Rumor of 3 way deal between Spurs, Warriors, & Hawks

[R. DeMurre]

https://airalamo.com/2020/11/14/san-antonio-spurs-rumors-hawks-warriors/

This deal ties up a few rumors into one package:

Golden State gets: LaMarcus Aldridge, #6

Atlanta gets: DeMar DeRozan, #11

San Antonio gets: Andrew Wiggins, #2, Cam Reddish or De'Andre Hunter

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I'm a little skeptical of the trade from Atlanta's perspective. Adding DeRozan to Trae Young doesn't make a lot of sense defensively, and Atlanta moves back 5 spots in the draft. Makes more sense for the Spurs and Warriors. Would love the potential of a White/KJ/Hunter trio. Taking on the Wiggins contract is easier if the Spurs are getting two young prospects.

[Dejounte]

Not to be a butt, Backhome already made a thread about this

[Dex]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=287955

[SpursDynasty85]

Atlanta trades down for Derozan but gives up Hunter? Not likely. Haven’t seen much of Cam Reddish but Spurs would love that I’m sure.

[R. DeMurre]

Not to be a butt, Backhome already made a thread about this

Oh, shit-- I missed that. Oops.

[exstatic]

Not to be a butt, Backhome already made a thread about this

That’s probably where they got it. ST has been copied by the best of them. Lookin’ at you, Don Harris.

[Dverde]

I don’t think anyone is trading for DDR. Lakers and Hornets probably the best bet. Lakers got Schroder and Hornets are after Westbrook.

[RC_Drunkford]

Old news. This can't be legit, simply because the salaries of Reddish and DeRozan don't match at all. Besides that the Hawks can just outright sign DeRozan without having to give up anything

[mo7888]

Old news. This can't be legit, simply because the salaries of Reddish and DeRozan don't match at all. Besides that the Hawks can just outright sign DeRozan without having to give up anything

To sign him outright they'd have to commit to 3 or 4 years... This way they are only on the hook for 1 year and can choose to commit or walk next summer.

[Degoat]

I still think Orlando or maybe Miami is the best bet to trade Demar

[R. DeMurre]

Old news. This can't be legit, simply because the salaries of Reddish and DeRozan don't match at all. Besides that the Hawks can just outright sign DeRozan without having to give up anything

Atlanta's far under the salary cap, with only $60mil on the books. They're one of the few teams that can actually do this.


Explanation here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryantoporek/2020/11/10/nbas-flattened-salary-cap-has-atlanta-hawks-poised-to-soar/?sh=131a3db1146d

[mo7888]

I still think Orlando or maybe Miami is the best bet to trade Demar

I think Orlando makes alot of sense..

[RC_Drunkford]

Atlanta's far under the salary cap, with only $60mil on the books. They're one of the few teams that can actually do this.


Explanation here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryantoporek/2020/11/10/nbas-flattened-salary-cap-has-atlanta-hawks-poised-to-soar/?sh=131a3db1146d

Oh okay, I wasn't fully aware if this was possible if a player is going out as well. If that's the case, Spurs better make that move- #6 + Reddish for DeRozan and #11 is cool with me

[mo7888]

Oh okay, I wasn't fully aware if this was possible if a player is going out as well. If that's the case, Spurs better make that move- #6 + Reddish for DeRozan and #11 is cool with me

I'd do that deal regardless of the GS/LMA trade.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I keep trying to tell you guys, the Spurs still have cap problems.

First of all, any deal involving DeRozan would have to be a sign-and-trade, because he's on a player option. If he's really disgruntled, he's got no reason to want to do the Spurs a favor - so the only reason he agrees to a S&T is that the Spurs can give him more money. What you're all overlooking is that he's not going to agree to a S&T deal unless it pays him MORE money. You guys keep counting him in the salary match at the $28MM +/- that he could get by opting in.

DeRozan has over 10 years of service, so the max the Spurs could offer him (if I remember right) is close to $40MM. I don't think anyone is going to want to pay him a max salary in a S&T deal, but I would think that he would be looking at something north of $30MM per, and probably closer to the $34MM that a 7-9 year vet could get. And that's allowing for the fact that the cap is fucked for next year.

