Today's gerontocracy: whispering campaign against Sen. Feinstein breaks out in the liberal press

[Winehole23]

Her staff says she can't remember things minutes after briefed on them, then berates her staff for not telling her.

She shouldn't have been been allowed to stand for reelection at age 85, tbh.


Schumer had several serious and painful talks with Feinstein, according to well-informed sources. Overtures were also made to enlist the help of Feinstein’s husband, Richard Blum. Feinstein, meanwhile, was surprised and upset by Schumer’s message. He had wanted her to step aside on her own terms, with her dignity intact, but “she wasn’t really all that aware of the extent to which she’d been compromised,” one well-informed Senate source told me. “It was hurtful and distressing to have it pointed out.” Compounding the problem, Feinstein seemed to forget about the conversations soon after they talked, so Schumer had to confront her again. “It was like Groundhog Day, but with the pain fresh each time.” Anyone who has tried to take the car keys away from an elderly relative knows how hard it can be, he said, adding that, in this case, “It wasn’t just about a car. It was about the U.S. Senate.”

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/dianne-feinsteins-missteps-raise-a-painful-age-question-among-senate-democrats

[hater]

This will be Joe in about 10 months

[hater]

:lol

https://twitter.com/derekahunter/status/1336894793985757186?s=19

[Will Hunting]

Just as a reminder she won re-election in 2018 (over another Democrat) largely thanks to Obama endorsing her.

Obama’s memoir about how much he wants to inspire young people is a crock of shit when he’s endorsing the likes of Feinstein and Tom Perez.

If it were up to me the age limit would probably be 75 or 80 but having people in Congress or the White House over 85 years old is so stupid. The cognitive decline with both Feinstein and Grassley is clear, they shouldn’t have senior leadership positions in DC setting policy for people who are actually going to be alive in 10 years.

[KobesAchilles]

I'd have a 2 term limit as well for these senators. 12 years in office is more than enough.

[MultiTroll]

If it were up to me the age limit would probably be ...... The cognitive decline...
Should this be applied to NBA coaches also?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Just as a reminder she won re-election in 2018 (over another Democrat) largely thanks to Obama endorsing her.

Obama’s memoir about how much he wants to inspire young people is a crock of shit when he’s endorsing the likes of Feinstein and Tom Perez.

If it were up to me the age limit would probably be 75 or 80 but having people in Congress or the White House over 85 years old is so stupid. The cognitive decline with both Feinstein and Grassley is clear, they shouldn’t have senior leadership positions in DC setting policy for people who are actually going to be alive in 10 years.
It's not just dems, Inhofe from Oklahoma is like 90

But realistically..... who else besides Biden could have defeated Trump in the general election? The Democratic candidates were all terrible but Jim Crow Joe was the only one good enough to beat Trump in enough relevant/purple states.

[Chris Fall]

If there's an age minimum, there should be an age max as well.

I'd set the age generously at 80, but would not be opposed to 75. And that 80 age line includes any point of the upcoming term. So, for example, if an incumbent Senator is 77 years old at the end of a term, he or she cannot run for re-election because he or she would turn 80 during the next term.

I'd do the same for Supreme Court Justices. 80 sounds about right for them too.

[Will Hunting]

It's not just dems, Inhofe from Oklahoma is like 90

But realistically..... who else besides Biden could have defeated Trump in the general election? The Democratic candidates were all terrible but Jim Crow Joe was the only one good enough to beat Trump in enough relevant/purple states.
Don Young (Alaska’s at large house rep) also just won re-election at the ripe age of 87 :lol

I think Sherrod Brown could have matched Biden’s performance, maybe even done better although that loses a valuable senate seat. Imo a few of the white male candidates who dropped out early on could have done it (ie Steve Bullock or Jay Inslee).

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo4zHU3XMAIw_EC?format=jpg&name=medium

[boutons_deux]

2 terms for Senators, 6 terms for Reps

12 years max for SCOTUS and all Federal judges.

Any state that doesn't have 4M people to be combined, for electing Senators, with other, adjacent sparse states. 2 Senators for the combined region of sparse states.

DC and PR for statehood (simple majority, both chambers)

EC abolished.

None of this will happen because America is constipated, is broken and can't fix itself, the status quo is defensively frozen by the governing oligarchy.

Increase 438 House seats to 600K max per House district

Gerrymandering forbidden, districts determined mathematically.

435 was set by the House 100 years ago (USA with 1/3 of the population and way less urbanization than now.)

[Millennial_Messiah]

Don Young (Alaska’s at large house rep) also just won re-election at the ripe age of 87 :lol

I think Sherrod Brown could have matched Biden’s performance, maybe even done better although that loses a valuable senate seat. Imo a few of the white male candidates who dropped out early on could have done it (ie Steve Bullock or Jay Inslee).
Good point on Sherrod Brown, but OH is turning into WV west quickly and Brown is basically Manchin at this point, a popular democrat in a red state, another democrat would almost certainly turn the state senate from purple to red.

Did Brown even attempt to run? I don't remember if so.

[Millennial_Messiah]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo4zHU3XMAIw_EC?format=jpg&name=medium

Obama tried to get in Merrick Garland who was already almost 70 IIRC. Trump was smarter and got 3 under 55's.

[DMX7]

This will be Joe in about 10 months

Joe still comes across to me as pretty energetic and sharp enough so his age was not a problem for me; however he is right at the maximum age allowable for such an important job IMO.

[spurraider21]

I'd do the same for Supreme Court Justices. 80 sounds about right for them too.
according to ST resident lawyer alan derpowitz, the president can fire supreme court justices :lol

[Spurtacular]

Her staff says she can't remember things minutes after briefed on them, then berates her staff for not telling her.

She shouldn't have been been allowed to stand for reelection at age 85, tbh.

He said, forgetting who he supported for president. :lol :lmao :rollin

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'd have a 2 term limit as well for these senators. 12 years in office is more than enough.

they should make house and sentor terms to 4 years and 2 term limits. 8 years in office is more than enough. 2 year terms means half their time is for campaigning.

[ElNono]

according to ST resident lawyer alan derpowitz, the president can fire supreme court justices :lol

:lol

[koriwhat]

This will be Joe in about 10 months

Lol 10 months or 10 seconds from now? The dude is a walking corpse that can't string a sentence together.

[koriwhat]

He said, forgetting who he supported for president. :lol :lmao :rollin

Right? Lmao

[Will Hunting]

Good point on Sherrod Brown, but OH is turning into WV west quickly and Brown is basically Manchin at this point, a popular democrat in a red state, another democrat would almost certainly turn the state senate from purple to red.

Did Brown even attempt to run? I don't remember if so.
He ultimately decided not to but was clearly considering it (ie multiple visits to Iowa and New Hampshire in 2019 when all the other candidates were declaring).

In 2024 his seat is going to be a tough hold for Dems but Ohio isn’t West Virginia :lol, Trump won Ohio by 8% and West Virginia by 40%. Not remotely comparable.

[daslicer]

Just as a reminder she won re-election in 2018 (over another Democrat) largely thanks to Obama endorsing her.

Obama’s memoir about how much he wants to inspire young people is a crock of shit when he’s endorsing the likes of Feinstein and Tom Perez.

If it were up to me the age limit would probably be 75 or 80 but having people in Congress or the White House over 85 years old is so stupid. The cognitive decline with both Feinstein and Grassley is clear, they shouldn’t have senior leadership positions in DC setting policy for people who are actually going to be alive in 10 years.

I don't even think the founding fathers ever had this country set up with the intent that people who are 70-80 plus would be in charge of running the country. Back in the day before WW2 life expectancy was only 50-60 years which resulted in quicker generational shifts when it came to having a new crop of politicians. I feel one of the biggest problems is we have people who by being too old are out of touch with the current problems of America. For example a person like Biden who is 78 would have no clue how technology advancements have effected the job market and displaced millions of people out of work. He also would not be able to relate to people when it comes to college expenses considering despite being poor he was able to afford college when he was going to school in the 60's. Back then you could work a summer job at McDonald and pay off your college tuition. Factor in cognitive decline plus being out of touch equals a person who has no clue what they are doing.

[daslicer]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo4zHU3XMAIw_EC?format=jpg&name=medium

The most important leader for the Republicans with Trump being gone is Mitch who is above the age 70. That's the one that matters the most.

