Pelosi's replacement as speaker

[CosmicCowboy]

Who do you think it will be?

[Reck]

AOC for the trigger memes.






Seriously though, anyone else would do at this point.

[Will Hunting]

Unless OP knows something we don't about Pelosi not being speaker in 2021, this convo is premature. She'll be speaker for this cycle but then in 2022 they'll lose the house due to poor midterm turnout as well as new and innovative GOP gerrymandering. It'll be 2026 at the earliest until we have this conversation.

[FrostKing]

then in 2022 they'll lose the house due to poor midterm turnout as well as new and innovative GOP gerrymandering.
People want to live in progressive nations but conservative neighborhoods.

[Will Hunting]

It'll probably be Hakeem Jeffries though whenever Pelosi is replaced as speaker.

He's a Joe Crowley disciple so the DNC establishment can trust him to shit on progressives and AOC while prioritizing the status quo Dem political machine over helping poor people. He's also well-spoken and black, so it'll be that much tougher for progressives to convince people he's a corporate centrist.

[Will Hunting]

People want to live in progressive nations but conservative neighborhoods.
Cool story. Keep repeating your stupid catchphrase and maybe it'll become true.

[Reck]

It'll probably be Hakeem Jeffries though whenever Pelosi is replaced as speaker.

He's a Joe Crowley disciple so the DNC establishment can trust him to shit on progressives and AOC while prioritizing the status quo Dem political machine over helping poor people. He's also well-spoken and black, so it'll be that much tougher for progressives to convince people he's a corporate centrist.

Dude, progressives make for good congressmen/senators and to serve as a check on the leadership but they're not equipped to actually lead.

They're too blinded by their own ideologies.

Trump is why we have actual nutcases in congress now. QAnons and the types.

[FrostKing]

Cool story. Keep repeating your stupid catchphrase and maybe it'll become true.
Lebron chooses to live with old white people.

[ElNono]

People want to live in progressive nations but conservative neighborhoods.

lmao, that's why Dear Loser was begging suburban women to vote for him?

[Will Hunting]

Lebron chooses to live with old white people.
You live in California, right? Seems strange that you think others want to live in a conservative neighborhood when you probably don't.

I'd much rather live in San Francisco or Washington DC than West Virginia or Mississippi though.

[Will Hunting]

Dude, progressives make for good congressmen/senators and to serve as a check on the leadership but they're not equipped to actually lead.

They're too blinded by their own ideologies.

Trump is why we have actual nutcases in congress now. QAnons and the types.
Far right: "The Jews will not replace us! QAnon is real!"

Far left: "We need universal healthcare and climate change reform."

Centrists (i.e. like the post I'm replying to): "We need to get both of these extremes out of politics!"

[Winehole23]

Unless OP knows something we don't about Pelosi not being speaker in 2021, this convo is premature. She'll be speaker for this cycle but then in 2022 they'll lose the house due to poor midterm turnout as well as new and innovative GOP gerrymandering. It'll be 2026 at the earliest until we have this conversation.By then Democratic Party membership might be illegal.

[Reck]

Far right: "The Jews will not replace us! QAnon is real!"

Far left: "We need universal healthcare and climate change reform."

Centrists (i.e. like the post I'm replying to): "We need to get both of these extremes out of politics!"

The problem is they muddle their own talking points and policies with stuff like defund the police and oh btw I'm a super duper socialist.

I have no idea why AOC gave herself that label. Like why?

[FrostKing]

You live in California, right? Seems strange that you think others want to live in a conservative neighborhood when you probably don't.

I'd much rather live in San Francisco or Washington DC than West Virginia or Mississippi though.
My mayor is Republican. For example this city prioritizes law enforcement within a state that just gave voting rights to felons and rejected toughening sentences in criminal cases.

Assuming we are talking middle class, I rather live and raise a family in the after mentioned. Hence why there is anger in DC from the black community that white 20-30 yr olds enjoy the city and then run off with their tax dollars to the suburbs when it is time to set roots.

[Will Hunting]

The problem is they muddle their own talking points and policies with stuff like defund the police and oh btw I'm a super duper socialist.

I have no idea why AOC gave herself that label. Like why?
There's literally one congresswoman who's for defunding the police, and no I'm not saying Cori Bush should be speaker. All I was saying is that a complete establishment prostitute who actively works to defeat progressive policies shouldn't be speaker. I consider people like Sherrod Brown and Stacey Abrams "progressives" (Sherrod Brown calls himself a progressive for that matter), are you saying they'd be bad speakers?

Regarding "defund the police" - when did AOC ever say she wanted to defund the police? This is a narrative the establishment Dems are running with to try and discredit and hurt a progressive movement that's growing. Defund the police is a fringe idea that really doesn't have any support beyond BLM protesters. AOC is handling it horribly by running her mouth on twitter but the ultimate issue is messaging more than anything else, which the establishment Dems are just as bad at if not even worse at than progressives are. Dems have been awful on messaging as long as I've been old enough to follow politics, and that was long before the emergence of AOC + 3.

[Reck]

There's literally one congresswoman who's for defunding the police, and no I'm not saying Cori Bush should be speaker. All I was saying is that a complete establishment prostitute who actively works to defeat progressive policies shouldn't be speaker. I consider people like Sherrod Brown and Stacey Abrams "progressives" (Sherrod Brown calls himself a progressive for that matter), are you saying they'd be bad speakers?

Regarding "defund the police" - when did AOC ever say she wanted to defund the police? This is a narrative the establishment Dems are running with to try and discredit and hurt a progressive movement that's growing. Defund the police is a fringe idea that really doesn't have any support beyond BLM protesters. AOC is handling it horribly by running her mouth on twitter but the ultimate issue is messaging more than anything else, which the establishment Dems are just as bad at if not even worse at than progressives are. Dems have been awful on messaging as long as I've been old enough to follow politics, and that was long before the emergence of AOC + 3.

I'm not sure where you're going with senators becoming house speakers. Is that even possible?

I consider the two you mentioned progressive senators as well but they're not as obtuse as...say Bernie Sanders when it comes to policy making and knowing when to fold them. I hate that whenever Warren agrees with a common sense policy or even with a moderate member of congress she's suddenly a sellout or a fake according to some.

