****OFFICIAL Week 2 Game Thread, Sponsored By Fake Offensive Pass Interference****

[Millennial_Messiah]

Herbert is actually good.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Ravens are the best team in the AFC, by far

but I could name at least 5 NFC teams they'd lose to, tbh. :lol

[Mark Celibate]

Late to the party...I guess if there's any silver lining there's atleast one difference between The Bot and McCarthy. That's a game the Cowboys would always come up short in during The Bot's tenure (or be on the other side of)

[AlexJones]

People think Mahomes is going to have a dynasty? Lamar Jackson will have something to say about that.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Is it fair to say that Murray is Russell Wilson 2.0?

[spurraider21]

herbert had been playing a good game, but threw a retarded INT deep down the middle when he could have walked for a first down

[DAF86]

Herbert is actually good.

I picked against the Chargers this week because I thought they were going to go one more week with Taylor. FML.

[DAF86]

but I could name at least 5 NFC teams they'd lose to, tbh. :lol

Nah. Chiefs and Ravens are clearly the best two teams in the entire NFL.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Houston sucks nuts this year. No playoffs for them.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Nah. Chiefs and Ravens are clearly the best two teams in the entire NFL.
I don't think so. Seahawks, 49ers (as long as they're not TOO unhealthy), Arizona, Green Bay, Saints, maybe even the Rams tbh (this year's version, not last year's) are better.

[Robz4000]

:lmao it never fails with the Chargers allowing a first down on a run on 3rd and forever

[Millennial_Messiah]

Wow, Mahomes is the GOAT. 3rd & 20 and he runs for 21.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao it never fails with the Chargers allowing a first down on a run on 3rd and forever

Oh yes, I remember. Ding ding fiddle, Ray Rice up the middle? :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Why kick from such a long distance? Why no Mahomes sneaks on 4th and short? I don't get it. Yeah he got hurt on a sneak last year but that was a fluke play. You can't coach the rest of his career taking the sneak out of the playbook just over 1 fluke injury.

The kick is going to miss and Reid is going to be crucified.

[Robz4000]

Is Butkeer the best kicker in the NFL not named Justin Tucker?

[Spurtacular]

:lol Keenan Allen didn't care about all the stoppages / setbacks. He knew it was coming.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol would have been good from 65

[Millennial_Messiah]

Is Butkeer the best kicker in the NFL not named Justin Tucker?

The butt kicker did it!

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Better believe SuperCam is gonna show up

[phxspurfan]

herbert had been playing a good game, but threw a retarded INT deep down the middle when he could have walked for a first down

Still better than :lol Tyrod Taylor :lol

[phxspurfan]

Is Butkeer the best kicker in the NFL not named Justin Tucker?

Young GZ my friend. Look at his new style onside kick today, before he won the game

[phxspurfan]

Houston sucks nuts this year. No playoffs for them.

Fuck Houston, seriously. They are the Matt Bonner of NFL teams. I was down by 20 and needed a basic performance by Mahomes and DHops to win, and bitch ass Houston let's my opponent's (Baltimore) defense drop like 20 on me.

[Robz4000]

I need Metcalf to go for 13 points tonight.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Dang havent seen Greg drop a pass like that ever

[Will Hunting]

I have a feeling that pick 6 is going to be the highlight of New England's night. Would love to see Cam prove me wrong though, if they win tonight I'll be pretty confident in them at least making the playoffs.

[DAF86]

Houston sucks nuts this year. No playoffs for them.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them, tbh. They had to face the two best teams in the NFL b2b to start the season.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I have a feeling that pick 6 is going to be the highlight of New England's night. Would love to see Cam prove me wrong though, if they win tonight I'll be pretty confident in them at least making the playoffs.

Agree. You guys need to stop hating the McCourtys, they do work. Nice token to James White, the multi time super bowl hero.

Seahawks are the better team, but Patriots might hang in.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them, tbh. They had to face the two best teams in the NFL b2b to start the season.

It's not just that. It's their game plan. They've been beat down badly both times, convincingly. They just don't have a playoff quality roster anymore.

[Will Hunting]

The fuckward replacing Marcus Cannon is terrible. This would be an elite offensive line with Cannon.

[Will Hunting]

:wow Harry being able to hold onto that

[Millennial_Messiah]

Diggs is a borderline pro bowl safety, so that's a huge loss. Good call but bad ejection tbh. He's not Adams but he's a huge part of that LOB 2.0. Without him Seattle's D is definitely worse.

