MVP race

[DAF86]

1- Russell Wilson - 925 yds (308.5 ypg) - 14 TDs - 1 INT - 76.7 compt % - 90 rushing yds (30 ypg) - 0 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 139.0 QBR - 89.1 TQBR
2- Josh Allen - 1038 yds (346 ypg) - 10 TDs - 1 INT - 71.1 compt % - 84 rushing yds (28 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 3 fumbles - 124.8 QBR - 88.7 TQBR
3- Pat Mahomes - 898 yds (299.3 ypg) - 9 TDs - 0 INT - 67.7 compt% - 80 rushing yds (26,6 ypg) - 1 rushing TD - 0 fumbles - 114.3 QBR - 92.3 TQBR
4- Aaron Jones - 303 rushing yds (101 ypg) - 16.7 carries - 6.1 ypc - 4 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 95 receiving yds (31.7 ypg) - 1 receiving TD
5- Aaron Rodgers - 887 yds (295.7 ypg) - 9 TDs - 0 INT - 67.0 compt% - 26 rushing yds (8,7 ypg) - 0 rushing TDs - 0 fumbles - 121.1 QBR - 90.9 TQBR

[Borosai]

That's my quarterback!

[SpursforSix]

Aaron Jones? Wtf.

[DAF86]

Aaron Jones? Wtf.

Leads all RBs (with at least 30 carries) in yards per carry and TDs.

It's a toss up between him and Rodgers for Packers MVP, imho. I give Jones the slight edge because I feel like what he has done so far as a Running Back is a bit more impressive than what Rodgers has done so far as a QB, but I can understand other folks placing Rodgers above Jones.

[spurraider21]

lol @ aaron jones. but the rest looks in order

[DeadlyDynasty]

His one interception was a horseshit call by the refs, but they made up for it at the end:lol

[i'm_still_beta]

Both Mahomes and Wilson are absolutely phenomenal. Not sold on Allen yet. Need more games. Rodgers is great too

1. Wilson
2. Mahomes
3. Allen
4. Rodgers

[Millennial_Messiah]

Both Mahomes and Wilson are absolutely phenomenal. Not sold on Allen yet. Need more games. Rodgers is great too

1. Wilson
2. Mahomes
3. Allen
4. Rodgers
The worst news for Rodgers is that he's playing in the same division as Big Dick Nick. The one issue with Nick Foles is that he's fearless, not as a runner but he's not afraid to throw a perfect deep ball while being clobbered by 3 pass rushers. He's broken his collarbone/shoulder area 3 times in his career because of that. If Foles stays healthy the Bears win the NFC North tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

And BSPN needs to cut it with the Ferrari vs. Lamborghini shit, tbh. If Mahomes is indeed a Ferrari, then Jackson is a fucking Nissan Versa. Truth bomb.

:lmao 97 yards in the biggest regular season game of the year (AFC regular season championship/bye eligibility game). And no, the Bills aren't in contention for the #1 seed. They barely beat the 4th best team in the NFC West, at home, by the skin of their teeth. They still have the Niners/Seahawks/Cardinals, Chiefs, plus the Pats twice. It won't be so easy this year.

[SpursforSix]

Leads all RBs (with at least 30 carries) in yards per carry and TDs.

It's a toss up between him and Rodgers for Packers MVP, imho. I give Jones the slight edge because I feel like what he has done so far as a Running Back is a bit more impressive than what Rodgers has done so far as a QB, but I can understand other folks placing Rodgers above Jones.

I'm sorry but this is a terrible take. He had one blowup game where he went 18 for 168. The other two games were 16/66 and 16/69. He's a good back but putting him in the MVP discussion is ridiculous. Even putting him over Rodgers as the Packers MVP is way off.

[Darth_Pelican]

Yeah I'd have Kamara over Aaron Jones. Kamara leads the NFL in yards from scrimmage (438) and in touchdowns (6).

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yeah I'd have Kamara over Aaron Jones. Kamara leads the NFL in yards from scrimmage (438) and in touchdowns (6).

problem is, 1-2, and the team is likely going 9-7

don't think there's ever been an MVP on a single digit win team. 9-7 won't make the playoffs in the NFC this year even with a 7 team bracket.

[Darth_Pelican]

problem is, 1-2, and the team is likely going 9-7

don't think there's ever been an MVP on a single digit win team. 9-7 won't make the playoffs in the NFC this year even with a 7 team bracket.

I'm didn't say he should win MVP, I said he's ahead of Aaron Jones. He'll probably compete for Offensive Player of the Year if he keeps up the pace he's on. Barry Sanders won MVP on a 9-7 Lions team, but the NFL was different back then. And it's way too early to say the Saints will go 9-7. They've been slow starters in the past few years.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I'm didn't say he should win MVP, I said he's ahead of Aaron Jones. He'll probably compete for Offensive Player of the Year if he keeps up the pace he's on. And it's way too early to say the Saints will go 9-7. They've been slow starters in the past few years.
The Saints' schedule is rough going forward. Quite rough. 9-7 might be generous, but it's too early to say otherwise.

Also, putting Aaron Jones in the top 5 or even top 10 is downright stupid. Aaron Rodgers is the franchise and you don't put 2 guys on the same team (especially on the same side of the ball) in the top 5-10. On a similar note, it's plainly obvious that Zeke was the franchise in Dallas in 2016, but now it's Dak (and Aldon Smith on defense).

[Millennial_Messiah]

1. Wilson

...
...
...

2. Rodgers
3. Mahomes
4. Big Ben
5. Goff
6. Murray
7. Allen
8. Aldon Smith
9. Carr
10. Dak

Honorable mention... Nick Foles... he'll rise on the list as the Bears keep winning.

[spurraider21]

Yeah I'd have Kamara over Aaron Jones. Kamara leads the NFL in yards from scrimmage (438) and in touchdowns (6).
:tu

[KobesAchilles]

Wilson and then everyone else. Russell is so good that he is making absolute all time great starts to a season by other QB's look pedestrian. Any other year we would be saying how Rodgers, Mahomes, or Allen are having great great seasons and are the best in the league... but not this year and that's bc of Russ

[DAF86]

Yeah I'd have Kamara over Aaron Jones. Kamara leads the NFL in yards from scrimmage (438) and in touchdowns (6).

If the Saints weren't 1-2 I would probably have him in there.

[DAF86]

I'm sorry but this is a terrible take. He had one blowup game where he went 18 for 168. The other two games were 16/66 and 16/69. He's a good back but putting him in the MVP discussion is ridiculous. Even putting him over Rodgers as the Packers MVP is way off.

As oppossed to Rodgers who had 1 and a half games out of 3 as a glorified game manager?

Like I said, to me it's close, I gave the slight edge to Jones because, imho, he's playing his position a bit better than Rodgers is playing his. I was just trying to get away from the inevitable fact of the MVP race being a defacto "which QB had the best season?" award. By season end, Jones (or any other non-QB player for that matter) probably won't be anywhere near the MVP conversation, so I'm using this opportunity to give a non-QB a shout-out while I can, tbh.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

How about some Cam Newton love. Their weapons are???

Before you say its all Bill, remember Cam did this his whole career with no weapons in Carolina

[DAF86]

How about some Cam Newton love. Their weapons are???

Before you say its all Bill, remember Cam did this his whole career with no weapons in Carolina

If the Pats keep winning he will probably get in the discussion.

[DAF86]

1- Russell Wilson - 1285 yds (321.3 ypg) - 16 TDs - 2 INT - 75.2 compt % - 95 rushing yds (23.8 ypg) - 0 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 136.7 QBR - 87.3 TQBR
2- Josh Allen - 1326 yds (331.5 ypg) - 12 TDs - 1 INT - 70.9 compt % - 83 rushing yds (20.8 ypg) - 3 rushing TDs - 3 fumbles - 122.7 QBR - 89.8 TQBR
3- Aaron Rodgers - 1214 yds (303.5 ypg) - 13 TDs - 0 INT - 70.5 compt% - 31 rushing yds (7.8 ypg) - 0 rushing TDs - 0 fumbles - 128.4 QBR - 93.2 TQBR
4- Pat Mahomes - 1134 yds (283.5 ypg) - 11 TDs - 0 INT - 67.3 compt% - 108 rushing yds (27 ypg) - 1 rushing TD - 0 fumbles - 114.1 QBR - 89.0 TQBR

[Blake]

Mahomes is the Michael Jordan of the NFL where other great players need their turn to get the trophy.

