Derrick White Extension Official: $73 million over four years

[timvp]

nice.

[Robz4000]

Thank fucking God.

[MoSpur02]

Glad to hear it. You can delete my thread.

[Dhbsr555]

Link?

[BacktoBasics]

I would have loved 65 but it is what it is. An absolute must sign. So glad it got done.

[Texas_Ranger]

18.5M a year... :lol No wonder we suck when u have to pay role players that much.

[tbdog]

I still can't get my head around these new contracts.

[Texas_Ranger]

So which one will start. The 18M one or the 16M one?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

*begins long climb down from cliff's edge*

[Dejounte]

Derrick White is AT WORST a high performing role player. Great to secure a player of his caliber.

[Robz4000]

18.5M a year... :lol No wonder we suck when u have to pay role players that much.

:lol the fuck? White may not be an all star be he sure as shit isn't a role player.

[Texas_Ranger]

Next up Patty Mills 3Y 50M.

[DeRozan m8]

Imagine having a problem with this.

Murray and his contract is the overpaid one...

This is a steal

[timvp]

I was okay going up to about $78 million for White so $73 million is fine :tu

[Texas_Ranger]

:lol the fuck? White may not be an all star be he sure as shit isn't a role player.

When he'll play more than 25m a game i'll perhaps see something else.

[Robz4000]

When he'll play more than 25m a game i'll perhaps see something else.

Tell that to Pop tbh. He's been too busy playing Forbes 35 mins a game.

[Kurgan]

Makes sense to lock him down now before some dumbass team overpays him in the summer.

[Dejounte]

Players who earn roughly the same around as White per year:

Eric Gordon
Joe Harris
Domantas Sabonis
Bojan Bogdanovic
Clint Capela
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Eric Bledsoe
Dennis Shroder
Caris LeVert
Evan Fournier

[gambit1990]

great news.

[John B]

I never doubted :wakeup

[Sugus]

Logged on when I heard the news, what a great signing. You didn't lie about it going down to the wire, timvp, I was starting to get worried when the clock hit 8pm and no news had come out.

In other news, Raptors locked up OG Anunoby (sadly my most preferred RFA to try to overpay next season, guess we'll have to settle for Collins) for quite similar money, 4/$72M. Absolute steal for locking up OG long-term. Quite the "lucky" contract, am I right? :lmao

[Leetonidas]

Not bad considering what they paid Murray

[Texas_Ranger]

Tell that to Pop tbh. He's been too busy playing Forbes 35 mins a game.

now that he's gone lets hope White gets 30+. If Pop plans to play him 24 then this is a shit contract.

[Dex]

18.5M a year... :lol No wonder we suck when u have to pay role players that much.

At least we aren't giving $41M a year to Rudy fucking Gobert.

[Sugus]

Players who earn roughly the same around as White per year:

Eric Gordon
Joe Harris
Domantas Sabonis
Bojan Bogdanovic
Clint Capela
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Eric Bledsoe
Dennis Shroder
Caris LeVert
Evan Fournier

no OG on this list? Or are these current contracts, recently-signed ones notwithstanding?

[timvp]

Players who earn roughly the same around as White per year:

Eric Gordon
Joe Harris
Domantas Sabonis
Bojan Bogdanovic
Clint Capela
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Eric Bledsoe
Dennis Shroder
Caris LeVert
Evan Fournier

I don't think his agent had much of an argument to push the Spurs over $75 million ... so landing at $73 million is pretty impressive, tbh.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

If we want to have any semblance of an offense this year, White is going to have to be a big part of it. Let Patty shoot threes and be a 12 minute bench spark, let DJM defend and pick his spots, and let an actual point guard run the show.

[Kurgan]

Tell that to Pop tbh. He's been too busy playing Forbes 35 mins a game.

Pretty funny that Pop went out of his way to give Bryn all those minutes to get him paid and the best he got was 5 mil from the Bucks lol

[Dejounte]

Players who earn roughly the same around as White per year:

Eric Gordon
Joe Harris
Domantas Sabonis
Bojan Bogdanovic
Clint Capela
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Eric Bledsoe
Dennis Shroder
Caris LeVert
Evan Fournier

Players who earn just a little bit more than Derrick White (keep in mind, these guys will be up for extensions soon)

Zach LaVine
Myles Turner
Aaron Gordon
Jerami Grant
Danilo Gallinari
Julius Randle
Gary Harris
Victor Oladipo
Malcolm Brogdon
Harrison Barnes
Fred Vanvleet ($21,250,000 per year)

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

At least we aren't giving $41M a year to Rudy fucking Gobert.

Exactly.

[Dejounte]

no OG on this list? Or are these current contracts, recently-signed ones notwithstanding?

Not sure. I'm following this website:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/contracts/

[Robz4000]

now that he's gone lets hope White gets 30+. If Pop plans to play him 24 then this is a shit contract.

Honestly, if we get 2018/bubble Derrick White for 25 mins a game this contract will be a steal.

[JR3]

I’m good with this. Probably my favorite player on our team right now.

[BackHome]

Yeah I like White but he had not had a healthy year since he has played in this league so if we cool with him missing 10 - 20 games every season then so be it. If he stays healthy then the deal is a steal if he keeps on getting hurt well that means we going to have to waste a first on another PG so be it.

[timvp]

It'll be interesting to see if there are any options or incentives. For the Spurs' sake, I'm hoping no fourth-year player option and incentives that will protect them if White's body doesn't hold on.

[cd98]

Players who earn roughly the same around as White per year:

Eric Gordon
Joe Harris
Domantas Sabonis
Bojan Bogdanovic
Clint Capela
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Eric Bledsoe
Dennis Shroder
Caris LeVert
Evan Fournier

I'd take White over all these guys, except maybe Bogdanovic and Gordon (though he's getting old).

[Sugus]

Not sure. I'm following this website:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/contracts/

Yeah, it's definitely counting current contracts, since OG's would kick in next season if I'm not mistaken. Same as White's, he'd still be under his "old" contract this season.

[Mugen]

So happy for Derrick. Cut bait on these garbage veterans, get a competent head coach, and hope one of their upcoming lottery picks hits and the Spurs could have a chance of being good by 2024 :tu

[timtonymanu]

His injury concerns will always be lingering but it's worth the risk. The team has a much higher ceiling when White is healthy and playing. Great news.

Honestly, people shouldn't be complaining about the amount anymore. Players these days get paid much more. If Mills is worth 50 million, White is much more than that.

[Emperor]

So who we going for next summer with $50 million in cap? John Collins?

[ginobilized]

It has become increasingly shocking when there is good news here. Congrats to DW!!!
He is the catalyst for this team. I believe that Vassell, Murray, KJ and LA will play their best with DW on the floor with them.
Excited to see this team gel and relieved that we locked him up!

[cd98]

Also, White is 26 years old. A four year deal probably gets him through his best years. Not that a player can't be productive after 30, but certainly that's when the downward slide starts. So the Spurs lock him up for probably his best years.

[timtonymanu]

Imagine how much Timmy would make today considering what Gobert just got.

[PrimeMinister]

If he hits RFA after this season he easily gets an offer sheet in the range of 20+ million annually

It's a great deal. I like the message it sends to the other young players as well, they can expect some continuity amongst all the other turnover on the roster and eventually coaching staff.

[Leetonidas]

Maybe Pop will actually play him more than 30mpg now. Expect a lot of "that's what he gets paid to do" answers from Pop to the media this year :lol

[TD 21]

Always knew he had to get substantially more than Murray. Never bought his being 2+ years older or the pandemic affecting revenue short term as reasons for his not.

Good contract and if he can stay relatively healthy, could end up closer to a bargain as salaries continue to climb.



Absolute steal for locking up OG long-term. Quite the "lucky" contract, am I right? :lmao

So now they get credit him his representation/him being foolish and acceping lower than what they should have? :rolleyes

[Robz4000]

So who we going for next summer with $50 million in cap? John Collins?

Hopefully no one. There isn't a player worth it that'd come here. Focus on the youth and resigning the ones that are worth it. If anything they should use their cap space to take on bad contracts in exchange for draft capital.

[itzsoweezee]

Great news.

Now let's stop playing these vets that have no future with the team

[Mugen]

Hopefully no one. There isn't a player worth it that'd come here. Focus on the youth and resigning the ones that are worth it. If anything they should use their cap space to take on bad contracts in exchange for draft capital.

You don't want autistic Nephew coming back, bruh?

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1341159511143411712

[spurraider21]

good signing :tu

[spurraider21]

His injury concerns will always be lingering but it's worth the risk. The team has a much higher ceiling when White is healthy and playing. Great news.

Honestly, people shouldn't be complaining about the amount anymore. Players these days get paid much more. If Mills is worth 50 million, White is much more than that.
except mills was never worth 50

[Dejounte]

Yeah, it's definitely counting current contracts, since OG's would kick in next season if I'm not mistaken. Same as White's, he'd still be under his "old" contract this season.

I filtered it to compare White's contract with players who have contracts that run 2023 and beyond:



Player
Salary per year
Contract ends
Draft #


Buddy Hield
23500000
2024
Round 1 / Pick 6


Fred Vanvleet
21250000
2024
Undrafted


Danilo Gallinari
20475000
2023
Round 1 / Pick 6


Jerami Grant
20002500
2023
Round 2 / Pick 39


Myles Turner
20000000
2023
Round 1 / Pick 11


Eric Gordon
18893589
2024
Round 1 / Pick 7


Joe Harris
18750000
2024
Round 2 / Pick 33


Domantas Sabonis
18725000
2024
Round 1 / Pick 11


Derrick White
18250000
2024
Round 1 / Pick 29


Bogdan Bogdanovic
18000000
2024
Round 1 / Pick 27


Caris Lavert
17500000
2023
Round 1 / Pick 20


Markelle Fultz
16666667
2024
Round 1 / Pick 1




Not bad for the 29th pick of the draft.

