Lamar Winston

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao when he actually has to throw the ball, playing from behind... he turns the ball over. At a torrid rate.

Not an elite QB. Not top 10.

Discuss.

[DAF86]

He actually moved the ball pretty well today while behind in the 4th quarter, tbh. He had a TD drive and two other good drives, one where they barely missed a 4th down conversion and the other where they ran out of time after a shot at the end zone.

His problems were the turnovers he had while tied or ahead, tbh. In any case, he's still one of the best QBs in the league. The Ravens where shit before he took charge and now they are one of the best teams in the league. The entire Ravens' run offense works thanks to Lamar running ability and his vision to run the option. That said, yeah, he will need to improve a bit more as a pocket passer.

[Trainwreck2100]

he was converting on a scoring percentage last year that was untennable this year, and that shitty option is always easy to sniff out for elite defenses.

[DAF86]

he was converting on a scoring percentage last year that was untennable this year, and that shitty option is always easy to sniff out for elite defenses.

Last season the Niners' defense was as elite as they come and he picked them apart with the option. He made them look silly.

[Trainwreck2100]

Last season the Niners' defense was as elite as they come and he picked them apart with the option. He made them look silly.

that was last year, now that there's tape he's been shit

[DAF86]

Heck, we don't even have to go that far. Today the Ravens moved the ball as much as they wanted against an elite Steelers' defense. With better ball security they would have won by 14+.

[DAF86]

that was last year, now that there's tape he's been shit

Read above, tbh.

[Trainwreck2100]

Read above, tbh.

they lost cause of tape,

[DAF86]

they lost cause of tape,

They lost because of flukeish amount of turnovers, tbh.

[Blake]

A year later defenses have figured him out, while he has hasn't adapted.

[DAF86]

A year later defenses have figured him out, while he has hasn't adapted.

Coming into this week they were averaging 30 ppg while having the number one offense on rushing yards per game. How does that mean that teams have figured them out? :lol

[Blake]

Coming into this week they were averaging 30 ppg while having the number one offense on rushing yards per game. How does that mean that teams have figured them out? :lol

:lol there's only five teams averaging less team YPG than the Ravens and they're averaging 177 passing YPG.

You can stop this now. :lol

[DAF86]

:lol there's only five teams averaging less team YPG than the Ravens and they're averaging 177 passing YPG.

You can stop this now. :lol

So? When you run the ball as much and try to control the game clock you will tend to have lower yardage totals. How can you say a team has been "figured out" when they are still winning games at a high clip while averaging 30 pts per game? :lol

[Blake]

So? When you run the ball as much and try to control the game clock you will tend to have lower yardage totals. How can you say a team has been "figured out" when they are still winning games at a high clip while averaging 30 pts per game? :lol

I never said the "team" was figured out. RIF and stuff.

Just stop

[DAF86]

I never said the "team" was figured out. RIF and stuff.

Just stop

So Lamar has been figured out because he leads the best running offense in the league and one of the lowest air ones? That's exactly what he did last season. :lol

[MultiTroll]

Final play Pittsburg pass interference?

Certainly not putting the game on it. Just saying if that pass was thrown by Tampon Tom, Rothlessburger, Wilson etc and not a real nigga like Jackson would it have been auto flag thrown?

[spurraider21]

So Lamar has been figured out because he leads the best running offense in the league and one of the lowest air ones? That's exactly what he did last season. :lol
his TD rate from last year was completely unsustainable... their scoring output was always due to regress

his passing efficiency otherwise is more or less comparable to last season, but he's running less

[DAF86]

his TD rate from last year was completely unsustainable...their scoring output was always due to regress

his passing efficiency otherwise is more or less comparable to last season, but he's running less

Sure, that's very different from being figured out, tbh.

[Blake]

his TD rate from last year was completely unsustainable... their scoring output was always due to regress

his passing efficiency otherwise is more or less comparable to last season, but he's running less

It's pretty clear he's running less because Ds are stacking the line, making him throw.

