imagine if the spurs kept presti

[gambit1990]

:wow

okc traded their franchise player and still made the playoffs over the spurs :lol

okc chillin with one million first round draft picks over the next decade.

while the spurs are over here still saddled with demar :lmao

[K...]

saddled as in an expiring contract? fuck off

Each of our first round picks are roughly equal to a first round pick in a trade by value. So the spurs have assets. OKC still has more but those are gong to be busts

[RC_Drunkford]

Or Sean Marks. But no, Drunkford thought Brian Wright was the right man for the job. His biggest offseason move was signing Drew Eubanks.

[Trill Clinton]

Most overrated GM in the league tbh. Broke up a HOF trio and got nothing to show for it. People like him because he pulls off NBA 2K trades but he doesn't have any championships to show for it.

[Atl Spur]

Most overrated GM in the league tbh. Broke up a HOF trio and got nothing to show for it. People like him because he pulls off NBA 2K trades but he doesn't have any championships to show for it.

Preach!

[Atl Spur]

Or Sean Marks. But no, Drunkford thought Brian Wright was the right man for the job. His biggest offseason move was signing Drew Eubanks.

Did Brian Wright still your lady? You really don’t like that dude huh??? Why??

[gambit1990]

saddled as in an expiring contract? fuck off
if spurs don't move demar then how many years have they wasted with him?


So the spurs have assets. OKC still has more but those are gong to be busts
:lmao

did you know okc can also trade draft picks ?? :lmao

[EasyMoney]

Westbrook
Harden
Durant
Ibaka
Adams
Oladipo
Paul George
Chris Paul

And absolutely nothing to show for it.

[gambit1990]

Most overrated GM in the league tbh. Broke up a HOF trio and got nothing to show for it. People like him because he pulls off NBA 2K trades but he doesn't have any championships to show for it.
:td:td

harden trade wasn't great. but james harden now wasn't james harden then. don't act like he hasn't made up for that with all the draft picks okc has.

and durant walked away.

[gambit1990]

Westbrook
Harden
Durant
Ibaka
Adams
Oladipo
Paul George
Chris Paul

And absolutely nothing to show for it.
okc has like, 19 first round picks over the next seven years.

[EasyMoney]

okc has like, 19 first round picks over the next seven years.


Doesn't matter. We'll see what he actually does with them.

[playblair]

all the best gms in the nba came from the spurs umbrella.........the best gm in the league masai was mentored by buford

[lefty20]

:wow

okc traded their franchise player and still made the playoffs over the spurs :lol

okc chillin with one million first round draft picks over the next decade.

while the spurs are over here still saddled with demar :lmao

Spurs made the playoffs with their franchise player playing only 9 games. And then made the playoffs again after their franchise player forced a trade while doing everything possible to tank his trade value. But don't let the facts stop you from doing whatever it is that you think you're doing.

[The Truth #6]

Brilliant at trades, typically, which is why we’re thinking about him now. Average to above average at the draft. Horrible at picking coaches. And he definitely screwed up their Big 3, but their Big 3 were all sort of chumps in the end, so maybe it was never going to work, but still a huge blemish.

[TD 21]

:lmao At blaming him for the lack of a championship and losing 3 MVP's. That's as ridiculous as crediting the Warriors/Raptors for their tainted championships.

What did you want him to do about the amount of bad luck they suffered?

- In '12, ownership essentially forced them to trade Harden.
- In '13, Beverley injured Westbrook.
- In '14, they ran into a legendary team and Ibaka missed the first two games (granted, Parker left game 6 early).
- In '15, they were so decimated by injury (namely Durant) that they missed the playoffs altogether.
- In '16, they ran into another legendary team and narrowly squandered a series they should have won.

They've got to be the biggest what if in league history.

[Collins21]

:lmao At blaming him for the lack of a championship and losing 3 MVP's. That's as ridiculous as crediting the Warriors/Raptors for their tainted championships.

What did you want him to do about the amount of bad luck they suffered?

- In '12, ownership essentially forced them to trade Harden.
- In '13, Beverley injured Westbrook.
- In '14, they ran into a legendary team and Ibaka missed the first two games (granted, Parker left game 6 early).
- In '15, they were so decimated by injury (namely Durant) that they missed the playoffs altogether.
- In '16, they ran into another legendary team and narrowly squandered a series they should have won.

They've got to be the biggest what if in league history.

You do know I could do the same what if game for those exact same years for the Spurs. If we did that Buford would be seen as a god and would be better than Presti by far if we played the what if game. Bottom line is he didn't get it done the same way the Spurs didn't get it done he doesn't get a pass.

[offset formation]

Did Brian Wright still your lady? You really don’t like that dude huh??? Why??

