Jonathan Tjarks: The Ringer: DeMar DeRozan Has Expanded His Game, and His Value to the Spurs

[Drom John]

DeMar DeRozan Has Expanded His Game, and His Value to the Spurs (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/1/8/22220471/demar-derozan-spurs-trade-free-agency)

[KingKev]

DeMar DeRozan Has Expanded His Game, and His Value to the Spurs (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/1/8/22220471/demar-derozan-spurs-trade-free-agency)

Prefer he increase his value to the rest of the league tbh

[Dejounte]

That flexibility gives both him and the Spurs a lot of options. If San Antonio falls out of playoff contention this season, it can shop him to contenders for young players and future picks. His expiring salary ($27.7 million) would fit into the trade exception that Boston acquired for Gordon Hayward. The Celtics could package someone like Romeo Langford or Aaron Nesmith and a first-round pick for DeRozan, who would fit well next to Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. Conversely, if the Spurs don’t want to fully rebuild, they could let Aldridge walk in the offseason, re-sign DeRozan, and prioritize defense at center.

I thought it was LMA who fits that trade exception from Boston?

DeMar playing well is win-win to all fans.

For DeMar haters:
-He's raising his trade value, we could get good return on a sign and trade or a trade at the deadline
-He could be raising his value to the point it's above the Spurs' price range if they wished to re-sign him

For those neutral on DeMar:
-His unselfish play and newfound capability of shooting 3's will help the team stay competitive
-He's raising his trade value, we could get good return on a sign and trade or a trade at the deadline
-He could be raising his value to the point it's above the Spurs' price range if they wished to re-sign him

Don't know anyone who actually loves DeMar, but for those people:
-You get to watch him play well

[Mugen]

Cool. Hopefully he can continue expanding his game on another team next season :lol

[The Truth #6]

It’s cool to see him get this recognition. I don’t see anything to complain about here. He’s making 3s!

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

He is trash.

I liked when I thought Daboom was gone. Ignorance is bliss sometimes I suppose.

[CGD]

I thought it was LMA who fits that trade exception from Boston?

DeMar playing well is win-win to all fans.

For DeMar haters:
-He's raising his trade value, we could get good return on a sign and trade or a trade at the deadline
-He could be raising his value to the point it's above the Spurs' price range if they wished to re-sign him

For those neutral on DeMar:
-His unselfish play and newfound capability of shooting 3's will help the team stay competitive
-He's raising his trade value, we could get good return on a sign and trade or a trade at the deadline
-He could be raising his value to the point it's above the Spurs' price range if they wished to re-sign him

Don't know anyone who actually loves DeMar, but for those people:
-You get to watch him play well

That’s a good proposed trade with BOS.

[Dejounte]

I liked when I thought Daboom was gone. Ignorance is bliss sometimes I suppose.

It seems like timvp is lifting the ban on all these old posters. They're all coming out of the woodwork.

[KobesAchilles]

I have zero complaints about DDR this year.

[Dex]

If DeMar can continue to be even a decent three-point shooter, then he is better than anything the Spurs will be able to find on the open market right now.

That was the only flaw major to his game and would turn him from an inefficient volume scorer to an All-Star or better.

Anyone who thinks otherwise just has blinders on and wants to be a hater.

[Robz4000]

If DeMar can continue to be even a decent three-point shooter, then he is better than anything the Spurs will be able to find on the open market right now.

That was the only flaw major to his game and would turn him from an inefficient volume scorer to an All-Star or better.

Anyone who thinks otherwise just has blinders on and wants to be a hater.

I mean he's still a complete black hole on defense and God-awful at decision-making at the end of games.

[NASpurs]

I have trouble praising Demar when I keep my eyes open (unlike some people here) when the Spurs are on the defensive side of the court and want to bash my head in when I see DeMar’s deficiencies. He’s not a Harden type of talent to forgive his flaws on defense. Go get $25 + mil a year on the wrong side of 30 from some other team next year.

[Mugen]

If DeMar can continue to be even a decent three-point shooter, then he is better than anything the Spurs will be able to find on the open market right now.