He reminds me of Kordell Stewart.

[Blake]

Sure, that's very different from being figured out, tbh.

Lol semantics.

Whatever you need to help you win a basketball forum on the side football thread

[DAF86]

Lol semantics.

Whatever you need to help you win a basketball forum on the side football thread

You are confusing "semantics" with two very different, very distinct things, tbh. :lol

Mahomes 50 TDs/5000 yards debut season was unsustainable, hence why he only threw for 26 TDs the next season. That, clearly, didn't mean he was figured out though. :lol

[Blake]

How is that semantics? :lol

Mahomes 50 TDs/5000 yards debut season was unsustainable, hence why he only threw for 26 TDs the next season. That, clearly, didn't mean he was figured out though. :lol

Good Lord man. There's such a thing as not quite hitting your previous year stats and then there's seeing all your stats drop dramatically across the board.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/11/02/lamar-jacksons-stats-have-declined-significantly-from-mvp-season/

Give it up already.

[spurraider21]

It's pretty clear he's running less because Ds are stacking the line, making him throw.

He reminds me of Kordell Stewart.
that was the obvious solution last year too though, wasn't it?

[DAF86]

Good Lord man. There's such a thing as not quite hitting your previous year stats and then there's seeing all your stats drop dramatically across the board.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/11/02/lamar-jacksons-stats-have-declined-significantly-from-mvp-season/

Give it up already.

Dude, that's exactly what happened to Mahomes to a T. :lol All of his stats dropped dramatically (I would argue even more dramatically than Lamar's) from one year to the next.

If you don't understand the difference between seeing your stats decrease and being "figured out" then that's on you, tbh. I will help you out, I hope you take the explanation.

Seeing your stats decrease means that your statistical output diminished from your previous year, and, although it is never a good thing to see your production dip, sometimes it doesn't mean much, specially when you come from having historic, monster, MVP seasons like Lamar and Mahomes did.

Being figured out means that opposing teams have found a way to make you ineffective and you can no longer be a productive, positive impact player.

Seeing how Lamar can still lead a team that puts 30 ppg and wins over 70% of its games, the logical conclusion is that he hasn't been "figured out" but, rather, that he's just seeing his historic, unsustainable production from last season revert to more normal standards, which are still pretty good by basing it on results, tbh.

[DAF86]

It's pretty clear he's running less because Ds are stacking the line, making him throw.

He reminds me of Kordell Stewart.

He has been dealing with a nagging injury all season long, that's why he isn't running as much.

[spurraider21]

sometimes players are putting up numbers that are unsustainable, and that stretch may last a full season or so, and then despite their talent and level of play being somewhat similar, they aren't putting up the same numbers.

lamar jackson having 36 passing TDs while the team was averaging among the least pass attempts per game was never going to sustain, even if he played at exactly the same level

an example in raider land was Maxx Crosby getting 10 sacks last year, despite most advanced stats showing he wasn't generating pressures at a very high rate, but an inordinate amount of his pressures were leading to sacks at a rate that likely wasn't sustainable. his production has fallen back to earth this year, though i dont necessarily think he's been much worse

with that said, i havent watched jackson very closely at all this year, so i cant really comment on how his level of play has been

[Blake]

that was the obvious solution last year too though, wasn't it?

Well either he's regressed or they've figured him out.

My guess is that teams on the schedule took the entire off season to study tape as to the best way to stack the line.

[Blake]

Dude, that's exactly what happened to Mahomes to a T. :lol All of his stats dropped dramatically (I would argue even more dramatically than Lamar's) from one year to the next.

Of course you're trying to argue that. Anything to keep your opinion alive that Jackson is basically the same guy as last year.

[Blake]

They lost because of flukeish amount of turnovers, tbh.

