Would You Switch Political Parties for 1 Million Dollars?

[DMC]

For the rest of your life, you have to vote the other party but you get 1M dollars right now in return. Would you do it?

[Will Hunting]

Yes.

Really not much of a decision :lol

[ChumpDumper]

How would that be enforced with a secret ballot?

[Reck]

1 million per election cycle?

A one time payment really doesn't seem all that enticing.

Maybe 1Million, throw in a house and free healthcare.

[FrostKing]

Better question is you would need to defend in social gatherings and family holidays

[Spurtacular]

I don't have a party to switch, tbh.

[baseline bum]

LOL Derp another honest broker :rollin

[spurraider21]

How would that be enforced with a secret ballot?
i dont think the logistics are all that important in the hypothetical

[ChumpDumper]

I don't have a party to switch, tbh.Which Democrats have you voted for?

[spurraider21]

I don't have a party to switch, tbh.
i've always been registered with "no party preference" but for the sake of this hypothetical its pretty clear that you would take 1 million to always vote democrat and the opposite for me

[spurraider21]

Which Democrats have you voted for?
TULSI

[spurraider21]

DMC, is this just limited to how i vote at the ballot? can i still donate or advocate for my party of choice?

[hater]

:lol thats a no brainer as both parties are rightwing slaves to US olygarchy

[Will Hunting]

:lol thats a no brainer as both parties are rightwing slaves to US olygarchy
Yeah I would have had to actually think about it for a little bit if we have a real left wing here, but when shillary vs Trump or Biden v Trump as your usual options, it’s easy :lol

[FrostKing]

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190709102004-01-ross-perot-file-exlarge-169.jpg

[Spurtacular]

Which Democrats have you voted for?

Why? Would that make you feel better?

[Ef-man]

Why? Would that make you feel better?

Mentally incapacitated people cannot vote, so that is why derp does not vote.

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Why? Would that make you feel better?Because if you vote practically every time for Republicans, you're a de facto Republican.

I'm not registered to any party but I'm a de facto Democrat these days.

Which non-Republicans have you voted for in partisan races?

[Spurtacular]

Because if you vote practically every time for Republicans, you're a de facto Republican.

Well then, I guess I'm not de facto Republican.

[Spurtacular]

:lol thats a no brainer as both parties are rightwing slaves to US olygarchy

How are they "rightwing"?

[ChumpDumper]

Well then, I guess I'm not de facto Republican.

Which non-Republicans have you voted for in partisan races?

[koriwhat]

integrity... so no. i vote across party lines if need be. fuck the system and both pol wings.

[Spurtacular]

Which non-Republicans have you voted for in partisan races?

I'm not going to explicitly review my voting record with you. I did clarify that I don't fit your parameters of de facto republican.

How long have you been a Democrat for now?

[DMC]

DMC, is this just limited to how i vote at the ballot? can i still donate or advocate for my party of choice?

No, you switched parties.

[Spurtacular]

integrity... so no. i vote across party lines if need be. fuck the system and both pol wings.

I think it's fair to say that most people are more concerned with their own bottom line than the withering returns based on voting party.

I don't think there's one chumpette outside of Lite who would jump at the opportunity for the million bucks.

And even he would do it under certain terms if not outright.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not going to explicitly review my voting record with you.Name one.

[Spurtacular]

Name one.

We've been down this road before. I went over it with you already.

[hater]

How are they "rightwing"?

They cant even say healthcare for all outoud :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

We've been down this road before. I went over it with you already.You never named anyone.

Name one non-Republican you voted for in a partisan election.

[Spurtacular]

You never named anyone.

Name one non-Republican you voted for in a partisan election.

That's different from saying what party affiliations I voted for, philodumper.

[spurraider21]

its a difficult call. i want to believe that i'd say no...and maybe i'd be able to easily say no 20-30 years from now, but right now? def have to think about it

[Spurtacular]

They cant even say healthcare for all outoud :lmao

Pretty pathetic answer. I don't think any so-called rightwinger would tell you they relate to that.

[ChumpDumper]

That's different from saying what party affiliations I voted for, philodumper.All you have to do is name one non-Republican you voted for in a partisan election.

Or fold.

[Spurtacular]

its a difficult call. i want to believe that i'd say no...and maybe i'd be able to easily say no 20-30 years from now, but right now? def have to think about it

20-30 years from now, you'd likely only be more inclined to take the money because you'd be voting for the other guys in less elections and ultimately helping them less.

[spurraider21]

20-30 years from now, you'd likely only be more inclined to take the money because you'd be voting for the other guys in less elections and ultimately helping them less.
not really... in 20-30 years a million dollars might also mean a lot less to me than it does now (not referring to inflation, even if we adjust it)

[Spurtacular]

All you have to do is name one non-Republican you voted for in a partisan election.

Or fold.

You can comfort yourself all you want.

My congressman is Republican. I did not vote for him. That should make it clear that I'm not de facto republican by the definition you put forth.

[spurraider21]

You can comfort yourself all you want.

My congressman is Republican. I did not vote for him. That should make it clear that I'm not de facto republican by the definition you put forth.
did you vote for his opponent in the general election?

[Spurtacular]

not really... in 20-30 years a million dollars might also mean a lot less to me than it does now

If it was adjusted for inflation, it would be much easier imo, even if you were living a comfortable life.

The only exception might be if your livelihood was based on being politically vocal.

[spurraider21]

If it was adjusted for inflation, it would be much easier imo, even if you were living a comfortable life.

The only exception might be if your livelihood was based on being politically vocal.
i edited my quote, i'm even adjusting for inflation. an influx of cash would mean a lot less to me if i'm already somewhat well off and in a more stable financial condition that i'm in now

[Spurtacular]

did you vote for his opponent in the general election?

Yes.

[Spurtacular]

i edited my quote, i'm even adjusting for inflation. an influx of cash would mean a lot less to me if i'm already somewhat well off and in a more stable financial condition that i'm in now

If you would do it now, your lofty principles are not what you'd like to think they are and you'd likely do it down the road despite an achieved comfort. It's the human condition to look out for one's standard of living. If you're above it somehow, good on you I suppose. But I'm not sure being a quiet martyr achieves what you think it does.