[koriwhat]

I don't even think the founding fathers ever had this country set up with the intent that people who are 70-80 plus would be in charge of running the country. Back in the day before WW2 life expectancy was only 50-60 years which resulted in quicker generational shifts when it came to having a new crop of politicians. I feel one of the biggest problems is we have people who by being too old are out of touch with the current problems of America. For example a person like Biden who is 78 would have no clue how technology advancements have effected the job market and displaced millions of people out of work. He also would not be able to relate to people when it comes to college expenses considering despite being poor he was able to afford college when he was going to school in the 60's. Back then you could work a summer job at McDonald and pay off your college tuition. Factor in cognitive decline plus being out of touch equals a person who has no clue what they are doing.

:tu

[boutons_deux]

I feel one of the biggest problems is we have people who by being too old are out of touch with the current problems of America.

I think a bigger problem for any age pol or judge is that they are a plutocracy, a tiny number of wealthy rulers, multi-millionaires, cent-millionaires (Pelosi).

I remember when one of the appeals candidates made was "We were poor", meaning he grew up in the 1930s.

You don't hear that anymore because recent poor stay poor for life, die younger, and don't run for Congress,

while the wealthy stay wealthy and run the country to their benefit only, with no accountability.

[daslicer]

I think a bigger problem for any age pol or judge is that they are a plutocracy, a tiny number of wealthy rulers, multi-millionaires, cent-millionaires (Pelosi).

I remember when one of the appeals candidates made was "We were poor", meaning he grew up in the 1930s.

You don't hear that anymore because recent poor stay poor for life, die younger, and don't run for Congress,

while the wealthy stay wealthy and run the country to their benefit only, with no accountability.

Agreed

[koriwhat]

the wealthy stay wealthy and run the country to their benefit only, with no accountability.

Says the guy who voted in a DuPont mansion owner who's in bed with the CCP.

[Reck]

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This stupid old hag.

[Winehole23]

Chuck Grassley, 88 years old, to run for re-election to the US Senate next year

https://theweek.com/2022-election/1005298/iowa-sen-chuck-grassley-is-running-for-re-election-in-2022-when-hell-be-89

[Winehole23]

Nancy Pelosi is 82.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/591339-pelosi-says-she-will-run-for-reelection-in-2022

[boutons_deux]

Remember Henry b Gonzalez at the end had to be carried in to Congress,an invalid physically and mentally

[Winehole23]

Remember Henry b Gonzalez at the end had to be carried in to Congress,an invalid physically and mentallyHenry B was one of the all-time greats. He retired at age 81.

Helped desegregate public accommodations in SA before becoming the first Mexican-American to serve in the Texas Senate since the 1850s. Was the first Mexican-American elected to Congress from Texas in 1961. Did yeoman's work on the banking committee. Took on the Fed, investigated the S&L crisis, shepherded the Congressional bank bailout and broke the Lavoro scandal. Helped saved the FDIC from privatization when it went broke. Amazing public servant, beholden to no one but his own conscience and his own constituents.

Did he hang onto it too long? Probably so.

[Winehole23]

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[Thread]

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We/RINO's/fakers finally got up and out of the bed with them. Sadly, tragically; once President Trump is put down we'll hop right back in said bed and a return to that status quo will be achieved.

ADDENDUM:::Sweet Jesus was I all wet on this one, though, "Sadly, tragically" still remains cogent. She's losing her mind.

I remember when her and Boxer came in, Boxer was hot then.

[Winehole23]

^^^ Penthouse Forum submission

[Thread]

^^^ Penthouse Forum submission

Absolutely, I could write a nice (letter) about Boxer, no problem.

[Winehole23]

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[Trainwreck2100]

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Boomers not getting out the way and fucking over GenX so hard

[Winehole23]

whispering campaign in the liberal press

a lot of Dems are too damn old. excepting Trump and Grassley, it's far less of a problem on the GOP side.


Just a year and a half into his first term, Mr. Biden is already more than a year older than Ronald Reagan was at the end of two terms. If he mounts another campaign in 2024, Mr. Biden would be asking the country to elect a leader who would be 86 at the end of his tenure, testing the outer boundaries of age and the presidency. Polls show many Americans consider Mr. Biden too old, and some Democratic strategists do not think he should run again (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/11/us/politics/biden-2024-election-democrats.html).



It is, unsurprisingly, a sensitive topic in the West Wing. In interviews, some sanctioned by the White House and some not, more than a dozen current and former senior officials and advisers uniformly reported that Mr. Biden remained intellectually engaged, asking smart questions at meetings, grilling aides on points of dispute, calling them late at night, picking out that weak point on Page 14 of a memo and rewriting speeches like his abortion remarks on Friday (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/08/us/politics/biden-abortion-executive-order.html) right up until the last minute.


But they acknowledged Mr. Biden looks older than just a few years ago, a political liability that cannot be solved by traditional White House stratagems like staff shake-ups or new communications plans. His energy level, while impressive for a man of his age, is not what it was, and some aides quietly watch out for him. He often shuffles when he walks, and aides worry he will trip on a wire. He stumbles over words during public events, and they hold their breath to see if he makes it to the end without a gaffe.[/COLOR]


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/09/us/politics/biden-age-democrats.html

[ElNono]

whispering campaign in the liberal press

a lot of Dems are too damn old. excepting Trump and Grassley, it's far less of a problem on the GOP side.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/09/us/politics/biden-age-democrats.html

He's too damn old. He was too old to run in the last election already, something some of us commented on back in the primaries. But now you can't hide him and that was already embarrassing back then.

Dems need a Newsom-Buttplug ticket or something like that...

[Winehole23]

He's too damn old. He was too old to run in the last election already, something some of us commented on back in the primaries. But now you can't hide him and that was already embarrassing back then.

Dems need a Newsom-Buttplug ticket or something like that...Buzz increasing around JB Pritzker, but he's probably not well enough known.

[Th'Pusher]

Buzz increasing around JB Pritzker, but he's probably not well enough known.

I kinda like Jared Polis, the Colorado governor, but he’s probably not well known enough either.

[Winehole23]

Most Democrats surveyed in a poll released early Monday said they would prefer a candidate other than President Biden (https://thehill.com/people/joe-biden/)as the party’s nominee in 2024.


The New York Times/Siena College poll found that (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/us/politics/biden-approval-polling-2024.html) 64 percent of Democrats questioned said they would prefer a different candidate. Twenty-six percent of Democrats said they would still support Biden in the next presidential election.






When asked why they would support a new candidate, 33 percent of Democrats cited age as their main reason, 32 percent said job performance, 12 percent said they will prefer someone new and 10 percent said Biden is not progressive enough.
https://thehill.com/homenews/3552202-most-democrats-prefer-new-presidential-candidate-in-2024-poll/

[Winehole23]

Old Joe is out of step with the base.

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[DMC]

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[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXgdY9dXEAAhuxp?format=jpg&name=smallhttps://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3553898-doomsday-political-scenario-takes-shape-for-democrats/

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Remember Henry b Gonzalez at the end had to be carried in to Congress,an invalid physically and mentally


Henry B was one of the all-time greats. He retired at age 81.

Helped desegregate public accommodations in SA before becoming the first Mexican-American to serve in the Texas Senate since the 1850s. Was the first Mexican-American elected to Congress from Texas in 1961. Did yeoman's work on the banking committee. Took on the Fed, investigated the S&L crisis, shepherded the Congressional bank bailout and broke the Lavoro scandal. Helped saved the FDIC from privatization when it went broke. Amazing public servant, beholden to no one but his own conscience and his own constituents.

Did he hang onto it too long? Probably so.Fucking William Safire


The Democrats have their election-year Watergate, but only Henry Gonzalez of San Antonio understands it. House Judiciary should trigger independent prosecution now.

https://www.nytimes.com/1992/04/27/opinion/essay-bush-s-lavoro-scandal.html

[Winehole23]

Boomers not getting out the way and fucking over GenX so hardFirst generation without a guarantee of doing better than their parents, which used to be the default assumption post WWII. Chances were better than now, though. College cost a fraction of what it does now back in the 1980s and early 90s. Rent too. 1980 was an inflection point, the New Democrats of the late 1980s and early 1990s confirmed the turn when they turned their backs on the New Deal coalition in favor of corporate donors.
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[Winehole23]

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[SnakeBoy]

Dianne Feinstein's unceremonious exit from Congress
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dianne-feinstein-s-unceremonious-exit-from-congress/ar-AA17FTzu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=59c7605c66fd40a5e3fd2165f1385224

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) announced an end to her more than 30 years in the Senate this week, not with a bang, but with a confused exchange with reporters in the halls of the Capitol.

