Is Harden playing this weekend?

[gospursgojas]

Also, is he still going to scrip clubs without a mask? I don’t want that fat fuck giving the spurs covid.

[lefty]

Damn it’s one thing to like fat women, but you guysare also into fat men?

[John B]

Also, is he still going to scrip clubs without a mask? I don’t want that fat fuck giving the spurs covid.
Houston should fine and suspend him for his antics. I don't know what Houston is waiting for to dump the guy. Clearly he stated he doesn't like to stay and there's NO fixing it.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/ChrisSpisak/status/1349404871389286400?s=19

[NASpurs]

https://twitter.com/ChrisSpisak/status/1349404871389286400?s=19

https://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/james-harden-gut.jpg

[baseline bum]

From downstairs :lmao

1349160406816673794

[KobesAchilles]

Spurs better open up the whataburger at the atnt center. Dude be looking hungry

[baseline bum]

Spurs better open up the whataburger at the atnt center. Dude be looking hungry

Nigga look like Jimmy the fat 45 year-old bus driver.

[baseline bum]

https://twitter.com/ChrisSpisak/status/1349404871389286400?s=19

Speaking of quitting

1349413623467270144

[Robz4000]

I hope Harden plays tomorrow night. Him and Wall might fight on the court tbh.

[Mugen]

The dgaf / trade me version of Harden is great.....

He's absolutely fat AF but he did put up like 40pts 15asts a week ago, props to his fat ass tbh :lol

[cool cat]

He has almost completed the full transition into Antoine Walker.

[SpurSpike]

Harden is such a piece of shit. He has a decent team that he won't even give a real chance. Just look at that pass above, that's being a childish asshole to your own team mates. That city has given him everything just for him to bail out.

[mo7888]

So they are holding Harden out pending a trade.

[Seventyniner]

He has almost completed the full transition into Antoine Walker.

:lol

Harden would ascend to a whole new level of chuckery if there was a 4-point line.

[Dejounte]

So they are holding Harden out pending a trade.


Perfect timing for us but it could fire up the other Rockets players to play harder.

[Robz4000]

Looks like Harden is gonna be traded today. Spurs are gonna end up losing both games to Houston now, aren't they?

[Sugus]

Speaking of quitting

1349413623467270144

LMFAO :lmao :lmao :lmao

Well, the Rockettes FO did say they were "willing to get uncomfortable"...... It's looking like they didn't take Harden seriously enough, and now pay the price for it :lol

[mo7888]

Perfect timing for us but it could fire up the other Rockets players to play harder.

That's the danger...we have to avoid the temptation to relax and focus even more imo

[Robz4000]

Perfect timing for us but it could fire up the other Rockets players to play harder.

Tomorrow night they'll play inspired ball to beat SA, then on Saturday they'll have Ben Simmons/all the Nyets young talent and steamroll the Spurs.

[Dejounte]

That's the danger...we have to avoid the temptation to relax and focus even more imo

Yeah. I guess what gives me optimism is that outside of Wall, Wood, Tate they're not very talented.

[mo7888]

Slightly OT but, I have to wonder if this trade goes down if the trade market as a whole will pick-up with Harden being off the table. I mean of you struck out on this is there a better candidate to go after (thats available) than DDR?

[Dejounte]

Morey is the ultimate double-crossing rat / Littlefinger if he pulls this off.

[mo7888]

Yeah. I guess what gives me optimism is that outside of Wall, Wood, Tate they're not very talented.

That and the fact that our kids are starting to figure things out... I'm honestly excited for our team right now...moreso than I have been since two seconds before Pachulia stepped under nephews jumpshot.

[Sugus]

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1349433126410362880?s=21

https://twitter.com/thesteinline/status/1349438067296366592?s=21

Damn, it really might be going down today :wow

[Sugus]

That and the fact that our kids are starting to figure things out... I'm honestly excited for our team right now...moreso than I have been since two seconds before Pachulia stepped under nephews jumpshot.

Agreed. DeMar probably misses next game - and a hot-streaking Lonnie gets to face his breakout opposing team, that'll be in disarray and hasn't been good defensively? We should make a prediction thread for the amount of points he'll score, tbh. My guess is 28

[mo7888]

Agreed. DeMar probably misses next game - and a hot-streaking Lonnie gets to face his breakout opposing team, that'll be in disarray and hasn't been good defensively? We should make a prediction thread for the amount of points he'll score, tbh. My guess is 28

I'll take the over

[John B]

Rockets plan to keep James Harden away from the team until they can complete a trade involving him - Woj, Ramon Shelburne

[NASpurs]

Let's see what the Rockets get for Harden and you know we're going to compare it to what we got for Kawhi. :lol

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1349433126410362880?s=21

https://twitter.com/thesteinline/status/1349438067296366592?s=21

Damn, it really might be going down today :wow

Maxey was the 21st pick in the draft. They really polished that asset up really nice for other teams to desire him. Morey did that before with Donte Green scoring 44 points in summer league, consequently trading him for Harden. The guy is ruthless as a general manager.

[exstatic]

He has almost completed the full transition into Antoine Walker.

He has to lose all of his money to complete the transformation.

[tonight...you]

Damn, Boogie going in on Harden.

[timvp]

lol rockets

The second best thing to the Spurs winning a championship is the Rockets not winning a championship, tbh.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/YahooSports/status/1349446663870554119

https://twitter.com/Chron_MattYoung/status/1349445064725049346

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

OKC will feel pretty good about that incoming Rockets pick. What a terrible trade that was and everyone knew it at the moment it was announced.