This year's Karl Malone is Wilson

[spurraider21]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ejv-FCaWsAI6UXq?format=jpg&name=large

[Millennial_Messiah]

^ Jalen Ramsey told me he was bad
(also, media)
also, Buffalo hasn't beaten the Patriots or Belichick yet, nor Mahomes and/or the Chiefs, so I'm still holding back on the 3-1 Bills.

[spurraider21]

^ Jalen Ramsey told me he was bad
(also, media)
also, Buffalo hasn't beaten the Patriots or Belichick yet, nor Mahomes and/or the Chiefs, so I'm still holding back on the 3-1 Bills.
3-1

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

^ Jalen Ramsey told me he was bad
(also, media)
also, Buffalo hasn't beaten the Patriots or Belichick yet, nor Mahomes and/or the Chiefs, so I'm still holding back on the 3-1 Bills.
You fucking welcher

[DAF86]

^ Jalen Ramsey told me he was bad
(also, media)
also, Buffalo hasn't beaten the Patriots or Belichick yet, nor Mahomes and/or the Chiefs, so I'm still holding back on the 3-1 Bills.

If they beat everybody except those two teams, will you say they suck with a record of 13-3? :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

If they beat everybody except those two teams, will you say they suck with a record of 13-3? :lol

To be the best you have to beat the best. At least split the "hard" games. Winning only the "easy" games makes you a pretender. Sort of like Green Bay and Baltimore last year (and this year so far). You can't be considered among the league's elite until you beat elite teams.

To me, KC and Seattle are the 2 best teams in football and it isn't that close.

[Millennial_Messiah]

3-1

4th down, Josh Allen throws a prayer, incomplete in the end zone. Minimal contact, ball overthrown by 10 yards... ball game, Rams win.

I'm stickin' to it like duct tape.

[DAF86]

To be the best you have to beat the best. At least split the "hard" games. Winning only the "easy" games makes you a pretender. Sort of like Green Bay and Baltimore last year (and this year so far). You can't be considered among the league's elite until you beat elite teams.

To me, KC and Seattle are the 2 best teams in football and it isn't that close.

But you didn't say they were pretenders, you said they were shit that wouldn't even make the playoffs, tbh. :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

But you didn't say they were pretenders, you said they were shit that wouldn't even make the playoffs, tbh. :lol

if they're 12-4 with losses to NE, SEA, KC and NE again, they're basically green bay last year redux, and they're going to get killed in the playoffs.

[DAF86]

if they're 12-4 with losses to NE, SEA, KC and NE again, they're basically green bay last year redux, and they're going to get killed in the playoffs.

If they are last season's Green Bay, they are a conference finals team. They are a top 4 team in the league. That's a far cry from the non-playoffs team you predicted, tbh.

[DAF86]

1- Russell Wilson - 1502 yds (300.4 ypg) - 19 TDs - 3 INTs - 72.8 compt % - 153 rushing yds (30.6 ypg) - 0 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 129.8 QBR - 84.8 TQBR
2- Aaron Rodgers - 1214 yds (303.5 ypg) - 13 TDs - 0 INT - 70.5 compt% - 31 rushing yds (7.8 ypg) - 0 rushing TDs - 0 fumbles - 128.4 QBR - 93.2 TQBR
3- Josh Allen - 1589 yds (317.8 ypg) - 14 TDs - 3 INTs - 69.3 compt % - 101 rushing yds (20.2 ypg) - 3 rushing TDs - 3 fumbles - 113.0 QBR - 86.8 TQBR
4- Pat Mahomes - 1474 yds (294.8 ypg) - 13 TDs - 1 INT - 63.7 compt% - 129 rushing yds (25.8 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 0 fumbles - 107.3 QBR - 87.4 TQBR
5- Ryan Tannehill - 1004 yds (251 ypg) - 9 TDs - 1 INT - 68.9 compt% - 77 rushing yds (19.3 ypg) - 1 rushing TD - 2 fumbles - 110.8 QBR - 84.1 TQBR
6- Ben Roethlisberger - 1016 yds (254 ypg) - 10 TDs - 1 INT - 69.9 compt% - 2 rushing yds (0.5 ypg) - 0 rushing TDs - 2 fumbles - 110.4 QBR - 65.6 TQBR

[Pelicans78]

Currently I have:

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Aaron Rodgers

[DAF86]

Currently I have:

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Aaron Rodgers

Why would anybody have anyone other than Wilson as the unquestionable MVP right now?

[spurraider21]

Why would anybody have anyone other than Wilson as the unquestionable MVP right now?
because rodgers has been playing out of his mind as well

[i'm_still_beta]

Why would anybody have anyone other than Wilson as the unquestionable MVP right now?

Rodgers has been great so far. He's at least not so distand 2nd

[DAF86]

because rodgers has been playing out of his mind as well

Not as out of his mind as Wilson, tbh. "Not even close" as some would say. Also Rodgers has a much more stacked team. A better defense than Wilson and a top 5 running game. Rodgers won game 2 as a game manager. Wilson didn't have the luxury of doing that so far this season. He has had to play balls to the wall every game to stay undefeated.

I'm not saying Rodgers isn't balling, hence why he's number 2nd in my list, but there's just no argument for him to be above Wilson. Much less imply that Rodgers is head and shoulders above the competition like Pelicans78 did by placing him 1st, 2nd and 3rd, tbh.

[spurraider21]

Not as out of his mind as Wilson, tbh. "Not even close" as some would say. Also Rodgers has a much more stacked team. A better defense than Wilson and a top 5 running game. Rodgers won game 2 as a game manager. Wilson didn't have the luxury of doing that so far this season. He has had to play balls to the wall every game to stay undefeated.

I'm not saying Rodgers isn't balling, hence why he's number 2nd in my list, but there's just no argument for him to be above Wilson. Much less imply that Rodgers is head and shoulders above the competition like Pelicans78 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15164) did by placing him 1st, 2nd and 3rd, tbh.
i dont think their offensive situations are that different. rodgers still put up all the numbers with adams and lazard both out (albeit against the falcons). he also torched the saints when adams was out and their run game wasnt working.

but comparing the weapons, is Metcalf/Lockett/Carson really worse, or significantly worse than Adams/Lazard/Jones? packers do have the better OL. one of rodgers wins coming easier is a pretty lame argument when he's been lights out every other game. thats usually an argument reserved for a QB who is regularly carried, like Jimmy G, not a guy who dominates but has an easier game here and there

i dont think its outrageous at all to have him #1. completely disagree with you that its "not even close"

[DAF86]

i dont think their offensive situations are that different. rodgers still put up all the numbers with adams and lazard both out (albeit against the falcons). he also torched the saints when adams was out and their run game wasnt working.

but comparing the weapons, is Metcalf/Lockett/Carson really worse, or significantly worse than Adams/Lazard/Jones? packers do have the better OL. one of rodgers wins coming easier is a pretty lame argument when he's been lights out every other game. thats usually an argument reserved for a QB who is regularly carried, like Jimmy G, not a guy who dominates but has an easier game here and there

i dont think its outrageous at all to have him #1. completely disagree with you that its "not even close"

It wasn't just that it was an easy Game. It was that he didn't play particularly well either and yet the Packers dominated, proving the Packers don't need Rodgers to ball everygame to win. I think he barely completed over half his passes. If Wilson has a game like that, Seattle probably loses, that's what makes him more valuable so far this season, imho.

[spurraider21]

It wasn't just that it was an easy Game. It was that he didn't play particularly well either and yet the Packers dominated, proving the Packers don't need Rodgers to ball everygame to win. I think he barely completed over half his passes. If Wilson has a game like that, Seattle probably loses, that's what makes him more valuable so far this season, imho.
yeah. so he had an easy game. thats what an easy game is, when you dont play your best and still win.

he completed 60% of his passes for 240 yards and 2 TDs and they barely threw the ball in the 2nd half so the numbers are also deflated.

[spurraider21]

Does Dak get on the top 5 after last nights game tbh?

