Enough is enough.......... Real NBA > Todays NBA

[lebomb]

I agree it’s actually not bad to watch tbh

But yeah the revisionist history is ridiculous, not a lot of things have actually changed overtime (softness, teaming up, etc)


Are you shittin me? All kinds of thangs have changed.

:lol 4 on 1 fast breaks and a 3pt shot is taken
:lol No defense, players roll to the rim uncontested
:lol No player movement on offense, niggas just standing around waiting for a 3 ball
:lol Players taking shots that would have got you benched in the REAL NBA
:lol 6'-8" 160 lb SGs
:lol 6'-8' 160 lb PGs
:lol 6'-8" 160 lb PFs
:lol 6'-8" 160 lb SFs
:lol Real Centers - Embid, Rudy Gobert and maybe Jokic

All kinds of shit has changed.

:lol Todays NBA

[lefty]

Are you shittin me? All kinds of thangs have changed.

:lol 4 on 1 fast breaks and a 3pt shot is taken
:lol No defense, players roll to the rim uncontested
:lol No player movement on offense, niggas just standing around waiting for a 3 ball
:lol Players taking shots that would have got you benched in the REAL NBA
:lol 6'-8" 160 lb SGs
:lol 6'-8' 160 lb PGs
:lol 6'-8" 160 lb PFs
:lol 6'-8" 160 lb SFs
:lol Real Centers - Embid, Rudy Gobert and maybe Jokic

All kinds of shit has changed.

:lol Todays NBA

There was no defense to the rim back then either, in fact the defense was terrible back then :lol
KJ, Jordan and other slasher also scored uncontested baskets in the paint
People see those highlights of them posterizing big men and assume it was always like that while in fact it wasn’t:lol

Mark Eaton was tall, Perdue was tall, did rhat make them great centers? :lol
Det logic :lol

Another case of someone who didn’t watch the games but only relies on highlight videos :lol

[Dirks_Finale]

Did you ever actually watch teams like Det in the late 80's and NYN/MIA in the 90's?

Come on, man!


There was no defense to the rim back then either, in fact the defense was terrible back then :lol
KJ, Jordan and other slasher also scored uncontested baskets in the paint
People see those highlights of them posterizing big men and assume it was always like that while in fact it wasn’t:lol

Mark Eaton was tall, Perdue was tall, did rhat make them great centers? :lol
Det logic :lol

Another case of someone who didn’t watch the games but only relies on highlight videos :lol

[Dirks_Finale]

But wait, it's so 'skilled' and we are all supposed to be in awe of this. :rolleyes

Today's NBA is much like today's hip-hop. Everything looks and sounds the same. It's all auto-tune and 3 point shots :lol


Are you shittin me? All kinds of thangs have changed.

:lol 4 on 1 fast breaks and a 3pt shot is taken
:lol No defense, players roll to the rim uncontested
:lol No player movement on offense, niggas just standing around waiting for a 3 ball
:lol Players taking shots that would have got you benched in the REAL NBA
:lol 6'-8" 160 lb SGs
:lol 6'-8' 160 lb PGs
:lol 6'-8" 160 lb PFs
:lol 6'-8" 160 lb SFs
:lol Real Centers - Embid, Rudy Gobert and maybe Jokic

All kinds of shit has changed.

:lol Todays NBA

[Neo.]

Are you shittin me? All kinds of thangs have changed.

:lol 4 on 1 fast breaks and a 3pt shot is taken

why not, if you have 3 other guys to get a rebound, with a good shooter taking the shot. simply sounds like a low-risk, high-reward situation.

:lol No defense, players roll to the rim uncontested

yes people get to the rim uncontestedly much more often though, because spacing is far superior. watch games in the 80s and 90s, unless its FCP no one picks up their defender until they're at about the free throw line. now you have to pick up every player at the 3, and some players 4-5 feet beyond the 3. thats why its such a heavily used and deadly skillset, because it results in uncontested layups and dunks. i'm pretty sure just allowing everyone to have free reign to shoot open 3s would be a far worse result defensively.


:lol No player movement on offense, niggas just standing around waiting for a 3 ball

literally the exact same thing has always existed, just in the past it was more a matter of dumping into the post, as opposed to guards and wings getting penetration. and championship teams have great movement. you are acting as if the way bottom feeder teams are how the entire modern NBA plays, and that the celtics/lakers of the 80s were how bottom feeders played back in the day. absolutely not.


:lol Players taking shots that would have got you benched in the REAL NBA

players that could hit them back in the day were not benched. they were transcendent.


:lol 6'-8" 160 lb SGs
:lol 6'-8' 160 lb PGs
:lol 6'-8" 160 lb PFs
:lol 6'-8" 160 lb SFs

lol you might want to do your research, players today are on average around 10 lbs heavier than they were in the 80s and 90s. with modern advances in medicine and training, its absolutely obvious that modern players have more size and muscle while being equally if not more lean.


:lol Real Centers - Embid, Rudy Gobert and maybe Jokic

:lol guards of the 80s and 90s having elite all-nba first teamers like mark price

without michael jordan, guards of those eras were a joke compared to todays guards. why? because strategy is simply different. the league is constantly having to adapt to beat whatever playing style is dominating during its respective era. its already clear that bigs are slowly becoming the trend again, so i'm certain within a few years its going to be a big mans league again, and teams will have to adapt.

[lebomb]

why not, if you have 3 other guys to get a rebound, with a good shooter taking the shot. simply sounds like a low-risk, high-reward situation.


yes people get to the rim uncontestedly much more often though, because spacing is far superior. watch games in the 80s and 90s, unless its FCP no one picks up their defender until they're at about the free throw line. now you have to pick up every player at the 3, and some players 4-5 feet beyond the 3. thats why its such a heavily used and deadly skillset, because it results in uncontested layups and dunks. i'm pretty sure just allowing everyone to have free reign to shoot open 3s would be a far worse result defensively.



literally the exact same thing has always existed, just in the past it was more a matter of dumping into the post, as opposed to guards and wings getting penetration. and championship teams have great movement. you are acting as if the way bottom feeder teams are how the entire modern NBA plays, and that the celtics/lakers of the 80s were how bottom feeders played back in the day. absolutely not.



players that could hit them back in the day were not benched. they were transcendent.



lol you might want to do your research, players today are on average around 10 lbs heavier than they were in the 80s and 90s. with modern advances in medicine and training, its absolutely obvious that modern players have more size and muscle while being equally if not more lean.



:lol guards of the 80s and 90s having elite all-nba first teamers like mark price

without michael jordan, guards of those eras were a joke compared to todays guards. why? because strategy is simply different. the league is constantly having to adapt to beat whatever playing style is dominating during its respective era. its already clear that bigs are slowly becoming the trend again, so i'm certain within a few years its going to be a big mans league again, and teams will have to adapt.


I disagree with everything you replied. Sorry man.

[Neo.]