[John B]

https://twitter.com/YahooSports/status/1349446663870554119

https://twitter.com/Chron_MattYoung/status/1349445064725049346
Wow I didn't expect players can comment like that instead of just letting the trade happen. There must be real "disrespect" of players towards Harden

[Sugus]

Maxey was the 21st pick in the draft. They really polished that asset up really nice for other teams to desire him. Morey did that before with Donte Green scoring 44 points in summer league, consequently trading him for Harden. The guy is ruthless as a general manager.

Just wait for the Sixers to ring with a motivated Harden & Embiid so posters can say Morey lucked into Harden wanting out :lol

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

LOL Morey

[John B]

The Nets are trading for All-NBA star James Harden and sending four first-round picks and four draft swaps to the Rockets, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA)
@Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium)
. Caris LeVert, Jarrett Allen are being moved -- could be another team or two involved.

[John B]

Can Spurs facilitate and get Jarrett Allen??

[John B]

The Indiana Pacers are moving Victor Oladipo to the Rockets for package around Caris LeVert, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA)
@Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium)
.

[John B]

Wall, Oladipo, wow Rockets just got better :pctoss

[Robz4000]

Oladipo and Wall are an awful fit.

[Jsmythe]

Harden was just traded to the Nets:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30706097/sources-houston-rockets-trade-james-harden-brooklyn-nets

(Oops looks like this is old news already)

[YoungbuckMurray]

Man would have loved to be the 3rd team to get Allen

[Darius Bieber]

Looks like Wall was ruled out for tomorrow's game as well.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Man would have loved to be the 3rd team to get Allen

Meh. Cavs traded a first round pick and took on Prince’s terrible contract for the chance to overpay Allen in the summer. The way the Spurs draft and develop I wouldn’t want them to trade any picks unless it’s for a star.

[John B]

Rockets are acquiring Caris LeVert in James Harden deal from Brooklyn and sending LeVert to Indiana to acquire two-time All-Star Victor Oladipo -- in addition to the four first-round picks and four draft pick swaps, sources said.

[spurspl]

nets: harden
rockets: oladipo, 4 1sts, 4 swaps, exum, kurucs
cavs: allen, prince
pacers: levert

probably sth like this

[Mr. Body]

I like Oladipo a lot. Sad to see him leave the Pacers. I don't think LaVert is any better than him and Dipo went to college nearby.

[Mr. Body]

And this dumb fucking league with its moronic superteams.

[Robz4000]

:lol that Durant/Harden/Kyrie team is gonna implode real quick. Hell, Irving might not even play basketball again.

[Dejounte]

Oladipo is a borderline B level star. Rockets aren't scary.

[spurspl]

it will be fun to watch all dramas in brooklyn

btw pacers won this trade imo

[daslicer]

And this dumb fucking league with its moronic superteams.

Nets lost a ton of depth in this trade. They have also lost Spencer Dinwiddie to an ACL tear for the rest of the year. They are going to win a lot of games with their 3 star players but I don’t think they have enough depth to win it all.

[Dejounte]

Nets lost a ton of depth in this trade. They have also lost Spencer Dinwiddie to an ACL tear for the rest of the year. They are going to win a lot of games with their 3 star players but I don’t think they have enough depth to win it all.

Same thing is said every time a superstar team is formed. They'll be fine. 3 mega stars will elevate any scrub they have on their team.

[NASpurs]

There has to be some fucking conspiracy to all of this. Why does it seem like every time there's a televised game, we play the team in the trade? You can't tell me this shit is coincedental.

Gee, we didn't get one game all year long televised but things "magically" happened and miraculously we got this one.

[John B]

On the lighter note, Trump just got impeached, again, making him the 1st POTUS to have ever impeached twice :lol

[Robz4000]

Same thing is said every time a superstar team is formed. They'll be fine. 3 mega stars will elevate any scrub they have on their team.

:lol "mega stars"

Dominos is coming off an Achilles tear, Harden is fat and ref-reliant, and Kyrie is a headcase that may never play basketball again. All they are are names at this point (albeit Dominos looks good so far).

[John B]

Same thing is said every time a superstar team is formed. They'll be fine. 3 mega stars will elevate any scrub they have on their team.
Not just elevate but players jumping the bandwagon

[TrueSpursFan]

On the lighter note, Trump just got impeached, again, making him the 1st POTUS to have ever impeached twice :lol
2 impeachments, 1 term president

[baseline bum]

The second best thing to the Spurs winning a championship is the Clippers not winning a championship, tbh.

fify

[timvp]

Oladipo hasn't looked the same since his quad exploded. I probably would rather have LeVert, tbh.

[Robz4000]

Oladipo hasn't looked the same since his quad exploded. I probably would rather have LeVert, tbh.

Same

[baseline bum]

There has to be some fucking conspiracy to all of this. Why does it seem like every time there's a televised game, we play the team in the trade? You can't tell me this shit is coincedental.

Gee, we didn't get one game all year long televised but things "magically" happened and miraculously we got this one.

Probably lose it again so TNT can show reruns of Two and a Half Men or maybe run Christmas Story one more time.

[NASpurs]

Oladipo hasn't looked the same since his quad exploded. I probably would rather have LeVert, tbh.

Is there a star player on the Rockets that *insert body part* hasn't exploded?

[daslicer]

Same thing is said every time a superstar team is formed. They'll be fine. 3 mega stars will elevate any scrub they have on their team.

Miami didn’t win it their first year granted Lebron choked but I felt they were a little short of depth which caused them to lose. Warriors had a ton of depth that’s why they easily won it all in their first year. The Rockets super team of Hakeem-Barkley-Drexler failed in ‘97. Celtics won it all in their first year together in ‘08 but they had a ton of depth which helped. The Nets trio can win a ton of games and even be number 1 in the conference but I just believe their lack of depth will be their undoing in the playoffs.

