"free college is a socialist takeover"- Betsy Davos

[Trill Clinton]

Queen AOC destroys her

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[TimDunkem]

As she dodges taxes on her yacht. :lol

No one gets more handouts than the rich.

[Trill Clinton]

As she dodges taxes on her yacht. :lol

No one gets more handouts than the rich.

bruh its crazy how entitled these people are. I can't wait for her to get the boot.

[boutons_deux]

Ditzy Devos' so-called brain has been pickled by her inherited wealth.

incredibly stupid, ignorant, aka, typical right wing nut job + Christian Supremacist

[Blake]

At least she'll get the boot here shortly

[SpursforSix]

There's so much information available for free that for many occupations, you can learn 80% just by Googling. At some point, there just needs to be a proficiency test for several jobs without the bullshit of needing a four year degree.

[FrostKing]

I am supposed to believe more students equals more STEM courses?

We all know this will result in the already under qualified Liberal Arts departments ballooning in size. Furthermore imagine what it will do to the worth of that paper degree when even more have one.

Win-Win situation for Democrats as they program more foot soldiers

[hater]

Shes one dumb motherfucker

[ducks]

She is smart
If it would be free people would not study and learn
She has more smarts then 95 percent in this place

[ducks]

There's so much information available for free that for many occupations, you can learn 80% just by Googling. At some point, there just needs to be a proficiency test for several jobs without the bullshit of needing a four year degree.

Then why should this be free
Teachers want money !
Because clothes cost money

[DMX7]

Devos is an idiot. She hates public education because she cashes in on for profit schools that typically offer the worst education especially the "colleges" -- not to mention the worst value for money.

[SpursforSix]

Then why should this be free
Teachers want money !
Because clothes cost money

Don't get me wrong...there's a definite benefit to being able to have some time with a professor. But imo, these are getting fewer and farther between. And some jobs obviously need hands on experience and labs. But most of them don't need so much where you need to pay what the university is charging. Not to mention the cost of living associated with going away to college.

[Trill Clinton]

She is smart
If it would be free people would not study and learn
She has more smarts then 95 percent in this place

You know free college doesn't mean automatic degree, right? Students will still have to maintain a passing GPA.

[Blake]

She is smart
If it would be free people would not study and learn
She has more smarts then 95 percent in this place

You think you're smart tho

[RandomGuy]

She is smart
If it would be free people would not study and learn
She has more smarts then 95 percent in this place

I am surprised you would say this about AOC.

[RandomGuy]

Devos is an idiot. She hates public education because she cashes in on for profit schools that typically offer the worst education especially the "colleges" -- not to mention the worst value for money.

#leechclass

[Chucho]

LOL, worrying about free college when public education is a fucking farce.

[Chucho]

The biggest tech company in the world is actively invalidating the American college institution. They will educate you to their standards in a fraction of the time for a fraction of the price and will give you employment with a pay scale college graduates would be licking their chops at from first interviews out of college.

If you think you're above going to a trade school for the same degree, you're stupid. I know 3 ITT tech graduates making 6 figures, one making nearly seven figures and living in Abu Dhabi living the pimp life.

Murican College is a sham, it's dying because honest for-profit schools will get you that piece of paper for a fraction of the time and price of traditional colleges.

The times are killing businesses and job opportunities for professionals not in the medical, science, legal, tech or finance sectors. No need to accrue near 7-figure debt to become a $35k/year teacher where you will need 10 years of tenure to not be paid poverty wages.

Murica is boiling off the the useless/inessential "professions" that were already in ultra-minute-demand.


High schools need to be producing young adults with the proper tools that will help them accelerate in the real world and they haven't been doing that in over 20 years.

A revamped Home Economics needs to be mandatory and overhauled from a domestic wife prep class to a class that teaches these shit stains about basic, real world issues- budgeting, taxes, the economics of having a child. Parents passed the buck of child-rearing and responsibility a LONG time ago, so it's fair to expect that from our tax dollars since we have unrealistic expectations in other avenues where our tax dollars are spent. Just seems this would be the best investment of our tax dollars, while killing unnecessary debt.

Only clowns who were shamed into paying more than their worth would be opposed to something this simple and logical.

[Blake]

LOL, worrying about free college when public education is a fucking farce.

Two different things

[baseline bum]

The biggest tech company in the world is actively invalidating the American college institution. They will educate you to their standards in a fraction of the time for a fraction of the price and will give you employment with a pay scale college graduates would be licking their chops at from first interviews out of college.

If you think you're above going to a trade school for the same degree, you're stupid. I know 3 ITT tech graduates making 6 figures, one making nearly seven figures and living in Abu Dhabi living the pimp life.

