good read

[CosmicCowboy]

Pretty well describes how I feel about the election

https://reason.com/2020/10/12/why-cant-they-both-lose/?fbclid=IwAR3hsOw22psRL--x44IlUcmpfdLw67GdVsc76X4Z4bw3FsQwaADKuy9KpKE

[RD2191]

TLDR

[Reck]

LOL the both side shtick.

No, both sides dont portray authoritarian tendencies.

[vy65]

terrible article. No explanation why complaining is "deeper and more powerful than voting." Nothing but a conclusory assertion that both candidate's records are shitty, so they're the same. This sounds like a rant from a boomer who still can't deal with how shitty trump is.

[FrostKing]

LOL the both side shtick.

No, both sides dont portray authoritarian tendencies.
Your ideology is patrolling the streets burning buildings

[Reck]

Your ideology is patrolling the streets burning buildings

Wrong.

A few hundred looting thugs does not define an entire party.

But I can play that game if you want. I'll take ownership of the looting and you take ownership of the white supremacy groups who have already killed people here.

See how that works?

[DMC]

Wrong.

A few hundred looting thugs does not define an entire party.

But I can play that game if you want. I'll take ownership of the looting and you take ownership of the white supremacy groups who have already killed people here.

See how that works?

The fact they don't want to do anything about a few 100 looting thugs absolutely does.

[spurraider21]

the 2 party system sucks. abstention still makes no sense. unless you have identical twins running on the same policies, theres a difference between the two, and one is going to be lesser of two evils. so you vote against the greater evil to reduce/mitigate harm

[RandomGuy]

Pretty well describes how I feel about the election

https://reason.com/2020/10/12/why-cant-they-both-lose/?fbclid=IwAR3hsOw22psRL--x44IlUcmpfdLw67GdVsc76X4Z4bw3FsQwaADKuy9KpKE

"both sides are equal"

if you can't tell the difference... wow.

GTFO.

[RandomGuy]

Your ideology is patrolling the streets burning buildings

Your ideology is plotting kidnaping and murdering of government officials, active voter intimidation, and subverting the rule of law.

[Spurtacular]

Wrong.

A few hundred looting thugs does not define an entire party.

Sure they do. Biden won't even call them out.

Also :lol at only "a few hundred".

[DMC]

The fact that your team actively courts white supremacist votes does too.
I'll already illustrated that a good number of the posters here would sell their right to vote or even offer support for their party of choice so I believe the paragraphs in the OP link have merit. Your vote is obviously not that important.

[RD2191]

the 2 party system sucks. abstention still makes no sense. unless you have identical twins running on the same policies, theres a difference between the two, and one is going to be lesser of two evils. so you vote against the greater evil to reduce/mitigate harm
:tu

[DMC]

:lol

:lol

[DMC]

the 2 party system sucks. abstention still makes no sense. unless you have identical twins running on the same policies, theres a difference between the two, and one is going to be lesser of two evils. so you vote against the greater evil to reduce/mitigate harm

Unless you live in a state where it's overwhelmingly Republican or democratic at which point you can certainly adopt a stance that your vote doesn't matter.

[DMC]

Your ideology is plotting kidnaping and murdering of government officials, active voter intimidation, and subverting the rule of law.

[DMC]

Your ideology is plotting kidnaping and murdering of government officials, active voter intimidation, and subverting the rule of law.

Yeah sure but there are probly some downsides as well.

[spurraider21]

Unless you live in a state where it's overwhelmingly Republican or democratic at which point you can certainly adopt a stance that your vote doesn't matter.
yeah on an individual level no 1 vote has ever swung even a state as far as i'm aware, but when that sentiment is broadly shared it has an effect in the aggregate

[pgardn]

yeah on an individual level no 1 vote has ever swung even a state as far as i'm aware, but when that sentiment is broadly shared it has an effect in the aggregate


Apparently some people need to be beaten over the head with this concept.
And still dont get it.

I live in Texas.
I will vote for Biden.
I will make it closer and it will get through the heads of red team to straighten out the fckn lying sham.
Or it does not, and they continue to fail so I am forced to rely on the blue team.

[DMC]

yeah on an individual level no 1 vote has ever swung even a state as far as i'm aware, but when that sentiment is broadly shared it has an effect in the aggregate But we don't think in the aggregate. We aren't a Borg mentality nation. This nation was founded on the concept of individuality and there's probably few places on the planet where individuality is more celebrated than this country. That has some drawbacks and one is that we don't consider our community as much as we should. We are more concerned about how the community affects us than we are about how we effect the community.

[DMC]

Apparently some people need to be beaten over the head with this concept.
And still dont get it.

I live in Texas.
I will vote for Biden.
I will make it closer and it will get through the heads of red team to straighten out the fckn lying sham.
Or it does not, and they continue to fail so I am forced to rely on the blue team.

You should give them a stern talking to. Make sure you use very forceful language in your blogging.

[pgardn]

You should give them a stern talking to. Make sure you use very forceful language in your blogging.

Voting machines don’t listen.
But some people can count and see numbers.
Some people...

