RIP Swed3n. Suffers highest monthly deaths since Spanish Flu. Hospitals 99% capacity

[hater]

Play stupid games


Win stupid prizes


https://twitter.com/SBSNews/status/1338567413416128513?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1337738064932851712?s=19

[Winehole23]

herd immunity sans vaccination is not a thing in public health science. it's an ideologal fig leaf for mass morbidity and death.

[hater]

https://twitter.com/zilevandamme/status/1338390122992197632?s=19

[hater]

Lets see how good the Nordic/Viking brotherhood is

Norway, Denmark and Finland need to offer to help Sweden.

Then again, the vikings fought each other mercilesly for ages :lol

[baseline bum]

So Karrin's not going to keep pointing to Sweden as a success story on why we can just ignore the virus like his boy Trump preaches?

[Will Hunting]

:lmao muh herd mentality

[ElNono]

Foldren wrong about Sweden

[DarrinS]

Play stupid games


Win stupid prizes


https://twitter.com/SBSNews/status/1338567413416128513?s=19

In November

Look now

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/


Daily deaths dropping significantly

[Spurminator]

More dangerous ignorance that actually kills people.

[Winehole23]

In November

Look now

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/


Daily deaths dropping significantlyDeath isn't the only relevant metric of the public heath impact.

Even if deaths are falling, the hospitalization rate is persistent. COVID patients take a long time to cycle through . Once hospitals hit capacity, people start to die from treatable conditions other than COVID.

[Winehole23]

(DarrinS, amateur COVID minimizer :lol)

[hater]

In November

Look now

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/


Daily deaths dropping significantly

So november is not a month now?

Is that what covidiots do these days? Kick months out of the calendars? :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Lets see how good the Nordic/Viking brotherhood is

Norway, Denmark and Finland need to offer to help Sweden.

Then again, the vikings fought each other mercilesly for ages :lolFinland offered some weeks ago.


In November

Look now

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/


Daily deaths dropping significantly
You're a stupid, stupid cunt.

":lolut :lolf fuel"

[hater]

You're a stupid, stupid cunt.

:lol if his house burns down due to idiocy in November and half his family is killed he wilm say "well that was november. In december noone has been killed yet" :lol

[DarrinS]

Sweden has around 7700 deaths. The US population is 33x Sweden's

33 * 7700 = 254,100


Not good, but what is our count up to.now?

[hater]

Sweden has around 7700 deaths. The US population is 33x Sweden's

33 * 7700 = 254,100


Not good, but what is our count up to.now?

Wake me up when sweden has major major metro cities like NY, LA, etc :rolleyes

If you knew anything you would know sweden is mostly small villages and ppl naturally already avoid each other.

[ChumpDumper]

Sweden has around 7700 deaths. The US population is 33x Sweden's

33 * 7700 = 254,100


Not good, but what is our count up to.now?What's Norway's count?

Finland's?

Denmark's?

[Winehole23]

Sweden has around 7700 deaths. The US population is 33x Sweden's

33 * 7700 = 254,100


Not good, but what is our count up to.now?301,000 souls

[ChumpDumper]

In November


Sweden in good shape.


Sweden is doing remarkably well


It's over in Sweden.


They have likely reached herd immunity. Probably, so have places like NY.

That's what their curves suggest.


I envy Sweden's curve.


Evidently, the best way to "contain" it, is to have many people get it. It's obvious that some of the countries you listed are nearing herd immunity. And lockdown was not the most important factor.

[hater]

:lmao

[ElNono]

Not enough CVS or Vitamin D in Sweden, tbh

[DarrinS]

Hospital resource use and projections from IMHE

Sweden

https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden?view=resource-use&tab=trend&resource=all_resources



California

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/california?view=resource-use&tab=trend&resource=all_resources


EDIT> For further comparison

Texas

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/texas?view=resource-use&tab=trend&resource=all_resources

[Monostradamus]

Darrin started drinking a few hours early today :lol

[Will Hunting]

Sweden has around 7700 deaths. The US population is 33x Sweden's

33 * 7700 = 254,100


Not good, but what is our count up to.now?
So Sweden has less deaths per capita than a 3rd world oligarchy where people are worried that going to the hospital will lead to medical bills they can’t afford. Big deal.

