Game Thread: 2020 Preseason Game 2: Spurs at Rockets 7 PM CST (20:00 EST, 03:00 RIGA TIME)

[r0drig0lac]

Wall is so fast

[Dejounte]

Dejounte, don’t die on the Murray hill......you r better than that!

I'm giving credit where credit is due. I've been the biggest Murray critic out there. But you've got to give players a chance.

[RC_Drunkford]

Amazing move by Lonnie

[Texas_Ranger]

Dejounte has passed the ball just fine just LMA and Lyles not paying attention

If only hed know how to dribble past demaecus cousins

[Chomag]

Vessel is our best player out there right now and I'm being honest.

[BillMc]

Lonnie to Devin. NICE!!!

[Texas_Ranger]

Vessel is our best player out there right now and I'm being honest.

Yea cause hes invisible on offense while others suck

[SAGirl]

DJ with 5 credited TO.

[RC_Drunkford]

DJ with 5 credited TO.

He also has 7 assists. Made a couple good reads. Just the usual problem with his assist to turnover ratio

[playblair]

if vessel is not starting on game 1 & gay/derozan/lma are i will not be watching the season

[paperboy77]

Wall is so fast

Yes but still overrated. Has a whole lot to prove.

[poopbox]

I guess they just don't call offensive fouls anymore

[Mugen]

Mind boggling that this FO is going to waste one of Jakob's contract years playing backup C.

[BillMc]

Is Shaq Jakob's FT coach?

[weebo]

Vassell is already better than Murray and Walker.

[Dejounte]

Trey went from being a 50% 3 pt shooter to a 0% one

[Atl Spur]

I'm giving credit where credit is due. I've been the biggest Murray critic out there. But you've got to give players a chance.

Lonnie doesn’t believe he belongs and Murray thinks he does.......quite the conundrum!

[YoungbuckMurray]

if vessel is not starting on game 1 & gay/derozan/lma are i will not be watching the season

you probably won’t be watching LOL

[Mugen]

Would much rather have Lonnie play a pseudo PG role if White is gonna be out for a while and Pop probably refusing to play Tre much this season.

[djohn2oo8]

Wall actually looks decent

[poopbox]

DJ with 5 credited TO.

Only one of them was actually his fault, the one he tried to force to LMA where the rockets swarmed the pass cause they knew he was going there...

He literally hit LMA in the hands with two great passes and LMA just didn't catch the ball...

[SPURt]

Wall looks good

[onechance87]

Yea cause hes invisible on offense while others suck

Everybody forcing shit...Making it sloppy basketball

[r0drig0lac]

Yes but still overrated. Has a whole lot to prove.

except Kawhi, Lebron, and maybe .... maybe Curry, every player in the league has a lot to prove.

[spurraider21]

Murray has passed well but dribbled poorly. hard to make that work

[paperboy77]

I'm giving credit where credit is due. I've been the biggest Murray critic out there. But you've got to give players a chance.

Still think Murray becomes more valuable in the playoffs. I think this regular season it may be hit or miss... hopefully more makes. I say you gotta continue to roll with him. He's NOT a spark off the bench kinda guy.

[spurraider21]

Wall actually looks decent
keep seeing the jersey number and thinking its ariza :lol

[XDT76]

Is Shaq Jakob's FT coach?

5 straight FT missed in pre-season is quite a concern

[Chomag]

Good move by poodle

[Atl Spur]

Pops testing Vassell......12 mins straight

[Texas_Ranger]

Still think Murray becomes more valuable in the playoffs. I think this regular season it may be hit or miss... hopefully more makes. I say you gotta continue to roll with him. He's NOT a spark off the bench kinda guy.

We should be nice and trade him to a team that will make the playoffs.

[Dejounte]

Time to waive Lyles

[rankingtear]

Murray playing much better, being the pick and roll ballhandler with LA as your roll man is harder than you think.

[RC_Drunkford]

:lmao @ all the people saying Lyles should start

[Leetonidas]

Fuck Lyles is trash

[onechance87]

get lyles out

[Chomag]

Lmao mills...

[YoungbuckMurray]

It’s official Lyles is trash

[poopbox]

Vassell getting a lot of burn...hopefully it means he gets minutes when the season starts

[RC_Drunkford]

5 straight FT missed in pre-season is quite a concern

but he has worked on his 3-point shot during the offseason :lmao

[onechance87]

Tre jones should be playing not patty wtf pop

[Dejounte]

Lyles getting destroyed on offense and defense

[Mugen]

It's gonna be so depressing to watch Pop hold these young guys back another season tbh. I legit can't think of a worse match between personnel and head coach in professional sports.

[DAF86]

Still think Murray becomes more valuable in the playoffs. I think this regular season it may be hit or miss... hopefully more makes. I say you gotta continue to roll with him. He's NOT a spark off the bench kinda guy.

Why would he suddenly start playing better on the playoffs than in the regular season?

[Dejounte]

It's gonna be so depressing to watch Pop hold these young guys back another season tbh. I legit can't think of a worse match between personnel and head coach in professional sports.

Which young guy are you talking about that's being held back right now? Vassell is playing a shitload of minutes.

[Atl Spur]

Vassell getting a lot of burn...hopefully it means he gets minutes when the season starts

Yeah I know.......check a few lines up sport��

[Chomag]

It's gonna be so depressing to watch Pop hold these young guys back another season tbh. I legit can't think of a worse match between personnel and head coach in professional sports.
Vassel is going to look good in an Austin uniform at least :lol

[Texas_Ranger]

Vassell getting minutes, but is not involved in offense at all. Pretty stupid

[EasyMoney]

Lyles is really trying to play himself out of the rotation.