I mean, lol "flukeish"

C'mon dude

[Blake]

So Lamar has been figured out because he leads the best running offense in the league and one of the lowest air ones? That's exactly what he did last season. :lol

IF IT WEREN'T FOR THOSE FLUKEISH TURNOVERS HE'D BE MVP AGAIN

[DAF86]

I mean, lol "flukeish"

C'mon dude

Are you ever going to say something or will you just keep spouting different versions of "c'mon dude"? :lol

5 turnovers in a game. Do You find that to be a sustainable, normal number on an NFL game?

[Blake]

Are you ever going to say something or will you just keep spouting different versions of "c'mon dude"? :lol

5 turnovers in a game. Do You find that to be a sustainable, normal number on an NFL game?

There's nothing to discuss with you here. I'm just laughing at you.

[DAF86]

There's nothing to discuss with you here. I'm just laughing at you.

Yeah, I would say you have nothing to discuss son. Carry on, tbh. :lol

[Blake]

Yeah, I would say you have nothing to discuss son. Carry on, tbh. :lol

Ok.

Lol DAF86 and the "but but Mahomes all star level injury riddled 14 game stats in 2019 weren't as good as 2018, so leave muh Lamar alone"

[DAF86]

Ok.

Lol DAF86 and the "but but Mahomes all star level injury riddled 14 game stats in 2019 weren't as good as 2018, so leave muh Lamar alone"

You think Mahomes could have made up for the 24 tds he was lacking in two games? :lol

Dude, you are being the irrational, emotional one. I don't know if you have a personal distaste for Jackson or what, but realize that you are alone on this fight.

[Neo.]

i dont think lamar has regressed as much as some people seem to suggest

but mahomes "dropoff" to jacksons dropoff isnt very comparable at all

about the only major dropoff mahomes had was TD passes. but basically all his other averages and percentages were comparable, or even superior. mahomes "dropoff" wasnt that he was a lesser quality player. the passing game simply wasn't featured quite as much. in fact, even with the decrease in stats, one could argue that he seemed to be a clearly better football player the next year, due to his experience and natural maturation seen through his poise. he seemed to be even more calm and collected than before. and also despite the small decrease in some stats, he still had among the best passing stats in all of football.

in lamars case, his passing stats have regressed noticably in all categories, while actually passing the ball at a higher rate. not only that, just watching him, he just doesn't seem quite as dominant as he was for most of last year. there could be a number of reasons for that, and for all we know, the rest of the year he could end up going back to looking like he did last year. but as of now, its clear he has not played nearly as well and its affected his team noticeably. and his stats place him around the middle to lower end of the pack of QBs this year.

the differences so far between their MVP season to the next, is just not very much alike at all.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I mean, lol "flukeish"

C'mon dude
Joe Biden says "Come on, man!"

Flukish.. no chance in hell. He pulled the same shit in both of his playoff games, both embarrassing home losses where his job was to actually, you know, throw the ball, aka the primary job of a quarterback, instead of hand off all game or monkey around with his legs.

[Blake]

You think Mahomes could have made up for the 24 tds he was lacking in two games? :lol

Dude, you are being the irrational, emotional one. I don't know if you have a personal distaste for Jackson or what, but realize that you are alone on this fight.

I never implied that he would have made up the 24 TDs in two games.

Lamar has dropped off significantly. That is a statistical fact and it is literally the title of the NBC sports article I posted so another lol on me being "alone, irrational and emotional in this fight". There is no fight, only lols.

I don't know why you're shielding so hard for him but whatever.

Lol.

[DAF86]

I never implied that he would have made up the 24 TDs in two games.

Lamar has dropped off significantly. That is a statistical fact and it is literally the title of the NBC sports article I posted so another lol on me being "alone, irrational and emotional in this fight". There is no fight, only lols.

I don't know why you're shielding so hard for him but whatever.

Lol.

That Lamar has dropped statistically isn't argued by anyone. It is an easily verificable fact. I'm not arguing that, I'm arguing your statement that he has been "figured out". A statement I didn't see anybody else agree with, tbh.

I'm not shielding him, I just like to disprove retarded takes, tbh.

