Trading LMA now or later, what is better?

[Shakril]

I believe, if the spurs really want to hop on the youth train, they should trade LMA away. I dont care what the Spurs get in return. LMA slows the game down, and simply does not fit. Lyles, Poeltl and Eubanks are quick on their feet and Mobilty so the up tempo play of the young guards, does not hurt them.

DDR showed me in the Bubble, he is capable of accepting a new role in this. Letting the young guys play, and than taking over in the fourth quarter.

So what is your opinion?

Giving LMA away for the sake of the team, or rather wait to get a something good in return?

[gambit1990]

demar should go first.

[gambit1990]

you don't trade LA for the same reason the spurs shouldn't have traded kawhi: let an injured player recover and show everyone what they have.

[tbdog]

What makes you think Eubanks fits better than LMA

[K...]

Derozan opted in, he won't be traded out of loyalty and the odds that he will be resigned are not zero, whereas LMA has indicated he wants to move on. Derozan will probably get a spurs offer, but look for big $$ elsewhere. Derozan fits roughly with the guards as a mentor whereas LMA isn't much like samanic.

[Mr. Body]

Once the season starts, teams will see where they are in the pecking order and whether they can get a boost.

[daslicer]

you don't trade LA for the same reason the spurs shouldn't have traded kawhi: let an injured player recover and show everyone what they have.

This you have to inflate LMA's stats from the start of the season and wait a good 10-20 games before teams get interested. There is going to be some teams that will get desperate as the season progresses and when that happens the Spurs should pounce on it.

[offset formation]

Homer. LMA cockblocking your boy from PT?

You know who doesn't "fit?" An NBA player that can't hit shit beyond 6 feet from the basket. It's fucking 2020. Tell ya boy to start working on his free throws. You know who hits more than 50% of them? LMA for starters. Then the rest of the team and the league, save like 7 others.

Sorry, LMA is undeniably the better player, from top to bottom, offensively and defensively, taken as a whole.

Lol@ giving away LMA. He's a fucking HOF possibility and still producing at a high level and you want to give him away?

The fuck outta here.

[Dejounte]

This thread gave birth to LMA vs Poetl discussions. Congrats

[The Truth #6]

This you have to inflate LMA's stats from the start of the season and wait a good 10-20 games before teams get interested. There is going to be some teams that will get desperate as the season progresses and when that happens the Spurs should pounce on it.

True. But I will still find it maddening if we further sacrifice the progress of our young core so he can get more touches. That will actually lower his value. Teams want to see if he can fit a role of play defense and hit 3s. That’s all we want too.

[daslicer]

True. But I will still find it maddening if we further sacrifice the progress of our young core so he can get more touches. That will actually lower his value. Teams want to see if he can fit a role of play defense and hit 3s. That’s all we want too.

His 3 point shooting was high last year at 38 percent. His defense has always been pretty good for the time that he's been a Spur. It really comes down to these teams being scared off due to his age. He just has to come in shape and show he can still play at the level he's been playing at the last few years.

[The Truth #6]

His 3 point shooting was high last year at 38 percent. His defense has always been pretty good for the time that he's been a Spur. It really comes down to these teams being scared off due to his age. He just has to come in shape and show he can still play at the level he's been playing at the last few years.

Age and injuries would be a concern, I agree. But I believe teams also want to know that he can accept a reduced role and not be a distraction.

To clarify, a team that is in contention but needs to shore up a few weaknesses, is not looking for Lamarcus to come on the team and take over or disrupt what they already have successfully going.

[Shakril]

What makes you think Eubanks fits better than LMA

As i mentioned, the young guards like to play with a higher pace. That does not work with LMA on the court. And as the Spurs are clearly rebuilding, it does not make sense much to hold onto LMA.

Poeltl and Eubanks showed in the Bubble they work well together with the young core, and both played very well in the bubble. Its about Fit not Skill at this point.

The Point is, are the Spurs trying to get something for LMA or is it addition by subtraction.


offset formation: I know you hate Poeltl for unknown reason, but at least pretend to have some knowledge about TEAM Basketball before you post. Thanks in advance.

Dejounte: Its about fit, nothing else. If peopel are making it a LMA vs Poeltl Discussion, they are missing the point like offset Formation.

[rankingtear]

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It is hard to see the value of Poeltl if you don't dive deeper.

[tbdog]

As i mentioned, the young guards like to play with a higher pace. That does not work with LMA on the court. And as the Spurs are clearly rebuilding, it does not make sense much to hold onto LMA.

Poeltl and Eubanks showed in the Bubble they work well together with the young core, and both played very well in the bubble. Its about Fit not Skill at this point.

The Point is, are the Spurs trying to get something for LMA or is it addition by subtraction.

offset formation (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49710): I know you hate Poeltl for unknown reason, but at least pretend to have some knowledge about TEAM Basketball before you post. Thanks in advance.

Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342): Its about fit, nothing else. If peopel are making it a LMA vs Poeltl Discussion, they are missing the point like offset Formation.

LMA could play just as fast as Poeltl at Poeltl minutes. But don't expect LMA to do that over 30 mins per game. And don't expect Poeltl to stay on the court for 30min per game

[ragas]

This is a dumb discussion. LMA clearly is the better player. Question is if you want to pay that much money for a 35 year old with an expiring contract... more so if someone else wants to pay his salary. It’s getting harder and harder to find a trade partner. You can hope for a desperate contender at the trade deadline

[rankingtear]

LMA could play just as fast as Poeltl at Poeltl minutes. But don't expect LMA to do that over 30 mins per game. And don't expect Poeltl to stay on the court for 30min per game

How? when you post up you slow down the pace. If you don't post him up then he becomes irrelevant in the offense. Not a good screener, not a good roller and not a good passer , he does not generate easy looks to keep up with the other team. Your just shooting yourself in the foot when you play fast with Aldridge that is why pop plays slower half court execution style whenever he is in the lineup.

[tbdog]

How? when you post up you slow down the pace. If you don't post him up then he becomes irrelevant in the offense. Not a good screener, not a good roller and not a good passer , he does not generate easy looks to keep up with the other team. Your just shooting yourself in the foot when you play fast with Aldridge that is why pop plays slower half court execution style whenever he is in the lineup.

You play slower with LMA because he can't play fast for 30mins. And you rather have him play slow for 30+ mins, than fast for 20 mins. Because he is a vastly superior player than Poeltl having on the floor for longer is beneficial. I don't find Poeltl and better screen or passer. I think they are about the same. I find Poeltl screening worse than Splitter and say Baynes.

