Game Thread: Spurs vs. Jazz — Jan. 3, 2021 - 6:00pm/C

[timtonymanu]

And yet, how did Samanic get taken at 17?

2 year project, he’s not ready etc. yet guys like Cory Joseph at least looked like nba players in their 2nd year. Tired of that excuse honestly.

[SPURt]

And yet, how did Samanic get taken at 17?
I don’t really know how good or bad he is yet, but it’s crazy Keldon wasn’t even the Spurs first pick that draft.

[Bojo]

Terrible effort. At least Johnson looks like he's pissed with what's happening here. Rest is just going through the motions. Zero fire.

And just as I've read it here, yes, the chuckfest NBA is hard to watch from time to time. Would be better to watch though if we'd be able to chuck at least on a decent level...

[Dejounte]

Our C team out there now

[RC_Drunkford]

I mean it is what it is at this point. But it's pretty clear that he's held the organization hostage for a few years now tbh.

It's sad but he's got nothing else to do and him sticking around has done irreparable damage to the franchise and has set them back several years. Just really sad how much the game has passed him by, I hope to god he retires every single second I see him coaching :lol

worst coach of the league by far since beginning of last season

[TimDunkem]

The vets on this team are all selfish assholes - Dumbar/Rudy/Patty. All three of them are looking for their own shot, obviously because it's a contract year for each of them.

Patty is the worst for being designated team leader because Pop had no one left after Kawhi bailed and everyone retired...Oh wow he waves towels, flops, buys the crew coffee, and donates 500 bucks to charity. Sign that man for life!!!

[John B]

Big effort Patty, but no dice. Story of the night

[Robz4000]

Didn't they have CP3 in '17-18? He used to live in that midrange area. Still, disgusting the way the league is trending.

Now, how much time until a team does nothing but 3's? The way the game is played now, why shoot anything else? It's just ridiculous.

It was the season before they got Chris Paul.

[YoungbuckMurray]

This team misses so many easy layups

[Kurgan]

Keldon and Lonnie only guys doing anything tonight. The vets have been absolutely atrocious

Lonnie's defense has been horrific. Only Keldon has played well tonight.

[paperboy77]

Can't believe how unwatchable this game is. Ultra glad i don't have cable anymore. Really thought of signing up again.

[timtonymanu]

I mean it is what it is at this point. But it's pretty clear that he's held the organization hostage for a few years now tbh.

It's sad but he's got nothing else to do and him sticking around has done irreparable damage to the franchise and has set them back several years. Just really sad how much the game has passed him by, I hope to god he retires every single second I see him coaching :lol

People on here got so excited after that Toronto win, a team we were suppose to beat easily. Once I saw the result of that game, I was thinking it’s a matter of time before these guys fall back down to earth and here they are on a 4 game losing streak now.

[Uriel]

Pretty wild how our former G-League coach is now outcoaching the coach of the Big Club.

[TimDunkem]

2 year project, he’s not ready etc. yet guys like Cory Joseph at least looked like nba players in their 2nd year. Tired of that excuse honestly.

Dat White/Keldon/Samanic big 3 is a dynasty in the making I tells yaaaa

[NASpurs]

2 year project, he’s not ready etc. yet guys like Cory Joseph at least looked like nba players in their 2nd year. Tired of that excuse honestly.

It's amazing how KJ and Puka were both taken in the same draft and we're waiting for the high pick to "fill his body" in. Too slow to guard the 3, too weak to guard the 4. Can't rebound for shit but I guess he can shoot. Sounds like we should've just kept Bertans and drafted someone else.

[John B]

People on here got so excited after that Toronto win, a team we were suppose to beat easily. Once I saw the result of that game, I was thinking it’s a matter of time before these guys fall back down to earth and here they are on a 4 game losing streak now.
Well we don't have 2 of the starters, and played the defending Champs two of those loses

[Sugus]

You're kidding yourself if you think Becky doesn't contribute any defensive game plans. This is more personnel than gameplan, IMO.

I'm probably kidding myself to a degree in hoping Becky won't have learned the same bad habits/gameplans that Pop has been using these last few years, but you're kidding yourself to think it's more personnel than gameplan. We literally cannot defend any team on the perimeter, and it's not that we lack the bodies. We overhelp unnecessarily when teams are hardly going for the midrange anymore, consistently leaving a shooter wide open. After a few hundred times of the same "mistake" happening, you gotta see it's by design, tbh.

[Mugen]

Even when by some miracle the other team misses their wide open 3, they'll give up the offensive rebound.

Just depressing watching a team that clearly has zero trust in their coach and gameplan. These young guys should get a lot of blame as well but it can't be easy having to listen to hours of somebody telling you how Bruce and Avery used to do so-so 15 years ago :lol

[John B]

Too cute Dejounte

[Arcadian]

Well at least Johnson is having a good game

(That will be the theme of 2021)

[poopbox]

Dejounte so bad tonight he got his shot blocked twice in one possession

[SpursStar]

Cade Cunningham, here we come lol.

[EasyMoney]

Dejounte clearly doesn't have his legs underneath him.

[Sugus]

Did Sean just say DJ is 0-for-8? :lol

[SPURt]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen any NBA player be this cold shooting. Damn Murray

[timtonymanu]

Well we don't have 2 of the starters, and played the defending Champs two of those loses

Lamarcus and Derrick being back still doesn’t solve the issues of Rudy and Patty’s nonstop chucking, Pops antiquated and horrible coaching, etc

[NASpurs]

Dejounte, 10 shots, 4 points. What efficiency for those 4 points.

[John B]

Good defense Devin

[Sugus]

Terrible effort. At least Johnson looks like he's pissed with what's happening here. Rest is just going through the motions. Zero fire.

And just as I've read it here, yes, the chuckfest NBA is hard to watch from time to time. Would be better to watch though if we'd be able to chuck at least on a decent level...

I don't know about that, tbh. I actually really like(d) that the Spurs still tried to play differently from the homogenous style the league has turned into. It's clear that it doesn't work, but I don't know if my enjoyment of games would go up if we started jacking 3's. Keldon's game is really fun to watch, and he doesn't do that.

[TimDunkem]

Lamarcus and Derrick being back still doesn’t solve the issues of Rudy and Patty’s nonstop chucking, Pops antiquated and horrible coaching, etc
Terrible defenders, no knock down shooters, Murray terrible, Poeltl a pussy, etc..

[SpursDynasty85]

Utah, especially Mitchell, looking legit this year. Glad young players are playing. Kinda glad we’re losing. One top 10 pick should be all we need to start contending in a couple years.

[GB20]

Mill is horrible on defense.

[timtonymanu]

DD and Gay didn't work 5 years ago. What on Earth made this dumbass front office think that it would work in '18-'21?

Then again these are the guys who thought Demarre Carroll was Jae Crowder.

Speaking of Demarre Carroll, aren’t they still paying him to basically stay retired? Lol gotdamn PATFO

[John B]

That's not so smart Dejounte.

[J_Paco]

People on here got so excited after that Toronto win, a team we were suppose to beat easily. Once I saw the result of that game, I was thinking it’s a matter of time before these guys fall back down to earth and here they are on a 4 game losing streak now.

They are missing their 2nd and 3rd best player while also playing small. Plus, they are playing a tough stretch against playoff - caliber opposition.

Context is needed, but it is easier to claim that you've "told us so" for that ST pat on the back.

DeJounte is totally out of whack and needs to come out. Complete disaster on both ends.

[YoungbuckMurray]

Please pull Murray. Give Jones some run

[poopbox]

Dejounte :lmao

Never seen a dude get his layup AND 3 pointer blocked like that back to back :blah

[NASpurs]

Well nothing humbling like getting blown out and adding to the losing streak. A young team on the road and racking more losses should help the tank. Nothing seems winnable for the foreseeable future.

[SpursStar]

Lamarcus and Derrick being back still doesn’t solve the issues of Rudy and Patty’s nonstop chucking, Pops antiquated and horrible coaching, etc

At some point, it’s gotta quit being just coaching as the issue. The personnel just isn’t good either. Lonnie and Jakob’s inability to finish isn’t just coaching. Same with DJ’s inconsistency.