[PhantomDashCam]

5 key players now under contract for at least the next 3 seasons and 2 more that may grow into significant roles in the near future.
Great job Spurs!

[Robz4000]

You don't want autistic Nephew coming back, bruh?

:lmao

[exstatic]

Next up Patty Mills 3Y 50M.

Markelle Fultz money. :lol What a huge fall for a #1 overall pick, although he did get an extension when others didn’t.

[BackHome]

Hopefully no one. There isn't a player worth it that'd come here. Focus on the youth and resigning the ones that are worth it. If anything they should use their cap space to take on bad contracts in exchange for draft capital.

Totally agree the big free agents in 2021 are fast drying up and I don't see us having any chance with anyone good other then maybe Derozz? But yeah I would hope they look at take a bad contract or two to next us some draft picks at least for 2022.

[Down Under]

Bargain for the Spurs

[Mugen]

I would kiss that gigantic forehead if I could tbh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ2Payw3V5Q

[Rummpd]

Maybe for once Spurs FO did not mess it up. Now he needs to stay healthy and produce. Count me not convinced he can do both but hope wrong.

[kht]

Maybe I'm still in stuck in 2010-level salaries. So now guys averaging 11 ppg get 18 mill per? 18 mill like the new 7 mill?

[poopbox]

So who we going for next summer with $50 million in cap? John Collins?

Him or Lauri

[FkLA]

This will be up there, with Manu's 6 year/$48 million dollar deal in 2003, as one of the best deals PATFO has ever pulled off, imho.

[FkLA]

Maybe I'm still in stuck in 2010-level salaries. So now guys averaging 11 ppg get 18 mill per? 18 mill like the new 7 mill?

Yes, you are stuck in the past. Max guys used to make in the high 20s (wasnt that long ago that Conley became the first guy that got into the 30s). Now you have max guys in the 50s.

This is a bargain, tbh.

[Dejounte]

On court play aside, Derrick is easily the one who represents the Spurs the best. Very likable personality. Not a big social media presence, and goes around the SA community to be actively part of it.

[TD 21]

Don't judge contracts in terms of the money itself (that's just a reflection of leaguewide revenue, 50% of which goes to the players), but rather percentage of the cap.

The cap this season is $109M.14M and will probably be around that the following one, so if his average is roughly $18.25M, that's less than 1/6th or 16.6% of the cap for a malleable, solid starter.

[Trueblood]

So happy for Derrick. Cut bait on these garbage veterans, get a competent head coach, and hope one of their upcoming lottery picks hits and the Spurs could have a chance of being good by 2024 :tu

Yes. This is what I've been saying.

DDR and LA to contenders for two late first rounders. Give the young guns all the minutes they need to develop. Punt the season and collect a single digit lottery pick. Flip the two late first rounders (from the DDR & LA trades) for one late lottery pick. Use the two lottery picks to either move up for a franchise player to take this supporting cast to the next level or get two really good young guys. By the 2023/24 season AD/LeBron/Curry/Harden etc all on the downside just when we're hitting our stride.

[CGD]

So what’s that, about 8-9m more than DJs?

[Mr. Body]

Easily the most important players on the Spurs roster with second place uncertain and far away. Derrick White is the straw that stirs the drink. Without him, they are terrible; with him, they are actually a team. Had to sign him.

[Mugen]

God I hope they move either Derozan or LMA sooner rather than later. Put the ball in Derrick's hands, let him work and the Spurs can survive if one of DD/LMA is eating touches.

But having both out there is such an energy suck for the young guys and the style of play tbh.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1341179270794780673?s=09

[CGD]

Easily the most important players on the Spurs roster with second place uncertain and far away. Derrick White is the straw that stirs the drink. Without him, they are terrible; with him, they are actually a team. Had to sign him.

It’ll probably be Vassell here soon, tbh.

[Mr. Body]

It’ll probably be Vassell here soon, tbh.

To me the core is White, Vassell, Jones, Johnson. They should trade LMA and DDR soon(ish) and see if Walker pans out. I kind of think Murray is on the trading block.

[Dejounte]

To me the core is White, Vassell, Jones, Johnson. They should trade LMA and DDR soon(ish) and see if Walker pans out. I kind of think Murray is on the trading block.

How the fuck did Jones suddenly become a core piece? He hasn't shown anything. Hold your horses lmao

[bluebellmaniac]

How the fuck did Jones suddenly become a core piece? He hasn't shown anything. Hold your horses lmao

Lol!!!

[spurraider21]

This will be up there, with Manu's 6 year/$48 million dollar deal in 2003, as one of the best deals PATFO has ever pulled off, imho.
:lol remember enrique's 3/45

[Mr. Body]

How the fuck did Jones suddenly become a core piece? He hasn't shown anything. Hold your horses lmao

Just watch.

[Mugen]

:lol remember enrique's 3/45

:lol

[spurraider21]

the spurs havent had a second round pick of theirs play rotation minutes since dejuan blair :lol... tre jones is far from being considered a core piece

[Mr. Body]

the spurs havent had a second round pick of theirs play rotation minutes since dejuan blair :lol... tre jones is far from being considered a core piece

He should have been in the first round. Just watch. He'll be the backup point for a good while.

[spurraider21]

He should have been in the first round. Just watch. He'll be the backup point for a good while.
yeah maybe he can become cory joseph

[Mr. Body]

yeah maybe he can become cory joseph

Sure. Jones is literally the only other point guard on the roster other than Derrick White. And he plays great defense. It's like y'all don't even know this team.

[spurraider21]

Sure. Jones is literally the only other point guard on the roster other than Derrick White. And he plays great defense. It's like y'all don't even know this team.
its like you dont even know pop

white/murray/mills will all get PG minutes, with derozan being the de facto PG much of the time, particularly when mills/murray are out there

[tonight...you]

its like you dont even know pop

white/murray/mills will all get PG minutes, with derozan being the de facto PG much of the time, particularly when mills/murray are out there
Hate to say it, but this is true.

[Mr. Body]

its like you dont even know pop

white/murray/mills will all get PG minutes, with derozan being the de facto PG much of the time, particularly when mills/murray are out there

It may take Jones some time to crack the rotation, but he'll be there. Murray I think will be gone, probably, and Mills won't be around in a year or two. DDR certainly won't.

[R. DeMurre]

The vaunted 2021 free agent class is drying up fast: Jonathan Isaac and Anunoby signed extensions today too. John Collins is one of the last to remain.

[exstatic]

Maybe I'm still in stuck in 2010-level salaries. So now guys averaging 11 ppg get 18 mill per? 18 mill like the new 7 mill?

You are. Top salaries are now approaching, if not actually at $50M. $20M is the new $10M.

[BatManu20]

Good deal tbh. Had to get it done and $73M is not a bad price tag at all for a player of his caliber.

[spurraider21]

It may take Jones some time to crack the rotation, but he'll be there. Murray I think will be gone, probably, and Mills won't be around in a year or two. DDR certainly won't.
jones will be in the gleague for a vast vast majority of at least this season

[Dverde]

Derrick seems like a great person. Not sure he is worth all that money, but someone was going to give it to him. Happy to lock him up for his prime years.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1341190022456852482

[SpursDynasty85]

Injuries are the only thing holding back White to outplay his contract. He deserved better during this whole post kawhi-phase but he got a fair market value contract. That Bogdanovic contract looks real good for his size and skill set, otherwise, comparable to others.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1341190022456852482

Poor Luka. Doesn't even get mentioned lmao

[rankingtear]

Injuries are the only thing holding back White to outplay his contract. He deserved better during this whole post kawhi-phase but he got a fair market value contract. That Bogdanovic contract looks real good for his size and skill set, otherwise, comparable to others.

Yeah Bogdanovic probably set his market value, secondary ballhandler who can shoot. Same thing with Poeltl and Plumlee.

[Dejounte]

A lot of fans from other teams think the Spurs overpaid and that White has no upside because of his age (on RealGM)

All I gotta say is L O L

Also, Jrue Holiday is an example of a late bloomer. He was still getting better at age 26. White can follow that trajectory.

[r0drig0lac]

not bad imo

[MannyIsGod]

Impossible to be mad at this signing. Could very well be an insane bargain after this year if we get a y ear like the bubble showed we might. Get fucking healthy cause i need to see that lineup back.

[Robz4000]

A lot of fans from other teams think the Spurs overpaid and that White has no upside because of his age (on RealGM)

All I gotta say is L O L

Also, Jrue Holiday is an example of a late bloomer. He was still getting better at age 26. White can follow that trajectory.

:lmao RealGM

[DPG21920]

Spurs definitely seem like they aren’t penny pinching at all. They got flack for being like the only team haggling over rookie scale deals but they seem to not care about haggling over a few million. If they want a player they seem to be more than happy to spend high end of their number as to avoid contentious negotiations (not all but many).

We will see if they can optimize things elsewhere but congratulations to Derrick!

It’s also beyond HILARIOUS that Pop paid Murray & White and refused to actually play them together at all :lmao

[FutureMan]

Him or Lauri

Or better yet. Both.

[widowmaker]

Ok. Now is that “toe” injury going away so he can get on the court and help out?

