Pfizer CEO dumped 60% of his stocks day of vaccine news. Turns out vaccine needs storage at -98 degrees. Basically unusable for wide populations

[hater]

:lmao

What a scam. This bastard CEO and his executives fucked everyone :lmao :lol :lmao


https://twitter.com/businessinsider/status/1326454622140174336?s=19


And some idiots claim for profit pharma is good for humankind :lmao :lol :lmao

[SnakeBoy]

He probably knew Pootin was about to announce 92% effectiveness

[baseline bum]

Welcome to America. Not trusting any of these cocksuckers before they get FDA approval.

[hater]

Welcome to America. Not trusting any of these cocksuckers before they get FDA approval.

I can see the next big headline.

our vaccine is 100% effective. In outer space

[Will Hunting]

Welcome to America. Not trusting any of these cocksuckers before they get FDA approval.
I’m sure it will get FDA approval, but distributing that vaccine is going to be a motherfucker.

[Dirks_Finale]

I’m sure it will get FDA approval, but distributing that vaccine is going to be a motherfucker.

They claim to have a remedy for that. Dry ice and said it can be stored in containers for a week before going bad. Not really believing it but that's what was said.

[SnakeBoy]

Welcome to America. Not trusting any of these cocksuckers before they get FDA approval.

lol yes way too much excitement over a press release

[Trainwreck2100]

They claim to have a remedy for that. Dry ice and said it can be stored in containers for a week before going bad. Not really believing it but that's what was said.

How many freezers on earth get below the average temperature of Antarctica

[Dirks_Finale]

How many freezers on earth get below the average temperature of Antarctica

Going to be challenging. But it actually works out better for us this way as Biden's cabinet wants to abandon the America First policies of Trump and hand out the vaccine to other countries before we are all taken care of.

[ChumpDumper]

Going to be challenging. But it actually works out better for us this way as Biden's cabinet wants to abandon the America First policies of Trump and hand out the vaccine to other countries before we are all taken care of.
:rollin

[Will Hunting]

Going to be challenging. But it actually works out better for us this way as Biden's cabinet wants to abandon the America First policies of Trump and hand out the vaccine to other countries before we are all taken care of.
What’s your source on this, Tim Poole or Ian Miles Cheong?

[SnakeBoy]

I’m sure it will get FDA approval, but distributing that vaccine is going to be a motherfucker.

I don't think it will be that difficult, at least in 1st world countries. First we need to know if these vaccines will have any impact on the spread of the virus or are they just creating asymptomatic super spreaders.

[Spurminator]

Going to be challenging. But it actually works out better for us this way as Biden's cabinet wants to abandon the America First policies of Trump and hand out the vaccine to other countries before we are all taken care of.

Jesus fucking Christ

[baseline bum]

I don't think it will be that difficult, at least in 1st world countries.

What about us though?

[pgardn]

How many freezers on earth get below the average temperature of Antarctica

On the coastline of Antarctica, all of our freezers should be just below.
Its warmed up a bit.

[pgardn]

I don't think it will be that difficult, at least in 1st world countries. First we need to know if these vaccines will have any impact on the spread of the virus or are they just creating asymptomatic super spreaders.

How would this happen?
If this happened with the flu it would not be good.

[pgardn]

Jesus fucking Christ

He reads the truth and stays away from MSM.

[SnakeBoy]

What about us though?

Oh we're fucked

On the bright side, only ~350k deaths to go. In the most optimistic scenario of course.

[DMC]

How many freezers on earth get below the average temperature of Antarctica

-80 freezers are standard lab equipment

[SnakeBoy]

How would this happen?
If this happened with the flu it would not be good.

Start at 1:08


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eXF1ZB79EU&t=2737s

keep listening if you want to hear Trump and Scott Atlas get trashed

[Winehole23]

I’m sure it will get FDA approval, but distributing that vaccine is going to be a motherfucker.Ayup.

Hopefully it's not too tall a technical or health administration challenge for the USA. The trend of recent challenges (such as getting enough PPE, rapid testing and contact tracing in the USA,) does not inspire confidence.

The outbreak is general and completely uncontrolled. The public preparartions currently being made for another spell of largely avoidable mass death in the USA, as far as i can tell, are basically nil.