That was the only flaw major to his game and would turn him from an inefficient volume scorer to an All-Star or better.

Anyone who thinks otherwise just has blinders on and wants to be a hater.

He's also a below average defender and would take away touches (especially crunch time touches) from Derrick when he's back. I also think the money can be better spent elsewhere, either on other Free Agents next summer or to keep some of the developing young guys.

I like Demar as a person, wish him well in his career. He's been a consummate professional since he arrived in SA. I think he could be part of a championship team if he was 3rd banana to a couple of top 25 players as well. But there really isn't a $ figure where I'd like to see him back with the club next year tbh.

[NASpurs]

I mean he's still a complete black hole on defense and God-awful at decision-making at the end of games.

Like when he picks up his dribble 18 ft out looking for a teammate to bail him out only to ask for the ball again, repeat the same shit and it ends with a contested fade-away or a teammate hoisting an inefficient, contested shot with time winding down.

[Chinook]

If Johnson is a full-time four, the Spurs don't have a reason to not want DeRozan long term. If they do what I hope they do and find a young PF with real size and scoring, then it's harder to see DMDR fitting. We'll see. The team's youth is still sorting itself into keepers and trade bait, and that could continue for a while yet as they draft more guys over the upcoming years.

[Dejounte]

You don't need to try to call me out faggot. :lmao

I love you, baby

[Dejounte]

I'd rather have TheDrewShow back than all these wannabe third rate trolls.

[NASpurs]

Give him a $17 mil/yr with an incentive of $50 million if he makes an All Defensive team. :lol

[Dex]

I mean he's still a complete black hole on defense and God-awful at decision-making at the end of games.

Who else do you think the Spurs should spent their money on then?

[Robz4000]

Who else do you think the Spurs should spent their money on then?

Keeping their own young talent and taking on bad contracts for picks.

[John B]

Don't know anyone who actually loves DeMar, but for those people:
-You get to watch him play well

I don't love Demar, but his unselfish plays and willingness to shoot the 3's have helped our young guns' development. You have to agree, Demar never complained nor asked to be traded, when you hear of Harden, Westbrook, CP3, Davis, PG... Demar has been the good soldier.

[GAustex]

DDR is a good player. He is not worth what he is making. He is also unreliable in crunch time.

[duncan2k5]

If DeMar can continue to be even a decent three-point shooter, then he is better than anything the Spurs will be able to find on the open market right now.

That was the only flaw major to his game and would turn him from an inefficient volume scorer to an All-Star or better.

Anyone who thinks otherwise just has blinders on and wants to be a hater.

So u value numbers over impact... someone like u would prefer Harden, westbrook or Melo over Ginobili

[duncan2k5]

I don't love Demar, but his unselfish plays and willingness to shoot the 3's have helped our young guns' development. You have to agree, Demar never complained nor asked to be traded, when you hear of Harden, Westbrook, CP3, Davis, PG... Demar has been the good soldier.

He demands the ball in crunch time like he is some closer and doesn't deliver...the ball needs to be in the hands of our young guys who actually factor into our long term plans so they can learn how to close...DeMar is over 30 and still can't close or play defense...he isn't suddenly gonna change his stripes...it's all downhill from here with a big contract on top of it...

[duncan2k5]

Who else do you think the Spurs should spent their money on then?

You don't have to settle for someone that has negative impact just because they have a big name...denver would never take westbrook over Jamal murray even tho westbrook puts up better numbers...sometimes you have to choose role and fit for team over the big name

[duncan2k5]

How low have we come as a franchise when we want to keep players simply because they never complained? That's how low the bar is now? Hedo and Richard Jefferson never complained either, and we bashed them into OBLIVION when they were here (rightfully so)...

[Degoat]

I’m kind of neutral on Demar, I’d love for us to trade him but I think he also gets to much hate lol if any of the youngins played as well as Demar does at times we would think we have the next superstar but because it’s Demar people point at all the negatives he does.

with that being said.... Trade his ass!