[The Truth #6]

I don’t think enough is being made of the fact that he gets paid more than Murray. That is huge for setting the pecking order on the team. We want White to make more than Murray, tbh.

[J_Paco]

I don’t think enough is being made of the fact that he gets paid more than Murray. That is huge for setting the pecking order on the team. We want White to make more than Murray, tbh.

Who cares?

Wasn't Tony paid more than Manu for years, yet ST swears that Manu was much, much better?

I understand that it is just out of habit for ST to pit players against each other - on a message board that none of them frequent or know exists - yet the team needs multiple players to overachieve.

We need a franchise changing talent (hopefully at the 4 & in the upcoming draft) and multiple quality pieces surrounding them. Derrick and DeJounte could easily be two of those pieces and wanting both to excel is key.

Unless ST prefers to be reminiscing about a bygone era for 10 - 20 years & looking at the lottery for that same amount of time.

[SAGirl]

Glad to see it, and congratulations to him. He was definitely owed more than Murray. Now I just hope he gets and stays healthy. It’s definitely a concern.

[J_Paco]

Glad to see it, and congratulations to him. He was definitely owed more than Murray. Now I just hope he gets and stays healthy. It’s definitely a concern.

Why was he "owed" more? His representation negotiated a more lucrative deal.

Nothing more or less about it.

[SAGirl]

Yeah I like White but he had not had a healthy year since he has played in this league so if we cool with him missing 10 - 20 games every season then so be it. If he stays healthy then the deal is a steal if he keeps on getting hurt well that means we going to have to waste a first on another PG so be it.
I am mildly concerned that he won’t live up to it due to injuries but that’s just a terrible pessimistic take. The man is young and has had minutes carefully managed and he still gets nags and injuries. Still better to pay him, who is a quality player who has Spurs character than some unknown that may turn out to be overhyped and fit doubtful. I am glad he got paid and congratulations to him and the team. Now let me light candles at church that his body holds up. lol

[DAF86]

18.5M a year... :lol No wonder we suck when u have to pay role players that much.

White is the Spurs' best player.

[Dennis the Menace]

Derrick took 5 charges against the Kings in the bubble. He’s the glue to the team, IMO. The team goes as he goes.

Manu needs to have a talk with him about saving his body

[Sugus]

So now they get credit him his representation/him being foolish and acceping lower than what they should have? :rolleyes

I mean, considering you don't give credit for the things Masai does, giving him credit for things he doesn't seems like a balancing act, tbh :lol

Also, why's the assumption that OG is foolish and accepted a lower amount? The same could be said for White - the same way White has injury concerns, OG hasn't been more than a roleplayer and not a large spot on the team offensively. Very well could've netted a lesser contract next season if he hadn't secured the bag, especially considering it's his first big deal. But oh well, no credit to be found where it's due from you.

[Atl Spur]

White is the Spurs' best player.

Not a crazy take! He’s definitely up there...........

[SAGirl]

Maybe Pop will actually play him more than 30mpg now. Expect a lot of "that's what he gets paid to do" answers from Pop to the media this year :lol
I think if he’s not playing those minutes it’s an injury management, minutes management thing. I would expect him to be unleashed fully when back healthy. I am looking forward to seeing the team with him healthy as well.

[Sugus]

I filtered it to compare White's contract with players who have contracts that run 2023 and beyond:

Not bad for the 29th pick of the draft.

Man, some of these new contracts are nasty. Grant and Turner don't deserve that kind of money, Vanvleet doesn't either IMO but that championship pedigree was gonna get him paid for sure. The Fultz $50M extension he signed today also really surprised me, too high for what he's shown on the court thus far. I'm loving this White contract more and more.

Now where's the FO haters saying they were gonna lose White or fail to extend him? :lol

[phxspurfan]

Ok, lets get it

[phxspurfan]

It may take Jones some time to crack the rotation, but he'll be there. Murray I think will be gone, probably, and Mills won't be around in a year or two. DDR certainly won't.

I hope Murray is gone. Decent guy but pretty useless in this system as it turned out / given the personnel around him. If Bradley Beal / Klay Thompson or some shit was here, or if DeMar suddenly decided to capably shoot 4 threes a game, then Murray has way more value (if he learns to dribble lower and more protected). But if he stays the same, he's not a good fit on this team since he would need to play PG and there is a lack of shooters, play makers, and now plenty of defenders.

[Joseph Kony]

not bad but mofo better be starting from day one like he should be

[99 Problems]

:lobt2:

[tmtcsc]

Imagine having a problem with this.

Murray and his contract is the overpaid one...

This is a steal

Yes sir

[rankingtear]

I hope Murray is gone. Decent guy but pretty useless in this system as it turned out / given the personnel around him. If Bradley Beal / Klay Thompson or some shit was here, or if DeMar suddenly decided to capably shoot 4 threes a game, then Murray has way more value (if he learns to dribble lower and more protected). But if he stays the same, he's not a good fit on this team since he would need to play PG and there is a lack of shooters, play makers, and now plenty of defenders.

This is a temporary system tailor made for developing a primary. Spurs should wait for that player to be drafted or developed before deciding who is useless. In the words of Brian Wright. just stack talent on top of talent.

[KobesAchilles]

I hope we make a run at Collins next year. He is just wasting away in Atlanta

[Budkin]

Hopefully he can get back to 2019 playoffs form. He was so good.

[BillMc]

Ok. Now is that “toe” injury going away so he can get on the court and help out?

My only concern about White is his durability. He always seems to be playing through an injury or coming back from one. People rightly want Pop to give him more minutes but can his body handle it? Sort of Splitter-esque. Really good when he's in and healthy, but nagging injuries diminish him for long stretches.

[Thomas82]

Nice!! Now can we get some upgrades at the center and power forward spots in 2021!?!?!

[The Truth #6]

Who cares?

Wasn't Tony paid more than Manu for years, yet ST swears that Manu was much, much better?

I understand that it is just out of habit for ST to pit players against each other - on a message board that none of them frequent or know exists - yet the team needs multiple players to overachieve.

We need a franchise changing talent (hopefully at the 4 & in the upcoming draft) and multiple quality pieces surrounding them. Derrick and DeJounte could easily be two of those pieces and wanting both to excel is key.

Unless ST prefers to be reminiscing about a bygone era for 10 - 20 years & looking at the lottery for that same amount of time.

No. We need Derrick White to be the starting point guard and Dejounte Murray to realize that. It’s not about the fans. I agree that fans should want all the players to do well, sure, but for Dejounte to understand his best role, which he is struggling to do so far, he needs to understand that point guard isn’t it. I didn’t think this was controversial.

[rankingtear]

No. We need Derrick White to be the starting point guard and Dejounte Murray to realize that. It’s not about the fans. I agree that fans should want all the players to do well, sure, but for Dejounte to understand his best role, which he is struggling to do so far, he needs to understand that point guard isn’t it. I didn’t think this was controversial.

Who cares when you have Pat Bev as a point guard .Who knows who the point is between lowry and vanvleet, lonzo and bledsoe, harden and wall. Stevens and Pop have said that they don't classify players 1-5 anymore there are only guards, wings and big man. White can have all the usage he can handle when LA and Demar leave, does it matter who gets the label?.

[Dejounte]

Who cares when you have Pat Bev as a point guard .Who knows who the point is between lowry and vanvleet, lonzo and bledsoe, harden and wall. Stevens and Pop have said that they don't classify players 1-5 anymore there are only guards, wings and big man. White can have all the usage he can handle when LA and Demar leave, does it matter who gets the label?.

Fans are too obsessed with the label. You would think they weren't rooting for a team who had Manu come off the bench for most of his career. Destroying the 2nd team is one of the main elements that made the Spurs successful in the past. If White gets a lot of minutes and also closes the game out, what does it matter if he starts?

[widowmaker]

My only concern about White is his durability. He always seems to be playing through an injury or coming back from one. People rightly want Pop to give him more minutes but can his body handle it? Sort of Splitter-esque. Really good when he's in and healthy, but nagging injuries diminish him for long stretches.


I think most players out there play with some sort of injury. What i dont understand is when a player suffers an injury at the very end of the season and somehow over the off season they do not over come those injuries and are not available to begin the season. I know this was a short off season but the spurs got bounced early and im also referencing nephew and his injury back in 2017.

[exstatic]

Fans are too obsessed with the label. You would think they weren't rooting for a team who had Manu come off the bench for most of his career. Destroying the 2nd team is one of the main elements that made the Spurs successful in the past. If White gets a lot of minutes and also closes the game out, what does it matter if he starts?

That team isn’t this team. The dynasty Spurs were never as unbalanced and shooting challenged in their starting lineup. After seeing the bubble team pairing DJ and White in the SL, I’m surprised that YOU aren’t advocating it at the top of your lungs for the pairing.

[exstatic]

I think most players out there play with some sort of injury. What i dont understand is when a player suffers an injury at the very end of the season and somehow over the off season they do not over come those injuries and are not available to begin the season. I know this was a short off season but the spurs got bounced early and im also referencing nephew and his injury back in 2017.

Yes, it was an extremely short offseason, and White had SURGERY. I’ll type that again, in case it didn’t register. White had SURGERY.

[bluebellmaniac]

Can't cure Planter F. How improved does it get w surgery? Seems like it's still a problem.

[Dejounte]

That team isn’t this team. The dynasty Spurs were never as unbalanced and shooting challenged in their starting lineup. After seeing the bubble team pairing DJ and White in the SL, I’m surprised that YOU aren’t advocating it at the top of your lungs for the pairing.