AOC is known for taking extreme positions. I dont recall her calling for defunding the police outright but she's not out there calling against it either. If you remember she was also for abolishing ICE.

I lean to liking AOC most of the time but much like Beto in the heat of the moment they go full retard.

[Chris]

meltdown :lol

[Will Hunting]

Call me crazy, but having a California elitist who’s worth $120 million as the face of Democrats in Congress might be contributing to the messaging issue. I know it makes a lot more sense to blame a saying that’s <1 year old for a messaging problem Democrats have had for decades, but it could be that voters in middle America don’t see how Nancy Pelosi is someone they feel inclined to empower with down ballot Dem votes.

[Reck]

meltdown :lol

Agreed.

You have been pathetic as of late.

[ChumpDumper]

meltdown :lol


shut the fuck up
:lol

[Will Hunting]

I'm not sure where you're going with senators becoming house speakers. Is that even possible?

I consider the two you mentioned progressive senators as well but they're not as obtuse as...say Bernie Sanders when it comes to policy making and knowing when to fold them. I hate that whenever Warren agrees with a common sense policy or even with a moderate member of congress she's suddenly a sellout or a fake according to some.

AOC is known for taking extreme positions. I dont recall her calling for defunding the police outright but she's not out there calling against it either. If you remember she was also for abolishing ICE.

I lean to liking AOC most of the time but much like Beto in the heat of the moment they go full retard.
I was giving examples of people I view as progressive. He couldn’t be speaker. I never said pick someone like Sanders or AOC, but it should be someone who’s focused on working class issues, not a Joe Crowley disciple who’s beholden to the NY political machine. It should also be someone from a state other than NY and CA, it’s beyond fucking stupid how much Democrats lean into conservative talking points by stacking their leadership positions with people from CA/the northeast. Candidates like Cunningham/Greenfield would have had a much easier time if their opponent wasn’t able to say “a vote for X is a vote for le happy Schumer as majority leader!”

ICE is an agency that didn’t exist prior to 9/11, it’s <20 years old. Police have existed in one form or another for thousands of years. I don’t agree with abolishing ICE just because it’s unwise politically, but that’s nowhere near comparable to defund the police in terms of extremism. America did just fine without ICE.

It shouldn’t be AOC’s responsibility to speak out against every single extreme idea she doesn’t support. The fact you think it is shows why Republican messaging is so effective.

[Reck]

It shouldn’t be AOC’s responsibility to speak out against every single extreme idea she doesn’t support. The fact you think it is shows why Republican messaging is so effective.

Wrong.

She makes it her business to speak on those retarded ideas, and thus why she has to constantly explain why she's for x and x positions.

A rule of thumb, if you have to explain something more than once, then you have already lost.

As far as the Iowa senate race goes, I called how the dumb farmers were not going to care about Ernts shitty debate performance. They're too entrenched and it doesn't even have to do with messaging at that point.

[Will Hunting]

Wrong.

She makes it her business to speak on those retarded ideas, and thus why she has to constantly explain why she's for x and x positions.

A rule of thumb, if you have to explain something more than once, then you have already lost.

As far as the Iowa senate race goes, I called how the dumb farmers were not going to care about Ernts shitty debate performance. They're too entrenched and it doesn't even have to do with messaging at that point.
What retarded ideas? You just admitted you can’t recall that she ever said she was for defunding the police.

Youre convinced of this narrative about how “extreme” AOC is because you hear it but you can’t articulate a reason beyond the fact she calls herself a socialist.

[ChumpDumper]

If Trump has to explicitly disavow white supremacy, AOC should have no problem explaining her stance on "defunding."

[Chris]

Reck

[CosmicCowboy]

Republicans and conservative democrats will pick the next speaker.

[Chris]

12 seats flipped so far in the House but Biden "got more votes."

lol

[ChumpDumper]

12 seats flipped so far in the House but Biden "got more votes."

lolYour Trump lost.

Tick tock.

[Chris]

Your Trump lost.

Tick tock.

Media doesn't decide elections.

Tick tock.

[ChumpDumper]

Media doesn't decide elections.

Tick tock.Right. All the states are going to certify Trump's historic loss.

Tick tock.

[Will Hunting]

If Trump has to explicitly disavow white supremacy, AOC should have no problem explaining her stance on "defunding."
Not really. Trump was a presidential candidate, not a congressman from a deep red or deep blue district. AOC’s Republican counterpart is Louie Gohmert, and he says stuff dumber than “Defund the police” on a daily basis.

It’s a problem that Republicans have managed to mindfuck Democrats into thinking “Defund the police” is just as extreme and dangerous as white supremacy is. Centrist Dems are more angry with AOC for not being more vocal opposing Defund the Police than they are Republicans for believing climate change is a hoax.

[ChumpDumper]

Not really. Trump was a presidential candidate, not a congressman from a deep red or deep blue district. AOC’s Republican counterpart is Louie Gohmert, and he says stuff dumber than “Defund the police” on a daily basis.

It’s a problem that Republicans have managed to mindfuck Democrats into thinking “Defund the police” is just as extreme and dangerous as white supremacy is. Centrist Dems are more angry with AOC for not being more vocal opposing Defund the Police than they are Republicans for believing climate change is a hoax.Like it or not AOC is MUCH higher profile than Ghomert, and Louie doesn't hurt Republicans at all.

"Defunding" is a losing proposition forever and all Democrats need to kill it.

[Reck]

What retarded ideas? You just admitted you can’t recall that she ever said she was for defunding the police.

Youre convinced of this narrative about how “extreme” AOC is because you hear it but you can’t articulate a reason beyond the fact she calls herself a socialist.

Just because I said I dont recall doesn't mean she is not in favor of it. She literally posted a dumb tweet giving Manchin the stink eyes for saying defunding the police is not going to happen. Chances are if I do a search I can come up with something. Be back...


AOC defended her position when a 14-year-old student asked her during a virtual town hall meeting to define the meaning of “defund the police.


