Grades: Spurs vs. Rockets - Jan. 16, 2021

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/grades-san-antonio-spurs-houston-rockets-game-13/

At least the Rockets didn't sweep, tbh.

[Slippy]

As always thanks for grade..


Pop got it right this time.. hopefully a sign of things to come

[leo07251413]

Thanks for the grades, tbh.

[widowmaker]

Aldridge gas tank seems to be empty.

[Mr. Body]

The age of the veterans and the limitations of the youth were very evident. At least Murray was able to essentially win the game down the stretch with a few plays. It's hard to imagine the rest of the season won't have a ton of these games.

[spurs10]

Thank you for the grades. Needed this win and we pulled it out.

[Sugus]

Definitely an unsustainable way to win games, the way the team played tonight. Everyone, no exceptions, needs to play better, especially in the grit/hustle/heart department. At many points, it simply seemed like the Rockettes wanted this win more than our guys did. That can't be happening on the regular. I tend to agree with posters that say the vets end up setting the tone in that regard, with their carelessness and lethargic play.... I fear it'll rub off on the youngings soon enough.

On a separate note, it should be clear by now that Lonnie is next to useless in any lineups featuring DeRozan. DeMar seems to just not like the guy or something... If I had any video editing skills, I'd go over this game again and clip it by possession. I swear there were 4-5 consecutive trips to the offensive side where Lonnie literally did not touch the basketball. How do you let that happen after he's been your main scorer for the last two games (except for the last one against these same Rockettes)? Does no teammate at any point go, "hey, Lonnie's a pretty good scorer and we're down 10, might be useful to kick it his way"? Really, really strange, and I single out DeMar just because he's supposed to be the primary facilitator. But it's really on Pop to demand change. Lonnie shouldn't be having to rely on fighting everyone, teammates included, for rebounds simply to be able to bring the ball up the court and initiate something. Especially so when the offense is as stagnant as it was during stretches of this game.....

E: I see Timvp adressed both DeMar's ballhogging and Lonnie's lack of touches in his grades. Good shit. I don't buy that it was thumb-related for Lonnie, since he said last game that it wasn't the reason he was subbed out (and he played today, meaning it couldn't've been so bad - his problem wasn't so much missing shots, as missing entire possessions frozen out on the perimeter). IDK what it is, but something's gotta change if we want to consistently see the Lonnie of those two games - and I feel like it's DeMar that has to "change" (more like "go"), tbh.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Thanks for the grades TIMVP

[Dejounte]

DeMar increased his usg% tonight to a level only stars deserve: 32.3%. Abnormally* pathetic and selfish night for him. I think my trolling of him on his social media took turn for the worst.

Patty came in second with 25.4%.

DJ with 25.3%.

Huge drop off from Lonnie tonight. He had the highest in last game to only 14.1% tonight.

*I stress the word abnormally because he's deferred for the most part this season.

No match-up data as of yet.

[siraulo23]

Mills percrentages finally going back to earth, Jakob finally played well.

Decent game from Derozan but I just want him off this team.

[siraulo23]

yikes just had a look at the boxscore, didnt realise he was 9-25 from the field

[Dejounte]

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I think Lonnie's game was affected by his wrist. In this clip here, he tries to quickly secure the ball with his right hand. If there's even a little pain, I could see how that could take one's aggressiveness away.

[MultiTroll]

Definitely an unsustainable way to win games, the way the team played tonight. Everyone, no exceptions, needs to play better, especially in the grit/hustle/heart department. At many points, it simply seemed like the Rockettes wanted this win more than our guys did. That can't be happening on the regular. I tend to agree with posters that say the vets end up setting the tone in that regard, with their carelessness and lethargic play.... I fear it'll rub off on the youngings soon enough.

On a separate note, it should be clear by now that Lonnie is next to useless in any lineups featuring DeRozan. DeMar seems to just not like the guy or something... If I had any video editing skills, I'd go over this game again and clip it by possession. I swear there were 4-5 consecutive trips to the offensive side where Lonnie literally did not touch the basketball. How do you let that happen after he's been your main scorer for the last two games (except for the last one against these same Rockettes)? Does no teammate at any point go, "hey, Lonnie's a pretty good scorer and we're down 10, might be useful to kick it his way"? Really, really strange, and I single out DeMar just because he's supposed to be the primary facilitator. But it's really on Pop to demand change. Lonnie shouldn't be having to rely on fighting everyone, teammates included, for rebounds simply to be able to bring the ball up the court and initiate something. Especially so when the offense is as stagnant as it was during stretches of this game.....