[DAF86]

1- Russell Wilson - 1502 yds (300.4 ypg) - 19 TDs - 3 INTs - 72.8 compt % - 153 rushing yds (30.6 ypg) - 0 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 129.8 QBR - 84.8 TQBR
2- Pat Mahomes - 1699 yds (283.2 ypg) - 15 TDs - 1 INT - 65.8 compt% - 165 rushing yds (27.5 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 110.1 QBR - 86.9 TQBR
3- Ryan Tannehill - 1368 yds (273.6 ypg) - 13 TDs - 2 INTs - 69.9 compt% - 77 rushing yds (15.4 ypg) - 1 rushing TD - 3 fumbles - 113.5 QBR - 85.5 TQBR
4- Aaron Rodgers - 1374 yds (274.8 ypg) - 13 TDs - 2 INTs - 65.5 compt% - 45 rushing yds (9 ypg) - 0 rushing TDs - 0 fumbles - 109.7 QBR - 85.2 TQBR

[Blake]

1- Russell Wilson - 1502 yds (300.4 ypg) - 19 TDs - 3 INTs - 72.8 compt % - 153 rushing yds (30.6 ypg) - 0 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 129.8 QBR - 84.8 TQBR
2- Pat Mahomes - 1699 yds (283.2 ypg) - 15 TDs - 1 INT - 65.8 compt% - 165 rushing yds (27.5 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 110.1 QBR - 86.9 TQBR
3- Ryan Tannehill - 1368 yds (273.6 ypg) - 13 TDs - 2 INTs - 69.9 compt% - 77 rushing yds (15.4 ypg) - 1 rushing TD - 3 fumbles - 113.5 QBR - 85.5 TQBR
4- Aaron Rodgers - 1374 yds (274.8 ypg) - 13 TDs - 2 INTs - 65.5 compt% - 45 rushing yds (9 ypg) - 0 rushing TDs - 0 fumbles - 109.7 QBR - 85.2 TQBR

5. Gardner Minshew
6. Kyler Murray

[Millennial_Messiah]

5. Gardner Minshew
6. Kyler Murray
No. The Jags suck ass. What is their record? 1-5 with their only win coming in Week 1? lmao. Murray over that guy easily. Brady is probably #5. Carr is top 10. Good to see Josh Tebow falling to earth, tbh.

[Blake]

7. Chad Henne

[DAF86]

1- Russell Wilson - 1890 yds (315 ypg) - 22 TDs - 6 INTs - 71.2 compt % - 237 rushing yds (39.5 ypg) - 0 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 119.5 QBR - 81.9 TQBR
2- Aaron Rodgers - 1657 yds (276.2 ypg) - 17 TDs - 2 INTs - 65.9 compt% - 45 rushing yds (7.5 ypg) - 0 rushing TDs - 0 fumbles - 113.4 QBR - 85.9 TQBR
3- Pat Mahomes - 1899 yds (271.3 ypg) - 16 TDs - 1 INT - 65.7 compt% - 165 rushing yds (23.6 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 109.8 QBR - 85.3 TQBR
4- Tom Brady - 1910 yds (272.9) - 18 TDs - 4 INTs - 65.7 compt% - 7 rushing yds (1 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 4 fumbles - 102.7 QBR - 70.7 TQBR
5- Ben Roethlisberger - 1446 yds (241 ypg) - 13 TDs - 4 INTs - 68.2 compt% - 6 rushing yds (1 ypg) - 1 rushing TD - 2 fumbles - 99.6 QBR - 62.2 TQBR

[DAF86]

1- Russell Wilson - 2151 yds (307.3 ypg) - 26 TDs - 6 INTs - 71.5 compt % - 260 rushing yds (37.1 ypg) - 0 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 120.8 QBR - 83.4 TQBR
2- Pat Mahomes - 2315 yds (289.4 ypg) - 21 TDs - 1 INT - 66.9 compt% - 165 rushing yds (20.6 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 115 QBR - 86.8 TQBR
3- Aaron Rodgers - 1948 yds (278.3 ypg) - 20 TDs - 2 INTs - 65.9 compt% - 54 rushing yds (7.7 ypg) - 0 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 113 QBR - 84.2 TQBR
4- Tom Brady - 2189 yds (273.6) - 20 TDs - 4 INTs - 66.2 compt% - 6 rushing yds (0.8 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 4 fumbles - 103.1 QBR - 72.8 TQBR
5- Ben Roethlisberger - 1628 yds (232.6 ypg) - 15 TDs - 4 INTs - 68.2 compt% - 6 rushing yds (0.9 ypg) - 0 rushing TD - 3 fumbles - 99.8 QBR - 63.4 TQBR

[Blake]

If Lamar is basically doing the same thing as last year according to you, why isn't he on your list

[DAF86]

If Lamar is basically doing the same thing as last year according to you, why isn't he on your list

He isn't doing exactly the same thing. He hasn't been "figured out" though.

[Blake]

He isn't doing exactly the same thing. He hasn't been "figured out" though.

I'm fine with "regressed".

[DAF86]

I'm fine with "regressed".

In my book, regressed and being figured out are very different terms, tbh.

[Blake]

In my book, regressed and being figured out are very different terms, tbh.

It's my opinion he's been figured out. If you want to say he's regressed, fine with me, that's your opinion.

Just don't try to say his stats haven't dropped significantly.

[DAF86]

It's my opinion he's been figured out. If you want to say he's regressed, fine with me, that's your opinion.

Just don't try to say his stats haven't dropped significantly.

When the fuck have I ever said that? :lol

[Blake]

When the fuck have I ever said that? :lol


Dude, that's exactly what happened to Mahomes to a T. :lol All of his stats dropped dramatically (I would argue even more dramatically than Lamar's) from one year to the next.

If you don't understand the difference between seeing your stats decrease and being "figured out" then that's on you, tbh. I will help you out, I hope you take the explanation.

Seeing your stats decrease means that your statistical output diminished from your previous year, and, although it is never a good thing to see your production dip, sometimes it doesn't mean much, specially when you come from having historic, monster, MVP seasons like Lamar and Mahomes did.

Being figured out means that opposing teams have found a way to make you ineffective and you can no longer be a productive, positive impact player.

Seeing how Lamar can still lead a team that puts 30 ppg and wins over 70% of its games, the logical conclusion is that he hasn't been "figured out" but, rather, that he's just seeing his historic, unsustainable production from last season revert to more normal standards, which are still pretty good by basing it on results, tbh.

I'm sure you'll try to spin this

[DAF86]

I'm sure you'll try to spin this

The word "revert" is right there on the phrase. :lol

[Blake]

The word "revert" is right there on the phrase. :lol

So is "pretty good"

[DAF86]

So is "pretty good"

30 ppg and a 5-2 record. I would say those are pretty good, tbh.

[Blake]

30 ppg and a 5-2 record. I would say those are pretty good, tbh.

Lol you're doing that team thing instead of individual thing again.

Look I get it. You're a Lamar fan. It's fine.

[DAF86]

Lol you're doing that team thing instead of individual thing again.

Look I get it. You're a Lamar fan. It's fine.

Yeah, because the QB doesn't have a huge impact on those numbers. :lol

I'm a Mahomes fan, tbh. If anything, I root for the Ravens to lose since they are contenders in the AFC. You are the one that seems to have a personal thing with Lamar, tbh. :lol

[Blake]

I'm sure you'll try to spin this


Yeah, because the QB doesn't have a huge impact on those numbers. :lol

I'm a Mahomes fan, tbh. If anything, I root for the Ravens to lose since they are contenders in the AFC. You are the one that seems to have a personal thing with Lamar, tbh. :lol

[DAF86]

Sons, help me out here. Does somebody agree with Blake?

[spurraider21]

im not going to read through a bunch of comments with bright red backgrounds and chiefs logos tbh

[Blake]

Sons, help me out here. Does somebody agree with Blake?

https://sports.yahoo.com/lamar-jacksons-struggles-183215931.html

https://www.nfl.com/news/offensive-player-rankings-week-9-what-s-behind-lamar-jackson-s-struggles

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/ny-ravens-lamar-jackson-20201102-4a3l2okltjbkjjns3utluqxp74-story.html

https://sports.yahoo.com/warner-diagnoses-sources-lamar-jacksons-184123097.html

https://sports.yahoo.com/antonio-cromartie-lamar-jacksons-struggles-202729223.html

https://cbssportsradio.radio.com/articles/wilcots-playing-from-behind-lamar-jackson-ravens-kryptonite

[Blake]

Struggle Jackson, tbh

[DeadlyDynasty]

Imagine the talk if Josh Allen wins his next two games:spless:

[DAF86]

https://sports.yahoo.com/lamar-jacksons-struggles-183215931.html

https://www.nfl.com/news/offensive-player-rankings-week-9-what-s-behind-lamar-jackson-s-struggles

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/ny-ravens-lamar-jackson-20201102-4a3l2okltjbkjjns3utluqxp74-story.html

https://sports.yahoo.com/warner-diagnoses-sources-lamar-jacksons-184123097.html

https://sports.yahoo.com/antonio-cromartie-lamar-jacksons-struggles-202729223.html

https://cbssportsradio.radio.com/articles/wilcots-playing-from-behind-lamar-jackson-ravens-kryptonite

Does any of them say Jackson has been "figured out", tbh?