[EasyMoney]

Tre jones out with dejounte. Let's see how this goes.

[onechance87]

wtf is pop doing

[GB20]

Bertan could have been perfect for the Spurs right now replacing lyles.

[Leetonidas]

I know pop isn't trying to win these games but jesus wtf is this lineup

[Dejounte]

It's just preseason but Aldridge looks like he has taken a step back. Father time looks like it's coming for him. Not good for his trade value.

[YoungbuckMurray]

Is the play to turn over the ball? Certainly looks like it

[XDT76]

Lyles getting destroyed on offense and defense

He sucks in this pre-season, but what is concerning is that when he and Gay are not playing no one is getting Rebounds

[spurraider21]

its 2020 and we are running our offense through poodle

[r0drig0lac]

it's over

[paperboy77]

except Kawhi, Lebron, and maybe .... maybe Curry, every player in the league has a lot to prove.

Um ok. Just sayin wall has been ALL hype! Maybe because I previously listened to SAS a ton on how he's a "brutha" and so on and so forth.

[Dejounte]

I know pop isn't trying to win these games but jesus wtf is this lineuphttps://twitter.com/RealTomPetrini/status/1338992255466676226?s=19

Pop is trying different combinations. Have to find out what small ball line ups work.

[Mugen]

I wonder if DWhite is asking for a trade. I'm assuming the FO lowballed him. I'd be pretty mad too if I saw what Dejounte got paid and how Bryn was getting big minutes over him.

Really excited to see what guys like Derrick, Lonnie, Keldon, Devin will be able to do without a garbage coach holding them back (even if it's not in San Antonio).

[Dennis the Menace]

Lyles sucks

[BackHome]

I really like that Houston player - Tate

[Dejounte]

He sucks in this pre-season, but what is concerning is that when he and Gay are not playing no one is getting Rebounds

Power forward is a top priority next offseason.

[LakerHater]

Tre & Patty at the same time?? Didn't we already go thru this shit???

[Msirotic]

Well, pre season is supposed to be used to figure things out... Pop gave the youngsters some burn and Lyles and heroball Mills are unplayable!

[Dejounte]

I wonder if DWhite is asking for a trade. I'm assuming the FO lowballed him. I'd be pretty mad too if I saw what Dejounte got paid and how Bryn was getting big minutes over him.

Really excited to see what guys like Derrick, Lonnie, Keldon, Devin will be able to do without a garbage coach holding them back (even if it's not in San Antonio).

Ahh I see. It's a schtick. Gotcha.

Yeah, what you described is totally within Teddy bear Derrick's character

[RC_Drunkford]

Lyles is really trying to play himself out of the rotation.

that's a good thing

[r0drig0lac]

Tre & Patty at the same time?? Didn't we already go thru this shit???

Pop can't control himself

[RC_Drunkford]

Power forward is a top priority next offseason.

Power Forward been a priority for 3 seasons and was never addressed

[Mugen]

Ahh I see. It's a schtick. Gotcha.

Yeah, what you described is totally within Teddy bear Derrick's character

Remember when your dumbass said that Pop playing Forbes over White/Keldon/Lonnie was a 5d chess move :lol

[Dejounte]

Remember when your dumbass said that Pop playing Forbes over White/Keldon/Lonnie was a 5d chess move :lol

Oh we got a sensitive one y'all

[Chomag]

Murray just doesn't have any natural instincts especially for a PG, he just looks so mechanical I just never understood the hype he has had around here.

[YoungbuckMurray]

Lyles and mills are so bad

[Robz4000]

Was just about to say that Clemens kid looks good, then he tears his Achilles...

[BillMc]

Did Tate just blow out his achilles?

[r0drig0lac]

damn

[Dex]

Was just about to say that Clemens kid looks good, then he tears his Achilles...

Yep, definitely looks like an Achilles...no contact, just a plant and pop. Sucks for that guy

[SPURt]

Damn, Clemons

[gambit1990]

the rockets announcers were talking about achilles early in the game. they said it seems like something that going around.

[BackHome]

It's just preseason but Aldridge looks like he has taken a step back. Father time looks like it's coming for him. Not good for his trade value.

Yeah noticed that to the game really slows down when he is playing definitely the odd man out.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurstalk favorite Jakob Poeltl with the team high -12

[BackHome]

Did he Pop his Achilles? I think that happens to only one player every year man that sucks for that kid if he tore it.

[Mugen]

At least Dejounte was finally able to beat somebody off the dribble :lol

[spurraider21]

Power forward is a top priority next offseason.
thats supposed to be Luka. could have had clarke

[Dejounte]

Damn that's so fucked

[Mugen]

:lol i just looked at the 2020 stats and the old man started Lyles for 50+ games, jesus christ

[Capt Bringdown]

LOL Sean Elliot: "Patty is an assassin."

[GB20]

the rockets announcers were talking about achilles early in the game. they said it seems like something that going around.
I think players are training too hard nowadays.

[cjw]

Was just about to say that Clemens kid looks good, then he tears his Achilles...

You can tell after that happened the Rockets lost all will to finish out this meaningless game. Hate to see those injuries. They’re not like ACLs where healing has gotten faster and guys generally come back fine. Achilles are huge question marks.

[poopbox]

Why is Lyles playing so much...would rather watch Ewww...banks

[RC_Drunkford]

:lol i just looked at the 2020 stats and the old man started Lyles for 50+ games, jesus christ

Like I been saying the main reason why this team sucked last year was cause Flopovich thought he has to start 2 3rd stringers in Forbes and Lyles

[Chomag]

So now that Forbes is gone is Lyles Pop's new charity case?