I disagree with everything you replied. Sorry man.

its an absolute fact that modern players weigh more these days than in the past.

its an absolute fact that guys who took ballsy, transition 3s and hit them consistently were lauded as opposed to benched (see bird, stockton, reggie)

its an absolute fact that its easier to get open layups and dunks when you have more space to work with.

its an absolute fact that there will be more space in the paint, if defenders are guarding their man farther away from the paint.

but feel free to disagree all you want. then again, you think utsa is great, so

[lebomb]

its an absolute fact that modern players weigh more these days than in the past.

its an absolute fact that guys who took ballsy, transition 3s and hit them consistently were lauded as opposed to benched (see bird, stockton, reggie)

its an absolute fact that its easier to get open layups and dunks when you have more space to work with.

its an absolute fact that there will be more space in the paint, if defenders are guarding their man farther away from the paint.

but feel free to disagree all you want. then again, you think utsa is great, so


Still disagree completely. The players now are so one dimensional. Shoot the 3 and drive to the hole. Thats it. Nothing else required.

Also, I do think UTSA is great. So..........

[Neo.]

Still disagree completely. The players now are so one dimensional. Shoot the 3 and drive to the hole. Thats it. Nothing else required.

Also, I do think UTSA is great. So..........

ok so basically you have nothing to back up your massively exaggerated, or completely incorrect claims. its simply a matter of your personal opinion (which i have no issue with whatsoever). got it :toast

[lebomb]

I've backed my argument up with straight facts as well. Just watch an NBA game of Today.

7'3" centers jackin 3pt shots. 6'8" PGs. What the hell is tha world comin to. :smokin

[i'm_still_beta]

Neo. and Lefty vs 80's and 90's nba fans is the modern day version of Riggs and Murtaugh vs South African thugs

Seriously, logical insightful arguments that everyone can check by watching old and modern games vs muh physicality, muh toughness

[i'm_still_beta]

I've backed my argument up with straight facts as well. Just watch an NBA game of Today.

7'3" centers jackin 3pt shots. 6'8" PGs. What the hell is tha world comin to. :smokin

More skill?

Also Rick Carlisle told why Porzingis doesn't post up. Because illegal defense was banned.

6'8" PGs? Penny, Magic?

[Neo.]

I've backed my argument up with straight facts as well. Just watch an NBA game of Today.

7'3" centers jackin 3pt shots. 6'8" PGs. What the hell is tha world comin to. :smokin

lol bill laimbeer

lol magic johnson

guess that means the blame falls on old nba since they set the trend tbh

[MultiTroll]

4 on 1 fast break three point chuck....

why not, if you have 3 other guys to get a rebound, with a good shooter taking the shot. simply sounds like a low-risk, high-reward situation.
Because the easy assist results in the sure 2 points.

Your way even with a rebound of the missed shot, next 50-50 chance of making it. (Assuming defenders get back by the time of the miss.)

[Neo.]

4 on 1 fast break three point chuck....

Because the easy assist results in the sure 2 points.

Your way even with a rebound of the missed shot, next 50-50 chance of making it. (Assuming defenders get back by the time of the miss.)

first off, 4-on-1 chucks don't happen nearly as often as lebomb and people want to suggest it does. most times, teams take the layup.

that said, if you have a guy like klay or steph taking the shot, i would absolutely be fine with a 4-on-1 transition three. if its andre roberson, then thats stupid. but lets not now revise history further and act like only modern players take dumb shots, and every shot in the 80s and 90s were high IQ shots. there were a lot of bad shots, and it's actually comical to see how many wide open off-balance midrange jumpers in transition were clanked each game, especially in the 80s.

[Dirks_Finale]

Depends on what point in the game as well. If it's the 1st half of a reg season game and it's Steph, then go right ahead because that open 3 is like a layup for him if there is no pressure applied.

If it's the final minute of a close game, then you always take the sure points. Steph understands that but many of today's chuckers do not.


4 on 1 fast break three point chuck....

Because the easy assist results in the sure 2 points.

Your way even with a rebound of the missed shot, next 50-50 chance of making it. (Assuming defenders get back by the time of the miss.)

[Dirks_Finale]

Bigs used to get fined for shooting 3's...


first off, 4-on-1 chucks don't happen nearly as often as lebomb and people want to suggest it does. most times, teams take the layup.

that said, if you have a guy like klay or steph taking the shot, i would absolutely be fine with a 4-on-1 transition three. if its andre roberson, then thats stupid. but lets not now revise history further and act like only modern players take dumb shots, and every shot in the 80s and 90s were high IQ shots. there were a lot of bad shots, and it's actually comical to see how many wide open off-balance midrange jumpers in transition were clanked each game, especially in the 80s.

[lefty]

Did you ever actually watch teams like Det in the late 80's and NYN/MIA in the 90's?

Come on, man!

Clearly you didn’t:lol

[lefty]

Bigs used to get fined for shooting 3's...
I don’t remember Perkins or Divac being fined for shooting 3s

[Dirks_Finale]

I don’t remember Perkins or Divac being fined for shooting 3s

Are you saying bigs were not fined for shooting 3's? Do I have to do the googling for you? :lol

[Dirks_Finale]

Clearly you didn’t:lol

Clearly your bias is shining brightly right about now. :lol

[lefty]

Clearly your bias is shining brightly right about now. :lol
Nah I'm just spitting facts son

[Neo.]

Bigs used to get fined for shooting 3's...

so because they were fined in the past, that means it was the right thing to do? because they were fined, that means that shootings 3s are bad?

i honestly find it astonishing how you continue to make ridiculous claims, and never have a shred of worthwhile evidence to back yourself up.

"durhuhuhrrhhrhrh bigs were fined for shooting 3s back in the day so that is PROOF that its a bad strategy that no one should use!!!!!"

most illogical.

[Dirks_Finale]

So you are acknowledging that this happened. Thanks :clap


so because they were fined in the past, that means it was the right thing to do? because they were fined, that means that shootings 3s are bad?

i honestly find it astonishing how you continue to make ridiculous claims, and never have a shred of worthwhile evidence to back yourself up.

"durhuhuhrrhhrhrh bigs were fined for shooting 3s back in the day so that is PROOF that its a bad strategy that no one should use!!!!!"

most illogical.

[Neo.]

So you are acknowledging that this happened. Thanks :clap

never said it didnt.

so whats the point you're trying to make?

[lefty]

so because they were fined in the past, that means it was the right thing to do? because they were fined, that means that shootings 3s are bad?

i honestly find it astonishing how you continue to make ridiculous claims, and never have a shred of worthwhile evidence to back yourself up.

"durhuhuhrrhhrhrh bigs were fined for shooting 3s back in the day so that is PROOF that its a bad strategy that no one should use!!!!!"

most illogical.
Exactly of anything it shows that 90s coaches had an antiquated backwards mentality :lol

[Neo.]

Exactly of anything it shows that 90s coaches had an antiquated backwards mentality :lol

im especially curious of all these 6'8 160lb players that lebomb says exists today :rollin

are there even any?

[lebomb]

im especially curious of all these 6'8 160lb players that lebomb says exists today :rollin

are there even any?


