NBA Finals: Heat vs. Lakers

[lefty]

Lol AD pretends to have a career ending injury on a regular basis :lol

Just ask NOLA fans, he used to pull that shit at least every week

[LkrFan]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thesportsrush.com/nba-news-will-lakers-anthony-davis-be-suspended-for-slap-on-jae-crowder-nba-releases-statement-on-alleged-suspension-nba-finals-game-5/%3famp

It involves a superstar LA Fakers so they are of course letting it go

Like how they let Crowder get away with tryna rip Bron's arm outta its socket in game 1? Kelly Olynyk (his teammate) did this to Kevin Love in 2015 and cost Bron a B2B.

Laker fans have receipts:
https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/325e5ef/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2750x1719+0+95/resize/2000x1250!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F88%2F09%2Fea310d1540 d2b827255669530362%2Fla-photos-1staff-622048-sp-0930-lakers-heat-finals7-wjs.jpg
You have no room son. -25 points :lol

[LkrFan]

Dwight boxes out Jimmy Butler (pure basketball move). Jimmy takes exception and tries to tackle Dwight
https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2020/10/10/0569edac-9464-4a69-ab0e-1373ed66f13c/thumbnail/1200x675/de5ce9bf4144111f534d2e303b5488d7/butler-dwight.jpg
https://heatnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Screen-Shot-2020-10-09-at-6.27.02-PM-copy-e1602293361462.jpg

Instead of throwing out the hoodlum, they give out double techs. Where's the justice? Dwight was just doing his job.

I got receiptsPERIOD.

[Rummpd]

Dwight boxes out Jimmy Butler (pure basketball move). Jimmy takes exception and tries to tackle Dwight
https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2020/10/10/0569edac-9464-4a69-ab0e-1373ed66f13c/thumbnail/1200x675/de5ce9bf4144111f534d2e303b5488d7/butler-dwight.jpg
https://heatnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Screen-Shot-2020-10-09-at-6.27.02-PM-copy-e1602293361462.jpg



Instead of throwing out the hoodlum, they give out double techs. Where's the justice? Dwight was just doing his job.

I got receiptsPERIOD.

HOward is a thug these days nothing to discuss here but AD should be suspended or at least get flagrant so next is auto ejection, but ABC/BSPN and NBA ignore solely as he is a Faker. Go HEAT!

[LkrFan]

HOward is a thug these days nothing to discuss here but AD should be suspended or at least get flagrant so next is auto ejection, but ABC/BSPN and NBA ignore solely as he is a Faker. Go HEAT!

And no comments on Jae Crowder's MMA move on Bron? You just glossed over it huh? :lol

[MultiTroll]

And no comments on Jae Crowder's MMA move on Bron? You just glossed over it huh? :lol
Context. IIRC Bron had wrapped Jae up and tried to push him out of the way. Jae said no way. If you're going to push me out of the play you're going down too.
The illegal hook by Lebron was negated.

[MultiTroll]

Lol AD pretends to have a career ending injury on a regular basis :lol

Just ask NOLA fans, he used to pull that shit at least every week
This.
I thought i was watching a Kirby Bryant movie when AD did he drama queen injury act in Game 5. :lol

[LkrFan]

Context. IIRC Bron had wrapped Jae up and tried to push him out of the way. Jae said no way. If you're going to push me out of the play you're going down too.
The illegal hook by Lebron was negated.

You really are a troll :lol

[MultiTroll]

You really are a troll :lol
Roll the tape.

[Rummpd]

Go Heat!

[Rummpd]

This however not good at all:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30091882/los-angles-lakers-danny-green-fiancee-received-death-threats-missed-shot-game-5-nba-finals

Green is a class act

[TDfan2007]

This however not good at all:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30091882/los-angles-lakers-danny-green-fiancee-received-death-threats-missed-shot-game-5-nba-finals

Green is a class act
People are losing their damn minds. Not sure I've ever heard of this before. You've also got people petitioning that he and Kuzma not get a ring. Lakers fans are the worst...

[DAF86]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/anthony-davis-suspended-striking-jae-crowder-lakers-heat-nba-finals-214905159.html

Fakers thuggish behavior to go unpunished per nba norm

Wow, and then Lakers fans wonder why everybody else hates their ref aided team.

[Kyle_Kuzma]

for kobe!!!!!



]https://i.postimg.cc/Dy6GJP6m/F65-C0300-B581-43-B6-8-A54-316-F2-DE9-B2-AF.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


title # 17 in a few more hrs y’all

[Rummpd]

for kobe!!!!!



]https://i.postimg.cc/Dy6GJP6m/F65-C0300-B581-43-B6-8-A54-316-F2-DE9-B2-AF.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


title # 17 in a few more hrs y’all


Soft as charmin Kuzma fan weighing in. Go Heat

This *bubble title has nothing to do with the Kobe - who was an afterthought to most of the Fakers till he tragically died

[Bynumite]

The series is basically a retard fight. It's a scrimmage.

As long as Fat Antonio doesn't ring :tu

[MultiTroll]

Laker Phans wearing their designer Depends tonight.

[Rummpd]

Watching is Spanish as only stream on phone but ok lived in Panama and can get by / sadly LAL going to win this sham title

[Bynumite]

Danny Green is clearly a Fat Antonio double agent sent to sabotage the Lakers.

[Play Boban]

LeRoid elbows Crowder in the face and injures him, and lakerefs call foul on Crowder.

[Rummpd]

Fakers seemingly going to dominate tonight as the should have been suspended AD and LeRoid stepping up. Heat have to keep it close first half.

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/UnwrittenRul3s/status/1315445078379257856?s=19

[LkrFan]

LeRoid elbows Crowder in the face and injures him, and lakerefs call foul on Crowder.

His face was in the way. :lol

[Capt Bringdown]

Heat looking like they're going to get blown out tonight. LakerRef letting James bulldoze his way to rim.

[SuperCam]

San Antonio Heat :lol

[Rummpd]

Heat need to play hard rest of half or turn out lights and anointed sham ** champs can start the predictable sham victory LA riots. Move your cars or they will be torched....

[Bynumite]

Heat need to play hard rest of half or turn out lights and anointed sham ** champs can start the predictable sham victory LA riots. Move your cars or they will be torched....

On a positive note, the playoffs are almost over and you won't burn more money betting against the Lakers :tu

[Rummpd]

I did ok thanks overall

[LkrFan]

Refs letting the Heat grab, bump and hack the Lakers. SMH

[Capt Bringdown]

That's ball game.

[LkrFan]

Heat looking like they're going to get blown out tonight. LakerRef letting James bulldoze his way to rim.

The Heat are getting away with murder out there. C'mon man :lol

[Bynumite]

Handcuff Danny Green to the end of the bench and throw away the key.

[baseline bum]

San Antonio Heat :lol

San Antonio Lakers here

[Bynumite]

:worthy: Playoff Rondo :worthy:

[SuperCam]

blowout once they benched Dwert :lmao

[TDfan2007]

Lakers are putting on a clinic.

Bam is playing like a scared child

[TDfan2007]

The clock struck midnight and the heat have turned back into a pumpkin

[SuperCam]

heart attacks all over fat antonio right now :lol

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/LakersReporter/status/1315453001989988353?s=19

[LkrFan]

heart attacks all over fat antonio right now :lol

:lol

[LkrFan]

Handcuff Danny Green to the end of the bench and throw away the key.

:lol

[Laker_1995]

Go to sleep San Antonio Heat/Clipper fans . Maybe next year

[Rummpd]

Enjoy the *sham bubble title and if you live in the LA area move your cars or they are likely to be torched. Out

[LkrFan]

JR Smith and Danny Green (two champion players) for Pandemic P. Who says no? (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6tglfdc) :downspin:

[Laker_1995]

Enjoy the *sham bubble title and if you live in the LA area move your cars or they are likely to be torched. Out

lmao when Miami won game 5 it sure seemed like this title meant something

[LkrFan]

Crowder wanted an offensive foul on this play
https://twitter.com/DunkBait/status/1315454979218440192?s=19

SMH

[baseline bum]

https://i.redd.it/5xg6km4r2cp21.jpg

[Play Boban]

I’m done with the nba

[Rummpd]

lmao when Miami won game 5 it sure seemed like this title meant something

I stated even if they won title was a sham enjoy your despicable but talented NBA favored team and the victory riots as no one celebrates title with better riots than LA fans in that expensive earthquake ridden city with the worst traffic possible ....

[Rummpd]

LOL Lakers fans coming in out in droves to celebrate Fakers belated beat down of injured JV team lite when only LkrFan and maybe 1995 been here all along. Bandwagon much?

[baseline bum]

LOL Lakers fans coming in out in droves to celebrate Fakers belated beat down of injured JV team lite when only LkrFan and maybe 1995 been here all along. Bandwagon much?

I'm sorry this is happening to you.

[JamStone]

LOL Lakers fans coming in out in droves to celebrate Fakers belated beat down of injured JV team lite when only LkrFan and maybe 1995 been here all along. Bandwagon much?

Someone’s

sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

sad.

:depressed

[LkrFan]

AD was clobbered. No foul :lol

[LkrFan]

:lol

[SuperCam]

Laker are going to break the Antonio finals winning margin just from this game alone :lmao

[LkrFan]

That wasn't a foul on AD :lmao

[baseline bum]

Someone’s

sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

sad.