Another way to look at it, say you lose LMA, how many minutes do you think Poeltl can effectivly play? Let's say he can get you 24 to 28 mins. Where are the other 20mins coming from. Eubanks? Gay?

[Shakril]

Again: This is not a Discussion who is the better player, but a discussion if LMA fits the Bill. I believe he does not. He is slow and plays slow. LMA became a bad fit. Of course LMA is the better Player. This was never the question. Its only about fit.

Eubanks, at least in the Bubble has shown he can play significant minutes as back up. Probably why he was resigned.

[r0drig0lac]

maybe Raptors, Bucks, Clippers, Knicks?

[ragas]

maybe Raptors, Bucks, Clippers, Knicks?

With Ibaka gone Masai Ujiri for sure is biting in his ass now that he hasn’t given Poeltl an offer sheet. As for LMA: The Raptors could be interested but I don’t see how they could work out a deal without a third team involved.

[rankingtear]

You play slower with LMA because he can't play fast for 30mins. And you rather have him play slow for 30+ mins, than fast for 20 mins. Because he is a vastly superior player than Poeltl having on the floor for longer is beneficial. I don't find Poeltl and better screen or passer. I think they are about the same. I find Poeltl screening worse than Splitter and say Baynes.

Another way to look at it, say you lose LMA, how many minutes do you think Poeltl can effectivly play? Let's say he can get you 24 to 28 mins. Where are the other 20mins coming from. Eubanks? Gay?

No that's not it comes down to moreyball, isos and postups which benefits from LMA skillsets generate less points than pick and roll and cuts which benefits from Poeltl. If you generate less points and not reduce the possessions the math would catch up even if LMA is efficient in postups a lesser skilled roll man can possibly generate more points than him if the possessions are higher. That is why you slow down when the points you generate are inefficient.

LMA is 36th percentile in pick and roll while Poeltl is in the 81st percentile.

Scroll up on the tweet I posted, he generates the most points off screens in the league per minute.

[smush]

This is a dumb discussion. LMA clearly is the better player. Question is if you want to pay that much money for a 35 year old with an expiring contract... more so if someone else wants to pay his salary. It’s getting harder and harder to find a trade partner. You can hope for a desperate contender at the trade deadline

This is spot on. I think we need to stop all the LMA trade talk. He also has a 15% trade kicker that will make it even harder to trade. I don’t think that has been discussed.

If LMA becomes more like Brooke Lopez and spreads out for the young guys he can stay. Pop needs to put everyone in a better position and we can at least make the play in tournament.

[poopbox]

LMA is the better player but Poeltl is the better fit for the direction the team is going in so the very first thing the spurs need to do is get rid of LMA...his numbers will look fine but he is not going to do anything but make the young guards around him like bad...like he has been doing the last few years...

[offset formation]

As i mentioned, the young guards like to play with a higher pace. That does not work with LMA on the court. And as the Spurs are clearly rebuilding, it does not make sense much to hold onto LMA.

Poeltl and Eubanks showed in the Bubble they work well together with the young core, and both played very well in the bubble. Its about Fit not Skill at this point.

The Point is, are the Spurs trying to get something for LMA or is it addition by subtraction.


offset formation: I know you hate Poeltl for unknown reason, but at least pretend to have some knowledge about TEAM Basketball before you post. Thanks in advance.

Dejounte: Its about fit, nothing else. If peopel are making it a LMA vs Poeltl Discussion, they are missing the point like offset Formation.

I'm not giving the guy a BJ just because he comes from my home country, as I guess you do.

And let's get your facts straight:
1. I don't hate him.
2. I don't think he's worth more than 7M per year given his limitations I have noted on previous reports which if you actually read, you'd know why I don't think he's worth 27M. As many others on this board have stated as well. Sorry if that bothers you.
3. He's not ever going to be a threat from even midrange, let alone 3. How does one justify that in this era?
4. Check your feelings of basketball knowledge superiority if you think giving away LMA is remotely justified, just to get your countryman more playing time.
5. Again I repeat, you know shit.

[R. DeMurre]

Agreeing with the folks saying it's about fit rather than talent. Aldridge won't be part of a 2022 or 2023 playoff run, so why procrastinate the inevitable? It's also about diminishing returns on his trade value-- he turns 36 this season. If you have a relatively reliable 1998 Cadillac with 195,000 miles on it, waiting for it to pass 200,000 miles won't help you out in terms of resale value. What happens if Aldridge gets injured this year? Then his trade value drops to zero and the Spurs lose him for nothing.

[Shakril]

I'm not giving the guy a BJ just because he comes from my home country, as I guess you do.

And let's get your facts straight:
1. I don't hate him.
2. I don't think he's worth more than 7M per year given his limitations I have noted on previous reports which if you actually read, you'd know why I don't think he's worth 27M. As many others on this board have stated as well. Sorry if that bothers you.
3. He's not ever going to be a threat from even midrange, let alone 3. How does one justify that in this era?
4. Check your feelings of basketball knowledge superiority if you think giving away LMA is remotely justified, just to get your countryman more playing time.
5. Again I repeat, you know shit.

1 - Everything you say about him says differently. You ignore his good attributes and only critizing him. You are like Skip Bayless in regarding LeBron.
2 - Worse Players with more limitations on the same position got around 8 mil or more. If executives all around the NBA think they are worth that money, than i believe them. Most of your analysis are not based on what Poeltl is, but on what you want him to be. Of course it would be fun to have a Center who shoots 40% from three, but its not necessary and missing the pont. Its about his place in the Rotation, what he brings to the table, not what he is lacking. Poeltl and Eubanks fit very well with the young guards.
3 - I dont need him to be a threat from the midrange as long as he keeps his finishinig with high efficency and improves FT %, than i am satisfied. His importance lies in the Defense. Look up advanced statistics from last year. Each one of them will tell you, that with Poeltl on the Court, Spurs were overall as a Defense and Team much better. I am not telling, that Poeltl is the best Defender in the league. But with the Spurs and the Raptors before, you could see the same dynamic. The points he may not make on the offense, he saves on the Defensiv side and more.
4. This shows me, that you are not reading what i am writing, but what you want to read. I never said, its about Poeltls playing time. Its about Fit. And LMA just does not fit with this current team. Noone is claiming that Poeltl is better than LMA. You are just bringing this up for no reason.
5. Again I repeat, you know nothing about Team Basketball or Team Sports in general, if you believe what you were writing. Teams are winning Titles, because they fit together. Look at Miami, they worked they way in the Finals, cause their Team works. LMA has proven, he does not fit with the Team. You can be stubborn and still arguing that LMA is the one to build a team around, but you will be in a minority.