[SAGirl]

He also has 7 assists. Made a couple good reads. Just the usual problem with his assist to turnover ratio
Can’t watch the game so I am boxscoring. Is it the loose handle or careless passing?

[SAGirl]

Murray has passed well but dribbled poorly. hard to make that work
I see...

[Dex]

I am officially over Lyles. Dude sucks.

[Mugen]

Hopefully Lonnie gets a few more mins this game as primary ballhandler

[SPURt]

Caboclo looks like an accident of nature. Weird proportions

[RC_Drunkford]

Can’t watch the game so I am boxscoring. Is it the loose handle or careless passing?

both, but moreso the handle

[Chomag]

Trey Jones to Vessel dunk!! Hope to see more of that in the future

[tbdog]

Why is Lyles playing so much...would rather watch Ewww...banks

He hasn't played in 9 months. He needs get clean the rust.

[r0drig0lac]

Trey Jones to Vessel dunk!! Hope to see more of that in the future

and you will see....in gleague

[Dex]

That's an offensive foul on the Rockets to draw blood on Jones, but of course their shithead "analysts" said that he fouled him with his nose

[BackHome]

My God Lyles is sucking

[paperboy77]

We should be nice and trade him to a team that will make the playoffs.

Thought someone might say that. You're prolly not wrong.

[Seventyniner]

I wouldn't be surprised if Pop told Lyles to be really selfish. Pop likes to experiment in the preseason.

I also wouldn't be surprised at the opposite being true and Lyles is just chucking away. Either way, he's having a pretty bad game.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1339038663854972930?s=19

Fact of the matter is.... We are missing two big pieces to injury that could make team look a hell lot better (even though we aren't trying to win)

[BackHome]

and you will see....in gleague

To be honest lately I have found G League games more entertaining then NBA games

[Robz4000]

That's an offensive foul on the Rockets to draw blood on Jones, but of course their shithead "analysts" said that he fouled him with his nose

Houston has by far the worst color commentators in the league. Clyde Drexler should be banned from calling games.

[paperboy77]

Time to waive Lyles

WTF... wheres the like button?

[Dejounte]

Word on the Rockets forum is that the Harden to Sixers trade is a done deal...

[SPURt]

Man I hated Jeff Hornacek in the 90s

[Mr. Body]

Lol, why are people surprised by Lyles.

Dude was literally out of the league, having crapped out at Utah and Denver, two teams that value his precise skill-set, before the Spurs scraped him from the bottom of the barrel.

[Mugen]

With the way Lyles has played this preseason, he looks primed for big minutes under Pop

[Chomag]

Lmao Lyles wtf kind of shot is that!

[barakz21]

Wtf is Lyles still doing in the game? Might as well let Luka play.

[BackHome]

We Tanking there be Good at the end of this upcoming dark road.

[spurraider21]

Lyles is like TOSB Diaw but worse

[paperboy77]

I guess Whit is the damn MVP of this team after all. Pay the man!

[RC_Drunkford]

Word on the Rockets forum is that the Harden to Sixers trade is a done deal...

who do they get in return?

[playblair]

That's an offensive foul on the Rockets to draw blood on Jones, but of course their shithead "analysts" said that he fouled him with his nose
u watching the stream link as well :rollin

[Robz4000]

:lol Lyles doing exactly what he did in Utah and Denver in his second seasons

[Joseph Kony]

Lyles is sorry af. cut this dude

[Dennis the Menace]

Things that have been reinforced... Lyles sucks and Patty’s best attribute is coffee trips & towel waiving

[timtonymanu]

Lyles has always been shit lol. The team looked better without him in the bubble, go figure.

[SPURt]

How has Pop not seen enough of Lyles. Dude is shooting anything he touches.

[timtonymanu]

I can’t believe FkLA ever disrespected his boy Diaw by comparing Lyles to him :lol

[EasyMoney]

With some experience under his belt tre jones is going to be solid

[azarel]

Wtf is Lyles still doing in the game? Might as well let Luka play.

yah where's luka? is he injured or something...

[spurraider21]

With some experience under his belt tre jones is going to be solid
CoJo esque. Just lacks the edge on offense

[spurraider21]

yah where's luka? is he injured or something...
Food poisoning

[phxspurfan]

DrewDaTower eating dudes alive

[phxspurfan]

yah where's luka? is he injured or something...

who cares he sucks

[playblair]

ewbanks/vaselle/jones should not see time in austin they need to be in the main roster rotation.........lyels has missed time he is rusty he will get in rhythm & be an asset for the team......bench mills/gay

[Mugen]

Some positives from Lonnie tonight and Vassell continues to impress. Please god let Keldon and Derrick be healthy soon so the old moron doesn't permanently give their minutes to Patty and Trey. :lol

[Mr. Body]

They should trade Lyles for a gasoline enema.

[Dejounte]

who do they get in return?

Dont know

https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/sources-harden-to-philly.309091/

[tbdog]

Just watching bits here and there. Our defensive schemes look like a mess.

[Robz4000]

Dont know

https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/sources-harden-to-philly.309091/

:lol that means nothing. Now if it were tspence reporting...

[RD2191]

CoJo esque. Just lacks the edge on offense
:wakeup

[Dejounte]

:lol that means nothing. Now if it were tspence reporting...

Her track record looks to be spot on as per a couple CF members in that thread

[NASpurs]

Pop’s always gotta have at least one loser in the mold of Forbes, Lyles getting underserved minutes.