[baseline bum]

Oladipo hasn't looked the same since his quad exploded. I probably would rather have LeVert, tbh.

Plus he's a whiner

[KobesAchilles]

I wanna see Kyrie vs Harden so bad. Poor Durant. He's gonna have to pick a side and like the Beta he is, it'll probably be Kyrie's :lol

[tonski117]

They should trade irving for westbrook:blah

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Is Kyrie even going to play? What a weird situation.

[Dejounte]

:lol "mega stars"

Dominos is coming off an Achilles tear, Harden is fat and ref-reliant, and Kyrie is a headcase that may never play basketball again. All they are are names at this point (albeit Dominos looks good so far).

Meh, I think Harden's issues were intentional sabotage. Watch him get into shape in about a month.

[timvp]

Is there a star player on the Rockets that *insert body part* hasn't exploded?

:lol Good point.

Oladipo (exploded quad), Wall (exploded achilles), Cousins (exploded achilles and ACL, right?), Nwaba (exploded achilles), House (exploded with the hired help in the bubble), Gordon (knee exploded a couple times) ... forgot who else is on that scrub, tbh :lol

[NASpurs]

Is Cuomo going to shut down NY with Harden in town? The guy is a walking spreader probably patient zero.

[baseline bum]

They should trade irving for westbrook:blah

:lol

[mo7888]

Oladipo hasn't looked the same since his quad exploded. I probably would rather have LeVert, tbh.

Houston wanted him because he's an expiring contract that can play some this year...

[Robz4000]

Meh, I think Harden's issues were intentional sabotage. Watch him get into shape in about a month.


Doesn't change the ref reliance tbh. He's also been low-key fat for a few years now, just not whale-sized.

[Sugus]

I'm suddenly really hype for the Rockettes games, tbh. We'll be the first team to taste the aftermath of the Harden trade. Will make for interesting games regardless of outcome, tbh, but we'd better get those 2 Ws

[Mugen]

:lol Good point.

Oladipo (exploded quad), Wall (exploded achilles), Cousins (exploded achilles and ACL, right?), Nwaba (exploded achilles), House (exploded with the hired help in the bubble), Gordon (knee exploded a couple times) ... forgot who else is on that scrub, tbh :lol


Is Cuomo going to shut down NY with Harden in town? The guy is a walking spreader probably patient zero.

:lol

[temujin]

In this circus, I wonder whether there is a correlation between L/W -or any other measurement of success- and the number of "trades" these -irrelevant- teams do.

[TD 21]

Starters: Durant, Harris, Jordan, Harden, Irving

Bench: Green, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Shamet, Brown

Deep bench: Johnson, Claxton, Chiozza (2 way), Perry (2 way), Dinwiddie (out for season)


Starters: Love, Okoro, Drummond, Sexton, Garland

Bench: Allen, Nance Jr., Osman, Porter Jr., Windler, Prince, Dotson

Deep bench: Dellavedova, McGee, Wade, Stephens (2 way), Bolden (2 way)


Starters: Tucker, House, Wood, Oladipo, Wall

Bench: Gordon, Cousins, Exum, McLemore, Tate, Brown, Nwaba

Deep bench: Kurucs, Caboclo, Martin Jr., Jones (2 way), Thomas (2 way), Clemons (out for season)


Starters: Sabonis, Warren, Turner, LeVert, Brogdon

Bench: Lamb, J. Holiday, McDermott, A. Holiday, McConnell

Deep bench: Bitadze, Sampson, Sumner, Martin, Lecque, Stanley (2 way), Bowen (2 way)


Nets depth, defense and rebounding definitely got worse and chemistry probably did too. The firepower is historic though (two elite first options, a second tier first option, plus tons of shooting). If/when it fails and provided they have Durant's blessing, they probably look to trade Irving for depth within' 18 months.

Drummond is obviously on the outs. Allen is an upgrade and the cost was relatively low.

Obviously TBD, pending what becomes of the picks and Oladipo (health, whether he's rerouted, re-signed or walks), but despite all the draft capital, they failed to land a young centerpiece. They should trade Tucker now.

A blah replacement for a franchise perpetually stuck in the upper tier of that space, but also a sensible, cost controlled, younger option in LeVert.

[szkorhetz]

I'm suddenly really hype for the Rockettes games, tbh. We'll be the first team to taste the aftermath of the Harden trade. Will make for interesting games regardless of outcome, tbh, but we'd better get those 2 Ws
If we don't sweep them, blow it up, TBH.

I know they will play with a chip on their shoulder, and this give other players the opportunity to show up, but still....

On the side note: I clearly believe the Spurs could have assemble a better packer for Harden than what they got, if they wanted to.

[Mugen]

Kyrie/Harden/Durant - In NY

https://media3.giphy.com/media/128UMaujdjX7Pi/200.gif

[Dejounte]

https://www.humorlabs.com/LTSavings.jpg

[Sugus]

If we don't sweep them, blow it up, TBH.

I know they will play with a chip on their shoulder, and this give other players the opportunity to show up, but still....

On the side note: I clearly believe the Spurs could have assemble a better packer for Harden than what they got, if they wanted to.

Nah, never underestimate a team with an attitude that's dropped a locker room cancer that was weighting them down. They'll come at us going 120% just to spite Harden and show him "what he's missing". I'd obviously love for the Spurs to win both games, but overreacting to a loss given this context wouldn't be wise (though that's never stopped ST of course).