“I believe the path toward justice is a long arc. Safety is not just an officer with a badge and a gun,” the congresswoman said.
“Our [police budget] is too high,” she said, citing a $6 billion figure for the NYPD.



“I feel very centered and at peace. This is what you brought me to Congress to do,” AOC said.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-defends-defund-the-police-mantra-after-dem-losses

I just gave you ample of examples from defunding the police to abolishing ICE so articulate that. When Trump and the entire republican party make their platform on law and order and immigration, yes, talking about abolishing ICE hurts. You may not think it hurts because you live in a liberal heaven---like me.

I dont need to be convinced of any narratives (Specially of those that actually work :lol) to know it's not only bad optics but bad politically.

I always try to keep an open mind and see what the outlook is beyond my own state. Turns out you actually need candidates to fit their mold within their district to suceed. If you had it your way Will, we'd had Bernie and a second Trump term so I'm not really concerned about the way you try to portray me as some kind of establishment ilk.

I'll take that and a thank you, please.

[Splits]

If Bidet was smart, he'd nominate Pelosi "Green Czar" and the next chapter can begin. She doesn't wanna get her ass kicked by McConnel another 2 years... c'mon

[Splits]

Just because I said I dont recall doesn't mean she is not in favor of it. She literally posted a dumb tweet giving Manchin the stink eyes for saying defunding the police is not going to happen. Chances are if I do a search I can come up with something. Be back...








https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-defends-defund-the-police-mantra-after-dem-losses

I just gave you ample of examples from defunding the police to abolishing ICE so articulate that. When Trump and the entire republican party make their platform on law and order and immigration, yes, talking about abolishing ICE hurts. You may not think it hurts because you live in a liberal heaven---like me.

I dont need to be convinced of any narratives (Specially of those that actually work :lol) to know it's not only bad optics but bad politically.

I always try to keep an open mind and see what the outlook is beyond my own state. Turns out you actually need candidates to fit their mold within their district to suceed. If you had it your way Will, we'd had Bernie and a second Trump term so I'm not really concerned about the way you try to portray me as some kind of establishment ilk.

I'll take that and a thank you, please.

lmao you sound like a DNC mouthpiece.

as for just one example, Bernie would have wiped the floor with Dennison. Absolutely waxed him. People hate Democrats because they don't fight, not for fucking slogans or policy. It's because they're pussies, that's the reason Dems lose. They carry a white flag in their back pocket and always try to "find middle ground". People hate it.

[Reck]

lmao you sound like a DNC mouthpiece.

as for just one example, Bernie would have wiped the floor with Dennison. Absolutely waxed him. People hate Democrats because they don't fight, not for fucking slogans or policy. It's because they're pussies, that's the reason Dems lose. They carry a white flag in their back pocket and always try to "find middle ground". People hate it.

LOL you want to argue who the better candidate was...not gonna happen.

It's self evident.

[Chris]

Reck :lol

[Will Hunting]

:lol Reck got completely bent out of shape because of one post I made about Nancy Pelosi’s Uncle Tom Hakeem Jeffries. Do you know the guy or something Reck?

[CosmicCowboy]

Bernie :lol

[Reck]

:lol Reck got completely bent out of shape because of one post I made about Nancy Pelosi’s Uncle Tom Hakeem Jeffries. Do you know the guy or something Reck (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412)?

Bro, I don’t even know this Hakeem guy you keep referring to as the next Crowley. I’m just speaking to AOC’s part in all of this.

As far as I’m concerned on the speakership, it should be someone other than Pelosi. Refer to my first post here. Lol

[Splits]

LOL you want to argue who the better candidate was...not gonna happen.

It's self evident.

Yeah and ignore everything else. Right at this moment there's a total assault on the credibility of our election system by a vast majority of elected Republicans complicit and there's no rage from Sleepy Joe. He's just moping along.

Grow a fucking pair.

[Will Hunting]

Like it or not AOC is MUCH higher profile than Ghomert, and Louie doesn't hurt Republicans at all.

"Defunding" is a losing proposition forever and all Democrats need to kill it.
Great, then talk to party leadership about it. The reason Gohmert is muzzled and AOC isn’t is because the Democratic Party has atrocious leadership. It’s had a messaging issue for decades. AOC isn’t an my worse at messaging and then your centrist dream candidates like John Kerry and Shillary were.

[Will Hunting]

Bro, I don’t even know this Hakeem guy you keep referring to as the next Crowley. I’m just speaking to AOC’s part in all of this.

As far as I’m concerned on the speakership, it should be someone other than Pelosi. Refer to my first post here. Lol
You responded to a post I made about Jeffries with a lashing out about :cry progressives cost the Dems everything :cry. That’s what I don’t get. I wasn’t even talking about AOC or progressives, I was making fun of Hakeem Jeffries being the next in line Uncle Tom.

[Reck]

Great, then talk to party leadership about it. The reason Gohmert is muzzled and AOC isn’t is because the Democratic Party has atrocious leadership. It’s had a messaging issue for decades. AOC isn’t an my worse at messaging and then your centrist dream candidates like John Kerry and Shillary were.

Republicans dont eat their own.

Democrats eat their own.

Happening in this very thread too.

[Will Hunting]

Yeah and ignore everything else. Right at this moment there's a total assault on the credibility of our election system by a vast majority of elected Republicans complicit and there's no rage from Sleepy Joe. He's just moping along.

Grow a fucking pair.
Not to mention Biden basically conceded the economy as an issue Trump was superior to him on because he was too stupid and inarticulate to explain how Trump inherited a good economy from Obama and only destabilized it with deregulation and tax cuts.

[Reck]

Yeah and ignore everything else. Right at this moment there's a total assault on the credibility of our election system by a vast majority of elected Republicans complicit and there's no rage from Sleepy Joe. He's just moping along.

Grow a fucking pair.

Right. A candidate who failed to get the nomination on back to back election cycles would have done better on a general election. Makes a lot of sense.

Results matter and this is what you got. Who is president elect?

[Will Hunting]

Republicans dont eat their own.

Democrats eat their own.

