Portland mayoral candidate wore an outfit that featured the faces of Stalin, Mao Zedong...

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1314220114363834374?s=20

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1314409740114391041?s=20

She is leading in the polls. These loons are the future of our country if Biden is elected. He refuses to denounce these extremists. Worse he shielded the extremists by positioning them as "just an idea".

[Winehole23]

Which is more dangerous, a candidate who wears a skirt with commie creeps on it, or militia assholes who plot to kidnap the Michigan governor and overthrow the state government?

[Nathan89]

Fringe anarchists are less concerning than a city of Democrats supporting their communist loving antifa mayor.

[benefactor]

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[Nathan89]

Resident clown shows up with his distraction.

[Winehole23]

Fringe anarchists are less concerning than a city of Democrats supporting their communist loving antifa mayor.:lmao

[Winehole23]

commie skirt = more dangerous than an actual plot to kidnap a governor and overthrow the State of Michigan

[Spurtacular]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1314220114363834374?s=20

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1314409740114391041?s=20

She is leading in the polls. These loons are the future of our country if Biden is elected. He refuses to denounce these extremists. Worse he shielded the extremists by positioning them as "just an idea".

You a fan, spurraider21?

[spurraider21]

You a fan, spurraider21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905)?
she gave a very weasley answer about antifa. i dont know much about her general policy positions.

[Spurtacular]

she gave a very weasley answer about antifa. i dont know much about her general policy positions.

It was the same answer as Joe Biden's answer, except more flowery.

She's apparently a communist, generally.

[spurraider21]

It was the same answer as Joe Biden's answer, except more flowery.

She's apparently a communist, generally.
if im taking your word for it (which is generally never a good idea) then id say i'm not a fan

[Spurtacular]

if im taking your word for it (which is generally never a good idea) then id say i'm not a fan

Not my word. Her apparent signals. Though she tried to distance herself from her apparent idols.


Portland mayoral candidate who calls herself an antifa advocate wore an outfit that featured the faces of Stalin, Mao Zedong & other communist dictators. She says it is pop art and that this is a distraction.

[spurraider21]

Not my word. Her apparent signals. Though she tried to distance herself from her apparent idols.
i dont deny that she apparently wore some attire with faces of those people. but i dont follow her politics closely at all to know where she stands on specific local issues which are actually of significance for somebody running for mayor. a mayor isnt going to be able to establish a socialist regime or communist society :lol... its more day to day stuff. city budgeting, police reform, etc

[Spurtacular]

i dont deny that she apparently wore some attire with faces of those people. but i dont follow her politics closely at all to know where she stands on specific local issues which are actually of significance for somebody running for mayor. a mayor isnt going to be able to establish a socialist regime or communist society :lol... its more day to day stuff. city budgeting, police reform, etc

Seems that you're very conveniently disregarding the current state of affairs.
They have a lot of control over "communist society" stuff. See Chicago / Portland riots.

[spurraider21]

Seems that you're very conveniently disregarding the current state of affairs.
They have a lot of control over "communist society" stuff. See Chicago / Portland riots.
you dont know what a communist society is

[Trainwreck2100]

Compare that to the random shit Trumptards wearing

[Spurtacular]

you dont know what a communist society is

It's apparently a magical fairly land that you espouse and not a society in which overlords rule over the masses of peasants with an iron fist.
Good one, Lite. Kill shot, amirite?

[spurraider21]

It's apparently a magical fairly land that you espouse and not a society in which overlords rule over the masses of peasants with an iron fist.
Good one, Lite. Kill shot, amirite?
its definitely utopian and unrealistic

[Spurtacular]

its definitely utopian and unrealistic

So, we're back to dealing in reality. Communism bad. :tu

[Warlord23]

That's nothing. London's imperial war museum is filled with thousands of photographs of Antifa activities (see example below)!

https://media.iwm.org.uk/loris/388/864/large_000000.jpg/full/full/0/default.jpg

[spurraider21]

So, we're back to dealing in reality. Communism bad. :tu
No. It’s utopian and unrealistic. Attempts to implement it have been unsuccessful and yielded poor results.

A mayor who likes communism in theory yet lacks any actual power to attempt to implement it isn’t a threat to reproduce the aforementioned poor results

to the extent they want to push for greater equity and curtail unjust hierarchy, i don’t think those ideas are inherently problematic. I don’t think the election of a mayor puts our country’s capitalism at risk

[hater]

I wear a Che shirt once in anwhile.

Doesnt mean im a communist :lmao

Stupid inbreds :lol

[RandomGuy]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1314220114363834374?s=20

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1314409740114391041?s=20

She is leading in the polls. These loons are the future of our country if Biden is elected. He refuses to denounce these extremists. Worse he shielded the extremists by positioning them as "just an idea".

Was she arrested in a plot to kidnap and kill a governor?

[Spurtacular]

No. It’s utopian and unrealistic. Attempts to implement it have been unsuccessful and yielded poor results.

A mayor who likes communism in theory yet lacks any actual power to attempt to implement it isn’t a threat to reproduce the aforementioned poor results

to the extent they want to push for greater equity and curtail unjust hierarchy, i don’t think those ideas are inherently problematic. I don’t think the election of a mayor puts our country’s capitalism at risk

She is wearing symbols of absolute heirarchy. If you want to write that off, that's your deal. I think it's naive.