[EasyMoney]

Dejounte doesn't have it tonight. Shame. Spurstalk going to rip him to shreds over the next 48 hours.

[Sugus]

Utah, especially Mitchell, looking legit this year. Glad young players are playing. Kinda glad we’re losing. One top 10 pick should be all we need to start contending in a couple years.

This, tbh. Keldon emerging as a young star is enough to make this season worthwhile. A top lottery pick would be icing on the cake - and the realization that the team needs a big overhaul, a byproduct of big losses, would also be great. People aren't looking at the bigger picture here.

[Leetonidas]

What an ass kicking. Game has basically been over since the 2nd quarter

[John B]

Lamarcus and Derrick being back still doesn’t solve the issues of Rudy and Patty’s nonstop chucking, Pops antiquated and horrible coaching, etc
to be fair, tonight is the only game I think they are playing bad. The other one's they competed well

[TimDunkem]

Speaking of Demarre Carroll, aren’t they still paying him to basically stay retired? Lol gotdamn PATFO

Yep. After they just finished paying Gasol to retire somewhere else because he got a loyalty deal for playing like 60 games his first year and waited like a week a new deal. :lmao PATFO

[timtonymanu]

They are missing their 2nd and 3rd best player while also playing small. Plus, they are playing a tough stretch against playoff - caliber opposition.

Context is needed, but it is easier to claim that you've "told us so" for that ST pat on the back.

DeJounte is totally out of whack and needs to come out. Complete disaster on both ends.

I mean we saw and heard the same shit last year. But I know you’re a proud sniffer and all you need to hear is “In pop we trust,” so you can like the post and slurp the team all you want.

[sananspursfan21]

I feel for Murray. I’ve had these types of pick up games and you just keep thinking you just need that one shot :lol

[John B]

Put Luka in and get some court experience

[Sugus]

They are missing their 2nd and 3rd best player while also playing small. Plus, they are playing a tough stretch against playoff - caliber opposition.

Context is needed, but it is easier to claim that you've "told us so" for that ST pat on the back.

DeJounte is totally out of whack and needs to come out. Complete disaster on both ends.

Posters on ST have "told us" about every single possible outcome to games, and they've never made a wrong prediction, tbh :lmao

[FkLA]

Demar would get crucified if he hero balled the way Murray just did these past couple of possessions.

[Darius Bieber]

They are missing their 2nd and 3rd best player while also playing small. Plus, they are playing a tough stretch against playoff - caliber opposition.

Context is needed, but it is easier to claim that you've "told us so" for that ST pat on the back.

DeJounte is totally out of whack and needs to come out. Complete disaster on both ends.

Tough schedule? The fucking Timberwolves beat these Jazz.

[John B]

Tre and Mills are not exactly the combo guard I want to see out there

[Mugen]

At some point, it’s gotta quit being just coaching as the issue. The personnel just isn’t good either. Lonnie and Jakob’s inability to finish isn’t just coaching. Same with DJ’s inconsistency.

Sure, but you realize that the coach is also picking the personnel right :lol

[Kurgan]

Murray is playing hideous basketball. It's been years since he's been a good defender and his offense is embarrassing for someone who's supposed to be a point guard

[Prime BEEF]

Terrible defenders, no knock down shooters, Murray terrible, Poeltl a pussy, etc..
Yup

[Dejounte]

I'm probably kidding myself to a degree in hoping Becky won't have learned the same bad habits/gameplans that Pop has been using these last few years, but you're kidding yourself to think it's more personnel than gameplan. We literally cannot defend any team on the perimeter, and it's not that we lack the bodies. We overhelp unnecessarily when teams are hardly going for the midrange anymore, consistently leaving a shooter wide open. After a few hundred times of the same "mistake" happening, you gotta see it's by design, tbh.

Assistant coaches collaborate with the head coach on game plans. If that's not what they do, what do they do? Becky's fingerprints are on that game plan too. I don't understand ever when people think that things will change drastically when people beg for an assistant coach to take over, especially when that assistant coach has been under the head coach's wing for many years.

It's consistently the same players overhelping. It's what's between the ears. Rudy has always been undisciplined on defense, no game plan is changing that. Patty's probably the only one where it's not a problem with IQ, but that he's too slow to catch up to guys with no length to compensate that. DeMar overhelps. Lonnie overhelps (could still develop discipline). It's the same guys.

[Sugus]

Jakob getting to double figures is a season high :lmao

[John B]

Poeltl you grab that guy!!!

[Texas_Ranger]

Murray is not that good of a player. No one should be surprised when he sucks. Just like every other Spurs player. There is no one on this team that will be consistent.

[timtonymanu]

This, tbh. Keldon emerging as a young star is enough to make this season worthwhile. A top lottery pick would be icing on the cake - and the realization that the team needs a big overhaul, a byproduct of big losses, would also be great. People aren't looking at the bigger picture here.

That’s exactly what I want.

[John B]

Luka getting in

[NASpurs]

21-39 from 3 :lmao

[John B]

Nice pg set up by Tre

[paperboy77]

What good is it to have Patty in there? Get Luka and Diop int there. Absolutely nothing to lose. Can't wait till Pop goes adios!

[Darius Bieber]

At this point, you HAVE to commit to the tank. There’s no point in trying to get to the playoffs.

[Bojo]

I don't know about that, tbh. I actually really like(d) that the Spurs still tried to play differently from the homogenous style the league has turned into. It's clear that it doesn't work, but I don't know if my enjoyment of games would go up if we started jacking 3's. Keldon's game is really fun to watch, and he doesn't do that.

Bro I live in Europe, I'd at least feel better about fucking up my sleep cycle if this team was able to win some games lol

On a serious note, I enjoy the approach of trying to find a unique way to play winning ball (in any sport) a lot, too. This team can be fun though when they shoot the ball a lot. The season opener in Memphis was refreshing, and they barely hesitated on firing threes with confidence there. Makes it easier for Demar and LA to operate in the midrange, too.
Tonight, our young guns except KJ (as usual) seemed like they doubted every one of their actions, especially visible with Walker. Attack the basket, use the midrange, but we simply need to shoot at least some long balls.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

Sammich in...

[Mugen]

At least we get to see trash ass Luka get closer to being cut :lol

[paperboy77]

What good is it to have Patty in there? Get Luka and Diop int there. Absolutely nothing to lose. Can't wait till Pop goes adios!

Then again if i were those two I'd be in the assistant coaches ear.

[FkLA]

Tough schedule? The fucking Timberwolves beat these Jazz.

This is the first bad loss, tbf. Every other game they were competitive.

[TimDunkem]

At this point, you HAVE to commit to the tank. There’s no point in trying to get to the playoffs.

:pop:: no

[spurraider21]

why even pull vassell here? let him get run

[mystargtr34]

That block ‘attempt’ by Luka 😂

[RD2191]

same ol DJ, still not consistent enough to be considered a true star player.

[Dejounte]

Lyles doing his best to showcase himself during garbage time to get another NBA contract. Dude always plays selfish as hell in garbage time.

[Dejounte]

That block ‘attempt’ by Luka 😂

Very low effort

[John B]

Well I hope they take this as a learning experience that just because they hung with the Lakers, they're that good. They played terrible tonight. They need to play aggressive from the get go

[SpursGuy91]

Eubanks was trying to speak with Samanic about a defensive rotation and he couldn't be bothered with paying attention

[8sy21vd]

lol at lyles....dude shouldn't be on a NBA roster...what a clown show

[SpursStar]

Sure, but you realize that the coach is also picking the personnel right :lol

Sure, but you realize a coach can’t go out there and make up for all the point black misses these guys have right :rolleyes Like someone said before, the team needs a massive overhaul. The “vets” aren’t the only issues here lol. The youth, with the exception of Keldon, haven’t been all that either.

[Sugus]

Assistant coaches collaborate with the head coach on game plans. If that's not what they do, what do they do? Becky's fingerprints are on that game plan too. I don't understand ever when people think that things will change drastically when people beg for an assistant coach to take over, especially when that assistant coach has been under the head coach's wing for many years.