[SnakeBoy]

Hopefully it's not too tall a technical or health administration challenge for the USA. The trend of recent challenges (such as getting enough PPE, rapid testing and contact tracing in the USA,) does not inspire confidence.


I expect President Biden* will drop all China tariffs so maybe they will help make some freezers

[pgardn]

Start at 1:08


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eXF1ZB79EU&t=2737s

keep listening if you want to hear Trump and Scott Atlas get trashed

I stopped at 1:13
They did not explain how it would happen. They explained that it might happen. I want to hear the mechanism. The host used the cold as an example. I dont know if this is valid as the adenoviruses that cause the common cold mutate with ease. He seemed to be suggesting we are infected by basically the same cold adenoviruses again and again. From an evolutionary perspective it should make sense that these viruses with minor mutations would hang around as their symptoms are minor and in fact the symptoms are absolutely wonderful at spreading cold viruses on surfaces as well as aerosols. And the minor mutations might not alert the immune system or if alerted, the antibodies and the rest of the immune response are not working well. This does not seem to line up with Covid-19 at this point in time. So I may need to listen to this some more.

Thanks for the podcast though.

It sounded like really good stuff.

[Winehole23]

I expect President Biden* will drop all China tariffs so maybe they will help make some freezersMebbe so.

Have you read Biden's campaign v transition COVID plans? Biden crapified his own plan.

[Trainwreck2100]

Going to be challenging. But it actually works out better for us this way as Biden's cabinet wants to abandon the America First policies of Trump and hand out the vaccine to other countries before we are all taken care of.
The Pfizer vaccine was not apart of operation warp speed so there's nothing to abandon

[tholdren]

I stopped at 1:13
They did not explain how it would happen. They explained that it might happen. I want to hear the mechanism. The host used the cold as an example. I dont know if this is valid as the adenoviruses that cause the common cold mutate with ease. He seemed to be suggesting we are infected by basically the same cold adenoviruses again and again. From an evolutionary perspective it should make sense that these viruses with minor mutations would hang around as their symptoms are minor and in fact the symptoms are absolutely wonderful at spreading cold viruses on surfaces as well as aerosols. And the minor mutations might not alert the immune system or if alerted, the antibodies and the rest of the immune response are not working well. This does not seem to line up with Covid-19 at this point in time. So I may need to listen to this some more.

Thanks for the podcast though.

It sounded like really good stuff.

You have
No math understanding

[johnsmith]

Well this is disappointing and incredibly predictable all at the same time.

[SnakeBoy]

I stopped at 1:13
They did not explain how it would happen. They explained that it might happen. I want to hear the mechanism. The host used the cold as an example. I dont know if this is valid as the adenoviruses that cause the common cold mutate with ease. He seemed to be suggesting we are infected by basically the same cold adenoviruses again and again. From an evolutionary perspective it should make sense that these viruses with minor mutations would hang around as their symptoms are minor and in fact the symptoms are absolutely wonderful at spreading cold viruses on surfaces as well as aerosols. And the minor mutations might not alert the immune system or if alerted, the antibodies and the rest of the immune response are not working well. This does not seem to line up with Covid-19 at this point in time. So I may need to listen to this some more.

Thanks for the podcast though.

It sounded like really good stuff.

They've discussed in previous episodes but I can't reference you to exactly which one, they're usually 2 1/2 hours long. TWIV is the podcast to listen to for real science updates and discussion.

Once a week Dr. Daniel Griffin gives a clinical update which is really good. You get some interesting insider tidbits as well. Like Trump's pcr test results lol

[SnakeBoy]

Mebbe so.

Have you read Biden's campaign v transition COVID plans? Biden crapified his own plan.

No. What is his crapified plan?

His campaign plan was lockdown the virus without locking down the people so how much more crapified can a plan be.

[Winehole23]

No. What is his crapified plan?

His campaign plan was lockdown the virus without locking down the people so how much more crapified can a plan be.


First, this new plan (https://buildbackbetter.com/priorities/covid-19/) isn’t the same as the one on the Biden campaign site (https://joebiden.com/covid-plan/). The campaign version had no mention of contact tracing, while this iteration does. But if you simply skim the campaign version versus the president-presumptive one, you’ll see tons of program proposals from the campaign have vanished, like emergency paid leave (with reimbursements to employers), income support for gig workers whose pay has declined, rental assistance, and support for small businesses.

