Lakers set to acquire Dennis Schroder and send Danny Green to OKC in trade with Thunder, per report [Archive]

Sugus

11-15-2020, 04:53 PM

People here have been singing Morey’s praises for a decade, but he’s a GM version of DeRozan, empty calories.

Hmm, I don't really agree. He has flaws, but has also put Houston in an extremely good situation for contention, and has managed to keep the team afloat through numerous runs (and numerous chokes that were out of his hands). The Rockettes were a CP hammy and an incredibly unlucky shooting streak (you can argue the system is flawed but that's not entirely on Morey either, but MDA) from defeating the greatest team of all time, and their roster building and playstyle have definitely shaped the development of the league and meta. If I'm a Rockettes fan (:vomit:) I can't ask for much more than what Morey has done, and Houston fans' response to his leaving has been unanimously in accordance.

Morey isn't to blame that Harden is a flawed player instead of an all time great, in his building around him, tbh. And I also don't doubt that he'll manage to dig Philly out of the absolutely awful job they've dug themselves. Having said that, the Rockettes are fucked. :lmao

Dejounte

11-15-2020, 04:54 PM

People here have been singing Morey’s praises for a decade, but he’s a GM version of DeRozan, empty calories.

The Westbrook trade (the start of the Rockets' downfall) was the new owner's call. Morey has a good track record before Tillman came on. Everything that's fucked over the Rockets was mostly due to the new owner.

mo7888

11-15-2020, 04:57 PM

The Westbrook trade (the start of the Rockets' downfall) was the new owner's call. Morey has a good track record before Tillman came on. Everything that's fucked over the Rockets was mostly due to the new owner.

I agree with yours and Sugus's take on Morey....

Rockets are in for some awful years coming up.... but my goodness is OKC gonna clean up with what will be high Hou picks coming there way in a year or two. They are positioned to draft talent or trade for it.... it's incredible...

lmbebo

11-15-2020, 05:15 PM

Good Lord

rebuilding done right

TD 21

11-15-2020, 05:18 PM

At least the Rockets were in or close to contention recently and will at least retain a path to it so long as Harden remains and is in his prime. They can also reroute him for a commensurate return if he forces his way out, a la Davis/George.

The Spurs basically got one playoff run out of prime Scumbag, then made arguably the most embarrassing trade in history and now have zero blue chip prospects (too early for Johnson) nor a pick high enough that they're likely to attain one.

gambit1990

11-15-2020, 06:39 PM

Where will danny end up?
going on to win three championships in a row by signing with the heat after he gets bought out :lol

Larry O

11-15-2020, 06:40 PM

Well, it appears that Pop's and Spurs' fans favorite Whipping Boy's homecoming, has been spoiled. That trash of a rumored trade proposal of DDR10 for Kuz and DGREEN14 all but appears to be just that... a thought or a dream fantasy for Lakers fans whose bubble just got busted. To have Danny back would be okay, but not in a trash trade like that. �� If the Lakers did make that proposal to PATFO, they would have to be �� crazy to accept that trade. But it looks like the rich (Lakers) are trying to get richer for 2021 and an attempt for a repeat, which would give LBJ, 5 rings. ��

Chinook

11-15-2020, 07:29 PM

In case people are wondering, Dennis' salary just made it cheaper for LAL to take. I doubt they wanted him over DeRozan, but it was to the point that Kuzma/McGee, KCP or Bradley had to go out to make the math work, and that wasn't a price the Lakers were willing to pay (and with the player options attached to the deal, they might not've been able to do it anyway). It's a nice deal because Green probably has positive value (maybe more than Schoeder to be honest), but there was little PATFO could've done to outmaneuver Presti here.

R. DeMurre

11-15-2020, 10:05 PM

Hate to admit it, but nice move by the Lakers. Helps them out, lets them keep Kuzma (to play or trade), and takes a decent PG option off of the table for the Clippers. They have enough offense now to justify going after a cheap versatile defender like Rondae Hollis-Jefferson or a reclamation project like Harry Giles... They're in good shape.

tbdog

11-15-2020, 10:12 PM

Schroder cost a first round pick and a starting SG. Gee, a bit of an overpay. But That's what Lebron teams do.

The Truth #6

11-15-2020, 10:50 PM

Schroder cost a first round pick and a starting SG. Gee, a bit of an overpay. But That's what Lebron teams do.

Yep. And Presti is a ruthless genius at manipulating and maximizing those situations with teams desperate to please their star.