On that sidenote, I don't think the Spurs will ever pull the trigger on a package that would send out that many of their picks, tbh, nor pick swaps. We're probably one of the teams in the league that values picks the most, wherever they might be, even second rounders are truly valuable to the Spurs FO. The most we'd do is a trade with some of our current players, none of which are at a level worthy of a Harden trade package (yet).

[timtonymanu]

:lol these divas and leaving teams left and right. All of them are faggots. Durant, Nephew, Irving, Harden. Hope all these MFers end up broke.

[LurkingSpursFan]

If Boston loses to the Nets in the reg seasons, I could see them trading for DDR with their trade exception and picks. I would even see Knicks, Heat interested to keep up with the Joneses.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

DDR, Lonnie going to a 3rd team for a pick that goes to Houston, 2022, 2024, 2026 and swaps in 2021, 2023, 2025, 2027 - all unprotected. Who’d have done it?

[Sugus]

DDR, Lonnie going to a 3rd team for a pick that goes to Houston, 2022, 2024, 2026 and swaps in 2021, 2023, 2025, 2027 - all unprotected. Who’d have done it?

:vomit:

[Robz4000]

DDR, Lonnie going to a 3rd team for a pick that goes to Houston, 2022, 2024, 2026 and swaps in 2021, 2023, 2025, 2027 - all unprotected. Who’d have done it?


:lmao

[Gibbz]

That Pacers starting 5 is sexy

[Mr. Body]

https://www.humorlabs.com/LTSavings.jpg

Fucking dumbass Trumper owner. Everything Trump touches dies.

[r0drig0lac]

:lol that Durant/Harden/Kyrie team is gonna implode real quick. Hell, Irving might not even play basketball again.

nah, if focused, they will be unstoppable

[MoSpur02]

So the Cavs have Drummond, Allen, McGee, Nance JR, Love, and...am I missing another PF/C?

[tonight...you]

nah, if focused, they will be unstoppable
Kyrie is almost never focused anymore.
This is now a team of extremisms and a coach who has no idea what he's doing because he's never done this before with some massive talents attached to massive, sensitive egos who hold all the power.

[Mr. Body]

nah, if focused, they will be unstoppable

There's like a <1% they're ever focused.

[r0drig0lac]

Kyrie is almost never focused anymore.
This is now a team of extremisms and a coach who has no idea what he's doing because he's never done this before with some massive talents attached to massive, sensitive egos who hold all the power.


There's like a <1% they're ever focused.

I don't even disagree (and I see this an interesting experiment, and obviously, Durant forming another superteam), but the potential is huge.

[tonight...you]

I don't even disagree (and I see this an interesting experiment, and obviously, Durant forming another superteam), but the potential is huge.
True. In both directions.

[Robz4000]

nah, if focused, they will be unstoppable

They'll give up as many points as they score tbh. Nyets traded away every single player that could defend.

[tonight...you]

Leave it to Durant to try to form his own superteam and it turns into basically a representation of himself.
Beta, sensitive and mere steps away from implosion, but supremely talented.

[Mr. Body]

I don't even disagree (and I see this an interesting experiment, and obviously, Durant forming another superteam), but the potential is huge.

Someone posted that Harden, Durant, and Irving are each in the top 20 in usage rate in NBA history! I don't see how Harden and Irving will stay happy. Durant is a little bitch, but he'll start complaining behind the scenes as well.

[tonight...you]

Someone posted that Harden, Durant, and Irving are each in the top 20 in usage rate in NBA history! I don't see how Harden and Irving will stay happy. Durant is a little bitch, but he'll start complaining behind the scenes as well.
If Marks was smart, he'd trade Irving for the best deal he can get right now.

[Mr. Body]

If Marks was smart, he'd trade Irving for the best deal he can get right now.

I don't know who want Mr. Disappear Suddenly For No Reason.

[tonight...you]

I don't know who want Mr. Disappear Suddenly For No Reason.
Me neither. I wouldn't care and sell low, if I had to. Just some defensive role players that can at least shoot would be good for the team.
Kyrie is not good for that team at this moment.

Just IMO.

[exstatic]

Same thing is said every time a superstar team is formed. They'll be fine. 3 mega stars will elevate any scrub they have on their team.

I don’t think there’s ever been quite this much drama on a super team. Each of the three is elite class emo.

[tonight...you]

I don’t think there’s ever been quite this much drama on a super team. Each of the three is elite class emo.
Off topic: You excited to see the new Dune film?
I always wanted Jodorowski's version to be given a shot.

[TD 21]

Harden obviously deserves all of the criticism he's received, but it's funny that some of the same talking heads who are disgusted with him weren't with Scumbag doing some of the same things and worse.

All the stuff these divas are pulling since then can be traced back to him showing them the blueprint. Which is, if you reach a certain status in this league, you can not only practically do anything you want, but be rewarded for it. Butler, Davis, Irving, Harden, etc., are all just taking it to its logical conclusion.

[rastaspur]

Having 3 of the seven guys in the nba to have a usage rate of 29% or more on the same team should be interesting.

I bet kyrie is pissed.

If that holds the other 12 players are going to share that 10%. Sucks for those guys.

[daslicer]

Harden obviously deserves all of the criticism he's received, but it's funny that some of the same talking heads who are disgusted with him weren't with Scumbag doing some of the same things and worse.

All the stuff these divas are pulling since then can be traced back to him showing them the blueprint. Which is, if you reach a certain status in this league, you can not only practically do anything you want, but be rewarded for it. Butler, Davis, Irving, Harden, etc., are all just taking it to its logical conclusion.