:depressed

He wouldn't be so butthurt if LeBron just shut up and dribbled like a good negro who knows his place.

[FrostKing]

Compare this to the recent Super Bowl and World Series.

Not difficult to see why NBA is a dying sports league.

[baseline bum]

Damn, didn't realize LeBron had a Kawhi Leonard Season's worth of NBA Finals games played (55).

[baseline bum]

Compare this to the recent Super Bowl and World Series.

Not difficult to see why NBA is a dying sports league.

Not the Lakers' fault the Bucks punked out in the second round.

[Spurtacular]

75-46. What a joke. Wish I went to Vegas though. I should've saw this coming.

[Spurtacular]

AD was clobbered. No foul :lol

You're gonna do this counter schtick to the end, aren't you? SMH

[Spurtacular]

Vikes up 10-0. Enjoy your sh** Game 6 ratings, NBA.

[Capt Bringdown]

Not the Lakers' fault the Bucks punked out in the second round.

Bucks are a terrible playoff team. I don't they could have taken even 1 game from the Lakers if they miracle-d their way into the finals.

[Laker_1995]

Ahahahah it’s a wrap. People mad mad .

but ima be the bigger person here .

good season y’all

[LkrFan]

You're gonna do this counter schtick to the end, aren't you? SMH

:lol

https://twitter.com/Ralph_MasonJr/status/1315465248183185408?s=19

[LkrFan]

Not the Lakers' fault the Bucks punked out in the second round.

Or the 96 Bulls 2.:lol

[baseline bum]

Ahahahah it’s a wrap. People mad mad .

but ima be the bigger person here .

good season y’all

Congrats on 17

[Rummpd]

Congrats to LkRFan and 1995 who were here all series rooting on their team. Props on that.

[Bynumite]

Congrats to LkRFan and 1995 who were here all series rooting on their team. Props on that.

Don't lose hope buddy, if the heat somehow someway force game 7, playing 5 on 8, against the cheating corrupt Lakers. SOmeHOw, SoMEway.

[Thebesteva]

Lol this gonna be good

[LkrFan]

3-6 Mafia is dead
https://twitter.com/DylansRawTake/status/1315469349763907584?s=19

Big Daddy Kang :toast

[LkrFan]

Congrats to LkRFan and 1995 who were here all series rooting on their team. Props on that.

:toast

[baseline bum]

Will be really interesting to see this Heat team as Herro and Adabayo hit their primes, and Butler should still have another 3-4 strong years.

[Laker_1995]

Congrats to LkRFan and 1995 who were here all series rooting on their team. Props on that.

I know I was annoying af my bad lol . But tonight I’m going off in Vegas lmao ��

[lefty]

SAN ANTONIO LAKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERS



LET’S GO!!!!!!!!!

[LkrFan]

Will be really interesting to see this Heat team as Herro and Adabayo hit their primes, and Butler should still have another 3-4 strong years.

They gonna come outta the East next year too.

[baseline bum]

3-6 Mafia is dead
https://twitter.com/DylansRawTake/status/1315469349763907584?s=19

Big Daddy Kang :toast

LOL LeBron pushing it right in Micky Arison's face with that slap the backboard jam. :lol

[Trainwreck2100]

It is nice to see some familiar faces, brings back memories from the old days

[LkrFan]

LOL LeBron pushing it right in Micky Arison's face with that slap the backboard jam. :lol

Pat Riley too :lol

[LkrFan]

Kuz got more rings than Playoff P

:lol

[LkrFan]

AD got more rings than Marcus Morris

:lol

[LkrFan]

Caruso got more rings than Pat Bev

:lol

[Arcadian]

:lol Having to celebrate alone in a bubble

I'm glad they were robbed of the full championship experience and had to settle for the shittier version.

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/Original_Gio/status/1315475875593252864?s=19

:lol

[FrostKing]

3-6 Mafia is dead
https://twitter.com/DylansRawTake/status/1315469349763907584?s=19

Big Daddy Kang :toast
John Elway of the NBA

[LkrFan]

:lol Having to celebrate alone in a bubble

I'm glad they were robbed of the full championship experience and had to settle for the shittier version.

I'll take it :toast

[baseline bum]

Pat Riley too :lol

He ain't mad at Riley, Riley was nothing but great to him. Arison's the one who got cheap and amnestied Mike Miller after LeBron, Wade, and Bosh took paycuts to sign him. They didn't take paycuts to make Arison another few million per year. Guaranteed LeBron was mad as fuck not having Miller there in the 2014 Finals when Chalmers went ice cold while Miller had hit some big shots to beat the Spurs in the 2013 Finals.

[LkrFan]

John Elway of the NBA

Elway is a HOFer. -100 points son

[daslicer]

AD is the black Gasol. Historically he will go down as a Lebron sidekick.

[LkrFan]

He ain't mad at Riley, Riley was nothing but great to him. Arison's the one who got cheap and amnestied Mike Miller after LeBron, Wade, and Bosh took paycuts to sign him. They didn't take paycuts to make Arison another few million per year. Guaranteed LeBron was mad as fuck not having Miller there in the 2014 Finals when Chalmers went ice cold while Miller had hit some big shots to beat the Spurs in the 2013 Finals.

Whoah! Forgot about that. Magic Mike was huge for them. You right son.

[LkrFan]

AD is the black Gasol. Historically he will go down as a Lebron sidekick.

AD got more rangs than LaMarcus Aldridge - who spurned the Lakers. :lmao

[TDfan2007]

Amazing performance by the Lakers tonight. They earned this title and they were clearly the best team all season. LeBron once again proving why he's arguably the greatest of all time, and AD got over the hump.

[davethedope]

Faced not one hall of famer what a weak championship

[LkrFan]

Faced not one hall of famer what a weak championship

Dame
Harden
Russ
Jimmy Butler (maybe)

Don't be a dope son :lol

[davethedope]

Gimme a break... Not one title among 'em.

[timtonymanu]

Kuz got more rings than Playoff P

:lol

Congrats my dude.

[JamStone]

Dame
Harden
Russ
Jimmy Butler (maybe)

Don't be a dope son :lol

Arvydas Jokic

[LkrFan]

Congrats my dude.

Thanks yo :toast

[davethedope]

I'll put it to you like this: Who was on the court tonight? This was the biggest farce a professional league, save MLB, has ever put on to my knowledge. This title is more tainted than 2012 and 1999 in my opinion

[timtonymanu]

AD got more rings than Marcus Morris

:lol

I’m glad the Morris brother that rang wasnt the loser that betrayed fat Antonio.

[LkrFan]

Arvydas Jokic

He'll get there. Forgot about him.

Denver gonna be a problem next year.

[baseline bum]

Amazing performance by the Lakers tonight. They earned this title and they were clearly the best team all season. LeBron once again proving why he's arguably the greatest of all time, and AD got over the hump.

Amazing that dude is 36 and at worst a top-2 player in the league. Can't believe next year his career will be old enough to vote.

[LkrFan]

I’m glad the Morris brother that rang wasnt the loser that betrayed fat Antonio.

Word! Because actually before he signed with you guys, the Lakers were after him. He basically gave us the middle finger.

Lakers got the better twin without giving up any assets.

[LkrFan]

SAN ANTONIO LAKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERS



LET’S GO!!!!!!!!!

:lol

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/LakeShowHoopsPH/status/1315481920340287488?s=19

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/LilAioli/status/1315482196061294594?s=19

:cry

[RD2191]

https://twitter.com/LilAioli/status/1315482196061294594?s=19

:cry
I'm calling ICE.

[timtonymanu]

3-6 Mafia is dead
https://twitter.com/DylansRawTake/status/1315469349763907584?s=19

Big Daddy Kang :toast

Should have been more if Durant wasn’t such a coattailing pussy

[R. DeMurre]

You really have to be a weird fan to claim you didn't watch the finals, but still came to a website focused on basketball immediately after the game to pontificate about how bad the league is and how much you hate everything. Yikes.

Congrats to Danny Green on his third ring.

[LkrFan]

I'm calling ICE.

:cry

[FrostKing]

https://twitter.com/LilAioli/status/1315482196061294594?s=19

:cry
"Blacks are browns are disproportionality dying from Covid"

[Spurminator]

This is the first time that I haven't been pissed about the Lakers winning the championship.

[timtonymanu]

This is the first time that I haven't been pissed about the Lakers winning the championship.

Honestly with how the year has been, I’ll take anything to celebrate about.

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/pickuphoop/status/1315475313716064257?s=19

:smokin

[LkrFan]

This is the first time that I haven't been pissed about the Lakers winning the championship.



Honestly with how the year has been, I’ll take anything to celebrate about.

:toast

[SuperCam]

https://twitter.com/SwaggyCTV/status/1315472838829121536

didn't consider the loss of HCA and psychologic torture of the bubble when I made my legoat average championship thread. this title really does need an asterisk... for hardest won ever, tbh :worthy:

[LkrFan]

Much respect to Big Bill
https://twitter.com/RealBillRussell/status/1315475682453983232?s=19

[LkrFan]

During the halftime show it looked like they were at a funeral. Ole busters :lol

[Chillen]

This is the first time that I haven't been pissed about the Lakers winning the championship.