It's consistently the same players overhelping. It's what's between the ears. Rudy has always been undisciplined on defense, no game plan is changing that. Patty's probably the only one where it's not a problem with IQ, but that he's too slow to catch up to guys with no length to compensate that. DeMar overhelps. Lonnie overhelps (could still develop discipline). It's the same guys.

The only hope I have of Becky being better than Pop in that regard, is that she's younger and might not be so "set on her ways", and be more open to the new and changing NBA. It's been clear for some years now that Pop doesn't like the way the league is trending, and has actively tried to "zag", to lousy results. How could we know how much of the Spurs' outdated plan is on Becky and how much on Pop? I tend to think that Pop does whatever he wants, and Becky won't confront him on it, even if she's clearly seeing that it's not working. That's why I hope things change once she's inevitably made HC. Seeing those losses first-hand has got to amount to something, right?

On the personnel.... I agree to an extent. But it goes both ways: if you have personnel overhelping, you sit them down on film, and drill it through their heads that they don't. Have. To. Overhelp. On. Drives. Like, this isn't some complicated play that they're failing to run due to IQ or whatever. It's literally to not follow the helping instinct on a drive by an opponent, since you're leaving your man wide open for a 3 on the drive-and-dish by the ballhandler. Do you really think Rudy's IQ is so, so low that he cannot comprehend this concept? If you do, we can agree to disagree. There's just no way. Lonnie can be coached to not do it.... But he isn't. Many of our players could be coached into (...), but aren't. Is the personnel not up to par? For sure. But the coaching and gameplan are inequivocally outdated for the modern game, tbh.

[NASpurs]

Now I don’t feel bad anymore about living in SA and having to pirate games because I’m a cord cutter. Seems like I was done a favor.

[John B]

Need to finish those Luka

[Darius Bieber]

Now I don’t feel bad anymore about living in SA and having to pirate games because I’m a cord cutter. Seems like I was done a favor.

Same. I’m kinda glad I’m not supporting this joke of a franchise financially.

[John B]

Luka has the moves, just need to finish strong

[NASpurs]

:lmao Puka always getting blocked by the opponent or the rim

[spurraider21]

Luka cant get a shot off :lmao

[TimDunkem]

Luka just showing off to get blocked...twice. yawn

[John B]

Tre cannot shoot jumpers

[EasyMoney]

The way luka moved there. Very quick. But at 6'10 he gotta shoot that

[timtonymanu]

Luka just showing off to get blocked...twice. yawn

In 2 years, he might be able to miss the shot vs getting blocked. Baby steps.

[TimDunkem]

Ewwbanks rewarded for a trash attempt. Man is only in the NBA because he's big. :lol

[FkLA]

Luka has beta demeanor and body language, tbh.

[paperboy77]

I might even say to cut Lakas ass. Jazz up by 30 and their bench is still hustling. Lukas body language looks like a defeatist.

[Dejounte]

Trey Lyles reminding me of Kyle Anderson so much out there. He's so slow

[spurraider21]

Luka is a disaster

[TimDunkem]

PUKA SAMMICH BRICK ALMOST KILLED EWWBANKS

:lmao Cut this man.

[John B]

That's a weak move Luka!

[RC_Drunkford]

Tre Jones looking good out there

[Kurgan]

At this point, you HAVE to commit to the tank. There’s no point in trying to get to the playoffs.

This is a treadmill team. Nowhere near good enough for playoffs but not bad enough for an impactful pick because Pop wont commit to any tanking

[timtonymanu]

Ewwbanks rewarded for a trash attempt. Man is only in the NBA because he's big. :lol

Don’t even know why Ewwbanks is still here too. I guess getting paid to cheer on the bench really is a Spurs move.

[John B]

See??? that's weak Luka!!

[J_Paco]

I mean we saw and heard the same shit last year. But I know you’re a proud sniffer and all you need to hear is “In pop we trust,” so you can like the post and slurp the team all you want.

Nah, I just neutral and realize we are missing our engine in Derrick and a (usually) quality big man in LaMarcus.

The team is a lottery team still holding on to too many veterans, but I'm not going to piss and moan like it is the end of the world.


Anyway, I let you continue to bitch, moan and cry into the void of ST, while the HOF coach makes millions to "ruin" your team.

:blah:blah:blah:blah:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

[cd98]

This is a good year to suck.

[TimDunkem]

Luka blocked for a third time but the ref gifts him a pity ft call.

AND PUKA MISSES

:lmao

[NASpurs]

PUKA SAMMICH BRICK ALMOST KILLED EWWBANKS

:lmao Cut this man.

At least it hit rim, baby steps

[Rito3d30]

Luka is not ready in like..........forever?

[TimDunkem]

LUKA BLOCKED A 4TH TIME.

Selfish

And trash.

[NASpurs]

Peeewka:lol

[Kurgan]

I might even say to cut Lakas ass. Jazz up by 30 and their bench is still hustling. Lukas body language looks like a defeatist.

Really, really bad motor. What was Buford thinking? He was scouting him for years.

[FkLA]

Luka misses a three - hangs his head.
Fails to get offensive rebound - hangs his head

[td4mvp2k]

spurs need to get rid of some trash at end of bench

[poopbox]

Luka made a 3 :cry

Our little boy turning into a man before our eyes :cry

[cd98]

What’s the record for getting your shot blocked in a game?

[TimDunkem]

And he hits a 3.

But not before the worst 5 minute stretch of basketball that I've ever seen. :lmao

[tmtcsc]

Luka Samanich may be the worst young player we’ve had in a long time. How the hell was he not thrown out with Metu? He has NO business being on an NBA team.

[paperboy77]

In 2 years, he might be able to miss the shot vs getting blocked. Baby steps.

At that pace? Must have been a preemie.

[timtonymanu]

Nah, I just neutral and realize we are missing our engine in Derrick and a (usually) quality big man in LaMarcus.

The team is a lottery team still holding on to too many veterans, but I'm not going to piss and moan like it is the end of the world.


Anyway, I let you continue to bitch, moan and cry into the void of ST, while the HOF coach makes millions to "ruin" your team.

:blah:blah:blah:blah:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

At least you acknowledged they’re a lottery team, we agree on something. And Pop has already ruined the team long enough, I’m just seeing it play out as he falls on his face yet again for another season. I’ve already accepted this teams fate.

[phxspurfan]

completely forgot this game was being played, given the slate of foosball today. But just checking in to :rollin @ Murray's 1-13 shooting

[Sugus]

But I thought Luka wasn't playing because the Spurs had given up on him? :cry

[FkLA]

Luka shitting on ST :wow:

[TimDunkem]

Luka misses a three - hangs his head.
Fails to get offensive rebound - hangs his head
* gets blocked four times, gifted a ft but misses, falls over, plays bad d

[John B]

Keldon corralling the returning players.. He is showing leadership

[Degoat]

Luka doesn’t belong in the league lmao idk how anybody supported the spurs picking him

[tim_duncan_fan]

Lonnie, Rudy, and Derozen couldn't stop a James Naismith statue.

Luka looks like a 3rd round pick.

Dejounte is what he is.

Devin needs to play more.

Derrick White may be too fragile.

We don't have any solid player above 6'8. No respectable big.

I am officially NOT ok with making the playoffs.

We better fucking not.

[Mugen]

When RC was following Luka around all over Europe, did he ever watch one of his games to see if the kid gave a fuck about playing basketball? :lol

[Sugus]

Keldon corralling the returning players.. He is showing leadership

This season's all about Keldon, tbh.

[John B]

Luka doesn’t belong in the league lmao idk how anybody supported the spurs picking him
he has all the moves.. he just needs to be strong and not be scared of contact.

[Prime BEEF]

In 2 years, he might be able to miss the shot vs getting blocked. Baby steps.
haha

[Sugus]

On a separate note, are gamethreads gonna be this whiny all season long? Hadn't the ST experts consensually agreed we were a lottery team before the season started? This is what lottery teams do.... Lose. A lot. I don't know if some of y'all are prepared for the tanking experience yet, tbh :lol

[paperboy77]

Y'all gonna hate this but this is where a Captain Jack gives an earful to Puka. There's no real leadership on this team. There's no pulse on this team. It's like an equivalent of group think.

