No doubt, Joe Biden won the debate, but...

[Millennial_Messiah]

Joe Biden won the debate, mostly by default, because Trump couldn't stop shooting himself in the foot last night.

It's strange because Trump performed MUCH better in his debates vs. Hillary. Perhaps he's out of practice. If this were a football game, Joe Biden won 31-17 with a ton of special teams mistakes by Trump squad.

Trump is clearly out of practice. You don't interrupt the moderator in the middle of his sentence every other time. You don't interrupt your opponent in the middle of his opening two-minute speech. You don't argue with the moderator directly like that. You don't come off harsh, angry, and aggressive. You don't interrupt your opponent every other sentence. You don't say crap like "I don't know Beau, but..." when he obviously knows about his military vet son that died young of brain cancer. You don't fail to denounce the KKK and white supremacy.

Biden made his share of mistakes, but, ironically, Trump actually helped him make LESS mistakes. Biden was stumbling and fumbling, but... Trump chronically interrupting him helped Biden get back on track and formulate concise, smooth statements that were addressed to the people, versus Trump's "attack Joe Biden at all costs, throw salt on the wound" strategy. Like Trump was going for it on 4th down & 13 all game long and it backfired. Ouch.

Biden's worst mistake was completely dodging the end of the opening stanza in Wallace's question regarding packing the courts and the like. Biden outright REFUSED to answer a yes-or-no question and circumvented it. That was a touchdown for Trump. And the final stanza, regarding the mail-in balloting, Trump won as well, because Biden's arguments for why there wouldn't be any mail-in fraud were very weak, and Trump actually (!) didn't interrupt Biden in Biden's opening 2-minute monologue in the final stanza.

However, it was too little, too late, and Trump's frequent interruptions, treating the moderator like manure and laughable violations of common debate standards (main problem) paired with his dodging of the white supremacy question (secondary problem) points to a clear Joe Biden victory for Debate I.

[Will Hunting]

There's no evidence that mail-in voting leads to wide scale fraud. Facts don't care about your feelings.

[Millennial_Messiah]

There's no evidence that mail-in voting leads to wide scale fraud. Facts don't care about your feelings.

Just pointing out that Trump's arguments were stronger and Biden, on the defensive, did not make a strong defensive retort to this besides "no evidence, blah blah blah"... 'no evidence' is not exoneration; he did not identify specific strategies that would prove to the US people that mail-in would be a 100% fraud-proof method of voting, which is what a lot of people including myself were looking for.

Also, early voting all the way into September is a farce, and should never happen again. COVID or not, it shouldn't have happened this time. Early voting should be a 2 week maximum and ALL VOTES MUST BE IN by Election Night or they should not count. Absentee ballots from the military overseas can be sent a few weeks early so they can get to the appropriate state ballot by or before Election Night. But there is no way that states shouldn't be able to be called by midnight local time on Election Night.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Trump is clearly out of practice. You don't interrupt the moderator in the middle of his sentence every other time. You don't interrupt your opponent in the middle of his opening two-minute speech. You don't argue with the moderator directly like that. You don't come off harsh, angry, and aggressive. You don't interrupt your opponent every other sentence.

Hey everyone, I found the guy who accurately remembers 2016's debates /s

[Millennial_Messiah]

Also, Trump's healthcare defense arguments were absolutely weak and atrocious. No question Biden won the middle stanzas. "I have a beautiful healthcare plan"... WHAT? Be specific, man. Biden was being much more specific but he had a hard time completing sentences because Trump kept interrupting him calling him a socialist saying that he'd institute a socialized healthcare system like Bernie or Europe. Trump was being such an idiot there.

[pgardn]

Based on the little I saw all it’s going to do is harden positions already in place.
we have known health care, and the biggest bestest plan, was a farce for his entire presidency. He had nothing and people know this, it’s just a matter of whether they care or not. I think this too was decided while ago. It is possible that people change their mind as some of the bills start trickling in, but most of this is going to happen a bit later.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Based on the little I saw all it’s going to do is harden positions already in place.
we have known health care, and the biggest bestest plan, was a farce for his entire presidency. He had nothing and people know this, it’s just a matter of whether they care or not. I think this too was decided while ago. It is possible that people change their mind as some of the bills start trickling in, but most of this is going to happen a bit later.
they need to cancel any ideas of a 2nd stimulus, both trump and pelosi. The less government spending the better, BALANCE THE BUDGET YOU DUMB FUCKS

[Will Hunting]

Just pointing out that Trump's arguments were stronger and Biden, on the defensive, did not make a strong defensive retort to this besides "no evidence, blah blah blah"... 'no evidence' is not exoneration; he did not identify specific strategies that would prove to the US people that mail-in would be a 100% fraud-proof method of voting, which is what a lot of people including myself were looking for.

