DeStar DeRozan

[FkLA]

Not LBJ or Nephew but he's still a beast. Show him the respect he deserves.

More than good enough to be an elite offensive centerpiece and super valuable if you surround him with versatile, two-way players. He's never had a fair shot in SA given the dumb ass rotations Pop was trotting out there the past two years, tbh.

[Fusternino]

Playmaking has been incredible. Defense is still disappointing but I'm not sure it can be fixed given he'll never be playing smaller than the 3 from here on out. Too small to guard the big wings of the world.

[sananspursfan21]

Here come all the dummies who said he sucks, called him Dumbmar, and wanted him traded for peanuts, acting like they’ve been on board since day one. I’m one of the few guys on this board who’s been a major DD proponent since the trade. I’m in *flex*

[phxspurfan]

Not LBJ or Nephew but he's still a beast. Show him the respect he deserves.

More than good enough to be an elite offensive centerpiece and super valuable if you surround him with versatile, two-way players. He's never had a fair shot in SA given the dumb ass rotations Pop was trotting out there the past two years, tbh.

This. Pop has been lining him up with players like LMA, Forbes, Mills, etc. This (and the bubble) is the only time we are seeing him with athletic mofos like Keldon, Lonnie, and to a lesser extent Murray. That seems to be where he shines.

[phxspurfan]

Here come all the dummies who said he sucks, called him Dumbmar, and wanted him traded for peanuts, acting like they’ve been on board since day one. I’m one of the few guys on this board who’s been a major DD proponent since the trade. I’m in *flex*

I was never onboard with the he sucks shtick. I have his jersey, bought it when we traded for him. Sure, it was a sour, unbalanced trade, but get real. We got what we got. Now let's roll with him.

[Mr. Body]

He's playing like he took that 82nd player ranking personally.

[timtonymanu]

I mean, the OP said it best. He's being used in the right way surrounded by the right players. I definitely do not miss the days this team relied solely on Demar and treated him like he was on Autist's level. There's a reason teams don't win with him as the main star.

[SpurPadre]

I was never onboard with the he sucks shtick. I have his jersey, bought it when we traded for him. Sure, it was a sour, unbalanced trade, but get real. We got what we got. Now let's roll with him.

Not bad considering we had to get him being held at gunpoint by Load Management.

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Not LBJ or Nephew but he's still a beast. Show him the respect he deserves.

More than good enough to be an elite offensive centerpiece and super valuable if you surround him with versatile, two-way players. He's never had a fair shot in SA given the dumb ass rotations Pop was trotting out there the past two years, tbh.

Yup.

[SpurPadre]

I mean, the OP said it best. He's being used in the right way surrounded by the right players. I definitely do not miss the days this team relied solely on Demar and treated him like he was on Autist's level. There's a reason teams don't win with him as the main star.

Ultimately though, we need someone to establish themselves as the main star to go deep in the playoffs.

[phxspurfan]

Ultimately though, we need someone to establish themselves as the main star to go deep in the playoffs.

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[SpurPadre]

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Not at all. I'm just saying we have to accept he's our main guy from an offense perspective and hope this is the year he can be a consistent alpha.

[MannyIsGod]

Not LBJ or Nephew but he's still a beast. Show him the respect he deserves.

More than good enough to be an elite offensive centerpiece and super valuable if you surround him with versatile, two-way players. He's never had a fair shot in SA given the dumb ass rotations Pop was trotting out there the past two years, tbh.


Really he's no worse than Jimmy Butler. The difference is Butler has Bam.

[ulosturedge]

He has been carrying his weight out there. People act like he is a train wreck situation out there which is not the case. My only qualm is playoff Demar Derozan. If he does more or less what he is doing right now in the playoffs I will have no complaints.

[spurraider21]

derozan was an awkward fit when he didnt have a jump shot, was playing in the same lineup as dejounte whose jumper was a work in progress, and was playing alongside 2 bigs. the smaller, more spaced out lineup works wonders for him, as it only enhances his drive and kick game. plus if he actually starts taking a few threes per game and knocks them in at a decent clip, its hard to picture a much better fit on offense.

we'll see how all the pieces fit together when white is back, too

[RC_Drunkford]

System is perfectly built around him and he looks like the best version of DeMar DeRozan I've ever seen. Let's see how far he can take this team

[sananspursfan21]

I was never onboard with the he sucks shtick. I have his jersey, bought it when we traded for him. Sure, it was a sour, unbalanced trade, but get real. We got what we got. Now let's roll with him.

I’m pretty sure I remember you always being pro Derozan too. He’s never been a bad player for us, he just wasn’t of equal value in what we got with Kawhi. But if he keeps playing this extra motivated brand of basketball, the comparison becomes a little more hazy

[SpursFanInAustin]

I’m pretty sure I remember you always being pro Derozan too. He’s never been a bad player for us, he just wasn’t of equal value in what we got with Kawhi. But if he keeps playing this extra motivated brand of basketball, the comparison becomes a little more hazy

DeRozan alone isn't equal value. Now if Poeltl becomes a key rotation player, starting center in the future after LMA leaves and Keldon Johnson breaks out, then the trade looks like SA made out well, in fact I'd say long term SA got the better end. Keldon Johnson draft pick was the key.