[John B]

This season's all about Keldon, tbh.
That's the silver lining. I think we just played flat tonight, and missing 2 starters..

[NASpurs]

And RC scouted this guy for years :lol

[TimDunkem]

Sugus is breathing nothing but farts at this point.

[poopbox]

From Tim Duncan...to LMA...to Poeltl...to Ewwbanks

Shit's depressing fam :depressed

[Mugen]

Keldon and Derrick. Maybe Devin.

The rest of the organization from the tip top to whatever garbage mariachi singer they trot out there for the anthem can fucking go. :lol

[NASpurs]

“He has the same name as the other Luka? Draft him”

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1345916684318744577?s=19

[Mugen]

And RC scouted this guy for years :lol

:lol "Can't believe this Doncic guy fell to 19th," slurred the Spurs GM

[J_Paco]

Luka shitting on ST :wow:

They'll still complain and call him "shit" with his 49 minutes of NBA action to reference.

[TimDunkem]

And RC scouted this guy for years :lol

I was actually hoping Puka would show out a bit. Instead he somehow managed to play some of the worst ball I've ever seen. It was like watching an accident. Horrifying but I couldn't look away.

He hit a 3 tho!

[timtonymanu]

And RC scouted this guy for years :lol

Knowing Drunkford, he thought the mavs picked up luka Samanic and we drafted Luka Doncic instead.

[paperboy77]

Anybody rooting for the skins? Fuck the cowgirs!

[Mugen]

They'll still complain and call him "shit" with his 49 minutes of NBA action to reference.

:lol Dude have you watched a minute of those 49? The kid would rather be anywhere in the world than on an NBA basketball court.

[Sugus]

Sugus is breathing nothing but farts at this point.

Why so, though? ST experts said Luka wasn't playing because the Spurs had given up on him - proceeds to play the very next game. Does badly, as expected of a project pick. ST experts shit on him again... Rinse and repeat for the rest of the season :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

On a separate note, are gamethreads gonna be this whiny all season long? Hadn't the ST experts consensually agreed we were a lottery team before the season started? This is what lottery teams do.... Lose. A lot. I don't know if some of y'all are prepared for the tanking experience yet, tbh :lol

says the guy who was in another thread 3 hours ago saying "We are playing winning basketball right now" :lmao :lmao

[poopbox]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1345916684318744577?s=19


This might be earliest Pop has ever pulled out the "soft" card...

Usually after he does we go on like a 6 game losing streak to :spin

[TimDunkem]

They'll still complain and call him "shit" with his 49 minutes of NBA action to reference.

You didn't watch did you? He was absolutely fucking terrible.

[John B]

I think the players took the Jazz for granted, after playing very good basketball against the depending champs. I can only see this as a learning experience.

[timtonymanu]

Pop pulling the soft card in 2021. Has he looked at the roster he assembled?

[timtonymanu]

You didn't watch did you? He was absolutely fucking terrible.

If you aren’t slurping, you aren’t right to the guy.

[TimDunkem]

Why so, though? ST experts said Luka wasn't playing because the Spurs had given up on him - proceeds to play the very next game. Does badly, as expected of a project pick. ST experts shit on him again... Rinse and repeat for the rest of the season :lol

I don't know who those experts are but he didn't just play badly, he played like he's just picked up a basketball. Keep sniffing, friend.

[Sugus]

says the guy who was in another thread 3 hours ago saying "We are playing winning basketball right now" :lmao :lmao

Hey, we were playing winning basketball before. I'm not entirely sure we just watched the same Spurs team as the one against the Lakers, tbh :lol

[Sugus]

I don't know who those experts are but he didn't just play badly, he played like he's just picked up a basketball. Keep sniffing, friend.

:bobo

[TimDunkem]

says the guy who was in another thread 3 hours ago saying "We are playing winning basketball right now" :lmao :lmao

:lol because we gave a bored Lakers team a fight for a few quarters.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1345916684318744577?s=19

fans say Flopovich is senile and overrated. Call him delusional

[NASpurs]

This might be earliest Pop has ever pulled out the "soft" card...

Usually after he does we go on like a 6 game losing streak to :spin

Has calling the team soft worked in the past five years? In one ear and out the other.

[Kurgan]

Keldon and Derrick. Maybe Devin.

The rest of the organization from the tip top to whatever garbage mariachi singer they trot out there for the anthem can fucking go. :lol

Yup, even our coaches are trash. We lost all our talented assistants to other teams. Brain drain.

[Mugen]

:lol Using the soft card that hasn't worked in 6 years

[gambit1990]

smells like purgatory, just like i forecasted.

[RC_Drunkford]

This might be earliest Pop has ever pulled out the "soft" card...

Usually after he does we go on like a 6 game losing streak to :spin

Flopovich is still using the same methods he been using when the big 3 were around. He just doesn't understand that these things ain't working anymore in todays NBA

[phxspurfan]

Keldon corralling the returning players.. He is showing leadership

such a massive home run compared to Luka shit sandwich

[TimDunkem]

Puka essentially looked away from his teammates 6 times in a row and was either blocked or bricked each time except for one gifted ft attempt and one make from 3. He was so lost he couldn't even stand on his feet let alone stay in front of anyone.

This is to say nothing of his demeanor on the bench always hanging his head and looking straight up pissed off. :lol

[Sugus]

Man, the worst part about game threads has got to be the ST experts coming out the fields to rub their own dicks. I swear some of y'all just watch the boxscore waiting for the L to drop... At least be man enough to suffer through the game before talking shit, like my guy Mugen :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Honestly the team has tuned out Flopovich since 2017. Back then we were really good though, so everytime we were down, Manu would come out and give the team the spark they needed to turn the game around. Once he was gone, they stopped taking the old man serious

[Dejounte]

Don't understand the hate for Luka... He doesn't contribute much to this team's problems.

[paperboy77]

I was actually hoping Puka would show out a bit. Instead he somehow managed to play some of the worst ball I've ever seen. It was like watching an accident. Horrifying but I couldn't look away.

He hit a 3 tho!

You are using the same mentality Pop uses. We suck but Patty or Rudy hit a late, meaningless 3 so naturally the next game he leans on them more. Luka is officially a bust. I mean what might be his ceiling anyway? Tops he's in the Rodney Hood, Jeff Green or Thad Young. All those guys are a net minus. Shit he'd be lucky to put up those type of stats.

[phxspurfan]

:lol because we gave a bored Lakers team a fight for a few quarters.

Exactly this. Lakers were bored and gave just enough effort to beat us. If we played better, they had like 2 or 3 more gears to upshift to.

[Sugus]

such a massive home run compared to Luka shit sandwich

It's actually insane that Keldon was a 29th pick. He would've been a steal at 19th. Playing like a lottery pick right now, tbh.

[Sugus]

E. double post.

[GAustex]

That may have been the worst Spurs game I recall watching
Keldon played hard.

[TimDunkem]

You are using the same mentality Pop uses. We suck but Patty or Rudy hit a late, meaningless 3 so naturally the next game he leans on them more. Luka is officially a bust. I mean what might be his ceiling anyway? Tops he's in the Rodney Hood, Jeff Green or Thad Young. All those guys are a net minus. Shit he'd be lucky to put up those type of stats.

You realize I'm criticizing Puka, right? Or am I missing something?

[Atl Spur]

:lol Using the soft card that hasn't worked in 6 years

It only works when you truly aren’t soft but playing lazy! Unfortunately there are a few players on this roster that are truly soft as hell but much more are super lazy!

[J_Paco]

You didn't watch did you? He was absolutely fucking terrible.


Wow, a young, inexpercienced, project played poorly during garbage time?! OMG, who could have seen that coming.....

If you aren’t slurping, you aren’t right to the guy.

Again, I'm just not an overly whiny, crybaby, bitch like most of the trolls on ST.

The team is bad to mediocre (when Derrick is aggressive), needs more lottery level talent & held onto too many veterans (who "need" their minutes).

