Anti modern day basketball fans...Are they the equivalent of trumptards?

[apalisoc_9]

Same regurgitated nonsense

Kobe would score 50 every game
Steph is nothing
Giannis wont surive the 90s

Etc

I’d like to know why the NBA is the only sport in the world where fans cant accept the fact that players have naturally evolved to become better shooters, athletes, better Schemes etcs.

It seems universally accepted that there is a level of skill inporvement over the years in most if not all of sports

Except basketball.

[daslicer]

Same regurgitated nonsense

Kobe would score 50 every game
Steph is nothing
Giannis wont surive the 90s

Etc

I’d like to know why the NBA is the only sport in the world where fans cant accept the fact that players have naturally evolved to become better shooters, athletes, better Schemes etcs.

It seems universally accepted that there is a level of skill inporvement over the years in most if not all of sports

Except basketball.

:lol he would have the same success in the 90's that he's having right now.

[FrostKing]

The NFL also experienced massive rule changes. But the path to the Pros has remained the same. Little changes to the foundation.

NBA went from hardened urban street ballers forced to attend 2,3 years of College to today AAU kids that go straight to the pros.

I also think social media has had an immense mental effect on the NBA. 90s streetballers probably would have fallen even more victim to this but it didn't exist.

Ultimately I think fans prefer angry urban players over butt buddies from suburbia.

The International influx of players is a major and arguably only positive. Otherwise it is an entire Pro League filled by 13% of the population.

[Neo.]

Same regurgitated nonsense

Kobe would score 50 every game
Steph is nothing
Giannis wont surive the 90s

Etc

I’d like to know why the NBA is the only sport in the world where fans cant accept the fact that players have naturally evolved to become better shooters, athletes, better Schemes etcs.

It seems universally accepted that there is a level of skill inporvement over the years in most if not all of sports

Except basketball.

:clap

[daslicer]

The NFL also experienced massive rule changes. But the path to the Pros has remained the same. Little changes to the foundation.

NBA went from hardened urban street ballers forced to attend 2,3 years of College to today AAU kids that go straight to the pros.

I also think social media has had an immense mental effect on the NBA. 90s streetballers probably would have fallen even more victim to this but it didn't exist.

Ultimately I think fans prefer angry urban players over butt buddies from suburbia.

The International influx of players is a major and arguably only positive. Otherwise it is an entire Pro League filled by 13% of the population.

Do you feel todays White Euro's are better than 90's white American players like Majerle, Mark Price,Gugliotta,Tom Chambers or do you feel there are equal in value?

[FrostKing]

Do you feel todays White Euro's are better than 90's white American players like Majerle, Mark Price,Gugliotta,Tom Chambers or do you feel there are equal in value?
That is a great question. I'll have to think it over. What do you feel?

[daslicer]

That is a great question. I'll have to think it over. What do you feel?

It's hard for me to say. For example I think Mark Price would be better than Goran Dragic in today's league. Gugliotta would be about the same as Kevin Love. It gets tricky for me with Majerle, Chambers only because they could be potentially better under the current rule changes.

[lefty]

Do you feel todays White Euro's are better than 90's white American players like Majerle, Mark Price,Gugliotta,Tom Chambers or do you feel there are equal in value?

:lol Majerle was so overrated

[lefty]

It's hard for me to say. For example I think Mark Price would be better than Goran Dragic in today's league. Gugliotta would be about the same as Kevin Love. It gets tricky for me with Majerle, Chambers only because they could be potentially better under the current rule changes.

Price’s game would be great fit for today’s game, same goes for Bird
Shooting, passing, bbiq

[lefty]

What today’s NBA is lacking is real rivalries; those rivalries lead to great arena atmosphere; heck even during in the regular seaon there was a buzz prior to 2 rivals playing each other.

With AAU basketball the beat US players know each orher since they were kids so they naturally develop a friendship early on.

Back in the days, they didn’t get to be friends until towards the ens of their careers

Magic, Isiah and Aguirre go waiy back but still the competed hard against each other

[KobesAchilles]

I mean are they really more skilled? I know 90s ball was a mess offensively but that was really only in the Eastern Conference. The West has great offenses. but to me the cream of the crop of the 90s would destroy the cream of the crop of today (excluding Lebron). I mean I like Giannis but to me he is a worse version of David Robinson. Hakeem would dominate. Charles Barkley would devastate anybody guarding him. Pippen?