Murican College is a sham, it's dying because honest for-profit schools will get you that piece of paper for a fraction of the time and price of traditional colleges.

The times are killing businesses and job opportunities for professionals not in the medical, science, legal, tech or finance sectors. No need to accrue near 7-figure debt to become a $35k/year teacher where you will need 10 years of tenure to not be paid poverty wages.

Murica is boiling off the the useless/inessential "professions" that were already in ultra-minute-demand.


High schools need to be producing young adults with the proper tools that will help them accelerate in the real world and they haven't been doing that in over 20 years.

A revamped Home Economics needs to be mandatory and overhauled from a domestic wife prep class to a class that teaches these shit stains about basic, real world issues- budgeting, taxes, the economics of having a child. Parents passed the buck of child-rearing and responsibility a LONG time ago, so it's fair to expect that from our tax dollars since we have unrealistic expectations in other avenues where our tax dollars are spent. Just seems this would be the best investment of our tax dollars, while killing unnecessary debt.

Only clowns who were shamed into paying more than their worth would be opposed to something this simple and logical.

Huh? ITT Tech is a lot more expensive than going to say University of Texas.

[Will Hunting]

The biggest tech company in the world is actively invalidating the American college institution. They will educate you to their standards in a fraction of the time for a fraction of the price and will give you employment with a pay scale college graduates would be licking their chops at from first interviews out of college.

If you think you're above going to a trade school for the same degree, you're stupid. I know 3 ITT tech graduates making 6 figures, one making nearly seven figures and living in Abu Dhabi living the pimp life.

Murican College is a sham, it's dying because honest for-profit schools will get you that piece of paper for a fraction of the time and price of traditional colleges.

The times are killing businesses and job opportunities for professionals not in the medical, science, legal, tech or finance sectors. No need to accrue near 7-figure debt to become a $35k/year teacher where you will need 10 years of tenure to not be paid poverty wages.

Murica is boiling off the the useless/inessential "professions" that were already in ultra-minute-demand.


High schools need to be producing young adults with the proper tools that will help them accelerate in the real world and they haven't been doing that in over 20 years.

A revamped Home Economics needs to be mandatory and overhauled from a domestic wife prep class to a class that teaches these shit stains about basic, real world issues- budgeting, taxes, the economics of having a child. Parents passed the buck of child-rearing and responsibility a LONG time ago, so it's fair to expect that from our tax dollars since we have unrealistic expectations in other avenues where our tax dollars are spent. Just seems this would be the best investment of our tax dollars, while killing unnecessary debt.

Only clowns who were shamed into paying more than their worth would be opposed to something this simple and logical.
:lol the state university education I got costs a fraction of what an ITT Tech degree costs, and that was despite tuition prices being jacked up while I was in school.

[baseline bum]

:lol the state university education I got costs a fraction of what an ITT Tech degree costs, and that was despite tuition prices being jacked up while I was in school.

I heard they're horrible on textbooks too. Like you pay top dollar for books that can only be bought through them and used at their schools, and they're even worse than the crap you have to buy at universities. If you know anyone in school right now, you should point them to a thing called Library Genesis where you can download tons of textbooks for free. In math and physics for example, they seem to have almost everything except newest editions of some freshman level books. Since I have been studying Japanese lately I have been able to find most of the standard textbooks for it there too.

[Will Hunting]

I heard they're horrible on textbooks too. Like you pay top dollar for books that can only be bought through them and used at their schools, and they're even worse than the crap you have to buy at universities. If you know anyone in school right now, you should point them to a thing called Library Genesis where you can download tons of textbooks for free. In math and physics for example, they seem to have almost everything except newest editions of some freshman level books. Since I have been studying Japanese lately I have been able to find most of the standard textbooks for it there too.
Yeah at Arizona all the textbooks I had to buy could be bought used for a decent price. Sometimes there’s be a new edition and we’d get fucked since there weren’t any used copies for sale but it was manageable.

The new way students get screwed is when classes require you to buy some kind of online shit that’s usually owned by Pearson. The idea that privatizing education with companies like Pearson has made things cheaper is absurd.

[Chucho]

Huh? ITT Tech is a lot more expensive than going to say University of Texas.


Dunno about that. Buddies who graduated within the last decade who paid about $30k for their degree. Dunno about the other two because I didn't ask, but I know for a fact homie is making high six figures and is honestly leading the life most of the lifers here profess to lead.

[Chucho]

:lol the state university education I got costs a fraction of what an ITT Tech degree costs, and that was despite tuition prices being jacked up while I was in school.


