2020 NBA Free Agency Thread: Expected Timeline for Spurs Moves

[GAustex]

Patty and Gay are the only below average defenders?

[Kurik]

Patty and Gay are the only below average defenders?

DDR

[timvp]

(Talk from Forbes camp is possible $8 million over two years from the Suns on the table. Could be true, could be posturing. We'll find out, I guess. Not sure if they can even offer him that after they re-signed Carter. )

[pad300]

(Talk from Forbes camp is possible $8 million over two years from the Suns on the table. Could be true, could be posturing. We'll find out, I guess. Not sure if they can even offer him that after they re-signed Carter. )

So long as it's not us, I wish him all the best. But he can't come back...

[timvp]

So long as it's not us, I wish him all the best. But he can't come back...

:tu

[R. DeMurre]

Ibaka signed with the Clippers...

[playblair]

forbes on the suns will come back to destroy the spurs he is the perfect fit for their system...........forbes will wash derrick white or patty mills when they guard him

[Larry O]

Well, according to News 4 SA's, Jeff Garcia, he said tonight that Trey Lyles was resigned. In a since one could see that coming, especially after they used him along with White, Murray, Walker and Johnson in that Fiesta Jersey promo. I would also assume that they may also work on White's extension at some point as well. GSG!

[bluebellmaniac]

Anyone have an updated roster w salaries? Just curious where that puts us.

[rankingtear]

(Talk from Forbes camp is possible $8 million over two years from the Suns on the table. Could be true, could be posturing. We'll find out, I guess. Not sure if they can even offer him that after they re-signed Carter. )

BAE left and they have no SG besides Booker.

[XDT76]

(Talk from Forbes camp is possible $8 million over two years from the Suns on the table. Could be true, could be posturing. We'll find out, I guess. Not sure if they can even offer him that after they re-signed Carter. )


If that is the case what is he waiting for, I don't see any team offering more.

[RC_Drunkford]

Sign and trade him for Dario Šarić

[BillMc]

(Talk from Forbes camp is possible $8 million over two years from the Suns on the table. Could be true, could be posturing. We'll find out, I guess. Not sure if they can even offer him that after they re-signed Carter. )

Somehow I misread "Suns" as "Spurs" on my first reading. Nearly had a heart attack.

Yeah, I know I'm illiterate. :reading

[EasyMoney]

Nets lost ibaka to the Clippers. I wonder if they're looking for a big to play the 4 alongside DeAndre. Gotta wonder if lamarcus is being looked at.

[spurspl]

after this awful haywards signing by hornets, spurs should offer them ddr or lma.

[SpursFanInAustin]

forbes on the suns will come back to destroy the spurs he is the perfect fit for their system...........forbes will wash derrick white or patty mills when they guard him

Yeah right ��

[K...]

You know one thing i that really is sitting here is do the spurs know who they want to succeed Pop next year.

If the spurs wanted to give a coach maximum power they'd go for cap space and let the coach pick his players. But the spurs could also pick a weak coach who lets wright and RC call the shots.

It's really odd to have a coach have be subordinate to a cabal of retired officials. The holts don't have a strong mandate to change anything, so it's up to Wright to decide how much power he wants or whether RC and POP are going to be puppet masters for the next decade.

[Dex]

(Talk from Forbes camp is possible $8 million over two years from the Suns on the table. Could be true, could be posturing. We'll find out, I guess. Not sure if they can even offer him that after they re-signed Carter. )

If he is fielding interest by other teams, that's good news.

I don't care if the Spurs paid him minimum wage, I don't want him wasting a roster spot and definitely don't want him soaking up minutes.

Seems like a nice guy but...be gone, vile man, be gone from me! I am untethered and my rage knows no bounds!

[B1gduff]

The SPurs aren't going to make a trade until mid season and that's only if they're out of it.

[mo7888]

If Boston gets a TE back for $30M from Charlotte then they could absorb LMA. That wouldn't be a bad outcome for each team.

[BacktoBasics]

The SPurs aren't going to make a trade until mid season and that's only if they're out of it.

This is spot on. I gather they think missing the playoffs was a borderline anomaly.

They didn't close on an outrageously lopsided deal on draft day for DDR or Marsha so now they’ll turn to the trade deadline as a sub .500 team only to realize that yet again no one is going to back up the brinks truck with 4 first rounders and a prospect for either of those guys.

Then they’ll try and strike an even more absurd sign and trade in the off-season, fail again and both players will walk for nothing.

[talkspurs]

If Boston gets a TE back for $30M from Charlotte then they could absorb LMA. That wouldn't be a bad outcome for each team.

They also will probably be looking for a Center. I would trade him to them from the TE and a pick or 2.

[Drom John]

FiveThirtyEight Overall Raptor Defense (a rate stat)

Below average NBA defenders on Spurs 2019-2020

-0.1 Dejounte Murray
-1.2 Lonnie Walker IV
-1.6 Drew Eubanks
-1.6 Trey Lyles
-2.6 Chimezie Metu
-2.7 DeMar DeRozan
-3.4 Marco Belinelli
-3.4 Bryn Forbes
-5.5 Quinndary Weatherspoon

This also passes the eyes test.

[cd021]

If Boston gets a TE back for $30M from Charlotte then they could absorb LMA. That wouldn't be a bad outcome for each team.
How would Boston get a $30 million dollar trade exception?

[GAustex]

FiveThirtyEight Overall Raptor Defense (a rate stat)

Below average NBA defenders on Spurs 2019-2020

-0.1 Dejounte Murray
-1.2 Lonnie Walker IV
-1.6 Drew Eubanks
-1.6 Trey Lyles
-2.6 Chimezie Metu
-2.7 DeMar DeRozan
-3.4 Marco Belinelli
-3.4 Bryn Forbes
-5.5 Quinndary Weatherspoon

This also passes the eyes test.
No Patty
Interesting

[Leetonidas]

FiveThirtyEight Overall Raptor Defense (a rate stat)

Below average NBA defenders on Spurs 2019-2020

-0.1 Dejounte Murray
-1.2 Lonnie Walker IV
-1.6 Drew Eubanks
-1.6 Trey Lyles
-2.6 Chimezie Metu
-2.7 DeMar DeRozan
-3.4 Marco Belinelli
-3.4 Bryn Forbes
-5.5 Quinndary Weatherspoon

This also passes the eyes test.

I'm giving Tre and DJM a little bit of a pass there for having to start next to DD and Forbes all year :lol

[mo7888]

How would Boston get a $30 million dollar trade exception?

They are exploring doing a S&T for Hayward to Charlotte that would create a $30M TE for them. They'd have to give Charlotte a small asset to get the deal done.

[cd021]

They are exploring doing a S&T for Hayward to Charlotte that would create a $30M TE for them. They'd have to give Charlotte a small asset to get the deal done.

I thought the rumor was Rozier for Hayward and an asset. That's about about $20 million in difference.

[mo7888]

I thought the rumor was Rozier for Hayward and an asset. That's about about $20 million in difference.

It was the rumor but it doesn't appear Boston will actually take Rozier...he may be re-routed to a 3rd team.

[Joseph Kony]

Torrey Craig to MIL. Spurs really aint doing a god damn thing this offseason :lol


I figured they'd try to bring in some kind of FA but jesus man, they really are content to run it back with basically the same fucking roster :lmao

[Rip Chord]

Sure they did. They let Forbes go to Bucks. ����

[duncan2150]

Torrey Craig to MIL. Spurs really aint doing a god damn thing this offseason :lol


I figured they'd try to bring in some kind of FA but jesus man, they really are content to run it back with basically the same fucking roster :lmao

I prefer to have the same roster than bringing Craig

[Joseph Kony]

I prefer to have the same roster than bringing Craig

Spurs desperately need 3&D players, and so far Spurs drafted a rookie who could not pan out for years and signed some unknown two-way player and thats it. I'd prefer to have at least one proven 3&D guy on the roster

[TD 21]

Craig is a poor shooter and he'd only be a veteran that would tempt the genius to block or limit the youth.

[timtonymanu]

Torrey Craig to MIL. Spurs really aint doing a god damn thing this offseason :lol


I figured they'd try to bring in some kind of FA but jesus man, they really are content to run it back with basically the same fucking roster :lmao

They’ve been getting burned by players on the level of Morris and Carroll these days. I can imagine they don’t want to keep going through situations and headaches like that and prefer to develop from within, even though they can do better.

[Shakril]

Spurs desperately need 3&D players, and so far Spurs drafted a rookie who could not pan out for years and signed some unknown two-way player and thats it. I'd prefer to have at least one proven 3&D guy on the roster

Well we already upgraded on defense by not resigning Forbes and Belinelli. That alone is +5 Wins compared to last year.

[Degoat]

Looks like Marc Gasol is gonna go to the lakers, GD lol

[K...]

Looks like Marc Gasol is gonna go to the lakers, GD lol

i wonder what his brother thinks about that

[Dejounte]

i wonder what his brother thinks about that

Pau is probably the one who pushed fot it. He bleeds purple and gold.

[Chinook]

Torrey Craig to MIL. Spurs really aint doing a god damn thing this offseason :lol


I figured they'd try to bring in some kind of FA but jesus man, they really are content to run it back with basically the same fucking roster :lmao

Honestly, I think this is going too far. The Spurs aren't going to pay the tax over some lame player like Craig. There's nothing wrong with that.

[Chinook]

Spurs desperately need 3&D players, and so far Spurs drafted a rookie who could not pan out for years and signed some unknown two-way player and thats it. I'd prefer to have at least one proven 3&D guy on the roster

The Spurs don't need three-and-D players. Also, saying Vassell "could not pan out for years" is absurd. He's either going to bust, or he's going to be an NBA-caliber three-and-D player next season. There's no development with him when it comes to being a bit player. He's certainly better than Tori fucking Craig.

Same sentiment that made Spurs fans want to trade two firsts for Taureen Prince or Stanley Johnson two years ago.

[Joseph Kony]

Right :lol the Spurs have exactly 0 3&D wing players, the most highly coveted type of role player in the NBA, and yet they dont need any of them. whatever argument you can make to justify that is 100% wrong dude

[Chinook]

Right :lol the Spurs have exactly 0 3&D wing players, the most highly coveted type of role player in the NBA, and yet they dont need any of them. whatever argument you can make to justify that is 100% wrong dude

They have a number of those players. They just don't have the 6-8 guys you want to pretend are the only ones that matters.

[GAustex]

SA could use 2-6’ 7”-8” dudes who can run and jump and defend a make a open 3 point shot at a decent clip. It’s what they are missing.

[PhantomDashCam]

Necessity is the mother of invention. Hopefully Vassell can earn some minutes early.

[Dejounte]

SA could use 2-6’ 7”-8” dudes who can run and jump and defend a make a open 3 point shot at a decent clip. It’s what they are missing.

Keldon and Devin are both at least 6'7".

[Chinook]

SA could use 2-6’ 7”-8” dudes who can run and jump and defend a make a open 3 point shot at a decent clip. It’s what they are missing.