[Will Hunting]

:lol Cam Newton sneaks are their best and only red zone offense.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Scam VS Struggle.... AKA the Clipper Nation bowl, tbh

[spurraider21]

:lol Cam Newton sneaks are their best and only red zone offense.
:lol sony michel fantasy owners

[Will Hunting]

Chase Winovich is a keeper, your prototypical OLB/DE in Belichick’s system.

[Millennial_Messiah]

The only major flaw the Seahawks have is Pete Carroll and his geriatric conservatard decision making.... that's a "go for it" situation all day, especially if you have Wilson and those weapons.

Punting and thus acquiescing to going down 21-7 is just plain stupid.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Chase Winovich is a keeper, your prototypical OLB/DE in Belichick’s system.
He's exactly like the other guy they had for like a decade with a similar name up until a couple years ago.

[Will Hunting]

He's exactly like the other guy they had for like a decade with a similar name up until a couple years ago.
You’re thinking of Ninkovich but I think Winovich’s ceiling is higher.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You’re thinking of Ninkovich but I think Winovich’s ceiling is higher.

Yep, but Ninkovich was a Boston legend / fan hero and also made big plays on special teams as well.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Is it weird that I no longer hate the Patriots nor the Buccaneers now? It was the combo that bothered me tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

So far, Lamb is out-performing Jerry Jeudy and Ruggs.

[DAF86]

I don't think I have ever seen a better deep ball than Wilsons, tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

No, Will Hunting, that was NOT Gilmore's fault. Gilmore was going up in man coverage against this generation's version of Calvin Johnson. It happens.

[Will Hunting]

I don't think I have ever seen a better deep ball than Wilsons, tbh.
Literally what I was about to post. Can’t think of a more accurate deep ball QB Ive watched.

[Robz4000]

Metcalf <3

[Millennial_Messiah]

It's unfair to Calvin Johnson that he only had Stafford who is good but not great and DK Megatron gets the great Russell Wilson.

[Millennial_Messiah]

That was good on Belichick to sign Damiere Byrd. He was arguably Cam's best receiver in 2017, the Panthers' last successful season.

[Will Hunting]

Newton looks fucking crisp so far.

[Millennial_Messiah]

oh, Folk is their kicker? Yeah they're going to miss the Polak tbh. Folk has always been garbage. Heck he was garbage with the Cowboys in 2007; how is he still in the league?

[DAF86]

What a horrible playcall on 3rd and 8.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Vinatieri is on the market. Him going back to the Pats and having a solid >80% season and retiring at the end of this year would be the perfect end to his great career.

[Millennial_Messiah]

What a horrible playcall on 3rd and 8.

Meh, if it had worked and converted it would have been looked at as smart, like Shanahan running Mostert for a touchdown on 3rd & 8.

[spurraider21]

Literally what I was about to post. Can’t think of a more accurate deep ball QB Ive watched.
ive been saying that since he was dropping bombs to Sidney "Larry Fitzgerald" Rice tbh

[spurraider21]

Chase Winovich is a keeper, your prototypical OLB/DE in Belichick’s system.
during last year's draft the guys over at PFF were pounding the table for him to be a 2nd round pick or even late first tbh

[Millennial_Messiah]

What happened to our Neo-Nazi rookie? Why the fuck is Nick Folk out there shanking kicks?

Rohrwasser the 5th round pick is on the practice squad, but I'm sure the BLM trend has something to do with him not getting the job, because Folk has been straight garbage for a decade and a half.

[Will Hunting]

ive been saying that since he was dropping bombs to Sidney "Larry Fitzgerald" Rice tbh
I was never going to admit he was good as long as Shitvante was on this site :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

ive been saying that since he was dropping bombs to Sidney "Larry Fitzgerald" Rice tbh

Ironically, that specific throw you're speaking of was the play that first made a name of Russell Wilson. Beating the Mighty Patriots on the last drive of the game with a deep bomb on 3rd down. 8 years ago. Damn, time flies.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Seahawks always seem to lead the league in most false starts even on their home field.

[Millennial_Messiah]

why didn't Belichick take a timeout after the sack? silly

[Millennial_Messiah]

Jamal "Kam Chancellor supreme" Adams

[spurraider21]

another wilson bomb

[Robz4000]

Amazing footwork by Moore there.

[Millennial_Messiah]

All this, and the Seahawks get Dorsett and Josh Gordon back soon. Imagine that.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Jamal Adams cant even shine Cam Newton’s shoes when it comes to legacy

[Millennial_Messiah]

Jamal Adams cant even shone Cam Newton’s shoes when it comes to legacy

what do they have to do with each other?