In Essence: Upgrade your Knowledge, its lacking on every end.

[offset formation]

1 - Everything you say about him says differently. You ignore his good attributes and only critizing him. You are like Skip Bayless in regarding LeBron.
2 - Worse Players with more limitations on the same position got around 8 mil or more. If executives all around the NBA think they are worth that money, than i believe them. Most of your analysis are not based on what Poeltl is, but on what you want him to be. Of course it would be fun to have a Center who shoots 40% from three, but its not necessary and missing the pont. Its about his place in the Rotation, what he brings to the table, not what he is lacking. Poeltl and Eubanks fit very well with the young guards.
3 - I dont need him to be a threat from the midrange as long as he keeps his finishinig with high efficency and improves FT %, than i am satisfied. His importance lies in the Defense. Look up advanced statistics from last year. Each one of them will tell you, that with Poeltl on the Court, Spurs were overall as a Defense and Team much better. I am not telling, that Poeltl is the best Defender in the league. But with the Spurs and the Raptors before, you could see the same dynamic. The points he may not make on the offense, he saves on the Defensiv side and more.
4. This shows me, that you are not reading what i am writing, but what you want to read. I never said, its about Poeltls playing time. Its about Fit. And LMA just does not fit with this current team. Noone is claiming that Poeltl is better than LMA. You are just bringing this up for no reason.
5. Again I repeat, you know nothing about Team Basketball or Team Sports in general, if you believe what you were writing. Teams are winning Titles, because they fit together. Look at Miami, they worked they way in the Finals, cause their Team works. LMA has proven, he does not fit with the Team. You can be stubborn and still arguing that LMA is the one to build a team around, but you will be in a minority.

In Essence: Upgrade your Knowledge, its lacking on every end.

Talk about not reading what someone wrote. I've never said the Spurs should be built around LMA, lol. Anywhere. He's about to be 36. I've just chuckled at your ridiculous postulation in the OP. You don't give away LMA. Ever. Even if Poeltl was better than him. And you really suggested just getting him off the team for next to nothing just to clear, yes, space and PT for your boy.

Your biases are clear. I have none. You know how I know that? Because I recognize that the team cannot exclusively play the way they did when LMA was the primary scoring option, playing with his back to the basket. He must and has already stretched his game to the 3 pt line. Let me know when Poeltl stretches his game beyond 6 ft. LMA plays solid defense too, it's not a case of Poeltl good on defense and LMA bad.

One last point, LMA also gives the team the ability to slow the game down and get back to the basket points when you need to do so. That's still and always will be part of the game. Poeltl has no game like that and you can't always have up-tempo offense. Thus, LMA gives you the best of all worlds and is effective in all aspects.

You're an Austrian homer trying to mask your homegrown rooting interests in Poeltl into general basketball knowledge and you're failing. It's very transparent. And that's fine, I'm not even criticizing you for that.
Poeltl is a solid player. A solid backup or rotational player. I like him on the team, for the right price. Just recognize you made a pathetic suggestion in your OP, and I'll leave it be.

[John B]

It’s worth seeing how this healthy athletic core plays before breaking it up. On paper they should be a playoff team.

White, Murray, Quinndary
Vassell, Lonnie, Mills
Demar, Keldon, Luka
Aldridge, Lyle, Gay
Poeltl, Eubank, Bruiser big?

The small ball looks even nastier. I will run this with anybody in the league:
White
Vassell
Keldon
Demar
Aldridge

[K...]

What exactly do people want for LMA anyway? No one is trading a cost controlled young prospect for LMA straight up. More than likely we would eat a big contract in return plus a pick, but it won't be anything great and would eat into our free space next year

[Mr. Body]

What exactly do people want for LMA anyway? No one is trading a cost controlled young prospect for LMA straight up. More than likely we would eat a big contract in return plus a pick, but it won't be anything great and would eat into our free space next year

I don't think people have any clue what they want. They're just children who want the pretty magic trick to make a bunny appear so they can clap and feel happy with themselves again. They're like cargo cultists -- just make the plane come and then they get crates of tinned food to eat. They don't actually think about anything, it's just grunt emotional response.

[KobesAchilles]

Dude is in here saying how great Poetl is yet won’t say wtf we are supposed to do the other 31 fucking minutes he doesn’t play. His advanced stats are great! And? Dude is a bench player. Advance stats by definition can’t be compared to a starter. You can’t just say he will be the same player at 30 minutes a game :lol

We might not have a clue how to play “team basketball” but we all know that Poetl is a foul prone big man with absolutely no offensive game that hasn’t ever played 20 minutes per game in a season in his entire career and yet he is somehow worth 9 million? :lmao

Hes a better fit than LMA tho... um not. Dude was in foul trouble in 6 outta the 8 games in the bubble. He doesn’t space the floor and isn’t really a strong finisher. He shoots a high percentage but that doesn’t mean shit when you average 5 points a game.

[timvp]

Dude is in here saying how great Poetl is yet won’t say wtf we are supposed to do the other 31 fucking minutes he doesn’t play. His advanced stats are great! And? Dude is a bench player. Advance stats by definition can’t be compared to a starter. You can’t just say he will be the same player at 30 minutes a game :lol

We might not have a clue how to play “team basketball” but we all know that Poetl is a foul prone big man with absolutely no offensive game that hasn’t ever played 20 minutes per game in a season in his entire career and yet he is somehow worth 9 million? :lmao

Hes a better fit than LMA tho... um not. Dude was in foul trouble in 6 outta the 8 games in the bubble. He doesn’t space the floor and isn’t really a strong finisher. He shoots a high percentage but that doesn’t mean shit when you average 5 points a game.

https://media.tenor.com/images/b4d3e059164c307999773b19c86d1e92/tenor.gif

[FutureMan]

There’s no reason to trade Aldridge until we have another star big. DeRozan seems more likely to be traded especially if the young guards continue to develop.

[K...]