[Blake]

Does any of them say Jackson has been "figured out", tbh?

I've already said "just my opinion" as to why he's struggling so far this year.

What's your opinion as to why he's struggling?

[DAF86]

I've already said "just my opinion" as to why he's struggling so far this year.

What's your opinion as to why he's struggling?

Struggling and being figured out aren't the same thing. That's exactly my issue with what you said. "Struggling" means that you are going through a rough stretch but are still a positive impact player that can go back to being effective. Being "figured out" carries a notion of definity, teams know how to make you ineffective and you can no longer be a positive player. To me this is pretty clearly not Lamar's case.

BTW, the figured out QB just put up 20+ pts for the 31st time in a row. That's an all-time record.

[Blake]

:lol sidestepping the question.

What's your opinion as to why he's struggling?

[DeadlyDynasty]

Imagine the talk if Josh Allen wins his next two games:spless:
Allen with 80% passing, 415 yds, 4 total tds, no turnovers vs the MVP front runner (who had 4 turnovers) in a game that was never really that close. All this while taking a beating (7 sacks and other tough hits)Can’t wait to hear his detractors after this one

[Blake]

BTW, the figured out QB just put up 20+ pts for the 31st time in a row. That's an all-time record.

The final score was 24-10.

The Ravens scored defensive touchdown today.

Why are you lying to cover this guy? I don't get it.

[Blake]

Allen with 80% passing, 415 yds, 4 total tds, no turnovers vs the MVP front runner (who had 4 turnovers) in a game that was never really that close. All this while taking a beating (7 sacks and other tough hits)Can’t wait to hear his detractors after this one

I'm an Allen fan. Dude is a baller.

[DAF86]

The final score was 24-20.

The Ravens scored defensive touchdown today.

Why are you lying to cover this guy? I don't get it.

Something good must be doing the QB of a team that scores 20+ pts in 31 straight games, tbh.

[DAF86]

:lol sidestepping the question.

What's your opinion as to why he's struggling?

What part of "that's not what we are arguing here" don't you understand? :lol

If you had said "Jackson is struggling" instead of "Jackson has been figured out" we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

[Blake]

What part of "that's not what we are arguing here" don't you understand? :lol

If you had said "Jackson is struggling" instead of "Jackson has been figured out" we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

you still won't say the words "Jackson is struggling".

again I'm not really arguing here as much as I'm just laughing at you shielding this guy. I don't get it.

[Blake]

Something good must be doing the QB of a team that scores 20+ pts in 31 straight games, tbh.

So is he struggling or not?

[DAF86]

So is he struggling or not?

Apparently not as bad as some people want to believe. No real "struggling QB" breaks an all-time record for scoring pts, tbh.

[DAF86]

you still won't say the words "Jackson is struggling".

again I'm not really arguing here as much as I'm just laughing at you shielding this guy. I don't get it.

And I'm laughing at your backtracking from "Jackson has been figured out" to "Jackson is struggling", tbh. :lol

[Blake]

And I'm laughing at your backtracking from "Jackson has been figured out" to "Jackson is struggling", tbh. :lol

Sure you are. I'm laughing at your inability to answer a simple yes or no question.

[DAF86]

Sure you are. I'm laughing at your inability to answer a simple yes or no question.

That question was never the point of the argument though. You are just trying to change the focus of the argument because you realized how retarded your "Lamar has been figured out" comment was, tbh.

[Blake]

That question was never the point of the argument though. You are just trying to change the focus of the argument because you realized how retarded your "Lamar has been figured out" comment was, tbh.

I already said I'm fine with anyone saying he hasn't been figured out. Saying he's regressed seems like a reasonable explanation as well.

What's your opinion as to why he's struggling?

[DAF86]

I already said I'm fine with anyone saying he hasn't been figured out. Saying he's regressed seems like a reasonable explanation as well.

What's your opinion as to why he's struggling?

I already said he has been dealing with a nagging injury all season long, tbh. I remember he was even questionable before a game (don't remember which one). Besides, I think his struggles have been hugely overblown. Like I said, a QB that has his team averaging 30 ppg and with a record of 6-2 can't be struggling as bad as some are trying to imply, imho.

[DAF86]

1- Pat Mahomes - 2687 yds (298.6 ypg) - 25 TDs - 1 INT - 66.9 compt% - 165 rushing yds (18.3 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 115.9 QBR - 87 TQBR
2- Russell Wilson - 2541 yds (317.6 ypg) - 28 TDs - 8 INTs - 71 compt % - 265 rushing yds (33.1 ypg) - 1 rushing TDs - 3 fumbles - 117.1 QBR - 82 TQBR
3- Aaron Rodgers - 2253 yds (281.6 ypg) - 24 TDs - 2 INTs - 67.5 compt% - 61 rushing yds (7.6 ypg) - 0 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 117.5 QBR - 87.6 TQBR
4- Ben Roethlisberger - 1934 yds (241.8 ypg) - 18 TDs - 4 INTs - 68.2 compt% - 14 rushing yds (1.8 ypg) - 0 rushing TD - 3 fumbles - 101.8 QBR - 65.6 TQBR
5- Josh Allen - 2587 yds (287.4) - 19 TDs - 5 INTs - 68.9 compt% - 241 rushing yds (26.8 ypg) - 5 rushing TDs - 4 fumbles - 107.2 QBR - 82 TQBR

[Blake]

1- Pat Mahomes - 2687 yds (298.6 ypg) - 25 TDs - 1 INT - 66.9 compt% - 165 rushing yds (18.3 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 115.9 QBR - 87 TQBR
2- Russell Wilson - 2541 yds (317.6 ypg) - 28 TDs - 8 INTs - 71 compt % - 265 rushing yds (33.1 ypg) - 1 rushing TDs - 3 fumbles - 117.1 QBR - 82 TQBR
3- Aaron Rodgers - 2253 yds (281.6 ypg) - 24 TDs - 2 INTs - 67.5 compt% - 61 rushing yds (7.6 ypg) - 0 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 117.5 QBR - 87.6 TQBR
4- Ben Roethlisberger - 1934 yds (241.8 ypg) - 18 TDs - 4 INTs - 68.2 compt% - 14 rushing yds (1.8 ypg) - 0 rushing TD - 3 fumbles - 101.8 QBR - 65.6 TQBR
5- Josh Allen - 2587 yds (287.4) - 19 TDs - 5 INTs - 68.9 compt% - 241 rushing yds (26.8 ypg) - 5 rushing TDs - 4 fumbles - 107.2 QBR - 82 TQBR

But Lamar is averaging 30ppg and isn't really struggling. How is he not in your top five?

[DAF86]

But Lamar is averaging 30ppg and isn't really struggling. How is he not in your top five?

1) Are you really gonna keep this up, despite already capitulating your original "being figured out" take?

2) Does not being on a top 5 MVP candidates list automatically mean a guy is struggling to you? :lol

3) Why the sudden change of skins son?

[Blake]

1) Are you really gonna keep this up, despite already capitulating your original "being figured out" take?

2) Does not being on a top 5 MVP candidates list automatically mean a guy is struggling to you? :lol

3) Why the sudden change of skins son?

I'm asking you, if he's not struggling then why isn't he an MVP candidate in your list? Why are you trying to twist it?

I'm pulling for Lamar to break out of his struggles.

[DAF86]

I'm asking you, if he's not struggling then why isn't he an MVP candidate in your list? Why are you trying to twist it?

I'm pulling for Lamar to break out of his struggles.

Is Kyler Murray struggling? He isn't on my top 5 either.

[Millennial_Messiah]

It's got to be Mahomes and the field right now. That ratio.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Josh Allen

[Blake]

Is Kyler Murray struggling? He isn't on my top 5 either.

No, Kyler isn't struggling. He's having a nice season statistically. What a weird question.

[DAF86]

No, Kyler isn't struggling. He's having a nice season statistically. What a weird question.

Well, that means that being out of my top 5 MVP candidates doesn't automatically mean a player is struggling, tbh. Take that into consideration before you keep dumbing this thread down, tbh.