I also agree that guys today are better athletes but once again the cream of the crop is very comparable. Barkley was a hell of an athlete. There’s literally been nobody in the history of the game more athletic than David Robinson. Kevin Johnson was a great athlete. Kemp? To me if you ranked the top 5 athletes in the NBA, the 90s would have an equal share
1. Robinson
2. Lebron
3. Westbrook
4. Kemp/Griffin
5. Jordan

As far as skills go I think again they are even. I mean people make fun of Oakley and Rodman bc they were thugs who couldn’t shoot but wtf is Poetl for the Spurs? Dude couldn’t post up guards and score 6 feet from the basket. Players today are much better 3 point shooters, no doubt, but they don’t know how to post. They don’t know how to cut. They don’t know how to run any type of offense besides pick n roll. That’s literally the only play called all game. They stand in the exact same spot all game long.

I live in Houston, have you ever seen them play? Harden brings up the ball. Gordon is on the wing, not moving. Tucker in the corner not moving Cov on the other corner not moving and Westbrook just kinda watching and waiting for it to be his turn to bring the ball up court. That’s better offense? That’s better skill? To me that’s the definition of no talent offense. You guys suck so much that the only thing you are able to do is stand in this one spot all game long :lol

[Dirks_Finale]

They are better shooters today -- that's it.

With the rule changes and this overall PC culture, they are much softer than before. And that has also led to the lack of rivalries that lefty mentioned. Now they all want to run from the grind as Dame-Dolla so eloquently mentioned and team up with buddies. Even guys like Durant who once criticized Lebron for going to Miami, eventually do the same when the going gets tough. No heart.

Things in life often go full circle. So maybe times will change and the game will toughen up again. Would be great if that happened.


I mean are they really more skilled? I know 90s ball was a mess offensively but that was really only in the Eastern Conference. The West has great offenses. but to me the cream of the crop of the 90s would destroy the cream of the crop of today (excluding Lebron). I mean I like Giannis but to me he is a worse version of David Robinson. Hakeem would dominate. Charles Barkley would devastate anybody guarding him. Pippen?

I also agree that guys today are better athletes but once again the cream of the crop is very comparable. Barkley was a hell of an athlete. There’s literally been nobody in the history of the game more athletic than David Robinson. Kevin Johnson was a great athlete. Kemp? To me if you ranked the top 5 athletes in the NBA, the 90s would have an equal share
1. Robinson
2. Lebron
3. Westbrook
4. Kemp/Griffin
5. Jordan

As far as skills go I think again they are even. I mean people make fun of Oakley and Rodman bc they were thugs who couldn’t shoot but wtf is Poetl for the Spurs? Dude couldn’t post up guards and score 6 feet from the basket. Players today are much better 3 point shooters, no doubt, but they don’t know how to post. They don’t know how to cut. They don’t know how to run any type of offense besides pick n roll. That’s literally the only play called all game. They stand in the exact same spot all game long.

I live in Houston, have you ever seen them play? Harden brings up the ball. Gordon is on the wing, not moving. Tucker in the corner not moving Cov on the other corner not moving and Westbrook just kinda watching and waiting for it to be his turn to bring the ball up court. That’s better offense? That’s better skill? To me that’s the definition of no talent offense. You guys suck so much that the only thing you are able to do is stand in this one spot all game long :lol

[TDfan2007]

I mean are they really more skilled? I know 90s ball was a mess offensively but that was really only in the Eastern Conference. The West has great offenses. but to me the cream of the crop of the 90s would destroy the cream of the crop of today (excluding Lebron). I mean I like Giannis but to me he is a worse version of David Robinson. Hakeem would dominate. Charles Barkley would devastate anybody guarding him. Pippen?