The campaign plan also had sweeping promises about paying for all Covid treatments, not just testing. For instance, this section, by using the term “balance billing” clearly meant it included hospitalizations and emergency room visits:


All copayments, deductibles and any cost-sharing for treatment for COVID-19 for insured. Providers will submit cost-sharing claims to NDMS that document private insurance contractual arrangement for co-payments. To ensure maximum provider participation and minimum billing abuses to consumers, current Medicare law’s “conditions of participation” and system-wide prohibitions against balance billing and surprise medical bills will apply. To guard against fraud and abuse by bad-apple health care providers, harsh civil and monetary penalties under the False Claims Act will apply.



There’s not a peep about any of this in the new version. All it has regarding “treatments,” in context, is new medications to reduce the severity and/or length of a Covid infection, and not, say, being administered oxygen in a hospital:


Plan for the effective, equitable distribution of treatments and vaccines — because development isn’t enough if they aren’t effectively distributed.



The lack of financial support for workers to stay at home because they are sick, quarantined, or just waiting for test results makes it difficult to treat this scheme as serious. And the failure to even ask for the government to cover all Covid treatment costs, not just the kind that can be administered with a needle means a lot of people who have or think they have Covid won’t seek treatment until they are really really ill, increasing the load on hospitals and producing worse outcomes.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/11/quick-comments-on-the-biden-harris-covid-plan-not-much-sizzle-and-no-steak.html
https://joebiden.com/covid19/
https://buildbackbetter.com/priorities/covid-19/

[SnakeBoy]

The host used the cold as an example. I dont know if this is valid as the adenoviruses that cause the common cold mutate with ease. He seemed to be suggesting we are infected by basically the same cold adenoviruses again and again.

They were referencing the 4 HCov's (cold viruses) which if you live on earth you have been infected with and continually get reinfected with.

[hater]

-80 freezers are standard lab equipment

Not good enough for Pzifer :lol

[hater]

Ayup.

Hopefully it's not too tall a technical or health administration challenge for the USA. The trend of recent challenges (such as getting enough PPE, rapid testing and contact tracing in the USA,) does not inspire confidence.

The outbreak is general and completely uncontrolled. The public preparartions currently being made for another spell of largely avoidable mass death in the USA, as far as i can tell, are basically nil.

Al our freezers are being used up to store dead bodies.

A 5 day lifespan is impossible for a vaccine that has to be available in all corners 9of USA much less earth.

[hater]

What about us though?

Japan and Korea already said they are not ready to distribute Pfizer vaccine. So us? :lmao

We are royally fucked. Thats why the CEO dumped all his stock :lol

[Winehole23]

Al our freezers are being used up to store dead bodies.

A 5 day lifespan is impossible for a vaccine that has to be available in all corners 9of USA much less earth.The Pfizer vaccine is merely the first to cross the finish line, There'll be others.

[ElNono]

Al our freezers are being used up to store dead bodies.

A 5 day lifespan is impossible for a vaccine that has to be available in all corners 9of USA much less earth.

It'll be fine for city folks and suburbs. Farmers don't believe in vaccines anyways, tbh

[Neo.]

-80 freezers are standard lab equipment

1) -80 is not -94, which is the required storage temperature

2) even if labs have them, most hospitals, clinics and pharmacies don't have such equipment

[hater]

Looks like the Moderna vaccine is same fraud

Moderna CEO Stephane Bancel made news this morning by stating that Moderna would be pausing its Covid-19 trial enrollment to ensure ethnic diversity among the participants. That was reported by CNBC, but the real news regarding Moderna and its stock is readily available via SEC filings.

This is extraordinary. I have been reading SEC documents for the past three decades and I have never seen such a mismatch between insider selling and (largely nonexistent in the case of MRNA) insider buying.

CEO Bancel's sales are mostly carried out through a 10b5-1 program, in which periodic sales are executed. Often this is to fulfill tax obligations on shares that are granted via options and restricted shares granted through ownership programs.

Forbes


Moderna vaccine also has to be stored in dry ice and such.

These pharma companies are scamming the fuck out of us :lol


Capitalism :lol

[hater]

Why work to develop a product when you can make millions pretending to work for it?

:lmao

[Will Hunting]

Why work to develop a product when you can make millions pretending to work for it?