[Blake]

Well, that means that being out of my top 5 MVP candidates doesn't automatically mean a player is struggling, tbh. Take that into consideration before you keep dumbing this thread down, tbh.

Lamar is struggling to tho. You have questions pending regarding his struggling.

[DAF86]

Lamar is struggling to tho. You have questions pending regarding his struggling.

You asked me "why isn't Lamar on your list if he isn't struggling?" As if being out of a top 5 MVP list means you are struggling. Do You realize how retarded that is? If You don't, you are retarded.

[DAF86]

Struggle Winston is gonna fall off hard, tbh.

[DAF86]

1- Pat Mahomes - 2687 yds (298.6 ypg) - 25 TDs - 1 INT - 66.9 compt% - 165 rushing yds (18.3 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 115.9 QBR - 87 TQBR
2- Aaron Rodgers - 2578 yds (286.4 ypg) - 26 TDs - 3 INTs - 67.8 compt% - 65 rushing yds (7.2 ypg) - 1 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 116.4 QBR - 85.4 TQBR
3- Russell Wilson - 2789 yds (309.9 ypg) - 28 TDs - 10 INTs - 69.8 compt % - 325 rushing yds (36.1 ypg) - 1 rushing TDs - 4 fumbles - 110.5 QBR - 76.3 TQBR
4- Ben Roethlisberger - 2267 yds (251.9 ypg) - 22 TDs - 4 INTs - 66.8 compt% - 14 rushing yds (1.8 ypg) - 0 rushing TD - 3 fumbles - 103 QBR - 67.5 TQBR
5- Alvin Kamara - 486 rushing yds (54 ypg) - 4.7 ypc - 7 rushing TDs - 648 receiving yds (72 ypg) - 9.7 ypr - 4 receiving TDs

[DAF86]

Struggle Winston is gonna fall off hard, tbh.

"Falling off hard" = 1 spot

[DAF86]

1- Pat Mahomes - 3035 yds (303.5 ypg) - 27 TDs - 2 INTS - 67.9 compt% - 187 rushing yds (18.7 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 114.3 QBR - 85.2 TQBR
2- Aaron Rodgers - 2889 yds (288.9 ypg) - 29 TDs - 4 INTs - 68.2 compt% - 78 rushing yds (7.8 ypg) - 1 rushing TDs - 2 fumbles - 115.8 QBR - 84 TQBR
3- Russell Wilson - 2986 yds (298.6 ypg) - 30 TDs - 10 INTs - 70.7 compt % - 367 rushing yds (36.7 ypg) - 1 rushing TDs - 6 fumbles - 111.5 QBR - 72.7 TQBR
4- Ben Roethlisberger - 2534 yds (253.4 ypg) - 24 TDs - 5 INTs - 67.1 compt% - 14 rushing yds (1.4 ypg) - 0 rushing TD - 3 fumbles - 101.4 QBR - 66.3 TQBR
5- Alvin Kamara - 531 rushing yds (53.1 ypg) - 4.5 ypc - 8 rushing TDs - 648 receiving yds (64.8 ypg) - 9.7 ypr - 4 receiving TDs

[spurraider21]

If the Raiders won on Sunday, Carr would have entered the conversation tbh

Mahomes is runaway #1 right now

[Millennial_Messiah]

Mahomes has the Nick Foles 2013 ratio right now :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Sorry, Big Dick Nick, you have met your match.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Mahomes still #1 but Big Raper #2 because of det record tbh. If they go 16-0, not unlikely tbh due to Jackson not playing this weekend... Rape will get MVP.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Big Rape - COVID Jackson game moved to Tuesday. Still could be an RG3 start. We'll see.

[Millennial_Messiah]

DAF86 updates?

[MultiTroll]

How are the Steelers only 4 point favorites?

[DAF86]

DAF86 updates?

After the week, as always, tbh.

[DAF86]

1- Pat Mahomes - 3497 yds (317.9 ypg) - 30 TDs - 2 INTS - 68.8 compt% - 215 rushing yds (19.5 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 2 fumbles - 115.5 QBR - 86.2 TQBR
2- Aaron Rodgers - 3100 yds (281.8 ypg) - 33 TDs - 4 INTs - 68.5 compt% - 90 rushing yds (8.2 ypg) - 1 rushing TDs - 2 fumbles - 117.6 QBR - 85.2 TQBR
3- Russell Wilson - 3216 yds (292.4 ypg) - 31 TDs - 10 INTs - 70.7 compt % - 379 rushing yds (34.5 ypg) - 1 rushing TDs - 6 fumbles - 110.8 QBR - 75 TQBR
4- Ben Roethlisberger - 2800 yds (254.5 ypg) - 25 TDs - 6 INTs - 67.5 compt% - 13 rushing yds (1.2 ypg) - 0 rushing TD - 3 fumbles - 99 QBR - 65.7 TQBR
5- Derrick Henry - 1257 rushing yds (114.3 ypg) - 4.9 ypc - 12 rushing TDs - 93 receiving yds (8.5 ypg) - 6.6 ypr - 0 receiving TDs

[DAF86]

1- Pat Mahomes - 3815 yds (317.9 ypg) - 31 TDs - 2 INTS - 68.3 compt% - 241 rushing yds (20.1 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 2 fumbles - 113.8 QBR - 85.7 TQBR
2- Aaron Rodgers - 3395 yds (282.9 ypg) - 36 TDs - 4 INTs - 68.9 compt% - 87 rushing yds (7.3 ypg) - 1 rushing TDs - 3 fumbles - 118.5 QBR - 84.6 TQBR
3- Josh Allen - 3403 yds (289.9 ypg) - 26 TDs - 8 INTs - 69.9 compt % - 322 rushing yds (26.8 ypg) - 6 rushing TDs - 7 fumbles - 105.9 QBR - 75.1 TQBR
4- Russell Wilson - 3479 yds (283.6 ypg) - 32 TDs - 11 INTs - 70 compt % - 424 rushing yds (35.3 ypg) - 1 rushing TDs - 7 fumbles - 107.6 QBR - 70.5 TQBR
5- Ben Roethlisberger - 3105 yds (258.8 ypg) - 27 TDs - 7 INTs - 66.9 compt% - 13 rushing yds (1.1 ypg) - 0 rushing TD - 3 fumbles - 97.2 QBR - 65.1 TQBR

[DAF86]

I'm so tired of the "Mahomes is the best player, but Rodgers is the most valuable player" bullshit that has been going on these last couple of weeks.

Folks like to say that Mahomes has the best weapons just because of Hill and Kelce but they forget that offensive linemen are offensive players too, I would argue the most important offensive players outside of QB, and the Packers' O-line is way better than the Chiefs O-line, both in the running game and in pass protection.

Another narrative people like to repeat is that the Packers would suck without Rodgers. Wasn't just last season that everybody was saying Rodgers was done because he wasn't playing up to his standards, and the Packers still went 13-3? Packers fan themselves were calling him a glorified game manager. :lol If your team can go 13-3 with you being a "glorified game manager" then you might not be as valuable as people are trying to make it seem right now, tbh.

[Benoit]

Scheme>Offensive Line>Weapons

[Millennial_Messiah]

I'm so tired of the "Mahomes is the best player, but Rodgers is the most valuable player" bullshit that has been going on these last couple of weeks.

Folks like to say that Mahomes has the best weapons just because of Hill and Kelce but they forget that offensive linemen are offensive players too, I would argue the most important offensive players outside of QB, and the Packers' O-line is way better than the Chiefs O-line, both in the running game and in pass protection.

Another narrative people like to repeat is that the Packers would suck without Rodgers. Wasn't just last season that everybody was saying Rodgers was done because he wasn't playing up to his standards, and the Packers still went 13-3? Packers fan themselves were calling him a glorified game manager. :lol If your team can go 13-3 with you being a "glorified game manager" then you might not be as valuable as people are trying to make it seem right now, tbh.

+++ 10000000000000000.

[Blake]

Scheme>Offensive Line>Weapons

Lolwut?

[Blake]

I'm so tired of the "Mahomes is the best player, but Rodgers is the most valuable player" bullshit that has been going on these last couple of weeks.

Folks like to say that Mahomes has the best weapons just because of Hill and Kelce but they forget that offensive linemen are offensive players too, I would argue the most important offensive players outside of QB, and the Packers' O-line is way better than the Chiefs O-line, both in the running game and in pass protection.