[Millennial_Messiah]

another wilson bomb

Underpaid.

Meanwhile mr. 40 Million dollar man just got trounced in back to back weeks and has been rendered relatively ineffective.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

what do they have to do with each other?
Cam practiced against Luke Kuechly every day. You think hes phased by that mental midget?

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol (S)cam

[spurraider21]

Jamal Adams cant even shine Cam Newton’s shoes when it comes to legacy
QBs have a pretty big leg up in general when it comes to recognition/legacy, so weird comp

adams has played 3 full seasons and is a 2x pro bowler, 2x all pro

[Millennial_Messiah]

Told you guys Dunbar is a beast. With Adams/Diggs anchoring safety (obviously Diggs got ejected for tonight's game) the Legion of Boom is back and better than ever. Even this Amadi guy has flashed very good in his Diggs' place. Hope Blair isn't hurt for too long.

[Robz4000]

:lol Cum

[Millennial_Messiah]

Told you guys the Seahawks are the best team in the NFL. That was why I was so high on the Falcons today. I think they're as good as in 2013 again.

Jon Schneider is a genius for bringing back Irvin and Mayowa from the championship team to shore up the edges, trade for the ultimate chess piece in Jamal Adams, and jettison the overpaid, overrated, underperforming and oft-injured Clowney. So smart.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

What a fuccin throw

suck on that Adams

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol How did Jamal Adams let a 34 year old 5'8" white guy beat him on a deep post? :wow

[spurraider21]

cam on the goal line... as unstoppable as he was in his prime

[Millennial_Messiah]

whelp, Adams got the last laugh of the drive on that two point failure.

[DAF86]

NFL defenses/defenders are incredibly retarded sometimes. NE sent just one guy on a route, it didn't cross somebody's mind to stay with that potential receiver? They just go blindly after the ball like a deer caught in headlights.

[spurraider21]

whelp, Adams got the last laugh of the drive on that two point failure.
:lol "last laugh" after giving up a TD

[DAF86]

Running on 3rd and 18 when you have arguably the best QB in the entire league :lol

This is why I can't get fully behind the Seahawks hype: Carroll's prehistoric game calling.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Newton gets his chance again. Played well all game except the 1 pick. Can he lead them all the way down?

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol "last laugh" after giving up a TD

To beat this new Patriots look offense, you have to just not let them inside the 10 yard line... you stand a pretty good chance between the 20s if you have any kind of a competent defense though. Seattle hasn't done a good job of getting off the field on 3rd downs tonight.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Running on 3rd and 18 when you have arguably the best QB in the entire league :lol

This is why I can't get fully behind the Seahawks hype: Carroll's prehistoric game calling.
Agree, but 3rd and 18 with that field position is dangerous in any case. The real problem is running on 1st and 20. That should NEVER be a run play.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Adams :toast

[Millennial_Messiah]

Seahawks need a strong TD drive here. No penalties, no dumb playcalling. Just #LetRussCook .

[KobesAchilles]

Russel Wilson is officially the best QB in football.

[DAF86]

Wilson positioning himself as the early MVP favourite.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Wilson just too damn good and smart for the rest of the league :hat

Perfect season if not for a stupid drop that became a pick 6 (100% the tight end's fault) so far for Russy.

[Millennial_Messiah]

When is Bill going to realize his mulletted Jesse Pinkman looking retard of a son can’t coach for shit, and bring in a real D-coordinator.

Never. The Nepotism is real. And they were #1 in the league last regular season so Belichick will always make sure that is world known.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Wilson positioning himself as the early MVP favourite.

I think Rodgers is #1 for now because of the lack of interceptions and same record/similar stats otherwise. Unfortunately Greg Olsen's stupid drop - pick 6 is going to count against Wilson's MVP chances.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Cam Newton is just too good

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Theyre giving Cam a chance

[DAF86]

I think Rodgers is #1 for now because of the lack of interceptions and same record/similar stats otherwise. Unfortunately Greg Olsen's stupid drop - pick 6 is going to count against Wilson's MVP chances.

Rodgers got a game managing win today. The stats aren't really all that close, tbh.

Wilson - 610 yds - 80% com - 9 TDs - 1 int

Rodgers - 584 yds - 67% com - 6 TDs - 0 int

[Robz4000]

Patrefs still a thing. Crazy since the Seacucks usually get these calls.

[DAF86]

They should have called a TO.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Edelman should have caught that

[Robz4000]

Cum just needs to :monkey his way in to win, he sure as shit isn't throwing a TD here.