He drafted us potentially two good players, potentially a really good one, last year and then two more this year. Not sure I get the group think here that because he didn't trade away out two best players, potentially for squat, that's he's garbage. There's still time to trade them if we can and should, but seeing what you've got with the team before you blow it up is the wise move.

[TD 21]

You do know I could do the same what if game for those exact same years for the Spurs. If we did that Buford would be seen as a god and would be better than Presti by far if we played the what if game. Bottom line is he didn't get it done the same way the Spurs didn't get it done he doesn't get a pass.

1) He doesn't play and 2) They had two relatively healthy, in their prime cracks at it and narrowly lost to 2 all-time teams.

[Collins21]

1) He doesn't play and 2) They had two relatively healthy, in their prime cracks at it and narrowly lost to 2 all-time teams.

RC doesn't play either but when the team loses are falls short he gets the blame which he deserves. Hell in 2017 RC signed Pau and gave Mills 50 million and both his team and Presti's team eneded up in the same place. Difference is RC's team had a top 5 player sit out 73 games. This is not defending RC either this is just saying Presti shouldn't get praise for being a dumpster fire for the past 5 years.

[RC_Drunkford]

Did Brian Wright still your lady? You really don’t like that dude huh??? Why??

mention one good thing Brian Wright has done, draft excluded, since he doesn’t make that decision anyway.

[KobesAchilles]

I like Presti. He found TP. He drafted 3 MVPs which is beyond amazing. But I said it then and it’s become way more apparent now, but trading Harden for Kevin Martin and Perkins (I know he wasn’t pet of the trade but he essentially was bc it was his contract extension that made the Harden extension impossible) was the dumbest move of all.

Win a title first and then come back to me with how great he is. But if I’m a rebuilding franchise, there’s nobody better at it than him. He’s like Hinke, except he can actually draft :lol

[KobesAchilles]

mention one good thing Brian Wright has done, draft excluded, since he doesn’t make that decision anyway.
He hasn’t extended DDR and so far Forbes. Small victories but I will take them.. even though we did just pay 9 mil for a back up center who averages 17 minutes a game that doesn’t even give us 6 points/rebounds per game :lol

[ducks]

Imagine if they fired pop and kepted Leonard

[DAF86]

We would have drafted the Marfan DemiGod :(

[timvp]

- In '12, ownership essentially forced them to trade Harden.

Fake news, tbh. Presti prioritized Ibaka and Kendrick Perkins over Harden. It was commonly known back then but somehow gullible fans have decided to alter history.

It's just weird how Spurs fans suddenly idolize Presti. Trading away Harden forever tainted his tenue in OKC. That'd be like if Buford kept Nazr Mohammad over his left-handed sixth man extraordinaire.

[r0drig0lac]

Westbrook
Harden
Durant
Ibaka
Adams
Oladipo
Paul George
Chris Paul

And absolutely nothing to show for it.

The fact that OKC did not win a championship in the period 12 to 16 speaks more about how Durbeta is overestimated than about Presti, he gave Durbeta a top 2/3 supporting cast throughout his peak, he's just not good enough if he's not on a team that would already be a champion without him.

[baseline bum]

I like Presti. He found TP. He drafted 3 MVPs which is beyond amazing. But I said it then and it’s become way more apparent now, but trading Harden for Kevin Martin and Perkins (I know he wasn’t pet of the trade but he essentially was bc it was his contract extension that made the Harden extension impossible) was the dumbest move of all.

Win a title first and then come back to me with how great he is. But if I’m a rebuilding franchise, there’s nobody better at it than him. He’s like Hinke, except he can actually draft :lol

Didn't Clay Bennett kind of force him into trading Harden? God what a fuck up, they would have easily had the money to pay that team to stay together with the huge new TV deal that greatly increased the salary cap. That team would have probably won all of Golden State's rings and maybe beaten the 2014 Spurs too.

[exstatic]

Didn't Clay Bennett kind of force him into trading Harden? God what a fuck up, they would have easily had the money to pay that team to stay together with the huge new TV deal that greatly increased the salary cap. That team would have probably won all of Golden State's rings and maybe beaten the 2014 Spurs too.

That’s what I thought, too. Gave him a hard cap budget. NO TAX, and it came down to like $2M to have to jettison someone. Presti had to decide, but the parameters were set by Bennett.

[The Truth #6]

I thought it was Presti playing hardball over less than $5 million. But it’s probably hard to know the real truth.

[Nivek_ogre]

Most overrated GM in the league tbh. Broke up a HOF trio and got nothing to show for it. People like him because he pulls off NBA 2K trades but he doesn't have any championships to show for it.
Exactly

[TD 21]

RC doesn't play either but when the team loses are falls short he gets the blame which he deserves. Hell in 2017 RC signed Pau and gave Mills 50 million and both his team and Presti's team eneded up in the same place. Difference is RC's team had a top 5 player sit out 73 games. This is not defending RC either this is just saying Presti shouldn't get praise for being a dumpster fire for the past 5 years.