Feinstein, 89, corrected reporters who asked about a statement released by her office moments earlier that revealed her intention to retire when her term ends next year.

“If I haven't made that decision, I haven't released anything,” Feinstein told reporters, only to be informed by an aide that she had, in fact, sent out a press release.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dianne Feinstein's unceremonious exit from Congress
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dianne-feinstein-s-unceremonious-exit-from-congress/ar-AA17FTzu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=59c7605c66fd40a5e3fd2165f1385224

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) announced an end to her more than 30 years in the Senate this week, not with a bang, but with a confused exchange with reporters in the halls of the Capitol.

Feinstein, 89, corrected reporters who asked about a statement released by her office moments earlier that revealed her intention to retire when her term ends next year.

“If I haven't made that decision, I haven't released anything,” Feinstein told reporters, only to be informed by an aide that she had, in fact, sent out a press release.

I find it amusing that she is not being hammered by the right media machine for the $200m she has made with clear abuse of her committee position.

https://unusualwhales.com/politics

[Winehole23]

Feinstein is dead weight and should retire. Unfortunately, she seems to lack the self-awareness to do so



Feinstein’s absence has already forced her party to change how they run the Senate, where Democrats can’t move President Joe Biden’s judicial picks without her votehttps://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/12/dianne-feinstein-condition-senate-return-00091765

[Will Hunting]

Schumer needs to stop being a pussy and replace her on the judiciary committee.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Schumer needs to stop being a pussy and replace her on the judiciary committee.

The last ten years have seen a massive overhaul of the judiciary from low to high. It's been the only agency of change since 2001 locked things down.

Politico has been reporting that Feinstein is not cognitively functional relying on staff to function for over a year. The problem with the shingles is she cannot move and be around others.

Schumer's boss doesn't want to lose that chair.

[Will Hunting]

The last ten years have seen a massive overhaul of the judiciary from low to high. It's been the only agency of change since 2001 locked things down.

Politico has been reporting that Feinstein is not cognitively functional relying on staff to function for over a year. The problem with the shingles is she cannot move and be around others.

Schumer's boss doesn't want to lose that chair.
What are you talking about? Schumer can replace Feinstein with someone else on the judiciary committee at the drop of a hat, you don’t lose anything by doing so.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What are you talking about? Schumer can replace Feinstein with someone else on the judiciary committee at the drop of a hat, you don’t lose anything by doing so.

I am pretty sure chair's have to be selected by vote. I don't know all that much about Senate rules.

And I am talking about the Feinstien and the Senate seat she stands for being the most paid for seat in history. Her replacement is not nearly as bought out.

She is demented and has been that way for months. They still trot her out. They are going to wait out the shingles and trot her corpse out again.

[MultiTroll]

:lmao US government

[Will Hunting]

I am pretty sure chair's have to be selected by vote. I don't know all that much about Senate rules.

And I am talking about the Feinstien and the Senate seat she stands for being the most paid for seat in history. Her replacement is not nearly as bought out.

She is demented and has been that way for months. They still trot her out. They are going to wait out the shingles and trot her corpse out again.
Diane Feinstein isnt judiciary chair dingus, Durbin is. She’s just on the committee and her vote is needed to advance nominees.

[TSA]

Her own party started calling for her resignation today…will be entertaining watching this play out.

[Will Hunting]

Her own party started calling for her resignation today…will be entertaining watching this play out.
Hopefully someone slips rat poison in her matzah ball soup

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Diane Feinstein isnt judiciary chair dingus, Durbin is. She’s just on the committee and her vote is needed to advance nominees.

Okay. They still trotted her out when she had no mental faculty. The DNC and her backers are pushing back hard from ousting her trying to let the shingles pass. Schumer is not doing what you want.

Why do you think that is?

[Will Hunting]

Okay. They still trotted her out when she had no mental faculty. The party and her backers are pushing back hard from ousting her trying to let the shingles pass. Schumer is not doing what you want.

Why do you think that is?
Because he’s feckless and incompetent and because the Democratic Party is managed as a gerontocracy?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Because he’s feckless and incompetent and because the Democratic Party is managed as a gerontocracy?

This smacks of a "if I were Schumer" narrative. I think you give him more authority than he has. He can rally votes and the like but he is not overlord of the Senate.

And the system is setup such that you have no term limits and single member districts that are easily paid for by the oligarchy. It turns into an investment over time. Old representatives is a symptom not the disease.

[Will Hunting]

This smacks of a "if I were Schumer" narrative. I think you give him more authority than he has. He can rally votes and the like but he is not overlord of the Senate.

And the system is setup such that you have no term limits and single member districts that are easily paid for by the oligarchy. It turns into an investment over time. Old representatives is a symptom not the disease.
Each caucus’s leader can remove and add people to committees from their party as they wish. It’s rare that they make committee changes mid session, but they 100% have the authority to. That’s how the senate rules work. There aren’t votes for who gets to go on each committee.

The fact you thought Feinstein was judiciary committee chair shows how uninformed you are.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Each caucus’s leader can remove and add people to committees from their party as they wish. It’s rare that they make committee changes mid session, but they 100% have the authority to. That’s how the senate rules work. There aren’t votes for who gets to go on each committee.

The fact you thought Feinstein was judiciary committee chair shows how uninformed you are.

Ahh yes the ad hominem attack. I made a mistake so everything I say is invalid. That you resort makes me feel your position weak.

And yeah. . .


While Senate rules are fairly clear regarding how nominations are to be approved, they do not
address how the nominations of Senators to committees are to be made. In practice, each party
vests its conference with the authority to make nominations to standing committees. Senate
Republicans primarily use a Committee on Committees for this purpose, although the Republican
leader nominates Senators for assignment to some standing committees. Senate Democrats use a
Steering and Outreach Committee to nominate Democrats for assignment to all standing
committees. The processes these two panels use are distinct, but the nominations of each panel
require the approval of the full party conference and, ultimately, the Senate. Senate approval of
the committee nominations of its parties usually is pro forma because the Senate respects the
work of each party.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RL/RL30743#:~:text=Senate%20Republicans%20primarily%2 0use%20a,assignment%20to%20all%20standing%20commit tees.

Perhaps you can show me the part where the senate leader can do whatever he wants with committee members.

[Will Hunting]

:lmao right on cue, Feinstein volunteers to be removed from the judiciary committee

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/04/12/khanna-feinstein-resignation/

So much for all the conspiracy theories about muh oligarchy :lol

[Will Hunting]

Ahh yes the ad hominem attack. I made a mistake so everything I say is invalid. That you resort makes me feel your position weak.

And yeah. . .



https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RL/RL30743#:~:text=Senate%20Republicans%20primarily%2 0use%20a,assignment%20to%20all%20standing%20commit tees.

Perhaps you can show me the part where the senate leader can do whatever he wants with committee members.
:lmao that’s from 2006

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lmao that’s from 2006

And we compare and contrast with your evidence. this is boring.

[Will Hunting]

And we compare and contrast with your evidence. this is boring.
:lmao Dianne Feinstein as judiciary chair

Fucking retard

[TSA]

And we compare and contrast with your evidence. this is boring.

this is boring aka I got my shit pushed in

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lmao Dianne Feinstein as judiciary chair

Fucking retard

You seem upset. Feinstein had been a chair of various committees since the 1980s. I had not realized she had lost her spot a few years ago. Oh well.

I went ahead and found the Dec 2022 rules:

https://www.democrats.senate.gov/rules-for-the-democratic-conference

They still use the same 2 panel then party vote system.

Schumer cannot act alone; that is now established. Feinstein is no longer judiciary chair.

The corpse is staying in for now.

[Will Hunting]

You seem upset. Feinstein had been a chair of various committees since the 1980s. I had not realized she had lost her spot a few years ago. Oh well.

I went ahead and found the Dec 2022 rules:

https://www.democrats.senate.gov/rules-for-the-democratic-conference

They still use the same 2 panel then party vote system.

Schumer cannot act alone; that is now established. Feinstein is no longer judiciary chair.

The corpse is staying in for now.
:lmao Feinstein isnt “no longer” judiciary committee chair, she never was judiciary committee chair. It’s now Durbin and it was Leahy when the Dems had a majority from 2007 - 2014.