[BillMc]

I am sorry I recently defended Lyles!

[Dejounte]

Vassell was good. There was one play where it showed his clear weakness which we all knew:

He drove in and met Cousins at the rim and he looked like a literal rag doll when he fell on the floor. I'm concerned for him. He looked really fragile. Driving was never his strength, but good thing is, he's proving to be an ace shooter.

[BillMc]

In short:

Lonnie looked better.
DJ started out looking good, but then his old weaknesses popped up again.
Devin still looks really good for a rookie.
Lyles looked awful.
LMA and DeMarr didn't make much impressions.
Next time Jakob makes a free throw I'm getting drunk.

[RD2191]

I am sorry I recently defended Lyles!
:ban:

[BillMc]

:ban:
Oh man, the chickens have come home to roost for me. :lol

[Dejounte]

CI16vp-ooN7

[Dex]

Pop’s always gotta have at least one loser in the mold of Forbes, Lyles getting underserved minutes.

He was out there with the very last group. Hopefully that is a sign that this guy is not leading the way for a starting role, or even serious minutes.

Hopefully.

[BillMc]

I wonder how much playing time we can expect (with the big club) for Tre this season?

[Dejounte]

I'm expecting Cam Reynolds to be waived soon, and might not even come back to our Austin Spurs. He's showing nothing special out there.

[RC_Drunkford]

Definitely nees KBD to come back so he can take Lyles minutes

[Chinook]

I think Walker and DeRozan make for a strong duo, and with Aldridge OR Gay, I think it's the foundation for a good unit. I really don't like Murray getting touches, and I think with all three of Aldridge, Gay and DeRozan, there are too many guys who want the ball and too few scorers off the bench. I legit think Jones, Walker, DeRozan, Lyles, Aldridge might be the best SL the team can put out on opening day. Let Mills, Murray, Vassell, Gay, Poeltl but the high-energy deflections unit. Lonnie's doing enough to show he can still be salvaged, but Pop has to commit to that instead of jerking him around while considering DJM to be an entrenched vet.

I also worry that this is going to be another year of weird coaching decisions. Pop kept Walker on the bench for way too long when he was on a hot streak, and he played a short rotation for much of the second quarter and avoided giving Jones minutes checking guys like Wall and Gordon, which could've been valuable experience for Tre. With White's injury, I think Jones will get playing time in real games, so there's no point in treating him like an X-10 contract.

[Atl Spur]

Definitely nees KBD to come back so he can take Lyles minutes

This

[KobesAchilles]

I have no clue what the starting rotation is going to be but I hope to goodness it doesn’t have Lyles in it.

[Atl Spur]

I'm expecting Cam Reynolds to be waived soon, and might not even come back to our Austin Spurs. He's showing nothing special out there.

Yo, Murray let you down / us down......again. Trade him for divencenzo

[YoungbuckMurray]

ewbanks/vaselle/jones should not see time in austin they need to be in the main roster rotation.........lyels has missed time he is rusty he will get in rhythm & be an asset for the team......bench mills/gay

Gay? Really? He’s been one of the teams best players and he’s in the best shape out of all the vets

[Dejounte]

Yo, Murray let you down / us down......again. Trade him for divencenzo

If the first game was a 4/10 for Murray, today was a 6.5/10 one. It wasn't a let down.

[spurraider21]

Just have to hope Samanic is ready to take minutes from Lyles

[Dejounte]

I think Walker and DeRozan make for a strong duo, and with Aldridge OR Gay, I think it's the foundation for a good unit. I really don't like Murray getting touches, and I think with all three of Aldridge, Gay and DeRozan, there are too many guys who want the ball and too few scorers off the bench. I legit think Jones, Walker, DeRozan, Lyles, Aldridge might be the best SL the team can put out on opening day. Let Mills, Murray, Vassell, Gay, Poeltl but the high-energy deflections unit. Lonnie's doing enough to show he can still be salvaged, but Pop has to commit to that instead of jerking him around while considering DJM to be an entrenched vet.

I also worry that this is going to be another year of weird coaching decisions. Pop kept Walker on the bench for way too long when he was on a hot streak, and he played a short rotation for much of the second quarter and avoided giving Jones minutes checking guys like Wall and Gordon, which could've been valuable experience for Tre. With White's injury, I think Jones will get playing time in real games, so there's no point in treating him like an X-10 contract.

Jones as an opening day starter? Lmao you really do think outside of the box.

[Chinook]

Jones as an opening day starter? Lmao you really do think outside of the box.

I don't know that he's "better" than Murray, but the team needs DJM on the bench. I think Jones can bring the ball up on the floor, play and little defense and not get in DeRozan's way too much. That'd be a plus over what Murray has been doing.

[Dejounte]

Just have to hope Samanic is ready to take minutes from Lyles

If we're judging from one preseason game (as people love to do here), KBD is closer to taking those minutes than Samanic.

[phxspurfan]

Just have to hope Samanic is ready to take minutes from Lyles

:rollin

only thing Sammic is gonna take is a pity contract from CSKA Moscow or whatever and a flight back to Fukboiistan

[Dejounte]

I don't know that he's "better" than Murray, but the team needs DJM on the bench. I think Jones can bring the ball up on the floor, play and little defense and not get in DeRozan's way too much. That'd be a plus over what Murray has been doing.

I don't know. Criticism like this is better after the first game, not today's. Just odd that Murray is the target tonight vs the other issues that were more glaring: Aldridge being a step slow, Lyles losing all his talent Space Jam style, the discombobulated offense in the 2nd and 3rd. Somehow DJ, who did not play terrible, is the focus.