[Drom John]

If Johnson is a full-time four, the Spurs don't have a reason to not want DeRozan long term.

Salary.
DeRozan is a very good NBA player worth a solid paycheck.
DeRozan is not $27.8M good.

[TDMVPDPOY]

guy is a fkn scrub....

[spurspl]

not a ddr fan and i know thats only 8 games played but u all have to admit that 43% from deep (2.6 attempts per game) is a great result from a guy who was totally afraid to shoot 3s.

[MoSpur02]

His willingness to shoot from 3pt land has helped the Spurs and will continue to do so if he keeps shooting the open three. My biggest complaints about Derozan and Aldridge were that they couldn’t play on the court together at the same time and bring success because they demanded the ball a lot, only shot mid-range jumpers, and with their backs to the basket. They have both changed that about their games and I think it shows that it’s been good for the team.

People complaining about Derozan are just never gonna be satisfied with him no matter what he does. His court vision and willingness to pass to the open man has also helped tremendously because of how the opposing defenses have to collapse on him when he drives to the basket.

[GAustex]

Lucy always pulls the ball away from Charlie Brown.
DDR at crunch time is the same.
He is worth about 1/2 the $ he is making or better yet he makes It on some other team.

[mo7888]

I'm in the neutral camp on DDR. I'm good with trading him if we can get value and I'm also good with resigning him for 2 years. In either case I agree with Chinook about getting a 4 with size. If DDR goes KJ moves to the 3 and if he stays KJ may move to the bench and play the 3 and 4 off the bench. It would provide depth and grooms KJ for a much bigger role in the future.

[cd021]

I thought it was LMA who fits that trade exception from Boston?

DeMar playing well is win-win to all fans.

For DeMar haters:
-He's raising his trade value, we could get good return on a sign and trade or a trade at the deadline
-He could be raising his value to the point it's above the Spurs' price range if they wished to re-sign him

For those neutral on DeMar:
-His unselfish play and newfound capability of shooting 3's will help the team stay competitive
-He's raising his trade value, we could get good return on a sign and trade or a trade at the deadline
-He could be raising his value to the point it's above the Spurs' price range if they wished to re-sign him

Don't know anyone who actually loves DeMar, but for those people:
-You get to watch him play well

Boston's trade exception is for $28.5 million, though that trade wouldn't work because they can't go over $138 million because Boston's hardcapped. It would have to be DeRozan for Nesmith and Langford and, probably, a 2021 first. That or DeRozan for Theis, Langford and a 2021 first.

[Dejounte]

Boston's trade exception is for $28.5 million, though that trade wouldn't work because they can't go over $138 million because Boston's hardcapped. It would have to be DeRozan for Nesmith and Langford and, probably, a 2021 first. That or DeRozan for Theis, Langford and a 2021 first.

Nesmith+ Langford's salaries don't equal Derozan's though and neither does Theis + Langford's. How will that work?

[r0drig0lac]

Nesmith+ Langford's salaries don't equal Derozan's though and neither does Theis + Langford's. How will that work?

TPE

[Dejounte]

TPE

The whole thing confuses me... So you can trade DeRozan for the TPE, and Celts trade Nesmith, Langford to the Spurs for nothing separately?

[r0drig0lac]

Boston's trade exception is for $28.5 million, though that trade wouldn't work because they can't go over $138 million because Boston's hardcapped. It would have to be DeRozan for Nesmith and Langford and, probably, a 2021 first. That or DeRozan for Theis, Langford and a 2021 first.


The whole thing confuses me... So you can trade DeRozan for the TPE, and Celts trade Nesmith, Langford to the Spurs for nothing separately?
as long as it does not exceed this limit

[cd021]

Saw an interesting trade idea: DeRozan for Gary Harris, Will Barton, and a 2021 first round pick. Spurs would have to include Lyles to offset salary so that they wouldn't go into the tax.