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

She also literally just volunteered to be taken off the judiciary committee completely. Try and keep up.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/04/12/khanna-feinstein-resignation/

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lmao Feinstein isnt “no longer” judiciary committee chair, she never was judiciary committee chair. It’s now Durbin and it was Leahy when the Dems had a majority from 2007 - 2014.

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

She also literally just volunteered to be taken off the judiciary committee completely. Try and keep up.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/04/12/khanna-feinstein-resignation/

That still makes you wrong about Schumer's scope of authority. :lol Idiot

[ElNono]

Her own party started calling for her resignation today…will be entertaining watching this play out.

That's roughly 10 years too late, tbh

[baseline bum]

Hopefully someone slips rat poison in her matzah ball soup

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/421/543/341.gif

[SnakeBoy]

1656418713657065478

[Winehole23]

From the standpoint of survival, it's probably advantageous to be a US Senator rather than a private citizen. Sen. Feinstein may have a good faith incentive to cling to power on the basis of her recent poor health. Her obvious cognitive deterioration only underscores this tendency.

It's a shame nobody loves her enough to make her stop.

[Winehole23]

1687271650994147328

[Winehole23]

Feinstein was recently hospitalized from a fall at home.

These incipient corpses need to be moved aside so capable people can wield power.

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[baseline bum]

Feinstein was recently hospitalized from a fall at home.

These incipient corpses need to be moved aside so capable people can wield power.

1696937240281178518

Yes hopefully he's able to rest in peace

[SnakeBoy]

Yes hopefully he's able to rest in peace

His place in Heaven is guaranteed after taking the SC and getting Roe overturned.

[koriwhat]

I can't wait until she's 6 ft under in a Chinese piece of shit casket and same goes for the other Chinese sellout Swalwell.

[Spurs Homer]

I can't wait until she's 6 ft under in a Chinese piece of shit casket and same goes for the other Chinese sellout Swalwell.

it must be…wednesday…

kori-twat wishing death on more humans!

[koriwhat]

it must be…wednesday…

kori-twat wishing death on more humans!

I guess you're ok with our Politicians being bought and paid for by the CCP as they get paraded around and screwed by CCP spies? Says a lot more about you than me bro but go on and stay mentally ill like always! :tu

[CosmicCowboy]

McConnell freezes are classic Parkinsons disease.

[SnakeBoy]

They need to teach him to say "anyway" before he goes blank

[scott]

McDonnell and Feinstein's families are guilty of dereliction of basic human dignity at this point.

[ChumpDumper]

McDonnell and Feinstein's families are guilty of dereliction of basic human dignity at this point.I can kind of see Cocaine Mitch sniffing it out to the end to keep a Democrat from succeeding him even temporarily. Feinstein really needs to go.

[CosmicCowboy]

McDonnell and Feinstein's families are guilty of dereliction of basic human dignity at this point.

So is Jill Biden.

[CosmicCowboy]

I can kind of see Cocaine Mitch sniffing it out to the end to keep a Democrat from succeeding him even temporarily. Feinstein really needs to go.

How would a Democrat succeed him in leading the senate minority?

[Extra Stout]

How would a Democrat succeed him in leading the senate minority?

The Governor of Kentucky is a Democrat. If McConnell stepped down, Beshear would appoint a Democrat.

[Winehole23]

The Governor of Kentucky is a Democrat. If McConnell stepped down, Beshear would appoint a Democrat.KY sort of took the appointment power away from the the governor two years ago after Beshear was elected.


Whereas state law previously allowed the sitting governor to make his or her own appointment to fill a Senate vacancy with no restrictions, Senate Bill 228 passed by the Kentucky legislature in the 2021 session changed that.

Under the amended law, the governor now may only choose from three names recommended by the executive committee of the outgoing senator's state party, and must make that selection within 21 days of receiving the list from the party.https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2023/07/28/heres-how-kentuckys-law-works-for-filling-u-s-senate-vacancies/70484359007/

[scott]

So is Jill Biden.

Brandon is old, and make no mistake I don't want olds in office, but it's not even the same ballpark today... though not sure how many years away we are.

I will say however, that its wild that Dementia Joe is still more coherent than Trump has been in last 20 years.

[DarrinS]

These incipient corpses need to be moved aside so capable people can wield power.


Agreed. Including Joe.

[DarrinS]

Brandon is old, and make no mistake I don't want olds in office, but it's not even the same ballpark today... though not sure how many years away we are.

I will say however, that its wild that Dementia Joe is still more coherent than Trump has been in last 20 years.

That last sentence is laughable.

[scott]

That last sentence is laughable.


Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, okay, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, okay, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right — who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.

[baseline bum]

ROFL built a fortune. Got gifted a fortune from daddy.

[ChumpDumper]

KY sort of took the appointment power away from the the governor two years ago after Beshear was elected.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2023/07/28/heres-how-kentuckys-law-works-for-filling-u-s-senate-vacancies/70484359007/

Thanks for the update. :lol scared ass Republicans

[ChumpDumper]

Agreed. Including Joe.

You're voting for Trump again.:lmao

[Ef-man]

You're voting for Trump again.:lmao

Was there ever any doubt “muh zip code boy” was going to do otherwise? :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Was there ever any doubt “muh zip code boy” was going to do otherwise? :lolOf course he's fine with an 80 year old president as long as it's his daddy.

[Thread]

Of course he's fine with an 80 year old president as long as it's his daddy.

Well, you're still sore as hell over the gigantic fuck up you made with RBG. Now, they'll have to be taken out in a body bag before you'll yelp "uncle."

[CosmicCowboy]

Brandon is old, and make no mistake I don't want olds in office, but it's not even the same ballpark today... though not sure how many years away we are.

I will say however, that its wild that Dementia Joe is still more coherent than Trump has been in last 20 years.

Agree that Trump is an idiot, but he has always been that way. Joes accelerated mental deterioration is painfully obvious and there is no way he will be able to function for six more years. Jill is probably the only one that could convince him not to run in 2024 but she clearly likes being first lady.

[Thread]

Joes accelerated mental deterioration is painfully obvious and there is no way he will be able to function for six more years. Jill is probably the only one that could convince him not to run in 2024 but she clearly likes being first lady.

All he needs though, CC, is to make it alive till January of '25, get sworn then resign a few days later. Give it to Harris, they run like madmen to recruit who else for VP? Hillary Clinton. Harris takes Biden's 2nd 4 years, then gives it over to Clinton who will finally make President.

The motherfuckers.

[Winehole23]

Agree that Trump is an idiot, but he has always been that way. Joes accelerated mental deterioration is painfully obvious and there is no way he will be able to function for six more years. Jill is probably the only one that could convince him not to run in 2024 but she clearly likes being first lady.Denying that Trump is sundowning is a tell.

[Winehole23]

CC's going to vote for him again. He'll continue to lie about it.

[CosmicCowboy]

CC's going to vote for him again. He'll continue to lie about it.

LOL @ Whinehole and his fantasy world.

[Winehole23]

LOL @ Whinehole and his fantasy world.you're such a big bullshitter

[CosmicCowboy]

you're such a big bullshitter

You seem to be the one with the hate, Whinehole. I just laugh at you.

[Winehole23]

You seem to be the one with the hate, Whinehole. I just laugh at you.uh huh

https://img.ifunny.co/images/1b938e93fd53b02f26ac56ac4d23afb5815d3d037337926065 d8e9b74212d765_1.jpg

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL @ Whinehole and his fantasy world.

So you are not voting GOP?

[ChumpDumper]

So you are not voting GOP?

He'll claim to not vote for president. Straight GOP otherwise.

[CosmicCowboy]

I will say again. I seriously hope that neither Biden or Trump are on the ballot in 2024.

[Winehole23]

I will say again. I seriously hope that neither Biden or Trump are on the ballot in 2024.so you can vote for the second place fascist with a good conscience. so noted.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I will say again. I seriously hope that neither Biden or Trump are on the ballot in 2024.

You are evading the question. Will you be voting GOP?

[CosmicCowboy]

You are evading the question. Will you be voting GOP?

For the most part. I normally switch on a few state and local choices.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

For the most part. I normally switch on a few state and local choices.

So the you will be voting for the GOP presidential candidate. Personally in your position I would abstain or vote 3rd party but to each their own.

[CosmicCowboy]

So the you will be voting for the GOP presidential candidate. Personally in your position I would abstain or vote 3rd party but to each their own.