Hows Sweden doing compared to other first world countries in Western Europe?

[spurraider21]

Sweden has around 7700 deaths. The US population is 33x Sweden's

33 * 7700 = 254,100


Not good, but what is our count up to.now?
compare them to a similar country. perhaps one with similar geography, climate, population density. might be a few right around the corner

[Will Hunting]

The fact Karrin needs to compare Sweden to a 3rd world cesspool where the president admitted to intentionally downplaying COVID doesn’t really help his argument.

[DarrinS]

compare them to a similar country. perhaps one with similar geography, climate, population density. might be a few right around the corner

People have no problem comparing the US to fucking New Zealand and South Korea. :lol

[Will Hunting]

People have no problem comparing the US to fucking New Zealand and South Korea. :lol
What countries should the US be compared to?

[Winehole23]

People have no problem comparing the US to fucking New Zealand and South Korea. :lolGuilty as charged, no regrets, but I have a quibble: the verb you're looking for is contrast, not compare.

[hater]

People have no problem comparing the US to fucking New Zealand and South Korea. :lol

Agree with this

US should be compared with Peru, Ecuador, Mexico and other 3rd world health shitholes

[ChumpDumper]

People have no problem comparing the US to fucking New Zealand and South Korea. :lol
Can we compare the US and Sweden to Norway, Denmark and Finland?

[baseline bum]

People have no problem comparing the US to fucking New Zealand and South Korea. :lol

What happened to American Exceptionalism? We were supposed to be the greatest country on earth according to the American right.

[ChumpDumper]

Darrin's gonna blame the darks....

[ElNono]

What happened to American Exceptionalism? We were supposed to be the greatest country on earth according to the American right.

With 'promising' therapies like Clorox and Hydroxychloroquine Americans have become exceptionally stupid.

[Will Hunting]

South Korea has 15x the population density the US has while traveling from the country where COVID started (China) to South Korea is much easier than taking a 15 hour flight across the largest body of water in the world, so it’s interesting that MAGAtards seem to think South Korea was naturally predisposed to containing COVID than the US was.

Guessing this Karrin theory has something to do about South Korea being more “homogeneous” than we are.

[DarrinS]

What happened to American Exceptionalism?


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Pfizer.svg/200px-Pfizer.svg.png


https://www.modernatx.com/sites/all/themes/moderna/images/moderna-logo.png

[Will Hunting]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Pfizer.svg/200px-Pfizer.svg.png


https://www.modernatx.com/sites/all/themes/moderna/images/moderna-logo.png
Pfizer’s vaccine development was funded by Germany and was a partnership with German biotech company BioNTech.

Try again.

[DarrinS]

Pfizer’s vaccine development was funded by Germany and was a partnership with German biotech company BioNTech.

Try again.



Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine development and manufacturing costs have been entirely self-funded, with billions of dollars already invested at risk. The company will continue bearing all the costs of development and manufacturing in an effort to help find a solution to this pandemic as fast as possible.


https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-update-our-us-covid-19-vaccine-candidate

[Will Hunting]

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-update-our-us-covid-19-vaccine-candidate
:lol you continue to shit all over yourself

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-09/pfizer-vaccine-s-funding-came-from-berlin-not-washington


BioNTech is credited for contributing the messenger RNA technology, which prompts the body to make a key protein from the virus, creating an immune response. The biotechnology company already had a history of working with Pfizer on influenza vaccines, and in March they clinched a deal (https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-details/pfizer-and-biontech-co-develop-potential-covid-19-vaccine) to co-develop a shot to prevent against Covid-19 at research sites both in the U.S. and Germany. The two companies began (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-22/pfizer-biontech-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-to-start-in-germany) human testing of the vaccine in April, before the existence of Operation Warp Speed was revealed (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-29/trump-s-operation-warp-speed-aims-to-rush-coronavirus-vaccine) publicly.