:lmao
:lol Operation Welfare Speed

[DMC]

1) -80 is not -94, which is the required storage temperature

2) even if labs have them, most hospitals, clinics and pharmacies don't have such equipment

You could be confusing Celsius with Fahrenheit.

This kind of stuff ships on dry ice all the time and gets stored in ultra low freezers.

"The main issue is that the vaccine, which is based on a novel technology that uses synthetic mRNA to activate the immune system against the virus, needs to be kept at minus 70 degrees Celsius (-94 F) or below."

[DMC]

So is everyone freaking out over a standard , 6.5K dollar ultra low freezer? That's the roadblock? :lol

[Winehole23]

Who's freaking out abut what now?

[Will Hunting]

So is everyone freaking out over a standard , 6.5K dollar ultra low freezer? That's the roadblock? :lol
be careful, there’s two diff freezer scandals right now (vaccine freezer and Pelosi’s freezer) and your post could be referring to either one :lol

[DMC]

Not good enough for Pzifer :lol


How many freezers on earth get below the average temperature of Antarctica


I can see the next big headline.

our vaccine is 100% effective. In outer space


1) -80 is not -94, which is the required storage temperature

2) even if labs have them, most hospitals, clinics and pharmacies don't have such equipment


Who's freaking out abut what now?

All this guessing and parlor talk from dabblers is amusing, but needless. It's not at all uncommon for these things to ship on dry ice and be stored for days that way. A small ultra low temp freezer can store up to 40K 2mL vials. Are people worried that small towns can't afford a $6.5K freezer?

https://k2sci.com/10-cu-ft-ultra-low-50-c-to-86-c-temperature-freezer/?gclid=Cj0KCQiA-rj9BRCAARIsANB_4AA5waeTelOLnoeS6uku5SSm-6_7h2m2aWDdVikYp-xqLOvqitx7p-saAhvEEALw_wcB

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-mnhq0tp2jq/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/131/496/K210ULT-DOOR-OPENED-COMPARTMENT-OPENED-ANGLED-edited-Pixlr-white-bg__48312.1554743611.jpg

Your end of world types would bitch if you were hung with a new rope.

[ChumpDumper]

There are places like the USVI that don't have them at all but contingencies are being worked out if the 60 Minutes story is to be believed. Rubes are going to be upset at how little vaccine will be initially shipped and who gets it first. Biden's probably going to look like Superman if he owns distribution as part of his first hundred days.

[hater]

We couldnt even properly handle a 15$ antibody test. So yeah we are not ready for this :lmao

Maybe we should just bomb wuhan and call it a day :lmao

[Winehole23]

Your end of world types would bitch if you were hung with a new rope.Only saw one of those ITT, hater.

[hater]

So is everyone freaking out over a standard , 6.5K dollar ultra low freezer? That's the roadblock? :lol

Now multiply that times enough freezers to store a billion doses spread in every corner of the US.

Thats not even mentioning transportation logistics.

Its ok Nancy. This is hard. :lmao

[DMC]

We couldnt even properly handle a 15$ antibody test. So yeah we are not ready for this :lmao

Maybe we should just bomb wuhan and call it a day :lmao

Thought this was about the US.

[DMC]

Now multiply that times enough freezers to store a billion doses spread in every corner of the US.

Thats not even mentioning transportation logistics.

Its ok Nancy. This is hard. :lmao
Why would you store them instead of administer them? They last up to 15 days on dry ice if it's replenished.

Do you think this isn't already being done worldwide with other medical items? :lol 3rd world ignorance

Just admit some of you don't know the difference between Celsius and Fahrenheit.

:lol oh noes, they have to be in a freezer! That's the roadblock to saving the world!

[Rummpd]

I am a public health doctor and other vaccinations have a cold chain and:or take multiple doses. Nothing to see here except some logistics challenges. I have given vaccines in Nigeria and South America and believe my the USA can get many people vaccinated and props this vaccine if truly proves 90 per cent effective.

[hater]

We shall see nancy.

This thread aint going away. So we will report as the shitshow develops :lmao

[DMC]

We shall see nancy.