No. Those guys would be important to winning a title. They're not important to a team trying to figure out its identity. Complaining about not going into the tax for a guy like Craig is just dumb. It's just a way to keep bitching about every thing. No Spurs fan should want min-level guys signed so they can play over Vassell, Walker, Johnson, or Murray right now.

[GAustex]

Keldon and Devin are both at least 6'7".
I hope u are right.
Both have not proven anything yet.
Keldon maybe we will see
The other young buck I hope so.

[Leetonidas]

No. Those guys would be important to winning a title. They're not important to a team trying to figure out its identity. Complaining about not going into the tax for a guy like Craig is just dumb. It's just a way to keep bitching about every thing. No Spurs fan should want min-level guys signed so they can play over Vassell, Walker, Johnson, or Murray right now.

No one is not bitching about not getiing Craig. It's about the Spurs doing literally nothing at all besides resigning middling talent

[spurspl]

spurs need a young big who can shoot 3s the most. samanic isnt ready, trey lyles is just a backup option, lma is old and will be gone after this season, poeltl totally cant shoot. the frontcourt spacing and shooting will be the main problem in upcoming season and even a bigger problem the season after if we aint draft or trade for a big who can shoot

[Leetonidas]

Keldon and Devin are both at least 6'7".

Besides them. I have faith in KJ but he still has a lot to prove and Vassell hasn't even stepped on an NBA court yet

[RC_Drunkford]

Weatherspoon just accepted the two-way offer by the Spurs. Brian Wright keeps making splashes in free agency

[GAustex]

No. Those guys would be important to winning a title. They're not important to a team trying to figure out its identity. Complaining about not going into the tax for a guy like Craig is just dumb. It's just a way to keep bitching about every thing. No Spurs fan should want min-level guys signed so they can play over Vassell, Walker, Johnson, or Murray right now.
I never said anything about Craig.
SA has been moving smaller guys up a position into small forward too long.
DDR and Lonnie and for goodness sake Beli are not small forwards.
Hopefully Keldon and Devin fill the bill.
The other thing SA needs is for the young guards to step up MORE.

[Chinook]

No one is not bitching about not getiing Craig. It's about the Spurs doing literally nothing at all besides resigning middling talent

Dude, read like 12 posts up or whatever. Yes, people are bitching about Craig.

And after a year of folks complaining about vets playing over their young talent, folks are complaining about the team not signing more vets to play over the talent again.

It's just weird. There wasn't going to be a signing unless Poeltl was let go.

[Chinook]

I never said anything about Craig.
SA has been moving smaller guys up a position into small forward too long.
DDR and Lonnie and for goodness sake Beli are not small forwards.
Hopefully Keldon and Devin fill the bill.
The other thing SA needs is for the young guards to step up MORE.

DeRozan is a small forward. If the Spurs sign a good 6-8 guy, he'll play the four. If they sign two, that second one will be on the bench. I could agree that SA could use a tall guy to defend James. But that's basically it, and they aren't good enough to worry about matching up with one player at this point.

And I know you didn't say anything about Craig. I wasn't criticizing you for that. It's just a sign of how thoughtless the criticism against PATFO has gotten to where people will just spout off things about scrubs like him.

[Degoat]

So as of right now the roster consists of...

Jakob/Eubanks
LMA/Rudy/Trey/Luka
Demar/Keldon/Devin
Dwhite/Lonnie
Murray/Patty

Doesn’t that leave 2 open roster spots?? Quinndary is on another 2 way contract, maybe we sign Tre Jones to a guaranteed contract but that still would leave 1 open roster spot and 1 more 2 way contract available

[Chinook]

So as of right now the roster consists of...

Jakob/Eubanks
LMA/Rudy/Trey/Luka
Demar/Keldon/Devin
Dwhite/Lonnie
Murray/Patty

Doesn’t that leave 2 open roster spots?? Quinndary is on another 2 way contract, maybe we sign Tre Jones to a guaranteed contract but that still would leave 1 open roster spot and 1 more 2 way contract available

Cam will get the other two-way spot, and unless the contract for Poeltl comes back and is more generous to SA than initially reported, the Spurs don't even have enough money for a rookie min deal. They should have enough to sign some 10-days later on and then lock up a guy for the rest of the season. But they probably won't come out of camp with a full roster.

Just to be clear, Jones being signed to a deal near the rookie minimum is assumed in what I said above. They have enough money for him, but not a second rookie min.

[BackHome]

I don’t think people are complaining about us signing Vets I agree it’s there inability to move LMA, DeRozan, Mills, or Gay for any future draft capital. To me that is the only way we can actually get back to a top team in the NBA and at this point not getting anything is almost as bad as what happened with KY.

[Chinook]

I don’t think people are complaining about us signing Vets I agree it’s there inability to move LMA, DeRozan, Mills, or Gay for any future draft capital. To me that is the only way we can actually get back to a top team in the NBA and at this point not getting anything is almost as bad as what happened with KY.

People are complaining about Craig. They are doing it because they're frustrated in general because they had expectations that SA was going to clean house even though this time last year most of us would've said it was going to be a two-year process. That's fine though. I get that frustration. I like trades too and had hopes of moving up for at least one good rookie. But that doesn't give a justification to bitch about every random signing, especially when those signings would've gone against the reason why most people wanted trades in the first place. If the team should've traded away vets to build around the young guys, then it makes no sense to want them to sign a guy to take away minutes from the young guys just so they could "do something".

[Dejounte]

So as of right now the roster consists of...

Jakob/Eubanks
LMA/Rudy/Trey/Luka
Demar/Keldon/Devin
Dwhite/Lonnie
Murray/Patty

Doesn’t that leave 2 open roster spots?? Quinndary is on another 2 way contract, maybe we sign Tre Jones to a guaranteed contract but that still would leave 1 open roster spot and 1 more 2 way contract available

Patty played backup point the year Kawhi was still here and he was TERRIBLE. He doesn't run plays, and he just chucks it up. His best role has always been that of a shooting guard. He's the real odd man out unless Lonnie just stinks it up next season.

[Chinook]

The Spurs managed to keep all of their vets while also having minutes for four of their six first-round picks. That's a good use of assets. They can trade those vets later for value, trade some of the young players if they see a window open or just let it play out and have those young guys and cap space. There's basically no way this year can go wrong until/unless the Spurs decide to pick a direction. Right now, they'll be expected to get a pick in the 10-18 range and then evaluate in what looks like it could be a Pop less future. Seems fine.

[Atl Spur]

I think white comes off the bench and Keldon May start; our three best ball handlers/facilitators can’t start I’m thinking.

[The Truth #6]

I really wanted LMA off the team in the off-season, and obviously that didn’t happen. But if we all sober up for a second, this season does suggest that it is going to be about playing the young players (which is something many have been wanting for about 20 years and may finally now get) and seeing who they want to stick with longer-term. Of course, Pop could totally resist that and overplay his veterans, but I think that would be a further mistake, because there are so many guards and at some point they will be fighting for minutes and that will become a morale problem.

[cjw]

Cam will get the other two-way spot, and unless the contract for Poeltl comes back and is more generous to SA than initially reported, the Spurs don't even have enough money for a rookie min deal. They should have enough to sign some 10-days later on and then lock up a guy for the rest of the season. But they probably won't come out of camp with a full roster.

Just to be clear, Jones being signed to a deal near the rookie minimum is assumed in what I said above. They have enough money for him, but not a second rookie min.

How close are they to bumping against the tax? Spotrac doesn’t seem updated. Assumed with Poeltl they’re right there, and by your math seems like they are.

To everyone else - that’s why there are no other signings. They’re not going into the tax with this roster.

[DPG21920]

Ya if Sa was not going to trade for their future or to increase win now, the only path was mle. With no trades i didn’t want any medicore “win now” vets especially if it was more than 1 year. SA made their bed. Is what it is.

[DPG21920]

How close are they to bumping against the tax? Spotrac doesn’t seem updated. Assumed with Poeltl they’re right there, and by your math seems like they are.

To everyone else - that’s why there are no other signings. They’re not going into the tax with this roster.

Maybe 600k factoring in Vassell and Tre.

[DPG21920]

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1330595543819710465?s=21

[jjktkk]

SA could use 2-6’ 7”-8” dudes who can run and jump and defend a make a open 3 point shot at a decent clip. It’s what they are missing.

Every NBA team wants these type of players. Given that prime free agents do not want to come to S.A. makes it that much harder to obtain them.

[Chinook]

How close are they to bumping against the tax? Spotrac doesn’t seem updated. Assumed with Poeltl they’re right there, and by your math seems like they are.

To everyone else - that’s why there are no other signings. They’re not going into the tax with this roster.

The Spurs might be at like $800k under the tax is Poeltl's contract is really for like $26.5 Million and backloaded. MAYBE some of his contract has some not-like-to-be-earned incentives that could let them squeek out a min slot. The working assumption right now is that his contract is exactly $27 Million and flat with no incentives, which would put the Spurs at just dollars under the tax.

[Prime BEEF]

The SPurs aren't going to make a trade until mid season and that's only if they're out of it.
lmao. That’s now how pop works. If the season goes south, they are definitely not trading DDR or LMA.

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs managed to keep all of their vets while also having minutes for four of their six first-round picks. That's a good use of assets. They can trade those vets later for value, trade some of the young players if they see a window open or just let it play out and have those young guys and cap space. There's basically no way this year can go wrong until/unless the Spurs decide to pick a direction. Right now, they'll be expected to get a pick in the 10-18 range and then evaluate in what looks like it could be a Pop less future. Seems fine.

Right. This is the way to do a rebuild. That they have 4-6 young guards with strong potential is a really good thing. Posters here are frantic about making the playoffs this year and that's not really the point.

[Prime BEEF]

Keldon and Devin are both at least 6'7".
Technically that’s not true. KJ is 6’5” w/o shoes and 6’6” w/ shoes. Vassell is 1in taller than KJ. He’s 6’6” w/o shoes and 6’7” w/ shoes.

not getting into the whole does height matter debate. But they are not both at least 6’7”

[Mr. Body]

lmao. That’s now how pop works. If the season goes south, they are definitely not trading DDR or LMA.

There is nothing in Pop's history to lead to this conclusion. He's not the GM anyway.

[Chinook]

Technically that’s not true. KJ is 6’5” w/o shoes and 6’6” w/ shoes. Vassell is 1in taller than KJ. He’s 6’6” w/o shoes and 6’7” w/ shoes.

not getting into the whole does height matter debate. But they are not both at least 6’7”

Johnson looks like he grew a bit over the season, and 6-7 was always going to mean in-shoes. That is how height is always measured in the NBA.

[Prime BEEF]

I think white comes off the bench and Keldon May start; our three best ball handlers/facilitators can’t start I’m thinking.
Starting 5 will be:
Murray, Mills, DDR, Gay (or Lyles), LMA

[SaTownFan]

I never understood the whole measurement without shoes thing, when was the last barefoot NBA game?

[BackHome]

Pop is not going to sit LMA nor Derzz as they are both vets on a contract year sitting them would not look good nor would go well with them. They are going to get 30 + minutes a game and that’s good we want them to do good it might net us a good trade during season.