Happening in this very thread too.
And it’s because party leadership is both weak and has no interest in advancing the popular progressive policies like climate change reform and a $15 minimum wage. That’s why AOC goes on twitter and makes an ass of herself with impunity, Schumer/Pelosi/Perez are perfectly fine with being able to use her as a scapegoat for losing elections and she’s undisciplined enough to let them.

Dianne Feinstein made it pretty clear where establishment Dems stand on progressive issues. She was a condescending bitch towards climate change activists who wanted her to support climate change reform, but she couldn’t have been more accommodating and weak when Lindsey Graham want cram Handmaid Barrett through committee. She doesn’t have the excuse that Joe Manchin has, she’s in the most liberal state in the country but gives the finger to progressives more than she gives it to conservatives.

[ChumpDumper]

Great, then talk to party leadership about it. The reason Gohmert is muzzled and AOC isn’t is because the Democratic Party has atrocious leadership. It’s had a messaging issue for decades. AOC isn’t an my worse at messaging and then your centrist dream candidates like John Kerry and Shillary were.I don't think Gohmert is all that muzzled tbh.

Democrats aren't mobilized by anything Gohmert does or says. Republicans are definitely triggered by AOC. That's just how political celebrity works. She needs to realize she's not Gohmert. The only dream candidate has been Obama. All Democrats need to stop sucking.

[tholdren]

If Trump has to explicitly disavow white supremacy, AOC should have no problem explaining her stance on "defunding."

Lolllooooooooool

He's done it for years

[ChumpDumper]

Lolllooooooooool

He's done it for years:lmao f:lolldren desperately following posters around looking for human contact.

[Will Hunting]

I don't think Gohmert is all that muzzled tbh.

Democrats aren't mobilized by anything Gohmert does or says. Republicans are definitely triggered by AOC. That's just how political celebrity works. She needs to realize she's not Gohmert. The only dream candidate has been Obama. All Democrats need to stop sucking.
Imo Yang is the closest thing we have to a dream candidate in 2024.

I agree that Democrats in general need to stop sucking, which is why I find the laser focus on AOC stupid. How about starting with the people who actually control the party? AOC isn’t in any leadership positions, the hacks like Pelosi/Schumer/Perez are. Schumer threw away a senate seat in NC by bankrolling Cunningham over Erica Smith. Biden actually got more votes than Tillis did - there was a 3rd party candidate who siphoned a lot of Trump votes off Tillis. All the Democrats needed was a candidate who could get down ballot votes from Biden, instead Schumer went with a candidate who cared more about getting his dick wet than winning.

[ChumpDumper]

Imo Yang is the closest thing we have to a dream candidate in 2024.

I agree that Democrats in general need to stop sucking, which is why I find the laser focus on AOC stupid. How about starting with the people who actually control the party? AOC isn’t in any leadership positions, the hacks like Pelosi/Schumer/Perez are. Schumer threw away a senate seat in NC by bankrolling Cunningham over Erica Smith. Biden actually got more votes than Tillis did - there was a 3rd party candidate who siphoned a lot of Trump votes off Tillis. All the Democrats needed was a candidate who could get down ballot votes from Biden, instead Schumer went with a candidate who cared more about getting his dick wet than winning.There is no laser focus on AOC. Progressives just get defensive because she's the face of the franchise.

There were a shit ton of weak D candidates. AOC is actually one of them if she was in another district.

[Will Hunting]

There is no laser focus on AOC. Progressives just get defensive because she's the face of the franchise.

There were a shit ton of weak D candidates. AOC is actually one of them if she was in another district.
I make a post in this thread about Hakeem Jeffries being a corporate shill, and the immediate response is :cry at least he’s not AOC :cry

That sure as shit looks like a laser focus on AOC.

Is Katie Porter a bad candidate? She’s a progressive in an R+3 district.

[Will Hunting]

Republicans and conservative democrats will pick the next speaker.
:lmao if you actually think the speaker is going to be anyone other than Pelosi.

[Reck]

Imo Yang is the closest thing we have to a dream candidate in 2024.

I agree that Democrats in general need to stop sucking, which is why I find the laser focus on AOC stupid. How about starting with the people who actually control the party? AOC isn’t in any leadership positions, the hacks like Pelosi/Schumer/Perez are. Schumer threw away a senate seat in NC by bankrolling Cunningham over Erica Smith. Biden actually got more votes than Tillis did - there was a 3rd party candidate who siphoned a lot of Trump votes off Tillis. All the Democrats needed was a candidate who could get down ballot votes from Biden, instead Schumer went with a candidate who cared more about getting his dick wet than winning.

:lol hindsight 20/20

I'm sure this lady wheoever she is was going to be the difference maker here. lol

Democrats lost accross the board with good to decent candidates. Independents just decided to say fuck it I want some more republicans in the senate. Simple as that.

You cant tell me Gideon wasn't a good candidate. Or that Jaime wasn't.

[ChumpDumper]

I make a post in this thread about Hakeem Jeffries being a corporate shill, and the immediate response is :cry at least he’s not AOC :cry

That sure as shit looks like a laser focus on AOC.

Is Katie Porter a bad candidate? She’s a progressive in an R+3 district.No.

AOC is.

[Reck]

I make a post in this thread about Hakeem Jeffries being a corporate shill, and the immediate response is :cry at least he’s not AOC :cry

That sure as shit looks like a laser focus on AOC.

Is Katie Porter a bad candidate? She’s a progressive in an R+3 district.

You got that Bernie supporters sensitivity going on.

Your answer to replies here is to mock the other poster for being realistic.

[Chris]

:lmao if you actually think the speaker is going to be anyone other than Pelosi.

She doesn't have the votes.

This isn't complex.

[Reck]

She doesn't have the votes.

Kind of like Trump. Chrissy lowkey coming back to reality. :tu

[Chris]

Kind of like Trump. Chrissy lowkey coming back to reality. :tu

I'm talking about legal votes.

Solid *ding tho :tu

[ChumpDumper]

I'm talking about legal votes.

Solid *ding tho :tuWhich votes are illegal?

Be specific.

Rubedy tweets don't count.

[Will Hunting]

:lol hindsight 20/20

I'm sure this lady wheoever she is was going to be the difference maker here. lol

Democrats lost accross the board with good to decent candidates. Independents just decided to say fuck it I want some more republicans in the senate. Simple as that.