Berlin gave (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-15/biontech-gets-445-million-in-german-funding-for-covid-vaccine) the German company $445 million in an agreement in September to help accelerate the vaccine by building out manufacturing and development capacity in its home market.

[Spurtacular]

#StopTheSteal

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao Darrin seriously just posted a Pfizer ad.

Holy shit Germany is doing so much better than the US and Sweden!

[Winehole23]

:lol you continue to shit all over yourself

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-09/pfizer-vaccine-s-funding-came-from-berlin-not-washingtonDarrinS has one of the highest insta-pwn ratios on this board. :lol

[ElNono]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Pfizer.svg/200px-Pfizer.svg.png

https://www.modernatx.com/sites/all/themes/moderna/images/moderna-logo.png

No need for that. Just chew some zinc tablets and take some vitamin D.

[DarrinS]

No need for that. Just chew some zinc tablets and take some vitamin D.

Definitely helps have a milder course. No need for vaccine after you've had covid.

[ElNono]

Definitely helps have a milder course. No need for vaccine after you've had covid.

well, we don't really know that just yet, but you do you.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, Darrin has been almost as wrong as foldren from the start.

[DarrinS]

well, we don't really know that just yet, but you do you.

mRNA vaccines make your body produce the spike protein. People who have already had covid-19 -- their immune systems have already "seen" this spike protein.

[ElNono]

mRNA vaccines make your body produce the spike protein. People who have already had covid-19 -- their immune systems have already "seen" this spike protein.

There's also been reports of re-infection. I'm more concerned with those people continuing to spread the virus, than having them fight it off again.

[hater]

There's also been reports of re-infection. I'm more concerned with those people continuing to spread the virus, than having them fight it off again.

We still dont know for sure if Pzifer or any vaccine prevents spread of the virus.

Well be wearing masks for the foreseable future

[ElNono]

We still dont know for sure if Pzifer or any vaccine prevents spread of the virus.

Well be wearing masks for the foreseable future

Exactly. The notion that because you had the virus, you're off the hook is incredibly selfish and short sighted.

[DarrinS]

There's also been reports of re-infection.


Extremely rare. So, it will be extremely rare with the vaccine, too.

[ElNono]

Extremely rare. So, it will be extremely rare with the vaccine, too.

But arguably non-zero. That's the point.

[baseline bum]

Oh man when Karrin starts talking about out of fuel again :lol

[hater]

Exactly. The notion that because you had the virus, you're off the hook is incredibly selfish and short sighted.

Not what I said.

I said we dont know if the Vaccines work to contain spread. So even taking vaccines. We dont know

[hater]

Extremely rare. So, it will be extremely rare with the vaccine, too.

You dont know.

You are full of shit

[ElNono]

Not what I said.

I said we dont know if the Vaccines work to contain spread. So even taking vaccines. We dont know

But that's the point. When you don't know, you remain careful. Well, unless you're selfish and don't give a shit about anybody else.

[hater]

But that's the point. When you don't know, you remain careful. Well, unless you're selfish and don't give a shit about anybody else.

Sure but you were responding to "no need for vaccine if you had covid"

I say even if you get a vaccine. It has not been proven you cannot spread it.

So regardless wether you had covid, the vacvine or both. We will be wearing masks for the foreseable future

[ElNono]

Sure but you were responding to "no need for vaccine if you had covid"

I say even if you get a vaccine. It has not been proven you cannot spread it.

So regardless wether you had covid, the vacvine or both. We will be wearing masks for the foreseable future

Agree 100%

[TimDunkem]

:lol you continue to shit all over yourself

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-09/pfizer-vaccine-s-funding-came-from-berlin-not-washington
lmao Everytime Darrin has to respond more than a handful of times he inevitably shits out some nonsense that proves how much of an out-of-touch retard he is. :lol

[TimDunkem]

Oh man when Karrin starts talking about out of fuel again :lol
Out of fuel in April!