[DAF86]

Damn, what a finish.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Seattle, you gonna stop Cam on this run?

[RD2191]

:corn:

[Isitjustme?]

Wow 1 yard line with 2 seconds to go. Cam is balling

[Robz4000]

:lmao Cum

[RD2191]

:lmao:lmao

[Robz4000]

Seattle, you gonna stop Cam on this run?

:lmao

[spurraider21]

THATS the last laugh

[RD2191]

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Isitjustme?]

he shouldnt have been in shotgun

[Millennial_Messiah]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great ending, perfect night :hat

[td4mvp2k]

:lol cum

[DAF86]

I knew they weren't going to get it. You can't do that everytime and expect defenses to still fall for it. They should have given Cam the chance to do it by either air or ground. Call a pass play and let Newton chose the best option.

[spurraider21]

Russ even fronted them a TD and still won

[Millennial_Messiah]

he shouldnt have been in shotgun

They should have run the Philly Special. Or just handed it to lynch

[Darth_Pelican]

lmao

[DC23]

What the hell was that. Never had a chance

[Millennial_Messiah]

Russ even fronted them a TD and still won

Greg Olsen fronted them the opening TD, sponsored by James White's dead parent(s)

[Millennial_Messiah]

I knew they weren't going to get it. You can't do that everytime and expect defenses to still fall for it. They should have given Cam the chance to do it by either air or ground. Call a pass play and let Newton chose the best option.

In all honestly that was a helluva performance, wire to wire, by Newton against a SB contender with a bunch of defensive playmakers. 30 points (really 23 by Newton with little help from the running backs) was excellent.

Every single Patriots-Seahawks game in the Wilson era going down to the 1 yard line on the last play.... that has to be some kind of sports statistical anomaly.

[SpursforSix]

They should have run the Philly Special. Or just handed it to lynch
Bend over, I’ll fucking run the Philly Special.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Newton accounted for 444 of the Patriots 464 yards. MVP

[Millennial_Messiah]

Newton accounted for 444 of the Patriots 464 yards. MVP

Agreed. Newton was a beast tonight. Patriots are winning the division. Buffalo is still trash. They'll lose to the Rams next weekend and will be quickly forgotten.

[Isitjustme?]

They should have run the Philly Special. Or just handed it to lynch

Should have either went quarterback sneak with a dive or jump over center or play action. They had a slick play action 1 yard touchdown pass earlier in the game but maybe the Seahawks would have been ready for it the second time but they could have run something similar play action wise

[Silver&Black]

Brady looks shot

Carolina looks 0-2

[DAF86]

Rodgers got a game managing win today. The stats aren't really all that close, tbh.

Wilson - 610 yds - 80% com - 9 TDs - 1 int

Rodgers - 584 yds - 67% com - 6 TDs - 0 int

Heck, I know you ain't gonna like this Millennial_Messiah but Josh Allen should be ahead of Rodgers in the MVP race right now.

Allen - 729 yds - 70% com - 6 TDs - 0 int

[DeadlyDynasty]

Heck, I know you ain't gonna like this Millennial_Messiah (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=50493) but Josh Allen should be ahead of Rodgers in the MVP race right now.

Allen - 729 yds - 70% com - 6 TDs - 0 int
And still clutch af in the 4th quarter, something he’s always been despite the crappy starts in the past. He only ran it 2-3 times today, but the biggest moment for me was when they were up 24-20 with 3 minutes left and a 3rd and 9 at midfield, dolphins had one timeout remaining. Easy run (or screen at the most) call, yet they trusted him to sling it for the kill shot. To me that’s the biggest indicator of QB success in this league: what your coaches trust you with on 3rd and long. Been watching the NFL for over 30 years, and that metric (for lack of a better word) never fails.

He will still make some stupid mistakes, especially against stiffer competition, but if you can’t see how he’s grown by leaps and bounds each year then your willfully ignorant.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Btw, Brandon Beane...make sure he never leaves Buffalo

[spurraider21]

Bills/Patriots matchups are gonna be great games this year tbh

Cam looks a lot better than I thought he was after being so banged up in recent years.

[DAF86]

The fuck is that shit doing there so close to the field?