[spurraider21]

She is wearing symbols of absolute heirarchy. If you want to write that off, that's your deal. I think it's naive.
you're free to think that. i'm not a communist/socialist, and by extension, not particularly a fan of a candidate who is one. with that said, i dont think a mayor has enough pull to actually threaten capitalism, so her outlandish view on ideal economic/governmental structure is not particularly relevant to the ins and outs of how she would serve the city

[Spurtacular]

you're free to think that. i'm not a communist/socialist, and by extension, not particularly a fan of a candidate who is one. with that said, i dont think a mayor has enough pull to actually threaten capitalism, so her outlandish view on ideal economic/governmental structure is not particularly relevant to the ins and outs of how she would serve the city

I disagree with your dismissive notion that mayors have impish levels of powers.
The old saying that all politics is local rings true all the time.

[spurraider21]

I disagree with your dismissive notion that mayors have impish levels of powers.
The old saying that all politics is local rings true all the time.
mayors have important duties. controlling the economic and political systems (ie the concerns associated with communism/socialism) arent among them

a mayor is not going to be able to "seize the means of production."

[Spurtacular]

mayors have important duties. controlling the economic and political systems (ie the concerns associated with communism/socialism) arent among them

The riots called. They said you're wrong AF.

[spurraider21]

The riots called. They said you're wrong AF.
none of that has demonstrated that mayors have the power to upend capitalism

[Spurtacular]

none of that has demonstrated that mayors have the power to upend capitalism

Sure it did. The free market was disrupted. Chaos was the (dis)order of the day.

[spurraider21]

Sure it did. The free market was disrupted. Chaos was the (dis)order of the day.
that has nothing to do with seizure of the means of production.

and even if i take your free market claim at face value, that is still not related to capitalism vs socialism. socialism can still function under a free market. markets arent unique to capitalism

[Spurtacular]

that has nothing to do with seizure of the means of production.

:cry CHAZ didn't happen :cry

[spurraider21]

:cry CHAZ didn't happen :cry
CHAZ wasnt the means of production :lol

[Spurtacular]

CHAZ wasnt the means of production :lol

Dunno about that. But many people's means of living were certainly affected or halted.

[spurraider21]

Dunno about that. But many people's means of living were certainly affected or halted.
thats not what the means of production means

look. the concept of the "workers' seizure of the means of production" would basically be the workers of a factory taking ownership of the factory... the materials, machinery, etc., such that they no longer work for the "owner" but themselves become owners. the "seizure of the means of production" could happen on either a micro or macro level. on the micro level, the workers of that specific firm would be owners of that firm... on the macro level, the public at large (typically, the state... ostensibly on behalf of "the people") takes ownership of firms, generally.

has nothing to do with people squatting in the streets :lol

[Spurtacular]

thats not what the means of production means

I specifically didn't use the term means of production, and you still shamelessly played that card.

You're predictable / desperate, Lite.

[spurraider21]

I specifically didn't use the term means of production, and you still shamelessly played that card.

You're predictable / desperate, Lite.
you directly responded to my comment, QUOTING me using "means of production" and mentioned CHAZ as a counterpoint

look, you're free to disagree with policy decisions, but just declaring everything you disagree with as "communist" or "fascist" is just ridiculous

[Spurtacular]

you directly responded to my comment, QUOTING me using "means of production" and mentioned CHAZ as a counterpoint

look, you're free to disagree with policy decisions, but just declaring everything you disagree with as "communist" or "fascist" is just ridiculous

That's a fair point that my argumentation hasn't fully observed that track.

I think you're simplifying means of production to a textbook factories definition.

The reality is people's individual means of living (of production) is their ability to sustain themselves.

CHAZ overtook many people's means of living and they were enabled by city govt.
If you think unchecked that's not going to continue to factories and the like, then that's silly.

[spurraider21]

That's a fair point that my argumentation hasn't fully observed that track.
it's all good


I think you're simplifying means of production to a textbook factories definition.

The reality is people's individual means of living (of production) is their ability to sustain themselves.

CHAZ overtook many people's means of living and they were enabled by city govt.
If you think unchecked that's not going to continue to factories and the like, then that's silly.
i dont think im being unfair with the characterization. if your criticism isn't being specific to the "means of production" then its not really a criticism of socialism/communism, it's just a general disagreement with some policies. and you're entitled to have those disagreements

to the contrary, i think the way you've been arguing is just being fast and loose with words and just claiming that things you dont like = socialism/communism

[boutons_deux]

rightwingnutjobs are so easily excited over some "gotcha" bullshit of absolutely NO consequence

[boutons_deux]

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[DMC]

commie skirt = more dangerous than an actual plot to kidnap a governor and overthrow the State of Michigan

Pretty sure a candidate for office wasn't part of that plot. Where's the comparison here? What if the skirt had a swastika on it? Pop art?

[ElNono]

I wear a Che shirt once in anwhile.

Doesnt mean im a communist :lmao

Stupid inbreds :lol

:lol mein neger

[Winehole23]

Pretty sure a candidate for office wasn't part of that plot. Where's the comparison here? What if the skirt had a swastika on it? Pop art?Which socialist policies will she institute as mayor? Forced collectivization? Reeducation camps?

I was compariing actual intentions/actions. Seems to me plotting to kidnap a governor, shoot cops and overthrow state state government poses a greater risk to life, liberty and our form of government than running for mayor on a lefty background in Portland, OR.


(whatever political damage she suffers from her stupid fashion choice is deserved, imo )