I recognize that. I just see the rotation as completely fluid as the pecking order is constantly shifting because of players getting better or getting worse. I don't see a need to have an "end all, be all" attitude towards White MUST start in order for us to be successful.

[exstatic]

I recognize that. I just see the rotation as completely fluid as the pecking order is shifting because of players getting better or getting worse. I don't see a need to have an "end all, be all" attitude towards White MUST start in order for us to be successful.

Yeah, except the only times we’ve looked like a good basketball team in the last 18 months, he was starting.

Pop doesn’t gravitate towards the fluid rotation thing, either.

[BackHome]

So does anyone know how long White is going to be out?

[Dejounte]

Yeah, except the only times we’ve looked like a good basketball team in the last 18 months, he was starting.

Pop doesn’t gravitate towards the fluid rotation thing, either.

We look like a basketball team when he's on the court because of how impactful he is, not because he's a starter. There's many layers to unpack to this, I just disagree it's set in stone what White's role should be. Again, it's just a label. In my eyes, you achieve the best synergy with your line-ups instead of simply putting out your five best players out there first. I don't mind White starting, in fact, I support it. I just don't have a die on the hill type stance for it.

[widowmaker]

Yes, it was an extremely short offseason, and White had SURGERY. I’ll type that again, in case it didn’t register. White had SURGERY.

Can you type that one more time i still don’t get it im not as smart as you.

[Dex]

Can't cure Planter F. How improved does it get w surgery? Seems like it's still a problem.

The surgery wasn't for the plantar fasciitis. It was for a dislocated toe. It's anybody's guess how one will affect the other.

But yes, generally speaking you can't cure plantar fasciitis, you can only treat it and it may or may not go away. It could also pop back up at any time. Timmy struggled with it for probably the last decade of his career.

[exstatic]

We look like a basketball team when he's on the court because of how impactful he is, not because he's a starter. There's many layers to unpack to this, I just disagree it's set in stone what White's role should be. Again, it's just a label. In my eyes, you achieve the best synergy with your line-ups instead of simply putting out your five best players out there first. I don't mind White starting, in fact, I support it. I just don't have a die on the hill type stance for it.

The thing is, last year, minus the bubble, our starting lineup dug HUGE holes that our bench couldn’t always get us out of. We need to NOT start as many second quarters down 10-15 points. If White starts, we still have Keldon and Devin to wreak havoc on opposing benches.

[Dex]

So does anyone know how long White is going to be out?

No timeline that I've heard of yet.

One report I saw said KJ was about 1-2 weeks off and doing 3-on-3 drills, and White was still well behind him and still not doing any contact.

If I had to guess, maybe 4-6 weeks...but I'm pretty much just pulling that out of my butt.

[Dex]

The thing is, last year, minus the bubble, our starting lineup dug HUGE holes that our bench couldn’t always get us out of. We need to NOT start as many second quarters down 10-15 points. If White starts, we still have Keldon and Devin to wreak havoc on opposing benches.

Well put.

Spurs used to rely on the starters keeping even with opposing starters, maybe even getting a slight lead. Then the bench would come in and blow things out of the water.

Last year, the bench spent most of their time just trying to get us even again...at which point the starters would return and lose us the game.

[FkLA]

When you play as hard as my boy plays theres going to be injuries here and there. Just like Manu. As long as they're not structural it's fine. Rather deal with that than have an "iron man" like that faggot Brent Forms who would literally get out of the way rather than sacrifice his body to draw a charge.

[look_at_g_shred]

Fans are too obsessed with the label. You would think they weren't rooting for a team who had Manu come off the bench for most of his career. Destroying the 2nd team is one of the main elements that made the Spurs successful in the past. If White gets a lot of minutes and also closes the game out, what does it matter if he starts?
It matters because of the hole the SL (Murray/LMA/DDR) puts the second unit in. White coming off the bench when the spurs are down double digits vs being competitive and competent from the start.

[look_at_g_shred]

When you play as hard as my boy plays theres going to be injuries here and there. Just like Manu. As long as they're not structural it's fine. Rather deal with that than have an "iron man" like that faggot Brent Forms who would literally get out of the way rather than sacrifice his body to draw a charge.
White impacts WINNING basketball. Shit you can't teach. I see it in Devin and Johnson.

[exstatic]

White impacts WINNING basketball. Shit you can't teach. I see it in Devin and Johnson.

All three of them are smart, versatile two way players. If you just want versatile and two way, throw Dejounte on the pile. He’s not a PG, but he has offensive skills, too.

[Dejounte]

It matters because of the hole the SL (Murray/LMA/DDR) puts the second unit in. White coming off the bench when the spurs are down double digits vs being competitive and competent from the start.

Y'all are nuts not to think Bryn was not the major reason for that hole last season.

[Dejounte]

Well put.

Spurs used to rely on the starters keeping even with opposing starters, maybe even getting a slight lead. Then the bench would come in and blow things out of the water.

Last year, the bench spent most of their time just trying to get us even again...at which point the starters would return and lose us the game.

Bryn Forbes

[Dejounte]

The thing is, last year, minus the bubble, our starting lineup dug HUGE holes that our bench couldn’t always get us out of. We need to NOT start as many second quarters down 10-15 points. If White starts, we still have Keldon and Devin to wreak havoc on opposing benches.

Bryn Forbes

[widowmaker]

Yes, it was an extremely short offseason, and White had SURGERY. I’ll type that again, in case it didn’t register. White had SURGERY.

Can you type that one more time i still don’t get it im not as smart as you.

[Mugen]

Y'all are nuts not to think Bryn was not the major reason for that hole last season.

I mean, he wasn't starting himself was he?

Not blaming the senile fuck that needed most of the season + a global pandemic to realize he should maybe play Dejounte and Derrick together :lol

[Dex]

Bryn Forbes

Can he become the new He Who Shall Not Be Named around here?

[Dejounte]

I mean, he wasn't starting himself was he?

Not blaming the senile fuck that needed most of the season + a global pandemic to realize he should maybe play Dejounte and Derrick together :lol

Did I say he wasn't responsible? Maybe stop hunting down every post that doesn't criticize Pop. You don't get paid enough to do that.

[Mugen]

Did I say he wasn't responsible? Maybe stop hunting down every post that doesn't criticize Pop. You don't get paid enough to do that.

Bryn Forbes

[exstatic]

Bryn Forbes

Was Bryn here this preseason? Because our SL looked very similar in tone and tempo. The ball doesn’t move without someone initiating it, and DD looks nothing like bubble DD. Not sure what you saw in the preseason, but I saw last year, and it wasn’t pretty.

[Dejounte]

Was Bryn here this preseason? Because our SL looked very similar in tone and tempo. The ball doesn’t move without someone initiating it, and DD looks nothing like bubble DD. Not sure what you saw in the preseason, but I saw last year, and it wasn’t pretty.

Pre-season:

-LaMarcus regressed
-LaMarcus + Poetl combo is too slow, was barely used in a line-up last year
-No show by Lonnie (2 out of 3 games)
-It's pre-season

[exstatic]

Pre-season:

-LaMarcus regressed
-LaMarcus + Poetl combo is too slow, was barely used in a line-up last year
-No show by Lonnie (2 out of 3 games)
-It's pre-season

So, Lonnie took the place of Forbes as the shooting guy who does nothing else, and blows his assignments pretty regularly on defense. No wonder they looked like last year.

[Dejounte]

So, Lonnie took the place of Forbes as the shooting guy who does nothing else, and blows his assignments pretty regularly on defense. No wonder they looked like last year.

Yes, Derrick White should very well take his spot if he's going to continue performing poorly. But I'm not counting on it. Lonnie will wake up soon, hopefully.

The idea of letting Bryn go and have basically anyone replace him should theoretically increase the team's floor. It's just not happening right now because Lonnie is performing way below expectations.

(Having LMA + Poetl on the floor together is a separate topic and frankly, the idea of them being on the floor together will probably vanish soon)

[exstatic]

I think Lonnie needs to be the new Patty, the bench shooting spark. Devin will find him often enough to make it a good move.

[Mugen]

I think Lonnie needs to be the new Patty, the bench shooting spark. Devin will find him often enough to make it a good move.

Strong agree. I actually think the ball should be in Lonnie's hands more as the primary bench facilitator. His playmaking is underrated and it'll force him to be more aggressive tbh.

White/Murray/Keldon/DD/LMA
Lonnie/Patty/Devin/Rudy/Jak

That's my preferred rotation once the team is healthy. I'd be fine with starting Lonnie instead of Keldon but still want IV with the ball in his hands as much as possible .

[The Truth #6]

Who cares when you have Pat Bev as a point guard .Who knows who the point is between lowry and vanvleet, lonzo and bledsoe, harden and wall. Stevens and Pop have said that they don't classify players 1-5 anymore there are only guards, wings and big man. White can have all the usage he can handle when LA and Demar leave, does it matter who gets the label?.

You seem to be missing the point. Who cares? Dejounte Murray. And that’s the issue.

[TDomination]

great extension!

his biggest issue is injuries but he's by far the teams best player and a good one at that.

his defense is great, hes got good court vision. he can be physical and finesse.

he needs to avg 30mpg minimum for this team to see the results. we'll see if his health allows him to do that.

[TDomination]

Strong agree. I actually think the ball should be in Lonnie's hands more as the primary bench facilitator. His playmaking is underrated and it'll force him to be more aggressive tbh.

White/Murray/Keldon/DD/LMA
Lonnie/Patty/Devin/Rudy/Jak

That's my preferred rotation once the team is healthy. I'd be fine with starting Lonnie instead of Keldon but still want IV with the ball in his hands as much as possible .

i'd be very happy with that lineup.

