Trade DeRozan from Drummond

[SURGE]

I would love for the SPURS to trade DeRozan for Drummond

[KingKev]

I would love for the SPURS to trade DeRozan for Drummond

He is a free agent this summer and Cleveland is likely to let
him walk after getting JA. Why not wait and sign him outright? I suspect he doesn’t get much more than 10mm next year.

[paperboy77]

??????????????? Not a very ST Pro proposition. Unless you're a secret Pistons fan.

[SURGE]

He plays for the cavs

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

no

[Chinook]

Ugh. Fuck no. I'd literally rather extend DeRozan, then cut him than trade for Drum.

[RC_Drunkford]

no way. Pistons traded Drummond for a bag of chips last season, Spurs could've easily got him if they wanted. Rather go for Collins and Jarrett Allen in FA

[NASpurs]

Definitely not the type of big we need on this team. Would had been great back in the 90s and early 2000s.

[CGD]

No. Go get Turner instead

[KingKev]

no way. Pistons traded Drummond for a bag of chips last season, Spurs could've easily got him if they wanted. Rather go for Collins and Jarrett Allen in FA

Doubt we can afford both

[sananspursfan21]

I like Drummond, but that would counter what the Spurs are currently trying to do. These young guys aren’t great in the half court when things slow down.

[MannyIsGod]

What the fuck.

[JADG79]

Drummond could be the next Hassan Whiteside.
We need a guy like Jarrett Allen and Cavs just give a 1st round for him and Spurs as always did nothing.

We are stuck with Poeltl

[exstatic]

Drummond literally can’t effectively play rotation minutes in today’s NBA. He’s a fossil, a remnant of another NBA era.

[KobesAchilles]

Him and Poetl as our big men going into the future :lobt:

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Drummond literally can’t effectively play rotation minutes in today’s NBA. He’s a fossil, a remnant of another NBA era.

tbh wasnt great in the other era either

[Chinook]

Nah, Drum was never that good at anything on either side of the ball except rebounding. If he were getting like $8 Million, that would've been valuable last era. But not for the max.

[Seventyniner]

If the Spurs struggle and the Cavs get a bug up their ass and think they can push for the playoffs (:lol) maybe they could include assets in a DDR/Drummond swap. But since they gave a 1st away I doubt they would be willing to. For the right asset haul I'd do it and just let Drummond walk, highly unlikely the Cavs would give away enough to make it worthwhile though.

[look_at_g_shred]

So with the cavs trading for allen in a contract year plus giving up a first, they are probably willing to pay whatever he desires this summer right? Would he still be considered a restricted free agent because of the trade?

[Leetonidas]

LOL wtf. Drummond sucks. He is basically useless in 2021 NBA

[JADG79]

Drummond is only good in Fantasy

[Ignazzz]

So with the cavs trading for allen in a contract year plus giving up a first, they are probably willing to pay whatever he desires this summer right? Would he still be considered a restricted free agent because of the trade?
Sure. You trade for player with his status. So RFA status is active

[RC_Drunkford]

Doubt we can afford both

we got 50 million in cap space, we definitely can afford both

[Ice009]

What did the Cavs give up to get Allen? Just a draft pick, or did they also trade someone? If it was only a first round pick, why didn't the Spurs try and get in on it?

[rankingtear]

What did the Cavs give up to get Allen? Just a draft pick, or did they also trade someone? If it was only a first round pick, why didn't the Spurs try and get in on it?

MIL 22 First, absorb Taureen Prince contract. Spurs are not dumb enough to burn their own future 1st, think about it.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

MIL 22 First, absorb Taureen Prince contract. Spurs are not dumb enough to burn their own future 1st, think about it.

Yep. And all this for the chance to overpay him in the summer. Some stupid team will give him a Capela-like contract. I like Allen, but certainly not at that price.

[exstatic]

What did the Cavs give up to get Allen? Just a draft pick, or did they also trade someone? If it was only a first round pick, why didn't the Spurs try and get in on it?

They sent the corpse of Dante Exum to HOU for salary purposes. Exum is an ending contact, so they absorbed Prince’s $15M for NEXT season. I’m guessing HOU didn’t want that contract. So, they sent out a first, and ate $15M in salary.

[Prime BEEF]

no way. Pistons traded Drummond for a bag of chips last season, Spurs could've easily got him if they wanted. Rather go for Collins and Jarrett Allen in FA
Yes please

[Prime BEEF]

no way. Pistons traded Drummond for a bag of chips last season, Spurs could've easily got him if they wanted. Rather go for Collins and Jarrett Allen in FA
Yes please

[JeffDuncan]

Drummond has a double-double in every game he's played this year. Rebounds & points.