Dude is in here saying how great Poetl is yet won’t say wtf we are supposed to do the other 31 fucking minutes he doesn’t play. His advanced stats are great! And? Dude is a bench player. Advance stats by definition can’t be compared to a starter. You can’t just say he will be the same player at 30 minutes a game :lol

We might not have a clue how to play “team basketball” but we all know that Poetl is a foul prone big man with absolutely no offensive game that hasn’t ever played 20 minutes per game in a season in his entire career and yet he is somehow worth 9 million? :lmao

Hes a better fit than LMA tho... um not. Dude was in foul trouble in 6 outta the 8 games in the bubble. He doesn’t space the floor and isn’t really a strong finisher. He shoots a high percentage but that doesn’t mean shit when you average 5 points a game.

So he's got one year to fix it before he's exposed as a starter, here's to hope.

[Dhbsr555]

It’s worth seeing how this healthy athletic core plays before breaking it up. On paper they should be a playoff team.

White, Murray, Quinndary
Vassell, Lonnie, Mills
Demar, Keldon, Luka
Aldridge, Lyle, Gay
Poeltl, Eubank, Bruiser big?

The small ball looks even nastier. I will run this with anybody in the league:
White
Vassell
Keldon
Demar
Aldridge
You can’t possibly believe vassell will start

[DeRozan m8]

you don't trade LA for the same reason the spurs shouldn't have traded kawhi: let an injured player recover and show everyone what they have.

My god...how do people still not know why we traded Kawhi?

HE DIDNT WANT TO PLAY FOR US ANYMORE....WE DIDNT WANT TO LOSE HIM, WE HAD NO CHOICE.

FUCK

[kobyz]

https://tradenba.com/trades/2fNlduf9r

[John B]

You can’t possibly believe vassell will start
Kawhi did. Vassell is more NBA ready than Kawhi was.

[ragas]

Dude is in here saying how great Poetl is yet won’t say wtf we are supposed to do the other 31 fucking minutes he doesn’t play. His advanced stats are great! And? Dude is a bench player. Advance stats by definition can’t be compared to a starter. You can’t just say he will be the same player at 30 minutes a game :lol

We might not have a clue how to play “team basketball” but we all know that Poetl is a foul prone big man with absolutely no offensive game that hasn’t ever played 20 minutes per game in a season in his entire career and yet he is somehow worth 9 million? :lmao

Hes a better fit than LMA tho... um not. Dude was in foul trouble in 6 outta the 8 games in the bubble. He doesn’t space the floor and isn’t really a strong finisher. He shoots a high percentage but that doesn’t mean shit when you average 5 points a game.

Man, you need to chill. As so often the truth is in the middle. Poeltl definitely isn‘t the player his fans (including me) want him to be. But he also isn‘t the bust you‘re describing. Poeltl is a high-end backup, low-end starter at the moment, whose market price apparently is 9 mill per. That’s no fantasy number, that‘s his worth for the Spurs. You might have another opinion, but that‘s the fact.

We all know his deficits (free throw %, shooting), but you should also take into account, what he does well. Spurs defense without him was a mess the whole season. Yes, I know, Bryn Forbes is gone now and also Marco, but everytime Jakob left the floor in the bubble, things have gone south. Yes, he got a lot of fouls, but let‘s be real. He got a lot of terrible whistles. Fouls were no problem for him before the bubble btw. Is he soft, because he didn‘t dunk the damn ball in the Philly game? Perhaps, but I don‘t think so. Watch his hard screens. And don‘t forget that he had a knee injury right before the bubble.

Is he a starter at the current state? Perhaps. He fits well with what the Spurs did in the bubble, but he definitely can‘t close games, as long as he doesn‘t improve his free throw shooting %. And he could have problems playing more than 30 minutes if he can‘t stay out of foul trouble. But I can see that improving with better defenders playing in front of him.

Yes, he has his deficits. But I hate people argueing that he has no worth for this team. That‘s dumb. 9 Mill is a fair price for both parties.

And for the topic of this thread: It would be dumb not the trade LMA. Not because he‘s a bad player - he‘s not - but he is a 35 year old player in his last contract year. If they don‘t want to extend him, they have to trade him for an asset without taking back a bad contract. And if I had the choice, I would trade him now. Not because of Jakobs playing time, but for losing this season. It makes no sense to fight for a playoff spot. Lose as much as you can, give the young guys the playing time and draft top3 next year.

[rankingtear]

Top 10 Players with the Highest On-Off Increase in Pace


Player
Team
Proportion of Time on Court
Team Pace (overall)
Team Pace (with player)
Team Pace (without player
Difference (with vs. without player)


Russell Westbrook
HOU
59%
104.0
107.3
99.3
8.0


Kent Bazemore
SAC
48%
99.6
102.8
96.6
6.2


Justin Holiday
IND
52%
99.4
102.4
96.2
6.1


Lou Williams
LAC
54%
102.2
105.0
98.9
6.1


Patty Mills
SAS
43%
101.1
104.3
98.8
5.5


Trae Young
ATL
65%
103.3
105.2
99.7
5.4


Rudy Gay
SAS
42%
101.1
104.2
98.9
5.3


Montrezl Harrell
LAC
50%
102.2
104.7
99.6
5.2


Mason Plumlee
DEN
30%
97.6
101.3
96.1
5.2


Jaxson Hayes
NOP
31%
103.9
107.4
102.3
5.1


Kevin Knox II
NYK
36%
99.1
102.3
97.3
5.0


Top 10 Players with the Highest On-Off Decrease in Pace


Player
Team
Proportion of Time on Conrt
Team Pace (overall)
Team Pace (with player)
Team Pace (without player
Difference (with vs. without player)


Bryn Forbes
SAS
46%
101.1
100.4
101.8
-1.4


Richaun Holmes
SAC
36%
99.6
98.7
100.1
-1.4


Ivica Zubac
LAC
38%
102.2
101.1
102.8
-1.6


Myles Turner
IND
52%
99.4
98.5
100.4
-1.9


P.J. Tucker
HOU
71%
104.0
103.5
105.4
-2.0


Nikola Jokic
DEN
66%
97.6
96.9
99.1
-2.2


LaMarcus Aldridge
SAS
51%
101.1
99.8
102.5
-2.7


Dwight Howard
LAL
38%
101.2
99.5
102.2
-2.7


Kawhi Leonard
LAC
53%
102.2
100.5
104.0
-3.5


James Harden
HOU
71%
104.0
103.0
106.5
-3.5

[KobesAchilles]

Man, you need to chill. As so often the truth is in the middle. Poeltl definitely isn‘t the player his fans (including me) want him to be. But he also isn‘t the bust you‘re describing. Poeltl is a high-end backup, low-end starter at the moment, whose market price apparently is 9 mill per. That’s no fantasy number, that‘s his worth for the Spurs. You might have another opinion, but that‘s the fact.