I didn't like them when they were competing with prime Spurs, Duncan, Robinson (99,03), Manu, Tony. Kobe and Shaq were tough to beat. I respected them though and I have more respect and admiration today for that Lakers teams with Kobe/Shaq, Gasol/Kobe.

This doesn't bother me at all and after all the butt whoopings LeBron has had from Warriors I am fine with it for one season. Happy AD and Dwight won a ring. The NBA was weaker this season, no Warriors or Spurs, Raptors lost Kawhi to Clips and Clips blew a 3-1 lead to Denver.

Lakers true test will be winning it all again next season. It will be tougher.

[LkrFan]

The Rona likes this
https://twitter.com/ContentNBA/status/1315500407007981568?s=19

:lol

[lefty]

https://twitter.com/SwaggyCTV/status/1315472838829121536

didn't consider the loss of HCA and psychologic torture of the bubble when I made my legoat average championship thread. this title really does need an asterisk... for hardest won ever, tbh :worthy:

:cry We overcame tough odds

[Neo.]

Gimme a break... Not one title among 'em.

interesting. let's consider how many titles were won by the star players a guy like Mike faced

other than magic with a weak squad and worthy hurt? none. rofl

[daslicer]

This is the first time that I haven't been pissed about the Lakers winning the championship.

Agreed all the laker titles I have seen in my life always got me upset which was all of Kobe’s title but with this one I get be chill about it and not care and just enjoy people’s reactions.

[daslicer]

AD got more rangs than LaMarcus Aldridge - who spurned the Lakers. :lmao

No disagreement here.

[daslicer]

https://twitter.com/SwaggyCTV/status/1315472838829121536

didn't consider the loss of HCA and psychologic torture of the bubble when I made my legoat average championship thread. this title really does need an asterisk... for hardest won ever, tbh :worthy:

I didn't know you were a huge fan of Big Brother.

[swrowe78]

Congrats to the Lakers. I'm just glad we got the NBA back in disneyland. Adam Silver did a great job.

[Rummpd]

So is LA downtown on fire yet? Congrats Lakers fans though.

[davethedope]

interesting. let's consider how many titles were won by the star players a guy like Mike faced

other than magic with a weak squad and worthy hurt? none. rofl

1.) Fuck Jordan

2.) I'm talking about LBJ, this season, this run.

3.) I dunno if you watched ball in those days but the refs and the league was so in Jordan's pocket, a cynical fan, and a Knicks fan, could make the argument that all of his titles are suspect, but ESPN doesn't want you to know that.

[LkrFan]

Ramona finally saying the quiet part out loud. Ballmer paid off the media to slander the Lakers:
https://twitter.com/33643pts/status/1315539652678496256?s=19
And you farmers went along with all their BS. :lol

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/KlutchSports/status/1315473148238675970?s=19

LeBron
AD
Klutch
E
R
S

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/_whogonestopmee/status/1315648961802199040?s=09

:lol

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/_whogonestopmee/status/1290540154315137025?s=19

I should put this in my signature. SMH

[Neo.]

1.) Fuck Jordan

2.) I'm talking about LBJ, this season, this run.

3.) I dunno if you watched ball in those days but the refs and the league was so in Jordan's pocket, a cynical fan, and a Knicks fan, could make the argument that all of his titles are suspect, but ESPN doesn't want you to know that.

point is, you're holding bron and the Lakers accountable for 1) something out of their control and 2) something that commonly happens, even for the best of the best.

the Lakers did exactly what they were supposed to, take care of whatever teams are in front of them.

not only that, you claimed they didn't play any hall of famers. bullcrap when there's already three obvious HOF players they faced in their run (dame, Russ, harden) along with 3-4 more potentials as well who are still relatively early in their careers, but made huge strides with excellent playoff runs this year (murray, jokic and butler seem very possible, bam looks promising, and McCollum is very good player, maybe not HOF unless he's a late bloomer kinda guy which sometimes happens)

[LkrFan]

Uncle Snopp Dee-OH-Double G:
https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1315666535835471879?s=19

:lol

[LkrFan]

point is, you're holding bron and the Lakers accountable for 1) something out of their control and 2) something that commonly happens, even for the best of the best.

the Lakers did exactly what they were supposed to, take care of whatever teams are in front of them.

not only that, you claimed they didn't play any hall of famers. bullcrap when there's already three obvious HOF players they faced in their run (dame, Russ, harden) along with 3-4 more potentials as well who are still relatively early in their careers, but made huge strides with excellent playoff runs this year (murray, jokic and butler seem very possible, bam looks promising, and McCollum is very good player, maybe not HOF unless he's a late bloomer kinda guy which sometimes happens)

This. All of this. Props :tu

[davethedope]

point is, you're holding bron and the Lakers accountable for 1) something out of their control and 2) something that commonly happens, even for the best of the best.

the Lakers did exactly what they were supposed to, take care of whatever teams are in front of them.

not only that, you claimed they didn't play any hall of famers. bullcrap when there's already three obvious HOF players they faced in their run (dame, Russ, harden) along with 3-4 more potentials as well who are still relatively early in their careers, but made huge strides with excellent playoff runs this year (murray, jokic and butler seem very possible, bam looks promising, and McCollum is very good player, maybe not HOF unless he's a late bloomer kinda guy which sometimes happens)

I'll give it to you, MAYBE, those guys will be HOFers one day, fair enough, and it's true, conspiracies aside, the Lakers played what was in front of them and did their job.

All I'm saying is that it's a very unimpressive title run, and this is typical of LBJ's titles coming out of the East for most of his career, and now this...

It would be nice, after the past two years, to see a match up in the finals with at least two top 20 players on each team, but with the way the East has been decimated of talent for the past decade, seems unlikely.

[Neo.]

I'll give it to you, MAYBE, those guys will be HOFers one day, fair enough, and it's true, conspiracies aside, the Lakers played what was in front of them and did their job.

All I'm saying is that it's a very unimpressive title run, and this is typical of LBJ's titles coming out of the East for most of his career, and now this...

It would be nice, after the past two years, to see a match up in the finals with at least two top 20 players on each team, but with the way the East has been decimated of talent for the past decade, seems unlikely.

MAYBE? I don't see how there's a "maybe" about Russ and Harden. I don't care for either player, but they are unquestionable HOFers.

and if Reggie makes the HOF, then Dame makes it easily, barring a career ending injury. even then, he may make it.

if we want to nitpick the way you are nitpicking, then probably 90% of title runs are "unimpressive".

nets?

id say lakers vs celtics or nets are very likely next year, both of which would be a really competitive and fun matchup

[davethedope]

MAYBE? I don't see how there's a "maybe" about Russ and Harden. I don't care for either player, but they are unquestionable HOFers.

and if Reggie makes the HOF, then Dame makes it easily, barring a career ending injury. even then, he may make it.

if we want to nitpick the way you are nitpicking, then probably 90% of title runs are "unimpressive".

nets?

id say lakers vs celtics or nets are very likely next year, both of which would be a really competitive and fun matchup

Russ has been in one finals. Harden has been in none. Yes, the NBA Hall of Fame is kind of come one come all. I'm mainly talking about the Finals.

That being said, yes, every title run isn't going to be the Mavs 2010-2011 quality, but again, I'm talking about THIS run, not every other one in the history of the NBA.

Personally, I want to see Warriors return to form and face the Nets, to me that's where the true league narrative and the league's actual championship continuity remains, after two years of these fluke wins.

[R. DeMurre]

Russ has been in one finals. Harden has been in none. Yes, the NBA Hall of Fame is kind of come one come all. I'm mainly talking about the Finals.

That being said, yes, every title run isn't going to be the Mavs 2010-2011 quality, but again, I'm talking about THIS run, not every other one in the history of the NBA.

Personally, I want to see Warriors return to form and face the Nets, to me that's where the true league narrative and the league's actual championship continuity remains, after two years of these fluke wins.

Harden was on the same OKC finals team as Westbrook, in 2012.

[Neo.]

Russ has been in one finals. Harden has been in none. Yes, the NBA Hall of Fame is kind of come one come all. I'm mainly talking about the Finals.

are you retarded? Russ and Harden were on the same finals team. and there's plenty of players in the HOF that never even played in the finals


That being said, yes, every title run isn't going to be the Mavs 2010-2011 quality, but again, I'm talking about THIS run, not every other one in the history of the NBA.

but you are knocking them for having an "unimpressive" run. my point is, "unimpressive" runs are pretty much the norm. so why is this one such an issue, compared to all the other ones? or do you consider it in the same category as those runs as well, and are just bellyaching for the sake of it?


Personally, I want to see Warriors return to form and face the Nets, to me that's where the true league narrative and the league's actual championship continuity remains, after two years of these fluke wins.

:lmao so the true narrative and actual championship continuity remains among steph and KD? two MVPs in their absolute prime that realized they needed to team up in order to legitimately beat Lebron? lets not kid ourselves, lebron is the center of the league, and has been for the majority of his career. and hes earned the right to that position. everything goes through him.

[The Gemini Method]

https://twitter.com/pickuphoop/status/1315475313716064257?s=19

:smokin :cheers

[davethedope]

are you retarded? Russ and Harden were on the same finals team. and there's plenty of players in the HOF that never even played in the finals



but you are knocking them for having an "unimpressive" run. my point is, "unimpressive" runs are pretty much the norm. so why is this one such an issue, compared to all the other ones? or do you consider it in the same category as those runs as well, and are just bellyaching for the sake of it?