E: I see Timvp adressed both DeMar's ballhogging and Lonnie's lack of touches in his grades. Good shit. I don't buy that it was thumb-related for Lonnie, since he said last game that it wasn't the reason he was subbed out (and he played today, meaning it couldn't've been so bad - his problem wasn't so much missing shots, as missing entire possessions frozen out on the perimeter). IDK what it is, but something's gotta change if we want to consistently see the Lonnie of those two games - and I feel like it's DeMar that has to "change" (more like "go"), tbh.
Agree. I was really liking the writeup thought it was one of the better ones until i got to the Pop part. Letting DD run the show while the younguns take a backseat, that shit needs to stop ASAP. After the bubble and this seasons start, esp the wins 4-5 games ago with DD playing facilitator and then rightfully taking good shots the last half of 4th qtrs, drawing fouls....that was good. Reverting to he and LMA 2 man 90's ball is a HUGE step backwards. Enough of blaming DD, this call is made by Pop. Thought he finally got the memo (intervention?) but now it's return to bullshit. Good point by timvp that one has to wonder did the Spurs step up in the 4th or did Houston get gassed / shorthanded?

[poopbox]

Of course DD is going to be hogging the ball...he is in a contract year on a team that is not going to resign him :lol Dude is playing to put up numbers and get paid and could give two shits about the young guys on this team...as would any 30 year old guard looking for his last big pay day in a similar situation...

LMA is beyond washed...dude is going to be a gawd tier tank commander all season...I wonder if Pop has the balls to just start playing him less and less...

I do not think it was a coincidence that we played better down the stretch in this game and LMA and Patty were on the bench...

Lonnie was holding and clutching his hand most of the game as well...hopefully it doesn't keep bothering him going forward

[DAF86]

Of course DD is going to be hogging the ball...he is in a contract year on a team that is not going to resign him :lol Dude is playing to put up numbers and get paid and could give two shits about the young guys on this team...as would any 30 year old guard looking for his last big pay day in a similar situation...

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[LMA is beyond washed...dude is going to be a gawd tier tank commander all season...I wonder if Pop has the balls to just start playing him less and less...

I do not think it was a coincidence that we played better down the stretch in this game and LMA and Patty were on the bench...

Lonnie was holding and clutching his hand most of the game as well...hopefully it doesn't keep bothering him going forward

He's the Spurs' best player according to my hermano Chinook :lol

[poopbox]

He's the Spurs' best player according to my hermano Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) :lol

A guy who is having the worst season of his career is our best player :lmao

[venitian navigator]

Thanks foor the grades, I mostly agree with them. Like I agree with Sugus (and Multitroll). Looked frankly more like a dogfight than a basketball game, and Houston was the dog fighting harder...before falling down (end of gas). I think the main reason we won was Tucker missing all the 3 point shots he usually makes...(expecially considering that most of them were with a good amount of space).
I like the improvement in Murrays game, that imho is for the most an improvement of his phisical conditions and confidence (and only a little in his game wiew)....that said, if this is supposed to be a playoffs season, White have to come back as soon as possible...and probably Tre Jones should have a chance to show his skills. We need desperately playmaking, expecially when DDR (as of now our best ballhandler, and that's not a good thing) abuse of the given freedom to manage the ball at will (yesterday at the expense of a Walker while today he probably was not so confident because of his injured thumb).
Poeltl finally played like he should (and made a free throw) while LMA looks weak on defense, on boards and disinterested (and its a pity because if he can still play at a decent level the offense flows ten times better, simply for the spacing he's able to create)...that said our liability on team defense and interior defense is clear (thanks to Murrays long arms and sometimes Gay's awarness we've not been totally killed...).
Mills missed too many shots and is the other clear defensive liability of this team. Thank God Pop understood that and didn't let him play the final minutes.
Like Timvp wrote, not a lot to like in this game except for the final score.