I am not sure why you guys are so obsessed with my voting choices but I did not vote for either Biden or Trump last time and will do the same if that is the choice again in 2024. I also voted for Mike Collier for Lieutenant Governor since Dan Patrick sucks so bad. I also voted for Judith Zaffarini for Texas senate, she has done a good job..

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I am not sure why you guys are so obsessed with my voting choices but I did not vote for either Biden or Trump last time and will do the same if that is the choice again in 2024. I also voted for Mike Collier for Lieutenant Governor since Dan Patrick sucks so bad. I also voted for Judith Zaffarini for Texas senate.

Come on, CC. You were being strangely coy about the whole thing. Bully on you for thinking for yourself.

[ChumpDumper]

I am not sure why you guys are so obsessed with my voting choices but I did not vote for either Biden or Trump last time and will do the same if that is the choice again in 2024. I also voted for Mike Collier for Lieutenant Governor since Dan Patrick sucks so bad. I also voted for Judith Zaffarini for Texas senate, she has done a good job..Which Biden policies do you oppose so strongly?

[CosmicCowboy]

Come on, CC. You were being strangely coy about the whole thing. Bully on you for thinking for yourself.

i find it hilarious that Whinehole and the Chump accuse me of voting straight ticket as if it is something "bad" when they both admit to voting straight ticket themselves.

[ChumpDumper]

i find it hilarious that Whinehole and the Chump accuse me of voting straight ticket as if it is something "bad" when they both admit to voting straight ticket themselves.Straight ticket Republican is bad. There's no other recourse against you these days.

If anyone in your party broke away from Trump worship and book banning, etc., I'd consider voting GOP again.

Your representatives are spineless.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

i find it hilarious that Whinehole and the Chump accuse me of voting straight ticket as if it is something "bad" when they both admit to voting straight ticket themselves.

Yeah chump is trying his OCD Socratic method with you. He definitely has an axe to grind. I wonder who deleted the thread about it.

[Winehole23]

i find it hilarious that Whinehole and the Chump accuse me of voting straight ticket as if it is something "bad" when they both admit to voting straight ticket themselves.another strawman, neither of us said this.

it's the bullshitting that grates.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah chump is trying his OCD Socratic method with you. He definitely has an axe to grind. I wonder who deleted the thread about it.Nah, I honestly wanted to know what Biden policies he opposed so strongly.

You definitely have an axe to grind. Start another thread if your feelings guide you there.

[ChumpDumper]

another strawman, neither of us said this..I did.

Provoking him is often the only way to get him to answer anything honestly. The angry insults that follow are always entertaining.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nah, I honestly wanted to know what Biden policies he opposed so strongly.

You definitely have an axe to grind. Start another thread if your feelings guide you there.

I have already told you I dislike you and told you why. I don't hide from it.

Do you know who deleted it?

[ChumpDumper]

I have already told you I dislike you and told you why. I don't hide from it.Yes, you have an axe to grind.


Do you know who deleted it?No. What's your conspiracy theory?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes, you have an axe to grind.

No. What's your conspiracy theory?

Your question is shit as usual. I don't ask questions I already know the answer to because I don't need such tactics to make my arguments. That is as I have told you one reason I dislike you.

[ChumpDumper]

Your question is shit as usual. I don't ask questions I already know the answer to because I don't need such tactics to make my arguments. That is as I have told you one reason I dislike you.I know you don't know the answer. That's why whatever you think happened would be your conspiracy theory.

Who do you think deleted your precious thread and why?

I dislike you because you're going to try to weasel out of answering.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I know you don't know the answer. That's why whatever you think happened would be your conspiracy theory.

Who do you think deleted your precious thread and why?

I dislike you because you're going to try to weasel out of answering.

I just told you that I don't ask questions I don't know the answer to. That you resort to this nonsense when your shitty question is not answered in the manner you want is another reason I dislike you.

[CosmicCowboy]

Which Biden policies do you oppose so strongly?

Massive executive overreach on regulations
forcing SEC to require ESG compliance
Insane border policy 8 million illegal aliens since he took office
refusal to see that oil and gas will be critical for years to come, unrealistic deadlines
Was a pussy in creeping in to support Ukraine. Should have approved F16s immediately and started training pilots. Ukraine is bleeding this summer because they didn't and don't have air superiority.
thinks men competing in womens sports is "a complicated issue" It's pretty fucking simple.


just a few.

[ChumpDumper]

I just told you that I don't ask questions I don't know the answer to. That you resort to this nonsense when your shitty question is not answered in the manner you want is another reason I dislike you.:lol weaseling again

It's a simple question to which I don't know the answer and you obviously have your suspicions.

Who do you think deleted your precious thread and why?

[ChumpDumper]

Massive executive overreach on regulations
forcing SEC to require ESG compliance
Insane border policy 8 million illegal aliens since he took office
refusal to see that oil and gas will be critical for years to come, unrealistic deadlines
Was a pussy in creeping in to support Ukraine. Should have approved F16s immediately and started training pilots. Ukraine is bleeding this summer because they didn't and don't have air superiority.
thinks men competing in womens sports is "a complicated issue" It's pretty fucking simple.


just a few.So equally as bad as Trump.

Thanks for answering finally.

[ChumpDumper]

Insane border policy 8 million illegal aliens since he took office
What is this number btw?

Are you implying the US has 8 million new undocumented residents?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol weaseling again

It's a simple question to which I don't know the answer and you obviously have your suspicions.

Who do you think deleted your precious thread and why?

Whenever I say your question is shit it means that the premise of your question is false. Do you need help with waht the premise is or the logical conclusion?

[ChumpDumper]

Whenever I say your question is shit it means that the premise of your question is false. Do you need help with waht the premise is or the logical conclusion?Your thread wasn't deleted?

Why did you say it was?

[CosmicCowboy]

What is this number btw?

Are you implying the US has 8 million new undocumented residents?

yes

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Your thread wasn't deleted?

Why did you say it was?

your question was "what's your conspiracy theory?" not "was your thread deleted?"

[ChumpDumper]

your question was "what's your conspiracy theory?" not "was your thread deleted?"

Doesn't look deleted tbh.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Doesn't look deleted tbh.

I looked at all my created threads in the political forum. First page went to 2017 and didn't see it.

[ChumpDumper]

I looked at all my created threads in the political forum. First page went to 2017 and didn't see it.

User error.

It hasn't been deleted.

Another conspiracy theory bites the dust.:lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

User error.

It hasn't been deleted.

Another conspiracy theory bites the dust.:lol

Bump it then because I just looked again.

I went to single mode search and looked up threads I started. It still was not there.

[Ef-man]

yes

Uh huh

“When adding 6,547,514 official CBP total national apprehensions and confirmed 1,454,805 gotaways from January 2021 through April 2023, and at least 60,327 gotaways The Center Square reported last month, illegal border crossers since Biden's been in office total at least 8,062,646.”


https://highlandcountypress.com/illegal-aliens-2021-total-more-individual-populations-38-states-illegal-crossings-top (https://highlandcountypress.com/illegal-aliens-2021-total-more-individual-populations-38-states-illegal-crossings-top-8-million#gsc.tab=0)

[ChumpDumper]

Bump it then because I just looked again.

I went to single mode search and looked up threads I started. It still was not there.User error.

I'm not here to hold your hand.

This is why I dislike you.

[ChumpDumper]

yes


Uh huh

“When adding 6,547,514 official CBP total national apprehensions and confirmed 1,454,805 gotaways from January 2021 through April 2023, and at least 60,327 gotaways The Center Square reported last month, illegal border crossers since Biden's been in office total at least 8,062,646.”


https://highlandcountypress.com/illegal-aliens-2021-total-more-individual-populations-38-states-illegal-crossings-top (https://highlandcountypress.com/illegal-aliens-2021-total-more-individual-populations-38-states-illegal-crossings-top-8-million#gsc.tab=0)

:lol CC is stunningly wrong again

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol CC is stunningly wrong again

The fuck? Illegal border crossings are over 8 million just like I said.

[ChumpDumper]

The fuck? Illegal border crossings are over 8 million just like I said.Then you can't read simple English because that was not my question.

Pick your poison.:lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

User error.

I'm not here to hold your hand.

This is why I dislike you.

Your assertion, your proof.

Anyone else is welcome to look for themselves. I do not find you credible.

BTW you can make more unsupported claims if you like. I'm not going to continue to argue with someone who won't back his word on a claim.

To the rest of the forum: Click search at the top. click the single mode search tab. put "FuzzyLumpkins" in username and pick "find threads started by user" from the drop down menu next to that field. then click search When I did it "The Chumpdumper OCD Socratic Method Thread" I made this year does not appear.