Fucking APRIL. :lmao

[SnakeBoy]

There's also been reports of re-infection. I'm more concerned with those people continuing to spread the virus, than having them fight it off again.

Are you concerned about the vaccinated people spreading the virus?

[elbamba1]

When did Sweden elect Thanos as president?

[ElNono]

Are you concerned about the vaccinated people spreading the virus?

Sure, same reason.

[pgardn]

Sure but you were responding to "no need for vaccine if you had covid"

I say even if you get a vaccine. It has not been proven you cannot spread it.

So regardless wether you had covid, the vacvine or both. We will be wearing masks for the foreseable future

If will most likely do both as the vast majority of vaccines do.
To assume it will not automatically is foolish.

[pgardn]

And if you understand how the vast majority of vaccines work, it will take care of both.

[SnakeBoy]

If will most likely do both as the vast majority of vaccines do.
To assume it will not automatically is foolish.

That's not true. It most likely will not prevent transmission. The vaccines are unlikely to stop mucosal infection and transmission of SARS-CoV-2. They're just going to stop Covid-19.

[Winehole23]

That's not true. It most likely will not prevent transmission. The vaccines are unlikely to stop mucosal infection and transmission of SARS-CoV-2. They're just going to stop Covid-19.fwiw, the press release on the Moderna vaccine claims that it's been shown to prevent transmission from asymptomatic positives. To what degree/confidence interval, no idea.

Hard to get tangible info from press releases.

[Chris Fall]

Seems unlikely that the vaccine will prevent a person from being infected or from once infected transmitting it to others. The vaccine merely prepares the body to fight it once you get it so you don't get severely sick. So getting it suggests that you remain infectious once you do. Your body is just better equipped at fighting it.

[hater]

fwiw, the press release on the Moderna vaccine claims that it's been shown to prevent transmission from asymptomatic positives. To what degree/confidence interval, no idea.

Hard to get tangible info from press releases.

We are at the stage where companies will promise you the vaccine will give you a blowjob and make you breakfast. Remember they have been pardoned from any future lie or wrongdoing already.

All they care about right now is selling their stock. Eventually they will probably have to prove their shit works but thats months or years from now.

[baseline bum]

That's not true. It most likely will not prevent transmission. The vaccines are unlikely to stop mucosal infection and transmission of SARS-CoV-2. They're just going to stop Covid-19.

That's still going to significantly lessen replication and thus viral load from carriers though, right? Or does the vaccine just calm the immune response so you don't get the wild cytokine storm?

[hater]

That's still going to significantly lessen replication and thus viral load from carriers though, right? Or does the vaccine just calm the immune response so you don't get the wild cytokine storm?

Nobody knows

Well have to wqit for Pzifers next pre stock market press release :lmao

[SnakeBoy]

fwiw, the press release on the Moderna vaccine claims that it's been shown to prevent transmission from asymptomatic positives. To what degree/confidence interval, no idea.

Hard to get tangible info from press releases.

Haven't read the press releases but I don't think that's right.


Research has shown that the biotech firm’s shot is effective at preventing people from getting sick with COVID-19, but there’s no hard evidence that it stops them from carrying the virus “transiently” and potentially infecting others who haven’t been vaccinated, according to Dr. Tal Zaks, Moderna’s chief medical officer.

“I think we need to be careful, as we get vaccinated, not to over-interpret the results,” Zaks told Axios in a TV interview released Monday. “When we start the deployment of this vaccine, we will not have sufficient concrete data to prove that this vaccine reduces transmission.”


According to the virologists on TWiV, Moderna & Pfizer supposedly took random nasal swabs to study the transmission issue but analysis of them is not part of the vaccine trial. They're sitting in a freezer.

Astrazenaca initially said theirs was better at stopping transmission but I think that was just to distract from their 62% efficacy. Now they are saying we're still looking at that.