Kawhi got away with it because they all wanted him to be a Laker badly. They started to turn on Kawhi once he spurned the Lakers.

[cjw]

I’d still take the Lakers over this drama superteam. Tucker was an important part of the trade though.

We’ll also see what the haul ends up being. The ‘22 firsts from Brooklyn and Milwaukee are likely in the late 20s. Three off seasons pass between now and when the ‘24 comes into play, so could be more valuable if the Nets guys decline. ‘26 will likely be valuable.

The swaps are ‘21, ‘23, ‘25 and ‘27. ‘21 almost certainly is meaningless, as Detroit or OKC will be worse than the Nets (not sure which is swapped). Those later swaps can become more valuable assuming Houston builds something.

[exstatic]

Off topic: You excited to see the new Dune film?
I always wanted Jodorowski's version to be given a shot.

I’ll check it out.

[tonight...you]

I’ll check it out.
I expected no less.
Right on.

[exstatic]

Trade winner: OKC. Those pick swaps sent by Houston in the CP3 trade a couple of years ago that looked worthless might not be now. OKC looks at least decent, and HOU will likely crash and burn.

[Dejounte]

I wonder if it's in the Rockets' best interest to tank this year. Their pick is top 4 protected, so it's a huge risk that they could get fucked over. If they end up being a top 3 worst team but a couple teams jump them in the draft lottery, I will laugh my ass off.

[TD 21]

Kawhi got away with it because they all wanted him to be a Laker badly. They started to turn on Kawhi once he spurned the Lakers.

He finally received some backlash for the Clippers meltdown, but even then legion of defenders came to his rescue and decided it was virtually everyone else's fault but his own.

[Dejounte]

The Bucks trio is blowing the league wide open. I think I'd take them over the Nets coming out of the East. That Bucks trio meshes together so well.

[GreekSpursfan]

The Bucks trio is blowing the league wide open. I think I'd take them over the Nets coming out of the East. That Bucks trio meshes together so well.

I'm from Greece but i'm not a homer, Giannis still has the same limitations he had last year. He hasn't improved on his FTs, his post game, i need to see more from him to believe and i dont believe in Bud the playoff coach and i'm talking in game adjustments, slow reactions getting time outs, defensive approach. Their bench is pretty trash too. If Kyrie's head is right(big if) i have the Nets easily coming out of the East. Nets gonna make some more moves i think.

[KingKev]

I’d still take the Lakers over this drama superteam. Tucker was an important part of the trade.

Tucker wasn’t involved?

[Robz4000]

I'm from Greece but i'm not a homer, Giannis still has the same limitations he had last year. He hasn't improved on his FTs, his post game, i need to see more from him to believe and i dont believe in Bud the playoff coach and i'm talking in game adjustments, slow reactions getting time outs, defensive approach. Their bench is pretty trash too. If Kyrie's head is right(big if) i have the Nets easily coming out of the East. Nets gonna make some more moves i think.

If they don't add more defensive pieces I don't see them even getting out of the second round. The Heat, Sixers, Celtics, and Bucks will give them problems.

[XDT76]

If Harden cannot survive with another dominant ball handling player the last 2 yrs, how would he be happy with 2 ball dominant players

[tapiefan]

If Harden cannot survive with another dominant ball handling player the last 2 yrs, how would he be happy with 2 ball dominant players

Maybe he can survive if he starts to understand he is not the first option anymore. IMO, the Nets are the perfect fit for Harden. He's known as an all time choker especially in playoff clutch time, and I'm pretty sure the ball will be in Durant or Irving hands in money time. Harden can carry the team the first 3 quarters, and let the two other rested guys to lead the Nets to victory when it really counts.

[exstatic]

If Harden cannot survive with another dominant ball handling player the last 2 yrs, how would he be happy with 2 ball dominant players

He won’t take the blame this time. With both CP3 and Westchuck, they were added to HIS team, and he still got the blame when they lost.

I still think it’s a bad mix, though. Way too many drama queens in that locker room.

[Dex]

We just have to hope that Durant, Kyrie, and Harden kill each other which doesn't seem like much of a stretch.

[RC_Drunkford]

We just have to hope that Durant, Kyrie, and Harden kill each other which doesn't seem like much of a stretch.

why? They play in the East and we ain't going to the finals anytime soon. We can give 2 fucks about what the Nets are doing. He's out of the conference, which is a good thing for us

[Dex]

why? They play in the East and we ain't going to the finals anytime soon. We can give 2 fucks about what the Nets are doing. He's out of the conference, which is a good thing for us

Honestly, I just don't want to see James Harden ever get a ring.

Durant already snaked his way into a couple and Kryie rode Lebron's coattails to another...but Harden is probably my least-liked player in the NBA and I'd prefer he ends up ringless when all is said and done.

[$pursDynasty]

Kyrie/Harden/Durant - In NY

https://media3.giphy.com/media/128UMaujdjX7Pi/200.gif

This, they better hire a whole team of sports psychologists for this dumpster fire. I was thinking Dwight but the Howard/Harden experiment has already failed. Who knows maybe this will go soooo bad KD will consider coming to SA for a team with a media cone of silence around it, in his home state of Texas.

[$pursDynasty]

Mr Burner Account, the Bearded Strip Club All Star and the Flat Earther, what could go wrong here? At least they won't have to worry about these ultra sensitive types rubbing off on their younger players because, now they have given all their younger players away.

[GreekSpursfan]

If they don't add more defensive pieces I don't see them even getting out of the second round. The Heat, Sixers, Celtics, and Bucks will give them problems.

I think they will make moves for sure.