[CosmicCowboy]

Then you can't read simple English because that was not my question.

Pick your poison.:lol

apparently you can't

my original statement you tried to quibble over


Insane border policy 8 million illegal aliens since he took office

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Interesting. I just logged into another account and voila it was there. So that means someone banned me from the thread on this account.

You know anything about that Chumpie?

[scott]

apparently you can't

my original statement you tried to quibble over

I think the point here, my friend, is that you claimed there are "8 million illegal aliens since he took office". You then clarified that by saying that there are 8 million more undocumented residents since then.

However, 8 million illegal border crossings does not equate to 8 million more undocumented residents, especially since 6.5 million of those were apprehended.

It does raise an interesting question though about a matter of perception. If the number of apprehensions for illegal border crossings goes up dramatically from Administration A to Administration B, does that mean Administration B has stronger, or weaker, border control?

[SnakeBoy]

The number of people crossing the border isn't an issue but the manner in which we are getting our immigrants is indeed insane. We're in a position to pick and choose the best people instead of taking the dregs of the earth. Some of them are good people, I suppose.

[SnakeBoy]

To the rest of the forum: Click search at the top. click the single mode search tab. put "FuzzyLumpkins" in username and pick "find threads started by user" from the drop down menu next to that field. then click search When I did it "The Chumpdumper OCD Socratic Method Thread" I made this year does not appear.

It's there

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's there

Yeah I went to another account and found it too. Like I said, I must've been banned from the thread. Do you know who has mod privileges besides kori, EN, and timvp?

[scott]

Yeah I went to another account and found it too. Like I said, I must've been banned from the thread. Do you know who has mod privileges besides kori, EN, and timvp?

I just bumped it and @'d you in the thread. Do you see it now?

[CosmicCowboy]

I think the point here, my friend, is that you claimed there are "8 million illegal aliens since he took office". You then clarified that by saying that there are 8 million more undocumented residents since then.

However, 8 million illegal border crossings does not equate to 8 million more undocumented residents, especially since 6.5 million of those were apprehended.

It does raise an interesting question though about a matter of perception. If the number of apprehensions for illegal border crossings goes up dramatically from Administration A to Administration B, does that mean Administration B has stronger, or weaker, border control?

The "undocumented" was Chumps word, not mine. I stand by the claim there were more than 8 million illegal border crossings since
January 2021.

As for "apprehensions" when they just catch and release, it's still 8 million illegal border crossers now in the US.

As for "stronger or weaker" between A & B, when encounters go from 646,822 in 2020 to 2,556,364 so far in 2023 it appears that B is significantly less effective, if not technically "weaker".

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/nationwide-encounters

[scott]

The number of people crossing the border isn't an issue but the manner in which we are getting our immigrants is indeed insane. We're in a position to pick and choose the best people instead of taking the dregs of the earth. Some of them are good people, I suppose.

This is venturing into a related but different topic, but it's an interesting one. I've contended for 20+ years now, and think it is especially true today, that the United States self-perpetuates its illegal immigration issues with unreasonably low quotas and high barriers to legal entry/residency.

Part of the solution should be to make it EASIER for people to come here LEGALLY (which doesn't necessary need to include a pathway to citizenship) to lessen the incentive to come here illegally. Could go into detail on this for days, but that's my reader's digest summary.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I just bumped it and @'d you in the thread. Do you see it now?

yup, thanks, let me see if I can now pull it on a search.

[scott]

The "undocumented" was Chumps word, not mine. I stand by the claim there were more than 8 million illegal border crossings since
January 2021.

As for "apprehensions" when they just catch and release, it's still 8 million illegal border crossers now in the US.

As for "stronger or weaker" between A & B, when encounters go from 646,822 in 2020 to 2,556,364 so far in 2023 it appears that B is significantly less effective, if not technically "weaker".

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/nationwide-encounters

Chump asked you "Are you implying the US has 8 million new undocumented residents?" and you responded "yes". That is the source of the quibble.

I think it is incorrect to state that 8 million border crossings = 8 million border crossers now in the US, but if you can provide data I'll admit I'm wrong.


As for "stronger or weaker" between A & B, when encounters go from 646,822 in 2020 to 2,556,364 so far in 2023 it appears that B is significantly less effective, if not technically "weaker".

I think there is a strong case to be made that border enforcement is stronger as a result of encounters increasing, but that data point alone doesn't tell the full picture. It's like if citations for J-Walking increase 500% in one year: did J-Walking increase or did Police just do a better job citing people for J-Walking?

[CosmicCowboy]

This is venturing into a related but different topic, but it's an interesting one. I've contended for 20+ years now, and think it is especially true today, that the United States self-perpetuates its illegal immigration issues with unreasonably low quotas and high barriers to legal entry/residency.

Part of the solution should be to make it EASIER for people to come here LEGALLY (which doesn't necessary need to include a pathway to citizenship) to lessen the incentive to come here illegally. Could go into detail on this for days, but that's my reader's digest summary.

I agree with this, and actually having a closed border gives us the opportunity to pick and choose who gets to come here legally. I am not against immigration. As it stands now, the only qualification for entry is who manages to illegally crosses the border.

[scott]

To further elaborate, the estimate of the undocumented population in the United States has held fairly consistently around 11.5 million residents for the last 8 years, with the exception of during COVID when that number fell to 10.5 million.

There is no evidence that there is some "true" number of this measure that would show an increase of 8 million undocumented residents.

[scott]

I agree with this, and actually having a closed border gives us the opportunity to pick and choose who gets to come here legally. I am not against immigration. As it stands now, the only qualification for entry is who manages to illegally crosses the border.

Where I would disagree is the "picking and choosing" part, unless the picking and choosing was based largely around denying persons with criminal records.

I don't believe it aligns with the American tradition or its values to have some other subjective criteria to select who can come and go.

I also am not sure what this discussion of "open" and "closed" border even means. The border is not "open" - if it were, there would be no illegal immigrants (because it wouldn't be illegal), and apprehensions wouldn't be up considerably. "Open border" is just a talking point to get people riled up.

[scott]

Gotta focus on work now. Y'all have fun solving the world's problems.

[CosmicCowboy]

Chump asked you "Are you implying the US has 8 million new undocumented residents?" and you responded "yes". That is the source of the quibble.

My mistake equating Chumps use of the politically correct term "undocumented" with my term "illegal"

I think it is incorrect to state that 8 million border crossings = 8 million border crossers now in the US, but if you can provide data I'll admit I'm wrong.


I linked the US Customs and Border Protection statistics



I think there is a strong case to be made that border enforcement is stronger as a result of encounters increasing, but that data point alone doesn't tell the full picture. It's like if citations for J-Walking increase 500% in one year: did J-Walking increase or did Police just do a better job citing people for J-Walking?

Hmmm...I don't find it credible that over 2 million illegal entries went undetected in 2020. Logic seems to dictate that more illegal entries would result in more apprehensions. When apprehensions become "catch and release" I think the statement that border control in 2023 was less effective than it was in 2020 is a reasonable statement.

[ChumpDumper]

apparently you can't

my original statement you tried to quibble over

Not my question that you answered in the affirmative, genius.

And my use of the word undocumented changed absolutely nothing.

[ChumpDumper]

Your assertion, your proof.

Anyone else is welcome to look for themselves. I do not find you credible.

BTW you can make more unsupported claims if you like. I'm not going to continue to argue with someone who won't back his word on a claim.

To the rest of the forum: Click search at the top. click the single mode search tab. put "FuzzyLumpkins" in username and pick "find threads started by user" from the drop down menu next to that field. then click search When I did it "The Chumpdumper OCD Socratic Method Thread" I made this year does not appear.

:lmao user error

My claim independently verified.

Your conspiracy theory destroyed.

Interesting. I just logged into another account and voila it was there. So that means someone banned me from the thread on this account.

You know anything about that Chumpie?

What's your new conspiracy theory?

[scott]

I linked the US Customs and Border Protection statistics

The link you posted is to statistics of monthly encounters, but you are saying that an encounter = an additional undocumented (illegal) resident now in the United States*. I am unaware of any data to suggest that. If there are now 8 million additional undocumented residents in the United States, that would in fact be quite the news story as it would mean the undocumented population has increased by 73% in just a few short years! Maybe it has, but I'm skeptical. Got any data to back that up?