[ChumpDumper]

You can comfort yourself all you want.

My congressman is Republican. I did not vote for him. That should make it clear that I'm not de facto republican by the definition you put forth.Which candidate did you vote for in that election?

"Libertarian":lmao

[Spurtacular]

Which candidate did you vote for in that election?

"Libertarian":lmao

I've already shat on your de facto republican narrative (again), so now you need to disregard and move on to your next tiny battle.

[ChumpDumper]

I've already shat on your de facto republican narrativeYou did not.

What was the affiliation of the candidate you voted for?

[Spurtacular]

i've always been registered with "no party preference" but for the sake of this hypothetical its pretty clear that you would take 1 million to always vote democrat and the opposite for me

Fair enough. I understand the dilemma. One is for comfort and one is for the ideal of freedom of will. You and I may be above it. Kori and Chris and TGY might be as well. But for the rest of the chumpette faction outside of you, not seeing it.

[Spurtacular]

You did not.

What was the affiliation of the candidate you voted for?

Sure I did. Review the transcript.

Question still pending. How long have you been registered Democrat now?

[ChumpDumper]

Sure I did.No.


What was the affiliation of the candidate you voted for?

[ChumpDumper]

Question still pending. How long have you been registered Democrat now?
I said I am NOT a registered Democrat.

You're an idiot.

[Spurtacular]

I said I am NOT a registered Democrat.

So you're just a de facto Democrat :tu

[Spurtacular]

No.


What was the affiliation of the candidate you voted for?

You moved the goalposts on this, derp. :lol

[spurraider21]

Because if you vote practically every time for Republicans, you're a de facto Republican.

I'm not registered to any party but I'm a de facto Democrat these days.

Which non-Republicans have you voted for in partisan races?


So you're just a de facto Democrat :tu
nothing gets by you

[FrostKing]

2015

voted 14 years Democrat. I was a good foot soldier and feet washer.

[ChumpDumper]

So you're just a de facto Democrat :tuYou admit you're an idiot.



You moved the goalposts on this, derp. :lolAnd you fold.

[ChumpDumper]

So you're just a de facto Democrat :tu


nothing gets by youHe learned the term from me.

[spurraider21]

20-30 years from now, you'd likely only be more inclined to take the money because you'd be voting for the other guys in less elections and ultimately helping them less.
nah. the money would be much more impactful to me now than it would be in 20-30 years (notwithstanding unforeseen catastrophic events)

[Spurtacular]

nah. the money would be much more impactful to me now than it would be in 20-30 years (notwithstanding unforeseen catastrophic events)

With inflation added, you'd be able to buy a couple houses, travel the world, invest big and make big. Not so sure about the "more impactful" analysis.

[Spurtacular]

He learned the term from me.

I knew the term well before you, derp. But it is painfully obvious that I was mirroring you, blakeblaker.

[ChumpDumper]

I knew the term well before you, derp. But it is painfully obvious that I was mirroring you, blakeblaker.:lol blatantly copying me and admitting it.

[Spurtacular]

:lol blatantly copying me and admitting it.

The fact remains that you're a de facto democrat by your definition.
The fact also remains that I'm not a de facto republican by your definition.

[ChumpDumper]

The fact remains that you're a de facto democrat by your definition.Since I explicitly said so, yes.

The fact also remains that I'm not a de facto republican by your definition.No, you never said what other party you have voted for.

Which other parties have you voted for in a partisan election?

[Reck]

Which other parties have you voted for in a partisan election?

I get a strong feeling derp is a libertarian voter by trade.

[Spurtacular]

No, you never said what other party you have voted for.

Don't have to. That's your own goalpost move.

[ChumpDumper]

Don't have to. That's your own goalpost move.You never voted for anyone but Republicans in partisan elections.

You are a de facto Republican.

[Spurtacular]

You never voted for anyone but Republicans in partisan elections.

You are a de facto Republican.

That's still a goalpost move. You'll just never learn to admit when you're wrong. Your psychopathy will never allow it. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

That's still a goalpost move.Nope. You always vote Republican in partisan elections.

[koriwhat]

That's still a goalpost move. You'll just never learn to admit when you're wrong. Your psychopathy will never allow it. :lol

i bet he thinks the same of me when i only ever voted in dems. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

i bet he thinks the same of me when i only ever voted in dems. :lolNo, I just think you're an angry racist.

[hater]

Pretty pathetic answer. I don't think any so-called rightwinger would tell you they relate to that.

Theyre afraid of any real social policies lol

We hqve 2 rightbwing parties. And have had it for a long time

[Spurtacular]

Theyre afraid of any real social policies lol

We hqve 2 rightbwing parties. And have had it for a long time

But somehow "rightwing" is big government?

The right/left paradigm has been shown to be bull shit designed to distract people. You're playing into it.

[hater]

But somehow "rightwing" is big government?

The right/left paradigm has been shown to be bull shit designed to distract people. You're playing into it.

Rightwing in terms of social policies

We are an oligarchy in economic terms

[Spurtacular]

Rightwing in terms of social policies


They're leftwing in terms of big government.

You see how you're deluding yourself?

[hater]

They're leftwing in terms of big government.

You see how you're deluding yourself?

Disagree 100%

They would be leftwing if the big government gave the $ to social policies.

They just give it back to oligarchs and military.

We are a militarized oligarchy with 2 rightwing parties. Pretty simple tbqh

[Spurtacular]

Disagree 100%

They would be leftwing if the big government gave the $ to social policies.

They just give it back to oligarchs and military.

We are a militarized oligarchy with 2 rightwing parties. Pretty simple tbqh

Right wing is less govt. You don't get to pick and choose if you're going to follow the spectrum analogy.

[spurraider21]

With inflation added, you'd be able to buy a couple houses, travel the world, invest big and make big. Not so sure about the "more impactful" analysis.
different times of my life. right now im fairly newly married, wife is in school, so we're on one income while paying grad school tuition out of pocket, paying off student loans, starter home, etc. a million bucks would go quite a long way right now (especially with aspirations to move back to Los Angeles once she's done with school).