He currently is the NBA leader this season in the following:

Defensive rebounds, total rebounds, rebounds per game, defensive rebound percentage, total rebound percentage, defensive rating, and defensive win shares.

Hm.

[Em-City]

No. Go get Turner instead
hell yeah

[Emperor]

I like Collins, but is Keldon basically gonna end up our small ball 4 anyways? Just curious.

[GreekSpursfan]

Collins is not a realistic target imo

[PhantomDashCam]

I like Drummond more than most, but the guy is going to miss the next game due to an achilles injury.
Guys that big who start to develop leg type injuries at 27? Avoid. Larry Nance would be a better target from the Cavs.

[KimmyGib]

This is a guy who will intentionally miss shots to rack up offensive boards. Does he even do anything well besides rebound?

[gambit1990]

No. Go get Turner instead

[Texas_Ranger]

Id trade him for a 2nd round pick. And not just cause of today's shot. This guy has been a loser way before he came here. Id do the same trade for Aldrigge and Mills aswell.

[DavidTheGoliath]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yxandwbb

Happy?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I'd like to see DeRozan traded from Drummond. I hear Drummond is a shithole.

[spurraider21]

the spurs give up more rebounds to opposing teams than anybody in the league, and have the worst rebounding differential in the league.

im not gonna act like getting an elite rebounder is something to scoff at. that said, a straight derozan for drummond swap would be awful value. drummond is also grossly overpaid but is expiring. i dont see what he does worse than poodle. id rather dump aldridge for him than derozan, though i dont see why the cavs would go for that at all

[Sugus]

I like Collins, but is Keldon basically gonna end up our small ball 4 anyways? Just curious.

He's perfectly capable of it tbh, but only in specific matchups against not-so-physical PFs. We've seen that he can check the "big weights" of the NBA like Zion, but his offensive game suffers due to the energy extended and drain on the D side of things. I think a different kind of C, more athletic and mobile, would compliment his small-ball 4 play (well, all of his play, but I'm specifically talking about small-ball 4 lol) much better than our current bigs do.

[TDMVPDPOY]

trade dd back to his home town, oh wait the teams in that division have shit all what the spurms need

[The Truth #6]

We need a big for the future but he isn't it. (Keldon should be at the 3 longterm in my opinion, by the way.)

[gambit1990]

if nothing else then yeah, i'd do demar for drummond straight up.

[gambit1990]

spurs would get size and the spurs youth will have the ball in their hands more. win-win.

[mo7888]

If we start looking for a short term backup center we'd be better off going for his team mate JaVale instead. He'd drive Pop crazy for sure but he's cheap.

[FutureMan]

No way the Spurs are stupid enough to trade Demar (our best player) for Drummond. It would be the worst front office decision ever.

Only way I see Drummond coming to the Spurs is if there was a three team trade that sends out Poeltl. Something like:

ATL: Poeltl
CLE: Lyles, Snell, & Gay
SAS: Drummond & Dellavedova

This frees up even more cap space for next year.

[KingKev]

Drummond just out up 33 points and and 23 rebounds, his fit with our youth movements style of play may be questionable but if we could move Poetl and bring him in for around 10mm while we go after John Collins it could work.

[Prime BEEF]

Drummond just out up 33 points and and 23 rebounds, his fit with our youth movements style of play may be questionable but if we could move Poetl and bring him in for around 10mm while we go after John Collins it could work.
I think it could work too. Need to get rid of LMA too

[venitian navigator]

LMA + Lyles for Drummond works numbers wise...in february, march that could become a chance...maybe actually now too, if we add a minimal (2 choice) draft pick

[gambit1990]

LMA + Lyles for Drummond works numbers wise...in february, march that could become a chance...maybe actually now too, if we add a minimal (2 choice) draft pick
you all REALLY need to stop thinking holding on to demar = good. SMH, y’all really to wake up.

la for drummond :lol

[KingKev]

LMA + Lyles for Drummond works numbers wise...in february, march that could become a chance...maybe actually now too, if we add a minimal (2 choice) draft pick

Why would Cleveland do this?? All expiring contracts and LMA is far inferior than Drummond at this point. We would have to include a 1st to make LMA for Drummond work.

[TD 21]

Why would Cleveland do this?? All expiring contracts and LMA is far inferior than Drummond at this point. We would have to include a 1st to make LMA for Drummond work.

No chance I'd give up any draft capital for Drummond. He's not only empty calories, but he'll probably cost double what Poeltl makes and for what? Outside of his historic rebounding, he's not particularly good at anything and can't shoot at all (something the next big they invest in needs to be able to do).