You cant tell me Gideon wasn't a good candidate. Or that Jaime wasn't.
Erica Smith would have energized the black vote so yes, in a state where Dems require significant black turnout to win, having a black candidate actually is a difference maker. I don’t even know what her political views are but she’s a state senator in a swing district so I doubt she’s very far left.

Gideon was a terrible candidate. She wasn’t a Maine native (which absolutely makes a difference in rural Maine) and she had no campaign message beyond “I’m not not Susan Collins.” She looks like she’d be a good fuck so that makes her better than McGrath, but beyond that there was nothing that made her a good candidate. Jared Golden would have been better, a Democrat whos actuallt capable of winnining in ME-02.

I think Harrison would have been a lot better if he made more media appearances and didn’t fall for the Schumer campaign strategy of running TV ads and hiding in a basement (I’m not making that up, someone in North Carolina said that he was approached by Schumer about a senate run and said Schumer literally told him that they’d send a lot of money his way to run negative ads about Tillis while he would make as little appearances as possible).

The fact people lash out at AOC for the very non controversial view that the Dems need to do better at media advertising is what’s stupid. The GOP is lightyears ahead of Dems on digital advertising.

[Will Hunting]

You got that Bernie supporters sensitivity going on.

Your answer to replies here is to mock the other poster for being realistic.
:lol realistic about what? I said Hakeem Jeffries is a House n!gger and you went ballistic. There are options for speaker of the house beyond Pelosi, AOC and Hakeem Jeffries.

[Will Hunting]

She doesn't have the votes.

This isn't complex.
There are more Dems in the house than Republicans and she has the vote of every Dem.

This isn’t complex.

[Reck]

:lol realistic about what? I said Hakeem Jeffries is a House n!gger and you went ballistic. There are options for speaker of the house beyond Pelosi, AOC and Hakeem Jeffries.

About politics in this climate.

Not sure what you mean about going ballistic. My first post in this thread was anyone but Pelosi. That means, anyone that's not attached to her or in her mold.

I feel the same about Schumer and you damn well know how I feel about Perez. You're arguing for the sake of arguing with me.

I think Stacey Abrams more than earned the chairmanship of the DNC.

[Will Hunting]

About politics in this climate.

Not sure what you mean about going ballistic. My first post in this thread was anyone but Pelosi. That means, anyone that's not attached to her or in her mold.

I feel the same about Schumer and you damn well know how I feel about Perez. You're arguing for the sake of arguing with me.

I think Stacey Abrams more than earned the chairmanship of the DNC.
Who replied to who first ITT, you or me? I’m not the one who instigated this argument.

Im also not sure how I’m being unrealistic. What specifically am I being unrealistic about? That the speaker should be someone other than Pelosi or her Stephen Hakeem Jeffries?

[Will Hunting]

:lol "Massa Pelosi gon' let me stay in da big house if i gibs her a good nomination speech!"

_XhmDzNPcCA

[Reck]

What specifically am I being unrealistic about?

The hard push to the left AOC is heading.

To be fair, she's the less offender of the group. Tlaib and Ilhan are far more agressive in pushing their agenda.

It feels like we always fight about something we fundamentally are in agreement on generally. Let's just leave that for another day. lol

[Will Hunting]

The hard push to the left AOC is heading.

To be fair, she's the less offender of the group. Tlaib and Ilhan are far more agressive in pushing their agenda.

It feels like we always fight about something we fundamentally are in agreement on generally. Let's just leave that for another day. lol
:lol dude all I was doing was shitting on Hakeem Jeffries. I had no idea why you responded to me about progressives because I def. wasn't endorsing AOC as speaker or anyone close to her.

Ideal speaker would be someone like Lloyd Doggett imo. Not a far left progressive but somewhere in between centrists and AOC who can unite both wings of the party.

If you think Tlaib and Ilhan are extreme, Cori Bush is going to put all of them to shame :lol

[BD24]

:lol "Massa Pelosi gon' let me stay in da big house if i gibs her a good nomination speech!"

_XhmDzNPcCA
:lol

hopefully progressives start to take over the party in the next 10-20 years. There will never be any real meaningful change with the Centrist like Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, and Durban running the party

[boutons_deux]

Yeah and ignore everything else. Right at this moment there's a total assault on the credibility of our election system by a vast majority of elected Republicans complicit and there's no rage from Sleepy Joe. He's just moping along.

Grow a fucking pair.

Joe has nothing to fear, or worry about. What can Joe do or say?

The law is on his side. The ignorant, lawless rabid cult mob are on Trash's side

[ducks]

There are more Dems in the house than Republicans and she has the vote of every Dem.

This isn’t complex.

She has to get 218
15 voted against her last time
10 are still there if they vote against her this time she will lose

[Will Hunting]

She has to get 218
15 voted against her last time
10 are still there if they vote against her this time she will lose
If the speaker of the house is a Democrat in 2021, you blow your brains out and live stream it.

If the speaker of the house is a Republican in 2021, I blow my brains out and live stream it.

Deal? Really trying to thin out the MAGAtard gene pool but you retards are never willing to stand by your dumb conspiracy theories.

[Chris]

She has to get 218
15 voted against her last time
10 are still there if they vote against her this time she will lose

tell em

[RandomGuy]

There's literally one congresswoman who's for defunding the police, and no I'm not saying Cori Bush should be speaker. All I was saying is that a complete establishment prostitute who actively works to defeat progressive policies shouldn't be speaker. I consider people like Sherrod Brown and Stacey Abrams "progressives" (Sherrod Brown calls himself a progressive for that matter), are you saying they'd be bad speakers?

Regarding "defund the police" - when did AOC ever say she wanted to defund the police? This is a narrative the establishment Dems are running with to try and discredit and hurt a progressive movement that's growing. Defund the police is a fringe idea that really doesn't have any support beyond BLM protesters. AOC is handling it horribly by running her mouth on twitter but the ultimate issue is messaging more than anything else, which the establishment Dems are just as bad at if not even worse at than progressives are. Dems have been awful on messaging as long as I've been old enough to follow politics, and that was long before the emergence of AOC + 3.