20-30 years down the line, should be fairly more comfortable even factoring in kids, where i dont think our standard of living would really be swung with an influx of cash. obviously if something happens that prevents one or both of us earning what we think we should be able to, thats something i cant account for

[Bogie]

I'm not going to explicitly review my voting record with you. I did clarify that I don't fit your parameters of de facto republican.

How long have you been a Democrat for now?

you’re really dumb. Answer a question, which non republicans have you voted for? Just name one.

Here, when I lived in Iowa, I voted for chuck grassley because he voted against desert storm, back when he wasn’t a soulless valueless cocksucker.

[Bogie]

2015

voted 14 years Democrat. I was a good foot soldier and feet washer.


Poland has democratic and republican parties?

You’re so bad at this. You can’t even keep your lies straight

[hater]

Right wing is less govt. You don't get to pick and choose if you're going to follow the spectrum analogy.

It matters where the money is going. A monarchy is big government but most benefit goes to king.

Do you mean thats a l3ft wing government? :lol

[Spurtacular]

It matters where the money is going. A monarchy is big government but most benefit goes to king.

Do you mean thats a l3ft wing government? :lol

A monarchy is not right wing either.

[spurraider21]

A monarchy is not right wing either.
not inherently, at least. could easily have a right wing or left wing monarchy based on how the government functions and what the economic system looks like

[Spurtacular]

different times of my life. right now im fairly newly married, wife is in school, so we're on one income while paying grad school tuition out of pocket, paying off student loans, starter home, etc. a million bucks would go quite a long way right now (especially with aspirations to move back to Los Angeles once she's done with school).

20-30 years down the line, should be fairly more comfortable even factoring in kids, where i dont think our standard of living would really be swung with an influx of cash. obviously if something happens that prevents one or both of us earning what we think we should be able to, thats something i cant account for

And if it got 20-30 years down the line and you saw the political system / situation was the same as it ever was, where would be the motivation to not sell out?

[spurraider21]

And if it got 20-30 years down the line and you saw the political system / situation was the same as it ever was, where would be the motivation to not sell out?
barring another polar shift between the parties, im pretty convinced that republicans would still be more harmful than democrats even if the overarching systems in place dont change the way i'd like them to.

and as it stands, the major push to actually change those systems in a positive way are only coming from the left... a small wing in the democrat party

[Spurtacular]

not inherently, at least. could easily have a right wing or left wing monarchy based on how the government functions and what the economic system looks like

It's autocratic. By definition, that's far left.

[Spurtacular]

barring another polar shift between the parties, im pretty convinced that republicans would still be more harmful than democrats even if the overarching systems in place dont change the way i'd like them to.

and as it stands, the major push to actually change those systems in a positive way are only coming from the left... a small wing in the democrat party

But it wouldn't be about Repubs being more harmful. It'd be about whether your vote is worth 1 million 2020 dollars. TBH, I doubt you'll be believing in Democrats that strongly in 30 years.

[ChumpDumper]

It's autocratic. By definition, that's far left.:lmao

[Spurtacular]

:lmao

https://theobjectivestandard.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Political-Spectrum-Essentialized6.jpg

[Spurtacular]

https://theobjectivestandard.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Political-Spectrum-Essentialized6.jpg

The left has always been doing double takes.
TheGreatYacht

[ChumpDumper]

https://theobjectivestandard.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Political-Spectrum-Essentialized6.jpg:rollin "The Objective Standard"

"Ayn Rand's Philosophy Applied"

:lmao

[FrostKing]

Poland has democratic and republican parties?

You’re so bad at this. You can’t even keep your lies straight
We are more open minded. Facisicm, to hard Communism and now Socialist economy.

Polska will forever stand. I understand that angers you.

[spurraider21]

It's autocratic. By definition, that's far left.
thats not what left means :lol

[spurraider21]

imagine anarchy and fascism being considered to be on the same side of a political spectrum

if left is "autocratic by definition" then how the fuck do you reconcile that with anarchism being left

only thing that chart got right is modern liberalism being center and not left

[ChumpDumper]

imagine anarchy and fascism being considered to be on the same side of a political spectrum

if left is "autocratic by definition" then how the fuck do you reconcile that with anarchism being left

only thing that chart got right is modern liberalism being center and not leftThe website told him how to think.

[hater]

A monarchy is not right wing either.

Agree

[hater]

It's autocratic. By definition, that's far left.

:lol

[Spurtacular]

thats not what left means :lol

State control is left. Come to terms.

[ChumpDumper]

Come to muh Ayn Rand website's terms.

[spurraider21]

State control is left. Come to terms.
not at all

[FrostKing]

Poland booted out the Leftist. It is openly accepted by the public that liberals are challenging the well being of the Republic. We fought for our freedom and won't be giving it up anytime soon.

[hater]

Poland booted out the Leftist. It is openly accepted by the public that liberals are challenging the well being of the Republic. We fought for our freedom and won't be giving it up anytime soon.

Didnt Poland give up on day one of WW2?

[Spurtacular]

not at all

"Not at all", huh?

So Communists are right?

[Robz4000]

Do I have to pay taxes on it?

[spurraider21]

"Not at all", huh?

So Communists are right?
no, communism is not about state control. communism calls for the abolition of the state, so quite the opposite, actually

at this rate you're going to equate feudalism with socialism because the king owned everything :lol

[DMC]

Do I have to pay taxes on it?

no

[spurraider21]

arite to answer, if this just means i always vote republican, but otherwise can just disengage from politics altogether (no advocacy/donations either way), then i'd say yeah gimme the money now.

if i had to maintain my same level of political interest and just be a republican, then no. i dont think i'd be happy constantly lying about what i believe 24/7 and advocating for policies that i actually believe are harmful

[Robz4000]

arite to answer, if this just means i always vote republican, but otherwise can just disengage from politics altogether (no advocacy/donations either way), then i'd say yeah gimme the money now.

if i had to maintain my same level of political interest and just be a republican, then no. i dont think i'd be happy constantly lying about what i believe 24/7 and advocating for policies that i actually believe are harmful

This.