Exaggerated a bit to get my point across, but look at the typical 6'-7-6'-8" player. They weigh 180-185lbs. Very thin and loooooong is Todays NBA. No wonder we see so many ACL and Achilles injuries. Deez niggas need to eat a sammich or two.

[Neo.]

Exaggerated a bit to get my point across, but look at the typical 6'-7-6'-8" player. They weigh 180-185lbs. Very thin and loooooong is Todays NBA. No wonder we see so many ACL and Achilles injuries. Deez niggas need to eat a sammich or two.

id like to see proof of that

take for example one of the skinniest players in the league, brandon ingram, he's actually 190

so I'm curious if you can produce 20 cases of 180-185 lbs players in the 6'7 - 6'8 range who a actually get regular minutes, since you claim that's the typical weight for such typical players

[ambchang]

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2021/3/10/22323023/nba-three-point-shooting-breaking-point

According to sbnation, even nba insiders are worried that the proliferation of threes are ruining basketball as homogeny in styles is boring (well duh), but here we have a couple of self made experts claiming this is not a problem at all.

Then you have Dwayne Casey, who was a head coach known for designing defensive systems saying that it’s much easier to penetrate the paint when you aren’t allowed to touch anyone on defence, and we have the same self made expert claiming that :lol todays nba players have this seemingly evolutionary ability to suddenly becoming much better athletes and claiming :wow yesterdays nba players just somehow can’t compete in :lol today’s nba as if players aren’t adapted to the new rules nor given the same training.

[FrostKing]

Most the NCAA blue bloods had a historically poor season. Exactly why I stuck with the College game - coaching matters.

[TDfan2007]

This year's been kind of an anomaly it seems. I think some of it has to do with no fans, more normal schedules, and players trying to conserve energy. Players are just more comfortable out there and the fans aren't there to energize the home team on D and intimidate the away team. I'd be curious to see how things change when fans can come back.

As for the overall trend of the game. It's about numbers. 3 pointers are just the more effective shot, so why not jack them up if you can, especially when defenses aren't allowed to play you tight or make you uncomfortable? The combination of historically elite shooting at just about every position, along with crackdowns on physical defense, and a refusal to crack down on offensive contact initiation and hilariously illegal screens has made individual defense almost impossible. You need to have a locked in, synchronized team D to have a chance, and most teams can't be bothered to do so. They would rather just out-chuck the other team from 3.

[TDfan2007]

And I agree with Neo, championship level teams haven't changed much in terms of their balanced attacks and elite defenses. It's the other 26 or so teams though that ruin it

[lebomb]

My wife was watching an NBA game last night, and although she defends Todays NBA (basketball in general), she pointed out there was at least 7-8 possessions in a row during the game where a 3pt shot was taken and BRICKED. There were plenty of opportunities to move the ball around, and get a nice 2pt shot. But a quick 3pt shot was taken instead.

Todays NBA :rolleyes

My wife cannot even defend this shit anymore.

[Spurtacular]

And I agree with Neo, championship level teams haven't changed much in terms of their balanced attacks and elite defenses. It's the other 26 or so teams though that ruin it

That Lakers team that won last season is first or second round fodder in a lot of years, tbh.

[lefty]

My wife was watching an NBA game last night, and although she defends Todays NBA (basketball in general), she pointed out there was at least 7-8 possessions in a row during the game where a 3pt shot was taken and BRICKED. There were plenty of opportunities to move the ball around, and get a nice 2pt shot. But a quick 3pt shot was taken instead.

Todays NBA :rolleyes

My wife cannot even defend this shit anymore.
She tried to communicate something to you and you missed

She meant to ay you have been bricking lately

[Neo.]

My wife was watching an NBA game last night, and although she defends Todays NBA (basketball in general), she pointed out there was at least 7-8 possessions in a row during the game where a 3pt shot was taken and BRICKED. There were plenty of opportunities to move the ball around, and get a nice 2pt shot. But a quick 3pt shot was taken instead.

Todays NBA :rolleyes

My wife cannot even defend this shit anymore.

and vice versa the exact same could be said about 80s and 90s ball where on dozens of possessions each game there would be 4-5 wide open 3pt shots available on a possession that were passed up because they were incapable of hitting it, or would rather force a contested hook or midrange shot simply because its a "better shot" that they bricked anyways

yesterdays nba :rolleyes

[lebomb]

and vice versa the exact same could be said about 80s and 90s ball where on dozens of possessions each game there would be 4-5 wide open 3pt shots available on a possession that were passed up because they were incapable of hitting it, or would rather force a contested hook or midrange shot simply because its a "better shot" that they bricked anyways

yesterdays nba :rolleyes


Chuck away then.....doesn't matter when, from what distance, if there is a fast break or not, if there are rebounders, doesn't matter at all. Just chuck that M/F. Pull up from just inside the half court line with 22 seconds left on the shot clock. :clap

[lefty]

and vice versa the exact same could be said about 80s and 90s ball where on dozens of possessions each game there would be 4-5 wide open 3pt shots available on a possession that were passed up because they were incapable of hitting it, or would rather force a contested hook or midrange shot simply because its a "better shot" that they bricked anyways

yesterdays nba :rolleyes

:lmao Defenses leaving Magic Johnson and Dennis Johnson wide open
:lmao and they were guards
:lmao the disrespect

[Neo.]

Chuck away then.....doesn't matter when, from what distance, if there is a fast break or not, if there are rebounders, doesn't matter at all. Just chuck that M/F. Pull up from just inside the half court line with 22 seconds left on the shot clock. :clap

no one said chucking brainlessly is good strategy either. however it doesnt happen nearly as much as you suggest.

the scenario you just described maybe happens once a game, if that, and is usually done only by guys who are actually capable of hitting those kinds of shots on a consistent basis like steph, dame or trae.

championship ball always has been and always will be the same strategy - a balanced offense, versatile defense, executes basic fundamentals well, and effectively attacks opponent weaknesses. every era has its popular strategies, which inherently have flaws. in the past, where defenses were forced into a lot of one-on-one situations, post up players were most effective. over the past 15 years with more restrictions placed on physicality, but limits greatly released on defensive strategies, dribble penetration and deeper shooting is much more effective now.

ive said it plenty of times, yet somehow i continue to get labeled as a guy who loves the modern game. but its not exactly my favorite style to watch either. i simply understand the style and see why its an effective strategy, because of how the rules are and how the game is officiated. i also think its absolute crap to just say "oh if you stick shaq or mike in the modern game they would win 10 rings in a row because less size and no handchecking!!!1!!1!1", because the illegal defense rules allowed them to be far more effective as one-on-one players. it was especially obvious in shaqs case with how quickly he declined, despite being bigger and stronger than every player in the NBA, and clear proof of it was the finals against detroit. all that being said, i want to see some major changes.

personally, i would love to see the 3pt line pushed out a foot (and made the same distance all around, instead of a shorter corner shot), adjust the rules that award fouls so easily for offensive players initiating unnatural contact (a huge reason for reduced defensive physicality), and stronger enforcement of anti-flopping rules (another reason for reduced defensive physicality). then we will get a nice balance of both worlds, and i personally feel will result in the best basketball product possible.