[cjw]

Really he's no worse than Jimmy Butler. The difference is Butler has Bam and plays in the east.

Fixed it for you

Demar has been super efficient and is making those around him better. Even if he were to walk next summer, the young guys stand to learn a lot from him. And the way he’s playing, he may be having a lot of fun proving haters wrong. He’s a winning piece if the right supporting cast is around him.



DeRozan alone isn't equal value. Now if Poeltl becomes a key rotation player, starting center in the future after LMA leaves and Keldon Johnson breaks out, then the trade looks like SA made out well, in fact I'd say long term SA got the better end. Keldon Johnson draft pick was the key.

I don’t think you can say the trade was for Keldon. It was for a likely late first rounder in the upcoming draft that became 29. Have to look at the average value taken late in the first round. The Spurs were lucky KJ was there, but didn’t have him as high as even Luka on their draft board.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Admittedly an incredibly small sample size, but continued play at this level will put the Spurs in the PO and DDR in the MVP conversation a la Chris Paul last year.

[Dverde]

He's playing like he took that 82nd player ranking personally.

Players do take them very personally. He probably stared at it in the Jack in Box parking lot for hours.

[JADG79]

My concern is LMA defense. Team is playing a lot better with Poeltl on the court.

[TimDunkem]

He hit some threes early on last year too.

[John B]

My concern is LMA defense. Team is playing a lot better with Poeltl on the court.
Agreed. Aldridge’s game regressed particularly his defense. He’s been outplayed by the opposing bigs, and last night by Bayne??

[John B]

He hit some threes early on last year too.
But last night was without hesitation and very much in the flow. I’m hoping he finally got it. Because the last couple of games version of Demar would easily be All NBA with 28 pts and nearly triple double.

[TimDunkem]

But last night was without hesitation and very much in the flow. I’m hoping he finally got it. Because the last couple of games version of Demar would easily be All NBA with 28 pts and nearly triple double.
I'm really not trying to hate, or be pessimistic, but it's been 11 years that DDR has been in the league. There are many that have said that same thing since and he still hasn't done it.

As I've said before, I hope I'm wrong. He NEEDS to hit those more often if only to keep the defense honest. Fingers crossed.

[Dex]

Really he's no worse than Jimmy Butler. The difference is Butler has Bam.

Butler is by far the better defender, but I'd say DeMar is the more well-rounded offensive player so maybe it's a wash.

[duncan2150]

i always feel this guy is direspected , not only here but in the nba. He's not a franchise player for sure but he is a very good player.

[John B]

If Demar could play like he did the last couple of games with 28 points and nearly triple double, and hitting the 3’s? Spurs would easily be in deep in the playoffs. Demar needs this to get his last big paycheck. I would give him the max.

[John B]

i always feel this guy is direspected , not only here but in the nba. He's not a franchise player for sure but he is a very good player.
The last couple of games were nearly triple double. That’s not just franchise, that’s All NBA :lol

[FkLA]

It's not even that he hit threes, imo. I mean, it's nice and it would make him an even deadlier offensive player but his primary role in this offense is to get buckets and facilitate. He's pretty damn elite at both those things. He's turned himself into both an efficient scorer and a point forward.

Also, this isn't just a small sample size. He did a lot of this last season too. 22-5-5 on 50%+ shooting is no joke. Only difference is he had one-dimensional pieces of shit out on the perimeter with him offsetting his great play. I'm pumped to see what he can do with a bunch of versatile, two-way perimeter guys by his side. His Robin ain't even back yet. :wow

[DC23]

If DeRozan becomes a 3 point thread then he's a top 15 player.

[Dejounte]

It's not even that he hit threes, imo. I mean, it's nice and it would make him an even deadlier offensive player but his primary role in this offense is to get buckets and facilitate. He's pretty damn elite at both those things. He's turned himself into both an efficient scorer and a point forward.

Also, this isn't just a small sample size. He did a lot of this last season too. 22-5-5 on 50%+ shooting is no joke. Only difference is he had one-dimensional pieces of shit out on the perimeter with him offsetting his great play. I'm pumped to see what he can do with a bunch of versatile, two-way perimeter guys by his side. His Robin ain't even back yet. :wow

He's picking his spots way better and is handling the ball way less than last season. He's like an assassin this year.

[Joseph Kony]

Contract year DeRozan tbh

[Atl Spur]

Contract year DeRozan tbh

I usually rock with you but he was doing this last year sort of:)

[R. DeMurre]

Geez, I like the way DeMar is playing too but it's two games, people. And if you look at the stats, both games were won because our 4 principle bench guys-- Gay, Poeltl, Mills, & Vassell-- had great +/- numbers. So far, in this tiny sample size, the starting five are playing their opponents about even.