:lmao so the true narrative and actual championship continuity remains among steph and KD? two MVPs in their absolute prime that realized they needed to team up in order to legitimately beat Lebron? lets not kid ourselves, lebron is the center of the league, and has been for the majority of his career. and hes earned the right to that position. everything goes through him.

I'm just telling you who the last real champs were.

I don't knock Lebron for his skills, he's not really performed up to his potential if you go by that, but it's a team game. I agree Lebron was the best in the "Lebron Era" but that ended with the "three point ball era"

I forgot Harden was on that team, that was a long time ago.

Give some examples of less impressive runs, not including last year. I'd like to know about them. Spurs 2007? Any of Lebron's finals runs coming out of the East? Jordan's 2nd threepeat? Showtime era lakers had some cakewalks... When was the last time a finals team didn't contain at least one unquestionable HOFer? Pistons Mid-2000's?

[Rummpd]

Sham * bubble title by sham non GOAT likely on very sophisticated roids and he could not win until he got his quit on Pelicans sidekick who should have been suspended game 6 for blatant head slap.

[TimDunkem]

^This dude is so obsessed with the Lakers. On ST, that's saying something. Get over it, dude. At least you can start throwing out the asterisk shit now, so take solace in that.

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/LakeShowFamily/status/1315755786690326529?s=19

[Kawhitstorm]

https://twitter.com/LakeShowFamily/status/1315755786690326529?s=19

:cheerOrlando Summer League chumps :cheer

[daslicer]

https://twitter.com/LakeShowFamily/status/1315755786690326529?s=19

Are you going to buy the championship DVD?

[Neo.]

I'm just telling you who the last real champs were.

I don't knock Lebron for his skills, he's not really performed up to his potential if you go by that, but it's a team game. I agree Lebron was the best in the "Lebron Era" but that ended with the "three point ball era"

I forgot Harden was on that team, that was a long time ago.

Give some examples of less impressive runs, not including last year. I'd like to know about them. Spurs 2007? Any of Lebron's finals runs coming out of the East? Jordan's 2nd threepeat? Showtime era lakers had some cakewalks... When was the last time a finals team didn't contain at least one unquestionable HOFer? Pistons Mid-2000's?

lol so teaming up like Durant and Steph did somehow makes their championship more legit than this lakers squad? :rollin

yet somehow you remembered Russ was on the team that was known for having a "big 3"

why ask questions to which already know (and stated some of) the answers to?

[LkrFan]

Are you going to buy the championship DVD?

Nope. I do have Spectrum Sports tho. I'll watch their coverage.

[LkrFan]

:cheerOrlando Summer League chumps :cheer

Kiwi preparing for Joker's 14incher
https://image-cdn.essentiallysports.com/wp-content/uploads/20200916095823/2020-09-13T185054Z_1814575986_NOCID_RTRMADP_3_NBA-PLAYOFFS-LOS-ANGELES-CLIPPERS-AT-DENVER-NUGGETS-1600x1085.jpg

Bron never lost to the Joker in the playoffs. Kiwi did :lol

[RD2191]

:cheerOrlando Summer League chumps :cheer
:lol

[ambchang]

https://twitter.com/LakeShowFamily/status/1315755786690326529?s=19

I see they are avoiding the helicopters now.

Good for them. Live and learn.

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/_JasonLT/status/1315770976680902656?s=19

[Killakobe81]

I see they are avoiding the helicopters now.

Good for them. Live and learn.

To soon, AMB.
I KNOW its been months...
But still to soon

[Laker_1995]

Go Heat! How can anyone root for:

LaRoid - pseudo GOAT and media fav
DaQuit he totally bailed on Pelicans in infamous manner proving he is not a leader
HOward - father to a football team who has wasted great ability
Rondo - simply an unlikeable star who did not produce and kissed off a lot in Boston
Various scrubs for coat-tailing (I do like Kuzma and he dates a model with vitiligo and I admire that and coach seems classy.)

However cannot root for them.


lol

[Kawhitstorm]

https://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg
Brat getting bent over by a midget:lol

Kiwi stomped LeBrat & ran him out of South Beach :claw

Then LeBrat abandoned the ship again while Kiwi went to the Leastern Conference & conquered it overnight.:)

Let’s not forget that Brat begged Kiwi for mercy when he returned home:lol; Kiwi just let him borrow LB one final time before he kicks Brat to the curb. #lastmeal

[Rummpd]

Won’t happen but would serve LBJ right

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/anthony-davis-says-no-idea-000038410.html

[TD 21]

Kiwi stomped LeBrat & ran him out of South Beach :claw

Then LeBrat abandoned the ship again while Kiwi went to the Leastern Conference & conquered it overnight.:)

Let’s not forget that Brat begged Kiwi for mercy when he returned home:lol; Kiwi just let him borrow LB one final time before he kicks Brat to the curb. #lastmeal

:lmao Little known fact about the '14 Finals: James annihilated souped up Bowen, yet still lost in record breaking fashion (70 points in 5 games) to a team playing at a GOAT level.

Scumbag didn't conquer anything. He got a free ride and when he didn't this season, he was exposed.

[Kawhitstorm]

:lmao Little known fact about the '14 Finals: James annihilated souped up Bowen, yet still lost in record breaking fashion (70 points in 5 games) to a team playing at a GOAT level.

Scumbag didn't conquer anything. He got a free ride and when he didn't this season, he was exposed.

Kiwi led the team in win-share for the duration of the season & outplayed the “GOAT” at his PEAK after the series was tied 1-1 on BOTH ends but how could anyone forget LeBrat’s padding :cry

Exposed in Orlando Summer league like Ostertag exposed Timmay?:lmao

LeBrat missed the postseason when he didn’t have a “top 5” player (he was just hurt not injured....he simply quit on his team (c) TD21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=908))

[TD 21]

Kiwi outplayed him after the series was tied 1-1 on BOTH ends but how could anyone forget the LeBrat’s padding :cry

Exposed in Orlando Summer league like Ostertag exposed Timmay?:lmao

LeBrat missed the postseason when he didn’t have a “top 5” player (he was just hurt not injured....he simply quit on his team (c) TD21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=908))

:lmao Souped up Bowen was the mere beneficiary of the moment of the "beautiful game". All he had to do is finish what it created.

So now Davis matters, but five minutes ago you made him out to be prime Jordan (DeAndre). Nah, James, like most competitors, actually wants to play as much as possible and not only when the circumstances are pristine.

[Kawhitstorm]

:lmao Souped up Bowen was the mere beneficiary of the moment of the "beautiful game". All he had to do is finish what it created.

Yeah, he was a finisher just like Davis except Kiwi has the highest recorded Finals TS% in NBA history (75%) along with a net-rating of +35. Kiwi also actually dominated a pivotal Finals game in a hostile environment where his wingman was none other than L*kers whipping boy Danny: :lol


https://youtu.be/XbeBO6KqzBQ

LeBrat begging for screens against Kiwi & picking on TOSB Timmay :lmao


So now Davis matters, but five minutes ago you made him out to be prime Jordan (DeAndre). Nah, James, like most competitors, actually wants to play as much as possible and not only when the circumstances are pristine.

Your words bruh, you claimed Davis was the best player in the postseason. Are you denying your claims?:lol


https://youtu.be/-WmMj4lfpdc

[davethedope]

lol so teaming up like Durant and Steph did somehow makes their championship more legit than this lakers squad? :rollin

yet somehow you remembered Russ was on the team that was known for having a "big 3"

why ask questions to which already know (and stated some of) the answers to?

I don't take issue with who any of these guys decide to play with. AD wants to be on Lebron's team that's fine. I didn't mention any of that. Most of these guys are overrated, prisoner-of-the-moment type talents anyway. Like Paul George, oh sure he's a future Hall of Famer, a real fucking superstar, he's all sorts of good.

Back to the point, Miami was a weak finals opponent, about this there can be no argument.

The three other best players in the league were injured all season, not to mention all the bubble/time off stuff, it's a sus title...

[LkrFan]

I see they are avoiding the helicopters now.

Good for them. Live and learn.

You're a certified POS. SMH

[LkrFan]

Kiwi led the team in win-share for the duration of the season & outplayed the “GOAT” at his PEAK after the series was tied 1-1 on BOTH ends but how could anyone forget LeBrat’s padding :cry

Exposed in Orlando Summer league like Ostertag exposed Timmay?:lmao

LeBrat missed the postseason when he didn’t have a “top 5” player (he was just hurt not injured....he simply quit on his team (c) TD21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=908))
17.8 / 6.4 / 2.0

Is this ^^^ worth a 2014 Finals MVP? He was on a historic team that wonPERIOD. Meanwhile:

In the 2014 NBA Finals, James put up 28.2 points, 7.8 rebounds, and 4.0 assists per game. James also shot 57.1% from the floor and 51.9% from the three-point line.

Fact: Kawhi Leonard NEVER was better than LeBron James. He was drafted into a Dynasty. Traded to a stacked team in the East. Forced his way to the Clippers. We all know the results.