Astra Shot Better at Stopping Covid Than Slowing Transmission
https://www.anchoragepress.com/news/oxford-and-astrazeneca-say-their-covid-19-vaccine-works-too/article_3df3c82e-2de0-11eb-89ac-47382581cbcf.html


Long story short, everybody will get SARS-CoV-2 eventually and some will have Covid-19. It's the 5th endemic human coronavirus.

[SnakeBoy]

That's still going to significantly lessen replication and thus viral load from carriers though, right? Or does the vaccine just calm the immune response so you don't get the wild cytokine storm?

From what I gather from the TWiV folks, that's probably right. Less transmission but still transmission. They expect the most likely scenario is that vaccinated people will still get a nasal infection and be able to transmit. Apparently the vaccine will not affect the mucosal immune system.

[SnakeBoy]

Another spike protein mutation

New coronavirus strain spreading in UK has key mutations, scientists say
https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-britain-variant/new-coronavirus-strain-spreading-in-uk-has-key-mutations-scientists-say-idUSKBN28P158

10% of all new UK infections.

[Winehole23]

From what I gather from the TWiV folks, that's probably right. Less transmission but still transmission. They expect the most likely scenario is that vaccinated people will still get a nasal infection and be able to transmit. Apparently the vaccine will not affect the mucosal immune system.There are topical treatments that sound promising, what do you hear about them?

[SnakeBoy]

There are topical treatments that sound promising, what do you hear about them?

I just saw the ivermectin w/ seaweed nasal spray prophylactic "study". It didn't look like a real scientific study so I don't have an opinion on it.

[Winehole23]

I just saw the ivermectin w/ seaweed nasal spray prophylactic "study". It didn't look like a real scientific study so I don't have an opinion on it.There are preprints on ivermectin and Povidone iodine in the Vaccines and Treatments thread.

[baseline bum]

Another spike protein mutation

New coronavirus strain spreading in UK has key mutations, scientists say
https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-britain-variant/new-coronavirus-strain-spreading-in-uk-has-key-mutations-scientists-say-idUSKBN28P158

10% of all new UK infections.

So how many World Wars on the hater scale of 'we fucked' is that?

[SnakeBoy]

There are preprints on ivermectin and Povidone iodine in the Vaccines and Treatments thread.

I'm not sold on ivermectin because the rational just isn't there. They claim because in vitro it inhibits viral replication but that was at doses far greater than safe doses, and then they say it's has anti-inflammatory properties. Well hydroxychloroquine does both of those things very well at normal safe doses and wasn't a game changer so why would a dewormer work?

I suppose regular use of a nasal/oral disinfectant like Povidone iodine might help but it stains. A bleach solution would be better imo.

[hater]

So how many World Wars on the hater scale of 'we fucked' is that?

We dont know

I thinks its almost a fact that this mutation is more infectious. Maybe 8x more.

But we dont know if its more lethal or if it would resist vaccine. Although it is a mutation relating to the spike which is what the vacvines are based on

[SnakeBoy]

So how many World Wars on the hater scale of 'we fucked' is that?

WWLXXII

[Wes Welker]

lmao Everytime Darrin has to respond more than a handful of times he inevitably shits out some nonsense that proves how much of an out-of-touch retard he is. :lol
:lmao DarrinS

[Blake]

Darrin's gonna blame the darks....

PROTESTS LEAD TO INCREASE WHICH IS BAD BUT IN WHITE SWEDEN HERD IMMUNITY IS GOOD

[pgardn]

That's not true. It most likely will not prevent transmission. The vaccines are unlikely to stop mucosal infection and transmission of SARS-CoV-2. They're just going to stop Covid-19.

Thats not true.
Most vaccines do both.
There is more evidence on the side it will do both.

The people who produce high viral loads do so because their immune system cant suppress the cells manufacturing the virus (the vaccine, if it works should shut this down just like in other viruses). Just because someone test positive for "the virus", it may very likely mean the loads are extraordinarily low or even people actually do not produce viral product able to infect (ie its pieces of the virus the test is picking up).
*I should some test most likely test + for other coronaviruses of which there are many.
We will see. Imo this is gonna work (but I am an optimist by nature, not a WWCVII type).