[lefty]

They should cancel the 3 pt line tbh lol, just to see how players would react :lol

[Spurtacular]

My wife was watching an NBA game last night, and although she defends Todays NBA (basketball in general), she pointed out there was at least 7-8 possessions in a row during the game where a 3pt shot was taken and BRICKED. There were plenty of opportunities to move the ball around, and get a nice 2pt shot. But a quick 3pt shot was taken instead.

Todays NBA :rolleyes

My wife cannot even defend this shit anymore.

That is not so bad. In fact by the numbers, it's even a good shot in today's NBA. But that sh** wouldn't be so much a norm if it wasn't pussy ball.

Have the Mavs game on in the background right now. Mavs got down by 14. But Donkey can just dribble up tra la la la and shoot from two feet behind the line barely contested again and again and the lead is down to 3. It's not real basketball. It's for neckbeards getting thrills up their legs watching 25 footers go through the net.

[Neo.]

That is not so bad. In fact by the numbers, it's even a good shot in today's NBA. But that sh** wouldn't be so much a norm if it wasn't pussy ball.

Have the Mavs game on in the background right now. Mavs got down by 14. But Donkey can just dribble up tra la la la and shoot from two feet behind the line barely contested again and again and the lead is down to 3. It's not real basketball. It's for neckbeards getting thrills up their legs watching 25 footers go through the net.

define "real basketball"

[lefty]

define "real basketball"
rEaL mEn mUhpHysIcAlLiTy , dEcApiTaTeD eVeRyTiMe yOu WeNt tO tHe bAsKeT huuuuurrrrrr duurrrrrrrrrrrr

[Spurtacular]

define "real basketball"

If you need it defined for you, you're the pussy I speak of.

[Neo.]

If you need it defined for you, you're the pussy I speak of.

I want to know your definition

[Spurtacular]

I want to know your definition

That's nice.

[FrostKing]

They should cancel the 3 pt line tbh lol, just to see how players would react :lol
Confusion followed by dribbling out of bounds for the uncontested shot :lol

[Neo.]

That's nice.

derp folds again :lol

[Spurtacular]

Are you shittin me? All kinds of thangs have changed.

:lol 4 on 1 fast breaks and a 3pt shot is taken
:lol No defense, players roll to the rim uncontested
:lol No player movement on offense, niggas just standing around waiting for a 3 ball
:lol Players taking shots that would have got you benched in the REAL NBA
:lol 6'-8" 160 lb SGs
:lol 6'-8' 160 lb PGs
:lol 6'-8" 160 lb PFs
:lol 6'-8" 160 lb SFs
:lol Real Centers - Embid, Rudy Gobert and maybe Jokic

All kinds of shit has changed.

:lol Todays NBA

A dude like Boban would be an all-star if the game were played right. Instead he's just an after thought.

[lefty]

Confusion followed by dribbling out of bounds for the uncontested shot :lol

:lol

[Dirks_Finale]

They should cancel the 3 pt line tbh lol, just to see how players would react :lol

What's more likely is a 4 point shot being implemented which will kill the product all the more, imo.

But I do wish they would move the line back some. But even with that, I think everyone will just gravitate to the corner, though. The game is addicted to the 3.

[lebomb]

What's more likely is a 4 point shot being implemented which will kill the product all the more, imo.

But I do wish they would move the line back some. But even with that, I think everyone will just gravitate to the corner, though. The game is addicted to the 3.

How about the further you are away from the basket the more points? Logo shots are 4pts, half court shots are 5, sink it from the opposing teams free throw is 6, chuck that biach full court and sink it and you automatically win the game.

:hat

[lefty]

:lol 4 on 1 fast breaks and a 3pt shot is taken



I have to agree on that one

IIRC it was a few weeks ago, close game, Nuggets down by 1 point in the closing seconds, get the ball (steal or defensive rebound I'm not sure), 3 on 1 or 4 on 1 fastbreak, Murray has the ball, his teammates are all behind the 3 pt line, Murray takes the 3, Nuggets lose :lol

[murpjf88]

"wow you can actually shoot unlike most of those plumbers, here your ticket to the HOF son"

Klay Thompson would have averaged 50 ppg in that shit era tbh :lol
I think you have your eras ass backwards. Players in that era would dominate in this era. Players aren't more skilled or more athletic, they're just playing in a different system (motion offense + NBA rule changes makes stat padding a breeze- just the way the NBA wants it)

Klay Thompson would be a glorified Dell Curry in the 90's.

[Neo.]

A dude like Boban would be an all-star if the game were played right. Instead he's just an after thought.

so youre saying a soft 7'4 guy with no mobility and no skills other than a baby hook would be an all-star in the 90s

:lmao yesterdays nba

[Dirks_Finale]

I think you have your eras ass backwards. Players in that era would dominate in this era. Players aren't more skilled or more athletic, they're just playing in a different system (motion offense + NBA rule changes makes stat padding a breeze- just the way the NBA wants it)

Klay Thompson would be a glorified Dell Curry in the 90's.

He thinks players like Mark Price (50/40/90 guy) were bums, devoid of talent.

[Dirks_Finale]

How about the further you are away from the basket the more points? Logo shots are 4pts, half court shots are 5, sink it from the opposing teams free throw is 6, chuck that biach full court and sink it and you automatically win the game.

:hat

If they think it generates ratings, they will do all that.

[Neo.]

:lmao Defenses leaving Magic Johnson and Dennis Johnson wide open
:lmao and they were guards
:lmao the disrespect

this is absolutely hilarious, how defenders would sometimes sag so far off of them they literally were at or inside of the FT line because no one respected the 3 of 95% of players back then

if players back then actually could hit 3s consistently and used modern offensive sets, there may have literally been a game where both teams nearly scored 200 because of how easy it would be to score since there was no help defense allowed

[lebomb]

Lol.... Doncic even stated it’s easier to score in Today’s NBA than it is in Europe. Modern offensives sets??? :rollin. Players standing around the 3 pt line waiting for a chuck.

[lefty]

. Players standing around the 3 pt line waiting for a chuck.

So pretty much like Majerle, Ainge, Stark, Denis Scott, Maxwell, Elie, etc, when their star teammates were doing work down low in case they are double teamed
No cut to the basket, nothing

[lefty]

this is absolutely hilarious, how defenders would sometimes sag so far off of them they literally were at or inside of the FT line because no one respected the 3 of 95% of players back then

if players back then actually could hit 3s consistently and used modern offensive sets, there may have literally been a game where both teams nearly scored 200 because of how easy it would be to score since there was no help defense allowed

It was worse actually, Magic and DJ were left wide inside the 3 pt line, nobody feared their midrange jumpshot :lol

[Neo.]

Lol.... Doncic even stated it’s easier to score in Today’s NBA than it is in Europe. Modern offensives sets??? :rollin. Players standing around the 3 pt line waiting for a chuck.

so by that logic, you're saying the NBA isn't the most competitive league in the world

or maybe there was more to lukas comment that you are intentionally being obtuse to in order to win your crappy argument where you are ignoring obvious facts in favor of personal opinion

[Spurtacular]

so youre saying a soft 7'4 guy with no mobility and no skills other than a baby hook would be an all-star in the 90s

:lmao yesterdays nba

Was Shaq mobile relative to most NBA players today? Your argument leaves a lot to be desired.