[4lifecowboy]

I noticed the same thing with Lonnie, but it seemed to me Johnson and Murray along with Derozan that was not passing him the ball. That's on Pop though, plays should be ran for Lonnie to encourage the development of being a go to scorer.

[John B]

Thanks for the grades Timvp. It was an ugly win, but a win is a win. Before Houston’s two games, I was so excited over our troops. The last two games shook my confidence. Spurs played against 8/9 players that are mostly unknown players and almost lost both except Houston run out of gas. This was not just lack of interior defense. Pop over relying on FIBA Mills was very disappointing, as he mentioned the Bubble excitement prior the season. It’s Bryn Forbes allover again. Pop finally pulled him and Aldridge and let Lonnie and Keldon closed which was the correct decision. And Lonnie and Keldon helped quell whatever comeback Houston have to win the game.

I don’t know if Aldridge is hurt. He doesn’t seem to have lift on his legs. Or his defense regressed so much, because he cannot be closing if he can’t play D.

Poeltl finally woke up and helped energized the win. I was one of those calling for his head. I wonder what happened?

[tbdog]

I probably need to focus on how the Spurs defend the 3. Usually I noticed they give up the shoulder 3, which is probably the hardest 3 to hit. I noticed that Jones hit some long 3s, in which the Spurs gave up. Playing Lillard and Curry, I can't vision it's something the Spurs can afford to let go.

Another thing is while the Rockets shot well from 3, the Spurs were ice ice cold. The only way we won fairly convincingly was because of our hustle. As much as Poeltl helped us at the end of the game, I wonder if he plays if the Spurs were in the penalty.

Finally, is Pop not calling plays. We seem to lost our motion and zipper. Playing only one big means no Horns. So our offense is drive and kick.

[duncan2k5]

Definitely an unsustainable way to win games, the way the team played tonight. Everyone, no exceptions, needs to play better, especially in the grit/hustle/heart department. At many points, it simply seemed like the Rockettes wanted this win more than our guys did. That can't be happening on the regular. I tend to agree with posters that say the vets end up setting the tone in that regard, with their carelessness and lethargic play.... I fear it'll rub off on the youngings soon enough.

On a separate note, it should be clear by now that Lonnie is next to useless in any lineups featuring DeRozan. DeMar seems to just not like the guy or something... If I had any video editing skills, I'd go over this game again and clip it by possession. I swear there were 4-5 consecutive trips to the offensive side where Lonnie literally did not touch the basketball. How do you let that happen after he's been your main scorer for the last two games (except for the last one against these same Rockettes)? Does no teammate at any point go, "hey, Lonnie's a pretty good scorer and we're down 10, might be useful to kick it his way"? Really, really strange, and I single out DeMar just because he's supposed to be the primary facilitator. But it's really on Pop to demand change. Lonnie shouldn't be having to rely on fighting everyone, teammates included, for rebounds simply to be able to bring the ball up the court and initiate something. Especially so when the offense is as stagnant as it was during stretches of this game.....

E: I see Timvp adressed both DeMar's ballhogging and Lonnie's lack of touches in his grades. Good shit. I don't buy that it was thumb-related for Lonnie, since he said last game that it wasn't the reason he was subbed out (and he played today, meaning it couldn't've been so bad - his problem wasn't so much missing shots, as missing entire possessions frozen out on the perimeter). IDK what it is, but something's gotta change if we want to consistently see the Lonnie of those two games - and I feel like it's DeMar that has to "change" (more like "go"), tbh.

I noticed one play where DeMar wanted the ball from lonnie and seemed annoyed when lonnie took the shot...so u may be onto something

[MannyIsGod]

LMA is starting to look washed. Not even sure what his trade value is at this point.

[KingKev]

LMA is starting to look washed. Not even sure what his trade value is at this point.

a late second round pick

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1350860653284749320

For comparisons' sake:

In game 1 vs the Rockets, LaMarcus matched up against Wood for a total of 7 minutes and 27 seconds. Wood was able to shoot 10 times, and made six of them for a total of 17 points.