[spurraider21]

the raiders front 4 is god awful. the ferrel pick already looks like a huge whiff and they made no other meaningful improvement. i dont hate maliek collins but he's not any better than maurice hurst already was, so it was lateral at best. lol marinelli

means we cant stop the run and brees gets a perfect pocket every time they decide to throw. at this point id just rather stack the box and take our chances against their passing game with thomas out. better than watching kamara run for 9 yards every time and setting up play-action

[DAF86]

The fuck was that Carr? Just throw the damn football. :lol

[spurraider21]

back to back coverage sacks... not a good look at all

long game incoming :lol

[spurraider21]

yeah, saints pass game is in shambles... the raiders need to stack the box. feels weird saying that against a brees led saints team but it is what it is

[Millennial_Messiah]

Heck, I know you ain't gonna like this Millennial_Messiah (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=50493) but Josh Allen should be ahead of Rodgers in the MVP race right now.

Allen - 729 yds - 70% com - 6 TDs - 0 int
Jets and Lawlphins effect tbh.

If he does the same thing and they beat the mighty Rams next week I'll eat some crow, but Trash Allen has done zero up to this point but stat pad on easy teams with lousy defenses and no pass rush.

[DAF86]

Jets and Lawlphins effect tbh.

If he does the same thing and they beat the mighty Rams next week I'll eat some crow, but Trash Allen has done zero up to this point but stat pad on easy teams with lousy defenses and no pass rush.

You had them losing both games though (or at least vs the Dolphins). :lol

[spurraider21]

dolphins have a pretty solid secondary though... Xavien Howard and Byron Jones

[spurraider21]

raiders getting gashed against the run, so naturally the big adjustment is to swap corners

[Millennial_Messiah]

If Cam stays healthy, the Patriots are for sure a playoff team, possibly winning the division. But that defense isn’t getting them to a Super Bowl. The secondary, yet again, is super overrated and totally dependent on forcing turnovers, which is a fluky way to win.
I mean Gilmore was defending pretty well in man coverage against a tight end with 4.3 speed and crazy athleticism that just so happens to play WR. McCourty got a pick 6. That's all you can ask. I agree the Patriots pass rush is atrocious except for maybe that young guy with the Slavic name (not Ninkovich, but the new one). And their LBs are obviously depleted considering their best opted out of the season and their next best 2 left in free agency. Losing Duron Harmon also hurt because he had an uncanny knack for the football that was outright bizarre.

Think about it... Cam put up 23 points (30 total for the Patriots) and over 400 yards without his only scatback (White), on the road against an above average defense (admittedly, with no fans). Look at how well he did with McCaffrey in '17, it's a position that Cam loves to exploit and he did so well without him. The Patriots offense will be very tough to stop this year.

The Patriots are the class of the AFC East; the Bills will be 8-8ish, and the Jets and Dolphins in the top 5-10 draft order running again.

[Millennial_Messiah]

dolphins have a pretty solid secondary though... Xavien Howard and Byron Jones
Byron Jones sucks ass. I saw just about every one of his snaps for 5 years. He had a grand total of 2 picks in FIVE YEARS, one of which was on a halftime hail mary from Jameis Winston and the other was off a D-Line deflected pass in garbage time against the Redskins. He doesn't even try to go for the ball. QBs aren't scared to throw his way because it'll either be a catch or incomplete. And he's a terrible tackler. Cowboys couldn't get rid of him fast enough. And they get a 3rd round comp pick for him. Sweet deal.

Howard is very good but overpaid and not a shut down corner. Heck, both of them are overpaid. They don't have a pass rush anymore. They don't really have LBs either. They stink.

[Millennial_Messiah]

raiders getting gashed against the run, so naturally the big adjustment is to swap corners
The New Orleans Saints are a fail-proof, well-oiled machine. The loss of Thomas doesn't hurt so much because of the system. They're not so talent-reliant as some other contenders. Similar to the 49ers, who will be just fine without Bosa, Mostert etc. Kittle and Dee Ford are coming back. They'll be fine.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You had them losing both games though (or at least vs the Dolphins). :lol
It was week 2. Some years the Dolphins are mediocre and win those types of home games; some years they are just bad. I didn't know. I guess the answer is "bad".

[Millennial_Messiah]

Lattimore, Jenkins, Jenkins, Williams... now THAT's a beastly secondary. And two of them are elite and way below market value.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol how is that a catch but not Dez? They're identical, :bang

[spurraider21]

:lol how is that a catch but not Dez? They're identical, :bang
that was nothing like the dez play :lol

[spurraider21]

raiders get the ball to start the 3rd quarter... defense pls

[Robz4000]

:lol Brees

[Pelicans78]

Bring in Winston!!

[spurraider21]

raiders get the ball to start the 3rd quarter... defense pls
they did a thing!

[Millennial_Messiah]

Brees with the 2015 Peyton Manning bads :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Bring in Winston!!
:lol says the guy who doesn't like his team throwing interceptions.