[Neo.]

Was Shaq mobile relative to most NBA players today? Your argument leaves a lot to be desired.

:lmao what? are you seriously comparing shaq's mobility to Boban? :rollin :rollin

shaq in Boston was probably more mobile than boban on his best day

[lebomb]

Prime Shaq would destroy in Todays NBA. There is noone, and I mean noone that could stop him. Embiid is the closest thing to a center this league has. He couldnt even stop a prime Shaq.

[lefty]

Shaq would struggle against the zone and would get killed on the defensive end against skilled big men who can shoot from anywhere
:lol And don’t get me started on him trying to switch, or the fact that players need to cover more space defensively, he would be too late on his rotation and would be out pf breath after the 1st quarter

:lol so no he wouldn’t destroy anyone today

[Dirks_Finale]

Shaq would struggle against the zone and would get killed on the defensive end against skilled big men who can shoot from anywhere
:lol And don’t get me started on him trying to switch, or the fact that players need to cover more space defensively, he would be too late on his rotation and would be out pf breath after the 1st quarter

:lol so no he wouldn’t destroy anyone today

I actually kind of agree with this.

Shaq would get fouled constantly. You'd be trading 3 points for his 1 or 0 free throws, most times. I kinda wonder if he could stay on the floor.

[Dirks_Finale]

Duplicate post.

[Hoops Czar]

I actually kind of agree with this.

Shaq would get fouled constantly. You'd be trading 3 points for his 1 or 0 free throws, most times. I kinda wonder if he could stay on the floor.

Shaq would be getting and 1's and missing the free throw. If Poeltl can stay on the floor, Shaq could definitely stay on the floor.

[lefty]

Shaq would be getting and 1's and missing the free throw. If Poeltl can stay on the floor, Shaq could definitely stay on the floor.

Poeltl is not a dominant player like Shaq was, obviously, but he’s more mobile

[Dirks_Finale]

Shaq would be getting and 1's and missing the free throw. If Poeltl can stay on the floor, Shaq could definitely stay on the floor. He'd be fouled as soon as they inbound the ball. And they'll just keep doing that until they are up by 20 and the coach is forced to pull Shaq.

[ambchang]

Orlando shaq would do well in today’s league. Nowhere close to as dominant as he was but would still be useful. Laker shaq would be killed on defense. Mike Bibby and Mighty Mouse got fat contracts after looking way better than they actually were because shaq wouldn’t guard the pick and roll.

He’d still be dominant offensively as those skills are transferable in any league but he’d be a huge liability on d.

[daslicer]

How about the further you are away from the basket the more points? Logo shots are 4pts, half court shots are 5, sink it from the opposing teams free throw is 6, chuck that biach full court and sink it and you automatically win the game.

:hat

:lol In this format I could picture teams launching shots on every possession from full court.

[lebomb]

I actually kind of agree with this.

Shaq would get fouled constantly. You'd be trading 3 points for his 1 or 0 free throws, most times. I kinda wonder if he could stay on the floor.

Yep, Shaq would get fouled relentlessly and would clack free throws. But, he would destroy slammin that biach down on 95% of the players in the league. Shaq would not struggle in the least bit. These 168 lb, P/Fs, S/F, positionless players would get run smooth over by Shaq.

[Neo.]

Yep, Shaq would get fouled relentlessly and would clack free throws. But, he would destroy slammin that biach down on 95% of the players in the league. Shaq would not struggle in the least bit. These 168 lb, P/Fs, S/F, positionless players would get run smooth over by Shaq.

you obviously do not understand how zone defensive concepts would greatly limit the types of looks he used to be able to experience. if he actually had some ball handling skills to be able to create his own looks then it would be a different story, but in terms of just catching clean passes deep in the post 40 times a game like he used to, thats just not happening.

i dont doubt that shaq would still be able to average 25+ppg simply based on his size and power alone, but his defensive liabilities would be massive, and he would be nearly useless in clutch scenarios. the league is tailor made to make him pay for everything he is weak at. and its far easier to gameplan against him than it used to be. i cant say it enough, how the 04 Finals exposed his limitations against zone schemes incredibly well

[Dirks_Finale]

If we are playing 90's rules, sure. In today's game his touches would be limited.

And on the other end, today's bigs will pull him away from the basket limiting his effectiveness on that end as well.

What would Boban average in the 90's? I think he is 25/12 back then. Today he is a 12th man.


Yep, Shaq would get fouled relentlessly and would clack free throws. But, he would destroy slammin that biach down on 95% of the players in the league. Shaq would not struggle in the least bit. These 168 lb, P/Fs, S/F, positionless players would get run smooth over by Shaq.

[lebomb]

If we are playing 90's rules, sure. In today's game his touches would be limited.

And on the other end, today's bigs will pull him away from the basket limiting his effectiveness on that end as well.

What would Boban average in the 90's? I think he is 25/12 back then. Today he is a 12th man.


Bruh, you must not have watched the NBA back in the day. Putting Boban in the same sentence as Shaq is insane. Shaq would wrap the rim around Bobans neck. Also, Shaq would get hella touches in Todays Weak Ass no physical contact NBA. He would absolutely dominate down low on ALL players. Who could stop him? Name one person who could stop Shaq, well.........besides himself and his free throws. :fight

[Neo.]

Bruh, you must not have watched the NBA back in the day. Putting Boban in the same sentence as Shaq is insane. Shaq would wrap the rim around Bobans neck. Also, Shaq would get hella touches in Todays Weak Ass no physical contact NBA. He would absolutely dominate down low on ALL players. Who could stop him? Name one person who could stop Shaq, well.........besides himself and his free throws. :fight

ignorance is bliss I suppose :rollin

[Neo.]

What would Boban average in the 90's? I think he is 25/12 back then. Today he is a 12th man.

if that were true, then 90s big men must have truly sucked :lmao

[Dirks_Finale]

if that were true, then 90s big men must have truly sucked :lmao

Boban is better than prime Muresan who once averaged 15/10 for a season. Neither of them sucked, the game and rules have changed.

[Dirks_Finale]

Shaq's a better player than Boban. No doubt. But Boban would own most other bigs then with his height and strength.


Bruh, you must not have watched the NBA back in the day. Putting Boban in the same sentence as Shaq is insane. Shaq would wrap the rim around Bobans neck. Also, Shaq would get hella touches in Todays Weak Ass no physical contact NBA. He would absolutely dominate down low on ALL players. Who could stop him? Name one person who could stop Shaq, well.........besides himself and his free throws. :fight

[Neo.]

Boban is better than prime Muresan who once averaged 15/10 for a season. Neither of them sucked, the game and rules have changed.