Personally, I’m not sure I would even trade a 1st rounder by itself for Schroeder.

BWS-1994

11-15-2020, 11:07 PM

If they really are after Wes Matthews next, how much left can they offer?

johnnymoore

11-15-2020, 11:11 PM

Yep. And Presti is a ruthless genius at manipulating and maximizing those situations with teams desperate to please their star.

Personally, I’m not sure I would even trade a 1st rounder by itself for Schroeder.

19/4/4 and solid defender?

https://twitter.com/statmuse/status/1328023297670275072

Last season, Dennis Schroder became the first player to average

18+ PPG
4+ APG
45+ FG%
35+ 3P%

off the bench in the 3-point era.

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tbdog

11-15-2020, 11:23 PM

19/4/4 and solid defender?

https://twitter.com/statmuse/status/1328023297670275072

Last season, Dennis Schroder became the first player to average 18+ PPG4+ APG45+ FG%35+ 3P% off the bench in the 3-point era.

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He isn't that good as his stats indicate. He isn't a solid defender. He isn't a PG either. He is an undersized SG. Playing with Lebron would help hide his game.

BillMc

11-15-2020, 11:28 PM

So this means DD to the LAL is probably dead? (As a trade at least. He could opt out and just sign with them).

johnnymoore

11-15-2020, 11:30 PM

He isn't that good as his stats indicate. He isn't a solid defender. He isn't a PG either. He is an undersized SG. Playing with Lebron would help hide his game.

Similar offensive stats to 2017/18, when he was 19/3/6 and as for his defense:

https://www.welcometoloudcity.com/2020/5/31/21271703/film-analysis-dennis-schroder

The eye test indicates that Schroder has been an elite defender this season, but the numbers back up this assertion. Schroder has posted a defensive rating of 103; this is the best rating out of all guards who have played at least 45 games and 28 minutes per night.
Schroder’s defensive work has put him into the upper echelon of defenders at the guard spots. It is not a stretch to say that Dennis Schroder (https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/324303/dennis-schroder) has been as good as Kyle Lowry (https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/152220/kyle-lowry) or Marcus Smart (https://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/296958/marcus-smart) this season in terms of stopping opposing players. The improvement on the less glamorous end of the floor has meant that Schroder is fourth in Defensive Win Shares among all guards in the NBA.

cool cat

11-15-2020, 11:31 PM

So this means DD to the LAL is probably dead? (As a trade at least. He could opt out and just sign with them).

Only have the MLE I believe, highly doubt he would take that steep a paycut.

DPG21920

11-15-2020, 11:35 PM

So this means DD to the LAL is probably dead? (As a trade at least. He could opt out and just sign with them).

Yup. DDR to Lakers looks like it’s over. Supposedly they wanted White included and SA said no.

BillMc

11-15-2020, 11:36 PM

Yup. DDR to Lakers looks like it’s over. Supposedly they wanted White included and SA said no.

As they should. Thanks for the update bro!

spurs10

11-15-2020, 11:49 PM

So this means DD to the LAL is probably dead? (As a trade at least. He could opt out and just sign with them). I don't think he can because LAL can only sign him with a trade. They don't have the money otherwise. One of the brainiacs about caps and all can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's the deal.

spurs10

11-15-2020, 11:50 PM

Yup. DDR to Lakers looks like it’s over. Supposedly they wanted White included and SA said no. Good on us!

spurs10

11-15-2020, 11:51 PM

Yup. DDR to Lakers looks like it’s over. Supposedly they wanted White included and SA said no. Did they ask to have the Alamo shipped out there as well?

tbdog

11-16-2020, 12:29 AM

Similar offensive stats to 2017/18, when he was 19/3/6 and as for his defense:

https://www.welcometoloudcity.com/2020/5/31/21271703/film-analysis-dennis-schroder

See my eye test says otherwise. That summary indicates he is an all-star.

BillMc

11-16-2020, 01:38 AM

I don't think he can because LAL can only sign him with a trade. They don't have the money otherwise. One of the brainiacs about caps and all can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's the deal.

Yeah, I think it was unlikely. But he could take a massive pay cut to ring chase.

spurs10

11-16-2020, 01:52 AM

Yeah, I think it was unlikely. But he could take a massive pay cut to ring chase. Yup! Hope you're well over there in Latvia!

BillMc

11-16-2020, 01:58 AM

Yup! Hope you're well over there in Latvia!

Thanks bro. I'm in Ukraine now, but all is good.