This thread aint going away. So we will report as the shitshow develops :lmao

:lol shits the bed
:lol offers a draw

[SnakeBoy]

Dry ice shortage could slow down COVID-19 vaccine distribution
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dry-ice-shortage-could-slow-down-covid-19-vaccine-distribution/ar-BB1aT7SN


However, there's a shortage of CO2 caused by the pandemic, which is delaying the production of dry ice and could ultimately slow down vaccine distribution.

lol if a CO2 shortage limits distribution

[Rummpd]

There will be issues with any vaccine but considering the alternative this country will work through!

[hater]

Dry ice shortage could slow down COVID-19 vaccine distribution
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dry-ice-shortage-could-slow-down-covid-19-vaccine-distribution/ar-BB1aT7SN



lol if a CO2 shortage limits distribution

:lmao Nancy :lmao :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Why lol?

[Winehole23]

Why would you store them instead of administer them? They last up to 15 days on dry ice if it's replenished.

Do you think this isn't already being done worldwide with other medical items? :lol 3rd world ignorance

Just admit some of you don't know the difference between Celsius and Fahrenheit.

:lol oh noes, they have to be in a freezer! That's the roadblock to saving the world!The storage problem was pointed out by others weeks ago in related threads, it's not like this is a surprise or anything. This is one of the things we knew about the Pfizer vaccine.


https://indianexpress.com/article/world/vaccine-storage-issues-could-leave-three-billion-people-without-access-6789108/
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/reports/types-of-covid-19-vaccines
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/about-vaccines/how-they-work.html

[Rummpd]

The storage problem was pointed out by others weeks ago in related threads, it's not like this is a surprise or anything. This is one of the things we knew about the Pfizer vaccine.


https://indianexpress.com/article/world/vaccine-storage-issues-could-leave-three-billion-people-without-access-6789108/
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/reports/types-of-covid-19-vaccines
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/about-vaccines/how-they-work.html


There will be more than one approved vaccine likely this coming year and each may have its pros and cons but some are acting like any issue is a show stopper. It is incredibly complicated to develop, transport and give vaccines for public health usage, but it can be done effectively even way back to the earliest polio campaigns. Props to all those working to make this happen and put politics aside.

[Neo.]

You could be confusing Celsius with Fahrenheit.

This kind of stuff ships on dry ice all the time and gets stored in ultra low freezers.

"The main issue is that the vaccine, which is based on a novel technology that uses synthetic mRNA to activate the immune system against the virus, needs to be kept at minus 70 degrees Celsius (-94 F) or below."

i didnt confuse anything. and i never said anything wasnt doable. i simply said that most hospitals and clinics do not have those types of freezers.


All this guessing and parlor talk from dabblers is amusing, but needless. It's not at all uncommon for these things to ship on dry ice and be stored for days that way. A small ultra low temp freezer can store up to 40K 2mL vials. Are people worried that small towns can't afford a $6.5K freezer?

https://k2sci.com/10-cu-ft-ultra-low-50-c-to-86-c-temperature-freezer/?gclid=Cj0KCQiA-rj9BRCAARIsANB_4AA5waeTelOLnoeS6uku5SSm-6_7h2m2aWDdVikYp-xqLOvqitx7p-saAhvEEALw_wcB

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-mnhq0tp2jq/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/131/496/K210ULT-DOOR-OPENED-COMPARTMENT-OPENED-ANGLED-edited-Pixlr-white-bg__48312.1554743611.jpg

Your end of world types would bitch if you were hung with a new rope.

and apparently its all a piece of cake in your mind "oh yeah, lets just spend billions on getting a bunch of tiny freezers manufactured and transported to all the hospitals and clinics in america to get over a hundred million people vaccinated!" shouldnt take any time at all i suppose :rollin

again no one said its not doable, just that its going to take a lot more time and effort than some people seem to think, especially factoring in the utter ineptitude of the government in general. and lets not act like its a done deal that this vaccine is even the solution. lol didnt reports say it was 90% effective in less than 100 tests? rofl not much of a sample size, doesnt account for the constant mutation that has been seen around the world, and doesnt give us any idea of how long the immunity will actually last. maybe theres more than meets the eye, im no scientist obviously. to me, there is nothing too terribly encouraging about the reports so far. then again its better than nothing at all.