I also agree that guys today are better athletes but once again the cream of the crop is very comparable. Barkley was a hell of an athlete. There’s literally been nobody in the history of the game more athletic than David Robinson. Kevin Johnson was a great athlete. Kemp? To me if you ranked the top 5 athletes in the NBA, the 90s would have an equal share
1. Robinson
2. Lebron
3. Westbrook
4. Kemp/Griffin
5. Jordan

As far as skills go I think again they are even. I mean people make fun of Oakley and Rodman bc they were thugs who couldn’t shoot but wtf is Poetl for the Spurs? Dude couldn’t post up guards and score 6 feet from the basket. Players today are much better 3 point shooters, no doubt, but they don’t know how to post. They don’t know how to cut. They don’t know how to run any type of offense besides pick n roll. That’s literally the only play called all game. They stand in the exact same spot all game long.

I live in Houston, have you ever seen them play? Harden brings up the ball. Gordon is on the wing, not moving. Tucker in the corner not moving Cov on the other corner not moving and Westbrook just kinda watching and waiting for it to be his turn to bring the ball up court. That’s better offense? That’s better skill? To me that’s the definition of no talent offense. You guys suck so much that the only thing you are able to do is stand in this one spot all game long :lol

This x 100000

Ball handling and 3 point shooting are better then ever, but post play, mid range shooting, and off ball play are gone. The game, and its star players, are less well rounded today, imo

[lefty]

I mean are they really more skilled? I know 90s ball was a mess offensively but that was really only in the Eastern Conference. The West has great offenses. but to me the cream of the crop of the 90s would destroy the cream of the crop of today (excluding Lebron). I mean I like Giannis but to me he is a worse version of David Robinson. Hakeem would dominate. Charles Barkley would devastate anybody guarding him. Pippen?

I also agree that guys today are better athletes but once again the cream of the crop is very comparable. Barkley was a hell of an athlete. There’s literally been nobody in the history of the game more athletic than David Robinson. Kevin Johnson was a great athlete. Kemp? To me if you ranked the top 5 athletes in the NBA, the 90s would have an equal share
1. Robinson
2. Lebron
3. Westbrook
4. Kemp/Griffin
5. Jordan

As far as skills go I think again they are even. I mean people make fun of Oakley and Rodman bc they were thugs who couldn’t shoot but wtf is Poetl for the Spurs? Dude couldn’t post up guards and score 6 feet from the basket. Players today are much better 3 point shooters, no doubt, but they don’t know how to post. They don’t know how to cut. They don’t know how to run any type of offense besides pick n roll. That’s literally the only play called all game. They stand in the exact same spot all game long.

I live in Houston, have you ever seen them play? Harden brings up the ball. Gordon is on the wing, not moving. Tucker in the corner not moving Cov on the other corner not moving and Westbrook just kinda watching and waiting for it to be his turn to bring the ball up court. That’s better offense? That’s better skill? To me that’s the definition of no talent offense. You guys suck so much that the only thing you are able to do is stand in this one spot all game long :lol
tbh there’s not much posting up this due to zone D
But guys like Jokic can post up

Also, Houston is a terrible exemple :lol
GSW have a beautiful offense

[Spurtacular]

OP is sh**. Par.

[Clipper Nation]

Back in the early-to-mid 2010s, I would have been laughing at the nostalgia-obsessed boomers too. But the league actually is getting worse now. It's devolved into a level of chucking and flopping that's every bit as unwatchable as '90s basketball at its worst.

How can anyone think this is a good product?

1298029922498166784

[lefty]

They are better shooters today -- that's it.

With the rule changes and this overall PC culture, they are much softer than before. And that has also led to the lack of rivalries that lefty mentioned. Now they all want to run from the grind as Dame-Dolla so eloquently mentioned and team up with buddies. Even guys like Durant who once criticized Lebron for going to Miami, eventually do the same when the going gets tough. No heart.

Things in life often go full circle. So maybe times will change and the game will toughen up again. Would be great if that happened.

To be fair, teaming up was a thing back in the days
It didn’t happen as much , but it happened.
The CBA/rules made it less possible, it it was more flexible they would have done it like they do it today

Magic said he would have played 1 more NCAA season if the Bulls drafted him instead of L.A
He admitted he wanted to play with the Lakers and specifically Kareem

Moses Malone signed as a free agent with the Sixers in 1982, as the defending 2 time MVP.
Malone was a top center who couldn’t win in Houston because the team wasn’t good enough, and the 76ers were the eternal contenders but couldn’t get over the hump.
Sounds like teaming up to me.