[Chinook]

So what would folks be willing to give up for Ben Simmons?

On paper, he's basically exactly what the young core of the Spurs need. He'd fit in great with guys like Walker, Johnson, Vassell and White. His fit with Murray is awkward but workable. His fit with Poeltl would be dicier, but they have the IQs to make it work. Obviously, any legit offer for Simmons would require that multiple players from that group, along with some of the vets and maybe quite a few picks are moved. But it could certainly speed up the rebuild... or I guess it could also backfire pretty badly if Simmons never improves or matures and the team trades away too many future pieces/takes back too much bad money. Still, depending on who the Spurs would be able to keep for the post-trade roster, it could wind up being worth the risk.

[mo7888]

So what would folks be willing to give up for Ben Simmons?

On paper, he's basically exactly what the young core of the Spurs need. He'd fit in great with guys like Walker, Johnson, Vassell and White. His fit with Murray is awkward but workable. His fit with Poeltl would be dicier, but they have the IQs to make it work. Obviously, any legit offer for Simmons would require that multiple players from that group, along with some of the vets and maybe quite a few picks are moved. But it could certainly speed up the rebuild... or I guess it could also backfire pretty badly if Simmons never improves or matures and the team trades away too many future pieces/takes back too much bad money. Still, depending on who the Spurs would be able to keep for the post-trade roster, it could wind up being worth the risk.

I've been trying to figure out what player we could get that could guard 4's and Simmons does fit the bill. I do think he's risky though and I doubt I'd be willing to give up enough to entice Morey (unless Morey really wants him gone due to his lack of a 3 pt shot. So for me, I'd only be willing to give a package around vets and picks. The only young guys I'd be willing to include would be Luka and Jones or DJ.

I'm hoping Siakam decides he wants out and maybe we could get in on that. I'd also look at Bagley (depending on what his agent thinks he's worth next year).

[Mugen]

So what would folks be willing to give up for Ben Simmons?

On paper, he's basically exactly what the young core of the Spurs need. He'd fit in great with guys like Walker, Johnson, Vassell and White. His fit with Murray is awkward but workable. His fit with Poeltl would be dicier, but they have the IQs to make it work. Obviously, any legit offer for Simmons would require that multiple players from that group, along with some of the vets and maybe quite a few picks are moved. But it could certainly speed up the rebuild... or I guess it could also backfire pretty badly if Simmons never improves or matures and the team trades away too many future pieces/takes back too much bad money. Still, depending on who the Spurs would be able to keep for the post-trade roster, it could wind up being worth the risk.

I'd do Murray/Derozan/2021 1st for him. Doubt that'd be enough tho.

I think the only "untouchables" on this team right now is White + Keldon. I'm quite biased towards Lonnie and would probably put him in that group as well.

I would disagree on the price for Simmons being that high, but granted I'm not that high on him overall as an alpha dog.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Would Simmons even want to be in SA?

I'm not convinced his impact would be big enough to offset the value of players going the other way, let alone the future picks that'd be required. It's not like he'd be the missing piece making SA a championship contender.

[DAF86]

I guess I could do DeRozan for Simmons straight up. That mortally flawed Aussie isn't worth anything else, tbh.

[NASpurs]

“Hopefully Chip fixes his jumper “ is why you trade for him :lol

[Sugus]

So what would folks be willing to give up for Ben Simmons?

On paper, he's basically exactly what the young core of the Spurs need. He'd fit in great with guys like Walker, Johnson, Vassell and White. His fit with Murray is awkward but workable. His fit with Poeltl would be dicier, but they have the IQs to make it work. Obviously, any legit offer for Simmons would require that multiple players from that group, along with some of the vets and maybe quite a few picks are moved. But it could certainly speed up the rebuild... or I guess it could also backfire pretty badly if Simmons never improves or matures and the team trades away too many future pieces/takes back too much bad money. Still, depending on who the Spurs would be able to keep for the post-trade roster, it could wind up being worth the risk.

I'm really tempted to say "nothing", tbh, I really don't like Simmons' game. He's flawed as a player even worse than DeMar, and probably won't ever be a closer or go-to guy, which this team will sorely need after DD leaves/is traded. Of course, the hope and expectation is that one of our own youngings can grow into that role - but how many of the youngings would we have left if we were to trade for Ben? Mugen's offer won't cut it at all - you're looking at a minimum asking price of at least 2 picks, likely unprotected, our best young prospect (either Keldon or Lonnie depending on how the season goes), and probably another roleplayer or so. For as much as I don't like Simmons, he's already looking like a perennial All-Star at only 24yo, is one of the best defensive and most versatile players in the league, and is on contract for the next 5 years. Thinking Philly would give him up for an expiring DD and a middling prospect like DJ is...... naive and homer.

I don't really think any package that Philly would listen to, would be worth the loss of assets from the Spurs' position. Not for a flawed player like Simmons, at least.

[TD 21]

The Spurs don't have the assets to acquire Simmons. They were willing to trade him for a superstar and might be for a better fitting star (Beal), but it's not like they're looking to trade him period, especially for spare parts.

This is what I mean by people overvaluing the Spurs' assets/youth. They don't have the centerpiece necessary to even get in the game for a superstar/star.

[Chinook]

The Spurs don't have the assets to acquire Simmons. They were willing to trade him for a superstar and might be for a better fitting star (Beal), but it's not like they're looking to trade him period, especially for spare parts.

This is what I mean by people overvaluing the Spurs' assets/youth. They don't have the centerpiece necessary to even get in the game for a superstar/star.