[Dejounte]

Geez, I like the way DeMar is playing too but it's two games, people. And if you look at the stats, both games were won because our 4 principle bench guys-- Gay, Poeltl, Mills, & Vassell-- had great +/- numbers. So far, in this tiny sample size, the starting five are playing their opponents about even.

Oh no, not you... Don't fall into the +/- trap. I don't see a single good thing Gay and Poetl did last night to warrant a "+".

I'm not jumping in the pool all the way with DeMar. And the answer about DeMar is probably right in the middle. He's bound to have bad games soon and when it's that time again, the pendulum will swing way hard and you'll see the opposite versions of these knee jerk threads...

Like I said, it's somewhere in the middle. The sum of all parts.

[R. DeMurre]

Oh no, not you... Don't fall into the +/- trap. I don't see a single good thing Gay and Poetl did last night to warrant a "+".

I'm not jumping in the pool all the way with DeMar. And the answer about DeMar is probably right in the middle. He's bound to have bad games soon and when it's that time again, the pendulum will swing way hard and you'll see the opposite versions of these knee jerk threads...

Like I said, it's somewhere in the middle. The sum of all parts.

Spurs play the Lakers three times in the next 2 weeks-- that'll be a good test. I don't know if a PF/SF match up of KJ/DDR vs AD/LBJ works, but if they can hold their own, it'll be a great sign.

[The Truth #6]

Oh no, not you... Don't fall into the +/- trap. I don't see a single good thing Gay and Poetl did last night to warrant a "+".

I'm not jumping in the pool all the way with DeMar. And the answer about DeMar is probably right in the middle. He's bound to have bad games soon and when it's that time again, the pendulum will swing way hard and you'll see the opposite versions of these knee jerk threads...

Like I said, it's somewhere in the middle. The sum of all parts.

Exactly. He’s extremely skilled in some aspects of the game, and that’s very useful. But yeah, he has to be surrounded by quality defenders. And ideally some of them will start making open jump shots as well. Ultimately, I don’t see us going super far in the playoffs with him as a centerpiece, but so far with the bubble and the last few games it’s been extremely fun to watch, and that’s about all I can ask for.

[R. DeMurre]

Looking at +/- as a stat is like looking at a stock graph. One day doesn't prove anything about the overall quality of a stock or a player, but a year's worth gives a better picture of it. But saying the +/- stat has no value is more of an over-reaction than saying it means everything and is foolproof.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Since being in San Antonio he’s had some of his most efficient seasons. The guy is a good player but not a great one. But looking at some of the reactions on this site you would think that he is Bryn Forbes level. Lol.

his I’m surprised he took and made those 3 pointers last night but not surprised at his all around offensive numbers or efficiency because he has been doing that since being with our team.

[phxspurfan]

Looking at +/- as a stat is like looking at a stock graph. One day doesn't prove anything about the overall quality of a stock or a player, but a year's worth gives a better picture of it. But saying the +/- stat has no value is more of an over-reaction than saying it means everything and is foolproof.

Everyone -- LeBron, KD, etc -- would have a negative plus-minus for the season when added to Pop's lineups of Lyles, Murray, Mills and Forbes.

[lefty20]

I'll admit it, I did not think he had this in him. Hope he keeps proving me wrong, nothing would make me happier.

[couchman]

This game rn is what I meant when I said DDR would decide how good this team is. So far he is not being aggressive and the whole offense has bogged down. If he gets aggressive we can make a comeback.

[phxspurfan]

This game rn is what I meant when I said DDR would decide how good this team is. So far he is not being aggressive and the whole offense has bogged down. If he gets aggressive we can make a comeback.

when White comes back we will have a decent enough PG so his role will shrink / focus and he can maybe not be tired etc on the 2nd of a back to back, and hit some shots with fresh legs.

[siraulo23]

if derozan becomes a three point shooter :lol

cmon now :lmao

[FkLA]

Bad game. Looked like Hart gave him problems defensively and like SVG made him a priority in their gameplan.

Still needs to work on his mindset though. He cant get that emotional when he's having a rough game. Most of the time it just makes him play worse.

[spurraider21]

He's never had a fair shot in SA
:lol

[itzsoweezee]

This is comedy

[DMC]

Let's look at the anthology of DeMar DeRozan. He was DeTactched from the DeRaptors in favor of DeNephew and they win DeChampionship for another COUNTRY, DeFirst ever, while DeRozan led DeSpurs to missed Playoffs for DeFirst time in De past 20 years. Yeah De truth hurts.

DeMC

[timtonymanu]

The data was there before he even got here and it never changed.

[FkLA]

:lol

Its ova. :cry

Tbf though this is just a poorly built team overall.

[baseline bum]

Its ova. :cry

Tbf though this is just a poorly built team overall.

Starting with the no 3 and no D swing the team is built around.

[slick'81]

Defraud