[Spurtacular]

You should give them a stern talking to. Make sure you use very forceful language in your blogging.

:lol

[pgardn]

:lol

Suck the teat 9-11 boy.
Inspire him and other QAnon gulpers.

[spurraider21]

But we don't think in the aggregate. We aren't a Borg mentality nation. This nation was founded on the concept of individuality and there's probably few places on the planet where individuality is more celebrated than this country. That has some drawbacks and one is that we don't consider our community as much as we should. We are more concerned about how the community affects us than we are about how we effect the community.
umm, except people do go out and vote knowing that their individual vote is unlikely to be the difference maker, but might as part of the aggregate

people do make donations to charities knowing their individual donations may not be difference makers

[Spurtacular]

Suck the teat 9-11 boy.
Inspire him and other QAnon gulpers.

Tough times for imperialist slurpers like you. :lol

[RandomGuy]

Yeah sure but there are probly some downsides as well.

:lol

Ok, props. That made me laugh. Well played.

[baseline bum]

Pretty well describes how I feel about the election

https://reason.com/2020/10/12/why-cant-they-both-lose/?fbclid=IwAR3hsOw22psRL--x44IlUcmpfdLw67GdVsc76X4Z4bw3FsQwaADKuy9KpKE

Bothsides my ass


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znypy6knxiQ

[RandomGuy]

Bothsides my ass


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znypy6knxiQ

:lol CC.

"both sides" indeed.

[DMC]

umm, except people do go out and vote knowing that their individual vote is unlikely to be the difference maker, but might as part of the aggregate

people do make donations to charities knowing their individual donations may not be difference makers

Some do. More don't

[DMC]

Voting machines don’t listen.
But some people can count and see numbers.
Some people...

outrage x 4 in SLI

[pgardn]

outrage x 4 in SLI

i’m furious...
Believe it; it will make you feel better.

[spurraider21]

Some do. More don't
Voter participation is north of 50%

[DMC]

Voter participation is north of 50%

Voter + Charity

What's your point exactly? Are you simply looking for the exception to anything said?

[spurraider21]

Voter + Charity

What's your point exactly? Are you simply looking for the exception to anything said?
the conversation was about voting. i threw in charity as just another example. do you need to re-read where this convo started?

you said people in overwhelmingly republican/democrat states can just adopt the position that their vote doesnt matter, and i disagreed in that you could apply the same thought process even to battleground states because 1 vote never truly is the difference maker, but we know people dont actually think that way because they still go out and vote

[DMC]

the conversation was about voting. i threw in charity as just another example. do you need to re-read where this convo started?

you said people in overwhelmingly republican/democrat states can just adopt the position that their vote doesnt matter, and i disagreed in that you could apply the same thought process even to battleground states because 1 vote never truly is the difference maker, but we know people dont actually think that way because they still go out and vote

I didn't say they should, I said they could. How can you disagree when it's quite obvious people have always adopted that stance with around half the eligible voters not voting at all? Of course they can, and they do for the reasons I mentioned. It doesn't need to be 100% in order to be true.

Some people go out and vote. Some people do not. For those who do not, the "doesn't matter" angle is largely why. It's also why many here sold their lifetime of votes and support for a measly 1M. For those who do go out and vote, not all of them think in the aggregate, some just want to exercise their right to vote, some do it out of habit, some out of pressure from peers. People have various reasons for voting or not voting, but not voting because the shitty amount of effect you actually have in saturated states is as legit a reason as any.

[spurraider21]

I didn't say they should, I said they could. How can you disagree when it's quite obvious people have always adopted that stance with around half the eligible voters not voting at all? Of course they can, and they do for the reasons I mentioned. It doesn't need to be 100% in order to be true.

Some people go out and vote. Some people do not. For those who do not, the "doesn't matter" angle is largely why. It's also why many here sold their lifetime of votes and support for a measly 1M. For those who do go out and vote, not all of them think in the aggregate, some just want to exercise their right to vote, some do it out of habit, some out of pressure from peers. People have various reasons for voting or not voting, but not voting because the shitty amount of effect you actually have in saturated states is as legit a reason as any.
false, it was only votes. and votes are only one aspect of political engagement that happens once every 2 or 4 years. political activism happens 24/7, votes dont. a million dollars also not insignificant. you would give up a lot of things that "matter" for a million dollars. its disingenuous to frame it that way... but i can see thats why you started that thread now.

people dont vote for a litany of reasons. some because they believe their vote doenst really make a difference? sure. some because they just dont think it makes any difference who will win because they arent affected? probably. some because they are disenfranchised. some because they cant take time off work. some because they're entirely disengaged politicall. and so on.

[Will Hunting]

Looks like the "both sides" angle is what Rockefeller Republicans like CC and Romney are going with in order to feel better about being a member of the Trump Party.

Sure we're on the same side as Trump on most issues but libtards like that meanie Keith Olbermann are just as bad!

[Trainwreck2100]

lol these "both sides" republicans just scratching and clawing for a reason to vote Trump. They're going to do it anyway cause they've been party over country for years