Another narrative people like to repeat is that the Packers would suck without Rodgers. Wasn't just last season that everybody was saying Rodgers was done because he wasn't playing up to his standards, and the Packers still went 13-3? Packers fan themselves were calling him a glorified game manager. :lol If your team can go 13-3 with you being a "glorified game manager" then you might not be as valuable as people are trying to make it seem right now, tbh.

Man that's a lot of strawmen in one post.

[DAF86]

Man that's a lot of different dicks inside my girls' vagina.

:sleep

[i'm_still_beta]

Man that's a lot of strawmen in one post.

I agree with DAF tbh. Mahomes has better receivers, Rodgers has better offensive line. Rodgers sometimes stands in the pocket and has 4,5,6 seconds to throw. Eventually somebody gets open. I think their support is pretty even.

Both guys deserve to win MVP. I give Mahomes slight edge because he didn't have game as bad as Rodgers vs Tampa Bay, but Rodgers has easier schedule the last 4 weeks, so I thinks he's a favourite.

[Blake]

Do you guys know what a straw man is?

[DAF86]

Do you guys know what a straw man is?

https://www.google.com/search?q=straw+man+definition&oq=straw+man+defi&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0i22i30l3.4802j0j7&client=ms-android-blu-rev2&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

[Bynumite]

Mahomes stat-padded 400+ yards and 5 td's against the Jets. Therefore Rodgers>Mahomes.

[DAF86]

Mahomes stat-padded 400+ yards and 5 td's against the Jets. Therefore Rodgers>Mahomes.

Mahomes has to throw the ball for over 300 yards per game for the Chiefs to move the ball because the Chiefs' running game is unreliable and, so far, he hasn't had a game as bad as Rodgers vs the Bucs, therefore he's the MVP up to this point.

[DAF86]

Also, Mahomes threw for almost 500 yards and 3 tds vs the same team that Rodgers shat the bed against. It's retarded to base an analysis solely on one game.

[Blake]

https://www.google.com/search?q=straw+man+definition&oq=straw+man+defi&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0i22i30l3.4802j0j7&client=ms-android-blu-rev2&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Good job!

[DAF86]

Good job!

That definition only reinforces the fact that you made a retarded comment, tbh.

[Blake]

That definition only reinforces the fact that you made a retarded comment, tbh.

No, I think you beat those strawmen up real good

[DAF86]

I think those other men beat up my girl's vag real good

:sleep

[DAF86]

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There you have your strawmen.

[DAF86]

1A- Pat Mahomes - 4208 yds (323.7 ypg) - 33 TDs - 5 INTS - 68.4 compt% - 250 rushing yds (19.2 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 3 fumbles - 112.3 QBR - 84.7 TQBR
1a- Aaron Rodgers - 3685 yds (283.5 ypg) - 39 TDs - 4 INTs - 69.6 compt% - 100 rushing yds (7.7 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 3 fumbles - 119.7 QBR - 84.8 TQBR
3- Josh Allen - 3641 yds (280.1 ypg) - 28 TDs - 9 INTs - 68.6 compt % - 350 rushing yds (26.9 ypg) - 6 rushing TDs - 8 fumbles - 12 receiving yards - 1 receiving TD - 103.3 QBR - 75.9 TQBR
4- Russell Wilson - 3685 yds (283.5 ypg) - 36 TDs - 12 INTs - 70.4 compt % - 423 rushing yds (32.5 ypg) - 1 rushing TDs - 7 fumbles - 109 QBR - 71.4 TQBR
5- Derrick Henry - 1532 rushing yds (117.8 ypg) - 5.2 ypc - 14 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 109 receiving yds (8.4 ypg) - 6.4 ypr - 0 receiving TDs

[DAF86]

1- Pat Mahomes - 4462 yds (318.7 ypg) - 36 TDs - 5 INTS - 67.3 compt% - 287 rushing yds (20.5 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 5 fumbles - 110.6 QBR - 83.4 TQBR
2- Aaron Rodgers - 3828 yds (273.4 ypg) - 40 TDs - 4 INTs - 69.6 compt% - 126 rushing yds (9 ypg) - 3 rushing TDs - 3 fumbles - 118 QBR - 83.5 TQBR
3- Josh Allen - 4000 yds (285.7 ypg) - 30 TDs - 9 INTs - 68.7 compt % - 383 rushing yds (27.4 ypg) - 8 rushing TDs - 9 fumbles - 12 receiving yards - 1 receiving TD - 104.2 QBR - 79.5 TQBR
4- Russell Wilson - 3806 yds (271.9 ypg) - 37 TDs - 13 INTs - 70.2 compt % - 475 rushing yds (33.9 ypg) - 1 rushing TDs - 7 fumbles - 107.1 QBR - 73.6 TQBR
5- Derrick Henry - 1679 rushing yds (119.9 ypg) - 5.2 ypc - 15 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 114 receiving yds (8.1 ypg) - 6 ypr - 0 receiving TDs

[Millennial_Messiah]

1- Pat Mahomes - 4462 yds (318.7 ypg) - 36 TDs - 5 INTS - 67.3 compt% - 287 rushing yds (20.5 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 5 fumbles - 110.6 QBR - 83.4 TQBR
2- Aaron Rodgers - 3828 yds (273.4 ypg) - 40 TDs - 4 INTs - 69.6 compt% - 126 rushing yds (9 ypg) - 3 rushing TDs - 3 fumbles - 118 QBR - 83.5 TQBR
3- Josh Allen - 4000 yds (285.7 ypg) - 30 TDs - 9 INTs - 68.7 compt % - 383 rushing yds (27.4 ypg) - 8 rushing TDs - 9 fumbles - 12 receiving yards - 1 receiving TD - 104.2 QBR - 79.5 TQBR
4- Russell Wilson - 3806 yds (271.9 ypg) - 37 TDs - 13 INTs - 70.2 compt % - 475 rushing yds (33.9 ypg) - 1 rushing TDs - 7 fumbles - 107.1 QBR - 73.6 TQBR
5- Derrick Henry - 1679 rushing yds (119.9 ypg) - 5.2 ypc - 15 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 114 receiving yds (8.1 ypg) - 6 ypr - 0 receiving TDs
agreed, Rodgers' stats are slightly, slightly better across the board but Mahomes is 13-1 in the better of the two conferences. Tough competition and the Chiefs have won every "hard" game largely thanks to Mahomes. Rodgers' competition has been very, very easy across the board; his only "hard" victory was against a Michael Thomas-less Saints and very early in the season.

[DAF86]

agreed, Rodgers' stats are slightly, slightly better across the board but Mahomes is 13-1 in the better of the two conferences. Tough competition and the Chiefs have won every "hard" game largely thanks to Mahomes. Rodgers' competition has been very, very easy across the board; his only "hard" victory was against a Michael Thomas-less Saints and very early in the season.

One thing Mahomes has going against him is that he won't play the last week, so he won't be able to get those 5k yards, 40 TDs Magic numbers, and that might prevent some simple minded people from voting for him.

[Millennial_Messiah]

One thing Mahomes has going against him is that he won't play the last week, so he won't be able to get those 5k yards, 40 TDs Magic numbers, and that might prevent some simple minded people from voting for him.

and if they say lose to Atlanta which will keep him on the field in week 17, even if it's in a shootout where Mahomes has like 4TD-0INT-350+ yards, then he'll have two losses which is only one less than rodgers.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Atlanta, for all their derpiness and chokiness, is one of those funky teams that can beat anyone on any given Sunday simply because of their sheer raw offensive talent. They can also get destroyed, or of course get out to a big lead and cough it up. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if they beat KC in KC. This is the time of year KC tends to blow one, especially with that comfortable-ish #1 overall seed lead.

[i'm_still_beta]

I wanted Mahomes to win it, but it looks like Rodgers has it in the bag :cry

[Millennial_Messiah]

I wanted Mahomes to win it, but it looks like Rodgers has it in the bag :cry

nah

Fraudgers threw a pick yesterday as well, even though it was basically garbage time

If the Pukers get beat in Chicago and lose that #1 NFC seed and the Chiefs finish 15-1 and the Packers at 12-4 and no bye, regardless of final regular season individual stats you have to go Mahomes over Fraudgers tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

thank you fat china boy for missing that kick tbh.

[i'm_still_beta]

thank you fat china boy for missing that kick tbh.