The Spurs front office received virtually no blame until they went senile the past 3 years.

In '17, the Thunder had already lost Durant.



Fake news, tbh. Presti prioritized Ibaka and Kendrick Perkins over Harden. It was commonly known back then but somehow gullible fans have decided to alter history.

It's just weird how Spurs fans suddenly idolize Presti. Trading away Harden forever tainted his tenue in OKC. That'd be like if Buford kept Nazr Mohammad over his left-handed sixth man extraordinaire.

I know how much it upsets you, but I wasn't taking a shot at the front office or praising Presti. I'm just being fair, but any executive/coach who receives heaps of praise is overrated because they're all highly dependant on luck.

Technically, but that's revisionist history. At that point, virtually no one knew Harden had MVP potential and it was a different world where bigs held more value.

[John B]

5 rings >>>>> having 18 1st round picks

[R. DeMurre]

5 rings >>>>> having 18 1st round picks

Exactly! Spurs won five with Timmy when they had to deal with prime Shaq, Garnett, Dirk, and Lebron. OKC should've been able to win one without excuses. The difference was sticking with a player like Westbrook, who couldn't be managed.

[timvp]

Presti getting forced by his owner to trade Harden is a myth. Didn't happen. The owners wanted the Thunder to not pay the lux tax and Presti picked to keep Ibaka and Kendrick Perkins over Harden.

Ironically, Presti first tried to trade Harden to the Raptors for Jonas Valanciunas and, wait for it, DeMar DeRozan. Oh, how the turn tables :lol :cry :lol

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1610472-james-harden-could-have-been-a-raptor-would-you-have-pulled-the-trigger

[baseline bum]

Fake news, tbh. Presti prioritized Ibaka and Kendrick Perkins over Harden. It was commonly known back then but somehow gullible fans have decided to alter history.


It's true he chose Ibaka and crap over Harden, but still he was forced to cut salary by Bennett wasn't he?

[The Truth #6]

He’s great at slapping trades together. The Spurs suck at putting trades together. Somewhere in the middle is preferable.

[I need 5]

I totally agree with you on him.

[timvp]

It's true he chose Ibaka and crap over Harden, but still he was forced to cut salary by Bennett wasn't he?

Bennett didn't want to pay lux tax but if lux tax was a legit excuse for a terrible decision like Perkins > Harden, 95% of GMs could be excused for their bad moves by utilizing the same logic. Buford picking Malik over Ginobili in 2005 wouldn't have been justifiable by saying Holt didn't want to pay the lux tax, tbh.

[ginobilized]

The young Presti was sharp as a tack and very ambitious. No way the Spurs could've kept him.
He was a great asset in his time in SA and moved on. Ideally, that's how it's supposed to work.

[tbdog]

Presti would have traded manu for Monte Ellis.

[TD 21]

Presti getting forced by his owner to trade Harden is a myth. Didn't happen. The owners wanted the Thunder to not pay the lux tax and Presti picked to keep Ibaka and Kendrick Perkins over Harden.

Ironically, Presti first tried to trade Harden to the Raptors for Jonas Valanciunas and, wait for it, DeMar DeRozan. Oh, how the turn tables :lol :cry :lol

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1610472-james-harden-could-have-been-a-raptor-would-you-have-pulled-the-trigger

I said essentially. You can ignore the context I mentioned and spout the in hindsight results, but the reality is he probably thought there's no way Durant-Westbrook-Harden could coexist for long. I got the logic, he just made a poor trade.

At least he didn't trade Harden after he had established himself as a superstar, along with a high end role player and $5M for the established version of DeRozan, a role player and a late 1st, like some other front office . . .

[alpha_HaZE]

:wow

okc traded their franchise player and still made the playoffs over the spurs :lol

okc chillin with one million first round draft picks over the next decade.

while the spurs are over here still saddled with demar :lmao

Imagine if RC had Harden, Ibaka, KD, and Russ and lost all of them without having any rings to show...

[DPG21920]

Presti getting forced by his owner to trade Harden is a myth. Didn't happen. The owners wanted the Thunder to not pay the lux tax and Presti picked to keep Ibaka and Kendrick Perkins over Harden.

Ironically, Presti first tried to trade Harden to the Raptors for Jonas Valanciunas and, wait for it, DeMar DeRozan. Oh, how the turn tables :lol :cry :lol

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1610472-james-harden-could-have-been-a-raptor-would-you-have-pulled-the-trigger

So what you’re saying is even one of the worst GMs in the league even knew better than to trade a star for a package including DeRozan :lol?