In game 2 vs the Rockets, Keldon matched up against Wood for a total of 6 minutes and 34 seconds. Wood was able to shoot five times, and made only one of them for a total of 6 points (4 points were from free throws).

https://www.nba.com/game/hou-vs-sas-0022000176/box-score#box-score

https://www.nba.com/game/hou-vs-sas-0022000189/box-score#box-score

[KingKev]

It is rediculous Keldon has to guard the opposing team’s best player almost regardless of position. He should be feasting on guys that play the 2/3 on both ends of the court not expending his energy on bigs.

[Dejounte]

It is rediculous Keldon has to guard the opposing team’s best player almost regardless of position. He should be feasting on guys that play the 2/3 on both ends of the court not expending his energy on bigs.

Is it more exhausting though? Rather than chasing guys off-ball, he's using the strength in his chest to be a wall against bigs. Seems chasing guys would tire your legs more and affect you more overall than stopping a big with your strength. Just my thoughts though, I don't know for sure.

[tonight...you]

Is it more exhausting though? Rather than chasing guys off-ball, he's using the strength in his chest to be a wall against bigs. Seems chasing guys would tire your legs more and affect you more overall than stopping a big with your strength. Just my thoughts though, I don't know for sure.
Good point. Probably both tiring in different ways though.

[NASpurs]

Is it more exhausting though? Rather than chasing guys off-ball, he's using the strength in his chest to be a wall against bigs. Seems chasing guys would tire your legs more and affect you more overall than stopping a big with your strength. Just my thoughts though, I don't know for sure.

Yeah that’s why I’m not hard on KJ when his shot isn’t falling because we all know he’s busting his ass on defense and if your legs go, so does your shot. It’s also why I want Vassell to start and Lonnie to come off the bench but that’s just me.

[Mugen]

Weird how playing the guys that are doing well that game during the 4th qtr led to a victory.

[wildbill2u]

Sugus: Some good points although going to Lonnie isn't the full answer. When the vets show they aren't playing well take them all out and mix and match the youngsters. We're gonna lose some games anyway, so show different looks with the rest of the bunch and try to run at every opportunity. Might win some games by running teams into the ground by the 4th quarter. Not many teams can run for 48 minutes and the more superstar vets with some miles on them are in the game, the more their legs start to go. You have to get someone like LeBron out of the game for as many minutes of rest as possible.

We ought to be the best conditioned team in the NBA and play like it.

Returning to the movement and passing offense of 2015 would also help these young Spurs wear out the opponent.

[Blackhaus]

Those second units with Patty and Gay are just cringe worthy. They are so ball dominate and seem to force everything.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Pop needs to find a way to get Devin more PT, he needs more reps. He just has a knack for the ball, it seems that all the loose balls go his way. You can tell he knows he can make an impact on both sides of the court, has a very quiet confidence about him.

[KingKev]

Pop needs to find a way to get Devin more PT, he needs more reps. He just has a knack for the ball, it seems that all the loose balls go his way. You can tell he knows he can make an impact on both sides of the court, has a very quiet confidence about him.

Won’t happen this year unless we see more injuries. Hopefully we move on from DDR and Mills this offseason and he becomes the full time backup 2/3. At some point we need to rebalance this roster and exchange a guard or two for a perimeter 3/4 and a big. Not holding my breath given PATFO’s recent ineptness in doing anything but scout.

[RC_Drunkford]

Is it more exhausting though? Rather than chasing guys off-ball, he's using the strength in his chest to be a wall against bigs. Seems chasing guys would tire your legs more and affect you more overall than stopping a big with your strength. Just my thoughts though, I don't know for sure.

have you ever played basketball? Guarding in the post is a wrestling match, that shit is tiring as hell

[Dejounte]

have you ever played basketball? Guarding in the post is a wrestling match, that shit is tiring as hell

Yes, I play and running around is tiring as hell too, especially full court.

[tonight...you]

Yes, I play and running around is tiring as hell too, especially full court.
Like I said: tiring in different ways.

[RC_Drunkford]

Yes, I play and running around is tiring as hell too, especially full court.

guarding a big is at least tiring the same way, especially when you undersized. You gotta take into account that fighting for position is the most important thing when guarding a big man, besides having to do the same when you are fighting for rebounds

[SpursDynasty85]

Is it more exhausting though? Rather than chasing guys off-ball, he's using the strength in his chest to be a wall against bigs. Seems chasing guys would tire your legs more and affect you more overall than stopping a big with your strength. Just my thoughts though, I don't know for sure.

yes it’s a lot more exhausting. If he was guarding AI he would probably switch on most the screens. And if he kept getting beat by Curry it would mostly be on the embarrassing/psychological side of getting beat up. Getting beat up in the paint and expecting to shoot some threes on the other end sounds tough too. . I like his drives to the paint but he needs to refine his perimeter skills for efficiency and longevity.