[MultiTroll]

5-2 you cornholes.
With one of two losses coming against 7-0 Steelers which was far more of a self destruction then a Stooler win.

He cleans up the bad INTs and gets some real receivers and he'll be fine.

Needs to clean up his throwing motion technique, I'll give you that. Can't always be throwing outs off your back foot and sidearmed. They fall short.

[Millennial_Messiah]

5-2 you cornholes.
With one of two losses coming against 7-0 Steelers which was far more of a self destruction then a Stooler win.

He cleans up the bad INTs and gets some real receivers and he'll be fine.

Needs to clean up his throwing motion technique, I'll give you that. Can't always be throwing outs off your back foot and sidearmed. They fall short.

Can't beat up on the easy teams and get beat by all the contenders and call yourselves better than pretenders, tbh.

2013 Chiefs all over again.

[MultiTroll]

Can't beat up on the easy teams and get beat by all the contenders and call yourselves better than pretenders, tbh.

2013 Chiefs all over again.
Agree. If Baltimore flames out again this playoffs they're just regular season stat padders.
Jackson needs to cut the turns, but also needs more support from the team.

Last night the great Tampon Bay Tom won again. Or did he? BradyRef for the win.

I doubt Jackson is ever going to get favorable ref calls.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Agree. If Baltimore flames out again this playoffs they're just regular season stat padders.
Jackson needs to cut the turns, but also needs more support from the team.

Last night the great Tampon Bay Tom won again. Or did he? BradyRef for the win.

I doubt Jackson is ever going to get favorable ref calls.

Nah. He needs to be traded to fetch a couple 1sts to some team who just hired an offensive coach from the college ranks. While they still can, before his stock drops too low. He's another one of those QBs who teams must win "in spite of", rather than "because of"... Ravens have a lot of players to pay, especially on D, and they're a defense first team... that would be the smart power play for the Ravens, rather than giving Jackson 40+ million a year he hasn't earned. Zero playoff wins and neither losses were close.

[MultiTroll]

Nah. He needs to be traded to fetch a couple 1sts to some team who just hired an offensive coach from the college ranks. While they still can, before his stock drops too low. He's another one of those QBs who teams must win "in spite of", rather than "because of"... Ravens have a lot of players to pay, especially on D, and they're a defense first team... that would be the smart power play for the Ravens, rather than giving Jackson 40+ million a year he hasn't earned. Zero playoff wins and neither losses were close.
Pssssh.
Check out the receiver drops vs Tennessee. Including 2 for TDs. OLine can't clear room on 4th and 1 not once but twice?
How the hell is that on Jackson?

The defense couldn't get a stop vs the Stoolers for the win. Altho we can agree the 40 yard *pass interference* that propelled Rapeburger on the winning t.d. drive was suspect. Of course network showed zero replays.

[Blake]

If defenses haven't figured him out then what might be another reason he is struggling? Anyone?

[DAF86]

If defenses haven't figured him out then what might be another reason he is struggling? Anyone?

There can be many different reasons why players struggle: injuries, momentary confidence issues, lost of talent on teammates, opposing teams adjusting to you (without getting to the point of figuring you out).

Mahomes and the Chiefs were 6-4 last season and people were already dismissing them. As it turns out, they hadn't been figured out, they were just having a rough patch, like every team and player faces many times during their careers.

[Millennial_Messiah]

There can be many different reasons why players struggle: injuries, momentary confidence issues, lost of talent on teammates, opposing teams adjusting to you (without getting to the point of figuring you out).

Mahomes and the Chiefs were 6-4 last season and people were already dismissing them. As it turns out, they hadn't been figured out, they were just having a rough patch, like every team and player faces many times during their careers.
Difference is, Mahomes can throw his way out of that kind of a hole. RG8 cannot.

[Blake]

There can be many different reasons why players struggle: injuries, momentary confidence issues, lost of talent on teammates, opposing teams adjusting to you (without getting to the point of figuring you out).

Mahomes and the Chiefs were 6-4 last season and people were already dismissing them. As it turns out, they hadn't been figured out, they were just having a rough patch, like every team and player faces many times during their careers.