[spurraider21]

No chance I'd give up any draft capital for Drummond. He's not only empty calories, but he'll probably cost double what Poeltl makes and for what? Outside of his historic rebounding, he's not particularly good at anything and can't shoot at all (something the next big they invest in needs to be able to do).
I don’t think the compensation would make sense but these “he’s barely different than poodle “ takes are insane

[KingKev]

No chance I'd give up any draft capital for Drummond. He's not only empty calories, but he'll probably cost double what Poeltl makes and for what? Outside of his historic rebounding, he's not particularly good at anything and can't shoot at all (something the next big they invest in needs to be able to do).

I wouldn’t attach a first either but it is likely what he will cost and there is no chance we are getting him for LMA. He’d probably cost 10-12mm in free agency.

[TD 21]

I don’t think the compensation would make sense but these “he’s barely different than poodle “ takes are insane

Nah, they're spot on. He doesn't drive winning. There's years of evidence of his teams being better defensively with him off the floor and he's incomprehensibly inefficient offensively for someone who should be an elite finisher (because he tries to do too much to pretend he's more skilled than he is).

He's the definition of empty calories, so he fools casuals with his counting stats that are the product of high minutes and a bloated usage rate.



I wouldn’t attach a first either but it is likely what he will cost and there is no chance we are getting him for LMA. He’d probably cost 10-12mm in free agency.

A decent 2nd is what he'll likely fetch and he'll probably cost $18-20M.

[spurraider21]

I wouldn’t attach a first either but it is likely what he will cost and there is no chance we are getting him for LMA. He’d probably cost 10-12mm in free agency.
I’d much rather have him at 12 mil than poodle at 9

[KingKev]

I’d much rather have him at 12 mil than poodle at 9

Completely agree. I am happy to attach Samanic just to dump him. If we can get rid of Jakob, LMA and DDR without taking anything back and draft a decent 4/5 with what will likely be an 8-13th draft pick i’d be ecstatic. Sadly that is the most we Spurs fans can hope for in the next year. Signing Drummond to a reasonable contract would be gravy. That is how dire our future looks in the absence of one if the young guys breaking out which I am not hopeful of.

[mo7888]

Completely agree. I am happy to attach Samanic just to dump him. If we can get rid of Jakob, LMA and DDR without taking anything back and draft a decent 4/5 with what will likely be an 8-13th draft pick i’d be ecstatic. Sadly that is the most we Spurs fans can hope for in the next year. Signing Drummond to a reasonable contract would be gravy. That is how dire our future looks in the absence of one if the young guys breaking out which I am not hopeful of.

It doesn't make sense to attach an asset to move Jakob. If we want to move him in the offseason it won't be difficult because his value isn't perceived as negative (except in this forum).

[stephen jackson]

La for Drummond I’d prefer we have enough shooting we need a real center that shot blocks and runs the floor

[KingKev]

La for Drummond I’d prefer we have enough shooting we need a real center that shot blocks and runs the floor

Cleveland would never do this!!!!!

[KingKev]

It doesn't make sense to attach an asset to move Jakob. If we want to move him in the offseason it won't be difficult because his value isn't perceived as negative (except in this forum).

Jakob probably offers value to a contender looking to shore up their bench. I’d argue Samanic is hardly an asset.

[spurraider21]

drummond's offense is like dejuan blair but with actual NBA size. he's not an unskilled oaf, a ton of his points come from him getting the ball at the top of they key or even behind the line and beating his guy off the dribble

[TD 21]

drummond's offense is like dejuan blair but with actual NBA size. he's not an unskilled oaf, a ton of his points come from him getting the ball at the top of they key or even behind the line and beating his guy off the dribble

Yeah and finishing inefficiently, while turning it over at a high rate.

You don't want him pretending to be Jokic, Embiid, Towns, etc. He's been on bad teams who mostly lacked the star power and natural hierarchy that they bring about, to put him in the proper role, which is that of Poeltl's.

[spurraider21]

Yeah and finishing inefficiently, while turning it over at a high rate.

You don't want him pretending to be Jokic, Embiid, Towns, etc. He's been on bad teams who mostly lacked the star power and natural hierarchy that they bring about, to put him in the proper role, which is that of Poeltl's.
I don’t disagree. But he’s a clearly superior version of poeltl if you limited him to that role

[Prime BEEF]

Would easily trade LMA or DDR for Drummond. Easy choice. If he doesn’t mesh well with the team you don’t have to give him a contract in the offseason. We know LMA isn’t working out well and ddr is ddr...and taking time away from our young guys. This team would be better with Drummond. However, not sure Cleveland would trade him for LMA or ddr. Actually really doubt they would

[RC_Drunkford]