[spurraider21]

wtf? why call a run down the middle there just to burn your last timeout?

[Pelicans78]

Gruden gave that drive away with that 2nd down draw call.

[DAF86]

Decent game so far, tbh.

[spurraider21]

Gruden gave that drive away with that 2nd down draw call.
made no sense... just take 2 shots. or with a timeout remaining, can throw it short of the goal line down the middle or something. really bizarre waste of a play.

still, with how this game looked early on, a tie game + getting the ball back is as much as i could ask for

[spurraider21]

halftime show for a regular season game in an empty stadium is pretty :lol... but gotta admit, having them on a roof with a backdrop of the strip is a pretty cool visual

[DAF86]

How many more years do The Killers plan to keep living off that one song?

[spurraider21]

what a heart attack inducing goal line sequence

[spurraider21]

offense has been moving well last 4 drives, and havent hit a big play to Ruggs yet

[Millennial_Messiah]

How many more years do The Killers plan to keep living off that one song?
Meh

When You Were Young >>>> Mr. Brightside

[Millennial_Messiah]

offense has been moving well last 4 drives, and havent hit a big play to Ruggs yet
I don't think Ruggs is NFL ready yet. Maybe next year. A lot like John Ross his first year in Cincinnati

[DAF86]

AFC west is lowkey more than decent, tbh. Before the season everybody was talking about how the Chiefs had a cake-walk division but the Raiders are going toe to toe with the Saints (supposedly a NFC juggernaut), the Chargers have a great defense and, if Herbert is for real, watch out, and the Broncos are also very competitive despite having lost their first two games.

[spurraider21]

I don't think Ruggs is NFL ready yet. Maybe next year. A lot like John Ross his first year in Cincinnati
carr missed him on a deep ball early. he didnt have a ton of separation, but with a better throw could have come down with it. otherwise its mostly been decoys on fake jet sweeps

he's clearly nowhere near being a #1 receiver, but they can still make use of him better than they have

[DAF86]

Meh

When You Were Young >>>> Mr. Brightside

I have a couple songs I like from them, but everytime they play on an event like this they go to that one song.

[Millennial_Messiah]

there goes another likely ACL, like the 18th for week 2 alone. :( Saints' Hill likely gone for the long haul.

[spurraider21]

there goes another likely ACL, like the 18th for week 2 alone. :( Saints' Hill likely gone for the long haul.
not to be confused with taysom hill

[Millennial_Messiah]

AFC west is lowkey more than decent, tbh. Before the season everybody was talking about how the Chiefs had a cake-walk division but the Raiders are going toe to toe with the Saints (supposedly a NFC juggernaut), the Chargers have a great defense and, if Herbert is for real, watch out, and the Broncos are also very competitive despite having lost their first two games.
meh... with Miller lost for the year, WR1 Sutton just tore his ACL, even Lock (who is a backup grade QB in his own right) is going to miss time... the Donks are going 3-13 tbh.

The Chargers should absolutely play Herbert if they know what's best for them but their dumb coach is a black supremacist and already vowed to put back in Tyrod "Bus Driver" Taylor when he's medically cleared. Stupid.

[spurraider21]

the raiders arent in the chiefs stratosphere tbh

[Millennial_Messiah]

carr missed him on a deep ball early. he didnt have a ton of separation, but with a better throw could have come down with it. otherwise its mostly been decoys on fake jet sweeps

he's clearly nowhere near being a #1 receiver, but they can still make use of him better than they have
Should have drafted CD Lamb. Lamb is already a #1 receiver and very much NFL ready out of the box.

[spurraider21]

Should have drafted CD Lamb. Lamb is already a #1 receiver and very much NFL ready out of the box.
i said during the draft that i liked Lamb and Jeudy more than Ruggs... but Gruden envisions Ruggs as a weapon like Tyreek. like i said right after the pick, its really up to Gruden to make this work and justify the pick, because yeah Lamb and Jeudy are much more prototypical receivers that looked pro ready

Tyreek wasnt really a #1 receiver until years 2-3 either, but he also was converting from running back and not a first rounder

[Millennial_Messiah]

i said during the draft that i liked Lamb and Jeudy more than Ruggs... but Gruden envisions Ruggs as a weapon like Tyreek. like i said right after the pick, its really up to Gruden to make this work and justify the pick, because yeah Lamb and Jeudy are much more prototypical receivers that looked pro ready

Tyreek wasnt really a #1 receiver until years 2-3 either, but he also was converting from running back and not a first rounder
I think Jeudy is pretty good but Lamb really looks elite, and that's not homerism, it's actually unfortunate because he'll get well over 1000 yards this year and pad Prescott's stats and increase Prescott's price tag. I'm still hoping the Cowboys sell high on Prescott even if they win double digits and make the playoffs.