Yeah Mahomes leg got bent among other team injuries. Chiefs mid 2019 struggling problem solved.

[DAF86]

Yeah Mahomes leg got bent among other team injuries. Chiefs mid 2019 struggling problem solved.

Chiefs went 2-1 without Mahomes. The issues were with him playing.

[i'm_still_beta]

Chiefs went 2-1 without Mahomes. The issues were with him playing.

He had injured his ankle at the end of the 2nd or 3rd quarter of week 1 game against Jacksonville that season. His leg injury against Denver was blessing in disguise. It allowed him to heal his ankle and he was 100% ready at the start of the playoffs

[DAF86]

He had injured his ankle at the end of the 2nd or 3rd quarter of week 1 game against Jacksonville that season. His leg injury against Denver was blessing in disguise. It allowed him to heal his ankle and he was 100% ready at the start of the playoffs

If he kept playing injured the Chiefs might have gone 9-7 and folks would be saying he got figured out.

[Blake]

If he kept playing injured the Chiefs might have gone 9-7 and folks would be saying he got figured out.

No, they would have said he'd been playing injured all year.

[DAF86]

No, they would have said he'd been playing injured all year.

Well, it's no secret Lamar is dealing with some nagging injuries.

[Blake]

Well, it's no secret Lamar is dealing with some nagging injuries.

Nope, don't see anything major like a rolled ankle or missing knee cap.

But if that's what you're going with Jackson struggling, that's fine. It's your opinion.

[MultiTroll]

Nope, don't see anything major like a rolled ankle or missing knee cap.

But if that's what you're going with Jackson struggling, that's fine. It's your opinion.
Hence the term "nagging".

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon2.png Originally Posted by DAF86 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10350293#post10350293)
Well, it's no secret Lamar is dealing with some nagging injuries.

[Blake]

Hence the term "nagging".

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon2.png Originally Posted by DAF86 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10350293#post10350293)
Well, it's no secret Lamar is dealing with some nagging injuries.

I don't see much in the way of "nagging" injury either.

[MultiTroll]

I don't see much in the way of "nagging" injury either.
Where did you look?

[MultiTroll]

Here is a good part of the problem:

Lamar Jackson says teams know what we’re doing, calling out plays (usatoday.com) (https://ravenswire.usatoday.com/2020/11/11/lamar-jackson-says-opponents-are-calling-out-our-plays-and-know-what-were-doing/)

[Blake]

Where did you look?

Google: Lamar jackson nagging

[MultiTroll]

Google: Lamar jackson nagging
Google "Watch a Ravens game" and

NFL Playoffs: Chargers knew '60 to 70 percent' of Ravens offensive plays before they happened - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-playoffs-chargers-knew-60-to-70-percent-of-ravens-offensive-plays-before-they-happened/)

[Blake]

Google "Watch a Ravens game" and

NFL Playoffs: Chargers knew '60 to 70 percent' of Ravens offensive plays before they happened - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-playoffs-chargers-knew-60-to-70-percent-of-ravens-offensive-plays-before-they-happened/)

Yeah that's been my opinion of him this year, even tho that was nearly two years ago. Teams get tape of run first QBs. They spend the off season watching the tendencies, know when and where to close off those gaps quickly.

He really needed to take a step forward this year in the passing game and he hasn't.

[MultiTroll]

Yeah that's been my opinion of him this year, even tho that was nearly two years ago. Teams get tape of run first QBs. They spend the off season watching the tendencies, know when and where to close off those gaps quickly.

He really needed to take a step forward this year in the passing game and he hasn't.
2018 he started like 8 games so there was plenty of tape to view him.
2019 he buttrammed the NFL for 1200 yards rushing and 36 td's on only 6 ints. Until the Tenn choke which we can agree to disagree was 10% on him and 90% on his teamates and vastly overated Harbaugh.