[Dejounte]

I need to see more defense from Lonnie. Training with Jrue should have helped in that area. Also, where's all the electrifying passes and vision he had displayed during the Bubble? I'm sad that's nowhere to be seen right now.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/bouncepassos/status/1339051364924715011?s=19

https://twitter.com/RealTomPetrini/status/1339050986762084354?s=19

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1339051490737057793?s=19

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1339056433648848898?s=19

https://twitter.com/JillJelnick/status/1339051422634139649?s=19

https://twitter.com/KSATRJ/status/1339054495666495488?s=19

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1339055894844350465?s=19

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1339051495032025095?s=19

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1339053419584172032?s=19

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1339053565596332033?s=19

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Dejonte Murray will never accept a role off the bench and it’s gonna cost the spurs
imagine a White/Lonnie(Vassell?)/Keldon/Derozan/Aldridge SL

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1339061934923116545?s=19

Insert Derrick "Charge Machine" White

[paperboy77]

Samanic ... food poisoning? What a freaking pussy! Some people would give their left nut to play in the NBA.

[NASpurs]

Dejonte Murray will never accept a role off the bench and it’s gonna cost the spurs
imagine a White/Lonnie(Vassell?)/Keldon/Derozan/Aldridge SL

Makes too much sense (Vassell for me). Expect it ten games remaining in the season when the team is lottery bound.

[SAGirl]

Just have to hope Samanic is ready to take minutes from Lyles
The fact we fans are lamenting that Luka isn’t ready to play is actually a sign of how much they need talent at that position.

[Chinook]

I don't know. Criticism like this is better after the first game, not today's. Just odd that Murray is the target tonight vs the other issues that were more glaring: Aldridge being a step slow, Lyles losing all his talent Space Jam style, the discombobulated offense in the 2nd and 3rd. Somehow DJ, who did not play terrible, is the focus.

Aldridge is awkward trying to figure out how to balance spacing the floor and still getting touches. I don't think he'll be settled in for a while.

Lyles has played poorly. But the team didn't draft or trade for a PF, so he's going to start. I wanted the team to draft a guy, but what can you do?

I think Murray was a huge part of the second- and third-quarter offense. He had five TOs in 17:09 stretch, and the Spurs went from up five to down four. I don't think he's nearly as blameless as you seem to think.

[PhantomDashCam]

My (over)reactions from tonight’s game:

- Shot distribution is a huge problem with this team.
You can see that selfishness come into play when LA, Mills, DJ etc. haven’t had their numbers called in a few possessions, the shot’s going up irrespective of time, score, defence...

- DJ has trademarked the bullet, dump off pass.

- Lyles needs to concentrate on the little things first. I thought his 3rd quarter was a huge improvement in that area, but no getting around it -
he has been terrible the first 2 games. He is clearly pressing with his shot but am encouraged that he is still shooting it.

- Vassell. Wow. The guy just gets it. Doesn’t need the ball to be effective, yet when he has it; makes smart decisions, takes the open shot. Hope he continues to play come regular season.

Would love to see a

White
Vassell
DDR
KJ
Poeltl lineup in the not too distant future.

[Chinook]

Dejonte Murray will never accept a role off the bench and it’s gonna cost the spurs
imagine a White/Lonnie(Vassell?)/Keldon/Derozan/Aldridge SL

DeRozan playing the four full time will not work. It's amazing to me that I have argue this after spending years arguing that DMDR could and should play PF situationally against a forum that believed he was an SG.

[Dex]

Dejonte Murray will never accept a role off the bench and it’s gonna cost the spurs
imagine a White/Lonnie(Vassell?)/Keldon/Derozan/Aldridge SL

Dude is not established enough to demand a position, even with his contract.

If Pop puts him on the bench, he'll come off the bench. Otherwise, GTFO

[Dejounte]

Aldridge is awkward trying to figure out how to balance spacing the floor and still getting touches. I don't think he'll be settled in for a while.

Lyles has played poorly. But the team didn't draft or trade for a PF, so he's going to start. I wanted the team to draft a guy, but what can you do?

I think Murray was a huge part of the second- and third-quarter offense. He had five TOs in 17:09 stretch, and the Spurs went from up five to down four. I don't think he's nearly as blameless as you seem to think.

Yeah, he's not blameless. At least two or three of those TOs were from his teammates fumbling the ball from his easy passes though.

[gambit1990]

if harden plays then how many points do the rockets win by?

[SAGirl]

I don't know. Criticism like this is better after the first game, not today's. Just odd that Murray is the target tonight vs the other issues that were more glaring: Aldridge being a step slow, Lyles losing all his talent Space Jam style, the discombobulated offense in the 2nd and 3rd. Somehow DJ, who did not play terrible, is the focus.
Dude let me see people’s opinions raw. It’s fine.

[Dejounte]

Clearly not a game they were trying to win, especially when they trotted out three point guard size players in the third.

[Dejounte]

Dude let me see people’s opinions raw. It’s fine.

Not telling people to stop. When you let people's go unchecked, unchallenged, what a boring forum that would be to read. It would be a big wave of the same opinions.

If you're bothered, put me on ignore.

[RD2191]

Oh man, the chickens have come home to roost for me. :lol
:lol

[GAustex]

Makes too much sense (Vassell for me). Expect it ten games remaining in the season when the team is lottery bound.
You switched your picture-i already miss Carroll's canary outfit!!

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Dude is not established enough to demand a position, even with his contract.