[Prime BEEF]

There is nothing in Pop's history to lead to this conclusion. He's not the GM anyway.
Quite the contrary. There is nothing in pops history that would lead you to the conclusion that he would.

Going off history. How many mid-season trades have the spurs done under pops leadership? How many of those included his “best” players?

Don't kid yourself. Pop is running things or at a minimum has the final say so

[Dejounte]

Technically that’s not true. KJ is 6’5” w/o shoes and 6’6” w/ shoes. Vassell is 1in taller than KJ. He’s 6’6” w/o shoes and 6’7” w/ shoes.

not getting into the whole does height matter debate. But they are not both at least 6’7”

Wrong. He grew. He's taller than DeMar by a bit and he towers over Lonnie.

Check the Devin thread. He's taller by what appears 2" than Josh Green.

[Drewlius]

We should offer RHJ the MLE and call it a wrap if he bites.

[Mr. Body]

Quite the contrary. There is nothing in pops history that would lead you to the conclusion that he would.

Going off history. How many mid-season trades have the spurs done under pops leadership? How many of those included his “best” players?

Don't kid yourself. Pop is running things or at a minimum has the final say so

We've never been in this situation before. Better read of history is that Pop likes to take care of his players. The franchise kind of has to, given difficulty attracting them. This is why they won't dump either player on a shitty team, but they will work with them to get them to contendors.

[Prime BEEF]

Wrong. He grew. He's taller than DeMar by a bit and he towers over Lonnie.

Check the Devin thread. He's taller by what appears 2" than Josh Green.
I’m 6’3”. A close friend of mine is 6’5”. There are plenty of pictures of us together where I look taller but I’m not. Can’t really judge things off pictures unless there’s a huge difference in height.

If KJ actually has grown, then we should see his height updated on the roster at some point.

[Chinook]

I’m 6’3”. A close friend of mine is 6’5”. There are plenty of pictures of us together where I look taller but I’m not. Can’t really judge things off pictures unless there’s a huge difference in height.

If KJ actually has grown, then we should see his height updated on the roster at some point.

It'll update when training camp starts and the team releases its "official" measurements. That's if anything has changed of course.

[Dejounte]

I’m 6’3”. A close friend of mine is 6’5”. There are plenty of pictures of us together where I look taller but I’m not. Can’t really judge things off pictures unless there’s a huge difference in height.

If KJ actually has grown, then we should see his height updated on the roster at some point.

Not true. There are many players in the NBA whose height they never updated.

[Dejounte]

It'll update when training camp starts and the team releases its "official" measurements. That's if anything has changed of course.

Is this true? I've never seen this happen.

[Prime BEEF]

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1330595543819710465?s=21
Damn. Adams is a great pickup for NOLA. They’re going to be good next season

PG-Ball, Lewis Jr
SG-Reddick, Bledsoe
SF-Ingram, Hart
PF-Zion, Melli
C-Adams, Hayes

[Dejounte]

I've seen Durant and Giannis's height debated for years by their fans, and it's clear there has been an increase, but the NBA would never update their height.

[TD 21]

So as of right now the roster consists of...


Jakob/Eubanks
LMA/Rudy/Trey/Luka
Demar/Keldon/Devin
Dwhite/Lonnie
Murray/Patty

Doesn’t that leave 2 open roster spots?? Quinndary is on another 2 way contract, maybe we sign Tre Jones to a guaranteed contract but that still would leave 1 open roster spot and 1 more 2 way contract available

Starters: Lyles, DeRozan, Aldridge, White, Murray

Bench: Mills, Gay, Poeltl, Johnson, Walker, Vassell

Deep bench: Eubanks, Jones, Samanic, Reynolds, Weatherspoon



I think white comes off the bench and Keldon May start; our three best ball handlers/facilitators can’t start I’m thinking.

They can, but it'll require White to sub out mid 1st/3rd, sub back in late 1st/3rd, then sub back out early 2nd/4th and sub back in mid 2nd/4th.

Too soon for Johnson, who'd need to prove himself a bona fide shooter to function with the starters.



Damn. Adams is a great pickup for NOLA. They’re going to be good next season

PG-Ball, Lewis Jr
SG-Reddick, Bledsoe
SF-Ingram, Hart
PF-Zion, Melli
C-Adams, Hayes

Bledsoe will start, while Redick will serve as the sixth man. Walker-Alexander will compete with Lewis Jr. for minutes, while Hernangomez will be the third C.

Talent/value wise, they did well in their trades, but they failed miserably fit wise. They desperately needed shooting to compliment their core.

[TimDunkem]

I've seen Durant and Giannis's height debated for years by their fans, and it's clear there has been an increase, but the NBA would never update their height.

It's strange. They're militant with some Orgs. but with other orgs/players they haven't cracked down on regarding accurate measurements.

[BackHome]

Damn. Adams is a great pickup for NOLA. They’re going to be good next season

PG-Ball, Lewis Jr
SG-Reddick, Bledsoe
SF-Ingram, Hart
PF-Zion, Melli
C-Adams, Hayes

Yeah I really like Kira Lewis he is fast as hell and with Adams setting picks good luck guarding him he also has a sweet 3 point shot will definitely be fun to watch.

[itzsoweezee]

There is nothing in Pop's history to lead to this conclusion. He's not the GM anyway.

Up to the 10 seed gets to participate in the play in tournament. It's a certainty that they're not shipping out LMA or DDR with the possibility of a playoff spot (however extremely slim they are) greater than zero. This is the team we're going to be stuck with.

[itzsoweezee]

Watching the sniffers over the last season plus this off season has been a sight. You all should have your excuses lined up when Demar and LMA are in the starting lineup in the last game of the season (likely when they get eliminated in the playoff tournament) as the 10th seed

[Mr. Body]

Up to the 10 seed gets to participate in the play in tournament. It's a certainty that they're not shipping out LMA or DDR with the possibility of a playoff spot (however extremely slim they are) greater than zero. This is the team we're going to be stuck with.

I mean "stuck with." It's not my fault so many people bought into DDR or LMA for draft picks. That was seriously unlikely. No one trades first round draft picks for expirings, certainly not lottery picks.

Of course this is the team, pretty much. That's the point of a rebuild. They have like 5-7 dynamic young guards who are very promising and need game time to develop. The only other thing that can happen at this point is offloading the aforementioned vets. If there's a trade that makes sense, it'll be done, but the FO isn't going to dump them in Siberia.

So all this whining about whatever is just stupid fanboying. The future of the Spurs is already on the team and in future draft picks. They might be able to find an FA or two to complement them, but it's not going to happen right now.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I never understood the whole measurement without shoes thing, when was the last barefoot NBA game?


LOL. Same comments every damned year.

If they measure everyone exactly the same way, then you can make a valid comparison between all players. And since all shoes aren't the same, it just makes sense to measure everyone barefoot. It's really not a difficult concept. But it seems to stump a subset of the population.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Up to the 10 seed gets to participate in the play in tournament. It's a certainty that they're not shipping out LMA or DDR with the possibility of a playoff spot (however extremely slim they are) greater than zero. This is the team we're going to be stuck with.


Have they officially adopted the play-in for next year? :lol

Like it wasn't enough already that half the teams get into the postseason. So now they have a postseason before the postseason. I thought that's what the regular season was supposed to be. Why not just give everyone a participation trophy and just play games without anyone keeping score?

[Drewlius]

We should offer RHJ the MLE and call it a wrap if he bites.

[Atl Spur]

Watching the sniffers over the last season plus this off season has been a sight. You all should have your excuses lined up when Demar and LMA are in the starting lineup in the last game of the season (likely when they get eliminated in the playoff tournament) as the 10th seed

Put your bread where your mouth is........ we’ll cash app it to TImvp or someone else with them stripes on this board. We can do 100.00 if you cool with it������

[Dejounte]

Watching the sniffers over the last season plus this off season has been a sight. You all should have your excuses lined up when Demar and LMA are in the starting lineup in the last game of the season (likely when they get eliminated in the playoff tournament) as the 10th seed

Here's the difference between fucktards like yourself and people who believe in the team:

When the team fails to meet the expectations, we'll still be here and find optimism where optimism is deserved.

When the team succeeds to meet the expectations, you'll be nowhere in sight OR you'll be around here posting on a forum dedicated to a team you hate, crying about how miserable you are.

[Chinook]

The issue is thinking that "sniffers" believe the Spurs getting 10th is a bad thing. I think it shows a fundamental lack of nuance to think supporting or being okay with not tanking has to mean that one believes the Spurs have any realistic chance at a title. There are more goals for a season than to win a title. It sounds good to say things like, "I just want the team to be on the fastest path to a ring, and that's through the draft." But that view clearly comes from the idea of the team being at least a dark-horse title contender for almost off the past three decades. Having a team that goes from a 12th-seed to a nine-seed to a 7th-seed to a peak of a fourth- or fifth-seed before falling back down over the course of a half-dozen years isn't that bad. Plenty of teams are on those paths, including many of the ones people are bragging about. It's still basketball.

[The Truth #6]

Yes, the FO is hard to figure out, yes, they are contrarians who believe they are smarter than everyone else because there were so many morons running teams for so long, but I just want to see the young players develop. Fretting about the FO is an exercise in existentialism. Developing our young players is the path we’re on. And it seems the FO is finally on board with that. I’m ready for the season to get started.

[cd021]

It was the rumor but it doesn't appear Boston will actually take Rozier...he may be re-routed to a 3rd team.
I don't know how that works, a third team would either need to absorb Rozier's $19 million or Boston would have to take back trade filler in the deal. Don't know if they can open up a $30 million TE in a deal.

Aldridge would fill a need there, but that's a big contract to absorb into a TE while also navigating the luxury tax. Its possible but doubtful.

[Prime BEEF]

LOL. Same comments every damned year.

If they measure everyone exactly the same way, then you can make a valid comparison between all players. And since all shoes aren't the same, it just makes sense to measure everyone barefoot. It's really not a difficult concept. But it seems to stump a subset of the population.
Exactly. For those math/science folks out there w/o shoes is the only way to get a true baseline to compare players to other players. That’s also why the military and others measure your height w/o shoes.

Usually when someone asks for your height they are asking for it w/o shoes. otherwise you’d have to ask with sandles? With cowboy boots? Etc...

[mo7888]

I don't know how that works, a third team would either need to absorb Rozier's $19 million or Boston would have to take back trade filler in the deal. Don't know if they can open up a $30 million TE in a deal.

Aldridge would fill a need there, but that's a big contract to absorb into a TE while also navigating the luxury tax. Its possible but doubtful.

Since Charlotte has the room to sign Hayward outright a S&T can be completed without them sending anything to Boston. The only incentive for them to do that would be Boston sending them an asset (a future pick).

[Prime BEEF]

Here's the difference between fucktards like yourself and people who believe in the team:

When the team fails to meet the expectations, we'll still be here and find optimism where optimism is deserved.

When the team succeeds to meet the expectations, you'll be nowhere in sight OR you'll be around here posting on a forum dedicated to a team you hate, crying about how miserable you are.
Way off. Most everyone will recognize good things when they happen and be happy if the spurs do something great. Unfortunately right now there isn’t a lot to be happy about.