That is the reality of the Spurs and this season. I'm happy Keldon is killing shit, I'm hopeful DeJounte, Devin and Lonnie can find some consistency and the sooner we get back Derrick the better.

[TimDunkem]

Don't understand the hate for Luka... He doesn't contribute much to this team's problems.

No one hates Puka. He is a scrub. No reason to hate a scrub for being a scrub. We're just pointing out that ST intelligentsia was wrong on this one.

[paperboy77]

Don't understand the hate for Luka... He doesn't contribute much to this team's problems.

I think the issue is that he "seems" to have the tools to do well but doesn't. I'm really big on watching these "garbage time guys" and what they do with their opportunity. In somewhat of a defense for them i would say that if the head coach is ok with them taking a defeatist attitude then they are not totally at fault for their weak-mindedness. Just remember Manu. That man didn't give a fuck about the score or his age. He just brought some hustle all the time. Attitude and effort goes a long way.

[Atl Spur]

You are using the same mentality Pop uses. We suck but Patty or Rudy hit a late, meaningless 3 so naturally the next game he leans on them more. Luka is officially a bust. I mean what might be his ceiling anyway? Tops he's in the Rodney Hood, Jeff Green or Thad Young. All those guys are a net minus. Shit he'd be lucky to put up those type of stats.

In his second year at his age????Nah.....

[Sugus]

Avidly waiting for Pop's grade on this one, tbh.

[TimDunkem]

Wow, a young, inexpercienced, project played poorly during garbage time?!


Again, I'm just not an overly whiny, crybaby, bitch like most of the trolls on ST.

The team is bad to mediocre (when Derrick is aggressive), needs more lottery level talent & held onto too many veterans (who "need" their minutes).

That is the reality of the Spurs and this season. I'm happy Keldon is killing shit, I'm hopeful DeJounte, Devin and Lonnie can find some consistency and the sooner we get back Derrick the better.

While being shit on by other projects and playing the worst basketball we've seen from a player in a Spurs jersey in years!

[timtonymanu]

:lol Using the soft card that hasn't worked in 6 years

It’s hilarious how he pulled it when he himself cost the team some of those games

[John B]

Has calling the team soft worked in the past five years? In one ear and out the other.
My read on that is Pop's not happy with our defense, and not that Jazz shut the hell out of the 3's.
So they need to play more aggressive, better defense.

[Sugus]

It’s hilarious how he pulled it when he himself cost the team some of those games

Pop's self reflection has sadly gone out the window, tbh. How many losing seasons can you whitstand before realizing you might be a part of the problem, too?

[Dejounte]

No one hates Puka. He is a scrub. No reason to hate a scrub for being a scrub. We're just pointing out that ST intelligentsia was wrong on this one.

Why are you so focused on what people think of players? Who cares if they were wrong?

[paperboy77]

You realize I'm criticizing Puka, right? Or am I missing something?

Well I think I'm right about Pops backward ass mentality. So oK, yeah I agree with you bashing Luka. Homeboy is a bust.

[TimDunkem]

Why are you so focused on what people think of players? Who cares if they were wrong?

You followed me around with the KJ/PJ positional comp for a while. Sit down.

[Sugus]

Why are you so focused on what people think of players? Who cares if they were wrong?

Didn't you get the memo? Being hopeful of draft picks and the team in general is blasphemous around here, tbh. Hoping players work out into the team or that players take a step forward is just wishful thinking. You should just talk how much of a bust every prospect is, so you can stroke your own dicklet on every game thread where they do badly in, tbh.

I'd love to read through some of the game threads during the big-3 days. Surely no one was like this when the team's talent level was higher - right? :lmao

[Dejounte]

You followed me around with the KJ/PJ positional comp for a while. Sit down.

Followed you for a while? It was one post... What the hell, dude?

[r0drig0lac]

another team that turns into 15-17 warriors against us, nothing new ... and why the hell is this Jakob scrub so soft on everything except screens? and yet it can't roll like a normal center?

[J_Paco]

Why are you so focused on what people think of players? Who cares if they were wrong?

Cause we missed out on that franchise shifting, future HOF talent named Brandon Clarke because they gambled on Luka (when they had an extra pick anyway).

They have hit on every pick and make no mistakes to please the spoiled, entitled, constantly complaining denizens of ST.

[phxspurfan]

You are using the same mentality Pop uses. We suck but Patty or Rudy hit a late, meaningless 3 so naturally the next game he leans on them more. Luka is officially a bust. I mean what might be his ceiling anyway? Tops he's in the Rodney Hood, Jeff Green or Thad Young. All those guys are a net minus. Shit he'd be lucky to put up those type of stats.

Looks to me like a poor man's Keith Van Horn. Or a rich man's Sam Dekker if he develops more outside /shooting game. He's not overly fast, so those cuts probably won't work as well against bigger/stronger/more physical PF types in the NBA. He might get a couple but then defenses will thwart the drive with lateral movement and force him to shoot.

4Pauj0T1uqU

[Mugen]

My read on that is Pop's not happy with our defense, and not that Jazz shut the hell out of the 3's.
So they need to play more aggressive, better defense.

Quite a read there, Johnny B

[TimDunkem]

Fandom and homers bashing someone for their different take when player is drafted = good

Shit player is shit and pointed out by the person bashed by fanboys and slurpers = bad

Got it.

[timtonymanu]

Didn't you get the memo? Being hopeful of draft picks and the team in general is blasphemous around here, tbh. Hoping players work out into the team or that players take a step forward is just wishful thinking. You should just talk how much of a bust every prospect is, so you can stroke your own dicklet on every game thread where they do badly in, tbh.

I'd love to read through some of the game threads during the big-3 days. Surely no one was like this when the team's talent level was higher - right? :lmao

:lol nope.ST was just as critical back then, mainly because we wanted Timmy to win one more and a lot of times he was surrounded by shit

[absoloot66]

such a massive home run compared to Luka shit sandwich

:rollin:rollin:rollin

[Joseph Kony]

Why are you so focused on what people think of players? Who cares if they were wrong?

thats like half your posts dude :lol you were literally just wondering on the previous page why posters dont like Samanic :lol

[Dejounte]

Fandom and homers bashing someone for their different take when player is drafted = good

Shit player is shit and pointed out by the person bashed by fanboys and slurpers = bad

Got it.

The difference is both of those categories don't usually let it linger for two years. They talk shit initially then move on. Luka was drafted two years ago and you still can't stop talking about the people who liked him.

[TimDunkem]

Followed you for a while? It was one post... What the hell, dude?

You did it 3 times separated by months. Then again you forgot about what you just posted regarding Puka according to Kony. :lmao

[Mugen]

I don't even care about whiffing on Luka tbh. It was a shitty draft and Keldon @ 29 more than makes up for it.

It's just hilarious to me that RC was scouting this kid for years and he's gonna end up being out of the league in a year or two :lol

[TimDunkem]

The difference is both of those categories don't usually let it linger for two years. They talk shit initially then move on. Luka was drafted two years ago and you still can't stop talking about the people who liked him.

Wrong. I just discuss Luka when he comes up and the slurpers come out of the woodwork to slurp and cry about me "crying".

[Sugus]

:lol nope.ST was just as critical back then, mainly because we wanted Timmy to win one more and a lot of times he was surrounded by shit

Yeah, thought so. I'd just like to go and see some of these experts' takes on things. Everyone's so right all the time around here, yet never shows quotes, or receipts, nothing, and I'm supposed to take it at face value? Nah. But oh well, ST will bitch on, I guess...

[Dejounte]

You did it 3 times separated by months. Then again you forgot about what you just posted regarding Puka according to Kony. :lmao

I see your ass hunting every Luka post and commenting on it. Let it go dude

[spurs1990]

Luka has played probably a total of 100 NBA minutes. How are you guys so sure in your assessment of his game. It's not his fault he can't actually get on the court ahead of guys like Uebanks, Lyles.

[Sugus]

Cause we missed out on that franchise shifting, future HOF talent named Brandon Clarke because they gambled on Luka (when they had an extra pick anyway).