This is a thread with some of the dumbest takes that I‘ve ever read. None of you guys here understand that we need a 3-point shooting 5 for spacing. Y’all want Drummond, but don’t realize that there wouldn’t be no driving lanes for the young guys

[spurraider21]

This is a thread with some of the dumbest takes that I‘ve ever read. None of you guys here understand that we need a 3-point shooting 5 for spacing. Y’all want Drummond, but don’t realize that there wouldn’t be no driving lanes for the young guys
i was just giving the surprisingly controversial take that drummond is a better player than poodle tbh :lol

[TD 21]

I don’t disagree. But he’s a clearly superior version of poeltl if you limited him to that role

Acquisitions don't occur in a vaccum. There's an opportunity cost and his would be double or more what Poeltl is making. Years of planning to have significant cap space in '21 for arguably a minor upgrade at C (and with the lack of an established star or even featured option among the youth, good luck confining him to Poeltl's role), doesn't make sense.

Sure, they could trade Poeltl, but doing so while taking little to no money back probably wouldn't be easy and even then, he'd eat up an additional $10M or more of cap space. Not worth it.

[DAF86]

Are folks really arguing about Drummond? :lol Dude isn't worth it, tbh.

[spurraider21]

Acquisitions don't occur in a vaccum. There's an opportunity cost and his would be double or more what Poeltl is making. Years of planning to have significant cap space in '21 for arguably a minor upgrade at C (and with the lack of an established star or even featured option among the youth, good luck confining him to Poeltl's role), doesn't make sense.

Sure, they could trade Poeltl, but doing so while taking little to no money back probably wouldn't be easy and even then, he'd eat up an additional $10M or more of cap space. Not worth it.
he's on an expiring deal

[DAF86]

I don’t disagree. But he’s a clearly superior version of poeltl if you limited him to that role

Why would you want to pay a guy double what Poeltl is making just to play the same role? :lol

And no, give Drummond the same minutes as Poeltl and the same lack of touches, and he wouldn't be a clearly superior version. In fact, he might even be worse because of lack of interest.

[DAF86]

he's on an expiring deal

So, you would trade for him just to let him go after this season?

[KobesAchilles]

Why would you want to pay a guy double what Poeltl is making just to play the same role? :lol

And no, give Drummond the same minutes as Poeltl and the same lack of touches, and he wouldn't be a clearly superior version. In fact, he might even be worse because of lack of interest.
Agreed

[TD 21]

he's on an expiring deal

I'm obviously referring to re-signing him or signing him in free agency.

[Chinook]

The team doesn't needs a shooting five in a post-DeRozan world. They'll have enough shooting 1-4 to account for it. But a non-shooting center still has to be more of a threat than Jakob usually is. Dunno if I'd consider Drum that kind of guy.

[spurraider21]

i dont know if acquiring drummond would even be feasible, and i outright said the trade in the thread title is not one i'd go for right now.

i mostly got argumentative as a result of the takes that drummond is literally a bad player and not as good as poeltl :lol. i'm of the opinion that he'd be a clear upgrade to jakob. whether his acquisition would be feasible is a different question. i'd move aldridge for him, though i cant fathom why the cavs would do that

[DAF86]

i dont know if acquiring drummond would even be feasible, and i outright said the trade in the thread title is not one i'd go for right now.

i mostly got argumentative as a result of the takes that drummond is literally a bad player and not as good as poeltl :lol. i'm of the opinion that he'd be a clear upgrade to jakob. whether his acquisition would be feasible is a different question. i'd move aldridge for him, though i cant fathom why the cavs would do that

He's a extremely meh player, tbh. I don't know how much better he's than Poeltl, but at their respective prices, Poeltl > Drummond.

[TD 21]

:lmao How could they not need a stretch big long term? They have exactly 3 players (White, Walker, Vassell) who project as possible high percentage/volume 3-point shooters and Walker might not be extended. We'll see what happens with Johnson. Their bookends (Poeltl and Murray) provide zero to little 3-point shooting.

[R. DeMurre]

Someone's going to pay Drummond a lot of money this off season, and it will doom them to being an average team for the foreseeable future.

[look_at_g_shred]

Just have to ride this out until we sign Collins this summer.

[Dejounte]

Just have to ride this out until we sign Collins this summer.

'You are assuming PATFO are even interested." Lmao

https://media.tenor.com/images/4da0be7323dda3575616f6bf4c7c2d21/tenor.gif

[Chinook]

:lmao How could they not need a stretch big long term? They have exactly 3 players (White, Walker, Vassell) who project as possible high percentage/volume 3-point shooters and Walker might not be extended. We'll see what happens with Johnson. Their bookends (Poeltl and Murray) provide zero to little 3-point shooting.