10 points better?

and prime patrick ewing was barely able to put up 25/12 :lol

[lebomb]

10 points better?

and prime patrick ewing was barely able to put up 25/12 :lol

Ignorance is bliss for sure...............Defense was actually played in the Real NBA. Todays matadore defenses? Patrick would avg. over 30pts per game. Not the other way around. You got knocked on your ass half the time trying an uncontested lane shot and you had to really try and score a bucket. Now players step to the side and let a nigga go right down the lane for a floater or layup. Todays step aside defenses vs the Real NBA. Please, :pimpslap

[Dirks_Finale]

10 points better?

and prime patrick ewing was barely able to put up 25/12 :lol

Ok, maybe not 10 points better. 20/10 easy if he could stay healthy. But that's a big if with guys his size.

[Dirks_Finale]

Ignorance is bliss for sure...............Defense was actually played in the Real NBA. Todays matadore defenses? Patrick would avg. over 30pts per game. Not the other way around. You got knocked on your ass half the time trying an uncontested lane shot and you had to really try and score a bucket. Now players step to the side and let a nigga go right down the lane for a floater or layup. Todays step aside defenses vs the Real NBA. Please, :pimpslap

He wouldn't get enough touches to average even 15 today, imo

[lefty]

He wouldn't get enough touches to average even 15 today, imo

[lebomb]

He wouldn't get enough touches to average even 15 today, imo

Yeah, same with Joel Embid. :rolleyes

[Dirks_Finale]

Yeah, same with Joel Embid. :rolleyes

Embid has distance range.

And he can hit free throws.

[lebomb]

Embid has distance range.

And he can hit free throws.

Y’all have a short memory on how dominant Shaq was. Look at some film and tell me how the fucc he wouldn’t get touches in the soft ass NBA? Lol, Shaq would own the paint. Oh wait! Bigs are supposed to live outside in Today’s NBA. My bad.

[Dirks_Finale]

Y’all have a short memory on how dominant Shaq was. Look at some film and tell me how the fucc he wouldn’t get touches in the soft ass NBA? Lol, Shaq would own the paint. Oh wait! Bigs are supposed to live outside in Today’s NBA. My bad.

He was a freak. NBA had never seen anything like him, imo. Wilt would be the closest thing to him.

But when the other team is hitting 3's and you dump it into Shaq and he gets sent to the line for 1 or 0 points, it does not take long for your team to get buried. A smart coach like Pop would foul the hell out of him in a playoff series and Shaq would get swept.

Now I'm with you on this era being soft. It just is thanks to the soft culture and rule changes. If we are playing 90's style/rules then you have a case.

[Hoops Czar]

He was a freak. NBA had never seen anything like him, imo. Wilt would be the closest thing to him.

But when the other team is hitting 3's and you dump it into Shaq and he gets sent to the line for 1 or 0 points, it does not take long for your team to get buried. A smart coach like Pop would foul the hell out of him in a playoff series and Shaq would get swept.

Now I'm with you on this era being soft. It just is thanks to the soft culture and rule changes. If we are playing 90's style/rules then you have a case.

Hard fouls are flagrants in todays NBA. Shaq would have so many and 1's, he'd be feasting off of soft contact. You also can't foul away from the ball like you could in the past unless you want to see technicals and side outs. Don't you think if you could Poeltl would be living at the free throw line?

[Dirks_Finale]

Hard fouls are flagrants in todays NBA. Shaq would have so many and 1's, he'd be feasting off of soft contact. You also can't foul away from the ball like you could in the past unless you want to see technicals and side outs. Don't you think if you could Poeltl would be living at the free throw line?

Oh, Poeltl will be living at the line if the Spurs make the playoffs. Just wait and watch - I am looking forward to seeing it and then reading the comments here in the spur's forum afterwards..:lol

But it's a decent point about the hard fouls. This blurred line about flagrant or standard foul also existed back then. The refs figure out what you are doing strategy wise when you foul the guy every time he touches the ball and they begin to act accordingly, though, when contact is made..

[lefty]

Hard fouls are flagrants in todays NBA. Shaq would have so many and 1's, he'd be feasting off of soft contact. You also can't foul away from the ball like you could in the past unless you want to see technicals and side outs. Don't you think if you could Poeltl would be living at the free throw line?
Soft fouls were also flagrants in yesterday’s NBA

Revisionist history smh :lol

[ambchang]

Soft fouls on jordan were also flagrants in yesterday’s NBA

Revisionist history smh :lol

FIFY.

[Neo.]

Ignorance is bliss for sure...............Defense was actually played in the Real NBA. Todays matadore defenses? Patrick would avg. over 30pts per game. Not the other way around. You got knocked on your ass half the time trying an uncontested lane shot and you had to really try and score a bucket. Now players step to the side and let a nigga go right down the lane for a floater or layup. Todays step aside defenses vs the Real NBA. Please, :pimpslap

just saying something repeatedly and aggressively doesnt make it true, fwiw :lmao

provide some actual evidence to back your claims, other than a few highlight videos

theres plenty of full game analysis all over the place that gives clear explanations and examples of how exaggerated and uneducated your claims are

[Mark Celibate]

Orlando shaq would do well in today’s league. Nowhere close to as dominant as he was but would still be useful. Laker shaq would be killed on defense. Mike Bibby and Mighty Mouse got fat contracts after looking way better than they actually were because shaq wouldn’t guard the pick and roll.

He’d still be dominant offensively as those skills are transferable in any league but he’d be a huge liability on d.

yeah after looking at the stats, Bibby and Stoudamire actually were very similar players. Bibby never even made an all star team, but in hindsight he's viewed as way better than he actually was because of extremely favorable matchups in the playoffs. He had the luxury of abusing Steve Nash in three straight postseasons and then torched Derek Fisher and Shaq in 02 when they couldn't stop the pick and roll

As a Maverick fan watching him growing up, I thought he was a combination of Allen Iverson, John Stockton, and Christ himself....when in reality I was just watching him play Steve Nash every time :lol

[lebomb]

just saying something repeatedly and aggressively doesnt make it true, fwiw :lmao

provide some actual evidence to back your claims, other than a few highlight videos

theres plenty of full game analysis all over the place that gives clear explanations and examples of how exaggerated and uneducated your claims are

YouTube it. Look back at prime Shaq. Also to prove my point about Today’s ball. App State getting hammered by Norfolk St in the first half of NCAA right now. Why? Chuckin 3’s and they are 0-16. Passin up all kinds of good 2 pt shots for the 3.

[Neo.]