Also, early voting all the way into September is a farce, and should never happen again. COVID or not, it shouldn't have happened this time. Early voting should be a 2 week maximum and ALL VOTES MUST BE IN by Election Night or they should not count. Absentee ballots from the military overseas can be sent a few weeks early so they can get to the appropriate state ballot by or before Election Night. But there is no way that states shouldn't be able to be called by midnight local time on Election Night.
No evidence is the only argument he needs. The burden of proof is on Trump to provide evidence, you can add "blah blah blah" all you want to try and make the no evidence argument sound less credible but that doesn't change the fact there is no evidence.

States have authority under the constitution to conduct elections as they want to. You can make up arbitrary rules to suppress votes all you want but states are thankfully ignoring what Trumptards want.

The biggest reason states won't be called by election night is because Republican-controlled state legislatures in several states (Pennsylvania being one of them) refuse to change the law that currently prohibits counting mail-in ballots prior to election day. Per usual, you're falling for right wing propaganda and blaming Democrats for something that Republican state legislatures are actually doing.

[Will Hunting]

they need to cancel any ideas of a 2nd stimulus, both trump and pelosi. The less government spending the better, BALANCE THE BUDGET YOU DUMB FUCKS
The budget grew under Trump before COVID. Republicans love deficit spending a lot more than Democrats do.

[Millennial_Messiah]

No evidence is the only argument he needs. The burden of proof is on Trump to provide evidence, you can add "blah blah blah" all you want to try and make the no evidence argument sound less credible but that doesn't change the fact there is no evidence.

States have authority under the constitution to conduct elections as they want to. You can make up arbitrary rules to suppress votes all you want but states are thankfully ignoring what Trumptards want.

The biggest reason states won't be called by election night is because Republican-controlled state legislatures in several states (Pennsylvania being one of them) refuse to change the law that currently prohibits counting mail-in ballots prior to election day. Per usual, you're falling for right wing propaganda and blaming Democrats for something that Republican state legislatures are actually doing.
Yeah, and if Trump has, say, a 48-44% lead in mail-in ballot swing states like Pennsylvania and Michigan, and then the mail-ins trickle in and he ends up losing in those states by, say, less than 1%, he's going to cry foul, investigate, recount, and attempt to seize long-term power of the country as a last resort. I see it happening already.

[Millennial_Messiah]

The budget grew under Trump before COVID. Republicans love deficit spending a lot more than Democrats do.

At least Romney (the only US presidential vote I actually physically cast for) stressed balance the budget... which is an actual tangible objective. "Make america great again..."... what the fuck does that mean? That's subjective BS.

[Will Hunting]

Yeah, and if Trump has, say, a 48-44% lead in mail-in ballot swing states like Pennsylvania and Michigan, and then the mail-ins trickle in and he ends up losing in those states by, say, less than 1%, he's going to cry foul, investigate, recount, and attempt to seize long-term power of the country as a last resort. I see it happening already.
Precisely why the state legislatures controlled by your party refuse to change the law, they want to give Trump an avenue to throw the election into chaos and claim it was rigged.

[Will Hunting]

At least Romney (the only US presidential vote I actually physically cast for) stressed balance the budget... which is an actual tangible objective. "Make america great again..."... what the fuck does that mean? That's subjective BS.
Romney provided no specifics beyond how he was going to beyond "cut loopholes and deductions!" without saying what the loopholes and deductions were. Trump also said he'd cut the deficit but in the end he just cut taxes for rich people which is the same thing Shitt Romney would have done.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Precisely why the state legislatures controlled by your party refuse to change the law, they want to give Trump an avenue to throw the election into chaos and claim it was rigged.
Agreed, but I wouldn't call it "my party"-- I'm opposed to the two party system; as I am a right-leaning libertarian, not a traditional Republican per se. I think Trump has done some good things, especially on the economy and foreign policy but the Covid stuff especially the stimulus has been laughably bad.

The silver lining for the GOP for a Biden/Harris victory is that the Republicans have a good chance to hold the Senate in 2022 with a lot of swing state seats up for grabs then, while a Trump re-election victory almost guarantees that those guys lose in two years.

[JamStone]

I agree with your explanation, but I would re-phrase the thread title differently.

I don’t believe Biden won the debate. I don’t believe he performed particularly well or impressively. More accurately, in my opinion, I believe Trump lost the debate.

Trump LA Clippered himself. It was an astonishing thing to watch, not in a good way.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Romney provided no specifics beyond how he was going to beyond "cut loopholes and deductions!" without saying what the loopholes and deductions were. Trump also said he'd cut the deficit but in the end he just cut taxes for rich people which is the same thing Shitt Romney would have done.