From what I’ve seen there are usually 4 types of fans...

1) Fake—
these fans are usually not knowledgeable about the sport. Literally don’t know bball from baseball rules. And are either supporting the team because they have corporate reasons too (for their job) or it is popular too. Popular meaning the team is doing well. Kind of like the fans that liked the heat with LBJ and then became GS fans.
2) Emotional—
these fans just get way moody and jump between emotional highs and emotion lows like a yo-yo. It is stressful to watch games with these fans. I notice a lot of these fans when I lived in SEC country
3) Blind Loyalty—
Although they might be a logical person in other aspects of their life when it comes to their team complete blind loyalty to the team doesn’t allow them to think logically and have an open mind wrt their team. These are the constant “we got them right where we want them” guys...even if you’re down by 40. They also turn on any other fans when they point out bad things about the team and are the first to say “you’re not a real fan!”. These kinds of fans subconsciously love when their team is bad so that they can show all others how “hardcore” they are. In some extreme cases these kinds of fans can turn a blind eye to bad things and allow toxic cultures to continue like those at Penn St.
4) Logical—
Loyal fans that are aware of the positive and negative trends of their team and can have open discussions about them with members of the same fan base or people from other fanbases. They will be with the team in bad times and good times. But will likely bitch about things when times are bad and will likely be happy when times are good.

[Dejounte]

"Most everyone will recognize good things when they happen and be happy if the spurs do something great."

This is from the lens of people who likely don't know how to run a business, manage people and resources, don't understand risks, don't know how to manage costs of a business, wouldn't know how to satisfy stakeholders, and in general, don't understand the undertakings of a project.

The idea that these fans hold the definition of what is good and what is not good and for all to use that standard to gauge how one should react is absurd.

[Degoat]

San Antonio Spurs (by Fred Katz): Like with other teams, the Spurs might be more into a deal if the Wizards were willing to incentivize taking on Wall’s contract. But that’s never easy. (https://theathletic.com/2213601/2020/11/22/wizards-potential-john-wall-trades/) The one thing the Wizards would have going for them is San Antonio’s desire to remain competitive during Gregg Popovich’s final years. If the organization believes Wall can show something after returning from injury, maybe it tries placing him next to DeMar DeRozan — and it’s not like the Spurs have emphasized 3-point shooting as much as other franchises. But they also almost never make trades. And they probably won’t break the trend by dealing for someone like Wall, unless it meant taking in a boatload of picks.
– via Fred Katz @ The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/2213601/2020/11/22/wizards-potential-john-wall-trades/)

No way in hell the spurs entertain this but for my ST rumor junkies I saw this on hoopshype

[XDT76]

Is this true? I've never seen this happen.

They updated last season, not sure about the rest of seasons.

[SpurPadre]

I never understood the whole measurement without shoes thing, when was the last barefoot NBA game?

Ask Gary Neal if shoes matter.

[SpurPadre]

I'm not excited about the G leaguers we're signing but I am excited for the continued development of Murray, White, Walker, Johnson, and now Vassell and Jones. Hopefully Samanic can bounce back from his rough start and show us something. Obviously, we're not winning anything this season but there are things to be optimistic about. There's a new direction slowly taking shape and we have to be patient.

[kobyz]

Imagine we had the Lakers front office in the Tim Duncan era, front office who doesn't staying put and satisfied just because he just won a title... How much repeats we would had?

[rankingtear]

Imagine we had the Lakers front office in the Tim Duncan era, front office who doesn't staying put and satisfied just because he just won a title... How much repeats we would had?

Are we even sure the FO is running things? This is LeGM at work.

[Rummpd]

Bottom line FA for Spurs - non event per par

[kobyz]

Are we even sure the FO is running things? This is LeGM at work.
Doesn't matter, that still come to show the nullity of our front office all those years

[tbdog]

Are we even sure the FO is running things? This is LeGM at work.
S
That Harrell guy already had Laker shoes designed for him and announced it on Twitter immediately after signing. Here is the thing, you can't design shoes in a few minutes. It appears Rich Paul already had converations with the Lakers prior to free agency opening up.

[ZeusWillJudge]

Here's the difference between fucktards like yourself and people who believe in the team:

When the team fails to meet the expectations, we'll still be here and find optimism where optimism is deserved.

When the team succeeds to meet the expectations, you'll be nowhere in sight OR you'll be around here posting on a forum dedicated to a team you hate, crying about how miserable you are.


There is a lot of room for a LOT of legitimate criticism over the last several years. It's never a bad thing to make a truthful observation. Okay... maybe it's a bad thing if it has to do with your wife or your boss. But if a team can't see the problem, the only way they improve is by accident. That's not a plan. Trying to build around LMA and DDR may be a plan - just not a very good one.

This organization needs some changes, and they aren't making them. A lot of people have started to believe that the quote posted below by Degoat has some of the reasons why the team hasn't improved. You may disagree, but you can't possibly fail to see why they think that.



San Antonio Spurs (by Fred Katz): Like with other teams, the Spurs might be more into a deal if the Wizards were willing to incentivize taking on Wall’s contract. But that’s never easy. The one thing the Wizards would have going for them is San Antonio’s desire to remain competitive during Gregg Popovich’s final years. If the organization believes Wall can show something after returning from injury, maybe it tries placing him next to DeMar DeRozan — and it’s not like the Spurs have emphasized 3-point shooting as much as other franchises. But they also almost never make trades. And they probably won’t break the trend by dealing for someone like Wall, unless it meant taking in a boatload of picks.


The idea of taking on Wall is far-fetched, to say the least. But the part about their goal being to "stay competitive" during Pop's final years? That looks pretty solid to me. And the part about Pop "not emphasizing the 3 as much as other teams"? That's a laughable understatement.

When you have a roster that is just short a piece or two, the future is now. But for this Spurs roster, the future is the future. And they aren't behaving like it. I said this team needs some changes. What I really wanted to say was that it needs an enema. But that would have made tempers flare, so I'm not gonna say it. :D

[KobesAchilles]

Imagine we had the Lakers front office in the Tim Duncan era, front office who doesn't staying put and satisfied just because he just won a title... How much repeats we would had?
We did in 2003. We just came up short. But we went HARD after both J O’Neal and J Kidd. Even Duncan tried recruiting them, but they both said no. Kids bc of his wife and O’Neal bc he thought Indy was a championship caliber team.

[Dejounte]

There is a lot of room for a LOT of legitimate criticism over the last several years. It's never a bad thing to make a truthful observation. Okay... maybe it's a bad thing if it has to do with your wife or your boss. But if a team can't see the problem, the only way they improve is by accident. That's not a plan. Trying to build around LMA and DDR may be a plan - just not a very good one.

This organization needs some changes, and they aren't making them. A lot of people have started to believe that the quote posted below by Degoat has some of the reasons why the team hasn't improved. You may disagree, but you can't possibly fail to see why they think that.





The idea of taking on Wall is far-fetched, to say the least. But the part about their goal being to "stay competitive" during Pop's final years? That looks pretty solid to me. And the part about Pop "not emphasizing the 3 as much as other teams"? That's a laughable understatement.

When you have a roster that is just short a piece or two, the future is now. But for this Spurs roster, the future is the future. And they aren't behaving like it. I said this team needs some changes. What I really wanted to say was that it needs an enema. But that would have made tempers flare, so I'm not gonna say it. :D

I don't disagree that legitimate criticism should be said when necessary; it was never about that. It's about the idiots who call out others for supporting the team amidst that. The ones who are trying to drag others down to their miserable level. What they fail to see is that the ones they criticize DO acknowledge the faults of the team, but we actively choose to see the things to be optimistic about. These are the people who should fuck off.

[DPG21920]

I don't disagree that legitimate criticism should be said when necessary; it was never about that. It's about the idiots who call out others for supporting the team amidst that. The ones who are trying to drag others down to their miserable level. What they fail to see is that the ones they criticize DO acknowledge the faults of the team, but we actively choose to see the things to be optimistic about. These are the people who should fuck off.

Almost no one does that. You’re inventing some holier than thou position that doesn’t exist because you can’t handle any questions regarding the FO.

Even someone as vocal and present as me that could never be mistake as a troll or some complete idiot with no grasp on the NBA (maybe?) has repeatedly stated both my enthusiasm for the youth and that even my criticisms don’t mean the team has messed everything up. Repeatedly.

You just ignore that aspect because you can’t stomach and critical outlook.

[Dejounte]

Almost no one does that. You’re inventing some holier than thou position that doesn’t exist because you can’t handle any questions regarding the FO.

Even someone as vocal and present as me that could never be mistake as a troll or some complete idiot with no grasp on the NBA (maybe?) has repeatedly stated both my enthusiasm for the youth and that even my criticisms don’t mean the team has messed everything up. Repeatedly.

You just ignore that aspect because you can’t stomach and critical outlook.

Are you fucking kidding me?

Literally on the last page:


Watching the sniffers over the last season plus this off season has been a sight. You all should have your excuses lined up when Demar and LMA are in the starting lineup in the last game of the season (likely when they get eliminated in the playoff tournament) as the 10th seed

Get your glasses checked, old man.

[DPG21920]

Are you fucking kidding me?

Literally on the last page:



Get your glasses checked, old man.

One example? You are making it seem like it’s some COMMON belief. This old man thing is not as funny as you think but keep on :lol

[Dejounte]

One example? You are making it seem like it’s some COMMON belief. This old man thing is not as funny as you think but keep on :lol

The dude, I'm not going to go through countless threads digging up the examples for you. It's more common than you're led to believe.

[Chinook]

The dude, I'm not going to go through countless threads digging up the examples for you. It's more common than you're led to believe.

He knows that. The group who disparage "sniffery" is too vocal and prominent for a regular poster to credibly not know.

[DPG21920]

The dude, I'm not going to go through countless threads digging up the examples for you. It's more common than you're led to believe.

:lol whatever youngin

[DPG21920]

He knows that. The group who disparage "sniffery" is too vocal and prominent for a regular poster to credibly not know.

You’re saying you think it’s common for the people who call other sniffers to say the team is doomed and basically everything is bad (youth sucks, future sucks, etc)?

[Chinook]

You’re saying you think it’s common for the people who call other sniffers to say the team is doomed and basically everything is bad (youth sucks, future sucks, etc)?

I'm not gonna split hairs on what common means. I know that you know it's not just one person though.

[ceperez]

Vassell wasn't measured at the combine, look it up (https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/), also look up Lonnie height in shoes wile you're at it


Dude you're so factually and objectively off.... who's alt is this ... I have an Idea...





https://i.imgur.com/HduiY9e.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/c97W1Ld.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/NeHkvs6.jpg

Remember its Chinook Dejounte its all just angles and lighting position of the camera the position in relation to of stars the atmosphere and how it effects the lenses
and because @Primebeef said he has some photos he took where he looks six foot five er something....
Lonnie walker is six foot five in shoes Keldon is Six foot six because it was written down in the book of knowledge and Vassell is taller even though he isn't in that book of knowledge... look for youselves at the link provided. ...ignore these lying photographs........