If we're talking about a new starting center, why do we care about Poeltl shooting? And while DJM isn't exactly a floor-spacer right now, it's the combination of him and DeRozan (and previously LMA) that damaged spacing so much. With an average shooter in DMDR's place, they don't need a stretch-five offensively. They just need one who's going to actually command some kind of gravity.

[TD 21]

If we're talking about a new starting center, why do we care about Poeltl shooting? And while DJM isn't exactly a floor-spacer right now, it's the combination of him and DeRozan (and previously LMA) that damaged spacing so much. With an average shooter in DMDR's place, they don't need a stretch-five offensively. They just need one who's going to actually command some kind of gravity.

It's not about Poeltl, it's about having a rotational big who can shoot/stretch the floor. You're right that that's the biggest spacing related issue, but not the only one.

[spurraider21]

its also unclear what the demand for drummond would be... its not like cleveland gave up a lot for him, and they just picked up jarrett allen. would also add that while drummond cant shoot, he frequently gets the ball at or near the top of the key and takes his guy off the dribble.

i dno, i see him as a good fit. just dont see a good deal to get him over here right now

[Titi Parisien]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/blob:https://www.spurstalk.com/e1ab0942-41ad-4659-97ed-e601586c7353

[tmtcsc]

Not a good idea David.

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/JDumasReports/status/1353747951827312641

[Degoat]

I know he’s played well this year but if Drummond can get a 1st round pick, LMA and Demar can too

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/JDumasReports/status/1353747951827312641

there's no way for them to be able to get Kevin Love with his 31 million contract unless they include Dinwiddie and Harris. That would be stupid

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1354444398466125827

[rah88sa]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1354444398466125827

It doesn't mention why the Cavs would buy out his contract for absolutely no reason other than to help out another eastern conference team.

[mo7888]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1354444398466125827

That's interesting..the Cavs are competing to get back in the playoffs so I'm not sure how a buyout helps them here.

[look_at_g_shred]

That's interesting..the Cavs are competing to get back in the playoffs so I'm not sure how a buyout helps them here.
Because its the players era, and every player gets what they want if they bitch hard enough.

[Leetonidas]

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1354444398466125827

28.75 million this season no? Why on earth would Cleveland buy out an expiring contract to help other teams, makes no sense

[Degoat]

Cavs don’t want to see Lebron Win again lol

[mo7888]

Cavs don’t want to see Lebron Win again lol

Actually, that makes some sense from their owner's perspective...

[KingKev]

Sounds like BS to me unless the buy out is for pennies on the dollar and is a pure cost saving move. With that being said if it happens it speaks to the trade market right now and why Patty, LMA and Gay have 0 chance at garnering a first in the absence of taking back a longer term contract as the salary match. 75% of posters on this board recommending trades for our vets just don’t understand the current NBA landscape. Almost as dumb as casual Laker fans.

[KingKev]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2928418-exposing-the-nbas-worst-defenders

DDR is probably my least favourite relevant Spur of all time up there with RJ, LMA and Vinny Del Negro.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Sounds like BS to me unless the buy out is for pennies on the dollar and is a pure cost saving move. With that being said if it happens it speaks to the trade market right now and why Patty, LMA and Gay have 0 chance at garnering a first in the absence of taking back a longer term contract as the salary match. 75% of posters on this board recommending trades for our vets just don’t understand the current NBA landscape. Almost as dumb as casual Laker fans.

There are only a few relevant teams who could trade a 1st - Phi, Bos, Den, maybe Jazz. You're right that it's unlikely because it'd be difficult to get the contracts to work, but theoretically Philly could do something with Danny's contract, they have a few other smaller expirings. Bos have that TE. Difficult with Denver, maybe something around Harris's contract but it's 2 years. Jazz - nothing workable. Slim pickings.

[KingKev]

There are only a few relevant teams who could trade a 1st - Phi, Bos, Den, maybe Jazz. You're right that it's unlikely because it'd be difficult to get the contracts to work, but theoretically Philly could do something with Danny's contract, they have a few other smaller expirings. Bos have that TE. Difficult with Denver, maybe something around Harris's contract but it's 2 years. Jazz - nothing workable. Slim pickings.

1st round picks are rare, expiring vets are abundant ans young talented guys like Collins, Aaron Gordon, Bagley, Lavine etc etc are potentially on the trading block. Our access to a 1st is not slim pickings, that assumes we are calling the shots. We have no leverage. It's not slim pickings for us we are just leftovers at a buffet for those teams you mentioned above.

[Seventyniner]

It could be worth trying to get a 2022 first instead, especially if the extra wait can be used to bargain for fewer or no protections on the pick. More teams should have 2022 picks available to trade than 2021 picks.