[Sugus]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1350860653284749320

For comparisons' sake:

In game 1 vs the Rockets, LaMarcus matched up against Wood for a total of 7 minutes and 27 seconds. Wood was able to shoot 10 times, and made six of them for a total of 17 points.

In game 2 vs the Rockets, Keldon matched up against Wood for a total of 6 minutes and 34 seconds. Wood was able to shoot five times, and made only one of them for a total of 6 points (4 points were from free throws).

https://www.nba.com/game/hou-vs-sas-0022000176/box-score#box-score

https://www.nba.com/game/hou-vs-sas-0022000189/box-score#box-score

It's too bad that the Spurs will probably end up with a record bad enough to overlook him, but Keldon should be getting some serious second team all-defense consideration. He can seriously guard 1-5 and hold his ground against most matchups, incredible versatility.

[Sugus]

Sugus: Some good points although going to Lonnie isn't the full answer. When the vets show they aren't playing well take them all out and mix and match the youngsters. We're gonna lose some games anyway, so show different looks with the rest of the bunch and try to run at every opportunity. Might win some games by running teams into the ground by the 4th quarter. Not many teams can run for 48 minutes and the more superstar vets with some miles on them are in the game, the more their legs start to go. You have to get someone like LeBron out of the game for as many minutes of rest as possible.

We ought to be the best conditioned team in the NBA and play like it.

Returning to the movement and passing offense of 2015 would also help these young Spurs wear out the opponent.

Agreed, and I hoped Pop would be on his "mad scientist" ways in regards to rotations this season, but he's disappointed me thus far. The vets play too much most games, and it's especially damaging when they clearly haven't brought it that night, but still are kept on the floor. I would love for the Spurs to play like you describe, but they've been underwhelming in terms of "running opponents out the gym", outside of the last Rockettes game when their rotation clearly wasn't up to par. At this point, another aspect preventing the Spurs to effectively play even more up-tempo is that they aren't very good at finishing plays in transition offense, often looking clueless or fumbling things up, so the increased pace and defensive stops here and there aren't always capitalized on.

Lastly, I don't think we have the personnel for the '14-15 kind of passing or motion offense. People really underrate how hard that kind of team game is to pull off, both needing multiple high IQ and pass first players, and also great coaching and offensive/defensive schemes that utilize the skillset of the players involved. I don't see DJ, Rudy, nor LMA, and to a lesser extent Lonnie, Keldon, being able to play and pass like that effectively. Who knows, maybe after Pop steps down, our next coach will try some of that... Crossing my fingers, but I don't see it (though I'd love it). The first thing we'd need to do to get on that track, would be sign or draft a high quality passing big to play in the high post, someone like Vucevic would be incredibly but obviously unrealistic to get.

[PrimeMinister]

Agreed, and I hoped Pop would be on his "mad scientist" ways in regards to rotations this season, but he's disappointed me thus far. The vets play too much most games, and it's especially damaging when they clearly haven't brought it that night, but still are kept on the floor. I would love for the Spurs to play like you describe, but they've been underwhelming in terms of "running opponents out the gym", outside of the last Rockettes game when their rotation clearly wasn't up to par. At this point, another aspect preventing the Spurs to effectively play even more up-tempo is that they aren't very good at finishing plays in transition offense, often looking clueless or fumbling things up, so the increased pace and defensive stops here and there aren't always capitalized on.

Lastly, I don't think we have the personnel for the '14-15 kind of passing or motion offense. People really underrate how hard that kind of team game is to pull off, both needing multiple high IQ and pass first players, and also great coaching and offensive/defensive schemes that utilize the skillset of the players involved. I don't see DJ, Rudy, nor LMA, and to a lesser extent Lonnie, Keldon, being able to play and pass like that effectively. Who knows, maybe after Pop steps down, our next coach will try some of that... Crossing my fingers, but I don't see it (though I'd love it). The first thing we'd need to do to get on that track, would be sign or draft a high quality passing big to play in the high post, someone like Vucevic would be incredibly but obviously unrealistic to get.