Biden is right the corporate tax rate should be 28% not 21% for fortune 1000 companies, but individual taxes shouldn't be raised unless it's at least a million a year. $400,000 is too harsh. Especially if you have multiple jobs and children that add up to that much or a little more. Realistically, in many parts of the US, 400k a year is barely middle class.

I do think that loopholes and deductions for big corporations should be exterminated for the most part.... there should be a net profit cap.

[Will Hunting]

I agree with your explanation, but I would re-phrase the thread title differently.

I don’t believe Biden won the debate. I don’t believe he performed particularly well or impressively. More accurately, in my opinion, I believe Trump lost the debate.

Trump LA Clippered himself. It was an astonishing thing to watch, not in a good way.
Yeah Biden looked like a weak old man who couldn't control a 12 year old off his ritalin. Trump lobbed countless hanging curveballs at him that he whiffed on.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I agree with your explanation, but I would re-phrase the thread title differently.

I don’t believe Biden won the debate. I don’t believe he performed particularly well or impressively. More accurately, in my opinion, I believe Trump lost the debate.

Trump LA Clippered himself. It was an astonishing thing to watch, not in a good way.

If a guy throws 2 pick sixes and has 2 fumbles, your team still 'lost' the game, even if it was self-destruction. The other team may have won by 'default', but a win is a win IMO.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yeah Biden looked like a weak old man who couldn't control a 12 year old off his ritalin. Trump lobbed countless hanging curveballs at him that he whiffed on.

You mean Wallace, tbh? :lol

[Isitjustme?]

Dang, even OP thinks Trump lost

[lefty]

Didn't watch because I'm not into reality shows, but I read that both sucked

[hater]

Both teams lost :tu

:lmao Bernie trending on twitter :lol

[Will Hunting]

You mean Wallace, tbh? :lol
No, I mean Trump. There were multiple times Trump opened himself up to a no brainer attack from Biden but Biden couldn't hit on it.

This was definitely a missed opportunity for Trump more so than Biden though. Biden was clearly unprepared for Trump's antics and if Trump played it better he could have induced Biden to go into a stuttering frenzy. I don't see Biden being nearly as unprepared for the 2nd and 3rd debates now. Debating Trump is kinda like being a quarterback coming off an injury, you need to get hit a few times before you fully feel like you're back in the game.

Trump also needs to be a lot more careful bickering with female moderators than with Wallace, he's underwater with women.

[Isitjustme?]

Didn't watch because I'm not into reality shows, but I read that both sucked

Stick to getting triggered by Michael Jordan being alive still

[Millennial_Messiah]

No, I mean Trump. There were multiple times Trump opened himself up to a no brainer attack from Biden but Biden couldn't hit on it.

This was definitely a missed opportunity for Trump more so than Biden though. Biden was clearly unprepared for Trump's antics and if Trump played it better he could have induced Biden to go into a stuttering frenzy. I don't see Biden being nearly as unprepared for the 2nd and 3rd debates now. Debating Trump is kinda like being a quarterback coming off an injury, you need to get hit a few times before you fully feel like you're back in the game.

Trump also needs to be a lot more careful bickering with female moderators than with Wallace, he's underwater with women.
Agree on these points; if there's a female moderator he best not interrupt and belittle her; and Biden's biggest chance to lose big was last night. Biden team and the DNC should be elated even if it was a stalemate, because they should be even or better in the second and third debates. Of course, there's always the chance that Biden completely stumbles and fumbles in one of the next two-- it's a lot more likely to happen to him than to Trump.

If Trump cleaned up the chronic interruptions, he should still have the upper hand in the remaining debates because Biden's answers are generally weak, but Biden is definitely "back in the game".

[DMC]

It's not about getting a clear message across about your plan (that you likely won't follow through on if elected). It's about getting the message through that your opponent is the worst thing imaginable. This is likely geared toward getting more of your base to vote than swinging any votes.

[DMC]

Both teams lost :tu

:lmao Bernie trending on twitter :lol

Maybe he'll win in the afterlife.

[Will Hunting]

It's not about getting a clear message across about your plan (that you likely won't follow through on if elected). It's about getting the message through that your opponent is the worst thing imaginable. This is likely geared toward getting more of your base to vote than swinging any votes.
:lol I like how the undecided voters they interview after each debate always say :cry I didn't hear enough about each candidate's plan :cry because they think it makes them sound meticulous and intellectual when we know those fucking retards cast votes for frivolous reasons that have nothing to do with which candidate has the better plan.