I think this is obviously wrong. The Nets package that just acquired Harden was not beyond the Spurs' capacity to offer, and everyone considers Simmons worth less than Harden. When you start trying to push guys like Levert as being untouchably more valuable than the Spurs' players you go from potential overvaluing SA's guys to undervaluing them. Caris is a net-negative, oft injured player. He definitely doesn't have more value than Murray right now. Allen was valuable, but he just got a late-first from Houston's perspective, and the Spurs should be able to do something similar with one of their non-Murray prospects. Then you just have the swaps and picks, which of course SA could offer just as easily as Brooklyn did. Then you add to all of that expirings who are good players and the ability to take back bad money, and you definitely have a lot of buying power.

I agree that:

1 -- Philly might not want that for Simmons

and

2 -- Going all out might not be something SA should do

But they clearly COULD offer a credible package for a superstar, just as MKE did for Holiday and Houston did for Westbrook. Giving up that many picks in a row is incredibly valuable, no matter what team is doing it. And if that team is likely to be no better than a darkhorse contender even after the trade like SA would, then all the better.

[TD 21]

I think this is obviously wrong. The Nets package that just acquired Harden was not beyond the Spurs' capacity to offer, and everyone considers Simmons worth less than Harden. When you start trying to push guys like Levert as being untouchably more valuable than the Spurs' players you go from potential overvaluing SA's guys to undervaluing them. Caris is a net-negative, oft injured player. He definitely doesn't have more value than Murray right now. Allen was valuable, but he just got a late-first from Houston's perspective, and the Spurs should be able to do something similar with one of their non-Murray prospects. Then you just have the swaps and picks, which of course SA could offer just as easily as Brooklyn did. Then you add to all of that expirings who are good players and the ability to take back bad money, and you definitely have a lot of buying power.

I agree that:

1 -- Philly might not want that for Simmons

and

2 -- Going all out might not be something SA should do

But they clearly COULD offer a credible package for a superstar, just as MKE did for Holiday and Houston did for Westbrook. Giving up that many picks in a row is incredibly valuable, no matter what team is doing it. And if that team is likely to be no better than a darkhorse contender even after the trade like SA would, then all the better.

No, it's spot on. Simmons isn't available in the way you're making it seem and there's nothing the Spurs could offer to get him.

The Nets' package is better than the Spurs theoretical one you proposed. LeVert is one of the most overrated players in the league, but as a pseudo go-to creator type on offense, he definitely has more value than a supposed PG who can't fill that role or shoot.

Holiday was never a superstar and Westbrook wasn't at the time of either of his trades.

[Chinook]

No, it's spot on. Simmons isn't available in the way you're making it seem and there's nothing the Spurs could offer to get him.

I'm not making it seem like anything. You're conflating the possibility that Philly only wants to upgrade Simmons with the idea that the Spurs don't have enough value for him. SA not being able to get Simmons isn't because fans overrate young players. For someone who complained about folks coming at him combatively, you like to put in a lot of combative overtones in your words. The strict text of what you say might not be trying to diss the Spurs or their fans, but as soon as you start expanding upon it, it immediately goes into some criticism of one or the other.


The Nets' package is better than the Spurs theoretical one you proposed. LeVert is one of the most overrated players in the league, but as a pseudo go-to creator type on offense, he definitely has more value than a supposed PG who can't fill that role or shoot.

I don't see this as very defensible. Levert potentially being more highly value (though obviously not since Houston moved him for a guy they apparently are going to dump for a pick and Iggy), doesn't make him a better asset. Murray pretty comfortably out-performs him, and by that same token, your framing of DJM ignores that dude is still highly thought over around the league. The Spurs' picks are almost certainly more valuable than the same from Brooklyn given their current rosters, and the lack of bad money going out in the deal probably lets Houston keep some of the value they had to pay to not have Prince on the team. The Spurs' package is better.


Holiday was never a superstar and Westbrook wasn't at the time of either of his trades.

Eh, they were both stars, and their packages were considered massive overpays anyway. They leveraged desperate teams. Those were definitely superstar packages in any modern sense.

[TD 21]

I'm not making it seem like anything. You're conflating the possibility that Philly only wants to upgrade Simmons with the idea that the Spurs don't have enough value for him. SA not being able to get Simmons isn't because fans overrate young players. For someone who complained about folks coming at him combatively, you like to put in a lot of combative overtones in your words. The strict text of what you say might not be trying to diss the Spurs or their fans, but as soon as you start expanding upon it, it immediately goes into some criticism of one or the other.



I don't see this as very defensible. Levert potentially being more highly value (though obviously not since Houston moved him for a guy they apparently are going to dump for a pick and Iggy), doesn't make him a better asset. Murray pretty comfortably out-performs him, and by that same token, your framing of DJM ignores that dude is still highly thought over around the league. The Spurs' picks are almost certainly more valuable than the same from Brooklyn given their current rosters, and the lack of bad money going out in the deal probably lets Houston keep some of the value they had to pay to not have Prince on the team. The Spurs' package is better.



Eh, they were both stars, and their packages were considered massive overpays anyway. They leveraged desperate teams. Those were definitely superstar packages in any modern sense.

You are, by framing this as if it's an actual possibility. The 76ers aren't rebuilding, they're in win now mode. B and C prospects and picks aren't going to do it for them. I see no combative overtones, you just have trouble dealing with people who know more than you about a particular subject.

Now you're into semantics. Rightly or wrongly, LeVert is more valuable because he can serve as a lead creator, which is the most valuable role in the sport and the one teams (especially if they lack an internal option) almost always prioritize in superstar/star trades.