[Spurminator]

Nope.

[DMC]

So far there are two honest people here, me and DoK..err.. I mean Will Hunting.

[Will Hunting]

So far there are two honest people here, me and DoK..err.. I mean Will Hunting.
lol this thread going 5 pages and only having 2 votes

[spurraider21]

lol this thread going 5 pages and only having 2 votes
i gave my vote in my last comment

[DMC]

lol this thread going 5 pages and only having 2 votes

Everyone else is having an inner struggle. You being joo and me being a worthless POS, we have no qualms taking the money tbh

[DMC]

i gave my vote in my last comment

You gotta vote... salam

[spurraider21]

You gotta vote... salam
depends on which scenario is applicable to your poll


arite to answer, if this just means i always vote republican, but otherwise can just disengage from politics altogether (no advocacy/donations either way), then i'd say yeah gimme the money now.

if i had to maintain my same level of political interest and just be a republican, then no. i dont think i'd be happy constantly lying about what i believe 24/7 and advocating for policies that i actually believe are harmful

[baseline bum]

depends on which scenario is applicable to your poll

The poll says just to switch parties, so I guess I could just register Republican and still vote Democrat. While the question in the post says I just have to vote Republican. Either way I'd take the million.

[baseline bum]

Though to be honest I'd still vote Democrat after taking the money since it wouldn't be enforceable.

[Spurtacular]

no, communism is not about state control. communism calls for the abolition of the state, so quite the opposite, actually

at this rate you're going to equate feudalism with socialism because the king owned everything :lol

:lmao That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
:lmao The communists controlled everything.
:lmao The only things Lenin abolished was the Czar, his family, and freedom.

[Spurtacular]

Though to be honest I'd still vote Democrat after taking the money since it wouldn't be enforceable.

So, you're a shitty scammer / possible felon. No surprise there.

[baseline bum]

So, you're a shitty scammer / possible felon. No surprise there.

Lying about who I vote for being a felony :lmao

[spurraider21]

:lmao That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
:lmao The communists controlled everything.
:lmao The only things Lenin abolished was the Czar, his family, and freedom.
well yeah. the soviet union never became a communist society. lenin viewed the "dictatorship of the people" as a necessary transition state to communism, which never came. we've had this discussion before, derp

the left/right pull is fairly multifaceted but can generally be viewed through the lens of heirarchy/equity, nationalism/internationalism, traditionalism/reformism

[spurraider21]

Though to be honest I'd still vote Democrat after taking the money since it wouldn't be enforceable.
i think that goes against the spirit of the poll

[Spurtacular]

well yeah. the soviet union never became a communist society. lenin viewed the "dictatorship of the people" as a necessary transition state to communism, which never came. we've had this discussion before, derp

the left/right pull is fairly multifaceted but can generally be viewed through the lens of heirarchy/equity, nationalism/internationalism, traditionalism/reformism

No, it did. That's how it works every time. That's how every communist nation has operated, derp lite.

[Spurtacular]

Lying about who I vote for being a felony :lmao

Entering into a contract for a million dollars and not fulfilling it but taking the money.

[baseline bum]

i think that goes against the spirit of the poll

fine then I wouldn't vote democrat wgaf

[DMC]

The question is would you switch political parties, not would you lie about who you're voting for. Don't be a dipshit.

[ChumpDumper]

Entering into a contract for a million dollars and not fulfilling it but taking the money.How is that a felony?

[baseline bum]

The question is would you switch political parties, not would you lie about who you're voting for. Don't be a dipshit.

I'd still do it for $1 million either way

[DMC]

i think that goes against the spirit of the poll

You like the question. You think it's interesting.

[spurraider21]

No, it did. That's how it works every time. That's how every communist nation has operated, derp lite.
you cant have a communist nation if a communist society is by definition stateless

[baseline bum]

Entering into a contract for a million dollars and not fulfilling it but taking the money.

DMC never said I'd have to sign a contract.

[DMC]

I'd still do it for $1 million either way

Thank you, ain't mad at you

[spurraider21]

You like the question. You think it's interesting.
it is. its just worded fairly open-endedly hence my request for clarification

[DMC]

Jesus why all the mental gymnastics to try to get both the money and your preferred vote? You get one or the other. It's a hypothetical, don't be retarded.

[spurraider21]

Jesus why all the mental gymnastics to try to get both the money and your preferred vote? You get one or the other. It's a hypothetical, don't be retarded.
if its just my vote but doesnt require me to advocate for conservative views, then i'll cast my vote accordingly :tu

[Reck]

Jesus why all the mental gymnastics to try to get both the money and your preferred vote? You get one or the other. It's a hypothetical, don't be retarded.

Make sure to cash app it to me. You can send half for now.

[baseline bum]

How do I claim this on my taxes though?

[DMC]

if its just my vote but doesnt require me to advocate for conservative views, then i'll cast my vote accordingly :tu

You think it's interesting because people vote on what they think helps their pocketbook. If you're willing to sell your vote and allegiance for a better QoL, then that's basically short-cut to what you're trying to get by voting. The symbolic gestures of human rights and better world, etc.. are all fine and good if you have nothing at stake but put a million dollars there and suddenly these things take a back seat because you rationalize that your vote isn't going to make a difference anyhow.

It's interesting indeed and I am guilty as fuck.

[DMC]

How do I claim this on my taxes though?

Not taxed. 1 million clear

[baseline bum]

You think it's interesting because people vote on what they think helps their pocketbook. If you're willing to sell your vote and allegiance for a better QoL, then that's basically short-cut to what you're trying to get by voting. The symbolic gestures of human rights and better world, etc.. are all fine and good if you have nothing at stake but put a million dollars there and suddenly these things take a back seat because you rationalize that your vote isn't going to make a difference anyhow.

It's interesting indeed and I am guilty as fuck.

I mean I'd do it for $50,000 since I know my vote doesn't mean shit, especially in Texas.

[Reck]

I mean I'd do it for $50,000 since I know my vote doesn't mean shit, especially in Texas.

Another caveat should have been only swing state voters apply.