2020 i have seen about parts of 3 games and i will give you he has made some pathetic throws, in momentum changing situations too. That New England game you could sense was gonna be close. Giving up the most probable at least FG just before halftime on a pathetic INT was turrrble. His INT vs Pittsburg was the huge momentum changer of the game which they were leading handily and has Pittsburg and StoolerRef on their heals. Turrble.

That having been said, vs Tenn he drives the team down for the would be winning TD, makes a throw that was gonna be at least 1st and goal (if not a TD) and one of the numb nutts OL did a false start. This type of shit is chronic with this team. Who has more support, Mahomes or Jackson? Not even close.

[Blake]

Mahomes has better coaching to be sure.

If you want to say Lamar is struggling because of a poor support system, I'll buy that too.

But historically speaking, run first/pass second QBs in the NFL have usually always been one year wonders.

[DAF86]

Hey Blake, in a scale from 1 to 10 how figured out did Lamar look to you on that game?

[Blake]

Hey Blake, in a scale from 1 to 10 how figured out did Lamar look to you on that game?

Lol 0. It was the Browns.

[MultiTroll]

27-7 as a starter.

Yes he still needs to have his team pull heads out of asses in a playoff game.

[DAF86]

Lol 0. It was the Browns.

Way to throw in the towel son.

[Blake]

Way to throw in the towel son.

I never said all teams have him figured out, daughter.

The Browns gave him his highest passing total of the season (250) in game #1. The Browns clearly don't have him figured out. Too bad he won't play them every Sunday.

[DAF86]

I never said all teams have him figured out, daughter.

The Browns gave him his highest passing total of the season (250) in game #1. The Browns clearly don't have him figured out. Too bad he won't play them every Sunday.

Jackson is 8-4 on the season. It seems like plenty of teams haven't figured him out, daughter.

[Mark Celibate]

The Browns gave him his highest passing total of the season (250) in game #1. The Browns clearly don't have him figured out. Too bad he won't play them every Sunday.

https://i.gifer.com/ShFe.gif

[Blake]

Jackson is 8-4 on the season. It seems like plenty of teams haven't figured him out, daughter.

:lol gtfo with that rubber glue weak shit.

those 8 wins include Cleveland twice, Dallas, houston, Philly, washington and cincinnati. They still have Jax, NYG, Cincy. He could run the wishbone and beat each team by 3tds.

And if he doesn't, he should apologize to St Patrick for stealing his electoral mvp votes last year and give the trophy back.

[DAF86]

:lol gtfo with that rubber glue weak shit.

those 8 wins include Cleveland twice, Dallas, houston, Philly, washington and cincinnati. They still have Jax, NYG, Cincy. He could run the wishbone and beat each team by 3tds.

And if he doesn't, he should apologize to St Patrick for stealing his electoral mvp votes last year and give the trophy back.

The figured out, one hit wonder, QB is gonna end the season 11-4 :lol

[DAF86]

The figured out, one hit wonder, QB finished the season with an 11-4 record and 30 TDs.

[Blake]

The figured out, one hit wonder, QB finished the season with an 11-4 record and 30 TDs.

"Coming off a league best 14-2 regular season and already tabbed as a Super Bowl contender, the Ravens will have the NFL's "easiest" strength of schedule in 2020."

https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/ravens-have-nfl-s-easiest-strength-of-schedule-in-2020

They also have a great defense.

Just Gtfoh already :lol

[DAF86]

"Coming off a league best 14-2 regular season and already tabbed as a Super Bowl contender, the Ravens will have the NFL's "easiest" strength of schedule in 2020."

https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/ravens-have-nfl-s-easiest-strength-of-schedule-in-2020

They also have a great defense.

Just Gtfoh already :lol

"Easiest strength of schedule". They played in the toughest division in football. :lol

[DAF86]

Blake reverting to outdated articles to defend his shitty take. :lol

will try to come and talk shit when the Ravens lose in the playoffs, purposefully ignoring the fact that Lamar has yet to get a PO win regardless of being figured out or not. :lol

[Blake]

"Easiest strength of schedule". They played in the toughest division in football. :lol

Their 4 division wins were all against Cleveland and cincinnati.