[itzsoweezee]

Maybe I'm still in stuck in 2010-level salaries. So now guys averaging 11 ppg get 18 mill per? 18 mill like the new 7 mill?

7 million is less than the mid level exception. That's like Jacob Poetl money

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Strong agree. I actually think the ball should be in Lonnie's hands more as the primary bench facilitator. His playmaking is underrated and it'll force him to be more aggressive tbh.

White/Murray/Keldon/DD/LMA
Lonnie/Patty/Devin/Rudy/Jak

That's my preferred rotation once the team is healthy. I'd be fine with starting Lonnie instead of Keldon but still want IV with the ball in his hands as much as possible .

:tu I'd be good with that as well.

Lonnie might actually improve by coming off the bench but still getting his minutes, but more touches as the key guy off the bench. Keldon is just a more rugged player at this point, so having him out there with the starters makes sense.

[phxspurfan]

:tu I'd be good with that as well.

Lonnie might actually improve by coming off the bench but still getting his minutes, but more touches as the key guy off the bench. Keldon is just a more rugged player at this point, so having him out there with the starters makes sense.

your starting lineup has no shooting. It would get blown out by 20 every game

[bluebellmaniac]

Did I say he wasn't responsible? Maybe stop hunting down every post that doesn't criticize Pop. You don't get paid enough to do that.

Wait, those guys are getting paid for that?...

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

your starting lineup has no shooting. It would get blown out by 20 every game

It was Mugen's lineup...but anyway...

Are you talking 3 point shooting? Would you suggest Patty or Vassell? Our roster isn't exactly loaded with outside shooters better than what's suggested.

[RC_Drunkford]

Pre-season:

-LaMarcus regressed
-LaMarcus + Poetl combo is too slow, was barely used in a line-up last year
-No show by Lonnie (2 out of 3 games)
-It's pre-season

LaMarcus regressed because Derrick White is injured. If there are 2 players that have the most synergy together on this entire roster it’s Derrick White and LaMarcus Aldridge. If LA starts Derrick has to start period

[spurraider21]

Strong agree. I actually think the ball should be in Lonnie's hands more as the primary bench facilitator. His playmaking is underrated and it'll force him to be more aggressive tbh.

White/Murray/Keldon/DD/LMA
Lonnie/Patty/Devin/Rudy/Jak

That's my preferred rotation once the team is healthy. I'd be fine with starting Lonnie instead of Keldon but still want IV with the ball in his hands as much as possible .
i'd love that lineup, though it's going to take pop getting convinced to go small like that

hopefully samanic works his way into there too...

[RC_Drunkford]

So, Lonnie took the place of Forbes as the shooting guy who does nothing else, and blows his assignments pretty regularly on defense. No wonder they looked like last year.

That‘s why Vassell should be the starting SG. Gives you shooting, spacing and that help defense is a huge need for the starters.

[Mugen]

i'd love that lineup, though it's going to take pop getting convinced to go small like that

hopefully samanic works his way into there too...

It makes too much sense so I'm sure we won't see it until late in the season when the Spurs are 10+ games out of the playoffs and the old man has tried every other possible combination.

Unfortunately, Lyles will probably get his minutes as well. Trading one or two of the 4 vets would do wonders for the rotation and the team but that should have been accomplished in the offseason obviously.... can't believe they're all back to start the year.

[spurraider21]

It makes too much sense so I'm sure we won't see it until late in the season when the Spurs are 10+ games out of the playoffs and the old man has tried every other possible combination.

Unfortunately, Lyles will probably get his minutes as well. Trading one or two of the 4 vets would do wonders for the rotation and the team but that should have been accomplished in the offseason obviously.... can't believe they're all back to start the year.
oh fuck, forgot about lyles and his obligatory 20 minutes to do nothing out there besides jog back and forth

[phxspurfan]

It was Mugen's lineup...but anyway...

Are you talking 3 point shooting? Would you suggest Patty or Vassell? Our roster isn't exactly loaded with outside shooters better than what's suggested.

If it was me it would be Vassell or Walker. Since it's Pop it's gonna be Mills or some shit though. Or he will instruct Trey Lyles and LMA to put up 10 combined 3s a game.


IIRC my proposed lineup was (or something like)


LMA
Gay
Vassell
DeRozan
White/Murray (while White is out injured)

Bench unit:

Purrtl/Mills (PnR)
Walker / Johnson (when back from his injury)
Jones / Murray

Do not open until emergencies:

KBD (until we figure out his true role here)
DrewDaTower (for his career high 8/8 game...it's coming I swear)
Lyles (fuck this dude he sucks he's our Forbes/Ayres/Bonner this year)

G League

Sammich
QueenDairy

[spurraider21]

If it was me it would be Vassell or Walker. Since it's Pop it's gonna be Mills or some shit though. Or he will instruct Trey Lyles and LMA to put up 10 combined 3s a game.


IIRC my proposed lineup was (or something like)


LMA
Gay
Vassell
DeRozan
White/Murray (while White is out injured)

Bench unit:

Purrtl/Mills (PnR)
White / Johnson (when back)
Jones / Murray

Do not open until emergencies:

KBD (until we figure out his true role here)
DrewDaTower (for his career high 8/8 game...it's coming I swear)
Lyles (fuck this dude he sucks he's our Forbes/Ayres/Bonner this year)

G League

Sammich
QueenDairy
jones isnt going to be a thing this year

[phxspurfan]

jones isnt going to be a thing this year

sadly yes. I think he would be good enough to be backup PG in a pinch once he fully learns the system. Like a Jacque Vaughn / set the table type of player, not expecting much else. But give him some time with our shooting coach and he could turn into a poor mans Fred Van Vleet?

[exstatic]

If it was me it would be Vassell or Walker. Since it's Pop it's gonna be Mills or some shit though. Or he will instruct Trey Lyles and LMA to put up 10 combined 3s a game.


IIRC my proposed lineup was (or something like)


LMA
Gay
Vassell
DeRozan
White/Murray (while White is out injured)

Bench unit:

Purrtl/Mills (PnR)
Walker / Johnson (when back from his injury)
Jones / Murray

Do not open until emergencies:

KBD (until we figure out his true role here)
DrewDaTower (for his career high 8/8 game...it's coming I swear)
Lyles (fuck this dude he sucks he's our Forbes/Ayres/Bonner this year)

G League

Sammich
QueenDairy

OK, your starting lineup has worse shooting than Mugens, and 3 ball stoppers in DD, LMA, and Gay. That’s not materially different from last year’s lineup that shit the bed and missed the playoffs. Devin would never touch the ball.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

OK, your starting lineup has worse shooting than Mugens, and 3 ball stoppers in DD, LMA, and Gay. That’s not materially different from last year’s lineup that shit the bed and missed the playoffs. Devin would never touch the ball.

Agreed. Having LMA and DeRozan both out there is, again, going to create a ton of movement problems. The addition of Gay as a starter only makes it an older and slower unit. Vassell for Forbes would be a huge upgrade, but not enough to suddenly make that lineup work well. With Murray starting this lineup gets into some huge holes to open most games.
I wonder if either LMA or DeRozan get less playing time/touches and suddenly demands a trade if that would actually end up helping the team in the long run.

[phxspurfan]

Agreed. Having LMA and DeRozan both out there is, again, going to create a ton of movement problems. The addition of Gay as a starter only makes it an older and slower unit. Vassell for Forbes would be a huge upgrade, but not enough to suddenly make that lineup work well. With Murray starting this lineup gets into some huge holes to open most games.
I wonder if either LMA or DeRozan get less playing time/touches and suddenly demands a trade if that would actually end up helping the team in the long run.

No way LMA/DeRozan get less PT on their contracts / with their status on the team. Sure, Gay can be moved to the bench and Walker can slot into SG, with DeMar at PF and Vassell at SF. But it's not even feasible to suggest LMA or DeMar are benched or receive no minutes (unless they hold out / request trade / are in the process of being traded).

[KobesAchilles]

I mean I assume Lonnie will be coming off the bench. Pair him with KJ and that should be fun to watch.

White and Murray start together and that should help with the defense but Vassell needs to start period. He fits in so seamlessly with that group and fixes everything that is wrong with that group in Murray and DDR. He can take and make the open 3 (ahem DJ, DDR) and he can cover up with his length for the help defense when teams get past DDR and when DJ makes an incredibly stupid gamble for a steal. Also the one area Vassell may struggle with: rebounding (not that he’s a bad one but he isn’t filled out yet), DJ does incredibly well. We need DJs rebounding a lot in this small ball line up.

[ducks]

White is good
But NBA will lose more money this year cap not be as high
Should have locked him up around 60 million

[baseline bum]

LaMarcus regressed because Derrick White is injured. If there are 2 players that have the most synergy together on this entire roster it’s Derrick White and LaMarcus Aldridge. If LA starts Derrick has to start period

Let's just make it Derrick has to start period. He's not getting enough minutes for his efficiency and production.

[Texas_Ranger]

White is the Spurs' best player.

no wonder we suck

[DAF86]

no wonder we suck

If Pop would treat Derrick as the best player in the roster that he is, we would be a Lot better than what we are right now.

[RC_Drunkford]

Let's just make it Derrick has to start period. He's not getting enough minutes for his efficiency and production.

Yeah he should get 20 shots per game, shoot at least 5 3-pointers and play at least 30 minutes (and actually more like 35).