[KingKev]

It could be worth trying to get a 2022 first instead, especially if the extra wait can be used to bargain for fewer or no protections on the pick. More teams should have 2022 picks available to trade than 2021 picks.

15 teams can’t trade ANY first not just 2021

[mo7888]

15 teams can’t trade ANY first not just 2021

That's just crazy...but it also means the other 15 teams have multiple 1st's they can trade though right?

[CGD]

15 teams can’t trade ANY first not just 2021

That’s wild if true.

[Seventyniner]

15 teams can’t trade ANY first not just 2021

That can't be right. I thought the rule was that a team can't make a trade that leaves it with two consecutive future years without a first round pick. If a team has a 2021 and 2023 first, regardless of if it is their own or not, they can trade a 2022 first. There should be plenty of teams able to trade, for example, a 2024 first.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

This site details future trades. The teams that wouldn't be able to deal their 2022 first are Brooklyn, Dallas, Denver (though they can trade their 2021 first), Detroit, LA Lakers, Minnesota, Phoenix (cause they don't have one to trade, it's going to OC), Portland, Utah, Washington. 10 out of 30, and that's only for 2022.

[KingKev]

I could be mistaken, does anyone have access to ESPN insider? https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/30743307/the-reasons-why-half-nba-trade-their-first-round-pick-right-now

[Degoat]

Idk if it’s exactly 15 teams it might be, but I was listening to a podcast and they were talking about if Bradley Beal was to demand a trade not many contending teams could make an offer for him because most of the playoff teams have traded away all their future picks

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Idk if it’s exactly 15 teams it might be, but I was listening to a podcast and they were talking about if Bradley Beal was to demand a trade not many contending teams could make an offer for him because most of the playoff teams have traded away all their future picks

Trading away a ton of future picks for a 2nd/3rd star is very much needed in order to be able to contend now. When everyone else is doing it but you're not ( Phi, Bos, Den ), then you're at a significant disadvantage.

[Chinook]

Trading away a ton of future picks for a 2nd/3rd star is very much needed in order to be able to contend now. When everyone else is doing it but you're not ( Phi, Bos, Den ), then you're at a significant disadvantage.

I'm still hoping some teams are looking at DeRozan and/or LMA as "bargain stars" in that same vein. If a team like Denver is willing to offer some legit value for DMDR, I hope PATFO recognizes the opportunity and goes for it.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I'm still hoping some teams are looking at DeRozan and/or LMA as "bargain stars" in that same vein. If a team like Denver is willing to offer some legit value for DMDR, I hope PATFO recognizes the opportunity and goes for it.

If Denver can keep Porter Jr healthy then something like Harris + filler + 2021 1st for DDR could be useful for them, however I doubt the Spurs do it if they're still with a chance to make the playoffs come the trade deadline.

[rankingtear]

When Houston Rockets (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/hou/houston-rockets) general manager Rafael Stone explained last week why he prioritized a bundle of first-round picks (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/30729967/houston-rockets-gm-rafael-stone-touts-flexibility-found-trading-james-harden) and not a current All-NBA player like Ben Simmons (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3907387/ben-simmons) in a James Harden (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3992/james-harden) trade, he said it was because, "In the NBA, picks -- especially high picks -- are the best currency."
Those valuable picks (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/insider/story/_/id/20417753/nba-draft-assets-all-30-teams), the lifeblood of so many blockbusters, are suddenly in very short supply.

Two developments over the past couple of years have frozen numerous teams out of trading picks for years on end. Currently, 15 teams are either out multiple first-round picks, forbidden from trading more, or have their picks locked -- "encumbered" in front-office vernacular, which means they can't trade them for multiple years.
The March 25 trade deadline was already set to challenge buyers as the new play-in tournament means 20 teams can make the "postseason" this year, incentivizing teams on the fringes from giving up. But coupled with the scarcity of picks available, the nature of trades could change for the foreseeable future.