If Pop puts him on the bench, he'll come off the bench. Otherwise, GTFO
I do remember him pouting last season when he came off the bench a few games last season. Look like he checked out a little mentally as well

[Chinook]

Yeah, he's not blameless. At least two or three of those TOs were from his teammates fumbling the ball from his easy passes though.

My thing is that this is clearly a permanent issue with Murray. You're correct that he didn't have the same level of bad game that he had before. But unlike most of the issues that should be worked through once guys come back and settle into the real rotation, DeJounte will play like this for the rest of his time as a Spur. Yes, there are times, especially with DeRozan, that he'll trend more toward his garbage-man role and grade out better. But the erratic handles, lack of touch passing and tendency to try to do too much keep rearing their ugly heads, and if anything, the decent stretches only serve to set up the bad stretches because he feels more confident after seeing some success. Once White gets back, it'll look even worse because the opportunity cost will be higher.

I think Murray should be on the bench as his permanent spot. I think with Vassell then Johnson, he can be good there. But in times of injury, I don't want him to move into the starting-PG role. I wanted the team to sign a vet PG to do that, but they drafted Jones, so it's his go. All the starting PG has to do is let DMDR, LMA and hopefully Walker do their things. White can do that while also adding in good defense and steady offense. Murray can't do that because he's so inconsistent. Hopefully Jones can just be steady and get everyone into their sets and guard his position while the other guys do the heavy lifting. That's why I'd consider starting him. It's not that Murray is so awful that Tre has to be better. It's that Murray is a really bad fit with anyone else who needs the ball to score. Starting with basically everyone who needs the ball is a bad recipe.

[SAGirl]

Thanks for all the unfiltered and spontaneous opinions btw. I missed the game and as much as I appreciate Timvp grades his reviews are extremely vanilla with the general impression that most everyone always plays at least average and often above, which doesn’t square with the results in the game sometimes. Anyways I appreciate him but I want to have variety of opinions. Will only be watching games on nbatv (my cable offer carries it) and nationally TV games so I’d rather people just be spontaneous

[SAGirl]

Not telling people to stop. When you let people's go unchecked, unchallenged, what a boring forum that would be to read. It would be a big wave of the same opinions.

If you're bothered, put me on ignore.
No it’s when you are telling people to not jump to conclusions or whatever. I want to see what they thought based on what they saw. Then see your opinions if it applies and that’s fine, but you shutting people down bc it’s not appropriate or whatever it’s like wtf? What Am I here for? Do fans have to have so many caveats or just be fans

[Chinook]

No it’s when you are telling people to not jump to conclusions or whatever. I want to see what they thought based on what they saw. Then see your opinions if it applies and that’s fine, but you shutting people down bc it’s not appropriate or whatever it’s like wtf? What Am I here for? Do fans have to have so many caveats or just be fans

But I think it takes both. You and Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342) both know I'm not going to stop giving my opinion just because he critiques it. I think by seeing my opinion with his you get a better sense of the nuance in Murray's performance than you would if I'd said my piece and he just rebutted it without mentioning that he thinks I should've waited until a different game. There are definitely people on this forum who try to gatekeep the fandom or who want to gatekeep criticism by saying things like "sniffers" and "casuals". Dejounte's not one of them.

This is gonna be a long and bumpy season, SAG. We gotta buckle up.

[Dejounte]

My thing is that this is clearly a permanent issue with Murray. You're correct that he didn't have the same level of bad game that he had before. But unlike most of the issues that should be worked through once guys come back and settle into the real rotation, DeJounte will play like this for the rest of his time as a Spur. Yes, there are times, especially with DeRozan, that he'll trend more toward his garbage-man role and grade out better. But the erratic handles, lack of touch passing and tendency to try to do too much keep rearing their ugly heads, and if anything, the decent stretches only serve to set up the bad stretches because he feels more confident after seeing some success. Once White gets back, it'll look even worse because the opportunity cost will be higher.

I think Murray should be on the bench as his permanent spot. I think with Vassell then Johnson, he can be good there. But in times of injury, I don't want him to move into the starting-PG role. I wanted the team to sign a vet PG to do that, but they drafted Jones, so it's his go. All the starting PG has to do is let DMDR, LMA and hopefully Walker do their things. White can do that while also adding in good defense and steady offense. Murray can't do that because he's so inconsistent. Hopefully Jones can just be steady and get everyone into their sets and guard his position while the other guys do the heavy lifting. That's why I'd consider starting him. It's not that Murray is so awful that Tre has to be better. It's that Murray is a really bad fit with anyone else who needs the ball to score. Starting with basically everyone who needs the ball is a bad recipe.

I think the difference between me and you is I'm still giving players under 30 some allowance to improve. I read this:

"But the erratic handles, lack of touch passing and tendency to try to do too much"

And feel like these are things Murray can improve upon, just like how I feel White has areas he can improve even though he's already 26.

I'm neither for or against Murray coming off the bench. I just want the best rotations that can win.

[SAGirl]

But I think it takes both. You and Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342) both know I'm not going to stop giving my opinion just because he critiques it. I think by seeing my opinion with his you get a better sense of the nuance in Murray's performance than you would if I'd said my piece and he just rebutted it without mentioning that he thinks I should've waited until a different game. There are definitely people on this forum who try to gatekeep the fandom or who want to gatekeep criticism by saying things like "sniffers" and "casuals". Dejounte's not one of them.

This is gonna be a long and bumpy season, SAG. We gotta buckle up.
I am following this with interest and thankful that it’s interesting but I do feel that you are one of the most opinionated (which I like about you and others) other people are not as much and I am interested in them too.