The best starting line up is

White/Vassell/Keldon/DeRozan/LA

DeRozan is the only non shooter and plays like a PF most of the time anyway. So the spacing would be ideal and you have 2 ball handlers in White and DeRozan. Good help defense from the wings which helps to hide DDR and maximizes Aldridge‘s defense as a rim protector.

Murray/Mills/Walker/Gay/Poeltl

should be the bench line up. Again 3 good shooters with Dejounte who can hit the occasional 3. Walker and DJ can work on their scoring ability against bench players, they can play fast, got enough defense out there and if they need a bucket they can iso Rudy.

That‘s the most ideal rotation if you ask me. The only thing Pop should try occasionally is to play Bates-Diop at the 4. Let Lyles wave the towel from the sidelines

[Texas_Ranger]

If Pop would treat Derrick as the best player in the roster that he is, we would be a Lot better than what we are right now.

still wouldnt change the fact that we would suck. If Derrick White is the best player on your team, the only thing that team could do is fight for the 13th place in the west.

[DAF86]

still wouldnt change the fact that we would suck. If Derrick White is the best player on your team, the only thing that team could do is fight for the 13th place in the west.

Nah, supposing we cut all the dead weight, we could fight for a playoffs spot.

[exstatic]

No way LMA/DeRozan get less PT on their contracts / with their status on the team. Sure, Gay can be moved to the bench and Walker can slot into SG, with DeMar at PF and Vassell at SF. But it's not even feasible to suggest LMA or DeMar are benched or receive no minutes (unless they hold out / request trade / are in the process of being traded).
One of them can be a token starter, and come out after 4 minutes, and Pop can stagger them to minimize their minutes together. It’s no secret that they are an awful fit. The Spurs are noticeably better per 100 possessions when one of them is off the floor, EITHER one.

[phxspurfan]

and play at least 30 minutes (and actually more like 35)

3 games and he'd be out for the year with another foot injury...

[phxspurfan]

One of them can be a token starter, and come out after 4 minutes, and Pop can stagger them to minimize their minutes together. It’s no secret that they are an awful fit. The Spurs are noticeably better per 100 possessions when one of them is off the floor, EITHER one.

I can see the moping now... either one...

either a big billboard would pop up at the Rim like "mah touches wuz better in Portland"

or a bunch of spam IG posts with the other's head in his hands like "they aint bout dis thug lyfe"

[rankingtear]

Yeah he should get 20 shots per game, shoot at least 5 3-pointers and play at least 30 minutes (and actually more like 35).

The best starting line up is

White/Vassell/Keldon/DeRozan/LA

DeRozan is the only non shooter and plays like a PF most of the time anyway. So the spacing would be ideal and you have 2 ball handlers in White and DeRozan. Good help defense from the wings which helps to hide DDR and maximizes Aldridge‘s defense as a rim protector.

Murray/Mills/Walker/Gay/Poeltl

should be the bench line up. Again 3 good shooters with Dejounte who can hit the occasional 3. Walker and DJ can work on their scoring ability against bench players, they can play fast, got enough defense out there and if they need a bucket they can iso Rudy.

That‘s the most ideal rotation if you ask me. The only thing Pop should try occasionally is to play Bates-Diop at the 4. Let Lyles wave the towel from the sidelines

You do know what 20 shots per game look like? That is watch me iso and stand in the corner offense.

[RC_Drunkford]

You do know what 20 shots per game look like? That is watch me iso and stand in the corner offense.

I was exaggerating. If Aldridge and DeRozan can get 15 shots per game, White can get them as well. Give him some of their touches. It‘s more about him getting more possessions period cause he always makes the right reads

[rankingtear]

I was exaggerating. If Aldridge and DeRozan can get 15 shots per game, White can get them as well. Give him some of their touches. It‘s more about him getting more possessions period cause he always makes the right reads

Yeah 15 shots per game is the bubble White, same as Jamal Murray's usage who if the pull up game is for real is what I think White's offensive ceiling is. Regular season Jamal not playoff Jamal.

[The Truth #6]

If Pop would treat Derrick as the best player in the roster that he is, we would be a Lot better than what we are right now.

Definitely true.

[C-Dub]

The only way Vassell starts this season besides spot starts due to players sitting out due to rest or injury, would be if LMA and/or DDR gets traded at the trade deadline. Vassell has great potential but he will need time to adjust to the regular season NBA games. He will need more time to learn and adapt on the defensive end more than the offensive end. Not saying that he's not a great defender but there's not many players that come into the league their 1st year and be beast on defense right away, it's not that easy going up against savvy NBA players. He will eventually start fulltime but we may have to wait until next season which he will be better prepared after a season under his belt. With that being said the rotations on most nights will probably look something like this:

DJM, Mills, T. Jones, QW
White, LW4, Vassell
DDR, KJ, Vassell
Gay, Lyles, Luka, KBD
LMA, Jakob, Eubanks

Vassell will also see more playing time if the Spurs trade away LMA earlier in the season and go small ball. In that scenario:

DJM, Mills, TJ, QW
White, LW4,
KJ, Vassell
DDR, Gay, Luka, KBD
Jakob, Lyles, Eubanks

[daslicer]

White has a Steve Nash like quality when he's on the floor in the way he just elevates the players around him on the offensive end and it seems like the offense just get's better. Not saying he will ever be as good as Nash but I always get that type of feel when he's on the court.

[Dejounte]

I think we're going to see an improved White (or the continued Bubble version of White) just because of these incentives on his contract:

https://twitter.com/bouncepassos/status/1341760960554557442?s=19

[exstatic]

I think we're going to see an improved White (or the continued Bubble version of White) just because of these incentives on his contract:

https://twitter.com/bouncepassos/status/1341760960554557442?s=19

He’s going to have to let fly if he wants to make that 3 pointer incentive. At his career rate of 36%, and allowing for him to miss 10 games this year, he’ll have to put up 8.3 per game.

[Sugus]

He’s going to have to let fly if he wants to make that 3 pointer incentive. At his career rate of 36%, and allowing for him to miss 10 games this year, he’ll have to put up 8.3 per game.

That's Tatum numbers. If White can do that, fine by me, tbh... Nice incentives on the contract, though I don't think he'll achieve either of the last two (hopefully gets the 70 games one).

[Seventyniner]

He’s going to have to let fly if he wants to make that 3 pointer incentive. At his career rate of 36%, and allowing for him to miss 10 games this year, he’ll have to put up 8.3 per game.

iirc Dejounte has an incentive to hit 125 threes in a season too, and he's even less likely to get there imo.

I wonder if the incentives are all prorated to 82 games? 185 in an 82-game season is 163 (rounding to the next higher integer) in 72 games. If White plays all 72 games (already impossible, I know) he would have to hit 2.26 per game, which would take just under 6.3 attempts per game at a 36% make rate.

[exstatic]

I like the 3 pointer incentives built into the youngsters contacts.

[TD 21]

I mean, considering you don't give credit for the things Masai does, giving him credit for things he doesn't seems like a balancing act, tbh :lol

Also, why's the assumption that OG is foolish and accepted a lower amount? The same could be said for White - the same way White has injury concerns, OG hasn't been more than a roleplayer and not a large spot on the team offensively. Very well could've netted a lesser contract next season if he hadn't secured the bag, especially considering it's his first big deal. But oh well, no credit to be found where it's due from you.

:lmao You naive, gullible novice. Executives/coaches careers are mostly built on luck. Players careers aren't though (outside of winning the genetic lottery to begin with).

Anunoby is a 23 year old, 3 and D combo forward. Setting superstars/stars aside, there's no more valuable/rare archetype in today's game. If he waited, he probably get's at least what Isaac got and more on an offer sheet.

They're on a Warriors esque run of luck though. Like them, soon enough it'll starting balancing itself out.

[tim_duncan_fan]

White/Vassell/Keldon/DeRozan/LA will inevitably be the closing lineup when we aren't facing teams with 2 large bigs.

We won't be able to not play Keldon. We will realize that we can't not play Vassell.

Murray is going to have to take that L.

[Sugus]

:lmao You naive, gullible novice. Executives/coaches careers are mostly built on luck. Players careers aren't though (outside of winning the genetic lottery to begin with).

Anunoby is a 23 year old, 3 and D combo forward. Setting superstars/stars aside, there's no more valuable/rare archetype in today's game. If he waited, he probably get's at least what Isaac got and more on an offer sheet.

They're on a Warriors esque run of luck though. Like them, soon enough it'll starting balancing itself out.

Weren't you complaining about my "ad-hominem ridden" writeup the other day? You sure don't mind being a hypocrite...

I don't disagree that executives' careers can be built on luck. I have a harder time agreeing in terms of coaching, because it takes way more than luck (and way more than lucking into a team with good or superstar-level players) to make a coaches' career. And I don't know why you'd say they don't for players, when some of them clearly have their careers made on luck - for example, lucking into a team that already has a superstar and carries you to success and big paydays (cough, Kuzma, cough). A lot of luck involved.

The Warriors had a lot more than luck going their way, though, which I guess is always going to be something you're not going to acknowledge. Kerr, despite copying a lot of Pop's sets and philosophies (of course, I'm waiting for you to call Kerr a trash coach as well :lol), is a good coach; they've made some great signings and got value on those contracts, not to mention getting KD to sign there, a feat in itself even if it fucked parity (a "lucky recruitment", amirite? :lol). They built their dynasty the same way the Spurs built theirs, through the draft, sans KD who they signed after winning their first chip. Not a lot of luck in drafting well and developing your draftees well, tbh.