In San Antonio and Toronto, he wasn't asked to lead his team. With the Clippers, well, this fat guy took his cookie
https://i.imgur.com/QS0GRKKl.jpg

He shoulda stayed with Massa Pop :lol

[MultiTroll]

Bron never lost to the Joker in the playoffs. Kiwi did :lol
Joker never lost to Bron in the playoffs. :lol
https://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/scott-foster-referee.jpg

[Kawhitstorm]

17.8 / 6.4 / 2.0

Is this ^^^ worth a 2014 Finals MVP?

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eRzh2f-OiD4/VBy_Ot6FJFI/AAAAAAAAAXo/GnJrPRgtMiM/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2014-09-19%2Bat%2B7.41.21%2BPM.png
Let’s see:
-An ungodly true-shooting of 75%: Check
-An insane Net-rating of +35: check
-Hands down the best player in Gm 3 by a large margin: Check
-Outplayed PEAK LeBrat for 3 straight games: Check

Let’s compare that to the “head of the snake” Porker:
-TS%: 55 :wow
-Net Rating: 0:lmao
-Zero buckets in Gm 5 until a garbage time duel with LeBrat: check :lol

“Kiwi won FMVP only b/c he was on a ‘loaded team’ “:cry

Why haven’t Klay/Draymond/Curry/Pippen/Manu/Bosh/Kyrie won FMVP?:wakeup


Kawhi Leonard NEVER was better than LeBron James.

Kiwi’s competition isn’t his son LeBrat rather the GOAT.


He was drafted into a Dynasty. Traded to a stacked team in the East. Forced his way to the Clippers. We all know the results.

#chosenone :claw #kingofLA:king


In San Antonio and Toronto, he wasn't asked to lead his team.

He doesn’t need to meddle in the kitchen, he brings home the bacon.

[LkrFan]

Joker never lost to Bron in the playoffs. :lol
https://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/scott-foster-referee.jpg

:lol

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/UnwrittenRul3s/status/1316195848871538688?s=19

Dominant

[Neo.]

I don't take issue with who any of these guys decide to play with. AD wants to be on Lebron's team that's fine. I didn't mention any of that. Most of these guys are overrated, prisoner-of-the-moment type talents anyway. Like Paul George, oh sure he's a future Hall of Famer, a real fucking superstar, he's all sorts of good.

Back to the point, Miami was a weak finals opponent, about this there can be no argument.

yes and those cavs opponents were weak in comparison to the warriors as well (especially in 2018), because the warriors stacked the deck. so if being so monumentally stronger than your opponent is the issue, then thats exactly what KD and Steph had, so apparently their wins were not legit either.


The three other best players in the league were injured all season, not to mention all the bubble/time off stuff, it's a sus title...

and thats their fault... why? you keep moving goalposts. basically youre condoning winning championships by stacking the deck, but saying its suspect when teams that don't win the championship had injuries. is that their fault? why is it suspect? they had no control over any of that, compared to a team that clearly colluded to stack the deck.

fwiw i dont have any issue with KDs move either, i just dont get how its "suspect" when a team wins and other teams suffered injuries, but its not suspect when a team colludes to stack their squad beyond anything the league has ever seen before.

[Neo.]

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eRzh2f-OiD4/VBy_Ot6FJFI/AAAAAAAAAXo/GnJrPRgtMiM/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2014-09-19%2Bat%2B7.41.21%2BPM.png
Let’s see:
-An ungodly true-shooting of 75%: Check
-An insane Net-rating of +35: check
-Hands down the best player in Gm 3 by a large margin: Check
-Outplayed PEAK LeBrat for 3 straight games: Check

Let’s compare that to the “head of the snake” Porker:
-TS%: 55 :wow
-Net Rating: 0:lmao
-Zero buckets in Gm 5 until a garbage time duel with LeBrat: check :lol

“Kiwi won FMVP only b/c he was on a ‘loaded team’ “:cry

Why haven’t Klay/Draymond/Curry/Pippen/Manu/Bosh/Kyrie won FMVP?:wakeup



Kiwi’s competition isn’t his son LeBrat rather the GOAT.



#chosenone :claw #kingofLA:king



He doesn’t need to meddle in the kitchen, he brings home the bacon.

4>2
4>2
4>0

lol blowing a 3-1 lead

[baseline bum]

Nope. I do have Spectrum Sports tho. I'll watch their coverage.

The championship DVDs are terrible anyways and have been for 20 years. The last good one was 2000. The NBA made incredible ones during the 80s and 90s, but after Jordan retired they only did two well produced ones (1999 and 2000) and then said fuck it and just went cheap. The Spurs 2014 championship DVD was especially bad, the fanmade ones on youtube were 10x better than the official NBA DVD. I bought the 25 Years of Champions DVD set back in like 05 and all the 80s and 90s ones were awesome.

[baseline bum]

In San Antonio and Toronto, he wasn't asked to lead his team. With the Clippers, well, this fat guy took his cookie
https://i.imgur.com/QS0GRKKl.jpg


Even worse when Matt Barnes took his cookie in 2015. Seriously... I love Matt Barnes, Bruin legend, but fucking still.

[Mark Celibate]

You really have to be a weird fan to claim you didn't watch the finals, but still came to a website focused on basketball immediately after the game to pontificate about how bad the league is and how much you hate everything. Yikes.

Congrats to Danny Green on his third ring.

rofl underrated post

:cry These Finals are so boring, nobody cares lalalalala :cry * 20 posts per day on a basketball forum telling us all how nobody cares * :cry

[TD 21]

Yeah, he was a finisher just like Davis except Kiwi has the highest recorded Finals TS% in NBA history (75%) along with a net-rating of +35. Kiwi also actually dominated a pivotal Finals game in a hostile environment where his wingman was none other than L*kers whipping boy Danny: :lol


https://youtu.be/XbeBO6KqzBQ

LeBrat begging for screens against Kiwi & picking on TOSB Timmay :lmao



Your words bruh, you claimed Davis was the best player in the postseason. Are you denying your claims?:lol


https://youtu.be/-WmMj4lfpdc

No one is denying that he played his role well, but he was a mere role player. They all kind of were, but he was far down the line when it came to play making and shot creation. He didn't carry or lead anything.

? I'm talking about you propping up or downplaying Davis depending on whether it suits your argument of the moment.

[RD2191]

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eRzh2f-OiD4/VBy_Ot6FJFI/AAAAAAAAAXo/GnJrPRgtMiM/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2014-09-19%2Bat%2B7.41.21%2BPM.png
Let’s see:
-An ungodly true-shooting of 75%: Check
-An insane Net-rating of +35: check
-Hands down the best player in Gm 3 by a large margin: Check
-Outplayed PEAK LeBrat for 3 straight games: Check

Let’s compare that to the “head of the snake” Porker:
-TS%: 55 :wow
-Net Rating: 0:lmao
-Zero buckets in Gm 5 until a garbage time duel with LeBrat: check :lol

“Kiwi won FMVP only b/c he was on a ‘loaded team’ “:cry

Why haven’t Klay/Draymond/Curry/Pippen/Manu/Bosh/Kyrie won FMVP?:wakeup



Kiwi’s competition isn’t his son LeBrat rather the GOAT.



#chosenone :claw #kingofLA:king



He doesn’t need to meddle in the kitchen, he brings home the bacon.
:claw:claw

[MultiTroll]

Final act to the play production, Game 6.

Didn't want to interrupt the Pride Parade cthelebration, so did any Non Laker posters see Game 6? Exception is KillaKobe.

Did LakerRef have any role in Game 6 or was it simply a blowout.
Boxscore has Dragic playing 19 minutes, blowing on offense while Rondo goes off for the 1st time in 12 playoff years.

[Bynumite]

Reality is Kiwi should be One and Done but Poop's senility and a Warriors team decimated by injuries got him a lucky 2nd ring.

I salute the Nuggets though, for killing the myth that Kiwi was this transcendent playoff performer. The guy completely shit the bed :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

No one is denying that he played his role well, but he was a mere role player. They all kind of were, but he was far down the line when it came to play making and shot creation. He didn't carry or lead anything.

It’s not about him “carrying” anyone but not getting the credit he deserves. Folks casually claim ‘14 Finals Kawhi was no different ‘15 Finals Iggy when the latter was being dared to make wide open shots & getting utterly outplayed by his opposition.

How much better was Pierce in the ‘08 Finals?


? I'm talking about you propping up or downplaying Davis depending on whether it suits your argument of the moment.

The point I made about Davis was that he isn’t better than Kawhi, I never ranked him. You’re the one trying to use anything & everything to denigrate Kawhi.:lol

[TD 21]

It’s not about him “carrying” anyone but not getting the credit he deserves. Folks casually claim ‘14 Finals Kawhi was no different ‘15 Finals Iggy when the latter was being dared to make wide open shots & getting utterly outplayed by his opposition.

How much better was Pierce in the ‘08 Finals?



The point I made about Davis was that he isn’t better than Kawhi, I never ranked him. You’re the one trying to use anything & everything to denigrate Kawhi.:lol

:lmao The opposite is true. Pop was mostly given the credit for '14 for 4-5 years until hipster, agenda driven media types retroactively decided it was Scumbag . . . somehow, the biggest 3, who deserve by far the most credit for it, are reduced to mere footnotes.

Garnett was the best player, but Pierce was the go-to scorer and one of the two primary creators.

Davis is at least as good as Scumbag and has a case for being better. The only reason people pretend differently is because he's a big.