YouTube it. Look back at prime Shaq.

in an era that only allowed 1-on-1 defense, or blatant doubles that was only permissible if a man was left completely unguarded and unshaded

again, see 2004 finals


Also to prove my point about Today’s ball. App State getting hammered by Norfolk St in the first half of NCAA right now. Why? Chuckin 3’s and they are 0-16. Passin up all kinds of good 2 pt shots for the 3.

so your example is a game between two crappy teams that ended up going down to the wire and being a 1 point victory for norfolk st?

regardless, no one disagrees that chucking is a bad strategy. just that you and many others massively overstate how much chucking actually occurs. sometimes teams have a lot of wide open 3s, and they simply miss. just like there are nights when teams have a lot of wide open 2s, and simply miss. a one game example where a team went cold on their 3pt shooting isn't proof of anything. and lets not act like there were never games or teams in the past that were guilty of taking a lot of bad quality shots, in favor of quantity. the nuggets of the late 80s-early 90's were prime example of that, among others :lmao 108fga per game rofl no team in recent history has even come close to 100. in fact, only in the past 3-4 years teams have even cracked 90 fga/game, and only one year were there teams shooting 92 fga/game, while in the 80s pretty much annually multiple teams were shooting over 92 fga/game, and many of them shooting over 95. yet somehow its only the modern teams that "chuck" :lmao more revisionist history

[lebomb]

in an era that only allowed 1-on-1 defense, or blatant doubles that was only permissible if a man was left completely unguarded and unshaded

again, see 2004 finals



so your example is a game between two crappy teams that ended up going down to the wire and being a 1 point victory for norfolk st?

regardless, no one disagrees that chucking is a bad strategy. just that you and many others massively overstate how much chucking actually occurs. sometimes teams have a lot of wide open 3s, and they simply miss. just like there are nights when teams have a lot of wide open 2s, and simply miss. a one game example where a team went cold on their 3pt shooting isn't proof of anything. and lets not act like there were never games or teams in the past that were guilty of taking a lot of bad quality shots, in favor of quantity. the nuggets of the late 80s-early 90's were prime example of that, among others :lmao 108fga per game rofl no team in recent history has even come close to 100. in fact, only in the past 3-4 years teams have even cracked 90 fga/game, and only one year were there teams shooting 92 fga/game, while in the 80s pretty much annually multiple teams were shooting over 92 fga/game, and many of them shooting over 95. yet somehow its only the modern teams that "chuck" :lmao more revisionist history

The point is App St. passed up multiple opportunities to take a much easier 2pt shot, but instead chucked a 3pt shot much like Todays NBA. Result? They lost by 1. Why not take the much easier open 2pt shot instead of shooting 16% from the 3pt line. If you know you are shooting horrible from 3's, go back to a nice 2pt attempt. Dont just chuck 28 shots from the 3pt line when your whole team is shitting it up from out there.

The real NBA and real Basketball > Todays NBA = Todays Basketball

[Neo.]

The point is App St. passed up multiple opportunities to take a much easier 2pt shot, but instead chucked a 3pt shot much like Todays NBA. Result? They lost by 1. Why not take the much easier open 2pt shot instead of shooting 16% from the 3pt line. If you know you are shooting horrible from 3's, go back to a nice 2pt attempt. Dont just chuck 28 shots from the 3pt line when your whole team is shitting it up from out there.

The real NBA and real Basketball > Todays NBA = Todays Basketball

lol ok :tu

[lefty]

:lol Lebomb is trolling tbh

[lebomb]

:lol Lebomb is trolling tbh

Nope, Ive played basketball in HS and in college, 30 and over leagues as well. I have multiple acquaintances that played ball in HS and college that have the same view as lebomb. I realize its all a matter of opinion, but IMHO there is way too much chuckin, especially from 3pt that is going on today. Defense is really not defense anymore. Its run beside the opposing player and try not to brush against that niggra. :lmao

[Neo.]

Nope, Ive played basketball in HS and in college, 30 and over leagues as well. I have multiple acquaintances that played ball in HS and college that have the same view as lebomb. I realize its all a matter of opinion, but IMHO there is way too much chuckin, especially from 3pt that is going on today. Defense is really not defense anymore. Its run beside the opposing player and try not to brush against that niggra. :lmao

:rollin speaking in the 3rd person

true sign of faggotry

[Dirks_Finale]

Nope, Ive played basketball in HS and in college, 30 and over leagues as well. I have multiple acquaintances that played ball in HS and college that have the same view as lebomb. I realize its all a matter of opinion, but IMHO there is way too much chuckin, especially from 3pt that is going on today. Defense is really not defense anymore. Its run beside the opposing player and try not to brush against that niggra. :lmao

:lol

The Rock says this... :lol

[Spurtacular]

Nope, Ive played basketball in HS and in college, 30 and over leagues as well. I have multiple acquaintances that played ball in HS and college that have the same view as lebomb. I realize its all a matter of opinion, but IMHO there is way too much chuckin, especially from 3pt that is going on today. Defense is really not defense anymore. Its run beside the opposing player and try not to brush against that niggra. :lmao

Today's NBA fanboy not gonna be talked into the fact that the game has become a joke.
They'll just tell you how much more athletic players are and think that's the end of it.

[Dirks_Finale]

Rudy Gobert would dominate you :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05V6iTIHeRU

[lefty]

Today's NBA fanboy not gonna be talked into the fact that the game has become a joke.
They'll just tell you how much more athletic players are and think that's the end of it.

and yesterday NBA. will keep rehashing the same “argument” : muh physicality”

[Rummpd]

Best team basketball ever played was probably Spurs last championship taking out vaunted Heat with supreme ball movement, ala the beautiful game, and great defense and only some 3s.

[lefty]

Best team basketball ever played was probably Spurs last championship taking out vaunted Heat with supreme ball movement, ala the beautiful game, and great defense and only some 3s.

The Warriors also had beautiful ball movement

[Hoops Czar]

The Warriors also had beautiful ball movement
Steve Kerr is a copycat head coach.

[lefty]

Steve Kerr is a copycat head coach.
For sure for sure

[lebomb]

Best team basketball ever played was probably Spurs last championship taking out vaunted Heat with supreme ball movement, ala the beautiful game, and great defense and only some 3s.


The Warriors also had beautiful ball movement


Steve Kerr is a copycat head coach.


For sure for sure

I totally agree with all of this, and this continues to validate my point. Great ball movement with good shooters and selective 3pt shots wins. Not every team is the 2014 Spurs and GSW in terms of passing and shooting ability. So teams chuckin 3's all game long praying you can outscore the other team is not very good basketball.

[Neo.]

I totally agree with all of this, and this continues to validate my point. Great ball movement with good shooters and selective 3pt shots wins. Not every team is the 2014 Spurs and GSW in terms of passing and shooting ability. So teams chuckin 3's all game long praying you can outscore the other team is not very good basketball.

literally every champion ever does that

yet your revisionist history has you thinking that every team in the league in the 80s-90s played championship basketball, when that's simply not true. only a few did and the rest tried weird gimmicks or simply played whatever the popular style was for that time.

[lefty]

Exactly

In the 90s a couple of teams tried to implement the triangle offense, including Jim Cleamons (who worked with Phil and Tex) when he was the head coach of some team

It just didn't work because they didn't havethe right personnel

Not everybody could play like the 90s Rockets or the 80s Lakers

So yes every era ha the team with theur own signature title style and gave birth to mediocre copycats

[lebomb]

Exactly

In the 90s a couple of teams tried to implement the triangle offense, including Jim Cleamons (who worked with Phil and Tex) when he was the head coach of some team

It just didn't work because they didn't havethe right personnel

Not everybody could play like the 90s Rockets or the 80s Lakers

So yes every era ha the team with theur own signature title style and gave birth to mediocre copycats

True, but the entire NBA is trying to copycat the GSW with their 3pt chuckin. It worked for them because they are superb shooters from the 3.

