Years after they fought in Afghanistan, US troops watch as their children deploy to the same war

[baseline bum]

https://www.stripes.com/news/years-after-they-fought-in-afghanistan-us-troops-watch-as-their-children-deploy-to-the-same-war-1.647659

Years after they fought in Afghanistan, US troops watch as their children deploy to the same war

KABUL, Afghanistan — Nineteen years ago on Wednesday, a generation of Americans deployed to Afghanistan to root out the terrorists behind the 9/11 attacks, believing that by fighting in the country more than 7,400 miles away, they would spare their children the need to do so too.

But as the U.S. war in Afghanistan begins its 20th year, some of those same service members have watched as their sons and daughters have deployed to continue the fight.

“When we started this, people asked why I was going, and my response was, ‘So my sons don’t have to fight this war,’” said Master Sgt. Trevor deBoer, who has deployed to Afghanistan three times with the 20th Special Forces Group since 2002. :lol

Nearly two decades later, deBoer’s son, Spc. Payton Sluss, also served in Afghanistan — including at Forward Operating Base Fenty, north of the city of Jalalabad, where deBoer had served. :lol

not posting the rest

[Spurtacular]

What's your verdict, Blakeline Bum?

[SnakeBoy]

It's the good war

[baseline bum]

What's your verdict, Blakeline Bum?

My verdict is Trump never got us out of it

[baseline bum]

It's the good war

Should have left once they lit up bin laden

[SnakeBoy]

Should have left once they lit up bin laden

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134311&page=9&p=3668644&viewfull=1#post3668644

[Ef-man]

What's your verdict, Blakeline Bum?
Control yourself brokeback derp.

Why do you ask, you never served and you do not even care.

Do something constructive for a change, like, go yell at your mom for screaming will having sex with strangers in your trailer.

:tu

[Spurtacular]

My verdict is Trump never got us out of it

That never seemed to bother you when Obama stuck around.

[baseline bum]

That never seemed to bother you when Obama stuck around.

Thought Obama fucked up, should have left after he killed bin laden. Your boy has us stuck there same as Bush and Obama.

[Spurtacular]

Thought Obama fucked up, should have left after he killed bin laden. Your boy has us stuck there same as Bush and Obama.

Sounds like you're a big Trump fan after all. :tu

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/08/donald-trump-afghanistan-us-troops-taliban

[baseline bum]

Sounds like you're a big Trump fan after all. :tu

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/08/donald-trump-afghanistan-us-troops-taliban

wants to :lol

That's cute that you believe him

[Spurtacular]

wants to :lol

That's cute that you believe him

1313984510749544450

Don't see "wants to" in there.

:lol Blakeline Bum manipulated by media.

[baseline bum]

1313984510749544450

Nope. Don't see "wants to" in there.

:lol Blakeline Bum manipulated by media.

He has had four years. He doesn't give a shit. Another empty promise from the pos who has been nothing but lies these last four years.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol "should"

[spurraider21]

:lol "should"
white supremacists should be condemned

those troops should be home

oh well

[baseline bum]

:lol "should"

This will most likely be like his healthcare plan that's always a week or two away.

[Spurtacular]

He has had four years. He doesn't give a shit. Another empty promise from the pos who has been nothing but lies these last four years.

There will be warring with a Harris/Biden administration. You can take that to the bank.

[Spurtacular]

white supremacists should be condemned

those troops should be home

Sounds like Trump is batting a thousand. :tu

[ChumpDumper]

Sounds like Trump is batting a thousand. :tuIf not doing either is the goal.:tu

[baseline bum]

There will be warring with a Harris/Biden administration. You can take that to the bank.

And there has been with a Trump administration.

[Spurtacular]

And there has been with a Trump administration.

No new wars under Trump. That hurts your feelings. :lmao

[ElNono]

lmao @ that goalpost move

[Spurtacular]

:lol "should"


white supremacists should be condemned

those troops should be home

oh well


This will most likely be like his healthcare plan that's always a week or two away.


lmao @ that goalpost move

:lol Nobody bothered to read the article.


Trump’s plans were announced in a tweet late on Wednesday night. The White House doubled down (https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1314196588823281664?s=20) on the message on Thursday morning: “our troops in Afghanistan are coming home by the end of the year”, the official Twitter account for the administration said.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure thing, derp. And his health care plan is coming out in two weeks.:lmao

But if Shart of the Deal wants to put an artificial deadline on his negotiations with Islamists, :lmao again.

[Spurtacular]

Sure thing, derp. And his health care plan is coming out in two weeks.:lmao

But if Shart of the Deal wants to put an artificial deadline on his negotiations with Islamists, :lmao again.

:lol Boogeyman Islamists

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Boogeyman Islamistsderp is fine with Islamic fundamentalism.

[Spurtacular]

derp is fine with Islamic fundamentalism.

