WhiteWatch 2020

[Chinook]

Calm down ducks. This isn't the thread you were hoping for.


So Fred Van Vleet just got a $85M/3+P deal. That feels to be right around the contract White will get if he had a good year next year. Should the Spurs offer that on an extension. Well here's how the deal would break down with max raises:



2021-2022
$18,973,213


2022-2023
$20,491,071


2023-2024
$22,008,929


2024-2025
$23,526,787




With that, the other signings from this year (including Vassell) and assuming SA gets the 15th pick in the draft next summer, the team is just under $70 Million in salaries for 21-22. The cap for that year is locked into being between $112 Million and $119 Million, meaning SA would have about $42M to $49M in cap space.

White's hold is about $8.5 Million lower than his starting salary would be on that extension. So max, the Spurs could have about $58 Million in cap space to work with next summer. Is that extra bit worth risking White explodes and gets even more money? Is that contract too rich for a guy who's actually been pretty inconsistent over the course of his career? Can the Spurs lock him into a lower deal? Who's will watch the Mermalair?

[talkspurs]

I think it is to much. Van fleet is quite a bit better then white. I would think his deal would be close to what Murray got. Their stats re very similar add in that White is slightly older then him and the change in market (although you cant tell by most of these deals).

[Dejounte]

Yes, lock him up. Paying White no more than $25 mil a year will allow us to keep cap space for a max player next offseason. Not saying to pay him $25 mil, if you can negotiate lower then that's gravy.

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Calm down ducks. This isn't the thread you were hoping for.




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[EasyMoney]

DJ got 64
Brogdon got 80
Vleet got 85

White is getting 70-80

[R. DeMurre]

:lol

[Dejounte]

DJ got 64
Brogdon got 80
Vleet got 85

White is getting 70-80

It's important to include the number of years here lol

[FkLA]

I think it is to much. Van fleet is quite a bit better then white. I would think his deal would be close to what Murray got. Their stats re very similar add in that White is slightly older then him and the change in market (although you cant tell by most of these deals).

FVV is not better than White, bro.

[exstatic]

If they don’t lock him up on an extension, he’s going to be their big FA signing next summer. He’s going to beast this year, and there are SO many teams with room, that someone is going to throw a big offer sheet at him.

[exstatic]

FVV is not better than White, bro.

This. FVV is a younger Patty, nothing more.

[Dejounte]

This. FVV is a younger Patty, nothing more.


https://youtu.be/wI9A28Ic3ms

Never forget.

[Robz4000]

If they don’t lock him up on an extension, he’s going to be their big FA signing next summer. He’s going to beast this year, and there are SO many teams with room, that someone is going to throw a big offer sheet at him.

This.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If they can get him to sign for less than 4/70 I’d be happy if they do it now. I think he’d gladly take it. Won’t mess up the cap situation next summer since it’s not too much above his cap hold. If he wants more he’ll have to prove he’s worth it.

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This. FVV is a younger Patty, nothing more.

If that. And we got Patty for $35M less. FVV got a championship contract that's going to kill their flexibility down the road.

[slick'81]

This. FVV is a younger Patty, nothing more.

:lol Patty never averaged 18/6/2 . Im not saying fred is better then white but patty mills fucking sucks

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:lol Patty never averaged 18/6/2 . Im not saying fred is better then white but patty mills fucking sucks

Their career per 36 aren't far off. Mills is a better scorer. FVV is a slightly better rebounder and a marginally better assister. Not worth $35M over 4 years more for damn sure.

Mills contract has not been bad to date,, despite the shit given to it on this board. This year will be an overpay based on MP however.

[cjw]

FVV is better than Patty, but there are roles you pay a premium for and ones you don’t. That role is one you save money on, just like center (unless you have an All NBA guy). Better to have a worse player there but cap space to spread elsewhere.

This is different than the Kawhi situation in 2014-15 when not signing him led to having the room to sign Aldridge (and drafting a guy who never would come over helped create room). They will still have room for any one FA so will be nimble enough to pursue anyone without having to salary dump. Difference between his hold and likely salary is something, but not THAT big.

I’m fine extending him now, especially if it means saving on the next contract.

[cjw]

I only see him as an asset to be traded for more future assests because
A. He is at his ceiling
B. That ceiling isn't a player you build a franchise around.....

If the spurs can sign and trade him now for picks and an Expiring, DO IT!!!!

If they can't lets see what the market offers in the Future....

You literally cannot sign and trade him right now.