[Dirks_Finale]

This debate was an absolute sh1tshow. Any substance therein was nullified by all the personal attacks and talking over each other. Seems as though both these guys missed key opportunities to call out the other on certain issues.

I saw no winner, tbh. This debate was 2020 in a nutshell...full of anger, frustration and division.

Chris Wallace...he should never be allowed to host another debate.

So, Trump is trailing and needed a big blow that he did not get. So in that regard you could say Biden won as he's just trying to run out the clock.

[hater]

Didnt watch the shitshow (had much better things to do) but this is my assessment from what I read:
- Dump was an obnoxious child interrupting everyone (even himself :lol). Really unlikeable.
- Biden did cross the very low bar that was set, and also thats Dumps fault as he helped lower that bar.
- Dump bailed out Biden when he started rambling. A mistake
- Biden missed many chances to deliver a power punch after Dump opened himself up with a stupid statement or lie. Missed chances, but hes senile so this is on the DNC
- the debate outcome is not much different than Hillary vs Trump in 16. Both teams lost. Technical double knockout in the 12th :lol
- Dump is really really unlikeable. I am secretly rooting for a Biden win just to see him gtfo
- my call stands. Trump will win 2020

[Millennial_Messiah]

Maybe he'll win in the afterlife.

But Bernie is an atheist. :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol I like how the undecided voters they interview after each debate always say :cry I didn't hear enough about each candidate's plan :cry because they think it makes them sound meticulous and intellectual when we know those fucking retards cast votes for frivolous reasons that have nothing to do with which candidate has the better plan.
Maybe they should have picked Kamala instead as the lead horse? Bet she would'a made Trump look silly.

[Dirks_Finale]

Looked like Joe was wearing a wire on his right side. You can see him fiddling with it at times. And it looked like he was trying to listen to Wallace and whoever was speaking to him electronically, simultaneously, and he would miss things that were being said by Wallace or Trump. Or maybe it was just the senior moments kicking in.



Didnt watch the shitshow (had much better things to do) but this is my assessment from what I read:
- Dump was an obnoxious child interrupting everyone (even himself :lol). Really unlikeable.
- Biden did cross the very low bar that was set, and also thats Dumps fault as he helped lower that bar.
- Dump bailed out Biden when he started rambling. A mistake
- Biden missed many chances to deliver a power punch after Dump opened himself up with a stupid statement or lie. Missed chances, but hes senile so this is on the DNC
- the debate outcome is not much different than Hillary vs Trump in 16. Both teams lost. Technical double knockout in the 12th :lol
- Dump is really really unlikeable. I am secretly rooting for a Biden win just to see him gtfo
- my call stands. Trump will win 2020

[hater]

Maybe they should have picked Kamala instead as the lead horse? Bet she would'a made Trump look silly.

Gross. Kopmala is horrid. It would have been hillary vs trump all over again. Gross

[Millennial_Messiah]

Gross. Kopmala is horrid. It would have been hillary vs trump all over again. Gross

Except Kamala is an actual woman candidate, with a not-so-prominent husband and didn't need to be propped up by men... unlike Hillary who lived off the success of Slick Willy and is an alleged dyke.

[hater]

Except Kamala is an actual woman candidate, with a not-so-prominent husband and didn't need to be propped up by men... unlike Hillary who lived off the success of Slick Willy and is an alleged dyke.

Disagreed

Hillary was the dominant one in the clinton couple.

She also was sole owner of the DNC and they did her bidding. Dont forget she was also sec of state.

As a dominant woman hillary >>>>> kopmala

Kopmala is Hillary lite.

[Ef-man]

Biggest take away was what trump insinuated if he does not win.

He kept talking about voter wide fraud that was going to happen and that he would take action on that. Veiled threat from sitting president who tells violent right group, stand down and standby, should not make anyone comfortable that this election will end.

[hater]

Biggest take away was what trump insinuated if he does not win.

He kept talking about voter wide fraud that was going to happen and that he would take action on that. Veiled threat from sitting president who tells violent right group, stand down and standby, should not make anyone comfortable that this election will end.

Its just hot air

Dont fall for it

[DMX7]

I'm not sure there was a winner in this debate but that still favors Biden because he is winning in the polls and in fundraising, so Biden doesn't need a bounce from this. Trump does.

[ducks]

Cuomo's office reportedly pushing against sending new ballots after voters received mismarked envelopes

[DMX7]

Its just hot air

Dont fall for it

I'm kind of falling for it. :lol

At the very least do you think he might not accept the result if he loses? Even if he isn't calling for action on the streets?