Austin City Council unanimously approves $150 million — one-third — cut to police budget
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/08/14/austin-city-council-approves-cut-police-budget-one-third/5582312002/


That money will be redirected to a wide variety of community programs and city departments, including Austin-Travis County EMS for COVID-19 response, mental health response, violence prevention, a family violence shelter and victim services.

Funds have also been shifted to parks and trails, abortion access, food access, substance abuse care and others.

Aside from the $21.5 million in immediate funding shifts, the council also moved about $128.8 million into two transitional funds, one to remove primarily civilian functions from the police department and another to divert dollars from police to alternative forms of public safety over the next year.

We will get to see what happens. My guess is that now that we can try something a bit more evidence based, we will get better outcomes. We foisted too much on the police, including dealing with the forever mental health crisis caused by Reagan when he defunded mental health programs.

[boutons_deux]

Texas Cops Engage In Millions Of Roadside Searches,

Find Nothing Illegal 80 Percent Of The Time

The Houston Chronicle has looked into local law enforcement activity (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/why-police-vehicle-searches-in-Texas-nothing-15631045.php) and found almost nothing that justifies pretextual stops or the extended amount of time that elapses between when the lights go on and citizens are free to go.

Law enforcement has a fondness for junk science (https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20191208/15461043525/another-law-enforcement-investigation-tool-found-to-be-junk-science-coin-toss.shtml). Training seminars and

Dunning-Kreuger have convinced cops they can do something almost no person can:

determine guilt just by talking to people.

So far, nothing has talked officers out of this self-delusion. Roadside stops are numerous.

Evidence of criminal activity is almost nonexistent.

citizens are getting zero bang for their taxpaying buck when officers focus on drivers rather than actual criminal activity.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201020/10094045543/texas-cops-engage-millions-roadside-searches-find-nothing-illegal-80-percent-time.shtml

Cops fishing in their cars or cruising around fishing for suspects, basically dragnetting innocent drivers?

10Ks of cops hours wasted, rather than serious police work.

And what about a single person is taken down by a cop, and 8 - 10 cop cars arrive "for backup", then the cops stand around doing fucking nothing for who knows long.

[CosmicCowboy]

There are more Dems in the house than Republicans and she has the vote of every Dem.

This isn’t complex.

:lmao

Pelosi is not as beloved by democrats as you think. I could see a blue dog edging her out with the support of Republicans.

[Will Hunting]

:lmao

Pelosi is not as beloved by democrats as you think. I could see a blue dog edging her out with the support of Republicans.
:lol whoever said she was beloved by Democrats? She keeps her role as speaker because she has power and Democrats are worried about crossing her.

Fortunately most of the blue dogs lost (and then blamed progressives for it). Which blue dogs are gonna revolt against Pelosi? Be specific.

[Reck]

:lol whoever said she was beloved by Democrats? She keeps her role as speaker because she has power and Democrats are worried about crossing her.

Fortunately most of the blue dogs lost (and then blamed progressives for it). Which blue dogs are gonna revolt against Pelosi? Be specific.

You're underestimating how pissed everyone is over there over losing seats they should have never lost. I put it at 60/40 she's gone.

The thing is, she's going to get replaced with an equally bad person. Karen Bass comes to mind.

[Will Hunting]

You're underestimating how pissed everyone is over there over losing seats they should have never lost. I put it at 60/40 she's gone.

The thing is, she's going to get replaced with an equally bad person. Karen Bass comes to mind.
If she gets replaced it won’t be by a Republican is my point. I’d view it as an upgrade if Cheri Bustos (the one who challenged Pelosi last time around) got it this time. Still think they’ll just offer anyone who challenges Pelosi a commitee chair spot and be done with it.

Btw not sure if you saw but good news, Tom Perez won’t seek re-election as DNC chair.

[CosmicCowboy]

If she gets replaced it won’t be by a Republican is my point. I’d view it as an upgrade if Cheri Bustos (the one who challenged Pelosi last time around) got it this time. Still think they’ll just offer anyone who challenges Pelosi a commitee chair spot and be done with it.

Btw not sure if you saw but good news, Tom Perez won’t seek re-election as DNC chair.

uhhh....you know the ENTIRE HOUSE votes for speaker, right? Republican votes will count too. If a conservative democrat they like runs against her they will probably support him/her. If they think voting for Pelosi will fuck the dems more they will vote for her.

[Will Hunting]

uhhh....you know the ENTIRE HOUSE votes for speaker, right? Republican votes will count too.
Right, and Pelosi wields enough power to give Democrats commitee spots they want in exchange for them not challenging her to ensure enough Dems fall in line and so the minority vote doesn’t matter.

Name the amount. I’ll bet the next speaker of the house is a Democrat, you bet the next speaker of the house is a Republican.

[Reck]

Btw not sure if you saw but good news, Tom Perez won’t seek re-election as DNC chair.

That is good news but he shouldn’t be let off the hook that easy. Clearly someone told him it was run your course or get dragged out. Perez shouldn’t have a hand in government at all.

What does he even do anyways? Guy seems like a figurehead whom no one seems to respect.

[CosmicCowboy]

Right, and Pelosi wields enough power to give Democrats commitee spots they want in exchange for them not challenging her to ensure enough Dems fall in line and so the minority vote doesn’t matter.

Name the amount. I’ll bet the next speaker of the house is a Democrat, you bet the next speaker of the house is a Republican.

dummy. The next speaker will definitely be a democrat. You really are obtuse.

[Will Hunting]

That is good news but he shouldn’t be let off the hook that easy. Clearly someone told him it was run your course or get dragged out. Perez shouldn’t have a hand in government at all.

What does he even do anyways? Guy seems like a figurehead whom no one seems to respect.
The better question is how he became head of the DNC in the first place. After the 2016 disaster, they appointed another figurehead whos plan was to continue to same failed strategy that the Democrats tried in 2014 and 2016. Iirc the only other contender in 2017 was Keith Ellison who would have been just as bad Perez. Not sure what the problem is but they need to make it so the role attracts better talent.