Shaq wanted to play with Penny after playing with him on the set of blue chips, so he pressured the Magic FO to trade for him on draft day : “Get it done”

The Pistons traded Dantley for Isiah’s friend, Aguirre
Pretty sure Isiah was behind the trade, even though he denies it

Tmac and Grant Hill teamed up in Orlando


Of course nothing is weaker than KD joining GSW :lol

[Dirks_Finale]

You left out Kobe who would have played in China before he played with the Charlotte Hornets :lol

You just saw less of it because of the CBA, as you say, and because rivilaries were more intense then.


To be fair, teaming up was a thing back in the days
It didn’t happen as much , but it happened.
The CBA/rules made it less possible, it it was more flexible they would have done it like they do it today

Magic said he would have played 1 more NCAA season if the Bulls drafted him instead of L.A
He admitted he wanted to play with the Lakers and specifically Kareem

Moses Malone signed as a free agent with the Sixers in 1982, as the defending 2 time MVP.
Malone was a top center who couldn’t win in Houston because the team wasn’t good enough, and the 76ers were the eternal contenders but couldn’t get over the hump.
Sounds like teaming up to me.

Shaq wanted to play with Penny after playing with him on the set of blue chips, so he pressured the Magic FO to trade for him on draft day : “Get it done”

The Pistons traded Dantley for Isiah’s friend, Aguirre
Pretty sure Isiah was behind the trade, even though he denies it

Tmac and Grant Hill teamed up in Orlando


Of course nothing is weaker than KD joining GSW :lol

[Dirks_Finale]

I wish they would move the three point line to near half court :lol

Basketball is such a one trick pony now.


Back in the early-to-mid 2010s, I would have been laughing at the nostalgia-obsessed boomers too. But the league actually is getting worse now. It's devolved into a level of chucking and flopping that's every bit as unwatchable as '90s basketball at its worst.

How can anyone think this is a good product?

1298029922498166784

[lefty]

You left out Kobe who would have played in China before he played with the Charlotte Hornets :lol

You just saw less of it because of the CBA, as you say, and because rivilaries were more intense then.

Damn I totally forgot about the Kobe trade :lol

Watch those highlights son, playoff rivalry at its best :

https://youtu.be/XbNXHJcxbjc

Everybody talks about Lakers vs Celtics, but Sixers vs Celtics was more intense

[Neo.]

This x 100000

Ball handling and 3 point shooting are better then ever, but post play, mid range shooting, and off ball play are gone. The game, and its star players, are less well rounded today, imo

tbh this is a major exaggeration, as there are plenty of good post players, mid range shooters, and off-ball players, and that is literally what has separated the very good teams from the champions of the past decade. plenty of teams have been built with comparable or even superior talent and rosters to championship teams like San Antonio, Miami, Golden State (before KD), Cleveland, and Toronto. but all those teams were able to combine elite 3-point shooting with good off-ball play, mid range shooting and post play better than other teams.

regardless, what difference does it make if there is less post play and mid range shooting, if they simply aren't as important or effective as they used to be? why would shaq need the footwork of olajuwon, if hes capable of being more effective than him with less moves? kobe clearly had more moves than mike, but does that make him a more effective post scorer than mike was? absolutely not, because mike didnt need all those extra, unnecessary moves.

i personally am in agreement that there is less post play and mid range shooting. thats obvious. but i also agree that the skill levels today are higher than they used to be, however not because every player knows how to do all kinds of skills. its just the skills they are good at, outweigh most other skills. lets not kid ourselves, its far more effective to have a team of 5 elite 3-point shooters with good ball handling skills who ignore the midrange game, than it would be to have 5 elite midrange shooters who like bully ball but struggle at shooting 3s and dribbling. it might not be what everyone enjoys watching, but its easily a more effective strategy. if no one is a threat from 3, and do all their work in the midrange and bullying in the paint, the defense can just pack the paint and provide help all over the place. but when you have 5 guys spaced out, all it takes is one misstep by a defender and the offensive player either has a wide open layup, or the help comes and its a kickout for a wide open 3, or a baseline dive for an easy layup/dunk.

the strategy may involve a lesser assortment of skills, but its pretty much indefensible. anyone who plays basketball in any kind of competitive setting knows how much more difficult and frustrating it is to defend teams like that. so its pretty obvious why its become such a common strategy in the NBA. and the teams that win championships in the NBA are ones who combine that, with some effective post play, mid range shooting, and off ball play. just because there are a few teams like houston that build and play the way they do, doesnt mean the entire league plays that way, and not a single team wins championships that way. thats what people who are still living in the 90s fail to see. they look at a team like houston, and think the whole league plays like they do. simply not true.