Srs, just stop dude. This is awful.

[Blake]

Blake reverting to outdated articles to defend his shitty take. :lol

will try to come and talk shit when the Ravens lose in the playoffs, purposefully ignoring the fact that Lamar has yet to get a PO win regardless of being figured out or not. :lol

Preemptively shielding for "when" he loses in the playoffs?

Smh

[DAF86]

Their 4 division wins were all against Cleveland and cincinnati.

Srs, just stop dude. This is awful.

Yeah, so? Cleveland is 11-5 this season. 11-3 vs teams not named Ravens. :lol

The overall record for the AFC North is 38-25-1 this year, that's the best of any division. It doesn't matter against whom on that division the Ravens got the wins, because it's still better than any other.

Also, let's not act as if the Ravens wouldn't have beaten the shit out of the Steelers had Lamar played instead of that 3rd string QB on their last meeting. :lol

[i'm_still_beta]

Jamal Jackson is a fraud. Will be exposed again in PO

[DAF86]

Jamal Jackson is a fraud. Will be exposed again in PO

Saying that Jackson is a fool's gold regular season player is way more sensible than saying he was "figured out" after going 11-4, with 30 TD's, and leading the 7th highest scoring offense in the league, tbh.

[Blake]

Yeah, so? Cleveland is 11-5 this season. 11-3 vs teams not named Ravens. :lol

The overall record for the AFC North is 38-25-1 this year, that's the best of any division. It doesn't matter against whom on that division the Ravens got the wins, because it's still better than any other.

Also, let's not act as if the Ravens wouldn't have beaten the shit out of the Steelers had Lamar played instead of that 3rd string QB on their last meeting. :lol

The Ravens, Browns and Steelers were all in the top 5 or 6 in easy strength of schedule.

The Browns just lost to the Jets for Christ's sake

Just stop

[DAF86]

The Ravens, Browns and Steelers were all in the top 5 or 6 in easy strength of schedule.

The Browns just lost to the Jets for Christ's sake

Just stop

Damn, you sure are putting a lot of excuses as to why your figured out, one hit wonder, QB just put together a pretty damn good season, tbh. :lol

What happened son, only 4 teams figured him out?

[FrostKing]

Tannehill rematch

[Blake]

Damn, you sure are putting a lot of excuses as to why your figured out, one hit wonder, QB just put together a pretty damn good season, tbh. :lol

What happened son, only 4 teams figured him out?

You're the one excusing him from the MVP race, daughter.

You're also already excusing his early exit from the playoffs.

Just give it up already.

[DAF86]

You're the one excusing him from the MVP race, daughter.

You're also already excusing his early exit from the playoffs.

Just give it up already.

If you oughta know, Lamar was 7th on my MVP list, tbh.

Anyway, not being in a top 5 MVP list doesn't mean a guy has been "figured out", tbh. But you know that, you are just desperately trying to move the goalposts to defend your retarded take, tbh. Or maybe you don't know that and I'm giving you too much credit for thinking otherwise, and you trully are a full blown retard, instead of just a guy that had a retarded take, tbh. Which one is it son? Retarded take or all-around retard? :lol

[MultiTroll]

Lamar may have to play in his 1st snow game, ever.
40% chance in Buffalo as of today, Tuesday.

I don't like it.

Clear conditions and 2nd place MVP Lamar leads the team to another win.
Snow, gotta give the advantage to Allen and the Bills.

[Blake]

If you oughta know, Lamar was 7th on my MVP list, tbh.

Anyway, not being in a top 5 MVP list doesn't mean a guy has been "figured out", tbh. But you know that, you are just desperately trying to move the goalposts to defend your retarded take, tbh. Or maybe you don't know that and I'm giving you too much credit for thinking otherwise, and you trully are a full blown retard, instead of just a guy that had a retarded take, tbh. Which one is it son? Retarded take or all-around retard? :lol

Excellent post, tbh. Did we ever find out if Manu>Dirk?