Thanks for the laugh, tbh :tu

[timtonymanu]

Yeah, thought so. I'd just like to go and see some of these experts' takes on things. Everyone's so right all the time around here, yet never shows quotes, or receipts, nothing, and I'm supposed to take it at face value? Nah. But oh well, ST will bitch on, I guess...

Welcome to ST. We aren’t known as one of the most toxic sites for no good reasons. :lol. Part of why I love posting on here so much.

[TimDunkem]

I see your ass hunting every Luka post and commenting on it. Let it go dude

I personally know stories about the kid being a douche around town, so excuse me if I never fail to point out how awful he is whenever brought up. :lol

[J_Paco]

Didn't you get the memo? Being hopeful of draft picks and the team in general is blasphemous around here, tbh. Hoping players work out into the team or that players take a step forward is just wishful thinking. You should just talk how much of a bust every prospect is, so you can stroke your own dicklet on every game thread where they do badly in, tbh.

I'd love to read through some of the game threads during the big-3 days. Surely no one was like this when the team's talent level was higher - right? :lmao


I came around towards the end of the Big 3 era, but you had plenty of "Debbie Downers" and "Cliff Jumpers" back then. Especially, during the lean years of '08 - '12 when Tim, Tony and Manu were just keeping the team afloat.

It seems to be more pervasive and incessant now, though. Which makes sense when you've seen 20+ years of success and have to now "take your lumps."

I thought that is what people around here wanted anyway, but apparently they'll complain, bitch and moan through that too.

[Dejounte]

I personally know stories about the kid being a douche around town, so excuse me if I never fail to point out how awful he is whenever brought up. :lol

If that's true, you should share it... That's a real scoop. We need more TMZ-like scoops around here.

[TimDunkem]

If that's true, you should share it... That's a real scoop. We need more TMZ-like scoops around here.

Treat essential workers with respect is all I'm going to say.

Also learn how to fucking play basketball if you're going to sulk on the bench.

[Sugus]

I don't even care about whiffing on Luka tbh. It was a shitty draft and Keldon @ 29 more than makes up for it.

It's just hilarious to me that RC was scouting this kid for years and he's gonna end up being out of the league in a year or two :lol

That's a take I can agree with. Not overly emotional, takes context into account, acknowledges both good and bad. I don't think Luka will be out of the league in 1-2 years (mainly because another team will for sure take a flyer on Luka, if not only for his physical gifts and the Spurs' reputation for draftees turning into stars), but great post, dude.

[timtonymanu]

Treat essential workers with respect is all I'm going to say.

Also learn how to fucking play basketball if you're going to sulk on the bench.

Did anyone else remember the reports that first came out when the Spurs drafted him that he basically pulled a Nephew on whatever other team he was playing for? I’m honestly not surprised if luka is another nephew type of bitch

[Dejounte]

Treat essential workers with respect is all I'm going to say.

Also learn how to fucking play basketball if you're going to sulk on the bench.

Why are you withholding this....

Anyway, if he's truly a douchebag as a person, it could explain his lack of minutes.

[PhantomDashCam]

Rough game. A little hot after this one but like a Gay 3, I’m letting it fly.

My observations:

- Accountability. Pop, if you’re going to call the team soft 6 games into the season, with the 4th loss in a row, playing predominantly the same rotations for key stretches of the game; shouldn’t you be open to addressing media questions you deem unworthy, only if to set a level of professionalism and “toughness” you want your team to follow? Or are you being soft?

- DJ - talk the talk, walk the walk.
In interviews this season, DJ has been dismissive of personal praise - valuing team success over personal accolades. This game seemed to buck that trend. Consistently hunting and taking ill advised shots and letting it affect you mentally...Hope it was just a setback rather than a step back.

- Mills and Gay. WTF?? Can we get away from this second unit, shoot first assault? Mills has been shooting the ball well but shouldn’t be handling the ball nearly as much. Allow others to generate shots for you both. One pass - chuck, one screen - chuck; it’s not winning us games.

[Sugus]

Welcome to ST. We aren’t known as one of the most toxic sites for no good reasons. :lol. Part of why I love posting on here so much.

Sad that I can't join in the overly negative takes, tbh, but everyone seems to enjoy pissing on each others' cereal and I'm not about to police it, SAGirl-style. It's hilarious to me though, that I'm called a sniffer here, when I originally left that shit Reddit Spurs forum in favor of this one because of their refusal to acknowledge Pop's decay and bad coaching. Can't please everyone I guess :lol

[timtonymanu]

Sad that I can't join in the overly negative takes, tbh, but everyone seems to enjoy pissing on each others' cereal and I'm not about to police it, SAGirl-style. It's hilarious to me though, that I'm called a sniffer here, when I originally left that shit Reddit Spurs forum in favor of this one because of their refusal to acknowledge Pop's decay and bad coaching. Can't please everyone I guess :lol

I got no problem with you personally. I can admit I contribute a lot to the toxicity of this site, but even with that you still will find some good and knowledgeable posters. Reddit is absolute trash, I would love to troll all those fans on there way more than here lol

[paperboy77]

In his second year at his age????Nah.....

Really hope you're right. But what is his ceiling tho?

[Sugus]

Rough game. A little hot after this one but like a Gay 3, I’m letting it fly.

My observations:

- Accountability. Pop, if you’re going to call the team soft 6 games into the season, with the 4th loss in a row, playing predominantly the same rotations for key stretches of the game; shouldn’t you be open to addressing media questions you deem unworthy, only if to set a level of professionalism and “toughness” you want your team to follow? Or are you being soft?

- DJ - talk the talk, walk the walk.
In interviews this season, DJ has been dismissive of personal praise - valuing team success over personal accolades. This game seemed to buck that trend. Consistently hunting and taking ill advised shots and letting it affect you mentally...Hope it was just a setback rather than a step back.

- Mills and Gay. WTF?? Can we get away from this second unit, shoot first assault? Mills has been shooting the ball well but shouldn’t be handling the ball nearly as much. Allow others to generate shots for you both. One pass - chuck, one screen - chuck; it’s not winning us games.

I think at this point, the team could really benefit from putting Walker on the bench. Of course, it relies on White getting back - and staying back. But I truly don't think the Spurs are as bad as tonight's showing, they just aren't running good lineups nor gameplans (not good in relation to the teams' ceiling, which is of course not championship quality or near it).

Lonnie would take the ball away from both Patty and Mills, get expanded opportunities to create shots for himself and others (and actually shoot the ball, since he might feel more "authority" to take shots over bench players than starting players), and relegate the last two to their preferrable spot-up shooters roles. White on the main unit would give us much needed playmaking, easy looks, would feed Poeltl like no one on this team can do, and would also make a lot of shots.

LMA being back would also help the team, though to a lesser extent. But without White, we just can't get going, tbh. Also not a coincidence that we lost badly the first game against the Lakers, then fought it to the wire with White, as rusty as he was.

[J_Paco]

Yeah, thought so. I'd just like to go and see some of these experts' takes on things. Everyone's so right all the time around here, yet never shows quotes, or receipts, nothing, and I'm supposed to take it at face value? Nah. But oh well, ST will bitch on, I guess...

Go look at the Derrick White draft thread for all the "expert analysis" from ST. It give you levity and help you realizes these crybabies don't know jack shit.

There is a reason that "senile" Pop and "drunk" R.C. Buford do what they do and are headed to the HOF while these "keyboard coaches/GM's" couldn't sniff the NBA.

The NBA draft is a crap shot especially with how young all the prospects are. The amount of prospects that are out of the league in 3 to 4 years (look at the 29th pick the last 10+ years] is shockingly high.

[spurs1990]

- Accountability. Pop, if you’re going to call the team soft 6 games into the season, with the 4th loss in a row, playing predominantly the same rotations for key stretches of the game; shouldn’t you be open to addressing media questions you deem unworthy, only if to set a level of professionalism and “toughness” you want your team to follow? Or are you being soft?


Have you met Gregg popovich of the last 20 years? Sure he never takes credit for any success but he sure as hell never owns up to any faults in losing games

[Sugus]

Really hope you're right. But what is his ceiling tho?