[KobesAchilles]

we are fucked as a country either way boys. :smokin

[Will Hunting]

I'm kind of falling for it. :lol

At the very least do you think he might not accept the result if he loses? Even if he isn't calling for action on the streets?
The amount of people taking action on the streets are going to be a lot smaller than he'd like to think. It's not like his entire base is going to stage a well orchestrated coup. You'll have several thousand boogaloo boys disbursed throughout the country out on the streets and they'll be easily contained by law enforcement.

[FrostKing]

I think Trump managed to get Biden engaged in a pissing contest. In the process eliminating the moral high ground and class he alleged to hold.

I imagine non-whites watched last night and saw two old white guys mansplaining.

Trump has an uncanny ability of getting people down to his level.

[Millennial_Messiah]

The amount of people taking action on the streets are going to be a lot smaller than he'd like to think. It's not like his entire base is going to stage a well orchestrated coup. You'll have several thousand boogaloo boys disbursed throughout the country out on the streets and they'll be easily contained by law enforcement.

Then they'll move to Europe or Canada or whatever in protest and proceed to complain about the "socialism" there.

[Will Hunting]

Then they'll move to Europe or Canada or whatever in protest and proceed to complain about the "socialism" there.
They'll threaten to move to Canada or Europe like the Hillary supporters did after 2016 but then never will :lol

[hater]

I'm kind of falling for it. :lol

At the very least do you think he might not accept the result if he loses? Even if he isn't calling for action on the streets?

Sure he will not accept..but he will be vacating the white house at the scheduled time regardless. He might even tweet as he boards the chopper out of dc :lol the marines that help him into the chopper will behave same way they have behaved for decades


Its just hot air

Dont fall for it


Do ppl really think the military would side with Dump if he loses???? :lmao

:lol rookies

[MultiTroll]

How about Dunce being asked about his own top advisers saying no way no how the vaccine is coming out in 2 weeks (or whatever the hell fork tongue promised).

He proceeds to suck Big Pharm cock and spout how "they have told me much sooner then that". As if Big Pharm should be given an ounce of cred.

[Darth_Pelican]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/120490188_3747140338665960_6008011948602861397_o.j pg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=M-o5_oyLL_cAX_ArrrU&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=31a8e0a5d23d79b81e92532291b7bccb&oe=5F9BE326

[Will Hunting]

Sure he will not accept..but he will be vacating the white house at the scheduled time regardless. He might even tweet as he boards the chopper out of dc :lol the marines that help him into the chopper will behave same way they have behaved for decades


Its just hot air

Dont fall for it


Do ppl really think the military would side with Dump if he loses???? :lmao

:lol rookies
Yup. We've already seen it this week. Trump tried to send his goons into a Philadelphia voting precinct to "poll watch." After they weren't allowed in, all Trump did was cry about it on twitter.

[hater]

Yup. We've already seen it this week. Trump tried to send his goons into a Philadelphia voting precinct to "poll watch." After they weren't allowed in, all Trump did was cry about it on twitter.

:lmao key being "they were not allowed..."

[Will Hunting]

:lmao key being "they were not allowed..."
I know. I was agreeing with you dude...

[hater]

I know. I was agreeing with you dude...

:tu

[Will Hunting]

Fortunately as fucked up as the constitution is in other respects, the founding fathers did a pretty good job making it so elections were handled at the state/county level and very disconnected from the president.

Sure we've had situations like Florida 2000 where a Republican governor and secretary of state created an intentionally confusing ballot to help one candidate over the other, but it's actually remarkable how this country's election integrity has rarely ever been an issue prior to Trump.

[spurraider21]

But Bernie is an atheist. :lol
Based

[RandomGuy]

Just pointing out that Trump's arguments were stronger and Biden, on the defensive, did not make a strong defensive retort to this besides "no evidence, blah blah blah"... 'no evidence' is not exoneration; he did not identify specific strategies that would prove to the US people that mail-in would be a 100% fraud-proof method of voting, which is what a lot of people including myself were looking for.

Also, early voting all the way into September is a farce, and should never happen again. COVID or not, it shouldn't have happened this time. Early voting should be a 2 week maximum and ALL VOTES MUST BE IN by Election Night or they should not count. Absentee ballots from the military overseas can be sent a few weeks early so they can get to the appropriate state ballot by or before Election Night. But there is no way that states shouldn't be able to be called by midnight local time on Election Night.

There's no evidence that mail-in voting leads to wide scale fraud.

None.

Zero.

Zip.

Zilch.

Nada.

Nein.

Empty Set.

Trumps brainpan.

Thing about large, widespread fraud is that it leaves a lot of fucking evidence.

Do you have any fucking evidence of wide-spread fraud? Not talking about a few cases here and there, but systematic, large-scale fraud? I call bullshit. Link or walk.