We all know his deficits (free throw %, shooting), but you should also take into account, what he does well. Spurs defense without him was a mess the whole season. Yes, I know, Bryn Forbes is gone now and also Marco, but everytime Jakob left the floor in the bubble, things have gone south. Yes, he got a lot of fouls, but let‘s be real. He got a lot of terrible whistles. Fouls were no problem for him before the bubble btw. Is he soft, because he didn‘t dunk the damn ball in the Philly game? Perhaps, but I don‘t think so. Watch his hard screens. And don‘t forget that he had a knee injury right before the bubble.

Is he a starter at the current state? Perhaps. He fits well with what the Spurs did in the bubble, but he definitely can‘t close games, as long as he doesn‘t improve his free throw shooting %. And he could have problems playing more than 30 minutes if he can‘t stay out of foul trouble. But I can see that improving with better defenders playing in front of him.

Yes, he has his deficits. But I hate people argueing that he has no worth for this team. That‘s dumb. 9 Mill is a fair price for both parties.

And for the topic of this thread: It would be dumb not the trade LMA. Not because he‘s a bad player - he‘s not - but he is a 35 year old player in his last contract year. If they don‘t want to extend him, they have to trade him for an asset without taking back a bad contract. And if I had the choice, I would trade him now. Not because of Jakobs playing time, but for losing this season. It makes no sense to fight for a playoff spot. Lose as much as you can, give the young guys the playing time and draft top3 next year.
Totally missed the point of my post. It isn’t that Jakob has no value. It’s that he can’t replace LMA. Dude was in here saying we need to trade LMA bc he’s a poor fit and start Jakob instead. For all the positives that Jakob brings, and he does bring positives, he is a bench player. He has NEVER played 20 minutes a game in his career, and he was a top 10 pick! Our defense is better with Jakob, but we still have the other 31 minutes to deal with when he doesn’t play. That’s my point on value. If Jakob could be a 30-35 minute guy like LMA, he would’ve already been one by now. He’s been on two teams now and both have agreed that he isn’t that guy.

[ragas]

Totally missed the point of my post. It isn’t that Jakob has no value. It’s that he can’t replace LMA. Dude was in here saying we need to trade LMA bc he’s a poor fit and start Jakob instead. For all the positives that Jakob brings, and he does bring positives, he is a bench player. He has NEVER played 20 minutes a game in his career, and he was a top 10 pick! Our defense is better with Jakob, but we still have the other 31 minutes to deal with when he doesn’t play. That’s my point on value. If Jakob could be a 30-35 minute guy like LMA, he would’ve already been one by now. He’s been on two teams now and both have agreed that he isn’t that guy.

He didn‘t show LMAs scoring so far and can’t (and will never) replace his spacing (if LMA continues to shoot 3s). That‘s correct. But there‘s a chance that Jakob could average a double-double if he was used more in the pick‘n‘roll. His efficiency near the basket is great. That wasn‘t his role so far, but that’s also on the guards.

As we saw in the bubble, a single player on the Spurs can‘t replace LMAs scoring, but as a team they could. More players got more shots and made it. That‘s not a bad thing. But what the Spurs would miss without LMA & Demar is the guy who makes the shot in crunch time. There‘s no young Spurs who can fill this role. Not now.

As I wrote before, I think Poeltl can play more minutes if he stays out of foul trouble and improves at least his free throw shooting. I’m not totally convinced that he necessarily needs a midrange game (although it wouldn‘t hurt) Staying out of foul trouble unfortunately is a big if after the bubble. All in all his future might be a borderline starter. A guy who gives you great value from the bench and you can rely on if your starting C is injured. Although I hope for more ;-)

[offset formation]

Man, you need to chill. As so often the truth is in the middle. Poeltl definitely isn‘t the player his fans (including me) want him to be. But he also isn‘t the bust you‘re describing. Poeltl is a high-end backup, low-end starter at the moment, whose market price apparently is 9 mill per. That’s no fantasy number, that‘s his worth for the Spurs. You might have another opinion, but that‘s the fact.

We all know his deficits (free throw %, shooting), but you should also take into account, what he does well. Spurs defense without him was a mess the whole season. Yes, I know, Bryn Forbes is gone now and also Marco, but everytime Jakob left the floor in the bubble, things have gone south. Yes, he got a lot of fouls, but let‘s be real. He got a lot of terrible whistles. Fouls were no problem for him before the bubble btw. Is he soft, because he didn‘t dunk the damn ball in the Philly game? Perhaps, but I don‘t think so. Watch his hard screens. And don‘t forget that he had a knee injury right before the bubble.

Is he a starter at the current state? Perhaps. He fits well with what the Spurs did in the bubble, but he definitely can‘t close games, as long as he doesn‘t improve his free throw shooting %. And he could have problems playing more than 30 minutes if he can‘t stay out of foul trouble. But I can see that improving with better defenders playing in front of him.

Yes, he has his deficits. But I hate people argueing that he has no worth for this team. That‘s dumb. 9 Mill is a fair price for both parties.

And for the topic of this thread: It would be dumb not the trade LMA. Not because he‘s a bad player - he‘s not - but he is a 35 year old player in his last contract year. If they don‘t want to extend him, they have to trade him for an asset without taking back a bad contract. And if I had the choice, I would trade him now. Not because of Jakobs playing time, but for losing this season. It makes no sense to fight for a playoff spot. Lose as much as you can, give the young guys the playing time and draft top3 next year.

Finally a reasonable take from one of you two. Still Spurs shouldn't have pursued him past 7M or 8M. But they gave him 9M so I'm gonna forget about that now and root him on now that he's still a Spur. GSG.

[ragas]

Finally a reasonable take from one of you two. Still Spurs shouldn't have pursued him past 7M or 8M. But they gave him 9M so I'm gonna forget about that now and root him on now that he's still a Spur. GSG.

We gonna fight for our single NBA player till the end. There‘s nobody else we could root for ;-) So if people stop hating and start reasonable discussions, you can get more reasonable takes from me.

[ragas]

Finally a reasonable take from one of you two. Still Spurs shouldn't have pursued him past 7M or 8M. But they gave him 9M so I'm gonna forget about that now and root him on now that he's still a Spur. GSG.