[daslicer]

I mean are they really more skilled? I know 90s ball was a mess offensively but that was really only in the Eastern Conference. The West has great offenses. but to me the cream of the crop of the 90s would destroy the cream of the crop of today (excluding Lebron). I mean I like Giannis but to me he is a worse version of David Robinson. Hakeem would dominate. Charles Barkley would devastate anybody guarding him. Pippen?

I also agree that guys today are better athletes but once again the cream of the crop is very comparable. Barkley was a hell of an athlete. There’s literally been nobody in the history of the game more athletic than David Robinson. Kevin Johnson was a great athlete. Kemp? To me if you ranked the top 5 athletes in the NBA, the 90s would have an equal share
1. Robinson
2. Lebron
3. Westbrook
4. Kemp/Griffin
5. Jordan

As far as skills go I think again they are even. I mean people make fun of Oakley and Rodman bc they were thugs who couldn’t shoot but wtf is Poetl for the Spurs? Dude couldn’t post up guards and score 6 feet from the basket. Players today are much better 3 point shooters, no doubt, but they don’t know how to post. They don’t know how to cut. They don’t know how to run any type of offense besides pick n roll. That’s literally the only play called all game. They stand in the exact same spot all game long.

I live in Houston, have you ever seen them play? Harden brings up the ball. Gordon is on the wing, not moving. Tucker in the corner not moving Cov on the other corner not moving and Westbrook just kinda watching and waiting for it to be his turn to bring the ball up court. That’s better offense? That’s better skill? To me that’s the definition of no talent offense. You guys suck so much that the only thing you are able to do is stand in this one spot all game long :lol

I would add Charlotte Hornets Larry Johnson on your list for athletes. He was a more in shape Zion with even better hops. Pippen was also super athletic. He had like a 40 inch vertical.

[lefty]

I would add Charlotte Hornets Larry Johnson on your list for athletes. He was a more in shape Zion with even better hops. Pippen was also super athletic. He had like a 40 inch vertical.

Wilkins
VC

[daslicer]

Wilkins
VC

Agreed

[TimDunkem]

Back in the early-to-mid 2010s, I would have been laughing at the nostalgia-obsessed boomers too. But the league actually is getting worse now. It's devolved into a level of chucking and flopping that's every bit as unwatchable as '90s basketball at its worst.

How can anyone think this is a good product?

1298029922498166784
I think they found a good medium between the late 90s to mid 00s, but no one was watching sadly.

[lefty]

tbh this is a major exaggeration, as there are plenty of good post players, mid range shooters, and off-ball players, and that is literally what has separated the very good teams from the champions of the past decade. plenty of teams have been built with comparable or even superior talent and rosters to championship teams like San Antonio, Miami, Golden State (before KD), Cleveland, and Toronto. but all those teams were able to combine elite 3-point shooting with good off-ball play, mid range shooting and post play better than other teams.

regardless, what difference does it make if there is less post play and mid range shooting, if they simply aren't as important or effective as they used to be? why would shaq need the footwork of olajuwon, if hes capable of being more effective than him with less moves? kobe clearly had more moves than mike, but does that make him a more effective post scorer than mike was? absolutely not, because mike didnt need all those extra, unnecessary moves.