That's good for you. Glad you didn't have to pay the exorbitant prices. The people I mentioned didn't pay what you're claiming. You're probably old.

[Blake]

Yeah at Arizona all the textbooks I had to buy could be bought used for a decent price. Sometimes there’s be a new edition and we’d get fucked since there weren’t any used copies for sale but it was manageable.

The new way students get screwed is when classes require you to buy some kind of online shit that’s usually owned by Pearson. The idea that privatizing education with companies like Pearson has made things cheaper is absurd.

Shit, sometimes I found the text book at the school library just checked it out

[Chucho]

Two different things

And thats why the current system is flawed. It puts money before actual talent.

That's why white people are so protective of the sham.

[Blake]

That's good for you. Glad you didn't have to pay the exorbitant prices. The people I mentioned didn't pay what you're claiming. You're probably old.

I like Chucho's anecdotes.

"In 2014, Time magazine ranked ITT Technical Institute No. 2 on its list of "The 5 Colleges That Leave the Most Students Crippled By Debt".[36]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITT_Technical_Institute

[Blake]

And thats why the current system is flawed. It puts money before actual talent.

That's why white people are so protective of the sham.

No, being two different things isn't the reason it's flawed.

[baseline bum]

Yeah at Arizona all the textbooks I had to buy could be bought used for a decent price. Sometimes there’s be a new edition and we’d get fucked since there weren’t any used copies for sale but it was manageable.

The new way students get screwed is when classes require you to buy some kind of online shit that’s usually owned by Pearson. The idea that privatizing education with companies like Pearson has made things cheaper is absurd.

I was fortunate at UCLA a lot of my professors would use $10 textbooks and when they didn't I'd get my friends to buy the foreign printings when they went home for holiday breaks. Got a lot of Iranian and Chinese printings of CS books for instance. The online subscription shit is a response to the cheap Indian editions of textbooks you can buy on ebay nowadays. Never had time to take all the physics courses I wanted to in college so I bought a shitload of those India Edition paperbacks for $15 each for books that cost $100+ in the US.

[Chucho]

I like Chucho's anecdotes.

"In 2014, Time magazine ranked ITT Technical Institute No. 2 on its list of "The 5 Colleges That Leave the Most Students Crippled By Debt".[36]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITT_Technical_Institute


OK, it's just easier to be direct. Show some balls and call me a liar directly. It won't hurt me and I won't insult you.

You think what you think and I know what I know.

[Chucho]

We've already been down this road. You couldn't Google rot gut liqour or California laws regarding spreading AIDS properly and you still tried your smug schtick.

Back on ignore you go.

[Blake]

OK, it's just easier to be direct. Show some balls and call me a liar directly. It won't hurt me and I won't insult you.

You think what you think and I know what I know.

Lol I don't think you're a flat liar as much as I think you're just ignorant.

[Blake]

We've already been down this road. You couldn't Google rot gut liqour or California laws regarding spreading AIDS properly and you still tried your smug schtick.

Back on ignore you go.

Lolwut? I have no idea wtf you're babbling about

[Chucho]

This message is hidden because Blake is on your ignore list (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist).

:lol

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/XDLMDjh/meme-philosophy-job.jpg

[Blake]

:lol

:lol thin skin

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I am supposed to believe more students equals more STEM courses?

We all know this will result in the already under qualified Liberal Arts departments ballooning in size. Furthermore imagine what it will do to the worth of that paper degree when even more have one.

Win-Win situation for Democrats as they program more foot soldiers

All or nothing is easier to grasp than proportional growth for you it seems.

[Blake]

https://i.ibb.co/XDLMDjh/meme-philosophy-job.jpg

The point of that chart is pretty spot on and should be passed out as a flyer to all high school seniors

[FuzzyLumpkins]

She is smart
If it would be free people would not study and learn
She has more smarts then 95 percent in this place

Current public education disproves this entirely in the US. Nevermind the rest of the world. If it is not compulsory then I see no mechanic that leads to what you claim moreso than the status quo of public education.

[spurraider21]

yes the meme about every college student being out of work is prevalent, but the facts simply dont back it up, on average. higher median income, lower unemployment rates. that said, i'd agree that people going to college need a plan... get the right degree and one that you can actually put to work. i know ben shapiro has his meme of everybody in college majoring in "lesbian dance theory" but the reality is most people in college end up increasing their prospects

https://www.northeastern.edu/bachelors-completion/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Annual_Earnings_Unemp_Rates_R2-1.png

https://www.northeastern.edu/bachelors-completion/news/average-salary-by-education-level/

[Blake]

yes the meme about every college student being out of work is prevalent, but the facts simply dont back it up, on average. higher median income, lower unemployment rates. that said, i'd agree that people going to college need a plan... get the right degree and one that you can actually put to work. i know ben shapiro has his meme of everybody in college majoring in "lesbian dance theory" but the reality is most people in college end up increasing their prospects

https://www.northeastern.edu/bachelors-completion/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Annual_Earnings_Unemp_Rates_R2-1.png

https://www.northeastern.edu/bachelors-completion/news/average-salary-by-education-level/

Yeah getting the "right" degree is the key.