*To that point, as I already mentioned, the undocumented population in the US has remained relatively consistent over the last 8 years at approximately 11.5 million. During COVID that number dropped to 10.5 milllion. But during that time there were still encounters at the border. Those encounters do not translate to an additional undocumented resident.

[koriwhat]

BTW you can make more unsupported claims if you like. I'm not going to continue to argue with someone who won't back his word on a claim.

Talk about irony! :lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

[/B]The link you posted is to statistics of monthly encounters, but you are saying that an encounter = an additional undocumented (illegal) resident now in the United States*. I am unaware of any data to suggest that. If there are now 8 million additional undocumented residents in the United States, that would in fact be quite the news story as it would mean the undocumented population has increased by 73% in just a few short years! Maybe it has, but I'm skeptical. Got any data to back that up?

*To that point, as I already mentioned, the undocumented population in the US has remained relatively consistent over the last 8 years at approximately 11.5 million. During COVID that number dropped to 10.5 milllion. But during that time there were still encounters at the border. Those encounters do not translate to an additional undocumented resident.

Just to clarify...when an illegal border crosser goes to the border patrol and says "I want amnesty" and they are then released into the US without a hearing are you counting them as "documented"?

[ChumpDumper]

Just to clarify...when an illegal border crosser goes to the border patrol and says "I want amnesty" and they are then released into the US without a hearing are you counting them as "documented"?Do you mean asylum? It would take over 20 years to reach your 8 million number.

Words are important.

[CosmicCowboy]

Do you mean asylum? It would take over 20 years to reach your 8 million number.

Words are important.

yeah, meant asylum. Not sure what you are getting at with the 20 year thing. Can you explain?

[ChumpDumper]

yeah, meant asylum. Not sure what you are getting at with the 20 year thing. Can you explain?

Like a 1/4 million applied for asylum last year. 1.6 million are waiting somewhere in the process. If there is some "asked for but not applied" status, I haven't seen it or numbers for it.

[scott]

Just to clarify...when an illegal border crosser goes to the border patrol and says "I want amnesty" and they are then released into the US without a hearing are you counting them as "documented"?

It depends... were they documented? It takes time to get a hearing. Are you suggesting that we just cut off asylum?

It's also possible to be documented and still here illegally.

I think this also highlights, IMO, the need for multiple legal paths. I thought a big mistake of past immigration reform was to try to tie everything to a path to citizenship. Not everyone needs to be a citizen.

However, at the end of the day, this is a topic that people will never agree on. Personally, I believe in and support the "melting pot". I want it to be easier for people to come and live here legally. I don't think everyone needs to be a citizen, but I think anyone who wants to become a citizen should be able to go down that path. I actually really support the idea of having a legal class of residents who pay taxes to support programs they aren't eligible for (like SS). Workers here illegally are doing this today, it's actually one of the unintended benefits of SS theft by workers here illegally, ironically enough.

[ChumpDumper]

I think any discussion is stifled by the scare numbers that get cited so often without any real thought as to what they mean. Media can just publish the largest statistical number they can find -- "encounters" -- and people start thinking that is the total number of people who have successfully crossed the border illegally.

There were 200,000 applications for asylum in 2019 -- a clear record at the time, like 3x the largest amount during the Obama years -- but no one said shit about it.

[scott]

I think any discussion is stifled by the scare numbers that get cited so often without any real thought as to what they mean. Media can just publish the largest statistical number they can find -- "encounters" -- and people start thinking that is the total number of people who have successfully crossed the border illegally.

There were 200,000 applications for asylum in 2019 -- a clear record at the time, like 3x the largest amount during the Obama years -- but no one said shit about it.

Trying to get everyone on the same page re: definition of terms BEFORE a debate takes place is not a hallmark of modern discourse :lol

[Extra Stout]

Trump pretty much laid bare the true right-wing position on immigration the day he came down that escalator talking about rapists and murderers. He continued to make it clear with the “shithole countries” and “why can’t we get people from Norway” comments.

Since few are eager to leave their comfortable European social democracies for the gun-obsessed land of shit-eating, cousin-fucking crackers, the next best option for the right is no immigration at all. Maybe they can get white women to have more babies somehow.

If we’d had ears to hear, we’d have heard them saying it 20 years ago and known back then that reform was impossible.

[ChumpDumper]

Trying to get everyone on the same page re: definition of terms BEFORE a debate takes place is not a hallmark of modern discourse :lol

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[Thread]

Trump pretty much laid bare the true right-wing position on immigration the day he came down that escalator talking about rapists and murderers. He continued to make it clear with the “shithole countries” and “why can’t we get people from Norway” comments.

Since few are eager to leave their comfortable European social democracies for the gun-obsessed land of shit-eating, cousin-fucking crackers, the next best option for the right is no immigration at all. Maybe they can get white women to have more babies somehow.

If we’d had ears to hear, we’d have heard them saying it 20 years ago and known back then that reform was impossible.

Amen.

[koriwhat]

Trump pretty much laid bare the true right-wing position on immigration the day he came down that escalator talking about rapists and murderers. He continued to make it clear with the “shithole countries” and “why can’t we get people from Norway” comments.

Since few are eager to leave their comfortable European social democracies for the gun-obsessed land of shit-eating, cousin-fucking crackers, the next best option for the right is no immigration at all. Maybe they can get white women to have more babies somehow.

If we’d had ears to hear, we’d have heard them saying it 20 years ago and known back then that reform was impossible.

Fake news as always and always leaving out the context... Sound bites without context is what the loser regressives love the most.

[koriwhat]

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[Thread]

Fake news as always and always leaving out the context... Sound bites without context is what the loser regressives love the most.

...kori

[Ef-man]

8M new undocumented residents vs 6.5M BP apprehensions at border plus 1.5M gotaways at border, hmm, what is the difference?

If I had normal vision, I should be able to see the difference 6.5M apprehensions plus 1.5M gotaways not being same as 8M new undocumented residents.

However, wearing Yam Tits colored glasses, there is no difference as it is all Biden’s fault.

Hint: Approximately, 81% apprehended at border and 19% entered without being apprehended at border (i.e., 1.5M new undocumented residents since Biden’s watch began).

[Ef-man]

Trying to get everyone on the same page re: definition of terms BEFORE a debate takes place is not a hallmark of modern discourse :lol

Then CC needs to pull up the asylum case numbers since the beginning of Biden’s watch if that is what confused him.

[SnakeBoy]

I don't believe it aligns with the American tradition or its values to have some other subjective criteria to select who can come and go.


We need to change those traditions/values. I mean “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses” was a fine sentiment when we had an indigenous population and their vast lands to conquer, but we got the job done. It's well past time to move on from the romanticized version of our founding.

[SnakeBoy]

Maybe they can get white women to have more babies somehow.


I think we whites need something like a quinceañera. Age fifteen, you're a woman now honey, finish your taco and go get knocked up.

[Thread]

We need to change those traditions/values. I mean “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses” was a fine sentiment when we had an indigenous population and their vast lands to conquer, but we got the job done. It's well past time to move on from the romanticized version of our founding.

Way too late, Snake. It's harvest of votes across the world and a country who loves to conduct war across that same world. And nobody harvests votes like the Democrats with RINO's ever so quietly assisting. A 95% guaranteed block with no requirement to expound upon it in-the-least.

Basically money from home.

[scott]

We need to change those traditions/values. I mean “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses” was a fine sentiment when we had an indigenous population and their vast lands to conquer, but we got the job done. It's well past time to move on from the romanticized version of our founding.

Obviously not everyone agrees with you, ignoring your interesting choice of language.

I do find it funny, however, that those who do hold this position often are the same people who hold originalist views of the constitution. It's awfully convenient, the picking and choosing.

[scott]

I think we whites need something like a quinceañera. Age fifteen, you're a woman now honey, finish your taco and go get knocked up.

Oh got it, you're just another dumb racist to put on ignore. Thanks for the clarification.

[SnakeBoy]

Oh got it, you're just another dumb racist to put on ignore. Thanks for the clarification.

GFY you shit-eating, cousin-fucking cracker

[SnakeBoy]

Whew he's fine. Hopefully 20 more years of selfless public service left in this great man.


Dr. Brian P. Monahan said he consulted with McConnell and has also spoken with McConnell's neurology team, and informed the Republican leader that he is medically clear to continue with his schedule. Monahan did not say he examined McConnell himself.