EDITOR'S PICKS



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The NBA has a long history of legislating measures to protect teams from themselves. From the "Stepien rule" in 1982, which prohibited trading first-round picks in consecutive years, to limits on rookie and star contracts, to recent changes in the draft lottery that discourage tanking, one rule is particularly germane in this discussion: teams can only trade picks seven years into the future -- up to the 2027 draft for the current league year.
In the fall of 2017, there was an item on the league's preseason board of governors meeting agenda that called for a vote on a rule that would ban trading pick swaps to teams that already owed future first-round picks to other teams. Basically, a "Brooklyn Nets (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/bkn/brooklyn-nets) rule" dating to the infamous 2013 trade with the Boston Celtics (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/bos/boston-celtics) that led to the swap of the pick that became the No. 1 in the 2017 draft.
Despite a lobbying effort by several teams, the vote was taken off that agenda. As such, superstar trades that have included multiple first-round picks plus pick swaps have continued unabated. The NBA has seen four of them in roughly 18 months (the Anthony Davis (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6583/anthony-davis), Paul George (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4251/paul-george), Jrue Holiday (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3995/jrue-holiday) and Harden deals).
The other development is the new, flatter draft lottery, enabling teams to climb from further back into top spots. In 2019, the first year of the revamped odds, the New Orleans Pelicans (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/no/new-orleans-pelicans) jumped from sixth to first and the Lakers from 11th to fourth. Last year, the Charlotte Hornets (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/cha/charlotte-hornets) and Chicago Bulls (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/chi/chicago-bulls) took advantage of improved odds to rise into the top four.
As a result, when teams trade first-round picks with protections, they've added more restrictions to prevent being burned by an unexpected leap in the new lottery format. The Detroit Pistons (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/det/detroit-pistons) and Portland Trail Blazers (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/por/portland-trail-blazers) each traded first-rounders that had sliding protections for seven seasons.
Half the league is frozen out of trading first-rounders

With 2028 draft picks unable to be included in trades until the start of next season, here is a look at the teams with little or no flexibility when it comes to dealing first-round picks.


TEAM
NOTE


BKN
Can't trade any


DAL
Can't trade own until 2027


DEN
Can trade only own in 2021 or 2027


DET
Can't trade any


GS
Can't trade own until 2026


LAC
Can't trade any


LAL
Can't trade any


MIA
Can't trade any


MIL
Can't trade any


MIN
Can't trade own until 2024


PHI
Can't trade own from 2025-27


PHX
Can't trade own until 2027


POR
Can't trade any


UTAH
Can't trade own until 2026


WAS
Can trade only own in 2021


This means neither of them can trade a first-rounder right now because they don't know when the pick will convey, and the Stepien rule locks them out of trading more. Plenty of teams are in similar jams:


The Phoenix Suns (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/phx/phoenix-suns), because of the three years of protections on the 2022 pick they sent to Oklahoma City for Chris Paul (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul), can't trade a first-rounder until 2027. The Utah Jazz (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/utah/utah-jazz), because of the years of protections they put on a pick they sent to Memphis for Mike Conley (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3195/mike-conley), can't trade a first until 2026. The Dallas Mavericks (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/dal/dallas-mavericks), because of the two firsts they sent the New York Knicks (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/ny/new-york-knicks) for Kristaps Porzingis (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3102531/kristaps-porzingis) plus three years of protections, can't trade a first until 2027.
The Washington Wizards (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/wsh/washington-wizards), because of a string of protections in the pick sent to Houston for Russell Westbrook (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook), can trade this year's first, but it couldn't be protected and they can't trade any others. Considering the talent in the upcoming draft, a team like Washington that has a chance of being in the lottery is unlikely to trade an unprotected pick this season.
The Miami Heat (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/mia/miami-heat) owe their 2021 first to Oklahoma City and their 2023 first with three years of protections to the Thunder as well. Because of the Stepien rule and an uncertainty of when those picks can convey, the Heat also can't currently trade a first-rounder.
Because of star acquisitions that required multiple firsts and the Stepien rule, the LA Clippers (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/lac/la-clippers), Milwaukee Bucks (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/mil/milwaukee-bucks), Lakers and Nets also can't trade any first-round pick right now.

Seven teams are totally locked out of the draft-pick market this season at the trade deadline -- and considering Washington's situation, it might as well count as the provisional eighth. Discussions with those in the league believe a list this deep has never happened.
With the going rate to acquire star players being so high, the lack of supply could inhibit the market for the next star who wants out. One consequence of all this, league executives predict, is that the pick swaps themselves become more commonplace in trades.

A flurry of first-round picks changed hands in the James Harden and Jrue Holiday trades. Nathaniel S. Butler/NBAE/Getty ImagesAmending old trades is another possibility, something that has already started. When the Bucks wanted to make their trade for Holiday, they were unable to trade the needed three unprotected first-rounders to New Orleans because of a protected first-rounder owed to the Cleveland Cavaliers (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/cle/cleveland-cavaliers) starting in 2022.
The Bucks had to convince the Cavs to unprotect the pick, ensuring it would convey in 2022, so they would be allowed to move picks in 2025 and 2027 in the Holiday trade.
But nothing is free. Milwaukee had to pay Cleveland a second-round pick to amend the trade.
This puts the teams holding protected picks in solid position. When the Heat had brief talks with the Rockets about a Harden trade, the only way they could've included their own future first-rounders would've been to call the Thunder and agree on a new price to unprotect the picks in addition to what they'd have to trade to the Rockets.
Focusing just on the upcoming trade deadline, only a few contending teams have picks in this year's draft that can be traded: the Philadelphia 76ers (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/phi/philadelphia-76ers), Celtics, Toronto Raptors (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/tor/toronto-raptors) and Denver Nuggets (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/den/denver-nuggets).