[Chinook]

I think the difference between me and you is I'm still giving players under 30 some allowance to improve. I read this:

"But the erratic handles, lack of touch passing and tendency to try to do too much"

And feel like these are things Murray can improve upon, just like how I feel White has areas he can improve even though he's already 26.

I'm neither for or against Murray coming off the bench. I just want the best rotations that can win.

I think there's a difference between possible improvement and improvement that can be reasonably expected. I think it's possible for Murray to get better handles, but I wouldn't expect it like I'd expect say Jones to get better at shooting. I do think simply dialing down his ego would help Murray. Like even if his handles don't improve, if he doesn't try to cross over guys, he wouldn't lose the ball as much. If he didn't try to make tight passes as often, his lack of touch wouldn't be that big of an issue. I think with the right attitude, he'd be a legit positive player. I just don't think that attitude can get fixed on the Spurs, and that's why I can't expect him to improve.

Off the bench, if Murray plays like a better version of his rookie self, he'd really help the team. But that guy doesn't fit the SL, and this wannabe-Crawford version sure doesn't.

[Dejounte]

No it’s when you are telling people to not jump to conclusions or whatever. I want to see what they thought based on what they saw. Then see your opinions if it applies and that’s fine, but you shutting people down bc it’s not appropriate or whatever it’s like wtf? What Am I here for? Do fans have to have so many caveats or just be fans

Your desire for "variety of opinions" should just be re-worded as "I want everything negative". I've been reading your posts over the years, and boy, you have really changed into a big ball of cynicism. I understand, the Spurs have disappointed you so much, that you just want to view everything in a negative light since it hurts less as a fan to have low expectations. But I think it's just sad.

Sounds like the types of opinions you prefer are

Lol murray

Fuck lyles sucks

Haha sammich

Oh murray not a pg

... Great. That's what you prefer. These are the vanilla takes to me, not timvp's.

Anyway, put me on ignore if you feel like I'm shutting people down but realize you only feel I'm shutting people down because I'm sprinkling a little positivity into the situation and it makes your stomach churn because you've grown so bitter as a Spurs fan.

[SAGirl]

Your desire for "variety of opinions" should just be re-worded as "I want everything negative". I've been reading your posts over the years, and boy, you have really changed into a big ball of cynicism. I understand, the Spurs have disappointed you so much, that you just want to view everything in a negative light since it hurts less as a fan to have low expectations. But I think it's just sad.

Sounds like the types of opinions you prefer are

Lol murray

Fuck lyles sucks

Haha sammich

Oh murray not a pg

... Great. That's what you prefer. These are the vanilla takes to me, not timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8)'s.

Anyway, put me on ignore if you feel like I'm shutting people down but realize you only feel I'm shutting people down because I'm sprinkling a little positivity into the situation and it makes your stomach churn because you've grown so bitter as a Spurs fan.
Ehhh you haven’t annoyed me b4 and I don’t see a reason to ignore you. When you are more calm you will understand my point or not. Doesn’t matter. I’d rather see more spontaneous feedback and not less.

[Atl Spur]

Your desire for "variety of opinions" should just be re-worded as "I want everything negative". I've been reading your posts over the years, and boy, you have really changed into a big ball of cynicism. I understand, the Spurs have disappointed you so much, that you just want to view everything in a negative light since it hurts less as a fan to have low expectations. But I think it's just sad.

Sounds like the types of opinions you prefer are

Lol murray

Fuck lyles sucks

Haha sammich

Oh murray not a pg

... Great. That's what you prefer. These are the vanilla takes to me, not timvp's.

Anyway, put me on ignore if you feel like I'm shutting people down but realize you only feel I'm shutting people down because I'm sprinkling a little positivity into the situation and it makes your stomach churn because you've grown so bitter as a Spurs fan.

Big dog, first the fat boys break up now this��

[Prime BEEF]

I do remember him pouting last season when he came off the bench a few games last season. Look like he checked out a little mentally as well
If he’s permanently moved to 2nd string he will definitely check out. Need to keep him in starting lineup and then trade him. If he’s benched his stock will tank

[tim_duncan_fan]

Starting lineup: White, Vassell, DD, Luka after switching Tim's brain into his body, LaMarcus

Bench bucket getters coming in to run up the score:

DM/Patty, Lonnie, Keldon, Rudy, Jak


Luka being a disinterested POS is really fucking us right now.

[C-Dub]

DJM is going to be okay but most his on court time is with LMA. LMA is awful and has not been good for the Spurs except his 1st year with TD and that was solely because of TD. Imagine playing with a guy (LMA) whom can never and I mean never find the cutter cutting to the basket for an easy layup or nice dunk. He's been that way since the day he arrived. He has no awareness just catches the ball and becomes tunnel vision. TD would almost always notice the cutter are a nice pass out to someone for an open shot or pass that leads to another pass for an open shot. LMA is not good for the Spurs and DJM gets most the blame. DJM made a couple great passes to LMA and he just fumbled them away. Very low IQ player in LMA and Gay. DDR plays no defense. Our vets are not allstar caliber at this stage of their career and will not lead the Spurs to anything. There is a place for Patty on the team just not jacking up so many shots unless he's hot. Spurs will be okay in about 2 to 3 years, once KJ, White, LW4, DJM, Vassell and Poeltl gets more experience and not have to play with LMA and DDR but LMA is the worst and not to me many people on this forum notice it or just fail to Express it.

[tmtcsc]

DJM is going to be okay but

Stopped reading. He's not going to be okay, he sucks.