[spurraider21]

You think it's interesting because people vote on what they think helps their pocketbook. If you're willing to sell your vote and allegiance for a better QoL, then that's basically short-cut to what you're trying to get by voting. The symbolic gestures of human rights and better world, etc.. are all fine and good if you have nothing at stake but put a million dollars there and suddenly these things take a back seat because you rationalize that your vote isn't going to make a difference anyhow.

It's interesting indeed and I am guilty as fuck.
i think theres always a balance of self interest and broader principle. its why people might give to charity, but they're not going to donate 70% of their monthly income to those causes. when you skew the playing field so greatly in one direction, its hard to overlook. i also think broader advocacy and activism is a lot more valuable than a single vote. you could do it the other way too... have me switch parties, but instead of paying me a million, you guarantee that we have public universal healthcare and legitimate attempts to tackle climate change. id probably sell my vote for that also

[FrostKing]

Becoming difficult to get Liberal off the government Titty.

[Reck]

Becoming difficult to get Liberal off the government Titty.

It's actually the oposite.

[baseline bum]

Becoming difficult to get Liberal off the government Titty.

Sorry son, it's red states like Kentucky that are on the government teat, taking way more in benefits than they pay in taxes.

[DMC]

i think theres always a balance of self interest and broader principle. its why people might give to charity, but they're not going to donate 70% of their monthly income to those causes. when you skew the playing field so greatly in one direction, its hard to overlook. i also think broader advocacy and activism is a lot more valuable than a single vote. you could do it the other way too... have me switch parties, but instead of paying me a million, you guarantee that we have public universal healthcare and legitimate attempts to tackle climate change. id probably sell my vote for that also

But I didn't over an altruistic reward. That was intentional.

[spurraider21]

But I didn't over an altruistic reward. That was intentional.
right. i'm saying you can skew it either way (self interest or broad principle) to the point where you cant resist

[Winehole23]

For the rest of your life, you have to vote the other party but you get 1M dollars right now in return. Would you do it?I'm not for sale, except for work, by social media, and other contractual limitations.

I do not give a fuck about the money. Never have.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yes.

Really not much of a decision :lol
Exactly. I just have to make sure I don't live in a swing state or a potential swing state.

[DMC]

I'm not for sale, except for work, by social media, and other contractual limitations.

I do not give a fuck about the money. Never have.

How about 1 billion?

[Spurtacular]

DMC never said I'd have to sign a contract.

That your word is not your bond on something like that is so much better?

[Spurtacular]

you cant have a communist nation if a communist society is by definition stateless

USSR existed. Commie China exists. Your pie in the sky bull shit is quite immature.

[Winehole23]

How about 1 billion?For what, a mere promise?

No way.

Equities way too asymmetric to assume nothing would obtain beyond the intitial gift.



(It's old Germanic custom: gift requires countergift, the omission of which is a fault of respect and a loss of honor to the deprived.)

[Spurtacular]

How is that a felony?

You should consider taking a law class at the local college.

[Dirks_Finale]

How about 1 billion?


Nobody is turning that down :lol

[pgardn]

No party affiliation.
I lose.

[ChumpDumper]

You should consider taking a law class at the local college.derp folds

Not a felony.

[Spurtacular]

derp folds

Not a felony.

Scamming someone out of a million dollars could be a felonious act.

Typically the criminal courts don't get involved in contractual matters though.

[ChumpDumper]

Scamming someone out of a million dollars could be a felonious act.

Typically the criminal courts don't get involved in contract law matters though.Not a felony.

[Spurtacular]

Not a felony.

Keep telling yourself that.

[ChumpDumper]

Keep telling yourself that.Prove your claim.

Or fold.

[spurraider21]

USSR existed. Commie China exists. Your pie in the sky bull shit is quite immature.
your "anything i dont like is left wing therefore left wing is bad" shtick is immature.

neither the USSR nor Maoist China were communist societies. they had communist parties, both of which either failed or did not attempt to establish a communist society

[SnakeBoy]

your "anything i dont like is left wing therefore left wing is bad" shtick is immature.

neither the USSR nor Maoist China were communist societies. they had communist parties, both of which either failed or did not attempt to establish a communist society

What's your real world example of a communist society?

[Spurminator]

What's your real world example of a communist society?

Barack Obama's America.

[spurraider21]

What's your real world example of a communist society?
a society that has abolished money/capital, class, and the state? im not aware of any

we've had authoritarian socialist states though. obviously everybody on ST understands that communism and socialism arent synonyms

[DMC]

For what, a mere promise?

No way.

Equities way too asymmetric to assume nothing would obtain beyond the intitial gift.



(It's old Germanic custom: gift requires countergift, the omission of which is a fault of respect and a loss of honor to the deprived.)

It's a simple proposition. Why do people want to tack on caveats then answer? :lol

[Spurtacular]

Prove your claim.

Or fold.

No.

It should tell you something that lawyer lite hasn't jumped in to tell me I'm wrong.

Now run along, BlakeBlaker.

[ChumpDumper]

No.

It should tell you something that lawyer lite hasn't jumped in to tell me I'm wrong.

Now run along, BlakeBlaker.drep folds

You know you're wrong.

[Spurtacular]

your "anything i dont like is left wing therefore left wing is bad" shtick is immature.

neither the USSR nor Maoist China were communist societies. they had communist parties, both of which either failed or did not attempt to establish a communist society

They showed you what communists are. As did Castro. As did Eastern Europe. You're pretending they just didn't do it right is immature.

[spurraider21]

They showed you what communists are. As did Castro. As did Eastern Europe. You're pretending they just didn't do it right is immature.
you're just showing you dont know what communism is

pick up a book

[Spurtacular]

you're just showing you dont know what communism is

pick up a book

I'm sure it's nice pie in the sky and I can read all about it.

[SnakeBoy]

a society that has abolished money/capital, class, and the state? im not aware of any


Okay I get where you're coming from, true communism is a society that has never and will never exist.



we've had authoritarian socialist states though. obviously everybody on ST understands that communism and socialism arent synonyms

Authoritarianism is the ultimate result of both forms of government so in a practical sense they are synonymous

[Winehole23]

It's a simple proposition. Why do people want to tack on caveats then answer? :lolNothing is that simple.