Jaime Harrison is supposedly a front runner which I have mixed feelings about. He’s a much more dynamic presence than the stiffs they’ve had before, but he raised all that money largely due to hatred towards Lindsey Graham and his campaign is a classic example of prioritizing fundraising over voter reachout.

Worth noting Perez won largely because of Obama’s endorsement. If Obama really wants to help save Democracy, he should stop using endorsements to sway elections for horrible candidates who he happens to know personally (Perez and Feinstein). One thing Obama doesn’t get more criticism for is how much the party’s infrastructure fell apart while he was in office.

[Will Hunting]

dummy. The next speaker will definitely be a democrat. You really are obtuse.
So what exactly are you saying? :lmao if you think any Republicans are going to vote for a Democrat as speaker.

[CosmicCowboy]

So what exactly are you saying? :lmao if you think any Republicans are going to vote for a Democrat as speaker.

i could see it happening instead of wasting their vote on a Republican. Lets say a DINO like Henry Cuellar got the blue dogs to back him. If the Republicans voted for him he could win and it would give a big "Fuck You" to Nancy and the left wing. AOC would lose her fucking mind.

[Will Hunting]

i could see it happening instead of wasting their vote on a Republican. Lets say a DINO like Henry Cuellar got the blue dogs to back him. If the Republicans voted for him he could win and it would give a big "Fuck You" to Nancy and the left wing. AOC would lose her fucking mind.
Cuellar barely fended off a primary opponent this year. If he did something like that he’d be signing his death certificate in 2022. Any Democrat who went along with it would face a similar problem. Not to mention how unrealistic it is that you could get so many people to put their egos aside and vote for the other party.

[CosmicCowboy]

Cuellar barely fended off a primary opponent this year. If he did something like that he’d be signing his death certificate in 2022. Any Democrat who went along with it would face a similar problem. Not to mention how unrealistic it is that you could get so many people to put their egos aside and vote for the other party.

You are probably right about Republicans crossing over, but Henry is safe as hell. He owns Laredo. He is the ultimate "bring home the bacon" politician. Imagine what he could do as speaker...he could bring home the whole damn hog. :lol

[Will Hunting]

You are probably right about Republicans crossing over, but Henry is safe as hell. He owns Laredo. He is the ultimate "bring home the bacon" politician. Imagine what he could do as speaker...he could bring home the whole damn hog. :lol
He won his primary 51-48 this year against a 26 year old justice democrat candidate with no money while he was backed by the DNC. Without DNC backing he loses his primary, and he wouldn’t have it if he crossed Pelosi.

[RandomGuy]

i could see it happening instead of wasting their vote on a Republican. Lets say a DINO like Henry Cuellar got the blue dogs to back him. If the Republicans voted for him he could win and it would give a big "Fuck You" to Nancy and the left wing. AOC would lose her fucking mind.

You really have it out for these two women. It's like there is a pattern here.

[boutons_deux]

You really have it out for these two women. It's like there is a pattern here.

:lol Euro-white male supremacist / racist TX shitbag in shithole TX. There are Ms of TX shitbags just like him

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol Euro-white male supremacist / racist TX shitbag in shithole TX. There are Ms of TX shitbags just like him

Friendless loser, mamas smoky single wide dwelling, bitter 24/7 internet trolling welfare queen. Fortunately there aren't many Boutons.

[CosmicCowboy]

Well, looks like y'all got your wish and Pelosi goes two more years.

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Republicans and conservative democrats will pick the next speaker.

:lmao

[Will Hunting]

Well, looks like y'all got your wish and Pelosi goes two more years.

:lol
Saying she’s going to win =/= saying I want her to win

[Reck]

Well, looks like y'all got your wish and Pelosi goes two more years.

:lol

You were the only one in this thread saying how she was going to lose the speakership because she wasn’t “beloved.”

This thread isn’t even that long, you can still see multiple posts on this very same page about your shitty predictions.

[Reck]

Will Hunting LOL AOC and the little squad acting like complete sheeps.

I was banking on them and the newly minted progressives who got elected to at least put up a fight like last time. They just got steamrolled and thanked Pelosi after.

[CosmicCowboy]

You were the only one in this thread saying how she was going to lose the speakership because she wasn’t “beloved.”

This thread isn’t even that long, you can still see multiple posts on this very same page about your shitty predictions.

I was first to come in and admit I was wrong. Fuck off, troll.

[RandomGuy]

Well, looks like y'all got your wish and Pelosi goes two more years.

:lol

Gives you another two years to have a woman to criticize for something you won't criticize men for. Rejoice

[CosmicCowboy]

Gives you another two years to have a woman to criticize for something you won't criticize men for. Rejoice

ahh...the old misogyny claim. How predictable. RG just can't help himself.

[RandomGuy]

ahh...the old misogyny claim. How predictable. RG just can't help himself.

I call it like I see it.

You tend to level your worst criticisms at women, and that is something mirrored in a lot of conservative rhetoric.

Tell me again what your opinion is of AOC's overall intelligence, and I can rest my case on that.

(edit)

I can also readily point out the general level of women in any elected office in the Republican party. You can fool yourselves about "i'm not that way" but when it comes down to brass tacks, the symptoms demonstrate the underlying disease to a level of evidence that I am content holding it as truth. Conservatives tend towards some level of misogyny. Want to prove me wrong? Vote for more women candidates.

[RandomGuy]

https://news.yahoo.com/republican-women-won-record-number-173900530.html

Republicans are all abuzz over their record levels of women getting elected in 2020.


24 in the House and eight in the Senate –

so... roughly 10%

That is a big deal for them.

I am pretty sure that is simply an outgrowth of that general undertone of mysogyny. It may not be always overt, but the preference of Republicans is pretty clear.

[spurraider21]

Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032) LOL AOC and the little squad acting like complete sheeps.

I was banking on them and the newly minted progressives who got elected to at least put up a fight like last time. They just got steamrolled and thanked Pelosi after.
:madrun AOC causes too much infighting :madrun

:madrun AOC is too easy-going :madrun

[CosmicCowboy]

I call it like I see it.