[pgardn]

Another spike protein mutation

New coronavirus strain spreading in UK has key mutations, scientists say
https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-britain-variant/new-coronavirus-strain-spreading-in-uk-has-key-mutations-scientists-say-idUSKBN28P158

10% of all new UK infections.

This does NOT mean the vaccines we have right now will not work.

[pgardn]

We dont know

I thinks its almost a fact that this mutation is more infectious. Maybe 8x more.

But we dont know if its more lethal or if it would resist vaccine. Although it is a mutation relating to the spike which is what the vacvines are based on

The vaccine we have now will most likely recognizing a part of the spike that is consistent throughout.
There are many reasons for this.

[DMX7]

301,000 souls

Keep in mind Swedish people are probably in better health generally speaking. In America, a virus like this is extra deadly because of how many people here are already more often severely overweight and with poor diets. That can't be helpful.

[DarrinS]

Keep in mind Swedish people are probably in better health generally speaking. In America, a virus like this is extra deadly because of how many people here are already more often severely overweight and with poor diets. That can't be helpful.

Definitely

[RandomGuy]

In November

Look now

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/


Daily deaths dropping significantly

What about the rate of permanent heart damage?

What about the rate of permanent brain damage?

This virus does a bit more than just kill. For every fatality you have more people that have suffered some serious long-term health consequences.

You cool with that too?

[RandomGuy]

In November

Look now

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/


Daily deaths dropping significantly

Tends to happen when lockdowns are imposed.

We already know this.

[tholdren]

400 more deaths. Approx 13 deaths a day. Old sick not young healthy. This is not the spanish flu.

[tholdren]

Tends to happen when lockdowns are imposed.

We already know this.

You are not smart.

[ElNono]

Foldren wrong about Sweden

[tholdren]

400 more deaths. Approx 13 deaths a day. Old sick not young healthy. This is not the spanish flu.

The end

[clambake]

The end

Your stupidity will never end.

[tholdren]

Your stupidity will never end.

BwahahhahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhaHhHahahhahahaha hahhahahaha

Name calling bwahahahahahhajajajajahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahah ahahahahhahajahahaha


Science

Bwahahahhahahahahahaha

[ChumpDumper]

BwahahhahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhaHhHahahhahahaha hahhahahaha

Name calling bwahahahahahhajajajajahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahah ahahahahhahajahahaha


Science

Bwahahahhahahahahahaha
foldren wrong about Sweden just like everything else.

He can't discuss anything, he only lies and melts down.

[hater]

https://twitter.com/realTuckFrumper/status/1339572322924179458?s=19

[hater]

:lmao this Tegnell guy

What a fucking miserable clown

https://twitter.com/deniz_sayd/status/1339578668822061057?s=19

[tholdren]

:lmao this Tegnell guy

What a fucking miserable clown

https://twitter.com/deniz_sayd/status/1339578668822061057?s=19

Never over capacity

[Ef-man]

^^^^
Wrong

[tholdren]

Never over capacity

Normal limits all cause mortality 2020. I called it

[DMX7]

Trump also went with the "Herd Immunity" strategy except it was unintentional.

[tholdren]

Trump also went with the "Herd Immunity" strategy except it was unintentional.

Product type: Nucleic acid testing (NAT) technologies that use polymerase chain reaction (PCR) for detection of SARS-CoV-2

Date: 13 January 2021

WHO-identifier: 2020/5, version 2

Target audience: laboratory professionals and users of IVDs.

Purpose of this notice: clarify information previously provided by WHO. This notice supersedes WHO Information Notice for In Vitro Diagnostic Medical Device (IVD) Users 2020/05 version 1, issued 14 December 2020.

Description of the problem: WHO requests users to follow the instructions for use (IFU) when interpreting results for specimens tested using PCR methodology.

Users of IVDs must read and follow the IFU carefully to determine if manual adjustment of the PCR positivity threshold is recommended by the manufacturer



You aren't smart, even the WHO now says pcr and asymptomatic not recd