When announcers start telling during the game right before the kick about how accurate kicker is that kicker often misses. When ESPN published articles last week about how this guy is cultural phenomenon in South Korea and all-pro kicker, he had no chance

[Millennial_Messiah]

When announcers start telling during the game right before the kick about how accurate kicker is that kicker often misses. When ESPN published articles last week about how this guy is cultural phenomenon in South Korea and all-pro kicker, he had no chance

South Korea is still china tbh, and the china boy choked. No excuse. :lol

your point is similar to "Steph Curry hasn't missed a free throw in 13 games and he's a 92% free throw shooter" and then he randomly misses a technical free throw for a defensive three seconds. But neither are really valid.

[DAF86]

thank you fat china boy for missing that kick tbh.

That actually hurt Mahomes chances. Koo hits that and, either Mahomes gets 40 yards in 10 seconds, or Game goes to overtime and Mahomes gets 70 more yards and one more TD.

[MultiTroll]

That actually hurt Mahomes chances. Koo hits that and, either Mahomes gets 40 yards in 10 seconds, or Game goes to overtime and Mahomes gets 70 more yards and one more TD.
Ah but it preserved my parlay.

Chiefs are taking on an *aura* of previous teams that had phenomenal luck with other teams choking. Skunkies in MLB, Pattycakes (in addition to cheating and refs), Lakers (even with the all time rig an earlier game all the Kings had to do was rebound the damn ball. Instead the Robert Horry fluke (not the shot he's Ice Robert) but getting the shot attempt.

Now it's like opponents with a chance to beat the Chiefs invariably have some uber brain fart.
Still the best team and it's not close.
:lol Philbillie Rivers blows a chance to send Rothy and the Steelers farther back.

[Millennial_Messiah]

That actually hurt Mahomes chances. Koo hits that and, either Mahomes gets 40 yards in 10 seconds, or Game goes to overtime and Mahomes gets 70 more yards and one more TD.
Or perhaps the Falcons win the coin toss and Mahomes never sees the ball, ya know like the 18-19 AFCCG ..demoralizing.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Ah but it preserved my parlay.

Chiefs are taking on an *aura* of previous teams that had phenomenal luck with other teams choking. Skunkies in MLB, Pattycakes (in addition to cheating and refs), Lakers (even with the all time rig an earlier game all the Kings had to do was rebound the damn ball. Instead the Robert Horry fluke (not the shot he's Ice Robert) but getting the shot attempt.

Now it's like opponents with a chance to beat the Chiefs invariably have some uber brain fart.
Still the best team and it's not close.
:lol Philbillie Rivers blows a chance to send Rothy and the Steelers farther back.
the thing that pissed me off is Sacramento had a 26 point lead and the Losers were dead in the water until that big fat guy (Samaki Walker) made a 3 from near halfcourt at the end of the first half that shouldn't have counted because it was way after the buzzer. But instant replay on those didn't come until that summer following the Losers' cheat-y three peat in '02.

Those 3 points, that should not have counted, were the difference in the game and the series... otherwise Horry's shot is virtually meaningless, the Kings make some free throws and go up 3-1, L.A. is dead, Shaq probably demands a trade then and there and Kirby perhaps retires with a sorry 2 championship legacy.

If only.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Or perhaps the Falcons win the coin toss and Mahomes never sees the ball, ya know like the 18-19 AFCCG ..demoralizing.
Perhaps not. Have you not seen Atlanta’s uncanny choking ability this year?

[DAF86]

Or perhaps the Falcons win the coin toss and Mahomes never sees the ball, ya know like the 18-19 AFCCG ..demoralizing.

It's the Falcons vs the Chiefs. We all knew the Chiefs where winning that game no matter what. :lol

[DAF86]

Perhaps not. Have you not seen Atlanta’s uncanny choking ability this year?

This year only? :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Perhaps not. Have you not seen Atlanta’s uncanny choking ability this year?

:lmao

[Millennial_Messiah]

This year only? :lol

Stole my post. Marry me? <3

[DAF86]

Stole my post. Marry me? <3

Keldon Johnson, is that You?

[Benoit]

I don't respect Mahomes simply because Alex Smith looked good in that system, and Mahomes wasn't anything coming out of college.

Rodgers is better.

[spurraider21]

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[DAF86]

1- Aaron Rodgers - 4059 yds (270.6 ypg) - 44 TDs - 5 INTs - 70.3 compt% - 145 rushing yds (9.7 ypg) - 3 rushing TDs - 4 fumbles - 119.4 QBR - 83.9 TQBR
2- Pat Mahomes - 4740 yds (316 ypg) - 38 TDs - 6 INTS - 66.3 compt% - 287 rushing yds (20.5 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 5 fumbles - 108.2 QBR - 82.7 TQBR
3- Josh Allen - 4320 yds (288 ypg) - 34 TDs - 9 INTs - 69.1 compt % - 418 rushing yds (27.9 ypg) - 8 rushing TDs - 9 fumbles - 12 receiving yards - 1 receiving TD - 106.4 QBR - 81.6 TQBR
4- Russell Wilson - 4031 yds (268.7 ypg) - 38 TDs - 13 INTs - 69.7 compt % - 484 rushing yds (32.3 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 7 fumbles - 106.3 QBR - 73.1 TQBR
5- Derrick Henry - 1777 rushing yds (118.5 ypg) - 5.2 ypc - 15 rushing TDs - 1 fumble - 114 receiving yds (7.6 ypg) - 6 ypr - 0 receiving TDs

[DAF86]

I'm giving it to Rodgers because he's the one with the better statistical season, and the MVP really is all about that, not about who the real most valuable player is. That to me is Mahomes, tbh. No other guy would have the Chiefs 14-1 with that shitty ass offensive line. Some QB's might have the awareness and mobility to escape constant pressure, but only Mahomes has the field vision and ability to complete throws from any arm angle and from any plataform. No other guy can throw a perfect 40 yards bomb with 3 guys on his face while backpedalling for 7, 8 steps. I used to think a guy like Wilson could easily be replicating what Mahomes is doing if being put on the same situation, but after seeing all of his games this season, I'm finally starting to appreciate just how special this guy is.

[DAF86]

Also, Allen has totals of 4750 yards and 43 TDs. He's closer to Rodgers and Mahomes than people give him credit for.

[FrostKing]

No other guy can throw a perfect 40 yards bomb with 3 guys on his face while backpedalling for 7, 8 steps.
It's cute you think he is the only QB capable. Like he's the only one able to throw a no look pass to a Tight End (!)

No other QB has the privilege or "swag" arrogance to attempt that knowing it could cost their team the game, division etc. Mahomes knows he will get bailed out by his loaded roster and playing in that division.

Mahomes is the Curry of the NFL. Great player but immensely privileged.

[Blake]

I don't respect Mahomes simply because Alex Smith looked good in that system, and Mahomes wasn't anything coming out of college.

Rodgers is better.

:lmao

[DAF86]

It's cute you think he is the only QB capable. Like he's the only one able to throw a no look pass to a Tight End (!)

No other QB has the privilege or "swag" arrogance to attempt that knowing it could cost their team the game, division etc. Mahomes knows he will get bailed out by his loaded roster and playing in that division.

Mahomes is the Curry of the NFL. Great player but immensely privileged.

Who said anything about no-look passes? Honest question, how many guys you know that escape the pressure by backpedalling for like 10-15 yards and, without even setting their feet, hit a 40 yards bomb on the money?

[i'm_still_beta]

Rodgers wins

[DAF86]

New year has been busier than all 2020 combined so I haven't had the chance to update any of this shit I did this year. But, yeah, Rodgers is the MVP, imho.

[DAF86]

MVP: Aaron Rodgers - 4299 yds (268.7 ypg) - 48 TDs - 5 INTs - 70.7 compt% - 149 rushing yds (9.3 ypg) - 3 rushing TDs - 4 fumbles - 121.5 QBR - 84.4 TQBR

Rodgers has been greatly inflated on his comparisson with Mahomes, mainly on the supporting cast department. Sure, Mahomes has Hill and Kelce, but Rodgers has Adams and Tonyan, who are both pro-bowl type players in their own right. The difference is that Rodgers also has a running game and the best O-line in the game, who, imho, are the most important players for an offense after the QB. With good enough pass protection, receivers will get open eventually. He clearly has the best supporting cast of any QB in the league, imho. That being said, Rodgers just put up one of the greatest individual seasons ever and he clearly deserves the award.