Barton and Harris haven't been very good this season, and they'd cut into the spurs cap space for next season. Maybe that could make it a three teamer so the Spurs wouldn't have to take back Barton

[cd021]

Nesmith+ Langford's salaries don't equal Derozan's though and neither does Theis + Langford's. How will that work?
DeRozan's contract can be absorbed in the trade exception but Boston can't technically do that deal because they used their mid-level on Tristan Thompson and it hard-capped them. They can't exceed $138 million so that's why Theis+ Langford or Langford and Neismith would need to be included so stay under the hard-cap.

Spurs Get
Lanford
Theis
2021 1st round pick

Boston Gets
DeRozan

[CGD]

DeRozan's contract can be absorbed in the trade exception but Boston can't technically do that deal because they used their mid-level on Tristan Thompson and it hard-capped them. They can't exceed $138 million so that's why Theis+ Langford or Langford and Neismith would need to be included so stay under the hard-cap.

Spurs Get
Lanford
Theis
2021 1st round pick

Boston Gets
DeRozan

I like the trade, except I’d swap Nesmtih for Langford.

Btw similar formulation should work if BOS wanted LMA instead.

[cd021]

The whole thing confuses me... So you can trade DeRozan for the TPE, and Celts trade Nesmith, Langford to the Spurs for nothing separately?
It would be all in one deal. The way I understand it, it would be DeRozan and Theis, Langford, and a 2021 first. The trade exception would also be applied, allowing for Boston to take back the difference in between salaries.

[cd021]

I like the trade, except I’d swap Nesmtih for Langford.

Btw similar formulation should work if BOS wanted LMA instead.

I think they really like Nesmith so I doubt they'd want to include him and a 2021 first. I've been thinking about Gay being a good fit, maybe even Mills.

[Thomas82]

Prefer he increase his value to the rest of the league tbh

That makes 2 of us!! The only value I care about with DeRozan is his trade value.

[TDMVPDPOY]

spurs need a volume scorer

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

You don't have to settle for someone that has negative impact just because they have a big name...denver would never take westbrook over Jamal murray even tho westbrook puts up better numbers...sometimes you have to choose role and fit for team over the big name

denver would take westbrook

[Ice009]

denver would take westbrook

Over Jamal Murray? I don't think they would.

[jbspurs]

DeRozan for Beal is all I want

[Kurgan]

While I don't mind this current version of Demar(finally shooting those open threes), I'm skeptical about him being able to keep this up. Contract year players are always a tough gamble. Considering his age, he doesn't really fit long-term. Spurs should look to trade him for assets...either picks or young players.

[Biggems]

Now that DDR is finally shooting 3s and making many of them, I want him to stay. I still do not trust his late game antics, as he is a turnover machine and forces some shots, but he is playing so much better now. It started in the bubble and has really escalated this season. Even Aldridge is playing great some very good ball this year. He seems to have found his groove with the youngsters. Still, if I had to choose, I would jettison LMA and keep DDR.

In the next draft my 4 pet cats are

PF Greg Brown - Texas
freak athlete
a fucking stud
has inside and outside game
makes positive impact on both ends
is a Longhorn


PF Isaiah Todd - G League Ignite
extremely athletic
has some nice handles
good passer
good rim protector
is a dunking machine, but also has some nice low post moves
developing his outside shot, but has a good midrange fade away
a bit of a show off
not sure about his BB IQ
19 yrs old

SG Ron Harper Jr. - Rutgers
NBA legacy
Hi BB IQ
Blue Collar work ethic
practices and plays like he has something to prove to the world
gritty and tough
gives max effort on both ends of the court
very coachable
team leader
has shown great progress and improvement of skill set each year
mature
20 yrs old

C Charles Bassey - Western Kentucky
a strong defender
good shot blocker and rebounder
does the dirty work
sets some nice screens
still developing his offensive game
a smooth athlete
high motor
20 yrs old

[SpurSpike]

If he keeps spacing the floor we should keep him, he is a damn good player and shooting 3's pretty much fixes the biggest crutch in his game.

[GreekSpursfan]

It all depends on the price. If he asks 25+ then no but at 20m i would consider it. A 4/80 deal with a team option in his last year is good imo. We won't find anyone better with that kind of money.