When you're plugging numbers into your trade machines, you should at least put DeRozan in at $30MM. Because he's not going to do the Spurs a favor and do a S&T for them, for the same amount he could get by just signing elsewhere. I know, I know... someone is going to say that he would do it just to get the extra year. But 5 years at his current salary is $140MM, and I think he could walk away and be able to get a $150MM deal. Those are round numbers - don't split hairs with me. The point is, he isn't going to automatically do some S&T deal, just because the Spurs want him to. Factor the extra money into your plans.

[mo7888]

I keep trying to tell you guys, the Spurs still have cap problems.

First of all, any deal involving DeRozan would have to be a sign-and-trade, because he's on a player option. If he's really disgruntled, he's got no reason to want to do the Spurs a favor - so the only reason he agrees to a S&T is that the Spurs can give him more money. What you're all overlooking is that he's not going to agree to a S&T deal unless it pays him MORE money. You guys keep counting him in the salary match at the $28MM +/- that he could get by opting in.

DeRozan has over 10 years of service, so the max the Spurs could offer him (if I remember right) is close to $40MM. I don't think anyone is going to want to pay him a max salary in a S&T deal, but I would think that he would be looking at something north of $30MM per, and probably closer to the $34MM that a 7-9 year vet could get. And that's allowing for the fact that the cap is fucked for next year.

When you're plugging numbers into your trade machines, you should at least put DeRozan in at $30MM. Because he's not going to do the Spurs a favor and do a S&T for them, for the same amount he could get by just signing elsewhere. I know, I know... someone is going to say that he would do it just to get the extra year. But 5 years at his current salary is $140MM, and I think he could walk away and be able to get a $150MM deal. Those are round numbers - don't split hairs with me. The point is, he isn't going to automatically do some S&T deal, just because the Spurs want him to. Factor the extra money into your plans.

DDR opted in...so we don't need a S&T partner i don't believe

[DPG21920]

DDR opted in...so we don't need a S&T partner i don't believe

Correct. They could extend and trade him but he has no control any longer (I mean he has leverage but not control);

[ZeusWillJudge]

DDR opted in...so we don't need a S&T partner i don't believe


Hmmm. Happened in the last hour. Looking at the articles, and him saying he's "flattered" that the Lakers want him, he's probably gone then. That's good. I wasn't happy about the prospects of the Spurs screwing themselves in an S&T deal.

Just for the record, there have only been something like 5 S&T's completed in the last 5 years. And in every one of those, the original team didn't get shit out of it. The way the Spurs trades have gone in recent years, I could have seen them really getting kicked around trying to get some value out of him. This way is a LOT better.


Edit: Holy shit! There must be five threads on it now. That'll teach me not to monitor constantly. :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

Correct. They could extend and trade him but he has no control any longer (I mean he has leverage but not control);



Would they have to extend to trade him? There are so many arcane rules in the CBA now, I just don't keep up with all of them. I don't want his dumb ass around if he doesn't want to be here. At least he would be working to get his next deal, so he probably wouldn't just float for the whole season. Sill, I would rather see them building on something than riding out the clock on him.

[DPG21920]

Would they have to extend to trade him? There are so many arcane rules in the CBA now, I just don't keep up with all of them. I don't want his dumb ass around if he doesn't want to be here. At least he would be working to get his next deal, so he probably wouldn't just float for the whole season. Sill, I would rather see them building on something than riding out the clock on him.

Not at all. If the other team wanted assurances then it could happen (vs trading for a player that could walk for nothing next season) it’s possible. But it’s not necessary at all. Outside of leverage, SA now controls fully whether or not DDR is traded and to where.

[Kurik]

Would they have to extend to trade him? There are so many arcane rules in the CBA now, I just don't keep up with all of them. I don't want his dumb ass around if he doesn't want to be here. At least he would be working to get his next deal, so he probably wouldn't just float for the whole season. Sill, I would rather see them building on something than riding out the clock on him.