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1311329064695799810?s=19

:lol

[ducks]

Voters, for the most part, “felt like nobody won” the first presidential debate between President Trump and Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, pollster Lee Carter told “Fox & Friends” on Wednesday.

“When I asked who they thought won last night, a third said Biden, a third said Trump and a third said no one,” Carter told host Steve Doocy.

“I’ve never seen a third of people who watched a debate think no one won and I think that was the general sentiment of independent voters, I think that was the general sentiment of people who were undecided.”

She went on to say, “I think if you were already shored up on Trump, you thought you’d see the best in him. If you’re shored up on Biden, you saw the best of him, but for the most part, I think people really felt like nobody won last night.”

Carter, the president of Maslansky & Partners, broadcast her "voter dials," which assessed the real-time reactions to the first presidential debate from voters across the political spectrum, rating candidates' statements from A to F.

Carter said voters analyzed the moment when Biden said, “I'm the Democratic Party right now” when talking about health care.

During Tuesday night’s debate Biden said, “One of the big debates we had with 23 of my colleagues trying to win the nomination that I won were saying that Biden wanted to allow people to have private insurance still. They can. They do. They will under my proposal.”

Trump hit back, “That’s not what you said and that’s not what your party has said.”

“That is simply a lie,” Biden responded.

Martha MacCallum and Bret Baier discuss Tuesday night's presidential debateVideo
Trump then said, “Your party wants to go socialist.”

“The party is me,” Biden said in response. “Right now I am the Democratic Party.”

“They are going to dominate you, Joe, you know that,” Trump then said.

“I am the Democratic Party right now,” Biden said again. “The platform of the Democratic Party is what I, in fact, approved of.”

Doocy noted that the blue line, which represents Democrats, “took a dip” during those statements.

“That's bad for him,” Doocy said.

“It is,” Carter said in response. “But at the end of the day, it was very, very important for him to clarify this.”

“People were not sure on which Joe Biden they’re getting,” she continued. “Is it going to be a progressive Joe Biden, a moderate Joe Biden, the Joe Biden they used to know, the Joe Biden that seems to be moving toward the left?”

“This is a really important moment for him and so Democrats gave it a B plus, Independents a C minus, Republicans, not surprisingly, an F,” Carter noted.

TRUMP-BIDEN PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IN CLEVELAND: TOP 5 MOMENTS

She stressed that “it was very important for Joe Biden to clarify who he was and what his candidacy was about.”

“This is the closest that people really got to an answer on what he’s all about,” Carter continued.

Doocy noted that President Trump “did very well with his base when he was talking about reopening the economy” as well as with independent voters.

During the debate Trump encouraged states to remain open, equating the shutdowns to “being in prison.”

“You look at what is going on with divorce, look at what is going on with alcoholism and drugs,” Trump said. “It's a very, very sad thing and he’ll [Biden will] close down the whole country. This guy will close down the whole country and destroy our country.”

Carter said that Republicans gave Trump an A on his economic stance, Independent voters gave him a B and Democrats gave him an F grade.

“This is not that surprising to me,” Carter said. “One of the worst moments that I have tested in Biden so far is when he said if things get bad again, I will shut it down. People do not want the economy to shut all the way down again.”

She stressed that people want to be “safe” and “protected,” but “want the economy open.”

Carter also analyzed the moment when Biden refused to answer the question about whether he supports packing the Supreme Court, a proposal that would expand the number of seats in the high court and allow Democrats to confirm more liberal justices.

[Reck]

Didnt watch the shitshow (had much better things to do) but this is my assessment from what I read:
- Dump was an obnoxious child interrupting everyone (even himself :lol). Really unlikeable.
- Biden did cross the very low bar that was set, and also thats Dumps fault as he helped lower that bar.
- Dump bailed out Biden when he started rambling. A mistake
- Biden missed many chances to deliver a power punch after Dump opened himself up with a stupid statement or lie. Missed chances, but hes senile so this is on the DNC
- the debate outcome is not much different than Hillary vs Trump in 16. Both teams lost. Technical double knockout in the 12th :lol
- Dump is really really unlikeable. I am secretly rooting for a Biden win just to see him gtfo
- my call stands. Trump will win 2020

You had better things to do like posting here all night? :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

I am making stock bets in my Roth that Democrats sweep the presidency and senate.

[Will Hunting]

I am making stock bets in my Roth that Democrats sweep the presidency and senate.
Smart, the betting markets shifted big in the last 24 hours, Biden went from a 54% chance to a 60% chance (RCP average). My guess is a lot of people were just waiting to make sure he could get through a debate without drooling on himself before betting that he'd win.

[Spurtacular]

Joe Biden won the debate, mostly by default, because Trump couldn't stop shooting himself in the foot last night.