"After evaluating yesterday's incident, I have informed Leader McConnell that he is medically clear to continue with his schedule as planned," Monahan said. "Occasional lightheadedness is not uncommon in concussion recovery and can also be expected as a result of dehydration."

[SnakeBoy]

Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Friday she will run for reelection to another term in Congress as Democrats work to win back the majority in 2024.

Pelosi, 83, made the announcement before labor allies in the San Francisco area district she has represented for more than 35 years.

"Now more than ever our City needs us to advance San Francisco values and further our recovery," Pelosi said in a tweet. "Our country needs America to show the world that our flag is still there, with liberty and justice for ALL. That is why I am running for reelection and respectfully ask for your vote."

[ChumpDumper]

Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Friday she will run for reelection to another term in Congress as Democrats work to win back the majority in 2024.

Pelosi, 83, made the announcement before labor allies in the San Francisco area district she has represented for more than 35 years.

"Now more than ever our City needs us to advance San Francisco values and further our recovery," Pelosi said in a tweet. "Our country needs America to show the world that our flag is still there, with liberty and justice for ALL. That is why I am running for reelection and respectfully ask for your vote.":tu

[Winehole23]

Steny Hoyer is a year older than pelosi


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5hC3wxXEAE6VeV?format=jpg&name=small

[RandomGuy]

I think we whites need something like a quinceañera. Age fifteen, you're a woman now honey, finish your taco and go get knocked up.

SB drops the veil and says the quiet parts out loud.

The basis of modern conservatism is violence, dishonesty, and greed.

You prove my point daily.

[HemisfairArena]

Trump pretty much laid bare the true right-wing position on immigration the day he came down that escalator talking about rapists and murderers. He continued to make it clear with the “shithole countries” and “why can’t we get people from Norway” comments.

Since few are eager to leave their comfortable European social democracies for the gun-obsessed land of shit-eating, cousin-fucking crackers, the next best option for the right is no immigration at all. Maybe they can get white women to have more babies somehow.

If we’d had ears to hear, we’d have heard them saying it 20 years ago and known back then that reform was impossible.

So youre saying we need to let illegals in because white women dont want to have babies?,,,,lmao. And if crackers are so bad, why do browns and blacks want to break into the white countries so bad?,,,,riddle me that, numbnuts. I dont see anyone breaking into Nigeria or Venezuela for a better life,,,

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQfymtyWoAAAAIi?format=png&name=small

[SnakeBoy]

Former U.S. House of Speaker Nancy Pelosi was admitted to a hospital in Luxembourg on Friday after she took a “hard fall” down a marble staircase.

Pelosi, 84, tripped as she walked down the staircase at the Grand Ducal Palace in Luxembourg City, a source told The New York Times.


Get well soon Nancy

[HemisfairArena]

Former U.S. House of Speaker Nancy Pelosi was admitted to a hospital in Luxembourg on Friday after she took a “hard fall” down a marble staircase.

Pelosi, 84, tripped as she walked down the staircase at the Grand Ducal Palace in Luxembourg City, a source told The New York Times.


Get well soon Nancy

:bobo

[Winehole23]

Kay Granger's last recorded vote was on July 24


Taylor Manziel who is the Assistant Executive Director (https://www.linkedin.com/in/taylor-manziel-25b360185) for the senior living facility acknowledged to The Dallas Express that “This is her home.”EXCLUSIVE: Where is Congresswoman Kay Granger? (https://dallasexpress.com/tarrant/exclusive-where-is-congresswoman-kay-granger/)

[Winehole23]

(in fairness to Rep. Granger, she did step down as Appropriation Committee Chair in March, this maybe explains it)

[Winehole23]

in principle, having no functional US Rep for half a year is bad.

824,000 people live in the 12th Congressional District as of the 2020 US Census.

[Winehole23]

in principle, having no functional US Rep for half a year is bad.

824,000 people live in the 12th Congressional District as of the 2020 US Census.no replies from the 12th Congressional District or anywhere else

[Winehole23]

I never cease to be amazed how little politics posters like to discuss politics.

[Winehole23]

The Granger case, along with new reporting making clear that Joe Biden has served as a diminished president (https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/biden-bodyguard-liars-gerontocracy/), is forcing gerontocracy onto the agenda in Washington. Aside from Biden and Granger, there are now increasing expressions of concerns (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/12/24/kay-granger-texas-congresswoman-age-facility/) about the advanced age and healthcare struggles of former House speaker Nancy Pelosi and outgoing Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell (both of whom, despite formally giving up powerful posts, remain kingmakers in Washington). Questions have also been raised (https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/20/david-scott-reelection-questioned-democrats-00142290)about Democratic Representative David Scott of Georgia, with even fellow Democrats expressing skepticism about his ability to serve. The decision to sideline young congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in the House Oversight Committee on behalf of Gerry Connolly, who is 74 and suffers from cancer, has been criticized even by centrist Democrats (https://x.com/kenklippenstein/status/1872039995529445487) such as Jen Psaki as proof of entrenched gerontocracy. This is a major shift from recent years, when a bipartisan code of silence protected elected officials and judges from being criticized even though there was ample evidence that age had made them incapable of serving.

Republican Representative Thomas Massie of Kentucky responded to the Granger story by tweeting (https://x.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1870846443701067804), “I’m more concerned about the congressmen who have dementia and are still voting.”

Democratic Representative Ro Khanna of California tweeted (https://x.com/RoKhanna/status/1870820754171818085):


Kay Granger’s long absence reveals the problem with a Congress that rewards seniority & relationships more than merit & ideas. We have a sclerotic gerontocracy. We need term limits. We need to get big money out of politics so a new generation of Americans can run and serve.



Khanna’s statement has the virtue of moving the discussion beyond just the individual choices of lawmakers and into the wider system that has made gerontocracy possible. Republican firebrand Kerri Lake, who rarely agrees with Khanna on anything—and is seldom a voice of reason—also offered a systemic analysis, tweeting (https://x.com/KariLake/status/1870670119052988512),


“Washington D.C. shouldn’t be a retirement home, but the entrenched forces there are so desperate to hold on to power that they will reject fresh voices while pulling stunts like this.”

Khanna and Lake are accurate in seeing the problem as entrenched systems. The rules of Congress reward seniority with more power, which also makes it logical for voters to keep voting for longtime lawmakers even past the decline in their capacity. Those lawmakers have staff who can make sure that the perks of power are still shared with constituents.

These staffers themselves constitute an important enabling force for gerontocracy. After all, a diminished political leader basically acts as a figurehead or puppet for staffers who can exercise real power behind the scenes. Joe Biden’s presidency may have been a tragedy for the Democrats, for America, and for the world—but for figures like national security adviser Jake Sullivan or chief of staff Jeff Zients (and his predecessor Ron Klain), it was a chance to pursue their vision of the world without the kind of impediment that might have been expected from a fully alert and cognizant president.
Elder Abuse Is No Way to Run a Government | The Nation (https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/granger-kuster-gerontocracy-elder-abuse/)

[SnakeBoy]

in principle, having no functional US Rep for half a year is bad.


Having a demented POTUS for 4 years is even worse but you didn't mind that

[ChumpDumper]

Having a demented POTUS for 4 years is even worse but you didn't mind that

How bad was it for you?

[baseline bum]

Having a demented POTUS for 4 years is even worse but you didn't mind that

And now we get another four that you voted for

[ChumpDumper]

And now we get another four that you voted for

Probably even worse than his first demented four years.

[Winehole23]

Having a demented POTUS for 4 years is even worse but you didn't mind thatyeah, Trump lost to a 900 year old mummy. it'll never not crack me up.

[Blake]

I never cease to be amazed how little politics posters like to discuss politics.

MY TEAM WON

CRY MOARRR

[SnakeBoy]

yeah, Trump lost to a 900 year old mummy. it'll never not crack me up.

then why you crying about the Palestinians so much?

[Winehole23]

then why you crying about the Palestinians so much?Not sure what you think the inconsistency is, I post on a variety of topics

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:5o6k7jvowuyaquloafzn3cfw/bafkreidlnlvvxhp4lunqbzcd2322qzlpgzrfy5ueryovaxtbw 3jvou33cm@jpeg

[Winehole23]

it's a little-known rule of federal procedure that anything POTUS posts online is a legit predicate for federal action


https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:wufsdxzvzx36d7wppganbvpw/bafkreieamf42bfg5aqhwgn2mvj7vfeu6iatdm6477eq74nqxo vjemtwmim@jpeg