You do know he was a 19th pick, right? What's a 19th pick's ceiling, usually? I dare say most 19th picks tend to bust out, or cap out as role players at most. I see Luka being an average role player at his peak, especially with his shooting touch (wasn't addressed in this thread of course, since everyone's busy shitting on him, but he swished his only 3PA - once he learns his place and role, I could see a lot more of that).

People just have stupid expectations out of Spurs' draft picks. Entitled fans, I tell ya.

[SpursDynasty85]

This, tbh. Keldon emerging as a young star is enough to make this season worthwhile. A top lottery pick would be icing on the cake - and the realization that the team needs a big overhaul, a byproduct of big losses, would also be great. People aren't looking at the bigger picture here.

It sort of is working great (the rebuild). Spurs don’t quite need a big overhaul other than the vets moving on and the youngins taking over. Assuming Luka is serviceable soon. We really just need a PF/C in this years draft and we should be set as far as talent and depth, especially if we can get a solid free agent next year as well.

[Sugus]

I got no problem with you personally. I can admit I contribute a lot to the toxicity of this site, but even with that you still will find some good and knowledgeable posters. Reddit is absolute trash, I would love to troll all those fans on there way more than here lol

No problems with ya either, my man. In fact, I dare say that some negativity here is refreshing to read - when it's not obnoxious or tooting-my-horn appraisal of "being right" about this or that. Nobody cares........ A lesson many posters here should've learnt by now. But oh well, I still frequent this forum, which says more about me than y'all, tbh. Not many good and active places to discuss the Spurs nowadays.

And yeah, you'd get banned in about 5 minutes on Reddit. Truly a trash place of vanilla takes. And to think that TD 21 guy was calling my takes vanilla, lol, people just don't know, my guy.

[Sugus]

Go look at the Derrick White draft thread for all the "expert analysis" from ST. It give you levity and help you realizes these crybabies don't know jack shit.

There is a reason that "senile" Pop and "drunk" R.C. Buford do what they do and are headed to the HOF while these "keyboard coaches/GM's" couldn't sniff the NBA.

The NBA draft is a crap shot especially with how young all the prospects are. The amount of prospects that are 9ut of the league in 3 to 4 years (look at the 29th pick the last 10+ years] is shockingly high.

Agreed wholeheartedly, and I've for a while been wanting to revive some old threads from here - now, particularly the one on drafting Keldon. Should make for a fun read on these "experts", tbh.

What's funny is people complaining so much about Luka, when we hit an absolute home run in Keldon in the very same draft. Luka could ditch the NBA to play competitive Fortnite starting next season, for all I care, and it still would be an excellent draft for the Spurs. But if you don't do every. single. thing. picture-perfect right, the experts come out the woodworks for your neck... Hilarious and sad.

[paperboy77]

Looks to me like a poor man's Keith Van Horn. Or a rich man's Sam Dekker if he develops more outside /shooting game. He's not overly fast, so those cuts probably won't work as well against bigger/stronger/more physical PF types in the NBA. He might get a couple but then defenses will thwart the drive with lateral movement and force him to shoot.

4Pauj0T1uqU

I guess i mainly agree with your assessment. I'd go with that. Still, those guys are not ultra valuable and if you wanted one, probably not hard to get. I don't think we get rid of the guy just yet. Pop needs to put him in a meaningful situation and actually coach him. After that and the guy is still lost in the headlights... get rid of the guy.

[Sugus]

It sort of is working great (the rebuild). Spurs don’t quite need a big overhaul other than the vets moving on and the youngins taking over. Assuming Luka is serviceable soon. We really just need a PF/C in this years draft and we should be set as far as talent and depth, especially if we can get a solid free agent next year as well.

Yeah, I agree. I think a big part of the vitriol is truly posters not being used to sucking, and just lashing out, which is hilarious because they're the same posters who were calling the team trash before the season started. Like, what were you expecting, and why are you complaining...?

I'm all for a high draft pick, shaking off these stupid vets, and going into next season as a young, gritty team with talent and cohesion that needs development. We've seen a lot of individual good from most Spurs young players, and it's only been a couple games into the season. I trust in White, Keldon, Lonnie, and whomever we might draft next year. A little bit of luck and good drafting, a FA or two, and we'll be right back on track.

I'll say it over and over, like a broken record - most of ST wouldn't stand a season being a Knicks or Kings fan, tbh.

[paperboy77]

Luka has played probably a total of 100 NBA minutes. How are you guys so sure in your assessment of his game. It's not his fault he can't actually get on the court ahead of guys like Uebanks, Lyles.

Think you are wrong in saying it's not his fault. He plays ultra soft in the minutes he is given. You would think the guy would dive for a ball, go for a block, go for a dunk on someone, shoot, show emotion... anything but he doesn't. The guy has no sense of a ticking time clock with regards to opportunity. Someone in the coaching staff or his circle need to intervene and tell him he's about to waste his shot.

[J_Paco]

Have you met Gregg popovich of the last 20 years? Sure he never takes credit for any success but he sure as hell never owns up to any faults in losing games

What coach does though? I never remember hearing Jerry Sloan or Phil Jackson "take ownership" of a loss throughout their long careers.

Even sorry asses like Jim Boylen and John Beilein didn't take "ownership" of how shitty the Bulls and Cavaliers were last year.

ST seems to have this obsession with Pop being "more humble and accountable," yet he accepts very little (if any of the credit) for the team's historical success.

[paperboy77]

You do know he was a 19th pick, right? What's a 19th pick's ceiling, usually? I dare say most 19th picks tend to bust out, or cap out as role players at most. I see Luka being an average role player at his peak, especially with his shooting touch (wasn't addressed in this thread of course, since everyone's busy shitting on him, but he swished his only 3PA - once he learns his place and role, I could see a lot more of that).

People just have stupid expectations out of Spurs' draft picks. Entitled fans, I tell ya.

I guess in all of my posts I ultimately blame Pop, whether implied or not. When you are the boss, all this shit falls on you. If you can't do it then his boss must find someone that will. Yes there's a cap and even Pop is a human which will do what needs to be done to save his ass but I think all these failures are on him. The next guy may not be remotely better but at lease he'll have a clean slate.

[PhantomDashCam]

I think at this point, the team could really benefit from putting Walker on the bench. Of course, it relies on White getting back - and staying back. But I truly don't think the Spurs are as bad as tonight's showing, they just aren't running good lineups nor gameplans (not good in relation to the teams' ceiling, which is of course not championship quality or near it).

Lonnie would take the ball away from both Patty and Mills, get expanded opportunities to create shots for himself and others (and actually shoot the ball, since he might feel more "authority" to take shots over bench players than starting players), and relegate the last two to their preferrable spot-up shooters roles. White on the main unit would give us much needed playmaking, easy looks, would feed Poeltl like no one on this team can do, and would also make a lot of shots.

LMA being back would also help the team, though to a lesser extent. But without White, we just can't get going, tbh. Also not a coincidence that we lost badly the first game against the Lakers, then fought it to the wire with White, as rusty as he was.

I agree, don’t think the team is nearly as bad as this game. First one we’ve been out of realistically since halftime since pre season. It was clear that frustration boiled over from the players, coaching staff and the fans after what appeared a positive 48 min contest against LA and the good news (at the time) of White’s return.
2-4 to start the season isn’t a death knell either. Even if we drop the next 2, we could conceivably win both Minnesota games and the OKC contest to end the trip.
D. White is a huge piece of the puzzle though. Keldon Johnson’s play makes any loss a little more bearable.

[Sugus]

I guess in all of my posts I ultimately blame Pop, whether implied or not. When you are the boss, all this shit falls on you. If you can't do it then his boss must find someone that will. Yes there's a cap and even Pop is a human which will do what needs to be done to save his ass but I think all these failures are on him. The next guy may not be remotely better but at lease he'll have a clean slate.

Agreed wholeheartedly. I'm not gonna go "I've been saying this!!" like other posters, but it's been painfully obvious for some time now that the Spurs are about 3-4 years behind in terms of coaching and schemes. They can't stop other teams from a barrage of 3 pointers, and can't be bothered to shoot 3s themselves at a high rate in return, even when the other 29 teams are consistently trending in that direction. I love the "old school" game, but after a certain amount of season of it evidently not working, you have to try new things. And that's the thing that I haven't been seeing from these Spurs - new things.