There has never been evidence of Murray being highly thought of around the league (but there's plenty of evidence of his archetype not being thought of highly). Out of touch national media types regurgigating something from a few years ago doesn't qualify. The Nets picks on the back end could prove very valuable.

That's different than what you initially said and either way, the Spurs don't leverage teams, they get leveraged.

[Chinook]

You are, by framing this as if it's an actual possibility.

What Spurs fans would be willing to pay for Simmons is completely separate from the belief that Philly would not deal him.


I see no combative overtones, you just have trouble dealing with people who know more than you about a particular subject.

I'm sure you're aware of the irony in these two sentences.


Now you're into semantics. Rightly or wrongly, LeVert is more valuable because he can serve as a lead creator, which is the most valuable role in the sport and the one teams (especially if they lack an internal option) almost always prioritize in superstar/star trades.

I'm saying that you, TD21 are making a claim that's logically inconsistent. You're judging Levert by his "perceived" value and Murray by his "actual" value. Murray has a "perceived" value too, and it's way higher than you suggest, hence the Hawks wanting him to move up in the draft and the Spurs refusing. That's all we've heard on Murray. For Levert, what we saw is that Houston didn't value him at all. So, yeah, I don't think CL wins there. And in terms of real value, it's not close either.

I'll see you concede the rest of the package is better, though, and considering that Houston didn't want Levert and the Spurs could've easily substituted someone like Mills in place of Murray, and it's even clearer than the Spurs could've offered more.


There has never been evidence of Murray being highly thought of around the league (but there's plenty of evidence of his archetype not being thought of highly). Out of touch national media types regurgigating something from a few years ago doesn't qualify. The Nets picks on the back end could prove very valuab

Come on, man. I assumed you weren't going to rebut this because of how you usually format your responses, but this isn't a strong counter. Murray and his archetype are both valued highly right now. Just look at Smart apparently being worth more than the second-overall pick and cap space. DJM isn't worth that much, but he doesn't have to be to be worth more than Levert. There's no reason to believe the Nets picks, back-end or otherwise, are more valuable than the ones SA would be offering. Depending on what else SA offered, they might be a lotto team even after this deal.


That's different than what you initially said and either way, the Spurs don't leverage teams, they get leveraged.

No, it's not. I said they had the firepower to make an offer to a superstar. Talking about teams with less firepower getting stars and it being considered an overpay doesn't contradict that. And I'm basically conceding the point about stars just because I think it's an irrelevant distinction.

But again, you can't go more than one line of expansion without finding a way to criticize the Spurs or their fans. This has nothing to do with how much STers would offer for Simmons.

[TD 21]

What Spurs fans would be willing to pay for Simmons is completely separate from the belief that Philly would not deal him.



I'm sure you're aware of the irony in these two sentences.



I'm saying that you, TD21 are making a claim that's logically inconsistent. You're judging Levert by his "perceived" value and Murray by his "actual" value. Murray has a "perceived" value too, and it's way higher than you suggest, hence the Hawks wanting him to move up in the draft and the Spurs refusing. That's all we've heard on Murray. For Levert, what we saw is that Houston didn't value him at all. So, yeah, I don't think CL wins there. And in terms of real value, it's not close either.

I'll see you concede the rest of the package is better, though, and considering that Houston didn't want Levert and the Spurs could've easily substituted someone like Mills in place of Murray, and it's even clearer than the Spurs could've offered more.



Come on, man. I assumed you weren't going to rebut this because of how you usually format your responses, but this isn't a strong counter. Murray and his archetype are both valued highly right now. Just look at Smart apparently being worth more than the second-overall pick and cap space. DJM isn't worth that much, but he doesn't have to be to be worth more than Levert. There's no reason to believe the Nets picks, back-end or otherwise, are more valuable than the ones SA would be offering. Depending on what else SA offered, they might be a lotto team even after this deal.



No, it's not. I said they had the firepower to make an offer to a superstar. Talking about teams with less firepower getting stars and it being considered an overpay doesn't contradict that. And I'm basically conceding the point about stars just because I think it's an irrelevant distinction.

But again, you can't go more than one line of expansion without finding a way to criticize the Spurs or their fans. This has nothing to do with how much STers would offer for Simmons.

Agreed, but you conveniently left out the most important part of that: They'd trade him for a superstar or possibility a better fitting star. The Spurs don't have either of those two things.

There is none. I'm knowledgeable about this league and I don't suffer fools, which tends to rub some the wrong way.

No, I'm judging LeVert by his actual value, which was as a key piece to facilitating this trade (and one I'm confident Murray wouldn't have been able to fill). That the Rockets didn't want him isn't particularly important. The Hawks rumors were just that and either way, we don't know which of the youth they preferred (my guess wouldn't be Murray) and a willingness to move down 5 in a supposed weak draft isn't akin to this.

Smart is a volume 3-point shooter and 4 position defender. Murray's archetype is the likes of Dunn, Ntilikina, Carter-Williams, etc. Smart was worth more than that given the Celtics context and state of the top of this draft. Spurs are in conference and lack a centerpiece, a combination that automatically disqualifies them in a trade of this magnitude.

It's not an irrelevant distinction and your constant complaints of me have nothing to do with this.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1350576581270515714

[Robz4000]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1350576581270515714

Jesus Christ

[NASpurs]

That's fucking nuts. When being traded to another team and getting a physical probably saved your life.

[daslicer]

That's fucking nuts. When being traded to another team and getting a physical probably saved your life.

I was about to say the same thing. Levert might have been bitter originally about going to Indiana but he will end up being thankful this trade happen. Harden’s selfishness may have ended up indirectly saving Levert’s life.