[hater]

:lmao Nancy

[hater]

i didnt confuse anything. and i never said anything wasnt doable. i simply said that most hospitals and clinics do not have those types of freezers.



and apparently its all a piece of cake in your mind "oh yeah, lets just spend billions on getting a bunch of tiny freezers manufactured and transported to all the hospitals and clinics in america to get over a hundred million people vaccinated!" shouldnt take any time at all i suppose :rollin

again no one said its not doable, just that its going to take a lot more time and effort than some people seem to think, especially factoring in the utter ineptitude of the government in general. and lets not act like its a done deal that this vaccine is even the solution. lol didnt reports say it was 90% effective in less than 100 tests? rofl not much of a sample size, doesnt account for the constant mutation that has been seen around the world, and doesnt give us any idea of how long the immunity will actually last. maybe theres more than meets the eye, im no scientist obviously. to me, there is nothing too terribly encouraging about the reports so far. then again its better than nothing at all.

Not to mention seems this vaccine has medium side effects according to ppl that took it. Headaches, body aches, etc.

[phxspurfan]

Not to mention seems this vaccine has medium side effects according to ppl that took it. Headaches, body aches, etc.

those are listed on every vaccine you take. Fuck, my dog has puked after getting a rabies shot

[Rummpd]

Amazing I have worked in public health 25 years and helped with vaccine campaigns in three countries and amazed at all the “expertise” who feel US cannot deploy vaccines - sure there will be issues and the media will dramatize every one but in the end dozens of millions will be vaccinated. This is not friggin Nigeria where I did polio work where the dysfunctional government impeded things. It may take awhile and it won’t be easy and without issues but the USA will get it done- book it.

[hater]

Amazing I have worked in public health 25 years and helped with vaccine campaigns in three countries and amazed at all the “expertise” who feel US cannot deploy vaccines - sure there will be issues and the media will dramatize every one but in the end dozens of millions will be vaccinated. This is not friggin Nigeria where I did polio work where the dysfunctional government impeded things. It may take awhile and it won’t be easy and without issues but the USA will get it done- book it.

Nigeria did q better job containing the pandemic. Btw nigeria did an excellent job vs ebola as well.

Im tired of "experts" saying this is tbe USA and we will do excellent.

That ship has sailed. It has sailed with 250k rotting american corpses. Sorry

[DMC]

The storage problem was pointed out by others weeks ago in related threads, it's not like this is a surprise or anything. This is one of the things we knew about the Pfizer vaccine.


https://indianexpress.com/article/world/vaccine-storage-issues-could-leave-three-billion-people-without-access-6789108/
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/reports/types-of-covid-19-vaccines
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/about-vaccines/how-they-work.html

You're a vaccine expert too?

[DMC]

i didnt confuse anything. and i never said anything wasnt doable. i simply said that most hospitals and clinics do not have those types of freezers.


Dude, I quoted you "1) -80 is not -94, which is the required storage temperature"

Then I showed you the actual quote from the website:

"The main issue is that the vaccine, which is based on a novel technology that uses synthetic mRNA to activate the immune system against the virus, needs to be kept at minus 70 degrees Celsius (-94 F) or below."
In fact the required storage temp is given in F, not C. The freezer is -80 degrees C. Plenty cold for -94 degrees F requirement.

You're the one who argued against the -80 degree freezer without knowing anything about it.



and apparently its all a piece of cake in your mind "oh yeah, lets just spend billions on getting a bunch of tiny freezers manufactured and transported to all the hospitals and clinics in america to get over a hundred million people vaccinated!" shouldnt take any time at all i suppose :rollin

again no one said its not doable, just that its going to take a lot more time and effort than some people seem to think, especially factoring in the utter ineptitude of the government in general. and lets not act like its a done deal that this vaccine is even the solution. lol didnt reports say it was 90% effective in less than 100 tests? rofl not much of a sample size, doesnt account for the constant mutation that has been seen around the world, and doesnt give us any idea of how long the immunity will actually last. maybe theres more than meets the eye, im no scientist obviously. to me, there is nothing too terribly encouraging about the reports so far. then again its better than nothing at all.

It is a piece of cake. Buy freezers, install them. Done.

[DMC]

Not to mention seems this vaccine has medium side effects according to ppl that took it. Headaches, body aches, etc.

I hear COVID has a few as well.

[DMC]

88000 pharmacies in the US. about 6500 hospitals, 1500 or so clinics. If we say a hundred thousand sites for covid vaccine administering, and not a single one has an ultra low temp storage unit, then we put on average a 12K dollar unit in each location, that's about 1.2 billion. That's pocket change compared to the alternative and what we've already spent on testing in only one or two states. This is not a logistical issue. This is already happening with other instrumentation across the globe daily. For Hooterville and Podunk, mobile labs with on-board freezers and doc in a box at your beckon call.