PS: If the Spurs can pay close to 7 million for Carroll for not playing, they should also have the 1-2 mill more for Poeltl. :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

the plan right now should be to play a fast pace game and have LMA out there running, decreasing his minutes a little and give those to Poeltl to where they split them something like 28/20 minutes. It also really depends on line ups. Pop could sub LMA out at 6 min and bring in Jakob, then have LMA out there playing slower with the bench when he comes back in. Maybe that'll work

[BackHome]

I think that is reasonable as LMA is not a spring Chicken he will appreciate maybe playing very little on say back to backs or no more then 28 minutes a games. As far as Poodle I just had to stop looking at him as our future starting Center but more as a very good backup. After that I felt much better with the signing as if we ever want to win another Championship we need to have a very good second unit.

As far as Poodle I agree with Shakril on some of his past comments and would probably add that he gets a lot of ticky tack fouls that should not be called. I wish he would be more vocal as far as voicing his opinion when they are called - see Green. But yeah I know Pop won’t tolerate that which brings it on him to stick up for his players which I don’t think he really does.

[Prime BEEF]

I think that is reasonable as LMA is not a spring Chicken he will appreciate maybe playing very little on say back to backs or no more then 28 minutes a games. As far as Poodle I just had to stop looking at him as our future starting Center but more as a very good backup. After that I felt much better with the signing as if we ever want to win another Championship we need to have a very good second unit.

As far as Poodle I agree with Shakril on some of his past comments and would probably add that he gets a lot of ticky tack fouls that should not be called. I wish he would be more vocal as far as voicing his opinion when they are called - see Green. But yeah I know Pop won’t tolerate that which brings it on him to stick up for his players which I don’t think he really does.
Yup. Poetl is a great backup center. Is $9m a little high? Maybe but we are used to paying players lots of money to sit the bench. Mills, gay, Carroll, etc

[r0drig0lac]

https://media.tenor.com/images/b4d3e059164c307999773b19c86d1e92/tenor.gif

:lol

[$pursDynasty]

demar should go first.
This, I wouldn't trade LMA at all but Demar on the other hand I would be happy to accommodate.

[Trueblood]

Homer. LMA cockblocking your boy from PT?

You know who doesn't "fit?" An NBA player that can't hit shit beyond 6 feet from the basket. It's fucking 2020. Tell ya boy to start working on his free throws. You know who hits more than 50% of them? LMA for starters. Then the rest of the team and the league, save like 7 others.

Sorry, LMA is undeniably the better player, from top to bottom, offensively and defensively, taken as a whole.

Lol@ giving away LMA. He's a fucking HOF possibility and still producing at a high level and you want to give him away?

The fuck outta here.

While I agree we shouldn't give him away and the OP shouldn't have said "I don't care what we get in return" I do think it's time to move on. We aren't winning it this year and the PO streak is broken. We need to make him the focal point for a few weeks, get a couple double doubles under his belt then find a team out west who wants a scoring big to defend against AD. He's gone after this season so holding onto him as a legacy and not getting anything in return is just nonsensical because at best he plays his heart out and the only thing we will get in return is the 8th seed and pick 16 in the draft while we watch him go sign with Portland in the off season.

[diego]

i used to defend the hell out of aldridge, but last season he was too soft, content to suck, and with his age and injury history i think its time to move on and embrace the youth movement and get something for him before he flames out. has nothing to do with poetl, and though his pace/ fit are issues the main one for me is attitude, i just dont see any fire left in him.

[NK123]

https://tradenba.com/trades/ezonC121k

[Man In Black]

It's strange.
Chris Paul is 35. Everyone says he is still good. LeBron James is 35 and everyone says he shows no signs of slowing down too much.
We got Aldridge at age 35 and he plays exactly the way that Pop requires him to.
Him and DeRozan weren't brought in to be the replacements for ALL-NBA Tim Duncan and Kawhi Leonard.
However, if the chemistry is right, they only have to approximate the roles those players had in 2014.
So, in essence, TD in 2014 averaged 15.1 PPG, 9.7 RPG, 3.0 APG, .6 SPG and 2.3 BPG.
Kawhi in 2014 averaged 12.8 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 2.0 APG, 1.7 SPG, and .8 BPG
Combine those totals: 27.9 PPG, 15.9 RPG, 5.0 APG, 2.3 SPG, and 3.1 BPG

Last season LMA averaged 18.9 PPG, 7.4 RPG, 2.4 APG, .7 SPG, and 1.6 BPG.
DeRozan averaged 22.1 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 5.6 APG, 1.0 SPG and .3 BPG.
Combine those totals: 41.0 PPG, 12.9 RPG, 8.0 APG, 1.7 SPG, and 1.9 BPG

These 2 Spurs aren't the issue. For the Spurs to get better, the young guys, including Poeltl have to get better. I agree that the defense should be much improved with both Belinelli and Forbes no longer on the court. The team has lot of youth, length, varying levels of athleticism,
and now, they actually have some experience.

I actually see a path to where they both stay, on perhaps 2+1 deals but at Team Friendly contracts. As those young guys get better, re-balance the loads, and let's get back to The Beautiful Game.

[San Antonio Slayer]

Since LMA is still the only top free agent who wanted to play here, he deserves to request a trade but not to be traded according to PATFO initiative. He has been our best player for 3-4 seasons and should be respected at his decline. I wish he would retire as a spur.

[RC_Drunkford]

It's strange.
Chris Paul is 35. Everyone says he is still good. LeBron James is 35 and everyone says he shows no signs of slowing down too much.
We got Aldridge at age 35 and he plays exactly the way that Pop requires him to.
Him and DeRozan weren't brought in to be the replacements for ALL-NBA Tim Duncan and Kawhi Leonard.
However, if the chemistry is right, they only have to approximate the roles those players had in 2014.
So, in essence, TD in 2014 averaged 15.1 PPG, 9.7 RPG, 3.0 APG, .6 SPG and 2.3 BPG.
Kawhi in 2014 averaged 12.8 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 2.0 APG, 1.7 SPG, and .8 BPG
Combine those totals: 27.9 PPG, 15.9 RPG, 5.0 APG, 2.3 SPG, and 3.1 BPG

Last season LMA averaged 18.9 PPG, 7.4 RPG, 2.4 APG, .7 SPG, and 1.6 BPG.
DeRozan averaged 22.1 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 5.6 APG, 1.0 SPG and .3 BPG.
Combine those totals: 41.0 PPG, 12.9 RPG, 8.0 APG, 1.7 SPG, and 1.9 BPG

These 2 Spurs aren't the issue. For the Spurs to get better, the young guys, including Poeltl have to get better. I agree that the defense should be much improved with both Belinelli and Forbes no longer on the court. The team has lot of youth, length, varying levels of athleticism,
and now, they actually have some experience.