[DAF86]

Excellent post, tbh. Did we ever find out if Manu>Dirk?

Figured out, one-hit wonder QB, had a very good season and won his first PO game. :lol

:lol Retarded ass take
:lol trying to move goal posts
:lol looking like an even bigger retard
:lol bumping this now as if this would make his take any less retarded
:lol bitch ass
:lol retarded bitch ass

[Neo.]

Excellent post, tbh. Did we ever find out if Manu>Dirk?

:lmao

[Neo.]

I mean is it so hard to admit he played poorly and has some very clear limitations as a quarterback?

[MultiTroll]

Played great the 1st half.
The pick 101 was brutal.

[DAF86]

I mean is it so hard to admit he played poorly and has some very clear limitations as a quarterback?

Who in the actual fuck ever negated that? He clearly hasn't been figured out, nor a one-hit wonder QB though. Did you pay attention to the discussion before chiming in?

[Neo.]

Who in the actual fuck ever negated that? He clearly hasn't been figured out, nor a one-hit wonder QB though. Did you pay attention to the discussion before chiming in?

:lmao so triggered by nothing :lmao :lmao

[DAF86]

:lmao so triggered by nothing :lmao :lmao

What? :lol

Dude, you are such a weird dumb poster. :lol You always come up with these retarded "you mad" replies when you have nothing else to say. :lol You are stretch aren't you? I can't believe it took me this long to realize. :lol

[Neo.]

What? :lol

Dude, you are such a weird dumb poster. :lol You always come up with these retarded "you mad" replies when you have nothing else to say. :lol You are stretch aren't you? I can't believe it took me this long to realize. :lol

:lmao more triggered

[MultiTroll]

wow on the Pick 101 look how much of an opening Lamar had to run left. We're talking either TD or nice gain.
But it was 3rd and goal so....endzone or bust was the mindset. Would be interesting to see how a run turned out there. If you have to watch the whole video, wait for the overhead view. I tried locking it in at the :35-38 mark.


https://youtu.be/vht7ngCuu5g?t=35

[Seefourdc]

Played great the 1st half.
The pick 101 was brutal.

Played great in the first half?!?! What measuring stick are you using? He didn’t give the game away in the first half yet? They scored 3 points all game. At no point did he play well or they would have had more than 3 points

[MultiTroll]

Played great in the first half?!?! What measuring stick are you using? He didn’t give the game away in the first half yet? They scored 3 points all game. At no point did he play well or they would have had more than 3 points
Actually watching the game.

Opening drive: 12 plays 52 yards. Completes 3rd down pass to give FG kicker very makeable 41 yarder. Yes even in that wind. Kicker shanked it. Right there was a chance for Baltimore to at least get some momentum.
2nd drive: Pinned at their own 10, he does a nice run on 1st down to get some breathing room. 2nd down run the Ravens get stuffed for no gain. 3rd and 5 and plenty of momentum on the line, Jackson does a GREAT scramble to avoid getting sacked and delivers an absolute strike pass to RB Dobbins for the 1st down +. Dobbins drops the fucking ball. Instead of 1st down, Ravens have to punt. Punter shanks the kick out of bounds for only 23 yards. Bills get ball on Ravens 38. They run some plays, get stopped and kick the short field goal.

How the fuck you can blame Jackson at this 0-3 point shows you didn't watch the game / dk football.

Teams exchange nothing burger drives and Ravens have the ball again. This time LJ drives them 40 yards to set up another makeable fg. Kicker double doinks the bars and misses.
Ya that's Jacksons fault.

Throw in a couple more snaps from center that completely missed Jackson and set up 20 yards for a 1st and you got it.

Now the Pick 101? Horrendous. But you asked about the 1st half.



LOL ya it's QBs fault when pass spot on pass is dropped by receiver.
Also when kicker misses two FGs.
Did you watch the 1st half?