[Neo.]

Dude, I quoted you "1) -80 is not -94, which is the required storage temperature"

Then I showed you the actual quote from the website:

"The main issue is that the vaccine, which is based on a novel technology that uses synthetic mRNA to activate the immune system against the virus, needs to be kept at minus 70 degrees Celsius (-94 F) or below."
In fact the required storage temp is given in F, not C. The freezer is -80 degrees C. Plenty cold for -94 degrees F requirement.

You're the one who argued against the -80 degree freezer without knowing anything about it.

lol we had already been talking about the degrees in F. you suddenly changed it to C without clarification. I literally had nothing confused here


It is a piece of cake. Buy freezers, install them. Done.

that's two steps among many others to get the vaccine distributed. good for you though! :tu

[Neo.]

88000 pharmacies in the US. about 6500 hospitals, 1500 or so clinics. If we say a hundred thousand sites for covid vaccine administering, and not a single one has an ultra low temp storage unit, then we put on average a 12K dollar unit in each location, that's about 1.2 billion. That's pocket change compared to the alternative and what we've already spent on testing in only one or two states. This is not a logistical issue. This is already happening with other instrumentation across the globe daily. For Hooterville and Podunk, mobile labs with on-board freezers and doc in a box at your beckon call.

lol so apparently there's no cost for the vaccine, transportation, labor, training, among many other things. you're completely retarded :lmao

again no one is saying it's astronomically expensive or difficult. just that it's still going to take some time, preparation and money, none of which the government seems particularly good at managing so far.

[baseline bum]

Amazing I have worked in public health 25 years and helped with vaccine campaigns in three countries and amazed at all the “expertise” who feel US cannot deploy vaccines - sure there will be issues and the media will dramatize every one but in the end dozens of millions will be vaccinated. This is not friggin Nigeria where I did polio work where the dysfunctional government impeded things. It may take awhile and it won’t be easy and without issues but the USA will get it done- book it.

Man, can't imagine a dysfunctional government impeding action against COVID here.

[Winehole23]

You're a vaccine expert too?Nope, just trying to share such correct information as may be known to me. Please feel free to add your own sources of information, if any.

[ChumpDumper]

Man, can't imagine a dysfunctional government impeding action against COVID here.From the looks of it, the logistical software will probably fail before anything else.

[hater]

88000 pharmacies in the US. about 6500 hospitals, 1500 or so clinics.

And we got obliterated by a flu virus

These things we know

[DMC]

And we got obliterated by a flu virus

These things we know

Unrelated "yabut" from low information doomsdayer.

[DMC]

lol so apparently there's no cost for the vaccine, transportation, labor, training, among many other things. you're completely retarded :lmao

again no one is saying it's astronomically expensive or difficult. just that it's still going to take some time, preparation and money, none of which the government seems particularly good at managing so far.

That was for freezer costs as I said. You shit the bed on the temp thing. Stick to what you know.

[DMC]

lol we had already been talking about the degrees in F. you suddenly changed it to C without clarification. I literally had nothing confused here



that's two steps among many others to get the vaccine distributed. good for you though! :tu

-80 degree freezers are a standard lab item. Google is your friend.

You have to tackle one obstacle at a time. Right now you're bitching about freezers. It's easy as fuck to solve that. Distribution networks exist now, pretty sure Pfizer has that under control already. Again, you're creating imaginary problems to feel anxiety over something that's a daily occurrence now. Do some research then come back with a list of obstacles.

[Neo.]

That was for freezer costs as I said. You shit the bed on the temp thing. Stick to what you know.


-80 degree freezers are a standard lab item. Google is your friend.

You have to tackle one obstacle at a time. Right now you're bitching about freezers. It's easy as fuck to solve that. Distribution networks exist now, pretty sure Pfizer has that under control already. Again, you're creating imaginary problems to feel anxiety over something that's a daily occurrence now. Do some research then come back with a list of obstacles.

when did I ever complain about freezers? lol you just overreacted to my post where we simply weren't on the same page about a temperature, and that while you made a claim that such freezers are standard lab equipment, I simply stated it's not necessarily standard hospital, clinic or pharmacy equipment.