[Rummpd]

:lmao The opposite is true. Pop was mostly given the credit for '14 for 4-5 years until hipster, agenda driven media types retroactively decided it was Scumbag . . . somehow, the biggest 3, who deserve by far the most credit for it, are reduced to mere footnotes.

Garnett was the best player, but Pierce was the go-to scorer and one of the two primary creators.

Davis the quiter versus KL the quiter? Tie goes to the uncle as I would take AD over KL on any team - both excellent defenders but AD has more upside IMO.

Davis is at least as good as Scumbag and has a case for being better. The only reason people pretend differently is because he's a big.

I will take AD over KL as both quitters but upside IMO more and KL has a nebulous injury history

[MultiTroll]

Reality is Kiwi should be One and Done but Poop's senility and a Warriors team decimated by injuries got him a lucky 2nd ring.
Sure dumbass, that's why Kwa was ripping the Warriors a new ass up 21 mid third quarter when he got Zaza'd.

Stay in your Pride Parade lane.

[Kawhitstorm]

:lmao The opposite is true. Pop was mostly given the credit for '14 for 4-5 years until hipster, agenda driven media types retroactively decided it was Scumbag . . . somehow, the biggest 3, who deserve by far the most credit for it, are reduced to mere footnotes.

Pretty sure Poop also gets credit for ‘19 :lmao:lmao

We all saw who was the system in ‘17 when Poop got run out of the gym the moment Kawhi stepped off the floor.:lol

In any case, the only thing associated with the franchise worth anything the past half decade was Kawhi which is why y’all can’t spend a day without mentioning his name the past 2 years. Condolence, it won’t get better.:cry


Garnett was the best player, but Pierce was the go-to scorer and one of the two primary creators.

Pierce was being guarded by Radmanovic/Walton & got his ass busted big Joe Johnson :lmao


Davis is at least as good as Scumbag and has a case for being better. The only reason people pretend differently is because he's a big.

It’s called not being an elite shot creator (although he’s an elite finisher), he would get marginalized playing with someone like Beverley/Patty that can’t run a PnR. If he was an elite passer or post up player then it would be one thing but he’s neither. Despite being an elite defender, he’s also not a great post defender ala Bosh & is lucky L*kers picked up Dwight b/c Jokic was busting his ass.

In the Orlando Summer League, he basically made jumpers at the same rate as peak Dirk when he was an average shooter throughout the season/career which is what you call an outlier. He hasn’t even proven to be a Jimmy Butler level shot creator & his track record as the alpha isn’t any better than Softridge’s.:lol

[TD 21]

Pretty sure Poop also gets credit for ‘19 :lmao:lmao

We all saw who was the system in ‘17 when Poop got run out of the gym the moment Kawhi stepped off the floor.:lol

In any case, the only thing associated with the franchise worth anything the past half decade was Kawhi which is why y’all can’t spend a day without mentioning his name the past 2 years. Condolence, it won’t get better.:cry



Pierce was being guarded by Radmanovic/Walton & got his ass busted big Joe Johnson :lmao



It’s called not being an elite shot creator (although he’s an elite finisher), he would get marginalized playing with someone like Beverley/Patty that can’t run a PnR. If he was an elite passer or post up player then it would be one thing but he’s neither. Despite being an elite defender, he’s also not a great post defender ala Bosh & is lucky L*kers picked up Dwight b/c Jokic was busting his ass.

In the Orlando Summer League, he basically made jumpers at the same rate as peak Dirk when he was an average shooter throughout the season/career which is what you call an outlier. He hasn’t even proven to be a Jimmy Butler level shot creator & his track record as the alpha isn’t any better than Softridge’s.:lol

Pop and Scumbag have something in common: They're both highly overrated.

Nah, he gets mentioned constantly because he set this franchise back years with his antics. Minus Williamson, they should have a similar future to the Pelicans.

What does that have to do with Pierce's role?

Bigs are constantly underappreciated or received backhanded compliments. He got banged up, James had a strong finishing kick and already it's been portrayed as the latter being the clear best player throughout.

No team has Beverley or Mills as their primary play maker. He'd be a top five player with any half decent one though, as we've seen in the past. He also dominated the playoffs offensively on a combination of a steady diet of post ups/free throws and pull up/step back mid rangers. Big deal if he didn't bring the ball up or initiate his attack from the 3-point line.

The Pelicans were chronically injured and ranged from bad - mediocre. He's not as natural a hub as Olajuwon/Duncan (or even Aldridge), but he just proved he could be a co go-to scorer on a championship team despite that.

[Kawhitstorm]

Pop and Scumbag have something in common: They're both highly overrated.

Nah, he gets mentioned constantly because he set this franchise back years with his antics. Minus Williamson, they should have a similar future to the Pelicans.

Without Morant, the Grizz would have a similar future to the Sperms (c) Magic Johnson :clap



What does that have to do with Pierce's role?

I don't see anybody denigrating Pierce when won FMVP playing with 4 HOFers despite not being the best player nor the most consistent performer.



Bigs are constantly underappreciated or received backhanded compliments. He got banged up, James had a strong finishing kick and already it's been portrayed as the latter being the clear best player throughout.

After missing the playoffs, Pelicans dumped him & almost made the postseason despite being injury riddled. There is a reason a team led by a playmaker dependent big has never won a chip, he's basically David Robinson 2.0. (Even KG could make plays)



No team has Beverley or Mills as their primary play maker. He'd be a top five player with any half decent one though, as we've seen in the past.

Yeah, he was top 5 last season playing w/ Jrue.:lol


He also dominated the playoffs offensively on a combination of a steady diet of post ups/free throws and pull up/step back mid rangers. Big deal if he didn't bring the ball up or initiate his attack from the 3-point line.

Yeah, it's not like tracking data doesn't exist.:wakeup

-Post-ups: 42 percentile which is worse than Siakam (who was terrible) on the same frequency :lmao
-Isolation: 3rd on the team behind Rondo when it comes to frequency :wow

He feast more in transition duck-ins against guys like Iggy & finishing lobs that he does posting-up/isolating.

Out of any play, he scored more on catch-and-shoot & did so while shooting an absurd 20%+ from mid-range than he did the past 3 seasons (pretty sure that's sustainable:lol). He also had a Harden'esq free-throw rate so he was collecting a lot of food-stamps. (It's not like he's facing up & bulldozing his way like Giannis either)



The Pelicans were chronically injured and ranged from bad - mediocre. He's not as natural a hub as Olajuwon/Duncan (or even Aldridge), but he just proved he could be a co go-to scorer on a championship team despite that.

Aka he's a Robin, nothing wrong with it. What Softridge did in '14 against PRIME Dwight is more impressive than Davis feasting on the Blazers who got shredded by Jrue/Rondo.

[TD 21]

Without Morant, the Grizz would have a similar future to the Sperms (c) Magic Johnson :clap




I don't see anybody denigrating Pierce when won FMVP playing with 4 HOFers despite not being the best player nor the most consistent performer.




After missing the playoffs, Pelicans dumped him & almost made the postseason despite being injury riddled. There is a reason a team led by a playmaker dependent big has never won a chip, he's basically David Robinson 2.0. (Even KG could make plays)




Yeah, he was top 5 last season playing w/ Jrue.:lol



Yeah, it's not like tracking data doesn't exist.:wakeup

-Post-ups: 42 percentile which is worse than Siakam (who was terrible) on the same frequency :lmao
-Isolation: 3rd on the team behind Rondo when it comes to frequency :wow

He feast more in transition duck-ins against guys like Iggy & finishing lobs that he does posting-up/isolating.

Out of any play, he scored more on catch-and-shoot & did so while shooting an absurd 20%+ from mid-range than he did the past 3 seasons (pretty sure that's sustainable:lol). He also had a Harden'esq free-throw rate so he was collecting a lot of food-stamps. (It's not like he's facing up & bulldozing his way like Giannis either)




Aka he's a Robin, nothing wrong with it. What Softridge did in '14 against PRIME Dwight is more impressive than Davis feasting on the Blazers who got shredded by Jrue/Rondo.

Never mentioned the Grizzlies. Always deflection and spin with you.

Again, Pierce did heavy lifting as a primary shot creator/play maker. He didn't stand in the corner waiting for others to break the defense down.

Yeah, because they won/the league gifted them Williamson, then received commensurate return for a superstar and finally became a destination for solid veterans.

He's been top 5 for a long time.

Slice it however you want, the reality is he created plenty of his own offense, much of it came in similar fashion to Scumbag last season (minus the constant pushing off to create space for that stiff's mid ranger) and in many key moments the offense went through him and he delivered.

You're just trying to downplay him because the masses are realizing/remembering what was clear years ago, which is that he's better than Scumbag.

[Kawhitstorm]

Never mentioned the Grizzlies. Always deflection and spin with you.

Yeah, it’s unfortunate to the sperms they didn’t have a “top 5” player like Davis lead them to the Zion sweepstakes :cry (Yeah, “the league” would rather have Zion in the worst NBA market instead of NY:lol)


Again, Pierce did heavy lifting as a primary shot creator/play maker. He didn't stand in the corner waiting for others to break the defense down.