Kids thinking they need to just get "a" degree from a good school are the ones that get fucked.

[DMX7]

Dunno about that. Buddies who graduated within the last decade who paid about $30k for their degree. Dunno about the other two because I didn't ask, but I know for a fact homie is making high six figures and is honestly leading the life most of the lifers here profess to lead.

Bullsh*t. ITT Tech closed down so there is no current tuition rates but for the last year in existence (2016), the tuition alone was $18,048 per year per this: https://www.univstats.com/colleges/itt-technical-institute-richardson/cost-of-attendance/

So with books and fees, you're looking at around $85-90K for a four year degree.

[Trainwreck2100]

College shouldn't be free but maybe give the schools more funding or find out why the fuck their tuition has skyrocketed. The money they spend on schools could probably be spent elsewhere if they just spend some to keep costs down instead of all of it to make it free.

[Trainwreck2100]

yes the meme about every college student being out of work is prevalent, but the facts simply dont back it up, on average. higher median income, lower unemployment rates. that said, i'd agree that people going to college need a plan... get the right degree and one that you can actually put to work. i know ben shapiro has his meme of everybody in college majoring in "lesbian dance theory" but the reality is most people in college end up increasing their prospects

https://www.northeastern.edu/bachelors-completion/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Annual_Earnings_Unemp_Rates_R2-1.png

https://www.northeastern.edu/bachelors-completion/news/average-salary-by-education-level/

Fixing to join that 2% in about a week

[ducks]

College shouldn't be free but maybe give the schools more funding or find out why the fuck their tuition has skyrocketed. The money they spend on schools could probably be spent elsewhere if they just spend some to keep costs down instead of all of it to make it free.

Maybe the schools do not need to be fancy either
It should not cost 100k for 4 years
The average couple would be in debt 500k once they got out bought cars and a house
At 4 percent interest thirty year 3k a month to pay the loan

[leemajors]

College shouldn't be free but maybe give the schools more funding or find out why the fuck their tuition has skyrocketed. The money they spend on schools could probably be spent elsewhere if they just spend some to keep costs down instead of all of it to make it free.

It's all the fat in administrative positions, mostly boomers that won't retire. The average age of a college president is 63, many of them over over 70.

[koriwhat]

Queen AOC destroys her

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adults should be treated as so. you sign off for debt you reap what you sow. these aren't kids signing off on loans to go to school so we need to start recognizing the situation for what it is; adults who aren't willing to take accountability for their own actions thus they deserve the debt they're in.

aoc is a clown trying to make us all live in her circus.

[Blake]

Fixing to join that 2% in about a week

Sorry to hear

[Blake]

adults should be treated as so. you sign off for debt you reap what you sow. these aren't kids signing off on loans to go to school so we need to start recognizing the situation for what it is; adults who aren't willing to take accountability for their own actions thus they deserve the debt they're in.

aoc is a clown trying to make us all live in her circus.

Stfu, druggy

[boutons_deux]

Devos is an idiot. She hates public education because she cashes in on for profit schools that typically offer the worst education especially the "colleges" -- not to mention the worst value for money.

she has some kind of connection, investment in college debt servicers/collectors, IIRC

[boutons_deux]

She have a speech about educating young people, in Christian madrasas, to prepare for the Kingdom of God

[tholdren]

yes the meme about every college student being out of work is prevalent, but the facts simply dont back it up, on average. higher median income, lower unemployment rates. that said, i'd agree that people going to college need a plan... get the right degree and one that you can actually put to work. i know ben shapiro has his meme of everybody in college majoring in "lesbian dance theory" but the reality is most people in college end up increasing their prospects

https://www.northeastern.edu/bachelors-completion/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Annual_Earnings_Unemp_Rates_R2-1.png

https://www.northeastern.edu/bachelors-completion/news/average-salary-by-education-level/

You dont understand stats then. You can essentially get an associates degree for.free.

[Spurminator]

When you can't argue against the actual merits of a policy, just call it socialism and watch the rubes fall in line.

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoRm6B9XMAASTQy?format=png&name=900x900