Lay off the CNN / MSNBC.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I am making stock bets in my Roth that Democrats sweep the presidency and senate.

I don't think they win the Senate even if Biden and Harris win. I believe Joni Ernst and Thom Tillis hold and Biden wins by edging out in AZ, MI, PA but still losing FL, NC, OH to Trump.

[Spurtacular]

I think it was an L for Trump in that it could've been a much bigger W for him.

[spurraider21]

trump definitely could have won... biden didnt really do much to stand out or have any memorable moments. almost like he was just stuck in neutral the whole time and just waiting for trump to self destruct. basically bringing the basement strategy to the debate, letting trump get all the attention.

and at least for one debate, it worked. trump looked completely unhinged. biden could have done more to land shots and take advantage of trump's buffoonery, but just stayed passive to a fault

[DMC]

But Bernie is an atheist. :lol

Ergo

[DMC]

I thought the debate was great. It was like those two old men on the Muppets fighting about inane shit.

[Millennial_Messiah]

trump definitely could have won... biden didnt really do much to stand out or have any memorable moments. almost like he was just stuck in neutral the whole time and just waiting for trump to self destruct. basically bringing the basement strategy to the debate, letting trump get all the attention.

and at least for one debate, it worked. trump looked completely unhinged. biden could have done more to land shots and take advantage of trump's buffoonery, but just stayed passive to a fault
Trump broke the rules and treated chris wallace like a dog. If he was an athlete and Wallace was a referee, he would have been ejected by the second stanza.

[Dirks_Finale]

I don't think they win the Senate even if Biden and Harris win. I believe Joni Ernst and Thom Tillis hold and Biden wins by edging out in AZ, MI, PA but still losing FL, NC, OH to Trump.

Tillis is still down 6 in the RCP average. Wish I could share in your optimism.

[Dirks_Finale]

I am making stock bets in my Roth that Democrats sweep the presidency and senate.

I'm awaiting that sneaky October surprise that the Republicans are gonna drop on Biden around Oct 25th or so. :lol

If they have nothing, then this race looks to be over, tbh. Harris will be the President with free reign to do whatever she wants. They'll convert part of the White House into a bingo hall/nursing home and lock Joe in it for the next 4 years.

[Will Hunting]

Tillis is still down 6 in the RCP average. Wish I could share in your optimism.
He has all the red flags of a candidate who’s in trouble. Incumbent who can’t get above 45% in polls and barely won his race 6 years ago in what was a waive year for his party. Was never a popular or well liked candidate.

All the incumbent senators this year are just getting reemed on healthcare as far as I can tell. The Democrats got killed in 2010 and 2014 midterms over Obamacare, but the Republicans tried repealing it in such a haphazard way made it become popular afterwards. The Iowa senate debate earlier this week was a total shitshow but the one part where one candidate had a clear advantage was Greenfield destroying Ernst on healthcare.

I still think democrats need to pull 1-2 less likely races out of their ass if they want to nix the filibuster and get stuff done. A 50-51 senate majority isn’t going to be enough for them.

[Will Hunting]

I'm awaiting that sneaky October surprise that the Republicans are gonna drop on Biden around Oct 25th or so. :lol

If they have nothing, then this race looks to be over, tbh. Harris will be the President with free reign to do whatever she wants. They'll convert part of the White House into a bingo hall/nursing home and lock Joe in it for the next 4 years.
Biden just doesn’t seem like someone where that material is out there. Outside of the fact he’s rich it seems like his life has been pretty ordinary. As much as he gets grabby with women who he’s posing for a photo with I don’t see him sneaking out on his wife or anything like that.

I have a hunch we’ll get a few more surprises on Trump though. The media is out to get him at this point and Biden’s campaign would love to hammer the nail into the coffin. The wet dream scenario would be a story about him forcing a woman to get an abortion.

[Dirks_Finale]

He does appear to be pretty vanilla. Less than 50% chance they have dirt on him. That's why a debate 1 draw for Trump has pretty much sunk his ship, tbh.


Biden just doesn’t seem like someone where that material is out there. Outside of the fact he’s rich it seems like his life has been pretty ordinary. As much as he gets grabby with women who he’s posing for a photo with I don’t see him sneaking out on his wife or anything like that.

I have a hunch we’ll get a few more surprises on Trump though. The media is out to get him at this point and Biden’s campaign would love to hammer the nail into the coffin. The wet dream scenario would be a story about him forcing a woman to get an abortion.

[rmt]

Fortunately as fucked up as the constitution is in other respects, the founding fathers did a pretty good job making it so elections were handled at the state/county level and very disconnected from the president.