We might be more competitive in nights where certain young players stand out. We might fight back better now that most defensive liabilities are off the team. We might get the random wins when the other team's having an off night and we execute. But, on a fundamental level, we're still trying to do what we were 3 years ago, when DeRozan came into the team... And it's never taken us far. So yeah, the personnel isn't great, but I dare blame the lack of success on coaching for this. Not even so much on the FO (I don't think the roster assembled is worse than that of teams that are currently playing better than the Spurs), just plain ol' coaching. Pop has lost a couple steps, has fallen behind, and actively hinders the roster now. Time for change that should've been here ages ago.

[SpurPadre]

Couldn't watch the game and just seen the box score. Seeing the game, how miserable was Murray's game and how good was Keldon's?

[GAustex]

^not watching this game is a blessing

[GAustex]

Keldon is a bad ass though

[Sugus]

Couldn't watch the game and just seen the box score. Seeing the game, how miserable was Murray's game and how good was Keldon's?

Very, and very, respectively :lol

[Rummpd]

Couldn't watch the game and just seen the box score. Seeing the game, how miserable was Murray's game and how good was Keldon's?


Keldon is a bad ass though

Only bright spot build around him and White blow up rest ASAP!

[Atl Spur]

I guess in all of my posts I ultimately blame Pop, whether implied or not. When you are the boss, all this shit falls on you. If you can't do it then his boss must find someone that will. Yes there's a cap and even Pop is a human which will do what needs to be done to save his ass but I think all these failures are on him. The next guy may not be remotely better but at lease he'll have a clean slate.
You obviously don’t understand the Boss vs Employee dynamic :) Stop being whiney little women....every team must retool! Get yourself together bro..

[paperboy77]

You obviously don’t understand the Boss vs Employee dynamic :) Stop being whiney little women....every team must retool! Get yourself together bro..

I think you don't. Employee must do what boss says or he be replaced. Simple. When that belief doesn't exist the system fails. Not even sure where we're going with this. I'm just blaming Pop first then the player.

[poopbox]

Flopovich is still using the same methods he been using when the big 3 were around. He just doesn't understand that these things ain't working anymore in todays NBA

Yeah...imagine DDR and LMA being called "soft" and it "lights a fire under them" :lol

[poopbox]

Don't understand the hate for Luka... He doesn't contribute much to this team's problems.

Doesn't really contribute much of anything tbh :lol


Luka needs to talk to LMA about how to pout correctly...cause when he did it we ran our entire clogged toilet offense through him for 2 years

[tmtcsc]

Keldon is a bad ass though

I'm already feeling sorry for him. He is surrounded by shit. All the bullshit about being around vets he can learn from...blah blah blah. Everyone on this team could learn from him in terms of playing like they give a damn. Playing like they care. Too many guys on this team serve up the usual PC interview statements to the media.

I'd love to see a Charles Barkley type give an honest answer. Something like, "We're running an offense that requires us to make threes but to be honest, we don't have the personnel to execute that game plan". Until we start making 3's at an acceptable level, we sure as hell can & must play better defense. That doesn't take skill, that takes desire and right now, not enough of us have it. The players who aren't bringing it, know who they are."

[tmtcsc]

Doesn't really contribute much of anything tbh :lol


Luka needs to talk to LMA about how to pout correctly...cause when he did it we ran our entire clogged toilet offense through him for 2 years

Fans get pissed and bitter because he represents how shitty the F.O. has become. For years they drafted players that would be stashed in Europe until they could be brought over to the US with some sort of maturity. The only ones that worked out were Manu & Scola. We all know what happened with Scola.

Luka was a complete whiff and reach. Its obvious he can't play and doesn't belong on an NBA court. The organization was absolutely lucky they stole Keldon Johnson in the second round. Good Gawd what a disaster he is.

[tmtcsc]

Only bright spot build around him and White blow up rest ASAP!

White and Keldon are the 2 best players on this team but White is made of glass and can't stay healthy. Needs to cut that nasty mop too. WTF is that supposed to be? Receding Afro?

[rankingtear]

Lol the meltdown.

[Dejounte]

Lol the meltdown.

It's a bad loss. But it seems like other teams are experiencing bad losses too. Just the other day the Clippers lost by 50 and did their fans quit on their season?

I'm not at that point yet. I'm still a believer of this team. Tonight's loss is probably the most disappointing one in years for me. But like I've been saying since pre-season... You wait at least 15 games to judge a team.

Losing this badly MIGHT just be the nature of the NBA today.

[rankingtear]

The key to our offense is attacking the rim and they had 48 min of Gobert and Favors. Pop tried to counter by playing Lyles instead of Eubanks to get Gobert/Favors away from the rim. This is one situation where LA stretch ability is useful, as long as he does not die on the Jazz PNR.

[NASpurs]

It's a bad loss. But it seems like other teams are experiencing bad losses too. Just the other day the Clippers lost by 50 and did their fans quit on their season?

I'm not at that point yet. I'm still a believer of this team. Tonight's loss is probably the most disappointing one in years for me. But like I've been saying since pre-season... You wait at least 15 games to judge a team.

Losing this badly MIGHT just be the nature of the NBA today.


Next five games are on the road and the first two of those games are against the Lakers and Clippers. Let's be real, the Spurs are gonna be 2-6 after the Lakers game. After the road trip, they play the Rockets back to back and then the Blazers. The West is a bloodbath.

Even if the Spurs played in the Eastern conference, I would be skeptical about making the playoffs. :lol

[Dejounte]

Next five games are on the road and the first two of those games are against the Lakers and Clippers. Let's be real, the Spurs are gonna be 2-6 after the Lakers game. After the road trip, they play the Rockets back to back and then the Blazers. The West is a bloodbath.

Even if the Spurs played in the Eastern conference, I would be skeptical about making the playoffs. :lol

Looks daunting as hell but you have awful teams like the Bulls winning games they shouldn't be winning like tonight against the Mavericks.

Edit: also the Wizards over the Nets.

[Payote75]

I just don't understand.....being competitive gets us shit at this point. If your going to suck let the young dudes suck. LA, Gay and DD need to go at best we get some needed assets at worst we get crap and we open up minutes for young guys as well as a better lottery pick. Why is there such a need to try and be mediocre? Just get what you can for those 3 old talented dudes.
Mills can stay he can be a good vet to teach pops ways. He has the longest tenure under pop to teach these kids what is expected of a spur.

I mean eat why not add some new faces some picks? This is infuriating!!! Having those three is a luxury we don't need.
if you could add an Aaron Gordon or a Fournier or both. Imagine just adding Gordon how athletic this team would be and the young guys wouldn't feel like they need to defer to LA or DD etc. please pull the plug add some new blood. Nobody that's a true superstar will sign here the cap space will mean squat. Signing and overpaying for a bunch of "B" level stars won't cut it.

im begging make the trades or regretfully I say pop just go.

[Dennis the Menace]

People say the ‘21 draft class is stacked. If so, and we ain’t gonna championship with this collective roster in the next 3 years ... well then grab ahold of the situation and trade LMA & DD for upcoming draft picks. Or sign & trade for John Collins

[jbspurs]

In 2 years, he might be able to miss the shot vs getting blocked. Baby steps.


:spin

[jbspurs]

Doesn't really contribute much of anything tbh :lol


Luka needs to talk to LMA about how to pout correctly...cause when he did it we ran our entire clogged toilet offense through him for 2 years

He contributes on the negatives...

[daslicer]

This team is just not constructed to win that's why the losses don't get to me. As good as Keldon is on a normal team he would be playing the 3 and not 4. Demar is also playing out of position as a 3. The team doesn't have any legit solid bigs. LMA is looking washed up right now. White is now out again with the same injury. Factor all of these things and we got a lottery team. For me it's all about watching the development of all our young guys Keldon,Dejounte,Walker,Vassell. Keldon has been so far the most consistent out of the 4 and most promising but I think those other 3 will have nights where they look good.