I'm fine with not warrring with the boogeymen Islamists, yes. :tu

[ChumpDumper]

I'm fine with not warrring with the boogeymen Islamists, yes. :tuSo you actively oppose Trump's drone strikes in Somalia and Yemen?

Yes or no.

[Spurtacular]

So you actively oppose Trump's drone strikes in Somalia and Yemen?

Yes or no.

I have not supported them if they are indeed occurring.

Is this a really big issue for you?

[ChumpDumper]

I have not supported them if they are indeed occurring.

Is this a really big issue for you?They are occurring and you didn't answer the question.

Do you actively oppose Trump's drone strikes in Somalia and Yemen?

Yes or no.

[Spurtacular]

They are occurring and you didn't answer the question.

Do you actively oppose Trump's drone strikes in Somalia and Yemen?

Yes or no.

Answered your question. You didn't answer mine.

Is this a really big issue for you?

[ChumpDumper]

Answered your question.You don't support the military actions of your President Trump.:lol

I hope we find a better way of dealing with these things. Lobbing missiles from drones is too lazy.

[baseline bum]

lmao @ that goalpost move

LOL Derp is such a fucking waste of time to talk to

[Nathan89]

That's why we should all vote for Trump.

[ElNono]

lol @ "are coming"... how about "The Afghan war is over"?

[ChumpDumper]

That's why we should all vote for Trump.Because he hasn't stopped any war in four years?

[ElNono]

Military spending up and up and up.. .despite Mr Peace POTUS... somebody explain that one to me.

At least if you're at war (I prefer not to be), you can justify that shit.

[baseline bum]

That's why we should all vote for Trump.

Cute, you too believe his empty promises

[Spurtacular]

LOL Derp is such a fucking waste of time to talk to

I don't see one Chumpette coming out and showing us how Harris/Biden are not going to get back to warring if they're given power.
All ya'll bitches know the deal.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't see one Chumpette coming out and showing us how Harris/Biden are not going to get back to warring if they're given power.
All ya'll bitches know the deal.We found out you really don't care about wars after all.:tu

[Spurtacular]

We found out you really don't care about wars after all.:tu

You voted for continuing Hillary's wars.

#AlwaysWithHer

[ChumpDumper]

Hillary*ding*

[Spurtacular]

*ding*

She was at the center of those wars, dip shit.
She was openly calling for actions that would lead to war with Russia.
Biden voted for the wars too.
You're the warhawk, derp. Come to terms.

[baseline bum]

Trump's lucky to not be at war with Iran after assassinating Soleimani.

[Spurtacular]

Trump's lucky to not be at war with Iran after assassinating Soleimani.

Would be if Trump didn't have such a great temperament. :tu

[Ef-man]

:lmao @ brokeback derp, still being triggered by hillary, acts as though she was still running for president

What an idiot.

[ChumpDumper]

She*ding*

She*ding*

[baseline bum]

:lmao @ brokeback derp, still being triggered by hillary, acts as though she was still running for president

What an idiot.

Trump's going to sign an executive order any day now to force Hillary to be his opponent again.

[baseline bum]

Would be if Trump didn't have such a great temperament. :tu

LOL, they're waiting Trump's term out.

[Spurtacular]

LOL, they're waiting Trump's term out.

And then what?

[Ef-man]

*ding*
*ding*

The brokeback derp has not come to terms with sad fact of knowing that hillary is more alpha male than he will ever be.

I think it was her pant suits that made him realize that and triggers him.

Don’t you hate seeing that ChumpDumper?

[Warlord23]

Trump is going to pull out of Afghanistan very very soon, believe me ... Right after he announces his health care plan, reduces the national debt, gets North Korea to give up their nukes, puts Hillary behind bars, gets a check from Mexico for the fence, starts a national infrastructure program and lowers the trade deficit with China

Any day now ...

[hater]

It's the good war

Another one where we get our asses kicked uh? Good learning experience? :lmao

[hater]

Military spending up and up and up.. .despite Mr Peace POTUS... somebody explain that one to me.

At least if you're at war (I prefer not to be), you can justify that shit.

That will always go up. It went up with Obomba would go up with Biden.

[hater]

Or someone correct me and post wher3 Biden promised to reduc3 military budget :lmao

[Will Hunting]

That will always go up. It went up with Obomba would go up with Biden.
It went down with Obama:
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/military-spending-defense-budget

2009 was Bush's last budget year and the budget was $668 billion. 2017 was Obama's last budget year and the defense budget was $605 billion. Then Dump increased it by 7% from 2017 to 2018 and (not shown in the chart) but it's only gone up more since then, Dump is bragging about how it's now over $700 billion.

It was still way too fucking high under Obama, but I'll take what he did to the defense budget over what Dump has done.

[hater]

It went down with Obama:
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/military-spending-defense-budget

2009 was Bush's last budget year and the budget was $668 billion. 2017 was Obama's last budget year and the defense budget was $605 billion. Then Dump increased it by 7% from 2017 to 2018 and (not shown in the chart) but it's only gone up more since then, Dump is bragging about how it's now over $700 billion.