[Neo.]

True, but the entire NBA is trying to copycat the GSW with their 3pt chuckin. It worked for them because they are superb shooters from the 3.

just like the triangle worked for the bulls because they had the right players

and bullyball worked for detroit because they actually had skilled scorers to carry the offense

and fastbreaking worked for the lakers because they had magic and athletes to run and finish

and there were always a bunch of unsuccessful copycats that were sloppy and/or painful to watch. its always been the same, the only thing that has changed are the schemes.

[lefty]

True, but the entire NBA is trying to copycat the GSW with their 3pt chuckin. It worked for them because they are superb shooters from the 3.
Oh I'm not denying that and I agree, it sucks when teams try to imitate the best teams , instead of developing their own identity

I'm just saying it happens in every era

[Rummpd]

The Warriors also had beautiful ball movement

Truth to that

[lebomb]

Bumped for Millennial_Messiah disgust with Todays NBA.

[Spurtacular]

Some good stuff in this though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzkEULBdXvU

[Spurtacular]

17 techs for suspension. Another gay rule.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez2pAdhpLUc&ab_channel=MLGHighlights

[Spurtacular]

Rudy Gobert would dominate you :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05V6iTIHeRU

:lol Barkley telling Shaq he wouldn't even be in the league today.

[lefty]

:lol Barkley telling Shaq he wouldn't even be in the league today.

:lol

[Dirks_Finale]

:lol Barkley telling Shaq he wouldn't even be in the league today.

And Shaq is so damn sensitive :lol

[lefty]

And Shaq is so damn sensitive :lol

And he always brings up his ringz when he’s challenged

“You’re wrong, I carried Kobe to 3 titles so I’m right”

[ambchang]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/pacers-suspend-assistant-coach-greg-foster-fine-goga-bitadze-following-heated-verbal-altercation-per-report/

Player didn’t play defense, got chewed out by coach, player makes three pointer, tells coach to sit the fuck down, coach gets pissed, coach suspended but player only fined.

:lol today’s nba.

[lefty]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/pacers-suspend-assistant-coach-greg-foster-fine-goga-bitadze-following-heated-verbal-altercation-per-report/

Player didn’t play defense, got chewed out by coach, player makes three pointer, tells coach to sit the fuck down, coach gets pissed, coach suspended but player only fined.

:lol today’s nba.

So they learned from Jordan and Magic how to be little dictators

Bug deal

[ambchang]

So they learned from Jordan and Magic how to be little dictators

Bug deal

Difference being this guy is a nobody.

[lefty]

Difference being this guy is a nobody.
True true

[FrostKing]

Troubling. Down 21, someone should be getting chewed out.

[ambchang]

:lol RJ Barrett can improve his 3p% in less than a year but we were all supposed to think that people from :wow yesterday’s nba can’t do it because they were some old trilobite that are just so unathletic to throw up threes from 24 feet away like people at the Y can :lmao

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31399688/what-scouts-execs-coaches-saying-rj-barrett-year-2-leap

[lefty]

RJ Barrett is superior to any player from the 80s 90, which means he learns faster than those dudes

:lol the NBA had to shorten the 3 pt line in the 90s so Jordan could have a not too shitty 3pt %
:lol and then it went back to shit as soon as the they got back to the regular 3 pt line
:lol pathetic

[ambchang]

RJ Barrett is superior to any player from the 80s 90, which means he learns faster than those dudes

:lol the NBA had to shorten the 3 pt line in the 90s so Jordan could have a not too shitty 3pt %
:lol and then it went back to shit as soon as the they got back to the regular 3 pt line
:lol pathetic

Agreed on the last three.

:lmao :rofl on the first though.

[140]

lefty not even trying anymore :lol

[lefty]

lefty not even trying anymore :lol

Why would I even try when I know I’m right tbh

[lebomb]

Luka stated the NBA is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY easier to score points in than the European league.

Watered down, no defense, chuckin 3's league now. Anyone can grab points in Todays NBA :rolleyes

[lefty]

Luka stated the NBA is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY easier to score points in than the European league.

Watered down, no defense, chuckin 3's league now. Anyone can grab points in Todays NBA :rolleyes

Euro leagues > today’s NBA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday’s NBA

[ambchang]

That’s it. I’m watching the euro leagues.

[lebomb]

Euro leagues > today’s NBA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday’s NBA


The real NBA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Euro leagues >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Todays NBA (extremely watered down REAL NBA)


FIFY :toast

[lefty]

50s NBA was better than 90s NBA

50s NBA = soft pussified, watered down league

They didn't have a 3 pt line in the 50s, :lol at the soft 3 pt chucking in the 90s, boring AF

50s players were REAL MEN, drove themselves to other cities for road games, didn't complain to the commish because they couldn't beat sa team that was too physical for them and asked him to change the rules (LMAO Jordan was such a pussy :lol)

[lebomb]

50s NBA was better than 90s NBA

50s NBA = soft pussified, watered down league

They didn't have a 3 pt line in the 50s, :lol at the soft 3 pt chucking in the 90s, boring AF

50s players were REAL MEN, drove themselves to other cities for road games, didn't complain to the commish because they couldn't beat sa team that was too physical for them and asked him to change the rules (LMAO Jordan was such a pussy :lol)

That pussy would avg. 45pts a game and would lead the league in scoring for the next 12yrs in Todays NBA. :toast

MJ got beat up trying to score, real defense. This matador shit in Todays NBA :rollin :lmao

[lefty]

:lol This is what Jordan would average if he played today :

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/derozde01.html

[Neo.]

That pussy would avg. 45pts a game and would lead the league in scoring for the next 12yrs in Todays NBA. :toast

MJ got beat up trying to score, real defense. This matador shit in Todays NBA :rollin :lmao

lebron would average 100 ppg from 1980-1998 because he would outweigh all his defenders by 80lbs and an 8+ inch height advantage and would literally jump over those soft white centers every team was littered with and would break bill laimbeer in half from him trying to get physical with a guy driving the ball at 40mph that outweighs him

curry would average 120 because no one defended the perimeter

mikan would average 200 ppg because he came from an era of real men compared to the 80s and 90s fake unskilled tough guys

[lefty]

lebron would average 100 ppg from 1980-1998 because he would outweigh all his defenders by 80lbs and an 8+ inch height advantage and would literally jump over those soft white centers every team was littered with and would break bill laimbeer in half from him trying to get physical with a guy driving the ball at 40mph that outweighs him

curry would average 120 because no one defended the perimeter

mikan would average 200 ppg because he came from an era of real men compared to the 80s and 90s fake unskilled tough guys
Not to mention there was no zone D in that shit era

[i'm_still_beta]

That pussy would avg. 45pts a game and would lead the league in scoring for the next 12yrs in Todays NBA. :toast

MJ got beat up trying to score, real defense. This matador shit in Todays NBA :rollin :lmao

Fun Fact: Kevin Hart did better than Michael Jordan at the 3-point shot contest

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