i personally am in agreement that there is less post play and mid range shooting. thats obvious. but i also agree that the skill levels today are higher than they used to be, however not because every player knows how to do all kinds of skills. its just the skills they are good at, outweigh most other skills. lets not kid ourselves, its far more effective to have a team of 5 elite 3-point shooters with good ball handling skills who ignore the midrange game, than it would be to have 5 elite midrange shooters who like bully ball but struggle at shooting 3s and dribbling. it might not be what everyone enjoys watching, but its easily a more effective strategy. if no one is a threat from 3, and do all their work in the midrange and bullying in the paint, the defense can just pack the paint and provide help all over the place. but when you have 5 guys spaced out, all it takes is one misstep by a defender and the offensive player either has a wide open layup, or the help comes and its a kickout for a wide open 3, or a baseline dive for an easy layup/dunk.

the strategy may involve a lesser assortment of skills, but its pretty much indefensible. anyone who plays basketball in any kind of competitive setting knows how much more difficult and frustrating it is to defend teams like that. so its pretty obvious why its become such a common strategy in the NBA. and the teams that win championships in the NBA are ones who combine that, with some effective post play, mid range shooting, and off ball play. just because there are a few teams like houston that build and play the way they do, doesnt mean the entire league plays that way, and not a single team wins championships that way. thats what people who are still living in the 90s fail to see. they look at a team like houston, and think the whole league plays like they do. simply not true.

[Dirks_Finale]

I would add Charlotte Hornets Larry Johnson on your list for athletes. He was a more in shape Zion with even better hops. Pippen was also super athletic. He had like a 40 inch vertical.

Good take.

Grandmama was a beast with Charlotte. :tu

[TDfan2007]

tbh this is a major exaggeration, as there are plenty of good post players, mid range shooters, and off-ball players, and that is literally what has separated the very good teams from the champions of the past decade. plenty of teams have been built with comparable or even superior talent and rosters to championship teams like San Antonio, Miami, Golden State (before KD), Cleveland, and Toronto. but all those teams were able to combine elite 3-point shooting with good off-ball play, mid range shooting and post play better than other teams.

regardless, what difference does it make if there is less post play and mid range shooting, if they simply aren't as important or effective as they used to be? why would shaq need the footwork of olajuwon, if hes capable of being more effective than him with less moves? kobe clearly had more moves than mike, but does that make him a more effective post scorer than mike was? absolutely not, because mike didnt need all those extra, unnecessary moves.

i personally am in agreement that there is less post play and mid range shooting. thats obvious. but i also agree that the skill levels today are higher than they used to be, however not because every player knows how to do all kinds of skills. its just the skills they are good at, outweigh most other skills. lets not kid ourselves, its far more effective to have a team of 5 elite 3-point shooters with good ball handling skills who ignore the midrange game, than it would be to have 5 elite midrange shooters who like bully ball but struggle at shooting 3s and dribbling. it might not be what everyone enjoys watching, but its easily a more effective strategy. if no one is a threat from 3, and do all their work in the midrange and bullying in the paint, the defense can just pack the paint and provide help all over the place. but when you have 5 guys spaced out, all it takes is one misstep by a defender and the offensive player either has a wide open layup, or the help comes and its a kickout for a wide open 3, or a baseline dive for an easy layup/dunk.

the strategy may involve a lesser assortment of skills, but its pretty much indefensible. anyone who plays basketball in any kind of competitive setting knows how much more difficult and frustrating it is to defend teams like that. so its pretty obvious why its become such a common strategy in the NBA. and the teams that win championships in the NBA are ones who combine that, with some effective post play, mid range shooting, and off ball play. just because there are a few teams like houston that build and play the way they do, doesnt mean the entire league plays that way, and not a single team wins championships that way. thats what people who are still living in the 90s fail to see. they look at a team like houston, and think the whole league plays like they do. simply not true.

I agree that balance is key, but such balance is the exception rather than the norm. As you pointed out, if you look at the nba champions of the past, even this "new" NBA, they all had options for when the game slowed down. Kawhi, KD, LeBron, Timmy, Dirk. Guys who you can give the ball to in isolation to score when the outside shot isn't falling or when you want to give the defense a different look.

My point about the mid-range/post up offense is that most players/teams either don't have it, or don't know how to properly use it (ex. Sixers). What you see from most teams now is high pick and roll and lots of dribbling, with little action off ball. The truly elite teams do more, but they're in the minority.

Basketball is just much more fun to watch when there's variety, imo. I get why the league has transitioned the way it has, but I enjoy people scoring in a variety of ways, and to me hitting open 3s against lazy/non-existent rotations isn't exciting. Scoring against great defense is more fun to watch imo :shrug

[Neo.]