The 14 style beautiful game basketball that people latch onto (game 5 really) is largely unsustainable over the course of 48 minutes, and absolutely unsustainable over the course of a typical season. So much running, passing, cutting, moving, that requires so much focus and execution it would be impossible to do at a high level over the course of a season.

That being said- games like the Twolves loss where we stand around and look bewildered at a 3-2 zone and do nothing to probe the defense but pass the ball around the perimeter and dribble make me want to throw my phone out of the window.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/detnewsRodBeard/status/1350888942489497600?s=19

Where all our common fans at?

But no, go ahead, ignore what players have to actually say...

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/detnewsRodBeard/status/1350888942489497600?s=19

Where all our common fans at?

But no, go ahead, ignore what players have to actually say...

Most of this board is dumb casuals.

[jjspur]

Aldridge seems a bit disinterested (maybe its an injury or not in shape) but looks like he is waiting for the season to end so he can go back to Portland. We may not get much for him at this point (I'm thinking maybe 2 2nd round picks for a former all star) but a least his salary comes off the books and maybe do something with that.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Those second units with Patty and Gay are just cringe worthy. They are so ball dominate and seem to force everything.



you ain’t never lied those two be gunning like crazy. When they are hitting shots it’s tolerable but when they are off it is so damn ugly.

you can literally tell when Rudy has made up in his mind that he is going to shoot while watching the game. Lmao. If I can tell then I know the defense can also.

Sometimes though you need guys like that, especially with the young players rolling with them but they’ve gotten too shot happy so far this season. Maybe once they get more confidence in the other bench guys they will slow down a bit... hopefully

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

https://twitter.com/detnewsRodBeard/status/1350888942489497600?s=19

Where all our common fans at?

But no, go ahead, ignore what players have to actually say...

I remember after Kawhi won with Toronto one of the few good things he said about the Spurs and Pop was they helped him not skip steps in his process to becoming the player he is today. He had some of his most efficient seasons with the Spurs and even DeRozan is having some of his most efficient seasons with the Spurs.

the coaching staff outside of Pop sometimes being slow to trust young players know what they are doing and understand the impact a veteran can have in assisting the young players.

[Truckules]

Aldridge seems a bit disinterested (maybe its an injury or not in shape) but looks like he is waiting for the season to end so he can go back to Portland. We may not get much for him at this point (I'm thinking maybe 2 2nd round picks for a former all star) but a least his salary comes off the books and maybe do something with that.

I think he's out of shape considering he always seems to start seasons a little out of shape, and he's probably especially out of shape after not playing a game for 9 months. I think you hold onto him until he shows he's got value to a contender. You won't get anything for him while he's out of shape so why trade him now.

[Sugus]

The 14 style beautiful game basketball that people latch onto (game 5 really) is largely unsustainable over the course of 48 minutes, and absolutely unsustainable over the course of a typical season. So much running, passing, cutting, moving, that requires so much focus and execution it would be impossible to do at a high level over the course of a season.

That being said- games like the Twolves loss where we stand around and look bewildered at a 3-2 zone and do nothing to probe the defense but pass the ball around the perimeter and dribble make me want to throw my phone out of the window.

Agreed on both counts. People have way too high of an expectation for the team in terms of playstyle. Having said that, I'd love for the team to incorporate some actual structure, set plays, because those are the ones you pull out when the defense has adjusted to your drive-n-kick and your shots aren't dropping well enough to defeat the zone. Having a high post facilitator that can dish out to cutting players is something I've been wanting to see on the Spurs for a few years now, we really need that kind of passing big to unlock the athletic youngings' potential.

BRB, looking at next years' draft prospects... :downspin:

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/EvanClosky/status/1351239769737617409?s=19

[Darius Bieber]

Where's the GameThread for the game in 45 mins? I would make it but I'm still pinked

[SpurSpike]

Where's the GameThread for the game in 45 mins? I would make it but I'm still pinked

I was wondering as well, no one expects a 2:00 pm game on the weekdays i guess.