And if you were to trade him later in the year after extending him, it’s very hard to make the numbers work because of BYC.

[Mugen]

Calm down ducks (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=13). This isn't the thread you were hoping for.


So Fred Van Vleet just got a $85M/3+P deal. That feels to be right around the contract White will get if he had a good year next year. Should the Spurs offer that on an extension. Well here's how the deal would break down with max raises:



2021-2022
$18,973,213


2022-2023
$20,491,071


2023-2024
$22,008,929


2024-2025
$23,526,787




With that, the other signings from this year (including Vassell) and assuming SA gets the 15th pick in the draft next summer, the team is just under $70 Million in salaries for 21-22. The cap for that year is locked into being between $112 Million and $119 Million, meaning SA would have about $42M to $49M in cap space.

White's hold is about $8.5 Million lower than his starting salary would be on that extension. So max, the Spurs could have about $58 Million in cap space to work with next summer. Is that extra bit worth risking White explodes and gets even more money? Is that contract too rich for a guy who's actually been pretty inconsistent over the course of his career? Can the Spurs lock him into a lower deal? Who's will watch the Mermalair?

Crofl

[r0drig0lac]

FVV is 10x better than Patty fixed, lol PER36 take

[exstatic]

People on this site would HATE FVV if he were a Spur.

[ZeusWillJudge]

First, how about you say whether FVV's contract is too high, or just about right?

Second, VanVleet has consistently shot somewhere in the neighborhood of 50% more 3's on each season. And made higher percentage of them than White. That's a hot commodity in the New NBA. So why wouldn't White command the same money?

And third, White has been utterly mis-used, and still put up the numbers he has. FVV got to run with the ponies. With that, plus all the BRI/cap issues right now, predicting who will get paid what is more of a dart throw than a science. White gives me the impression he might agree to a reasonable contract, rather than test the waters of the open market - if he's treated right.


l.

[ZeusWillJudge]

People on this site would HATE FVV if he were a Spur.


I wouldn't. I called for the Spurs to sign him the moment the draft was over and his name hadn't been called. I wouldn't want him at an unreasonable price. But I sure as hell wouldn't hate having him on this roster.

[RC_Drunkford]

Need me a white watch

[TimDunkem]

Always appreciate a dig at that pedo racist ducks.

[cjw]

You miss understood the phrase "if they could.....Do it"... Are you one of the foreigners and English is not your native language. How do you misinterpret "if they could....DO it!!!"

If you are a foreigner it was used to emphasis how much I think they should sign white to trade him later....

That’s literally not what you said “If the spurs can sign and trade him now for picks and an Expiring, DO IT!!!!”

That means “let’s see if you can sign him and trade him”. If you mean what you say you did, you should have said “I know they can’t sign and trade him, but they should explore trade options.”

Can & could have different meanings.

[DPG21920]

If they can get him to sign for less than 4/70 I’d be happy if they do it now. I think he’d gladly take it. Won’t mess up the cap situation next summer since it’s not too much above his cap hold. If he wants more he’ll have to prove he’s worth it.

I agree with you 100%. I would def push (especially with Jakob deal) to get value now. If not ok not worse case since Sa can have more space that way even if it means paying him more. The value is do it now and I think DJM deal gets it done.

[ismael-robert]

Original thread for white extension

[venitian navigator]

The ideal, like most of other posters wrote, would be a friendly contract...that, imho, has more than one chance to be given and accepted.
White is a team player, not a big time guy able to create the shot by himself like, for example, DDR is. White is no all star and has no all star phisical skills but instead is a perfect example of a brain player, with good body skills, becoming important when his game is correctly developed and used.
The line should be quite like DJM contract received, so comparable but just slighly better. The reason is that a) while extremely important for our team (and maybe actually being, all things considered, the most important player) White has never accomplished till now any nba goal (except being choose by Pop for USA team) while DJM was a second all nba defensive player before he signed then deal; b) White takes with him also an evidence of being not phisically strong enough to be considered a totally reliable player...in few words, while his role is big on the team (a lot bigger and more important than Murray's one, because he's been the real ball manager, with DDR, for our team), he's often injured (lets hope that in future will be just for minor injuries, like its been till now) so consequently his number of games and minutes played probably need to not be over the 30 per game just to save his body (lets remember that a good part of his defensive game is the good, but risky, tendence to use his body on defensive ways, gaining offensive fouls).
The best contract imho? something just slighly better than DJM (for leadership reasons, considering he's gonna be with DDR our real point guard/forward, managing the ball).
My number would be 16,5 per year (Murray is 16). So a 66 millions for four years...quite the same amount, if I remember well, of what Tony Parker received some years ago...