Yeah, “heavy load” going up against Radmanovic/Walton :lmao (Pretty sure Kawhi was standing in the corner like Danny in Gm 3-5 but I digress)


Yeah, because they won/the league gifted them Williamson, then received commensurate return for a superstar and finally became a destination for solid veterans.

LMAO, what the hell did they win? Davis literally led them to the lotto before he quit.:lol


He's been top 5 for a long time.

Slice it however you want, the reality is he created plenty of his own offense, much of it came in similar fashion to Scumbag last season (minus the constant pushing off to create space for that stiff's mid ranger) and in many key moments the offense went through him and he delivered.

“Stiff jumper”, somebody got their panties in bunches.:lol

In any case, Kawhi is one of the league leaders in drives at the wing position but you have been blinded by hate. #staysalty


You're just trying to downplay him because the masses are realizing/remembering what was clear years ago, which is that he's better than Scumbag.

Kawhi is a made man while Davis is sitting at the kids table & needs to get his hands held.

You can cry till that cows come home but it’s a FACT that Davis has never & will most likely never win shyt as the legit #1 unless his unsustainable jump shooting “the masses remember from years ago” is here to stay.

[ambchang]

To soon, AMB.
I KNOW its been months...
But still to soon

Sorry my man. Hope the ring dampened the horrible year.

[lefty]

Pretty sure Poop also gets credit for ‘19 :lmao:lmao

We all saw who was the system in ‘17 when Poop got run out of the gym the moment Kawhi stepped off the floor.:lol

In any case, the only thing associated with the franchise worth anything the past half decade was Kawhi which is why y’all can’t spend a day without mentioning his name the past 2 years. Condolence, it won’t get better.:cry



Pierce was being guarded by Radmanovic/Walton & got his ass busted big Joe Johnson :lmao



It’s called not being an elite shot creator (although he’s an elite finisher), he would get marginalized playing with someone like Beverley/Patty that can’t run a PnR. If he was an elite passer or post up player then it would be one thing but he’s neither. Despite being an elite defender, he’s also not a great post defender ala Bosh & is lucky L*kers picked up Dwight b/c Jokic was busting his ass.

In the Orlando Summer League, he basically made jumpers at the same rate as peak Dirk when he was an average shooter throughout the season/career which is what you call an outlier. He hasn’t even proven to be a Jimmy Butler level shot creator & his track record as the alpha isn’t any better than Softridge’s.:lol

[LkrFan]

Reality is Kiwi should be One and Done but Poop's senility and a Warriors team decimated by injuries got him a lucky 2nd ring.

I salute the Nuggets though, for killing the myth that Kiwi was this transcendent playoff performer. The guy completely shit the bed :lol

:lol

[RD2191]

Reality is Kiwi should be One and Done but Poop's senility and a Warriors team decimated by injuries got him a lucky 2nd ring.

I salute the Nuggets though, for killing the myth that Kiwi was this transcendent playoff performer. The guy completely shit the bed :lol
Literally the dumbest take I've ever read, not surprising coming from a retarded lakers fan though.

[TD 21]

Yeah, it’s unfortunate to the sperms they didn’t have a “top 5” player like Davis lead them to the Zion sweepstakes :cry (Yeah, “the league” would rather have Zion in the worst NBA market instead of NY:lol)



Yeah, “heavy load” going up against Radmanovic/Walton :lmao (Pretty sure Kawhi was standing in the corner like Danny in Gm 3-5 but I digress)



LMAO, what the hell did they win? Davis literally led them to the lotto before he quit.:lol



“Stiff jumper”, somebody got their panties in bunches.:lol

In any case, Kawhi is one of the league leaders in drives at the wing position but you have been blinded by hate. #staysalty



Kawhi is a made man while Davis is sitting at the kids table & needs to get his hands held.

You can cry till that cows come home but it’s a FACT that Davis has never & will most likely never win shyt as the legit #1 unless his unsustainable jump shooting “the masses remember from years ago” is here to stay.

Davis played limited minutes and was held out of numerous games down the stretch (that he wanted to play in) in an effort to avoid injury/maximize value and tank. Everytime the Pelicans have been in trouble, they've conveniently been bailed out (Paul trade and the two biggest prospects of the last decade).

Heavy load = go-to scorer and second best play maker. A series is a small sample size.

Davis never had the talent around him that the Pelicans had this past season. Give him that and relative health and he's damn sure taking that team to the playoffs.

Scumbag is a stiff who needs to push off to create space for his precious mid rangers. :cry

Nah, Scumbag's reputation is already in tatters and Davis just won untaintedly as a co #1 option. I could careless about him, I'm just saying the former has had much better teams throughought his career.

[Bynumite]

Literally the dumbest take I've ever read, not surprising coming from a retarded lakers fan though.

What did i say that is a lie, clown?

- Kiwi crossed your team, Senile Poop returned the favor by sending him to a contender
- Warriors were short 2 all stars in the Finals
- Nuggets neutered Kiwi in 7

He should be one and done. I don't expect you to see the obvious with Kiwi's nuts in your face though.

[Bynumite]

On another note, Jimmy is a bonafide star. Can you imagine if he doesn't shut down Kiwi's and Uncle's initial plan and the clippers end up with a Kiwi and Jimmy duo instead of WNBA P? :lol

Clippers would immediately have the leader they desperately need and someone who actually elevates his game in the playoffs. Thank God that fell through.

[Killakobe81]

Sorry my man. Hope the ring dampened the horrible year.

it helped a ton ... but cuz you my dude ... ill be honest, Kobe passing still seems unreal, surreal ...
Im almost embarrassed that the passing of a guy I did not have a tangible, personal connection with could move me the way it has.

anyways I start a new gig on Monday ...
So i will definitely be gone from here except maybe on the occasional weekend.

I never wanted to leave as an active poster while my Lakers sucked ... not knocking anyone else ...but I felt it was a true test of my fandom since i talked so much shit over the years ...

Props to you, EL, TD21, Bum, Jam, Deeps and to many solid posters who may have hated my Lakers but still have my respect ...

To all the trolling Laker hating Kobe is a rapist Magic has AIDS type haters ...yall can eat a fat one, straight up ...

To my ST wing of Lakernation not limited to but including: Kool, Ashy, Lakerfan, Medvedenko, Bynumite, Gemini, Cobbler and even Trump loving Cully, We back where we belong!!!

The hate and salty tears here Real GM and in the media is so good to see.
Especially after:

Jerry Buss passing
Buss on buss crime
Lavar Ball
Magic quitting and stabbing us in the back ...
Kobe's achilles snapping
Kobe's death
Jeannie begging Dwight
Mozgoff and deng signings
Missing out on Embiid KAT Simmons booker Tatum for Lonzo Randle etc.
Dantoni, Scott Walton and Mike D ...
Being turned down by pseudo superstars like Melo, LMA, PG13 Greg monroe (on 2nd thought ... THANK GOD they did us a favor!!!)

Im still savoring the chip a week later ...

Killa out.

[ambchang]

You're a certified POS. SMH

You didn’t have any issues making fun of Duncan’s domestic misfortune.

[Kawhitstorm]

Davis played limited minutes and was held out of numerous games down the stretch (that he wanted to play in) in an effort to avoid injury/maximize value and tank. Everytime the Pelicans have been in trouble, they've conveniently been bailed out (Paul trade and the two biggest prospects of the last decade).

Heavy load = go-to scorer and second best play maker. A series is a small sample size.

Davis never had the talent around him that the Pelicans had this past season. Give him that and relative health and he's damn sure taking that team to the playoffs.

Scumbag is a stiff who needs to push off to create space for his precious mid rangers. :cry

Nah, Scumbag's reputation is already in tatters and Davis just won untaintedly as a co #1 option. I could careless about him, I'm just saying the former has had much better teams throughought his career.

So, basically Batman vs. Robin. I rest my case.

[ambchang]

it helped a ton ... but cuz you my dude ... ill be honest, Kobe passing still seems unreal, surreal ...
Im almost embarrassed that the passing of a guy I did not have a tangible, personal connection with could move me the way it has.

anyways I start a new gig on Monday ...
So i will definitely be gone from here except maybe on the occasional weekend.

I never wanted to leave as an active poster while my Lakers sucked ... not knocking anyone else ...but I felt it was a true test of my fandom since i talked so much shit over the years ...

Props to you, EL, TD21, Bum, Jam, Deeps and to many solid posters who may have hated my Lakers but still have my respect ...

To all the trolling Laker hating Kobe is a rapist Magic has AIDS type haters ...yall can eat a fat one, straight up ...

To my ST wing of Lakernation not limited to but including: Kool, Ashy, Lakerfan, Medvedenko, Bynumite, Gemini, Cobbler and even Trump loving Cully, We back where we belong!!!

The hate and salty tears here Real GM and in the media is so good to see.
Especially after:

Jerry Buss passing
Buss on buss crime
Lavar Ball
Magic quitting and stabbing us in the back ...
Kobe's achilles snapping
Kobe's death
Jeannie begging Dwight
Mozgoff and deng signings
Missing out on Embiid KAT Simmons booker Tatum for Lonzo Randle etc.
Dantoni, Scott Walton and Mike D ...
Being turned down by pseudo superstars like Melo, LMA, PG13 Greg monroe (on 2nd thought ... THANK GOD they did us a favor!!!)

Im still savoring the chip a week later ...

Killa out.