Ice009

11-16-2020, 03:16 AM

Thanks bro. I'm in Ukraine now, but all is good.

What is it like over there? I haven't come on here to Spurstalk much the past few years (ever since the Kawhi debacle, I've haven't spent much time here, but that is also due to being too busy with other regular life things too), but I remember you being in Latvia or somewhere like that? Do you live in the Ukraine full-time now? I've always been interested in going there. Do you still go back and forth between the US?

BillMc

11-16-2020, 03:48 AM

What is it like over there? I haven't come on here to Spurstalk much the past few years (ever since the Kawhi debacle, I've haven't spent much time here, but that is also due to being too busy with other regular life things too), but I remember you being in Latvia or somewhere like that? Do you live in the Ukraine full-time now? I've always been interested in going there. Do you still go back and forth between the US?

Hi. Yes, I lived in Riga, Latvia twice totaling nearly 4 years but have been in Ukraine since 2016. Before the pandemic, I did go back and forth a lot, but now not so much. As for what it is like here? Well, the Ukrainian economy is in real trouble because of the shut down from the pandemic and the ongoing disruption of the Russian occupation of the Crimea and Donbas. But, you know, people are tough and they get on with the business of living. In the spot where I am (Kharkov), the pandemic has begun to hit really hard for the last month though. Lots of things shut down. Forces me to stay inside and read up on things like basketball.

Ocotillo

11-16-2020, 08:31 AM

People here have been singing Morey’s praises for a decade, but he’s a GM version of DeRozan, empty calories.
And the new GM in Houston is stuck with an empty cupboard for most of the decade....

Sugus

11-16-2020, 08:55 AM

And the new GM in Houston is stuck with an empty cupboard for most of the decade....

That's on Fertitta brute-forcing Morey to pull the trigger on Westbrook, which was pretty clearly a bad trade at the time, and certainly not the kind of trade Morey would make - WB is about as anti-Morey a player as you can find in the league. And also, first and foremost, Harden having issues with CP3 in the lockerroom. They were stupid not to run it back after being so close to a title, Paul was a perfect compliment to Harden's game. Again, you can argue the Rockettes playstyle had something to do with it, but it's not a thing on Morey's control at the end of the day.

But yeah, I wouldn't want to be Houston's new GM. Especially with that asshole, know-it-all owner as your boss...

look_at_g_shred

11-16-2020, 09:32 AM

If DDR was just going to opt in he would have done it by now right? Is the hold up looking for a S&T partner?

DPG21920

11-16-2020, 09:50 AM

If DDR was just going to opt in he would have done it by now right? Is the hold up looking for a S&T partner?

That is the prevailing sentiment

Seventyniner

11-16-2020, 10:57 AM

And the new GM in Houston is stuck with an empty cupboard for most of the decade....

I'm starting to wonder if there will be a push to put a new Stepien-like rule in a near-future CBA that doesn't allow a team to mortgage its draft future for several years like LAL/LAC/HOU have done. I think the reckoning will be harsh towards the end of this decade.

The idea would be to save owners and GMs from themselves, much like the shortening of contracts. Maybe it would be as simple as updating the Stepien Rule to 2 out of 3 (you can't make any trades that leave you with less than 2 first-round picks in the next 3 drafts) and not allowing a team to trade any draft picks more than X years in the future, perhaps 5 or so.

RC_Drunkford

11-16-2020, 11:37 AM

I'm starting to wonder if there will be a push to put a new Stepien-like rule in a near-future CBA that doesn't allow a team to mortgage its draft future for several years like LAL/LAC/HOU have done. I think the reckoning will be harsh towards the end of this decade.

The idea would be to save owners and GMs from themselves, much like the shortening of contracts. Maybe it would be as simple as updating the Stepien Rule to 2 out of 3 (you can't make any trades that leave you with less than 2 first-round picks in the next 3 drafts) and not allowing a team to trade any draft picks more than X years in the future, perhaps 5 or so.

Bruh by the end of this decade the NBA won't even exist anymore :lol Nothing to worry about

Floyd Pacquiao

11-16-2020, 12:23 PM

So what’s derozan value? Washed Danny green? What’s the best the spurs can get for him?

Ed Helicopter Jones

11-16-2020, 01:58 PM

People here have been singing Morey’s praises for a decade, but he’s a GM version of DeRozan, empty calories.

I don't know who'd really want to take over his scorched earth down there in Houston. Spending wildly should keep them relevant I suppose. Deep pockets can hide a lot of horrible decision making.