As far as Anunoby, yeah, he could've gotten more in RFA... Which is why it's a great signing to get him at a discount, and a feat of the front office (the same way our FO should be lauded to have gotten White at a bargain price instead of letting him hit FA like some posters here were already predicting); it's not Anunoby being a fool, why would he be? Is there no other narrative in your head other than discrediting good executive jobs? Kinda one-trick-pony for a shtick, tbh.

[Kurgan]

The only way Vassell starts this season besides spot starts due to players sitting out due to rest or injury, would be if LMA and/or DDR gets traded at the trade deadline. Vassell has great potential but he will need time to adjust to the regular season NBA games. He will need more time to learn and adapt on the defensive end more than the offensive end. Not saying that he's not a great defender but there's not many players that come into the league their 1st year and be beast on defense right away, it's not that easy going up against savvy NBA players. He will eventually start fulltime but we may have to wait until next season which he will be better prepared after a season under his belt. With that being said the rotations on most nights will probably look something like this:

DJM, Mills, T. Jones, QW
White, LW4, Vassell
DDR, KJ, Vassell
Gay, Lyles, Luka, KBD
LMA, Jakob, Eubanks

Vassell will also see more playing time if the Spurs trade away LMA earlier in the season and go small ball. In that scenario:

DJM, Mills, TJ, QW
White, LW4,
KJ, Vassell
DDR, Gay, Luka, KBD
Jakob, Lyles, Eubanks

Lyles is fodder. Dump him from the bench and play Keldon at the 4 so we can make room for Vassell. He's already better than most of the players on the team. Makes no sense to give him the "earn your stripes" vet bullshit.

[r0drig0lac]

White/Vassell/Keldon/DeRozan/LA will inevitably be the closing lineup when we aren't facing teams with 2 large bigs.

We won't be able to not play Keldon. We will realize that we can't not play Vassell.

Murray is going to have to take that L.

?

[tim_duncan_fan]

?
You're saying we already realize that?

[r0drig0lac]

You're saying we already realize that?

it's more about Pop realizing things and there's a good chance it won't happen that fast (although I still don't agree that Vassell is absolutely necessary in the s5, but that's another question)

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1342186000462831618?s=19

[Dex]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1342186000462831618?s=19

No options :tu That's the important thing.

[TD 21]

Weren't you complaining about my "ad-hominem ridden" writeup the other day? You sure don't mind being a hypocrite...

I don't disagree that executives' careers can be built on luck. I have a harder time agreeing in terms of coaching, because it takes way more than luck (and way more than lucking into a team with good or superstar-level players) to make a coaches' career. And I don't know why you'd say they don't for players, when some of them clearly have their careers made on luck - for example, lucking into a team that already has a superstar and carries you to success and big paydays (cough, Kuzma, cough). A lot of luck involved.

The Warriors had a lot more than luck going their way, though, which I guess is always going to be something you're not going to acknowledge. Kerr, despite copying a lot of Pop's sets and philosophies (of course, I'm waiting for you to call Kerr a trash coach as well :lol), is a good coach; they've made some great signings and got value on those contracts, not to mention getting KD to sign there, a feat in itself even if it fucked parity (a "lucky recruitment", amirite? :lol). They built their dynasty the same way the Spurs built theirs, through the draft, sans KD who they signed after winning their first chip. Not a lot of luck in drafting well and developing your draftees well, tbh.

As far as Anunoby, yeah, he could've gotten more in RFA... Which is why it's a great signing to get him at a discount, and a feat of the front office (the same way our FO should be lauded to have gotten White at a bargain price instead of letting him hit FA like some posters here were already predicting); it's not Anunoby being a fool, why would he be? Is there no other narrative in your head other than discrediting good executive jobs? Kinda one-trick-pony for a shtick, tbh.

There's no ad-homenim's here.

I clearly wasn't talking about players lucking into situations like the one you described.

Please. The Warriors have blown almost every draft pick and made poor signing for years. They lucked into business minded Iguodala wanting to join their then young core because of proximity to Silicon Valley, then Durant because of the cap spike/insecurity about "legacy". Same core, same everything, but put them in a non glamour market, neither is giving them the time of day.

They're not a dynasty. They played at a dynastic level, but otherwise won 3 tainted/contrived championships and had a mere 5 year run of excellence before crashing back down to earth.

[Sugus]

There's no ad-homenim's here.

I clearly wasn't talking about players lucking into situations like the one you described.

Please. The Warriors have blown almost every draft pick and made poor signing for years. They lucked into business minded Iguodala wanting to join their then young core because of proximity to Silicon Valley, then Durant because of the cap spike/insecurity about "legacy". Same core, same everything, but put them in a non glamour market, neither is giving them the time of day.

They're not a dynasty. They played at a dynastic level, but otherwise won 3 tainted/contrived championships and had a mere 5 year run of excellence before crashing back down to earth.

Damn, so you call your mama "naive, gullible novice"? Lol.

You don't really talk precisely about things, though, just a nebulous of "luck" that's somehow enough to justify championship teams being made, players playing at that level, yet somehow doesn't put any credit in the FOs and coaches that bring those teams up from the ground in the first place. It's hard to know precisely what you define by "luck", tbh, and you're not helping it (maybe you yourself don't know?).

The Warriors have blown every pick... Except for the ones that matter? Lmao. Literally drafted Steph. Drafted Klay. Drafted Draymond (in the second round, no less). You saying the Warriors have blown "almost every draft pick" is hilariously stupid and actively reductive of the good draftees that they have hit on. Like saying "The Spurs have blown almost every pick!! Except for Timmy, DRob, Tony, Manu....." which sadly is an argument that I've read on here. Stupid all around.

The KD move was lucky. For sure. The Iguodala, I don't agree with, but maaaybe. You still ignore that they drafted and built the entire rest of the team, AND were already champions before KD. So a role-player like Iggy signing there, to you a lucky thing, is enough to discredit the rest of the work required to put that team together and coach them into a championship calibre team? Please.

:lmao at the last point. The Warriors are a dynasty. They just are... Not really a debate (you could try and give me your warped definition of a dynasty, but I have a feeling I won't agree with it). Their championships being "tainted" is just a perception, their titles are worth exactly as much as anyone else's, tbh, exactly one ring. And a 5 year run of excellence is dynasty-worthy... You think every team has the ability to carry their championship windows through several decades like the Spurs have?

....Wait, thinking back on our previous exchanges, you actually might think that. It really is that easy, isn't it? Lol.

[TD 21]

Damn, so you call your mama "naive, gullible novice"? Lol.

You don't really talk precisely about things, though, just a nebulous of "luck" that's somehow enough to justify championship teams being made, players playing at that level, yet somehow doesn't put any credit in the FOs and coaches that bring those teams up from the ground in the first place. It's hard to know precisely what you define by "luck", tbh, and you're not helping it (maybe you yourself don't know?).

The Warriors have blown every pick... Except for the ones that matter? Lmao. Literally drafted Steph. Drafted Klay. Drafted Draymond (in the second round, no less). You saying the Warriors have blown "almost every draft pick" is hilariously stupid and actively reductive of the good draftees that they have hit on. Like saying "The Spurs have blown almost every pick!! Except for Timmy, DRob, Tony, Manu....." which sadly is an argument that I've read on here. Stupid all around.

The KD move was lucky. For sure. The Iguodala, I don't agree with, but maaaybe. You still ignore that they drafted and built the entire rest of the team, AND were already champions before KD. So a role-player like Iggy signing there, to you a lucky thing, is enough to discredit the rest of the work required to put that team together and coach them into a championship calibre team? Please.

:lmao at the last point. The Warriors are a dynasty. They just are... Not really a debate (you could try and give me your warped definition of a dynasty, but I have a feeling I won't agree with it). Their championships being "tainted" is just a perception, their titles are worth exactly as much as anyone else's, tbh, exactly one ring. And a 5 year run of excellence is dynasty-worthy... You think every team has the ability to carry their championship windows through several decades like the Spurs have?

....Wait, thinking back on our previous exchanges, you actually might think that. It really is that easy, isn't it? Lol.

Luck is the Myers regime of the Warriors and Ujiri regime of the Raptors. I gave you the backstory on both, but you didn't want to hear it because it flew in the face of your vanilla RINGZ argument.

More obtuse commentary. I obviously meant post assembling their big 3, which again were luck. Curry's representation/him bluffed and dissuaded the Timberwolves from drafting him and Green, obivously no one knew he'd become the player he did.

They didn't face a single elite team in route to their first championship and every opponent they did face had at least multiple significant injuries.

Nah, dynasties don't win contrived/tainted championships and last a mere 5 years.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/jackfrank_jjf/status/1343977606081884162?s=19

Long, in-depth read on Derrick White

[John B]

https://twitter.com/jackfrank_jjf/status/1343977606081884162?s=19

Long, in-depth read on Derrick White
Thank you for posting. Whose minutes would he be taking? I hate to say Vassell’s because I want him developing more, but between Lonnie, Mills and Vassell, I think the rookie will lose some minutes. I’m hoping it’s Mills, but he’s been playing great.

Lonnie has been great playing as a starting SG, hitting his shots, especially 3’s and being active defender, and even facilitates some. But White is the better player overall, with better overall understanding of the game. Aldridge for instance needs to get involved earlier, which Murray hasn’t done a good job. White has better tempo and dictate throughout the game. Not just the salary, and we’ve seen it with Manu. But Murray isn’t Tony, nor we have a Timmy inside to steady the game. White has that. And that’s why I think he should start.