[Spurtacular]

Calm down ducks (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=13). This isn't the thread you were hoping for.

Maybe it should've been, tbh. Better than overpaying some role player.

[talkspurs]

One thing to remember is DJm has a lot of incentives in the deal. His deal also was signed when the league was expected to get more money over the next few years and they are counting on him to improve. White is close to what he will be. Yes he is a good player but his numbers are very close to DJM this last season. from what I have seen DJM also beings with him leadership. It may not be ball handle leadership but vocal. I see the leaders of the team being him and KJ. KJ is the guy they everyone on the team seems to love to be around. they all seem to get along good but his energy rubs off on people on brings everyone together.

[The Truth #6]

White seems superior in almost every way. And his combine numbers were very good iirc. DJM is a player I mostly like but has less versatility so far unless he changes his approach and accepts a slightly different role, which I think he might. If he’s smart, he knows that he needs to learn how to play along with White.

[koriwhat]

White seems superior in almost every way. And his combine numbers were very good iirc. DJM is a player I mostly like but has less versatility so far unless he changes his approach and accepts a slightly different role, which I think he might. If he’s smart, he knows that he needs to learn how to play along with White.

DJM reminds me of a Michael Beasley... They're talented but they'd rather be famous/cool, which being in the NBA already does for them, on another level so bball comes 2nd to that. That's why they'll never live up to their potential; we already know Beasley didn't.

That contract they gave DJM was a big dud.

[TheGreatYacht]

This thread :lmao

Folks actually thought White > Van Vleet. From retards like exstatic who believe Poeltl and White are better than Adams and Brogdon it’s expected but, damn.. lots of shit takes.

0-3 since he came back. From beating the Celtics and Nuggets to getting cream pied by Dillon Brooks and Desmond Bane. Keldon and Vassell losing playing time. Worst of all, our bench has looked horrendous after being elite

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[LakerHater]

0-2 w White

[Darius Bieber]

0-2 w White

0-3 if you count the game he got reinjured in.

[LakerHater]

0-3 if you count the game he got reinjured in.

Nah, jus this come back

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

The losses weren't White's fault, but we do seem a little out sorts adjusting to his return.

He was easily the reason we were a better team in the bubble than we'd been all last year. Pop needs to figure out a good rotation that can maximize his strengths. I'd start him and Murray and let Walker come off the bench. It will probably take Pop all season to figure that one out, though, as he seems to have an issue starting Murray and White together.

[The Truth #6]

The losses weren't White's fault, but we do seem a little out sorts adjusting to his return.

He was easily the reason we were a better team in the bubble than we'd been all last year. Pop needs to figure out a good rotation that can maximize his strengths. I'd start him and Murray and let Walker come off the bench. It will probably take Pop all season to figure that one out, though, as he seems to have an issue starting Murray and White together.

I agree. And it's a confusing situation. IIRC, Memphis gave us fits even when White was out with an injury, so this could be simply a Memphis issue specifically, compounded by the team not getting motivated for what they seem to perceive as lessor opponents.

[rankingtear]

As is Spurstalk tradition once a player signs a big extension. White is overpaid trade him.

[TimDunkem]

He's fine, but like any other decent Spur he's overrated as hell by people here. He's a solid starter and nothing more. KJ has more potential.

[rankingtear]

Same as Hali, White can be the ideal modern shooting guard.

[John B]

The problem imo is trying to outscore the opponent instead of stopping them first. Inserting Mills every time to catch up is zero calories imo. What happened to Spurs mantra, defense? Keep pounding the rock!
Put the best defensive players, stop the bleeding and let defense creates offense.

[John B]

Would be great if the bench didn't have to bail out the fucking starters for once. :lol
Imo because the 2nd unit is less structured, free style offense, which Pop said he was gonna do at the start of the season. Bubble style had our young cores attacking, and after that, attack again. They were not scared. They just balled. This team is NOT the beautiful team of Manu, TP, Diaw, Tiago. It’s way too much for the young guys to get. They’re thinking too much out there. Just let them loose.

[BackHome]

John B to be honest will never see that type of talent and play in our lifetime just be glad you were alive to see it.

[John B]

John B to be honest will never see that type of talent and play in our lifetime just be glad you were alive to see it.
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