I agree that balance is key, but such balance is the exception rather than the norm. As you pointed out, if you look at the nba champions of the past, even this "new" NBA, they all had options for when the game slowed down. Kawhi, KD, LeBron, Timmy, Dirk. Guys who you can give the ball to in isolation to score when the outside shot isn't falling or when you want to give the defense a different look.

yes, and thats why there are usually only a small handful of true contenders every year, because so few teams truly have that. thats how its always been and always will be. nothing has changed.


My point about the mid-range/post up offense is that most players/teams either don't have it, or don't know how to properly use it (ex. Sixers). What you see from most teams now is high pick and roll and lots of dribbling, with little action off ball. The truly elite teams do more, but they're in the minority.

true and in the 90s, it was simply flip flopped. plenty of teams could score in the midrange and post as well as anyone, but didnt have the shooters/creators to give proper space and make defenses pay for camping in the paint.


Basketball is just much more fun to watch when there's variety, imo. I get why the league has transitioned the way it has, but I enjoy people scoring in a variety of ways, and to me hitting open 3s against lazy/non-existent rotations isn't exciting. Scoring against great defense is more fun to watch imo :shrug

i dont disagree that its more fun to see variety, and everyone is going to have their personal likes or dislikes. but the problem isn't that suddenly defenses got lazy and non-existent as people like to suggest. its that its simply much more difficult to play defense. one misstep, and its almost pointless to even bother trying because either an open 3, a layup, or a shooting foul has already been given up. theres just so little margin for error anymore. its much easier when a team only had maybe 1 legit threat to shoot, so every defender could just sag into the paint and provide help, because giving up wide open 3s simply weren't as big of a deal, when most players were struggling to shoot 33% even when most of the 3s were wide open, and 40% spot up shooters were considered shooting gods. nowadays, anything under 40% for spot up shooters is mediocre.

my personal opinion to fix this, is simply make the court larger and extend the 3pt line 1-2 feet.

[dbreiden83080]

Same regurgitated nonsense

Kobe would score 50 every game
Steph is nothing
Giannis wont surive the 90s

Etc

I’d like to know why the NBA is the only sport in the world where fans cant accept the fact that players have naturally evolved to become better shooters, athletes, better Schemes etcs.

It seems universally accepted that there is a level of skill inporvement over the years in most if not all of sports

Except basketball.

Because the game is wide open, allowing the skills to flourish. You got players being suspended for elbowing someone in the chest.. Morris foul is a love tap in 1987.. And I like Basketball today, and understand why they changed it.. Fans wants offense. But it's the rules more than the athlete..

[TDfan2007]

yes, and thats why there are usually only a small handful of true contenders every year, because so few teams truly have that. thats how its always been and always will be. nothing has changed.



true and in the 90s, it was simply flip flopped. plenty of teams could score in the midrange and post as well as anyone, but didnt have the shooters/creators to give proper space and make defenses pay for camping in the paint.



i dont disagree that its more fun to see variety, and everyone is going to have their personal likes or dislikes. but the problem isn't that suddenly defenses got lazy and non-existent as people like to suggest. its that its simply much more difficult to play defense. one misstep, and its almost pointless to even bother trying because either an open 3, a layup, or a shooting foul has already been given up. theres just so little margin for error anymore. its much easier when a team only had maybe 1 legit threat to shoot, so every defender could just sag into the paint and provide help, because giving up wide open 3s simply weren't as big of a deal, when most players were struggling to shoot 33% even when most of the 3s were wide open, and 40% spot up shooters were considered shooting gods. nowadays, anything under 40% for spot up shooters is mediocre.

my personal opinion to fix this, is simply make the court larger and extend the 3pt line 1-2 feet.

These are all very fair points. Eventually, players would even adjust to that extra distance though, until you hit some sort of physical wall with shot mechanics.

As for the defense, a good deal of it is effort (late or nonexistent rotations), and the fact that it's hard to make an offensive player uncomfortable now. I know when I play, scoring is infinitely harder against a physical defender who has his hand on you, especially if that guy has a solid base.