[Sugus]

Thank you for posting. Whose minutes would he be taking? I hate to say Vassell’s because I want him developing more, but between Lonnie, Mills and Vassell, I think the rookie will lose some minutes. I’m hoping it’s Mills, but he’s been playing great.

Lonnie has been great playing as a starting SG, hitting his shots, especially 3’s and being active defender, and even facilitates some. But White is the better player overall, with better overall understanding of the game. Aldridge for instance needs to get involved earlier, which Murray hasn’t done a good job. White has better tempo and dictate throughout the game. Not just the salary, and we’ve seen it with Manu. But Murray isn’t Tony, nor we have a Timmy inside to steady the game. White has that. And that’s why I think he should start.

I think White will come off the bench at least the first 5-10 games after coming back, likely on a minutes restriction, so our guys' minutes shouldn't be too affected short-term. On the longer term; I don't want Mills' minutes to go down, and neither should the team, as he's the most likely of our 4 vets to net a positive return at the trade deadline. Lonnie has been pretty good as you say, and I fear another benching could mess with his confidence (even further), so I wouldn't want that either. Vassell... He's been playing good, though not as impactfully as in preseason, and he's also just a rookie, so he's the most likely one to be moved to the deep bench or get spot minutes when White comes back. He's got a full career ahead of him to develop, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

The real question for me regarding rotations: when are we going to see Luka? He hasn't even played garbage time, as far as I saw. Hope the Lakers' size means we see some of him tomorrow or Friday. I don't expect him to come out of the gates blazing, of course, but he needs to get real experience at some point if he's ever going to get better.

[exstatic]

I think White will come off the bench at least the first 5-10 games after coming back, likely on a minutes restriction, so our guys' minutes shouldn't be too affected short-term. On the longer term; I don't want Mills' minutes to go down, and neither should the team, as he's the most likely of our 4 vets to net a positive return at the trade deadline. Lonnie has been pretty good as you say, and I fear another benching could mess with his confidence (even further), so I wouldn't want that either. Vassell... He's been playing good, though not as impactfully as in preseason, and he's also just a rookie, so he's the most likely one to be moved to the deep bench or get spot minutes when White comes back. He's got a full career ahead of him to develop, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

The real question for me regarding rotations: when are we going to see Luka? He hasn't even played garbage time, as far as I saw. Hope the Lakers' size means we see some of him tomorrow or Friday. I don't expect him to come out of the gates blazing, of course, but he needs to get real experience at some point if he's ever going to get better.

Which game had garbage time? All three went right down to the wire.

[Sugus]

Which game had garbage time? All three went right down to the wire.

You're right, I should've said didn't play at all. I actually wasn't expecting him to even be relegated to garbage time, considering all of the youngings are being put in greater roles and even a rookie in Vassell (who furthermore plays a "stacked" position) is getting consistent rotational minutes outside of not-yet-materialized garbage time. It makes the complete absence of Luka in lineups that much more puzzling, especially since he plays our position of biggest need. Just weird.

[John B]

You're right, I should've said didn't play at all. I actually wasn't expecting him to even be relegated to garbage time, considering all of the youngings are being put in greater roles and even a rookie in Vassell (who furthermore plays a "stacked" position) is getting consistent rotational minutes outside of not-yet-materialized garbage time. It makes the complete absence of Luka in lineups that much more puzzling, especially since he plays our position of biggest need. Just weird.
I think all players, with the exception of Aldridge, are playing great defense, including Vassell even as a rookie. I wish I could say the same for Luka who's not known for his defense, otherwise we would've seen him against Zion, and maybe Keldon on Ingram to help Lonnie. I think that's the ticket to getting minutes, and I like that Pop is going back to that mind set, pulling Aldridge when he's not pulling his haul.

[Sugus]

I think all players, with the exception of Aldridge, are playing great defense, including Vassell even as a rookie. I wish I could say the same for Luka who's not known for his defense, otherwise we would've seen him against Zion, and maybe Keldon on Ingram to help Lonnie. I think that's the ticket to getting minutes, and I like that Pop is going back to that mind set, pulling Aldridge when he's not pulling his haul.

I really hope you're right, tbh - though after watching an entire season of Pop not only not punishing bad defense and effort from vets, but rewarding it with even more minutes, I'm still skeptical of Pop "turning a new page" and suddenly committing to D-first lineups/rotations. I see change now, but wonder how much of it is Pop, and how much the young players just asserting themselves and bringing defense back into the spotlight. Either way, it's clearly working, and I want more of it.

On the other hand though - I'm also of the opinion that after a certain point, watching from the bench just isn't all that useful. I'm sure Luka still sucks a fair bit on defense, and probably does so in practice, but IMO he still needs game time, reps, and getting dunked on/scored on/outmuscled and outmatched in order to really learn what it takes to be an NBA caliber defender (and player). The same way folks here were complaining about Lonnie fumbling the last play on the game against NO - how do you expect him to get better at it, without failing first? So, I'm hoping this double stint against the Lakers at least prompts some gametime for Luka (not in garbage time while we're being blown out tho... Fingers crossed).

[exstatic]

I think all players, with the exception of Aldridge, are playing great defense, including Vassell even as a rookie. I wish I could say the same for Luka who's not known for his defense, otherwise we would've seen him against Zion, and maybe Keldon on Ingram to help Lonnie. I think that's the ticket to getting minutes, and I like that Pop is going back to that mind set, pulling Aldridge when he's not pulling his haul.

:lol Zion would have pushed Luka’s shit. Luka would have fared better against Ingram, where he could use his length, and not be physically bullied.

[Spurtacular]

73/4 is a run of the mill contract for a rotation player in today's NBA.

[Dejounte]

73/4 is a run of the mill contract for a rotation player in today's NBA.

https://i.ibb.co/0cPTwm8/wow.png

[Seventyniner]

73/4 is a run of the mill contract for a rotation player in today's NBA.

And that's looking like White's floor right now.

[phxspurfan]

-_-

[tonight...you]

-_-
Lol.
Like he should step on the court and dominate in an instant.


Dude stepped up and made great plays.

[Atl Spur]

D white will be super solid!

[cd98]

He played good D on James.

[XDT76]

I felt he improved the whole team D when he first subbed in.

[TheCerebral1]

He's a good player, at 73M, I don't know that he's that valuable.

[Dejounte]

He's a good player, at 73M, I don't know that he's that valuable.

https://i.ibb.co/0cPTwm8/wow.png

Stop looking at the number and start looking at the players earning roughly the same. He's not out of place in that group.

[buttsR4rebounding]

His defensive awareness is incredible. He could easily lead the league in charges drawn. Most of which are we he helps as opposed to his own man. That and his weak-side blocks enable him to cover up teammate errors at a level that a good rim protector would.

[Mr. Body]

His defensive awareness is incredible. He could easily lead the league in charges drawn. Most of which are we he helps as opposed to his own man. That and his weak-side blocks enable him to cover up teammate errors at a level that a good rim protector would.

Agreed. He's a superb defender, even clearly rusty in other aspects last night.

[Mugen]

He's a good player, at 73M, I don't know that he's that valuable.

He'd have gotten 85+mil this summer tbh.

[absoloot66]

His defensive awareness is incredible. He could easily lead the league in charges drawn. Most of which are we he helps as opposed to his own man. That and his weak-side blocks enable him to cover up teammate errors at a level that a good rim protector would.

:hungry:Good mentor for Vassell to add more facets to his own defensive toolbox.

[PrimeMinister]

Compare contracts around the league and always use the MLE and max as your frame of reference. The cap has gone up a lot and 17 million a year aint what it used to be.

He's the best defensive guard in basketball. Marcus Smart is really good but considered untouchable by media because he plays in Boston, but Derrick White has the best hands, instincts, and positioning of any 1 or 2 in basketball.

[XDT76]

He's a good player, at 73M, I don't know that he's that valuable.

A player who leads all guards in contest and is 2nd in blocks and charges drawn last season with a per 36min of 16 5 5 is not worth 18 per year? Okay, how many guards are more effective than him on both ends and earn less than him?

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/jackfrank_jjf/status/1343977606081884162?s=20


We saw two versions of Derrick White last season. The first is a viable starter well worth the four-year, $73 million contract extension he inked last week. The second is a burgeoning star who would be massively underpaid if he’s here to stay...

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1345856882330775554?s=19

[Ice009]

Fucking great. The same freaking toe.

[siraulo23]

fuck

[spurrunner]

Fucking great. The same freaking toe.

Derrick White. AKA Mr. Glass

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fi/thumb/0/0a/Glass-movie-samuel-l-jackson.png/250px-Glass-movie-samuel-l-jackson.png

[Kurgan]

Unlike Murray(who's paid a similar salary to White), Derrick actually plays both ends of the court. Murray hasn't been a good defender ever since he came back from his injury.

[TimDunkem]

Surgery. Out indefinitely.

[Big Empty]

Cut the toe off like Ronnie Lott did his finger

[phxspurfan]

well that didnt end well :depressed

[GAustex]

Got to give him credit on getting PAID

[phxspurfan]

DWhite, congrats on being promoted to PG of the all-injured Spurs team:

PG White
SG Ginobili
SF Leonard
PF Splitter
C Robinson

bench

Derek Anderson
TJ Ford
Jackie Butler

[JeffDuncan]

The little piggy that stayed home... is staying home.

[Robz4000]

DWhite, congrats on being promoted to PG of the all-injured Spurs team:

PG White
SG Ginobili
SF Leonard
PF Splitter
C Robinson

bench

Derek Anderson
TJ Ford
Jackie Butler

Forgot James Anderson tbh.