You tend to level your worst criticisms at women, and that is something mirrored in a lot of conservative rhetoric.

Tell me again what your opinion is of AOC's overall intelligence, and I can rest my case on that.

(edit)

I can also readily point out the general level of women in any elected office in the Republican party. You can fool yourselves about "i'm not that way" but when it comes down to brass tacks, the symptoms demonstrate the underlying disease to a level of evidence that I am content holding it as truth. Conservatives tend towards some level of misogyny. Want to prove me wrong? Vote for more women candidates.




I have never said AOC is stupid. She isn't brilliant but she isn't stupid. I do disagree strongly with her politics, and she IS capable of saying stupid shit when she goes off script. And I do vote for women. As an example, I voted for Ivy Taylor for mayor instead of Nirinberg and she is black and female.

[johnsmith]

Call me crazy, but having a California elitist who’s worth $120 million as the face of Democrats in Congress might be contributing to the messaging issue. I know it makes a lot more sense to blame a saying that’s <1 year old for a messaging problem Democrats have had for decades, but it could be that voters in middle America don’t see how Nancy Pelosi is someone they feel inclined to empower with down ballot Dem votes.

This!

[johnsmith]

I call it like I see it.

You tend to level your worst criticisms at women, and that is something mirrored in a lot of conservative rhetoric.

Tell me again what your opinion is of AOC's overall intelligence, and I can rest my case on that.

(edit)

I can also readily point out the general level of women in any elected office in the Republican party. You can fool yourselves about "i'm not that way" but when it comes down to brass tacks, the symptoms demonstrate the underlying disease to a level of evidence that I am content holding it as truth. Conservatives tend towards some level of misogyny. Want to prove me wrong? Vote for more women candidates.

“Vote for more women candidates and I won’t call ‘most’ conservatives misogynistic anymore”

We just voted in more Republican women then any other time in history. How much more do conservatives have to do to please you?

[johnsmith]

https://news.yahoo.com/republican-women-won-record-number-173900530.html

Republicans are all abuzz over their record levels of women getting elected in 2020.



so... roughly 10%

That is a big deal for them.

I am pretty sure that is simply an outgrowth of that general undertone of mysogyny. It may not be always overt, but the preference of Republicans is pretty clear.

Goalposts....moved.

[CosmicCowboy]

Be proud!!!

DgfumenJbXE

[RandomGuy]

“Vote for more women candidates and I won’t call ‘most’ conservatives misogynistic anymore”

We just voted in more Republican women then any other time in history. How much more do conservatives have to do to please you?

A bit more than 10% of their reps in congress, given that women are 51% of the population.

More.

[RandomGuy]

Goalposts....moved.

Goalposts haven't changed. I just don't see really doing more than a sarcastic slow clap at going from what? 5% to 10% of elected Republicans.

Get to something approaching 50% and then yeah. By that metric the Dems are still not even there, and could do better.

[Will Hunting]

Be proud!!!

DgfumenJbXE
Like I previously said, when Democrats wonder why Missouri has gone from a purple state to a solid red state in the last 20 years, a coastal oligarch with a bad face lift being the one speaking on behalf of the Democratic Party certainly didn’t help.

[RandomGuy]

I have never said AOC is stupid.

:rolleyes


This stupid cunt just gets more out of control every day. It's actually getting fun to watch.


...

:lmao dumb cunt.

probably could find more, but stopped there. You should know better. :lol

[johnsmith]

:rolleyes





probably could find more, but stopped there. You should know better. :lol

Lol!! That sucks for CC but that was pretty funny

[johnsmith]

Goalposts haven't changed. I just don't see really doing more than a sarcastic slow clap at going from what? 5% to 10% of elected Republicans.

Get to something approaching 50% and then yeah. By that metric the Dems are still not even there, and could do better.

But that’s the definition....just because it doesn’t meet your standards doesn’t mean it’s not progress. I don’t disagree with you either, I just know that it takes time to make progress.

I do however still disagree with you or anyone else that paints with a broad brush calling conservative misogynistic or racist or any other term. One size doesn’t fit all on either side of the aisle.

Except Boutons, his whole family are a bunch of retards.

[Trill Clinton]

:rolleyes





probably could find more, but stopped there. You should know better. :lol


Wow thats pretty harsh

[Reck]

Bold of CC to go on the record on not calling a woman a cunt or a bitch here when 99.9% of posters have at some point or another called a female member of congress that word before. :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol maybe I did :lol

heat of the moment. She must have had one of her stupid off script times.

Glad RG is so triggered he spent an hour researching my posts. Rent free :lol

[ChumpDumper]

:lol "heat of the moment"

Such emotional outbursts. Hysterical even.

[Reck]

Glad RG is so triggered he spent an hour researching my posts. Rent free :lol

You think it takes an hour to run a search here? :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

You think it takes an hour to run a search here? :lol

RG, that lives on here was gone for an hour and 20 minutes.

[RandomGuy]

:lol maybe I did :lol

heat of the moment. She must have had one of her stupid off script times.

Glad RG is so triggered he spent an hour researching my posts. Rent free :lol

Not triggered, just remember it quite clearly, and it took a minute to do the search.

When she got elected, the conservative elites had to have a narrative to put her in the box that was easy for people like you to grasp, in order to neutralize her political message and power.

They settled on the "AOC is dumb and young" narrative, helped along by the fact she is a female.

The right wing propaganda machine played into that unconscious bias of yours with endless distorted half-truths and saturated the media markets with it.

It stuck.

You bought it, without thinking. Because the narrative was something you are ready to believe, so you bought it, without really looking for yourself.

Despite the fact that she has a college degree in economics, and was smart enough to win an election against a deeply entrenched incumbent.

Conservatives, especially older ones, are products of their upbringing. "Women aren't as smart as men are, and should be housewives" This overall perception was changing in 1970, but still widespread. Women still couldn't get credit cards in their own names at that time.

Search your own thoughts. I am more right than you would likely admit, even to yourself.

[RandomGuy]

RG, that lives on here was gone for an hour and 20 minutes.

nah. typed it up and forgot to hit "post". went off and did other stuff, and came back. search took less than a minute.