Keldon also has a short neck. So he's much bigger than what's advertised.

[DPG21920]

I'm not gonna split hairs on what common means. I know that you know it's not just one person though.

Of course I know that. I’m saying even on here it’s not some widely held belief despite criticisms.

[Prime BEEF]

Vassell wasn't measured at the combine, look it up (https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/), also look up Lonnie height in shoes wile you're at it


Dude you're so factually and objectively off.... who's alt is this ... I have an Idea...





https://i.imgur.com/HduiY9e.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/c97W1Ld.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/NeHkvs6.jpg

Remember its Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342) its all just angles and lighting position of the camera the position in relation to of stars the atmosphere and how it effects the lenses
and because @Primebeef said he has some photos he took where he looks six foot five er something....
Lonnie walker is six foot five in shoes Keldon is Six foot six because it was written down in the book of knowledge and Vassell is taller even though he isn't in that book of knowledge... look for youselves at the link provided. ...ignore these lying photographs........
lol. You guys are funny. You make a lot of false assumptions. You clearly have information bias. This picture is closer than you think but the other guys are not as tall as you think. If you guys want to keep rounding up on heights that’s fine but it isn’t accurate. And yes angles and position do matter in pictures when people are somewhat close (1-2in) in height. That’s why official measurements are done. Not hard to figure out. It’s good to have a baseline. Like I said before, if KJ is 6’7”, 6’9” or whatever the flavor of the week is for you, it will likely get updated. It actually could help him and his agent get more money on the market so you’d think they’d push for an update if it is that far off.

Walker was measured at 6’3.75” w/o shoes and 6’4.5” w/ shoes at his nba combine. Derrick White was 6’3.25” and 6’4.5” at the combine. Can’t find the measurements for Murray.

overall, don’t the height for kJ is going to matter though as pop will play who he wants. I’m not convinced that kJ is going to get more minutes than Murray, white and Walker. Hope I’m wrong. I like his play better than Walker and Murray.

[Dejounte]

Vassell wasn't measured at the combine, look it up (https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/), also look up Lonnie height in shoes wile you're at it


Dude you're so factually and objectively off.... who's alt is this ... I have an Idea...





https://i.imgur.com/HduiY9e.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/c97W1Ld.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/NeHkvs6.jpg

Remember its Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342) its all just angles and lighting position of the camera the position in relation to of stars the atmosphere and how it effects the lenses
and because @Primebeef said he has some photos he took where he looks six foot five er something....
Lonnie walker is six foot five in shoes Keldon is Six foot six because it was written down in the book of knowledge and Vassell is taller even though he isn't in that book of knowledge... look for youselves at the link provided. ...ignore these lying photographs........


Here's Keldon's height at the beginning of the season:

https://i.imgur.com/CFwAj3V.jpg

[BackHome]

Somebody post all the players measurements for the new season that would be cool I think Chinook said he would? I am interested in Luka I heard he had a growth spurt so wondering if that was true and what his new height is?

[itzsoweezee]

Here's the difference between fucktards like yourself and people who believe in the team:

When the team fails to meet the expectations, we'll still be here and find optimism where optimism is deserved.

When the team succeeds to meet the expectations, you'll be nowhere in sight OR you'll be around here posting on a forum dedicated to a team you hate, crying about how miserable you are.

This is a basketball team message board, not a support group, you loser. Get a life

[Dejounte]

This is a basketball team message board, not a support group, you loser. Get a life

It is. And that means I can call you out on your bullshit. Dumbass.

[twilo73]

I'm totally in the side of people who want to trade DM and LA to play the kids. Understand clearly that you can't just have a team of kids, but after we broke our streak of play off appearances it makes no sense to be a middle of the road team. We either tank to get better picks next year and develop the kids or we make changes to be a clear contender. a 7th or 8th seed doesn't work for me.

Having said that if we are going to keep one of them LA makes more sense as we have less depth in the paint. DM would take minutes away from Walker, KJ, and Vassell.

But as I pointed out before I'm a little confused on why the market for these two has suddenly evaporated. Not a single rumor. Why do you guys think that is?

[Prime BEEF]

False assumptions.... You said that Vassell was measured at 6 foot seven inches in shoes and I proved YOU LIED... FALSE assumption.... ok dude Then you go from six foot seven to six foot nine for some reason(I know the reason.... as I think I know who's all you are... go to the hug machine please)

Here are sum more pictures to melt down over...

https://i.imgur.com/cdAhlTJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UGtNurh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/DuyvOzC.jpg
lol 6’7”, 6’9” was a joke. Almost added 6’11” too make it more obvious. you guys think everyone is going to grow like drob

yes those pictures prove my point. Murray is now the same height as DDR? Nope just the way the picture was taken.

[spurspl]

I'm totally in the side of people who want to trade DM and LA to play the kids. Understand clearly that you can't just have a team of kids, but after we broke our streak of play off appearances it makes no sense to be a middle of the road team. We either tank to get better picks next year and develop the kids or we make changes to be a clear contender. a 7th or 8th seed doesn't work for me.

Having said that if we are going to keep one of them LA makes more sense as we have less depth in the paint. DM would take minutes away from Walker, KJ, and Vassell.

But as I pointed out before I'm a little confused on why the market for these two has suddenly evaporated. Not a single rumor. Why do you guys think that is?

ddr is trash and cant shoot 3s. lma is injured and old. plus patfo probably want too much in return for them.

[Prime BEEF]

This is a basketball team message board, not a support group, you loser. Get a life
It is very obviously a support group to him.

but to play devils advocate it is for me a little as well. I like being able to discuss things related to the spurs on here. No one seems to care about the nba anymore and my group of people to talk about the spurs is exponentially shrinking. Most conversations on here are good imo. There are just a few insecure fans/posters that are very childish and annoying.

[Dejounte]

It is very obviously a support group to him.

but to play devils advocate it is for me a little as well. I like being able to discuss things related to the spurs on here. No one seems to care about the nba anymore and my group of people to talk about the spurs is exponentially shrinking. Most conversations on here are good imo. There are just a few insecure fans/posters that are very childish and annoying.

You were somewhat respectable before you said that. You can go fuck yourself too.

[SpursDynasty85]

Here's Keldon's height at the beginning of the season:

https://i.imgur.com/CFwAj3V.jpg
Dejounte could be wearing some shoes that elevate his height, especially since he’s in street wear.

[Atl Spur]

You were somewhat respectable before you said that. You can go fuck yourself too.

No he wasn’t....JS. Him and weezeee or whatever he calls himself are clowns & attention whores. BTW weeziey, what you got on that offer I sent you?

[Prime BEEF]

"Most everyone will recognize good things when they happen and be happy if the spurs do something great."

This is from the lens of people who likely don't know how to run a business, manage people and resources, don't understand risks, don't know how to manage costs of a business, wouldn't know how to satisfy stakeholders, and in general, don't understand the undertakings of a project.

The idea that these fans hold the definition of what is good and what is not good and for all to use that standard to gauge how one should react is absurd.
Your assumption of “likely” is in ignorant comment to make. To assume that some posters on here aren’t in charge of businesses or large organizations is very ignorant. Think you’d be very surprised at what some posters actually do.

glad to see you understand words like stakeholders and risks.

[Dejounte]

Your assumption of “likely” is in ignorant comment to make. To assume that some posters on here aren’t in charge of businesses or large organizations is very ignorant. Think you’d be very surprised at what some posters actually do.

glad to see you understand words like stakeholders and risks.

Then tell me what you do, dick. Run a study on the percentage of fans who work a white collar job or are involved in the corporate world.

Are we going to pretend that most posters on here own a business or know how to manage one? I'm not being demeaning towards people who work blue collar jobs, they serve a purpose and are honorable. I'm being realistic about the general population of Spurs fans.

Nice slip in with that "insult", of course I do, it's what I do. Tell me more about how you know these words. Are you a 5th grader? Seriously.

[Thomas82]

ddr is trash and cant shoot 3s. lma is injured and old. plus patfo probably want too much in return for them.


PATFO want too much in return because they don't have any intentions on making a trade.

[Prime BEEF]

Then tell me what you do, dick. Run a study on the percentage of fans who work a white collar job or are involved in the corporate world.

Are we going to pretend that most posters on here own a business or know how to manage one? I'm not being demeaning towards people who work blue collar jobs, they serve a purpose and are honorable. I'm being realistic about the general population of Spurs fans.

Nice slip in with that "insult", of course I do, it's what I do. Tell me more about how you know these words. Are you a 5th grader? Seriously.
Sounds good. Thanks. Not discussing what I do, the degrees I have, or the organizations I lead. Will no longer reply to any of your posts. Not worth wasting my time.

[Dejounte]

Sounds good. Thanks. Not discussing what I do, the degrees I have, or the organizations I lead. Will no longer reply to any of your posts. Not worth wasting my time.

Great. Works best for both of us.

[TDMVPDPOY]

with forbes rich list gone....now we just need the other dominos to drop also..when is wombat traded...

[R. DeMurre]

San Antonio Spurs (by Fred Katz): Like with other teams, the Spurs might be more into a deal if the Wizards were willing to incentivize taking on Wall’s contract. But that’s never easy. (https://theathletic.com/2213601/2020/11/22/wizards-potential-john-wall-trades/) The one thing the Wizards would have going for them is San Antonio’s desire to remain competitive during Gregg Popovich’s final years. If the organization believes Wall can show something after returning from injury, maybe it tries placing him next to DeMar DeRozan — and it’s not like the Spurs have emphasized 3-point shooting as much as other franchises. But they also almost never make trades. And they probably won’t break the trend by dealing for someone like Wall, unless it meant taking in a boatload of picks.
– via Fred Katz @ The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/2213601/2020/11/22/wizards-potential-john-wall-trades/)

No way in hell the spurs entertain this but for my ST rumor junkies I saw this on hoopshype


:lol A Wall/DeRozan back court would be such a disaster. Makes no sense for anyone that actual looks at all the young players on the roster, who are full of potential and on inexpensive rookie contracts.

[SpursDynasty85]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmUr89zXUAIQjmW.jpg
Define "Street Wear".... Im pretty sure he is 99.5% gonna be wearing Basketball shoes. most likely New Blance(he is payed by them).... You know the same shoes you are saying "elevated" his height or sumthing..... WTF seriously... Wasnt that hard to find... yep all 3 of them wearing Athletic Shoes..... WTF I mean.... Keep sniffing those grades. bruh

All of them wearing det "Street Wear"


hmm. Your picture doesn’t even show Dejounte’s shoes. Obviously shoes do make a diff though as well as camera angles and type of lens, etc. Anyway.

[BackHome]

Only Drew can go to a Basketball expert to a Size expert and then to a Shoe expert all within a few hours. Lol.

[R. DeMurre]

It's really hard to judge exact measurements from photos-- there are too many variables.
Look at the first pic here: https://dancingwithnoah.com/tag/brandon-clarke/

Zion actually measured a 1" advantage in standing reach over Clarke, but looking at this photo you'd think that Brandon clearly had an advantage of at least a few inches.