But even that comes with caveats. Because the Nuggets owe a pick with protections to -- you guessed it, the Thunder (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/insider/story/_/id/30492825/betting-opponent-future-nba-market-inefficiency) -- starting in 2023, this is the last year they can trade a first until 2027. Because the 76ers owe a pick with protections to -- you guessed it again, the Thunder -- starting in 2025, they can trade 2021 or 2023 firsts but no others.
When next season starts, the 2028 picks will become available for the trade market, though that's so far off into the future it's hard to assign value to them now. And a few picks will probably convey in the 2021 draft that will loosen some teams' restrictions.
But if an NBA team wants to acquire a first-round pick in the near future, it may find the market rather tight.

[LakerHater]

Fuck NO!

[mo7888]

I'd rather see this than go for Drummond

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y3xw3v6p

Here's a trade I could see NY putting on the table (they'd be including an unprotected or lightly protected 1st as well).

They still have cap room and can accept an unbalanced trade and DDR should secure them a playoff spot. We get to let the kids run, pick up an asset, and save a little money.

[MoSpur02]

Trade him for Beal. It’s better than resigning Derozan. It’s a gamble that a key free agent will sign here so why not try to acquire Beal?

[KingKev]

Trade him for Beal. It’s better than resigning Derozan. It’s a gamble that a key free agent will sign here so why not try to acquire Beal?

Lol please elaborate.

[mo7888]

Trade him for Beal. It’s better than resigning Derozan. It’s a gamble that a key free agent will sign here so why not try to acquire Beal?

That would probably require 3 1st's and couple pucks swaps and maybe a youngster.... I don't think we are close enough to a title to push all of our chips (or most of our chips) in on a move like that.

[MoSpur02]

Beal is young. What? 26? 27? His contract is pricey, but he has shown he can be a star. DeRozan doesn’t fit well and there is a good chance he’ll walk after this off season. Why not try to get someone as great as Beal who is under contract who can improve this team. I know Washington won’t trade straight up, but a 1st and someone like Walker might be sufficient. I’d hate to get rid of Walker, but in order to get someone like Beal it’s gonna cost. Spurs have to take a risk some time if they wanna improve.

[mo7888]

Beal is young. What? 26? 27? His contract is pricey, but he has shown he can be a star. DeRozan doesn’t fit well and there is a good chance he’ll walk after this off season. Why not try to get someone as great as Beal who is under contract who can improve this team. I know Washington won’t trade straight up, but a 1st and someone like Walker might be sufficient. I’d hate to get rid of Walker, but in order to get someone like Beal it’s gonna cost. Spurs have to take a risk some time if they wanna improve.

Ok a 1st and Walker + DDR.... I'm sure we'd do that...but why would they take less than holiday brought to Nola... ? It's not realistic

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Beal is young. What? 26? 27? His contract is pricey, but he has shown he can be a star. DeRozan doesn’t fit well and there is a good chance he’ll walk after this off season. Why not try to get someone as great as Beal who is under contract who can improve this team. I know Washington won’t trade straight up, but a 1st and someone like Walker might be sufficient. I’d hate to get rid of Walker, but in order to get someone like Beal it’s gonna cost. Spurs have to take a risk some time if they wanna improve.

Not even close. Washington will look for a Jrue/George type of deal. Spurs aren't good enough to be able to afford to dump all of their future picks.

[MultiTroll]

Ugh. Fuck no. I'd literally rather extend DeRozan, then cut him than trade for Drum.
Could you explain using a working example of how this would work and how Cleveland would fall for it?

I don't do 5D checkers.

[EasyMoney]

People just pulling trade ideas out of their ass. Bradley beal isn't going anywhere unless someone gives up a minimum 3 first rd picks and a promising talent. Even that is just setting the bar, and it's low.

[ezau]

You're all delusional if you think the Spurs are gonna trade DeRozan. Didn't you see how Pop and RC practically built this team around him? DD is the team's primarily ballhandler and facilitator. Meanwhile, Pop will not a make another blockbuster deal involving DeRozan after it took them years to stabilize the team after Kawhi and Green left. If it isn't obvious by now, the Spurs are trying to get to the playoffs while developing their young guys. Keldon and Murray have breakout seasons as we speak.