I even stated multiple times it's doable, and that my main skepticism is with the government itself and their history of being incompetent and idiotic in how they handle basically everything. not sure why you're getting so bent out of shape :lmao

[Neo.]

And we got obliterated by a flu virus

These things we know

but but but logistics for the government is just so simple! it's just a matter of quarranting everyone who comes from out of town and not letting infected people be among the general public until they are covid free! this country could have been covid free from the get go! how about let's just blame people who question the competency of the government? :tu

[pgardn]

Why lol?

Snakeoil knows better.

Its for a lack of Solid CO2, not the atmospheric greenhouse gas CO2.

To turn a gas into a solid costs $ and requires a market. People stopped using solid CO2 for cooling beverages and food down because it quickly sublimates to a gas very easily and blows out coolers that cant handle the pressure build up. The technology of ice chests has gotten better so its not needed like it once was. Worse, it can turn an ice chest into a bomb, never put it into a fancy Yeti that locks air tight. You have to bleed the sublimated CO2 off. Its a hassle if you have not done it before. It can be good for long camping trips if you know how to use it with water ice.

Its kind of funny because of all these Trumpsters claiming they are choking on CO2 when wearing a mask. If snakeman wants funny: put 3 cakes of dry ice (solid CO2) in the car and close all the windows in the summer. You will stay cool if you are near it and stay low in the car, and you will also suffocate. Id rather Derp try it while wearing a mask in his car so he can provide proof for the danger of masks with his corpse.

[pgardn]

That was for freezer costs as I said. You shit the bed on the temp thing. Stick to what you know.

God...
The hypocrisy is amazing.

[SnakeBoy]

Snakeoil knows better.

Its for a lack of Solid CO2, not the atmospheric greenhouse gas CO2.

To turn a gas into a solid costs $ and requires a market. People stopped using solid CO2 for cooling beverages and food down because it quickly sublimates to a gas very easily and blows out coolers that cant handle the pressure build up. The technology of ice chests has gotten better so its not needed like it once was. Worse, it can turn an ice chest into a bomb, never put it into a fancy Yeti that locks air tight. You have to bleed the sublimated CO2 off. Its a hassle if you have not done it before. It can be good for long camping trips if you know how to use it with water ice.

Its kind of funny because of all these Trumpsters claiming they are choking on CO2 when wearing a mask. If snakeman wants funny: put 3 cakes of dry ice (solid CO2) in the car and close all the windows in the summer. You will stay cool if you are near it and stay low in the car, and you will also suffocate. Id rather Derp try it while wearing a mask in his car so he can provide proof for the danger of masks with his corpse.

:lol

[tholdren]

God...
The hypocrisy is amazing.

How about them hospitals?

[DMC]

God...
The hypocrisy is amazing.

If I stop suddenly your face will be in my asshole.

[DMC]

when did I ever complain about freezers? lol you just overreacted to my post where we simply weren't on the same page about a temperature, and that while you made a claim that such freezers are standard lab equipment, I simply stated it's not necessarily standard hospital, clinic or pharmacy equipment.

I even stated multiple times it's doable, and that my main skepticism is with the government itself and their history of being incompetent and idiotic in how they handle basically everything. not sure why you're getting so bent out of shape :lmao

But the government should run the entire HC system.

[Neo.]

But the government should run the entire HC system.

did i say that?

[Winehole23]

did i say that?The hostile inferences and strawmen get old fast but they just keep coming. Enjoy!

[hater]

But the government should run the entire HC system.

Strawman from low information poster

[pgardn]

If I stop suddenly your face will be in my asshole.

This sounds like a playblair offering to the board as a whole.
If it turns you on chief, dream big.

[DMC]

Strawman from low information poster

eh

[DMC]

This sounds like a playblair offering to the board as a whole.
If it turns you on chief, dream big.

uh huh

[DMC]

did i say that?

Talk more about all the logistical problems.

[Neo.]

Talk more about all the logistical problems.

you fold. got it :tu

[DMC]

you fold. got it :tu

Did you Google Celsius yet?

[hater]

you fold. got it :tu

Yup. Nancy folded faster than Stormy Daniels at Trump Tower.

[Neo.]

Did you Google Celsius yet?

does it still hurt?