[tmtcsc]

Dejounte Murray, Lonnie Walker, Luka Sumbitch & Trey Lyles need to find their ways off this team in some form or fashion. Getting rid of Forbes and Metu should have just been the start of the house cleaning. Until this team elevates its talent, they'll be dragging in mediocrity. Gotta replace those dudes with players who are dawgs & compete. Spurs don't need players that just talk a big game or are trying to "find themselves". What a bunch of nonsense. As much as I appreciate Derrick White, dude needs to get healthy & toughen up too. Enough with the weird injuries and sitting out for weeks.

[RC_Drunkford]

DeRozan playing the four full time will not work. It's amazing to me that I have argue this after spending years arguing that DMDR could and should play PF situationally against a forum that believed he was an SG.

Ah yeah? And what exactly can your preferred starter Trey Lyles do better than DeRozan? I'll wait

[bluebellmaniac]

Dejounte Murray, Lonnie Walker, Luka Sumbitch & Trey Lyles need to find their ways off this team in some form or fashion. Getting rid of Forbes and Metu should have just been the start of the house cleaning. Until this team elevates its talent, they'll be dragging in mediocrity. Gotta replace those dudes with players who are dawgs & compete. Spurs don't need players that just talk a big game or are trying to "find themselves". What a bunch of nonsense. As much as I appreciate Derrick White, dude needs to get healthy & toughen up too. Enough with the weird injuries and sitting out for weeks.

The time to start judging Luka will be AFTER this season. He has another year of development before we see what kind of roux we have.

Yes, that's a cooking term.

[Leetonidas]

https://twitter.com/RealTomPetrini/status/1338992255466676226?s=19

Pop is trying different combinations. Have to find out what small ball line ups work.

I could have told you a lineup of Lyles/Vassell/C. Johnson /Murray/Jones would never play well together without ever needing to see them on the court at the same time :lol

[Dejounte]

I could have told you a lineup of Lyles/Vassell/C. Johnson /Murray/Jones would never play well together without ever needing to see them on the court at the same time :lol

As a whole, yes. But what if you're trying to see how Jones would run with Murray if they're both on the court together and how Tre runs with Lyles? It doesn't mean you want to see that trio on the court together at the same time, but rather you want to see things simultaneously. Like a combination within a combination. That's how I think a coach would think.

[rjv]

I could have told you a lineup of Lyles/Vassell/C. Johnson /Murray/Jones would never play well together without ever needing to see them on the court at the same time :lol

that was such an offensively challenged grouping. it was no shock that they couldn't get any points on the board.

[rjv]

lyles was quite possibly the worst player to get on the court, for either team, last night. he was just bad in so many phases of the game. with the exception of a few nice rebounding efforts, that was a goose egg of a performance.

[Dennis the Menace]

KBD > Lyles

[GAustex]

Intrigued by KBD need to see more.
The body type fits the bill

[BackHome]

Yeah I think if KBD can stay healthy he will definitely take Lyles place after this season. I am pretty happy the Spurs picked him up I know there were a couple of people who wanted us to draft him so it must be destiny taking charge..lol

[Dejounte]

Yeah I think if KBD can stay healthy he will definitely take Lyles place after this season. I am pretty happy the Spurs picked him up I know there were a couple of people who wanted us to draft him so it must be destiny taking charge..lol

Kind of reminds me of.... Jalen Smith.


https://youtu.be/XJ7fx8QpDaM

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/ymrVZ7l-khc

Sounds intelligent and well-spoken. He just needs a chance.

Does this guy have his own thread yet?

[Atl Spur]

Nice to see everyone else get on the wagon����.

[GAustex]

Dude KBD checks all the boxes-so why is he in this position where he is scrapping for work?

[The Truth #6]

Is KBD the new “savior”? I watched most of the first two games and barely remember him. Seems like a lot of ire towards Lyles is getting redirected into an altar for KBD. My guess is that neither of these guys is the answer.

[The Truth #6]

DeRozan playing the four full time will not work. It's amazing to me that I have argue this after spending years arguing that DMDR could and should play PF situationally against a forum that believed he was an SG.

To me, it’s less about DD and what works ideally, and more about accepting the reality that DD is going to be on the team and take up minutes of young prospects (Lonnie, Vassell, Keldon). So by playing DD at the 4 you are finding a way to get a young player who needs minutes onto the floor simultaneously. Until the season ends (pathetic to consider as it hasn’t even started yet) or the FO can make moves to clear a path for playing time for the young guard/wings, then I don’t see how else to do it. If they play Luka, then that negates the issue as it will be a lateral move to develop our only 4 prospect.

Of course they will likely strike an awkward balance to shoot for the playoffs and yet fail in getting the 8 seed while also failing to develop young players, but that is a situation to avoid in my opinion.

[Dejounte]

Is KBD the new “savior”? I watched most of the first two games and barely remember him. Seems like a lot of ire towards Lyles is getting redirected into an altar for KBD. My guess is that neither of these guys is the answer.

The few minutes he was in, he easily looked like he belonged on the court. Cam never made that impression to me. Same way when I watched Keldon in summer league, you just knew this kid is gonna be good. KBD moves on the court really well, unlike Trey who looks uncoordinated at times.

[rankingtear]

Dude KBD checks all the boxes-so why is he in this position where he is scrapping for work?

3pt shooting. Can't survive in the league as a wing without a decent three point shot. It's either he shoots above average on spot up 3 or out of the league for him.

[Atl Spur]

Is KBD the new “savior”? I watched most of the first two games and barely remember him. Seems like a lot of ire towards Lyles is getting redirected into an altar for KBD. My guess is that neither of these guys is the answer.

Slow down big guy...... KBD just showed some promise��