2- Pat Mahomes - 4740 yds (316 ypg) - 38 TDs - 6 INTS - 66.3 compt% - 287 rushing yds (20.5 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 5 fumbles - 108.2 QBR - 82.7 TQBR

Mahomes' season is being hugely underrated. Folks are even ranking Allen and Henry over him, that's just ridiculous. The dude just virtually put up a 5k yards/40 TD/ 6 INTS season with only 1 loss. In my eyes, he was trully the most valuable player of this season (I don't see any other guy going 14-1 behind that below average O-line); but MVP doesn't go to the actual most valuable player in the league, it goes to the guy that put up the greatest statistical season, and that was clearly Rodgers.


3- Josh Allen - 4544 yds (288 ypg) - 37 TDs - 10 INTs - 69.2 compt % - 421 rushing yds (26.3 ypg) - 8 rushing TDs - 9 fumbles - 12 receiving yards - 1 receiving TD - 107.2 QBR - 81.7 TQBR

4977 total yards and 46 total TD's. That's an instant MVP on any other season.


4- Derrick Henry - 2027 rushing yds (126.7 ypg) - 5.4 ypc - 17 rushing TDs - 3 fumbles - 114 receiving yds (7.1 ypg) - 6 ypr - 0 receiving TDs

Running backs aren't really all that valuable, imvho, but these numbers are just impossible to ignore on today's NFL. If anything, he deserves props for managing such a workload without his knees exploding.

5- Russell Wilson - 4212 yds (263.3 ypg) - 40 TDs - 13 INTs - 68.8 compt % - 513 rushing yds (32.1 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 7 fumbles - 105.1 QBR - 73.7 TQBR

Whatever happened to this guy on the second half of the season.

[DAF86]

Historically great MVP race, tbh. We have 4 guys that would have won the award in 90% of the other seasons. No fans in the stadium might have had something to do with it, imho.

[i'm_still_beta]

MVP: Aaron Rodgers - 4299 yds (268.7 ypg) - 48 TDs - 5 INTs - 70.7 compt% - 149 rushing yds (9.3 ypg) - 3 rushing TDs - 4 fumbles - 121.5 QBR - 84.4 TQBR

Rodgers has been greatly inflated on his comparisson with Mahomes, mainly on the supporting cast department. Sure, Mahomes has Hill and Kelce, but Rodgers has Adams and Tonyan, who are both pro-bowl type players in their own right. The difference is that Rodgers also has a running game and the best O-line in the game, who, imho, are the most important players for an offense after the QB. With good enough pass protection, receivers will get open eventually. He clearly has the best supporting cast of any QB in the league, imho. That being said, Rodgers just put up one of the greatest individual seasons ever and he clearly deserves the award.


2- Pat Mahomes - 4740 yds (316 ypg) - 38 TDs - 6 INTS - 66.3 compt% - 287 rushing yds (20.5 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 5 fumbles - 108.2 QBR - 82.7 TQBR

Mahomes' season is being hugely underrated. Folks are even ranking Allen and Henry over him, that's just ridiculous. The dude just virtually put up a 5k yards/40 TD/ 6 INTS season with only 1 loss. In my eyes, he was trully the most valuable player of this season (I don't see any other guy going 14-1 behind that below average O-line); but MVP doesn't go to the actual most valuable player in the league, it goes to the guy that put up the greatest statistical season, and that was clearly Rodgers.


3- Josh Allen - 4544 yds (288 ypg) - 37 TDs - 10 INTs - 69.2 compt % - 421 rushing yds (26.3 ypg) - 8 rushing TDs - 9 fumbles - 12 receiving yards - 1 receiving TD - 107.2 QBR - 81.7 TQBR

4977 total yard and 46 total TD's. That's an instant MVP on any other season.


4- Derrick Henry - 2027 rushing yds (126.7 ypg) - 5.4 ypc - 17 rushing TDs - 3 fumbles - 114 receiving yds (7.1 ypg) - 6 ypr - 0 receiving TDs

Running backs aren't really all that valuable, imvho, but these numbers are just impossible to ignore on today's NFL. If anything, he deserves props for managing such a workload without his knees exploding.

5- Russell Wilson - 4212 yds (263.3 ypg) - 40 TDs - 13 INTs - 68.8 compt % - 513 rushing yds (32.1 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 7 fumbles - 105.1 QBR - 73.7 TQBR

Whatever happened to this guy on the second half of the season.

Great resume. Not sure if Wilson is top 5 though.

Great points about Mahomes vs Rodgers. Mahomes underperformed in the last weeks tbh. But he had some great comebacks and helped to protect a lot of small leads. He was extremely valuable. It felt like he was winning games for Chiefs. Mahomes is the better qb now imho. He has almost perfect skillset. He's not as pinpoint accurate as Rodgers, but he gets better in this regard every season.

[DAF86]

Great resume. Not sure if Wilson is top 5 though.

Great points about Mahomes vs Rodgers. Mahomes underperformed in the last weeks tbh. But he had some great comebacks and helped to protect a lot of small leads. He was extremely valuable. It felt like he was winning games for Chiefs. Mahomes is the better qb now imho. He has almost perfect skillset. He's not as pinpoint accurate as Rodgers, but he gets better in this regard every season.

I almost put Tompa Tom over Russell, but comparing their numbers, Russell has the better QBR, TQBR and passing %. Add to that what he can do with his feet and I ended up going with Wilson.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I almost put Tompa Tom over Russell, but comparing their numbers, Russell has the better QBR, TQBR and passing %. Add to that what he can do with his feet and I ended up going with Wilson.

IMO that will be the NFC championship game. Tom vs Russ. Best two teams in the NFC. Saints have a tendency to lay eggs in the playoffs and the Packers are frauds.

[Millennial_Messiah]

MVP: Aaron Rodgers - 4299 yds (268.7 ypg) - 48 TDs - 5 INTs - 70.7 compt% - 149 rushing yds (9.3 ypg) - 3 rushing TDs - 4 fumbles - 121.5 QBR - 84.4 TQBR

Rodgers has been greatly inflated on his comparisson with Mahomes, mainly on the supporting cast department. Sure, Mahomes has Hill and Kelce, but Rodgers has Adams and Tonyan, who are both pro-bowl type players in their own right. The difference is that Rodgers also has a running game and the best O-line in the game, who, imho, are the most important players for an offense after the QB. With good enough pass protection, receivers will get open eventually. He clearly has the best supporting cast of any QB in the league, imho. That being said, Rodgers just put up one of the greatest individual seasons ever and he clearly deserves the award.


2- Pat Mahomes - 4740 yds (316 ypg) - 38 TDs - 6 INTS - 66.3 compt% - 287 rushing yds (20.5 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 5 fumbles - 108.2 QBR - 82.7 TQBR

Mahomes' season is being hugely underrated. Folks are even ranking Allen and Henry over him, that's just ridiculous. The dude just virtually put up a 5k yards/40 TD/ 6 INTS season with only 1 loss. In my eyes, he was trully the most valuable player of this season (I don't see any other guy going 14-1 behind that below average O-line); but MVP doesn't go to the actual most valuable player in the league, it goes to the guy that put up the greatest statistical season, and that was clearly Rodgers.


3- Josh Allen - 4544 yds (288 ypg) - 37 TDs - 10 INTs - 69.2 compt % - 421 rushing yds (26.3 ypg) - 8 rushing TDs - 9 fumbles - 12 receiving yards - 1 receiving TD - 107.2 QBR - 81.7 TQBR

4977 total yards and 46 total TD's. That's an instant MVP on any other season.


4- Derrick Henry - 2027 rushing yds (126.7 ypg) - 5.4 ypc - 17 rushing TDs - 3 fumbles - 114 receiving yds (7.1 ypg) - 6 ypr - 0 receiving TDs

Running backs aren't really all that valuable, imvho, but these numbers are just impossible to ignore on today's NFL. If anything, he deserves props for managing such a workload without his knees exploding.

5- Russell Wilson - 4212 yds (263.3 ypg) - 40 TDs - 13 INTs - 68.8 compt % - 513 rushing yds (32.1 ypg) - 2 rushing TDs - 7 fumbles - 105.1 QBR - 73.7 TQBR

Whatever happened to this guy on the second half of the season.
Henry came out the same year as Zeke... wtf happened to Zeke, tbh?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Just like 2011, Fraudgers is going to win MVP and then go one and done despite a gaudy record and the #1 NFC seed :lol

[MultiTroll]

I'm giving it to Rodgers because he's the one with the better statistical season, and the MVP really is all about that, not about who the real most valuable player is. That to me is Mahomes, tbh.

:lol AP sports media writers.

Agree it's Patty. Nice year by Twinkle Toes but no ones doing it like Patty right now.