Even if it were, my answer would be no.

[spurraider21]

Okay I get where you're coming from, true communism is a society that has never and will never exist.
correct as to "has never" and almost certainly correct as to "will never"


Authoritarianism is the ultimate result of both forms of government so in a practical sense they are synonymous
this makes no sense.

how is authoritarianism the ultimate result of communism? (setting aside socialism for second)

how would a stateless/classless/monie-less society have authoritarianism as the ultimate result?

i get it bro, you just want to reflexively say left wing things bad.. but its usually a little more complicated than that

[spurraider21]

I'm sure it's nice pie in the sky and I can read all about it.
might actually inform you about the subject

[tholdren]

lol people have a party


Lololooloookooloool
Dumb

[FrostKing]

Ron Paul tbh

[DMC]

Nothing is that simple.

Even if it were, my answer would be no.

The proposition wasn't a sales pitch. X for Y is simple. You feel the need to infer X for Y with Z as an unknown. You changed the narrative to avoid the question.

So your party membership and vote are worth more than saving countless struggling families? You could do a lot of altruistic shit with 1 billion.

[Will Hunting]

The proposition wasn't a sales pitch. X for Y is simple. You feel the need to infer X for Y with Z as an unknown. You changed the narrative to avoid the question.

So your party membership and vote are worth more than saving countless struggling families? You could do a lot of altruistic shit with 1 billion.
Yeah once you reach the billionaires club you’d be able to have influence over either party so it’s not even a real question anymore. If got a billion dollars in exchange for never being able to vote Democrat or in any way support another Democratic candidate pretty sure I’d still be able to bankroll the campaign for several “Republicans” who had a liberal agenda.

[Winehole23]

The proposition wasn't a sales pitch. X for Y is simple. You feel the need to infer X for Y with Z as an unknown. You changed the narrative to avoid the question.

So your party membership and vote are worth more than saving countless struggling families? You could do a lot of altruistic shit with 1 billion.I never have been a member of a political party. I've voted for both Republican and Democratic Presidents.

I reject your bullshit proposition in all its forms, how's that? I'm not going to sell my vote for money, period.

[Spurminator]

If you're relatively young, a million dollars isn't enough to fundamentally and permanently change your lifestyle. So if you're generally happy with your lifestyle and secure in your beliefs, I don't see why you'd compromise the latter for a million bucks.

A billion dollars would obviously be life changing but the downside is that now you're talking about impacting your actual legacy. Whereas no one notices a millionaire Republican, the billionaire Republican leaves a shit stain that his children and grandchildren have to live with. (Or they just become shitty, spoiled rich kids with no morals.)

I wouldn't do it for any less than $20 million. Then I'd put my efforts behind supporting Republicans who stay out of social wedge issues and reject the Trumpist style of disinformation strategy.

[lefty]

OP sucks at negotiating tbh

[baseline bum]

If you're relatively young, a million dollars isn't enough to fundamentally and permanently change your lifestyle. So if you're generally happy with your lifestyle and secure in your beliefs, I don't see why you'd compromise the latter for a million bucks.

A billion dollars would obviously be life changing but the downside is that now you're talking about impacting your actual legacy. Whereas no one notices a millionaire Republican, the billionaire Republican leaves a shit stain that his children and grandchildren have to live with. (Or they just become shitty, spoiled rich kids with no morals.)

I wouldn't do it for any less than $20 million. Then I'd put my efforts behind supporting Republicans who stay out of social wedge issues and reject the Trumpist style of disinformation strategy.

How is having a million dollars when you're young not going to fundamentally change your lifestyle? Means you could have a house with no mortgage and put the rest in an index fund for retirement, leaving you a lot more spending money out of each paycheck or even the security to try to start your own business when you don't have a mortgage hanging over your head.

[Will Hunting]

How is having a million dollars when you're young not going to fundamentally change your lifestyle? Means you could have a house with no mortgage and put the rest in an index fund for retirement, leaving you a lot more spending money out of each paycheck or even the security to try to start your own business when you don't have a mortgage hanging over your head.
yeah exactly. If I had a million right now I'd put it in a fund and wouldn't really have to worry about saving anything after that.

[rmt]

Wow - some of you are so PRINCIPLED :-) especially assuming that most of you live in TX and your vote really doesn't count. I'd take the money if all I had to do was vote Democrat. It really wouldn't make a difference in FL (even in 2000), and I could still campaign for Republicans - which likely would result in more Rep votes than mine.

[rmt]

So why hasn't any of you who wouldn't sell your vote - not answer the poll?

[hater]

Wow - some of you are so PRINCIPLED :-) especially assuming that most of you live in TX and your vote really doesn't count. I'd take the money if all I had to do was vote Democrat. It really wouldn't make a difference in FL (even in 2000), and I could still campaign for Republicans - which likely would result in more Rep votes than mine.

They are full of shit

Most here would sell their sisters for 10k :lol

[baseline bum]

They are full of shit

Most here would sell their sisters for 10k :lol

Your sister thick?

[Reck]

Your sister thick?

The wrong kind of thick.

[spurraider21]

Wow - some of you are so PRINCIPLED :-) especially assuming that most of you live in TX and your vote really doesn't count. I'd take the money if all I had to do was vote Democrat. It really wouldn't make a difference in FL (even in 2000), and I could still campaign for Republicans - which likely would result in more Rep votes than mine.
that wasn't allowed according to DMC


DMC, is this just limited to how i vote at the ballot? can i still donate or advocate for my party of choice?

No, you switched parties.

[Spurtacular]

I never have been a member of a political party. I've voted for both Republican and Democratic Presidents.

I reject your bullshit proposition in all its forms, how's that? I'm not going to sell my vote for money, period.

You're a Democrat. Come to terms.

[Ef-man]

You're a Democrat. Come to terms.

You are a derp. Answer my question.

[Winehole23]

You're a Democrat. Come to terms.I'm not doctrinaire, deal with it.