[BacktoBasics]

Only Drew can go to a Basketball expert to a Size expert and then to a Shoe expert all within a few hours. Lol.

He’s an expert on everything from shoes to being a racist prick.

[Dejounte]

It's really hard to judge exact measurements from photos-- there are too many variables.
Look at the first pic here: https://dancingwithnoah.com/tag/brandon-clarke/

Zion actually measured a 1" advantage in standing reach over Clarke, but looking at this photo you'd think that Brandon clearly had an advantage of at least a few inches.

Sometimes we use photos because it's the only thing we have. This is because historically NBA teams have not been updating the heights of these players. I do hope this has changed though as someone mentioned here. I would say the most reliable kinds of photos are ones where they're clearly standing next to each other at the same distance from the camera. The one in your photo... that's tough.

[BackHome]

It's really hard to judge exact measurements from photos-- there are too many variables.
Look at the first pic here: https://dancingwithnoah.com/tag/brandon-clarke/

Zion actually measured a 1" advantage in standing reach over Clarke, but looking at this photo you'd think that Brandon clearly had an advantage of at least a few inches.

Someone tell Chinook not to read that article cause it’s going to cause him to go into depression and ruin his Thanksgiving. Lol.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1330991273482874880

[playblair]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1330991273482874880
training camp? da fook training camp doesnt star until oct 1

[ismael-robert]

Please say ur joking

[The Truth #6]

Please say ur joking

He’s obviously referring to 2021!

[Light]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1330991273482874880

That 33 for Jones looks weird af to me for some reason. I guess I've been spoiled by all of the single digit jerseys as of late.

[tonight...you]

That 33 for Jones looks weird af to me for some reason. I guess I've been spoiled by all of the single digit jerseys as of late.
But the 24 doesn't bother you?

[Light]

But the 24 doesn't bother you?

Not really.. I view Vassell as a SF. It's our guards, outside of Q, that have single digits. That's what made Tre's number stick out to me. Nothing major either way, just an observation.

[tonight...you]

Not really.. I view Vassell as a SF. It's our guards, outside of Q, that have single digits. That's what made Tre's number stick out to me. Nothing major either way, just an observation.
Right arm homie!

[timvp]

That 33 for Jones looks weird af to me for some reason. I guess I've been spoiled by all of the single digit jerseys as of late.

Worked pretty well for Antonio Daniels, tbh.

It is an odd number for a PG, though. I actually can't think of a point guard in the NBA who has worn #33 since Antonio Daniels.

[The Truth #6]

33 still reminds me of Cadillac Anderson.

[R. DeMurre]

It's pretty insane that the season starts in less than a month!

Could be a blessing in disguise if there's no G League and Pop feels more compelled to give Vassell minutes.

[XDT76]

That 33 for Jones looks weird af to me for some reason. I guess I've been spoiled by all of the single digit jerseys as of late.

We are short of a #2, else we can run out a line up of #1 to #5.

[bdictjames]

Didn't Richard Jefferson wear #24? I'm not sure if he did.. for the Spurs. Interesting number choice.

[pookenstein]

Yeah, RJ had the 24. Hopefully we'll have some more pleasant memories connected to that number soon.

[Rummpd]

So much unwarranted optimism on this thread while fact FO failed again and kept Spurs mediocre instead of taking a chance. Nothing to see here.

[K...]

So much unwarranted optimism on this thread while fact FO failed again and kept Spurs mediocre instead of taking a chance. Nothing to see here.

The stakes are mediocre, maybe get they get to the play in (fun) or bottom out and commit To youth and get another lottery pick (fun,)

It's honestly the best time to be a spurs fan because the stakes are so low.

[hombre]

So much unwarranted optimism on this thread while fact FO failed again and kept Spurs mediocre instead of taking a chance. Nothing to see here.

Cheer up, we got rid of Forbes, take the win.

[Rummpd]

Cheer up, we got rid of Forbes, take the win.

This is the salient truth in a sea of mediocrity

[BacktoBasics]

So much unwarranted optimism on this thread while fact FO failed again and kept Spurs mediocre instead of taking a chance. Nothing to see here.

Do you know specifically if anything that was on the table? Confirmed offers that is.

I’m definitely disappointed and really wanted to see something happen but it doesn’t make sense to move that much money for nothing.

Let’s say either of our two highest players were only bringing back mediocre role players, bad contracts(which we know wouldn’t be an upgrade of talent) or a late 1st round pic partnered with bad contracts.

Those 3 things aren’t better than simply letting them play out the year and losing them.

A late first with bad contracts isn’t worth it.

Bad contracts with lessor talent tethers us to more stagnant years.

Even a decent role player or group of decent role players isn’t worth it because you’re not moving the needle. They’ll soak up time from our youth and again saddle us with less leverage moving forward.

It sucks but making a bad move simply to make a move is stupid and the exact kind of thing that keeps crappy teams crappy.

[Seventyniner]

We are short of a #2, else we can run out a line up of #1 to #5.

The easiest path to that would be Poeltl changing to #2. The others are all guards and wings.

[BackHome]

Do you know specifically if anything that was on the table? Confirmed offers that is.

I’m definitely disappointed and really wanted to see something happen but it doesn’t make sense to move that much money for nothing.

Let’s say either of our two highest players were only bringing back mediocre role players, bad contracts(which we know wouldn’t be an upgrade of talent) or a late 1st round pic partnered with bad contracts.

Those 3 things aren’t better than simply letting them play out the year and losing them.

A late first with bad contracts isn’t worth it.

Bad contracts with lessor talent tethers us to more stagnant years.

Even a decent role player or group of decent role players isn’t worth it because you’re not moving the needle. They’ll soak up time from our youth and again saddle us with less leverage moving forward.

It sucks but making a bad move simply to make a move is stupid and the exact kind of thing that keeps crappy teams crappy.

Agree which is why maybe the Spurs didn’t do any deals as of yet. I am still crossing my fingers that a team will see a legit chance of winning and work out a trade that helps both teams meaning we might take a one year bad contract but get a potential mid range fist pick - I am looking at teams that have 2 first round picks in 2021. Also, maybe a second rounder for Gay or Mills and taking back someone we can release after season.

[tbdog]

The easiest path to that would be Poeltl changing to #2. The others are all guards and wings.

2 is a SG

[Seventyniner]

https://img.beckett.com/images/items/16061049/marketplace/95466223/back.jpg

tbh

[GAustex]

Jaren Jackson was 2 I think

[timtonymanu]

Jaren Jackson was 2 I think

Garrett Temple when he was with the Spurs

[hombre]

I thought he and Rosho were more than acceptable spliting time at Center alongside Tim(even giving tim a breather at times)

23-7 as a starter that second year and Rasho was like 39-12ish.... team won 66 games and I though Poop horribly misused them in the playoffs. 8 DNPs between the duo against Dal..... not their faults....Should have repeated they were good against the pistion the year before.....

When you consider that their replacement was Mahimi, Kurt Thomas(luckly the next year they ran into young lebron) I think if you stick with the them Spurs 3peat and have an outside chance of a 4peat..... IMHO.. Fabricio was gonna be on the squad reguardless. Rasho Muhammad and Fabs.... good chance a 4peat.... oh welll

Hard to argue. I always liked Rasho, he played the team game to the sacrifice of his own.

That Kurt Thomas signing was a few years late.

[buttsR4rebounding]

So much unwarranted optimism on this thread while fact FO failed again and kept Spurs mediocre instead of taking a chance. Nothing to see here.

If you can’t have optimism now then when?

[buttsR4rebounding]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSstJSFFyVzP2Wfr1IOX41ilFwF2sJ_u VrC_6P0JSOA&s

Rich Jones #33 San Antonio Spurs all-star forward.

[RC_Drunkford]

I thought he and Rosho were more than acceptable spliting time at Center alongside Tim(even giving tim a breather at times)

23-7 as a starter that second year and Rasho was like 39-12ish.... team won 66 games and I though Poop horribly misused them in the playoffs. 8 DNPs between the duo against Dal..... not their faults....Should have repeated they were good against the pistion the year before.....

When you consider that their replacement was Mahimi, Kurt Thomas(luckly the next year they ran into young lebron) I think if you stick with the them Spurs 3peat and have an outside chance of a 4peat..... IMHO.. Fabricio was gonna be on the squad reguardless. Rasho Muhammad and Fabs.... good chance a 4peat.... oh welll

picking up Nazr was key to us winning a chip in 05. Looked like a minor thing, but that really put us over the top that year

[daslicer]

I thought he and Rosho were more than acceptable spliting time at Center alongside Tim(even giving tim a breather at times)

23-7 as a starter that second year and Rasho was like 39-12ish.... team won 66 games and I though Poop horribly misused them in the playoffs. 8 DNPs between the duo against Dal..... not their faults....Should have repeated they were good against the pistion the year before.....

When you consider that their replacement was Mahimi, Kurt Thomas(luckly the next year they ran into young lebron) I think if you stick with the them Spurs 3peat and have an outside chance of a 4peat..... IMHO.. Fabricio was gonna be on the squad reguardless. Rasho Muhammad and Fabs.... good chance a 4peat.... oh welll

I'm still pissed off at the Pop playing stupid small ball against the Mavs in '06. I have watched some highlight videos of Dirk from that series recently and came to the conclusion that Dirk was going to get his regardless of who was guarding him but it was still better for him to light up Nazr,Rasho instead of Bowen,Finley. In that scenario the Mavs at least can't get offensive rebounds and second chance points like they were doing when the Spurs went small. Does second chance points were killers.

[Leetonidas]

I thought he and Rosho were more than acceptable spliting time at Center alongside Tim(even giving tim a breather at times)

23-7 as a starter that second year and Rasho was like 39-12ish.... team won 66 games and I though Poop horribly misused them in the playoffs. 8 DNPs between the duo against Dal..... not their faults....Should have repeated they were good against the pistion the year before.....

When you consider that their replacement was Mahimi, Kurt Thomas(luckly the next year they ran into young lebron) I think if you stick with the them Spurs 3peat and have an outside chance of a 4peat..... IMHO.. Fabricio was gonna be on the squad reguardless. Rasho Muhammad and Fabs.... good chance a 4peat.... oh welll

2006 Spurs were a 63 win team iirc....

[KayBee]

Right after this picture was taken, I bet Nazr dropped the ball out of bounds.

[spurs10]

The easiest path to that would be Poeltl changing to #2. The others are all guards and wings. Do you mean 4 as a power forward?

[gambit1990]

Right after this picture was taken, I bet Nazr dropped the ball out of bounds.
:lol

[GAustex]

Nazr had better hands than Ayers

[gambit1990]

Nazr had better hands than Ayers
oh, for sure.

[Seventyniner]

Do you mean 4 as a power forward?

No, just jersey number. A jersey number 1/2/3/4/5 lineup could make some sense with the positions as White/Murray/Walker/Johnson/Poeltl from PG-C for example.

I used Nazr Mohammed as an example that a Spurs center can wear #2, even though it's an uncommon number for a big.