Hate to see you leave even if it was only temporarily. You’ve been a good dude and didn’t talk too much obnoxious crap

Good luck on the new gig.

[TDMVPDPOY]

so laker fans are discrediting kawhis ring with raptors cause he played against injured gsw

so what about the lakers latest ring against a depleted d league miami heat?

[LkrFan]

You didn’t have any issues making fun of Duncan’s domestic misfortune.

Death = misfortune? I could see "rape allegations" but death? Really? SMH

[ambchang]

Death = misfortune? I could see "rape allegations" but death? Really? SMH

Many men would rather die than go through what Duncan did.

[LkrFan]

Many men would rather die than go through what Duncan did.

Now you justifying your pathetic comments? Even if Kobe was convicted of rape, that's worst. Why? At least Duncan was still free. Free to find love again, free to see his children, etc. Lakers would have voided Kobe's contract when he did 25+ years in the clink, would have been divorced just like Duncan too. He would have lost everything he loved including his freedom.

I don't see how you can make jokes about him helplessly watching his daughter die with him and think it is comparable to what Duncan went thru. It's not comparable.

I know you hated Kobe but damn. SMH

[LkrFan]

Many men would rather die than go through what Duncan did.

Many men would rather helplessly watch their daughter die than go thru a divorce? Really? Wow just wow.

I'm baffled at your comments, although given your history, I shouldn't be. Shame on me.

[ambchang]

Now you justifying your pathetic comments? Even if Kobe was convicted of rape, that's worst. Why? At least Duncan was still free. Free to find love again, free to see his children, etc. Lakers would have voided Kobe's contract when he did 25+ years in the clink, would have been divorced just like Duncan too. He would have lost everything he loved including his freedom.

I don't see how you can make jokes about him helplessly watching his daughter die with him and think it is comparable to what Duncan went thru. It's not comparable.

I know you hated Kobe but damn. SMH


Many men would rather helplessly watch their daughter die than go thru a divorce? Really? Wow just wow.

I'm baffled at your comments, although given your history, I shouldn't be. Shame on me.

Forgot about Gigi. My bad.

[Laker_1995]

so laker fans are discrediting kawhis ring with raptors cause he played against injured gsw

so what about the lakers latest ring against a depleted d league miami heat?

I get annoyed when they say he’s the best player in the league for that run. Lebron already was the real king of the league so it’s different lol

[TD 21]

So, basically Batman vs. Robin. I rest my case.

So, basically you concede.

[Kawhitstorm]

So, basically I concede.

FIFY

[Rummpd]

I get annoyed when they say he’s the best player in the league for that run. Lebron already was the real king of the league so it’s different lol

LeBron has only won with stacked teams with another one or two top 5 or ten besides him. He is truly great but is a stat king as he dominates ball or with a hot shooter that saved his title like Allen. It is very arguable he has been best definitely over even last 10 years. Durant, Curry, and our current DVP/MVP and KL all can make cases but BSPN continues to press narrative on LBJ whose career benefited greatly by missing college. Heck most of playoffs AD was the man for Fakers.

[Neo.]

LeBron has only won with stacked teams with another one or two top 5 or ten besides him.

KD, Steph, Klay, Dray, loads of depth
Timmy, Tony, Manu, loads of depth
Kobe, Pau, Bynum, Artest/Ariza, loads of depth
Shaq, Kobe, loads of depth
Mike, Scottie, loads of depth
Hakeem, Thorpe, Maxwell, loads of depth
Magic, Kareem, Worthy, loads of depth
Bird, McHale, Parish, loads of depth

stacked teams with multiple high level stars sounds like the exact formula for every single team that has won multiple championships ever

although tbh, until this year, lebron never won with a top 5 player with him. wade was top 10, kyrie arguably not even a top 10. but that was the extent of his top 5/10, certainly never had 2 such players as you claim

and while AD is definitely a top 5, maybe top 3 player, this was probably the least deep team of his four championship squads

[Rummpd]

KD, Steph, Klay, Dray, loads of depth
Timmy, Tony, Manu, loads of depth
Kobe, Pau, Bynum, Artest/Ariza, loads of depth
Shaq, Kobe, loads of depth
Mike, Scottie, loads of depth
Hakeem, Thorpe, Maxwell, loads of depth
Magic, Kareem, Worthy, loads of depth
Bird, McHale, Parish, loads of depth

stacked teams with multiple high level stars sounds like the exact formula for every single team that has won multiple championships ever

although tbh, until this year, lebron never won with a top 5 player with him and

. wade was top 10, kyrie arguably not even a top 10. but that was the extent of his top 5/10, certainly never had 2 such players as you claim

and while AD is definitely a top 5, maybe top 3 player, this was probably the least deep team of his four championship squads

Parker and Manu (especially clutch and competitive) are rightfully Spurs legends but never top ten and Robinson was injured and past prime and Spurs were not deep with many role players at best - great case can be made Duncan in same ballpark more accomplished and anointed than Kang LBJ

[Neo.]

Parker and Manu (especially clutch and competitive) are rightfully Spurs legends but never top ten and Robinson was injured and past prime and Spurs were not deep with many role players at best - great case can be made Duncan in same ballpark more accomplished and anointed than Kang LBJ
lol stop downplaying the spurs in order to crap on lebron

you don't win 5 championships without a bunch of talent and depth around you. not to mention arguably the GOAT coach.

[lefty]

lol stop downplaying the spurs in order to crap on lebron

you don't win 5 championships without a bunch of talent and depth around you. not to mention arguably the GOAT coach.

[MultiTroll]

Timmy Dunks is 2-1 vs Lebron in the Finals.
Any intelligents know the 1 loss was strictly on Popped.

2007 Lebron did a fine job just getting the Cavs to the Finals. No shame in either of the two losses.

[Rummpd]

Not crapping on LJ he sits legit in top 6 all time and pretty good career for an uneducated likely roid using HS grad.

[Neo.]

Timmy Dunks is 2-1 vs Lebron in the Finals.
Any intelligents know the 1 loss was strictly on Popped.

2007 Lebron did a fine job just getting the Cavs to the Finals. No shame in either of the two losses.

pops substitution made absolute sense, it was just an unfortunate bounce. if timmy was in the game and got caught in a switch and was late to contest ray and he hits a 3 to tie, everyone would be wondering "WHY WAS TIMMY IN THE GAME!??!?!?!! YOU NEED SPEED OUT THERE TO CONTEST THE THREE!!!!!!!"

instead of blaming pop, maybe credit should simply be given to miami for making a good play


Not crapping on LJ he sits legit in top 6 all time and pretty good career for an uneducated likely roid using HS grad.

still wondering what makes it so likely that hes using roids. he doesnt remotely look like a roid user tbh

and you missed the point as usual. it was the fact that the spurs had some fantastic teams and coaching that allowed them to win 5 championships. dont lie and downplay their team in order to win an irrational argument.

[Dirks_Finale]

Not even sure why people put Lebron over Tim on their all time list.

Also not sure why Tim rarely seems to make anyone's top 5.

Imagine Tim's numbers if he were in Orlando all that time and instructed to be a little more selfish.


Parker and Manu (especially clutch and competitive) are rightfully Spurs legends but never top ten and Robinson was injured and past prime and Spurs were not deep with many role players at best - great case can be made Duncan in same ballpark more accomplished and anointed than Kang LBJ

[Rummpd]

pops substitution made absolute sense, it was just an unfortunate bounce. if timmy was in the game and got caught in a switch and was late to contest ray and he hits a 3 to tie, everyone would be wondering "WHY WAS TIMMY IN THE GAME!??!?!?!! YOU NEED SPEED OUT THERE TO CONTEST THE THREE!!!!!!!"

instead of blaming pop, maybe credit should simply be given to miami for making a good play

If you don’t think he looks like a balding early over developed never hurt roid user please get a eye exam.


still wondering what makes it so likely that hes using roids. he doesnt remotely look like a roid user tbh

and you missed the point as usual. it was the fact that the spurs had some fantastic teams and coaching that allowed them to win 5 championships. dont lie and downplay their team in order to win an irrational argument.

[Rummpd]

Spurs had a good team but Duncan has achieved more with less than LaRoid. Not sure even debatable and 5 vs 4*[sham bubble **title]

[Neo.]

Spurs had a good team but Duncan has achieved more with less than LaRoid. Not sure even debatable and 5 vs 4*[sham bubble **title]

1) lebrons career isnt over, he still has plenty more years left in him

2) timmy definitely had plenty of help, and still the GOAT coach, stop downplaying the spurs just to make ridiculous lebron comparisons

3) timmy did not achieve more. 1 more ring, sure. but as far as all other career accomplishments? not even close :lmao

[FrostKing]

More posts in this thread than viewers.

[Rummpd]

1) lebrons career isnt over, he still has plenty more years left in him

2) timmy definitely had plenty of help, and still the GOAT coach, stop downplaying the spurs just to make ridiculous lebron comparisons

3) timmy did not achieve more. 1 more ring, sure. but as far as all other career accomplishments? not even close :lmao

Duncan has the highest winning percentage any great superstar, back to back MVPs and multiple finals MVPs, many all star and first team NBA, and starting a team give me him over peripatetic James. Duncan by far better defender over entire career. James has a few greater stats but pass on him vs. Duncan.:madrun:ihit

[Laker_1995]

TD is top 6. No debate.