[spurraider21]

I'm not doctrinaire, deal with it.
i think for the purpose of the hypothetical the clear inference would be that you would commit to always voting republican in exchange for the cash, taking away the concern of "am i actually going to get paid or stood up."

[Spurtacular]

I'm not doctrinaire, deal with it.

You're a Democrat no matter what spin you want to put on it.

Come to terms.

[Spurtacular]

i think for the purpose of the hypothetical the clear inference would be that you would commit to always voting republican in exchange for the cash, taking away the concern of "am i actually going to get paid or stood up."

I'm not even doing purposes of discussion. This guy is in full denial. In the past he's actually called himself a conservative. :lol

[spurraider21]

You're a Democrat no matter what spin you want to put on it.

Come to terms.
by extension you'd come to terms with being a Republican no matter what spin you want to put on it?

[Spurtacular]

by extension you'd come to terms with being a Republican no matter what spin you want to put on it?

You're as bad as Chump, seeking out tiny w's. For purposes of discussion I conceded that point to you directly on like page one.

[Winehole23]

You're a Democrat no matter what spin you want to put on it.I disagree, you just like to kick everyone who disagrees with you into the same ditch so you can piss on all their heads at once.

[spurraider21]

I'm not even doing purposes of discussion. This guy is in full denial. In the past he's actually called himself a conservative. :lol
he's not a big fan of democrats either, and he's made that clear with his criticisms of liberals like obama, etc. i dont think he's necessarily being dishonest.

but if im remembering right he's said that as long as the modern republicans are going to be as batshit and heartless as they are, that voting them out is the #1 priority right now, so within that framing, and for the purpose of this exercise, i dont think its a stretch to think that the assumption is he'd vote for these republicans in exchange for the money

[Spurtacular]

I disagree, you just like to kick everyone who disagrees with you into the same ditch so you can piss on all their heads at once.

You're a team player at the end of the day. You think you're independent cos you try to cry about stuff in the margins while pulling your punches. You're no less deluded than anyone on here, tbh.

[Winehole23]

You're a team player at the end of the day. You think you're independent cos you try to cry about stuff in the margins while pulling your punches. You're no less deluded than anyone on here, tbh.Dude, you can't even explain what you're saying most of the time. Your authority to gloss others is nugatory.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I switched for free almost 10 years ago so sure write me a check and I’m on my way

[Spurtacular]

he's not a big fan of democrats either, and he's made that clear with his criticisms of liberals like obama, etc. i dont think he's necessarily being dishonest.

but if im remembering right he's said that as long as the modern republicans are going to be as batshit and heartless as they are, that voting them out is the #1 priority right now, so within that framing, and for the purpose of this exercise, i dont think its a stretch to think that the assumption is he'd vote for these republicans in exchange for the money

He's a huge fan of the democrats. He loves smoke screens to try and grant himself a fake autonomy. Yea, he gave you the democrat line about heartless repubs, same as chump. Even the pscyhopath has come more to terms with his party affiliation more than blakehole.

[Spurtacular]

If you're relatively young, a million dollars isn't enough to fundamentally and permanently change your lifestyle. So if you're generally happy with your lifestyle and secure in your beliefs, I don't see why you'd compromise the latter for a million bucks.

You've been reading too many mag articles and/or reddit posts designed to make you feel better about your shitty station, Sadbert.
A million dollars is a gamechanger.

[rmt]

that wasn't allowed according to DMC




I'd still take the money. I don't know about you guys but I can do a lot of things - religion-wise, setting up kids, charity wise - with a million dollars tax-free. It's PRACTICAL to take the money and idealistic to think that one single vote/switch of party can change anything - not that I look to politics to change anything - imo, that's mostly up to the individual.

[Bogie]

So why hasn't any of you who wouldn't sell your vote - not answer the poll?


yes but you’re a really ignorant awful person with no principles or character

like all the rest of you, the world will be a better place without you in it.

[rmt]

yes but you’re a really ignorant awful person with no principles or character

like all the rest of you, the world will be a better place without you in it.

I could walk past you on the street, and you wouldn't know me from Eve. Whatever adjective/description of me you spout is more a reflection of YOU than of me. BUT I don't think you're Bonnerific.

[Spurminator]

How is having a million dollars when you're young not going to fundamentally change your lifestyle? Means you could have a house with no mortgage and put the rest in an index fund for retirement, leaving you a lot more spending money out of each paycheck or even the security to try to start your own business when you don't have a mortgage hanging over your head.

Probably shouldn't have said "relatively young" because a million dollars is obviously more of a difference maker for a 23 year old than a 40-something who (like I said) is generally content with his lifestyle.

If you're already putting enough into savings for retirement after expenses and you're happy with your home situation, you'd just be selling out your convictions for a bigger retirement that you may not need. Not worth it, IMO.

[DMC]

1M is a difference maker for anyone working normal 8-5 jobs. If you're making 300K a year, the 1M probably changes nothing (unless you're in debt to the Russian mob), but for the person who cannot live a year unemployed without losing their shit, it would make a difference.

But name your price, we already know what you are, so we're just haggling over the price now. :lol

So far all 8 voters have illustrated they do not believe their vote means much, nor their support. That's why we have a 2 party system with shit for candidates and a low voter turnout.

[spurraider21]

1M is a difference maker for anyone working normal 8-5 jobs. If you're making 300K a year, the 1M probably changes nothing (unless you're in debt to the Russian mob), but for the person who cannot live a year unemployed without losing their shit, it would make a difference.

But name your price, we already know what you are, so we're just haggling over the price now. :lol

So far all 8 voters have illustrated they do not believe their vote means much, nor their support. That's why we have a 2 party system with shit for candidates and a low voter turnout.
not true. that only works if you think a million dollar cash payment is "not much"

depending on where you are in your life and what your financial condition looks like, that may or may not be true. certainly isn't true for me now. the plan is that it will be true some time down the road, at which point my vote would be different, as i stated.

i completely reject any notion that a life-altering sum of money is "not much."

[Bogie]

I could walk past you on the street, and you wouldn't know me from Eve. Whatever adjective/description of me you spout is more a reflection of YOU than of me. BUT I don't think you're Bonnerific.