[BWS-1994]

Just read about Danny Ainge being greedy and demanded more out of the Indiana proposes Turner, Mcdermott, 1st for Hayward. Apparently, he tried looking for another team to take on Turner instead. Is Turner that bad that no other team took him? Was hoping that Spurs got in to that, but it must say something else if all the other teams weren’t interested.

[Degoat]

Just read about Danny Ainge being greedy and demanded more out of the Indiana proposes Turner, Mcdermott, 1st for Hayward. Apparently, he tried looking for another team to take on Turner instead. Is Turner that bad that no other team took him? Was hoping that Spurs got in to that, but it must say something else if all the other teams weren’t interested.

Turner imo would be the perfect big for the spurs, it was a small sample but him and DWhite showed some chemistry on team USA I thought. I think Ainge was just being a cunt like always

[spurspl]

Just read about Danny Ainge being greedy and demanded more out of the Indiana proposes Turner, Mcdermott, 1st for Hayward. Apparently, he tried looking for another team to take on Turner instead. Is Turner that bad that no other team took him? Was hoping that Spurs got in to that, but it must say something else if all the other teams weren’t interested.

that must be a fake rumor, i just cant believe anyone would refuse such an offer for hayward...

[toki9]

Just read about Danny Ainge being greedy and demanded more out of the Indiana proposes Turner, Mcdermott, 1st for Hayward. Apparently, he tried looking for another team to take on Turner instead. Is Turner that bad that no other team took him? Was hoping that Spurs got in to that, but it must say something else if all the other teams weren’t interested.

Apparently Turner has Uncle Dennis like people around him...they're just not as visible.

[Dex]

that must be a fake rumor, i just cant believe anyone would refuse such an offer for hayward...

Especially on a sign and trade.

Kinda kills your leverage if the main piece can just decide to, you know...not sign and go wherever the hell he wants.

[BatManu20]

1331991758012620802

[BWS-1994]

Especially on a sign and trade.

Kinda kills your leverage if the main piece can just decide to, you know...not sign and go wherever the hell he wants.

I think the leverage was Hayward wants to go home to Indy?

[exstatic]

i'm surprised the dwight howard market wasn't larger. i guess there's still lingering issues with his character / attïtude.

i mean, every team could've used him tbh. the clippers didn't even make an offer? or the nuggets? the rockets could've used him too :lol mavs could use size, so could the celtics, the raptors...
Character issues don’t go away. He played his role and behaved because there was a meeting with the LA coach and front office before he signed, and they made it perfectly clear that they were willing to cut his minimum contract ass if there were ANY issues at all. You’ll notice that even with no issues, the Lakers went a different direction in the off season.

[KobesAchilles]

Character issues don’t go away. He played his role and behaved because there was a meeting with the LA coach and front office before he signed, and they made it perfectly clear that they were willing to cut his minimum contract ass if there were ANY issues at all. You’ll notice that even with no issues, the Lakers went a different direction in the off season.
Dude has played for over 8 teams now :lol

[R. DeMurre]

1331991758012620802


Marco playing for Manu's old team!

[cd021]

that must be a fake rumor, i just cant believe anyone would refuse such an offer for hayward...
Zach Lowe and Bill Simmons both mentioned something to that extent. Boston actually turned that down.

[pookenstein]

Marco playing for Manu's old team!

Didn't they play there together for a season?

[Mr. Body]

:lol Ainge was supposed to preside over a multi-year dynasty with those Brooklyn picks and all he has is a hodgepodge team with a single pseudo-star in Tatum and barely anything else. And now Hayward is gone for nothing. I don't like Irving or Durant, but the Nets meanwhile are pretty loaded.

[gambit1990]

:lol Ainge
enough said tbh. i'm firing him if i'm the celtics.

[gambit1990]

ainge going after kyrie and hayward :td:td

that's jordan's job.

[R. DeMurre]

Didn't they play there together for a season?

Beli played in one game during Manu's last year! Manu was 22 and Beli was 16. Pretty amazing.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/teams/virtus-bologna/2002.html

[Seventyniner]

Beli played in one game during Manu's last year! Manu was 22 and Beli was 16. Pretty amazing.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/teams/virtus-bologna/2002.html

Wow. It would be pretty baller if Manu suited up for one game with Virtus Bologna this season to complete the symmetry, but he doesn't seem the type for such a publicity stunt.

[itzsoweezee]

No he wasn’t....JS. Him and weezeee or whatever he calls himself are clowns & attention whores. BTW weeziey, what you got on that offer I sent you?

What is the offer? I need some details. Probably doesn't matter. None of you broke scrubs will pay anyway

[itzsoweezee]

It is. And that means I can call you out on your bullshit. Dumbass.

Lol. I've lived through this team team during the JR Reid era. I can talk as much shit as I want, you lame.

[Dejounte]

Lol. I've lived through this team team during the JR Reid era. I can talk as much shit as I want, you lame.

That's sad that it makes you think that gives you any credibility, fuck face.

[Atl Spur]

What is the offer? I need some details. Probably doesn't matter. None of you broke scrubs will pay anyway

Lol..... cute! Just read the offer above my guy.

[spurs10]

No, just jersey number. A jersey number 1/2/3/4/5 lineup could make some sense with the positions as White/Murray/Walker/Johnson/Poeltl from PG-C for example.

I used Nazr Mohammed as an example that a Spurs center can wear #2, even though it's an uncommon number for a big. Gotcha.

[DJR210]

Dude has played for over 8 teams now :lol

There is no way in hell he is gonna mesh with Embiid.. both are gonna want to be the funny guy. Can't see it working.

[daslicer]

:lol Ainge was supposed to preside over a multi-year dynasty with those Brooklyn picks and all he has is a hodgepodge team with a single pseudo-star in Tatum and barely anything else. And now Hayward is gone for nothing. I don't like Irving or Durant, but the Nets meanwhile are pretty loaded.

Sometimes I wonder what's the point of overloading on picks. It will be interesting to see if OKC ever gets a superstar with one of the million picks they have.

[KobesAchilles]

Sometimes I wonder what's the point of overloading on picks. It will be interesting to see if OKC ever gets a superstar with one of the million picks they have.
To be fair to Ainge he did use his picks to get “superstars” but they just sucked :lol

[daslicer]

To be fair to Ainge he did use his picks to get “superstars” but they just sucked :lol

What superstars did he get?

[KobesAchilles]

What superstars did he get?
Kyrie and Hayward. Keep in mind I did use quotations:lol
I know they signed Hayward but that was only possible bc of all the cheap contracts he had on his team due to the picks.

[daslicer]

Kyrie and Hayward. Keep in mind I did use quotations:lol
I know they signed Hayward but that was only possible bc of all the cheap contracts he had on his team due to the picks.

Hayward is definitely not. Kyrie when healthy at best you can say he's top 10 and I would say at the bottom. With that being said he still lost Kyrie.

[gambit1990]

spurs get: mike conley and rudy gobert
jazz get: demar, patty, lyles, 2021 1st round pick, 2022 2nd round pick

[XDT76]

spurs get: mike conley and rudy gobert
jazz get: demar, patty, lyles, 2021 1st round pick, 2022 2nd round pick

We pay $10M in luxury tax to give away 2021 1st round pick, stun 2 of our most mature young players mins and also virtually no PF?

[Prime BEEF]

spurs get: mike conley and rudy gobert
jazz get: demar, patty, lyles, 2021 1st round pick, 2022 2nd round pick

Don’t think you have to include draft picks to get Gobert. You could do...

DDR/Murray/Mills/Lyles for Gobert/Conley

PG-White/Conley/Jones
SG-Walker/Spoon
SF-KJ/Vassell
PF-LMA/Gay
C-Gobert/Poetl

Young guys get more playing time. Keep draft picks. And would have $73M expiring after next season between Conley, LMA and Gay. I’m sure it would be somewhat enticing to the freak to potentially play along side Gobert. It’s a long shot but a better one.

[Seventyniner]

Don’t think you have to include draft picks to get Gobert. You could do...

DDR/Murray/Mills/Lyles for Gobert/Conley

PG-White/Conley/Jones
SG-Walker/Spoon
SF-KJ/Vassell
PF-LMA/Gay
C-Gobert/Poetl

Young guys get more playing time. Keep draft picks. And would have $73M expiring after next season between Conley, LMA and Gay. I’m sure it would be somewhat enticing to the freak to potentially play along side Gobert. It’s a long shot but a better one.

I don't know, this seems like a downgrade for the Jazz. The Spurs would be getting the best player in the deal. The only sweetener in there is Murray because all the other players are on expiring deals. I could see it happening if the Jazz really want to move on from Gobert, but they might want LMA instead of DDR.

That might be for the best anyway. Gobert is basically a billionaire's Poeltl, and while it would be nice to get 48 minutes available out of that role, Poeltl clearly signed his contract with the expectation of eventually starting. The Spurs would probably need to deal him away at some point and might not get much back due to being motivated sellers.

[Chinook]

I don't know, this seems like a downgrade for the Jazz. The Spurs would be getting the best player in the deal. The only sweetener in there is Murray because all the other players are on expiring deals. I could see it happening if the Jazz really want to move on from Gobert, but they might want LMA instead of DDR.

That might be for the best anyway. Gobert is basically a billionaire's Poeltl, and while it would be nice to get 48 minutes available out of that role, Poeltl clearly signed his contract with the expectation of eventually starting. The Spurs would probably need to deal him away at some point and might not get much back due to being motivated sellers.

Yeah, a better structure for the deal would be Murray and Poeltl (and sweeteners) for Gobert. Then they could deal Aldridge in a separate trade to replenish their roster spots. If they can do that while avoiding taking back long-term money, they'd even be able to keep a max slot for next summer. If White breaks out and SA manages to sign a star forward, they could be looking at

White
Vassell
Johnson
(Star forward)
Gobert

Not even a little likely, but that's an interesting team, and I think it's more realistic to hope that wins a title than anything they'd do in the draft.

[gambit1990]

That’s the shittiest trade I have ever seenmike conley isn't dead.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUTu7mzZtpU


I don't know, this seems like a downgrade for the Jazz.
that's why i included picks.


Yeah, a better structure for the deal would be Murray and Poeltl (and sweeteners) for Gobert.
poeltl was a part of my original idea but he can't be traded for a few months.

[gambit1990]

conley and gobert both have one year left of their deals.

let la's last year be a good one. he'll thrive alongside gobert.

with conley and gobert you could then potentially trade murray, poeltl, eubanks for a 3&D.

[gambit1990]

https://i.imgur.com/ahDmctJ.png

westbrook / white / tucker / la /gobert :lobt2:

[Mr. Body]

https://i.imgur.com/ahDmctJ.png

westbrook / white / tucker / la /gobert :lobt2:

Lol, WTF do people want Westbrook?

[GAustex]

I just don’t see LMA as a PF anymore

[Shakril]

I see that some are still desperate to trade Poeltl away, but he cant be traded for a year, cause he was an Restricted Free Agent. So none of those Trade scenarios above can happen.