I actually see a path to where they both stay, on perhaps 2+1 deals but at Team Friendly contracts. As those young guys get better, re-balance the loads, and let's get back to The Beautiful Game.

the thing is Duncan and nephew were 2 of the best defenders ever. Aldridge and DeRozan don't come close to that

[Man In Black]

I know what you mean, but if the expectation was that these players also become ALL-NBA Defenders, then you know going in that this is not the case. BUT YET, they were brought in to play meaningful defined roles. And they are playing them exactly as Pop defines.

It's bad logic to think that you're using them to replace the very best version of former Spurs.

I laid out the stats and offensively, the Spurs have gained more on points and given up some on defense. But this team is heavily reliant on read and re-cover defending and well...both Marco and Bryn weren't good at that.

[Brazil]

Dude is in here saying how great Poetl is yet won’t say wtf we are supposed to do the other 31 fucking minutes he doesn’t play. His advanced stats are great! And? Dude is a bench player. Advance stats by definition can’t be compared to a starter. You can’t just say he will be the same player at 30 minutes a game :lol

We might not have a clue how to play “team basketball” but we all know that Poetl is a foul prone big man with absolutely no offensive game that hasn’t ever played 20 minutes per game in a season in his entire career and yet he is somehow worth 9 million? :lmao

Hes a better fit than LMA tho... um not. Dude was in foul trouble in 6 outta the 8 games in the bubble. He doesn’t space the floor and isn’t really a strong finisher. He shoots a high percentage but that doesn’t mean shit when you average 5 points a game.

:lol ouch

[RC_Drunkford]

I know what you mean, but if the expectation was that these players also become ALL-NBA Defenders, then you know going in that this is not the case. BUT YET, they were brought in to play meaningful defined roles. And they are playing them exactly as Pop defines.

It's bad logic to think that you're using them to replace the very best version of former Spurs.

I laid out the stats and offensively, the Spurs have gained more on points and given up some on defense. But this team is heavily reliant on read and re-cover defending and well...both Marco and Bryn weren't good at that.

I get what you are saying. I been saying the Spurs should put together a roster with no defensive holes at all ever since the Warriors emerged, but somehow Pop's pets were always shooters who can't guard anybody. Glad to finally see a roster full of defenders. That's how they can maximize DeRozan and Aldridge. Players like White, Murray, Johnson, Lyles and Walker hitting 3s consistently will be key this season.

[Slippy]

Since LMA is still the only top free agent who wanted to play here, he deserves to request a trade but not to be traded according to PATFO initiative. He has been our best player for 3-4 seasons and should be respected at his decline. I wish he would retire as a spur.

Exactly right.. spurs will leave it up to Lamarcus. Part of the reason for coming here was to be closer to his son. Spurs wont overlook this .

[Man In Black]

I get what you are saying. I been saying the Spurs should put together a roster with no defensive holes at all ever since the Warriors emerged, but somehow Pop's pets were always shooters who can't guard anybody. Glad to finally see a roster full of defenders. That's how they can maximize DeRozan and Aldridge. Players like White, Murray, Johnson, Lyles and Walker hitting 3s consistently will be key this season.

I agree. That defense the Warriors employ is similar to the one that Pop used when he had Top 5 Defenses all those years in a row.
I look at it like this:
1-2 Dejounte Murray 6-4 w/7-0 wingspan 180 lbs
1-2 Tre Jones 6-2.5 w/6-4 wingspan 190 lbs
2-1 Patty Mills 6-0.5 w/6-1 wingspan 175 lbs
2-1 Derrick White 6-5 w/6-9 wingspan 195 lbs
3-2 Keldon Johnson 6-6 w/ 6-10 wingspan 220 lbs
2-3 Lonnie Walker IV 6-4.5 w/ 6-10 wingspan 205 lbs
2-3 DeMar DeRozan 6-7 w/6-10 wingspan 220 lbs
2-3 Devin Vassell 6-7 w/6-10 wingspan 195 lbs
4-5 Trey Lyles 6-10 w 7-3.5 wingspan 240 lbs
4-5 Luka Samanic 6-11 w/ 6-11 wingspan 230 lbs
5-4 Jakob Poeltl 7-1 w/7-2 wingspan 245 lbs
5-4 Drew Eubanks 6-10 w/6-11 wingspan 245 lbs
4-3 Rudy Gay 6-9 w/ 7-4 wingspan 230 lbs
4-5 LaMarcus Aldridge 6-11 w/7-5 wingspan 250 lbs

That's a lot of length to throw out. If they can read and react and make the adjustments on a string, I see a marked improvement for the team's rankings defensively.

[k830713]

https://tradenba.com/trades/Lza4byb9M

[szkorhetz]

https://tradenba.com/trades/Lza4byb9M

I literally threw up.

[Trueblood]

https://tradenba.com/trades/Lza4byb9M

Not a huge fan of taking on those contacts but I think we would have the better and of that deal with Wiseman and the 21 pick. No way they would ever agree to that.

But I do think you're on the right track trading away both DDR and LA to get assets in the 21 draft.

Every sign points to this draft being STACKED and we should be looking for extra picks. I would even settle for two late first rounders from contenders looking for a little extra fire power. We could use two late first rounders and try to move up.

Without DDR or LA we give our young guys lots of run but undoubtedly end up in the lottery again. That would give us a lottery pick and two late first rounders. We could use all three or use them to move you and find our next franchise player.

People on here talking about holding onto them make zero sense. Why on earth would we hold onto two aging former all stars who both believe they deserve more money than they do? It makes sense if you have an up and coming all star currently on the roster who you are surrounding with aging talent in hopes to make a big push (like the 13, 14 roster).

But let's play out this scenario for those who want to hold onto them:

We end the season around the 8-10 range. DDR has eaten tons of minutes that could have been used to develop the young guys. IF we make the playoffs we're first round fodder for the Lakers. At the end of the season LA signs a legacy contact with Portland to finish his career there. DDR finds a desperate team in free agency that signs him to way more than he's worth. The spurs end up without either of them, our young guys development has been stunted AND we only have one late lottery pick to show for it.