[Millennial_Messiah]

darren Waller is a different kind of animal... not very many actually successfully make the conversion from WR to TE without being a fat loafer who's only good for blocking.

IMO Waller is pretty similar to DK Metcalf with his size/speed/body type combo, though Metcalf's 4.3 > Waller's 4.45 but it's not too far off

[spurraider21]

I think Jeudy is pretty good but Lamb really looks elite, and that's not homerism, it's actually unfortunate because he'll get well over 1000 yards this year and pad Prescott's stats and increase Prescott's price tag. I'm still hoping the Cowboys sell high on Prescott even if they win double digits and make the playoffs.
lamb also gets to play alongside good starters in cooper and gallup, with a solid qb like Dak. Jeudy is all by himself with Sutton out, with an erratic Lock who is also now hurt

but yeah i had them 1A 1B

[DAF86]

the raiders arent in the chiefs stratosphere tbh

Of course not, but they are better than people gave them credit for before the season.

[spurraider21]

huge conversion there :tu

saints only had 1 possession that quarter, ended in a punt

[Millennial_Messiah]

lamb also gets to play alongside good starters in cooper and gallup, with a solid qb like Dak. Jeudy is all by himself with Sutton out, with an erratic Lock who is also now hurt

but yeah i had them 1A 1B
and they needed all 3 of them to make spectacular/clutch catches in order to even have a chance at the end, onside kick aside. :lol

Prescott didn't do anything particularly special. Tear up soft zones while losing on the score board, punch in QB runs in goal to go situations... he did nothing that Cam didn't do last night, tbh.

[spurraider21]

Of course not, but they are better than people gave them credit for before the season.
hard to blame them considering how miserable our defense has looked (at least in the first 6 quarters of the season)... but what i found odd was people sleeping on the raiders offense. they were still above average in yardage last year with no real receivers. people were talking about carr like he's a bottom 5 QB. he's in the average range

[DAF86]

That's the new millenum Raiders I was expecting, tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

why is Jalen Richard still on the team, and in any case in the game for a 3rd & 2 in plus territory over Jacobs? :lol

[spurraider21]

brutal

[spurraider21]

why is Jalen Richard still on the team, and in any case in the game for a 3rd & 2 in plus territory over Jacobs? :lol
jacobs was getting checked out by trainers, came off the field with a slight limp after his last play

[Millennial_Messiah]

hard to blame them considering how miserable our defense has looked (at least in the first 6 quarters of the season)... but what i found odd was people sleeping on the raiders offense. they were still above average in yardage last year with no real receivers. people were talking about carr like he's a bottom 5 QB. he's in the average range
Not me, tbh :toast

I had the Raiders 9-7 with a great offense and a bad defense, before the season started. Carr in the top half, over guys like Tannehill, Prescott and even Big Ben (not sure Big Ben isn't back to top 10 now imo).

[spurraider21]

That's the new millenum Raiders I was expecting, tbh.
by one of their longest tenured players no less

[Millennial_Messiah]

looks like no torn ACL for tight end Hill tbh.

[spurraider21]

if the saints score off that fumble and the game going down to the wire, burning 2 timeouts in the 3rd quarter can sting

[Millennial_Messiah]

if the saints score off that fumble and the game going down to the wire, burning 2 timeouts in the 3rd quarter can sting
If I were coach I'm always taking the delay of game if it's the 3rd quarter tbh. Golden rule.

[spurraider21]

prime fake punt territory

thought they'd pull some fuckery with tasyom hill

[Millennial_Messiah]

prime fake punt territory

thought they'd pull some fuckery with tasyom hill
:lol I remember the time they tried it with Morstead in 2014 and he ended up taking the sack. Cowboys won the game, by multiple scores.

[spurraider21]

still no jacobs in the game... hope this isnt a long term injury

[Millennial_Messiah]

Carr might be top ten honestly.

Carr > Prescott > Wentz... If that were Wentz on 3rd down, he might have hit the jumbotron on the slant instead of Renfrow.

[DAF86]

Poor dude doesn't know where he is. :lol

I love me some NFL, but there's no way I would have played it, or would have let my children play this shit.