He doesn't have to be extended but knowing the Spurs they will probably only trade him to a place he's actually OK with.

[TD 21]

I've thought about this, but the Hawks aren't including Hunter/Reddish. Maybe the Spurs can squeeze either them or the Warriors for a future 2nd (Warriors own Timberwolves '21), but that's about it.

The apologists/casuals will claim that the aggregate of Aldridge, DeRozan, 11 for Wiggins, 2, is an overpay, but what's the alternative?

It's a shot at a blue chip prospect, an albatross who sucks but could also make sense short term, positioning for a top 5ish pick next year (much better projected high end talent) and potentially accelerating a re-build.

[Mugen]

I've thought about this, but the Hawks aren't including Hunter/Reddish. Maybe the Spurs can squeeze either them or the Warriors for a future 2nd (Warriors own Timberwolves '21), but that's about it.

The apologists/casuals will claim that the aggregate of Aldridge, DeRozan, 11 for Wiggins, 2, is an overpay, but what's the alternative?

It's a shot at a blue chip prospect, an albatross who sucks but could also make sense short term, positioning for a top 5ish pick next year (much better projected high end talent) and potentially accelerating a re-build.

Are they getting #6 back in this scenario? Because I'd do that in a heartbeat and just try to find the best offer for Wiggins over the course of the next year.

[TD 21]

Are they getting #6 back in this scenario? Because I'd do that in a heartbeat and just try to find the best offer for Wiggins over the course of the next year.

Nah, the Warriors would get it.

As bad as he is, I'm not even sure the Spurs would be opposed to Wiggins. More or less cultural fit, positional need, still youngish, the exact type (pedigreed, freak athlete 20 ppg scorer) that's easy to sell to casuals and could serve as the go-to scorer in the interim. Also, they'd save significant money.

[DMC]

Can't wait to see the nicknames Wiggins gets.

[Frenchfred]

Golden State is getting a good deal. Getting rid of a huge contract, getting a good big and only dropping from 2 to 6 only in the draft.
why would Atlante do it though?

[TD 21]

Golden State is getting a good deal. Getting rid of a huge contract, getting a good big and only dropping from 2 to 6 only in the draft.
why would Atlante do it though?

Ownership and Young are supposedly pushing Schlenk to take a step forward towards legit playoff contention. Plus they have significant cap space, but will struggle to fill it with a better "win now" player. At least one that won't cost them one of Huerter/Hunter/Reddish/future 1sts and would probably extend.

[SequSpur]

You guys are dumb, Spurs ain’t doing shit

[scott]

Forgot I had an account here. Go Spurs. Do something. :)

[TheCerebral1]

Whatever gets DeRozan out of San Antonio, is fine by me.

[Dhbsr555]

Spurs fo as crap is it might be arnt doing anything .. they will be happy starting Forbes again

[slick'81]

Ship patty mills the fck outta here !

[JADG79]

Offseason rumors and Spurs rumors are like the father of fake news, then is CNN.

Here people try to keep hope alive, including me lol.

[illusioNtEk]

Cnn is actually not fake news though

[illusioNtEk]

It's 2020, perfect time to blow it up tbh

[Sugus]

Forgot I had an account here. Go Spurs. Do something. :)

Legend sighting! Spurs gotta do something now, for sure. What're you up to, Scott? Still in the brewing business?

[GAustex]

CNN blows

[scott]

Legend sighting! Spurs gotta do something now, for sure. What're you up to, Scott? Still in the brewing business?

Hi! Yes I am, though in Massachusetts now. Got to see the Spurs blow out the Celtics in the Garden last season!

[Sugus]

Hi! Yes I am, though in Massachusetts now. Got to see the Spurs blow out the Celtics in the Garden last season!

That's awesome, man, I'm glad to hear. Even though I'm not a native San Antonian, it's great to see people who contribute to the community - and especially the beer crafting business. God knows we need more good beer in this world. Keep up the good work.