If we trade them away, however, we can try and get two late first rounders from contenders. Our young guys get lots of run. We tank the season and end up in the single digits of the lottery with two additional picks which we can use to find our future cornerstone.

I know which one I prefer.

[venitian navigator]

It's strange.
Chris Paul is 35. Everyone says he is still good. LeBron James is 35 and everyone says he shows no signs of slowing down too much.
We got Aldridge at age 35 and he plays exactly the way that Pop requires him to.
Him and DeRozan weren't brought in to be the replacements for ALL-NBA Tim Duncan and Kawhi Leonard.
However, if the chemistry is right, they only have to approximate the roles those players had in 2014.
So, in essence, TD in 2014 averaged 15.1 PPG, 9.7 RPG, 3.0 APG, .6 SPG and 2.3 BPG.
Kawhi in 2014 averaged 12.8 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 2.0 APG, 1.7 SPG, and .8 BPG
Combine those totals: 27.9 PPG, 15.9 RPG, 5.0 APG, 2.3 SPG, and 3.1 BPG

Last season LMA averaged 18.9 PPG, 7.4 RPG, 2.4 APG, .7 SPG, and 1.6 BPG.
DeRozan averaged 22.1 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 5.6 APG, 1.0 SPG and .3 BPG.
Combine those totals: 41.0 PPG, 12.9 RPG, 8.0 APG, 1.7 SPG, and 1.9 BPG

These 2 Spurs aren't the issue. For the Spurs to get better, the young guys, including Poeltl have to get better. I agree that the defense should be much improved with both Belinelli and Forbes no longer on the court. The team has lot of youth, length, varying levels of athleticism,
and now, they actually have some experience.

I actually see a path to where they both stay, on perhaps 2+1 deals but at Team Friendly contracts. As those young guys get better, re-balance the loads, and let's get back to The Beautiful Game.

This... I agree.

[venitian navigator]

https://tradenba.com/trades/Lza4byb9M

This is the alternative road, but Imho this trade has no chance to be accepted by g. s.... I proposed an alternative trade with gay instead of mills and no 21 draft pick... That has a chance to work for both teams. But it's a big risk anyway considering K. T. surgery (also if it's reported has been successful) and the big unknown of Wiseman! But considering age and style of gay, LMA and DDR we can agree that they have at least a 2 years window to play at high play off level... That could entice G. S. To take the deal because Imho there is no way K. T. Will be ready to play at a decent level before at least 1 year and an half...

[venitian navigator]

For better comprehension of what is Imho G. S. situation. Curry is finally rested and probably is gonna play one of his best seasons... But not with klay. Klay injury is the same of Wall and Gay... In this meaning that, for being back at good level, both surgery and rehab must go perfectly and for this to go well you need at least two years. In 2 years curry becomes simply too old to be considered a reliable first option for 35 minutes anymore. For him and D. Green (the other foundation of their team) if there is a chance to compete in play offs is in the next 2 years, do, necessarily, without k. T. As a key component of the team. Gay, DDR and LMA fit all 3 the goal of a win now team for at least next year and maybe one more. Wiggins and Wiseman do not, at all... K. T. simply can't. The plus for them is our 3 knows them for playing several seasons together, so not a lot of chemistry issues at least between them, plus they are, all in all, good characters and all in, for as much is possible, contract years... So you know they are gonna give you all next year at least. In this I see a big incentive for GS to make such a trade and, for chemistry reasons, to make it as soon as possible...

[Thomas82]

This is the alternative road, but Imho this trade has no chance to be accepted by g. s.... I proposed an alternative trade with gay instead of mills and no 21 draft pick... That has a chance to work for both teams. But it's a big risk anyway considering K. T. surgery (also if it's reported has been successful) and the big unknown of Wiseman! But considering age and style of gay, LMA and DDR we can agree that they have at least a 2 years window to play at high play off level... That could entice G. S. To take the deal because Imho there is no way K. T. Will be ready to play at a decent level before at least 1 year and an half...


For better comprehension of what is Imho G. S. situation. Curry is finally rested and probably is gonna play one of his best seasons... But not with klay. Klay injury is the same of Wall and Gay... In this meaning that, for being back at good level, both surgery and rehab must go perfectly and for this to go well you need at least two years. In 2 years curry becomes simply too old to be considered a reliable first option for 35 minutes anymore. For him and D. Green (the other foundation of their team) if there is a chance to compete in play offs is in the next 2 years, do, necessarily, without k. T. As a key component of the team. Gay, DDR and LMA fit all 3 the goal of a win now team for at least next year and maybe one more. Wiggins and Wiseman do not, at all... K. T. simply can't. The plus for them is our 3 knows them for playing several seasons together, so not a lot of chemistry issues at least between them, plus they are, all in all, good characters and all in, for as much is possible, contract years... So you know they are gonna give you all next year at least. In this I see a big incentive for GS to make such a trade and, for chemistry reasons, to make it as soon as possible...

All of this makes perfect sense!! I was really hoping that we could have gotten this deal done on draft day.

[XDT76]

All of this makes perfect sense!! I was really hoping that we could have gotten this deal done on draft day.

How does they make sense we are gonna lock $70M on a poison pill, a unknown and an unavailable player for next 2 yrs? If KT lost his speed and drop in 3 pt ability which is very possible base on his last 2 injuries we will be paying a backup for $30+M for a further 2 years. Woah and people are bitching about $9M for Poeltl.

[Man In Black]

How does they make sense we are gonna lock $70M on a poison pill, a unknown and an unavailable player for next 2 yrs? If KT lost his speed and drop in 3 pt ability which is very possible base on his last 2 injuries we will be paying a backup for $30+M for a further 2 years. Woah and people are bitching about $9M for Poeltl.

Paying that much for a player who is coming off of injury, is a lot when your team, based on majority ownership net worth, is the 2nd poorest. The poorest is the sister of the late Paul Allen, her personal net worth is rather pedestrian, but she controls a 10B empire. Mr. Holt has an estimated Networth of 200M. That's a fair chunk of change in Texas, but the richest owner in the NBA, Steve Ballmer, has a net worth of 72B. That's approaching double of the 2nd richest owner, Dan Gilbert who is at 44M.

[8FOR!3]

Poeltl/Eubanks are just fine as starting and backup centers in the NBA. But having a center that can shoot 3's is a positive. I wonder if one of those two can every develop that shot. Probably not very likely.