[DAF86]

Payton wants to lose a timeout apparently.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Poor dude doesn't know where he is. :lol

I love me some NFL, but there's no way I would have played it, or would have let my children play this shit.
Meh

my daughter is gonna play high school tackle football with the boys. Ya gotta man up tbh :tu

[AlexJones]

Let's face it: Roethlisberger is the best old QB right now (far better than Brady/Brees)

[spurraider21]

weird challenge. pretty clear he was down and the ball only came out when it made contact with the ground

but that 3rd and 9 was a money down... came up big :tu

[DAF86]

Meh

my daughter is gonna play high school tackle football with the boys. Ya gotta man up tbh :tu

Fun sport to watch, I don't know how fun it would be to actually play it outside the QB position. You are just running around getting hit.

[DAF86]

still no jacobs in the game... hope this isnt a long term injury

Running Backs = minimal difference makers.

O-Line = real heroes.

**Edit: just as I was writing it.

[spurraider21]

toss sweep on 3rd and 10 for the TD :lmao

[DAF86]

Let's face it: Roethlisberger is the best old QB right now (far better than Brady/Brees)

Rodgers doesn't count as an old QB?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Let's face it: Roethlisberger is the best old QB right now (far better than Brady/Brees)
ummm Rodgers?

[GAustex]

Poor saints defensive effort

[AlexJones]

ummm Rodgers?

I don't consider him old just yet. He's 36

[spurraider21]

I don't consider him old just yet. He's 36
thats old. brady/brees are anomalies tbh, and rodgers' game is more based on athletic ability/raw talent than those guys

[Millennial_Messiah]

Fun sport to watch, I don't know how fun it would be to actually play it outside the QB position. You are just running around getting hit.
It's fun to play safety / slot corner and hit people... that was my high school football gig.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Dear announcer guy, it's okay to say Redskins if you're referencing 2017 :lol

[AlexJones]

If Drew Brees is the GOAT at one thing, it's lighting it up down 2 possessions.

[spurraider21]

if you're gonna play prevent, i get it, but gotta make them take more than 3 minutes to march down the field if you're gonna do that

[spurraider21]

Running Backs = minimal difference makers.

O-Line = real heroes.

**Edit: just as I was writing it.
only to an extent

[Millennial_Messiah]

that's a TERRIBLE call. you can't end the game with a shit ass call like that.

[DAF86]

Rugs making a difference without even needing to catch a ball. You always need a speedster in your roster.

[spurraider21]

easy call. grabbed him two separate times

[Millennial_Messiah]

If Drew Brees is the GOAT at one thing, it's lighting it up down 2 possessions.
not anymore... now it's Dak Prescott tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

unless it's egregious, someone gets tackled or hit in the head etc... refs gotta keep the yellow laundry in the hip pocket when the game is on the line. Ticky-tack, and Ruggs extended just as much as Gallup did against Ramsey tbh.

[AlexJones]

Realistically, Drew Brees at his peak was = 70% the player Aaron Rodgers was. 80% of the player Brady/Manning were.

[spurraider21]

unless it's egregious, someone gets tackled or hit in the head etc... refs gotta keep the yellow laundry in the hip pocket when the game is on the line. Ticky-tack, and Ruggs extended just as much as Gallup did against Ramsey tbh.
Gallup didnt get held twice :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

damn it, that's game.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Was hoping for a miss so we could see the Saints go down and score and go for 2 and win, like a reverse week 1 in 2016 in New Orleans tbh.

[AlexJones]

Absolutely pathetic stat padding by Brees

[Silver&Black]

Good looking out Raiders :tu

[spurraider21]

Running Backs = minimal difference makers.

O-Line = real heroes.

**Edit: just as I was writing it.
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[DeadlyDynasty]

AFC west is lowkey more than decent, tbh. Before the season everybody was talking about how the Chiefs had a cake-walk division but the Raiders are going toe to toe with the Saints (supposedly a NFC juggernaut), the Chargers have a great defense and, if Herbert is for real, watch out, and the Broncos are also very competitive despite having lost their first two games.
AFC South has been a pleasant surprise as well. Other than Houston (who had to play the 2 best teams in the AFC), they’ve all looked great (Titans) to competitive (Jags, Colts). Houston will turn it around once the schedule gets easier but they look punchless without Hopkins.

[Pelicans78]

Raiders clearly better tonight. Gruden and the offense outclassed Dennis Allen. Payton again goes away from the running game. And penalties.

[Pelicans78]

Absolutely pathetic stat padding by Brees

It was awful. Down by 10 and he’s throwing check downs. He has no arm left. Bench him.

[DAF86]

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I doubt that's too different from other RBs around the league.

[spurraider21]

I doubt that's too different from other RBs around the league.
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and that was after only playing 13 games last season