[gambit1990]

I just don’t see LMA as a PF anymore
it's all about the pairing tbh.

i wouldn't want the spurs to start la and marc gasol. an la and jokic frontcourt would be too slow.

but la and gobert would work fine. la can shoot more 3s, gobert can bust his ass defensively.

let la score and let gobert do all the dirty work.

[BackHome]

Yep, and I would rather keep Poodle then trade for Westbrook that guy just does not understand team basketball and never saw a shot he didn't want to take.

[twilo73]

If we want to conserve our cap space in 2021 and want to give minutes to the kids the only trade I see doable is trading LMA to Boston given that they got a huge trade exemption with the Hayward trade. We take a lottery protected 1st rounder in either 2021 or 2022. That's it. No more players no more picks.

Boston would really benefit from this. A core of Walker, Brown, Tatum and LMA would be very strong this year. And next year if Boston wishes they can just let Aldridge walk.

Am I getting the use of the trade exemption correctly? Can Boston take on that salary without sending any player out?

[TD 21]

Aldridge isn't blocking "the kids" (Poeltl might not like it, but it won't kill him to play roughly 1/3 a game for 72 more games) and if he sticks to being more of a stretch five like he did last season, he should enhance them by opening driving lanes.

[rankingtear]

If we want to conserve our cap space in 2021 and want to give minutes to the kids the only trade I see doable is trading LMA to Boston given that they got a huge trade exemption with the Hayward trade. We take a lottery protected 1st rounder in either 2021 or 2022. That's it. No more players no more picks.

Boston would really benefit from this. A core of Walker, Brown, Tatum and LMA would be very strong this year. And next year if Boston wishes they can just let Aldridge walk.

Am I getting the use of the trade exemption correctly? Can Boston take on that salary without sending any player out?

No. BOS Hard Capped from using MLE, 22 mil most they can absorb.

[twilo73]

No. BOS Hard Capped from using MLE, 22 mil most they can absorb.

got it thanks

[twilo73]

Aldridge isn't blocking "the kids" (Poeltl might not like it, but it won't kill him to play roughly 1/3 a game for 72 more games) and if he sticks to being more of a stretch five like he did last season, he should enhance them by opening driving lanes.

great point but was thinking that boston needs LMA more than DMD. We could always play DM as our 4 like we did in the bubble. Plus Samanic also needs minutes to develop.

Look if it was up to me I would trade 2 of our 4 veterans and tank. Truly believe we need to develop our next core and they need minutes. Plus next years draft is stacked.

So trying to find ways to offload some of these guys and still retain cap space for next year. After flurry of FA signings and trades we are left with very few good options.

[BackHome]

Damn LMA salary is 24 million and Boston has only 22 million in trade exception does a mid year trade change the money amount? You know Boston if getting LMA even if it’s a one year rental could have legitimate chance of going to finals and maybe win KY has shown it’s worth a one year rental if you can get to finals.

[twilo73]

Bleacher Report (I know they suck) latest power rankings expresses exactly how I feel.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2919967-nba-power-rankings-post-free-agency

"The San Antonio Spurs seem content to remain in NBA purgatory, keeping both DeMar DeRozan and LaMarcus Aldridge to avoid a rebuild and failing to add any veteran outside help to try starting a new playoff streak.

Devin Vassell was a terrific pickup after he fell to No. 11 overall, but he may start the year buried on the depth chart with so many guards and wings, led by DeRozan, in front of him.

San Antonio will forever play hard, but a 24th-ranked defense wasn't addressed in free agency. The Spurs need to embrace a rebuild and seek new homes for both DeRozan and Aldridge before they become free agents next summer.

With the Phoenix Suns and New Orleans Pelicans both fighting for the eighth seed and the Golden State Warriors getting a healthy Stephen Curry back, the Spurs will miss the playoffs for the second straight year."

It's that NBA purgatory that I hate. You either are in or out not lets see if we can get that 8th seed and miss out on better draft capital.

[Prime BEEF]

Bleacher Report (I know they suck) latest power rankings expresses exactly how I feel.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2919967-nba-power-rankings-post-free-agency

"The San Antonio Spurs seem content to remain in NBA purgatory, keeping both DeMar DeRozan and LaMarcus Aldridge to avoid a rebuild and failing to add any veteran outside help to try starting a new playoff streak.

Devin Vassell was a terrific pickup after he fell to No. 11 overall, but he may start the year buried on the depth chart with so many guards and wings, led by DeRozan, in front of him.

San Antonio will forever play hard, but a 24th-ranked defense wasn't addressed in free agency. The Spurs need to embrace a rebuild and seek new homes for both DeRozan and Aldridge before they become free agents next summer.

With the Phoenix Suns and New Orleans Pelicans both fighting for the eighth seed and the Golden State Warriors getting a healthy Stephen Curry back, the Spurs will miss the playoffs for the second straight year."

It's that NBA purgatory that I hate. You either are in or out not lets see if we can get that 8th seed and miss out on better draft capital.
Pretty good assessment

[Chinook]

It's a poor assessment to argue SA didn't address their defense. All of their departures were bad defenders and all of their additions are good defenders. They look to be improved on that end. The team is also not in purgatory, because they don't have assets and cap space committed to the team. If they were capped out on long-term deals and had traded away a bunch of picks to be an eighth-seed, that's worthy of scorn. Then doing it while playing young players and having oodles of cap space is just fine. They're farther from purgatory than any of those teams BR mentions as being better positioned.

[Degoat]

It’s tough to say, the main problem last season was Marco Belly & Forbes getting so many minutes, if Lonnie and Keldon take those minutes and all the young guys keep improving the spurs absolutely could make the playoffs imo... now I could see the spurs selling their vets at the trade deadline but who knows.

[JuneJive]

Defense is what I'm most looking forward to.

Starved to see, actually.

[mo7888]

great point but was thinking that boston needs LMA more than DMD. We could always play DM as our 4 like we did in the bubble. Plus Samanic also needs minutes to develop.

Look if it was up to me I would trade 2 of our 4 veterans and tank. Truly believe we need to develop our next core and they need minutes. Plus next years draft is stacked.

So trying to find ways to offload some of these guys and still retain cap space for next year. After flurry of FA signings and trades we are left with very few good options.

I'm for trading 2 of the 4 vets as well but, I don't think that's necessarily tanking. I don't think it effects our record very much (assuming that no more than one of the vets is lma or ddr)

[Dejounte]

Bleacher report is being paid by Nephew if yall havent noticed.

When Nephew left, thats when they started showing him off like crazy

[twilo73]

It's a poor assessment to argue SA didn't address their defense. All of their departures were bad defenders and all of their additions are good defenders. They look to be improved on that end. The team is also not in purgatory, because they don't have assets and cap space committed to the team. If they were capped out on long-term deals and had traded away a bunch of picks to be an eighth-seed, that's worthy of scorn. Then doing it while playing young players and having oodles of cap space is just fine. They're farther from purgatory than any of those teams BR mentions as being better positioned.

Respectfully disagree. You make a good point on defense, but playing the vets knowing they aren't going to be here long term and knowing that there are at least 10-11 teams that on paper are in theory better than you is purgatory to me. Certainly isn't embracing a rebuild. Even if just miss or make the play offs the opportunity cost of not developing the kids is greater. Even for our cap space next year. FA will be more attracted to a team with 3-4 players with bright futures than two or three vets who are on the way down.

Having said all of this I don't think the FO is trying to screw with us. Most likely scenario was that they didn't have any good offers for LMA and DMD. They just aren't as attractive to other teams or we didn't want to take on guaranteed contracts for 2021. Thats why I'm big on trying to work out something with Boston.

Third and nuclear option which I just don't see Pop doing is keeping all the vets and slash their playing time. Make DM a second unit guy and start KJ for example. Buy that's not in Pop's DNA.

[BackHome]

Yeah no way in Hell is Pop going to sit LMA or DEROZZ as both are in contract year and hell we might end up offering DEROZZ a contract after this season crazier things have happened.

The big issue is if we are off to a good start and an offer comes do we take it or decide to run and make a playoff bush. I said it before but with all these young guys Pop is going to be a mad scientist as usual in the beginning of season so our record won’t be good and then will probably be shut down for COVID and another bubble playoff which hopefully puts us with a draft pick 6 to 10.

[Chinook]

Respectfully disagree. You make a good point on defense, but playing the vets knowing they aren't going to be here long term and knowing that there are at least 10-11 teams that on paper are in theory better than you is purgatory to me. Certainly isn't embracing a rebuild. Even if just miss or make the play offs the opportunity cost of not developing the kids is greater. Even for our cap space next year. FA will be more attracted to a team with 3-4 players with bright futures than two or three vets who are on the way down.

Having said all of this I don't think the FO is trying to screw with us. Most likely scenario was that they didn't have any good offers for LMA and DMD. They just aren't as attractive to other teams or we didn't want to take on guaranteed contracts for 2021. Thats why I'm big on trying to work out something with Boston.

Third and nuclear option which I just don't see Pop doing is keeping all the vets and slash their playing time. Make DM a second unit guy and start KJ for example. Buy that's not in Pop's DNA.

The young players are developing just fine though. The rotation next year should be

PG: Young Player (YP), Vet (V)
SG: YP, YP
SF: V, YP
PF: YP, V
C: V, YP

That's a lot of spots where young guys get minutes. As far as having no vets, someone should point out evidence of throwing guys into the fire actually being better for their development. I think when you look around at the best players in the league most of the ones who didn't grow up around vets are mentally weak and entitled. Most of the top players had guys who played at their position who competed with and helped mentor them. I don't know why people are dreaming of being Sacramento where you're overpaying young guys because you can't afford to let them go. But I can't support that.

[TD 21]

great point but was thinking that boston needs LMA more than DMD. We could always play DM as our 4 like we did in the bubble. Plus Samanic also needs minutes to develop.

Look if it was up to me I would trade 2 of our 4 veterans and tank. Truly believe we need to develop our next core and they need minutes. Plus next years draft is stacked.

So trying to find ways to offload some of these guys and still retain cap space for next year. After flurry of FA signings and trades we are left with very few good options.

They do, but I wouldn't read too much into an 8 game sample size in a unique format. DeRozan as a nominal four is fine during the guts of a game as matchups dictate, but in terms of starting, unless they're otherworldly offensively, you need to at least be capable of physically guarding your position or else you get Forbes redux.

Samanic was always likely at least 2 years away from pushing for a rotation spot and doesn't play the same position as Aldridge.

Like Chinook said, the youth will be playing more by default. I wouldn't hold my breath on a Aldridge/DeRozan trade until next off season, when they can be signed and traded.

[gambit1990]

lol, the spurs are 100% in nba purgatory.

better than last year? yeah. but both "stars" are in decline and this is a team that no one has really high hopes for.

[gambit1990]

spurs aren't a clear playoff team and aren't a clear high draft pick team. literal purgatory.

[Chinook]

lol, the spurs are 100% in nba purgatory.

better than last year? yeah. but both "stars" are in decline and this is a team that no one has really high hopes for.

It's hard to call something purgatory when they aren't stuck there. The term for that is "transition", and that's way more apt for SA than "purgatory" is.