It’s not a reflection of me. It’s defining you for the nonsense you post on here. You can try to play the old lady schtick all you want, but to support what you support makes you everything I said.

and trumpers are too proud of being dumb and racist to hide who they are. You would be incredibly easy to spot.

[Spurtacular]

Oh, look. Chump is voting present. So are his butt lickers. :lol

[DMC]

not true. that only works if you think a million dollar cash payment is "not much"

depending on where you are in your life and what your financial condition looks like, that may or may not be true. certainly isn't true for me now. the plan is that it will be true some time down the road, at which point my vote would be different, as i stated.

i completely reject any notion that a life-altering sum of money is "not much."


"much" meaning more than monetary gain. Like freedom itself, I wouldn't get into an agreement like a marriage for money, I don't care how much it's for... private jets and all that shit is great but being miserable is being miserable. I don't need that much to enjoy life.

[Spurminator]

But name your price, we already know what you are, so we're just haggling over the price now. :lol

Already did. $20 million.

[DMC]

Already did. $20 million.

Ok so you'd sell your vote and party loyalty for 20 million.

[Spurtacular]

Ok so you'd sell your vote and party loyalty for 20 million.

Sadbert would sell it for way less than that.
Outside of Lite and maybe Will, I don't think there is a chumpette here who wouldn't sell it for a down payment on a starter home.

[Spurminator]

Ok so you'd sell your vote and party loyalty for 20 million.

Sure.

[SnakeBoy]

I'd gladly give Dems my one vote in Texas for a million dollars. Fuck it $10k it's yours.

[ElNono]

Soros pays better to just stuff ballot boxes, tbh...

[Spurtacular]

Soros pays better to just stuff ballot boxes, tbh...

Better than a million? Not likely. But probably in the ballpark of $50K-$250K.

[spurraider21]

"much" meaning more than monetary gain. Like freedom itself, I wouldn't get into an agreement like a marriage for money, I don't care how much it's for... private jets and all that shit is great but being miserable is being miserable. I don't need that much to enjoy life.
a) but it depends how much monetary gain. $20 wouldn't be a much. a billion would be a lot.

b) a vote in a general election isn't at all comparable to a marriage because its not likely to sway the outcome.

i could change my votes for money and we would still likely have all the same electoral outcomes anyway... whereas a marriage for money would certainly change my outcomes.

[DMC]

a) but it depends how much monetary gain. $20 wouldn't be a much. a billion would be a lot.

b) a vote in a general election isn't at all comparable to a marriage because its not likely to sway the outcome.

i could change my votes for money and we would still likely have all the same electoral outcomes anyway... whereas a marriage for money would certainly change my outcomes.

Which illustrates my point, not worth much.

[spurraider21]

Which illustrates my point, not worth much.
my political engagement isn't limited to a trip to ballot every 2 years... this poll asked for a lot more than just that.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh, look. Chump is voting present. So are his butt lickers. :lol

Where's your vote, derp?

[Spurtacular]

Where's your vote?

I already said I'm not eligible.

You are under your de facto rule however.

Where's your vote, derp?

[ChumpDumper]

I already said I'm not eligible.You never said what non-Republican you voted for in a partisan election.

Where's your vote?

[Spurtacular]

You never said what non-Republican you voted for in a partisan election.

Where's your vote?

Take your L with grace. Why you voting present?

[ChumpDumper]

Take your L with grace. Why you voting present?derp folds

I'll do it for a trillion dollars.

[Spurtacular]

derp folds

I'll do it for a trillion dollars.

But not for a million? Go lock your vote in, then.

[ChumpDumper]

But not for a million? Go lock your vote in, then.Nope.

[Spurtacular]

Nope.

Cos you're voting present.

[ChumpDumper]

Cos you're voting present.As are you.

[Spurtacular]

As are you.

I'm not eligible for a vote. You are. You voted present.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not eligible for a vote.Sure you are. You vote Republican every time it's a choice.

[Spurtacular]

Sure you are. You vote Republican every time it's a choice.

You're going to just pound that square peg into the triangle hole. Predictable.

[ChumpDumper]

You're going to just pound that square peg into the triangle hole. Predictable.You haven't indicated you voted for anything but Republicans when that was a choice.

[Spurtacular]

:cry

Fact remains you're voting present like the weak man you are. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Fact remains you're voting present like the weak man you are. :lmaoAs are you.:lmao

[clambake]

As are you.:lmao

This web site is his woman. You get that, right?

[ChumpDumper]

This web site is his woman. You get that, right?He's not into even imaginary women.

[Spurtacular]

As are you.:lmao

Admitting you're a weak man. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Admitting you're a weak man. :lmaoAs are you. :lmao

[Spurtacular]

As are you. :lmao

Nope. But :lmao That you know know you're such a weak man and have come to terms.

[ChumpDumper]

Nope.Yep. :lmao

[Spurtacular]

:lmao That you know know you're such a weak man and have come to terms.


Yep. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao derp has to lie every single time.

Even little girls are stronger than you, derp.

[ElNono]

Better than a million? Not likely. But probably in the ballpark of $50K-$250K.

We have a lot of elections, tbh...

[Spurminator]

Question for ST conservatives:

Would you suck Trump's dick for $1,000?

If not, how much would you pay?

[DMC]

my political engagement isn't limited to a trip to ballot every 2 years... this poll asked for a lot more than just that.

But you sold it just the same, so the vote was worth even less.

[DMC]

Question for ST conservatives:

Would you suck Trump's dick for $1,000?

If not, how much would you pay?

I knew you'd get around to propositioning people for gay sex.

[Spurtacular]

derp has to lie every single time.



What's the lie?

You constantly fall back on this blanket excuse like the weak man you are.

[ChumpDumper]

What's the lie?

You constantly fall back on this blanket excuse like the weak man you are.You lied about what SR said about the CCP.

Why?

[spurraider21]

But you sold it just the same, so the vote was worth even less.
obviously the vote alone was worth even less. giving to political campaigns, volunteering/canvassing, advocating, etc is much more valuable than one vote in the scheme of things. those were ruled out as part of your hypo though