It was still way too fucking high under Obama, but I'll take what he did to the defense budget over what Dump has done.

Disagreed

Comparing the eight years of George W. Bush’s base budgets and the eight years of Obama’s (including the one proposed today), Obama’s exceed Bush’s by a sum total of $816.7 billion ($4,121.2 billion for Obama’s two terms, $3,304.5 for Bush’s). (See the comptroller’s document, Pages 1–4. This chart doesn’t adjust these figures for inflation; if it did, the difference would be smaller but not by much.)

What accounts for this huge increase? Mainly, it’s the higher cost of weapons systems, most of which were developed during and for the Cold War. There are exceptions. The new budget requests $7.5 billion for anti-ISIS operations (up 50 percent from this year’s spending), $6.7 billion for cyber defense, and $1.2 billion for counterterrorism drone flights

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/02/president-obamas-military-budget-is-still-one-of-the-biggest-ever.html

My post stands

[Will Hunting]

Disagreed

Comparing the eight years of George W. Bush’s base budgets and the eight years of Obama’s (including the one proposed today), Obama’s exceed Bush’s by a sum total of $816.7 billion ($4,121.2 billion for Obama’s two terms, $3,304.5 for Bush’s). (See the comptroller’s document, Pages 1–4. This chart doesn’t adjust these figures for inflation; if it did, the difference would be smaller but not by much.)

What accounts for this huge increase? Mainly, it’s the higher cost of weapons systems, most of which were developed during and for the Cold War. There are exceptions. The new budget requests $7.5 billion for anti-ISIS operations (up 50 percent from this year’s spending), $6.7 billion for cyber defense, and $1.2 billion for counterterrorism drone flights

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/02/president-obamas-military-budget-is-still-one-of-the-biggest-ever.html

My post stands
A few things:

1) That doesn't change the fact Obama left office with a defense budget lower than the one he inherited. Something neither Bush nor Trump can claim. Both Clinton and Obama took over a defense budget and slightly decreased it over their presidency. Bush more than doubled the defense budget during his presidency, while Trump significantly increased it.

2) Bush's total defense spending over 8 years is weighed down by how much smaller the defense budget was when he took office. Clinton's defense budget when he left office was ~$300 billion. The defense budget more than doubled to $668 billion from then to when Bush left office. Your argument assumes the false premise that each president starts with a blank slate and gets to set the defense budget at whatever he wants on day 1 when that's not how it works. Even if Obama wanted to go back to Clinton-era defense spending, there's no way Congress would have allowed it.

3) If you want to go by total spent during a president's term, Obama's defense spending during his 2nd term will have been lower than Trump's defense spending over his 1st term. The Obama vs. Bush number you used is cherry picked and has nothing to do with your initial argument about Obama vs. Trump.

https://mwi.usma.edu/president-trumps-2019-defense-budget-really-rank-historically/

https://mwi.usma.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Sharp-figure-1.jpg

In the modern post-WWII era of out-of-control military spending, Obama is 2nd to only Nixon in terms of which president took office and decreased military spending. Trump isn't as bad as the Dick Cheney era neo-cons but he's worse than Obama was.

[hater]

Obama still spent more as the article says.

Not gonna argue semantics. My point is every president spends more. Because US is a militaristic oligarchy. Biden will continue the trend

[SnakeBoy]

Taliban Endorses Trump Re-Election Campaign, Hopes for Total US Troop Withdrawal from Afghanistan
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/taliban-endorses-trump-re-election-campaign-hopes-for-total-us-troop-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/ar-BB19TFWu?ocid=uxbndlbing

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1315294925186043904?s=20

Trump ending wars and avoiding them. Easy decision to vote for him tbh

[TimDunkem]

Hasn't ended yet. Also why not try to end it sooner?

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1315294925186043904?s=20

Trump ending wars and avoiding him. Easy decision to vote for him tbhWhich wars has he ended since he became president?

[hater]

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1315294925186043904?s=20

Trump ending wars and avoiding him. Easy decision to vote for him tbh

:tu

Props tbqh

[hater]

Taliban Endorses Trump Re-Election Campaign, Hopes for Total US Troop Withdrawal from Afghanistan
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/taliban-endorses-trump-re-election-campaign-hopes-for-total-us-troop-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/ar-BB19TFWu?ocid=uxbndlbing

:tu

Nobe peace prize time tbqh

[FrostKing]

Close the bases. Leave the region. Tighten travel to and from.

[ChumpDumper]

Close the bases. Leave the region. Tighten travel to and from.
:lol Trump will never do that.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/05/23/world/23orb/23orb-superJumbo.jpg

[Spurminator]

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1315294925186043904?s=20

Trump ending wars and avoiding them. Easy decision to vote for him tbh

You'll believe anything, won't you.

Why is ending the war in Afghanistan suddenly more likely and feasible on October 11, 2020?