Sure we've had situations like Florida 2000 where a Republican governor and secretary of state created an intentionally confusing ballot to help one candidate over the other, but it's actually remarkable how this country's election integrity has rarely ever been an issue prior to Trump.

Palm Beach County's butterfly ballots

Simulation of the "butterfly ballot", seen at an angle
Many voters in Palm Beach County who intended to vote for Gore actually marked their ballots for Pat Buchanan or spoiled their ballots because they found the ballot's layout to be confusing. The ballot displayed the list of presidential running-mate pairs alternately across two adjacent pages, with a column of punch spaces down the middle. Bush's name appeared at the top of the ballot, sparing most Bush voters from error. About 19,000 ballots were spoiled because of overvotes (two votes in the same race), compared to 3000 in 1996.[16]:215–221 According to a 2001 study in the American Political Science Review, the voting errors caused by the butterfly ballot cost Gore the election: "Had PBC used a ballot format in the presidential race that did not lead to systematic biased voting errors, our findings suggest that, other things equal, Al Gore would have won a majority of the officially certified votes in Florida."[45]

On The Today Show of November 9, 2000, Buchanan said, "When I took one look at that ballot on Election Night ... it's very easy for me to see how someone could have voted for me in the belief they voted for Al Gore."[46] He, unlike the voters, did not have the opportunity to see the ballot before Election Day.

Although Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer said on November 9 that "Palm Beach County is a Pat Buchanan stronghold and that's why Pat Buchanan received 3,407 votes there",[47] Buchanan's Florida coordinator, Jim McConnell, responded by calling that "nonsense", and Jim Cunningham, chairman of the executive committee of Palm Beach County's Reform Party, responded, "I don't think so. Not from where I'm sitting and what I'm looking at." Cunningham estimated the number of Buchanan supporters in Palm Beach County to be between 400 and 500. Asked how many votes he would guess Buchanan legitimately received in Palm Beach County, he said, "I think 1,000 would be generous. Do I believe that these people inadvertently cast their votes for Pat Buchanan? Yes, I do. We have to believe that based on the vote totals elsewhere."[48]

The ballot had been redesigned earlier that year by Theresa LePore (Supervisor of Elections and member of the Democratic Party). She said that she used both sides of the ballot in order to make the candidate names larger so the county's elderly residents could more easily see the names.[49]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_presidential_election_recount_i n_Florida

[angrydude]

Smart, the betting markets shifted big in the last 24 hours, Biden went from a 54% chance to a 60% chance (RCP average). My guess is a lot of people were just waiting to make sure he could get through a debate without drooling on himself before betting that he'd win.

Just like last time huh? Those markets only reflect the preferences of the people who participate in them. They have no predictive value and were dead wrong last time. The smart gambler would bet on Trump since you stand to make a lot more money.

[Chris]

https://i.ibb.co/R3B569f/IMG-20201001-011619.jpg

[Spurtacular]

^^^

Lay off the CNN / MSNBC.

[TampaDude]

The "debate" was a gigantic clown show. Trump couldn't shut his pie hole and Biden was wearing a wire. Fuck both of them. I'm voting third party.

[Bogie]

The "debate" was a gigantic clown show. Trump couldn't shut his pie hole and Biden was wearing a wire. Fuck both of them. I'm voting third party.

right

[Spurminator]

https://i.ibb.co/R3B569f/IMG-20201001-011619.jpg

Still coping with unscientific Twitter polls. :lmao

[spurraider21]

The "debate" was a gigantic clown show. Trump couldn't shut his pie hole and Biden was wearing a wire. Fuck both of them. I'm voting third party.
:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Last night's folie à deux between Qhris and derp is...something....

Convinced me Trump definitely lost the debate.:tu

[Bogie]

:lmao

yeah that one is only sailing around rw echo chambers, and nowhere else.

but he’s voting 3rd party :lmao:lmao

[Bogie]

:lol Last night's folie à deux between Qhris and derp is...something....

Convinced me Trump definitely lost the debate.:tu

of course he did. Why do you think these folks are going wild with damage control.

[TampaDude]

yeah that one is only sailing around rw echo chambers, and nowhere else.

but he’s voting 3rd party :lmao:lmao

Yup...both R and D presidential candidates are trash.

I'm voting Libertarian like I always do. I don't give a flying fuck what anyone else (including you) thinks about it, either.

[Bogie]

Yup...both R and D presidential candidates are trash.

I'm voting Libertarian like I always do. I don't give a flying fuck what anyone else (including you) thinks about it, either.

I’m sure jo will appreciate the vote.

it’s always been a mystery for as many people claim to be libertarians, that they can never get that 5%. I mean, gosh, who are all those libertarian voters actually voting for?