California Democrat floats $23 minimum wage

[ducks]

There goes the middle class

[InRareForm]

23 an hour is not middle class in California .

[ElNono]

23 an hour is not middle class in California .

this... might sound like a fortune for somebody in Yuma, though

[Spurtacular]

Are they going to float UBI for all the displaced workers too?

[pgardn]

There goes ? the middle class

they just now left...

What middle class duck of unlimited foolishness?

The bottom 50% of taxpayers in this country pay 3% of our federal taxes. The top 50% pay 97%

please explain to me where the middle class is in these statistics?

[DMC]

they just now left...

What middle class duck of unlimited foolishness?

The bottom 50% of taxpayers in this country pay 3% of our federal taxes. The top 50% pay 97%

please explain to me where the middle class is in these statistics?
That's so stupid but typical of something you'd say.

As of September 2018, though, Pew reported that 52% of American adults were in the middle class, according to 2016 income figures. There were 19% in the upper class and 29% in the lower class. According to Pew, the data suggest that the middle class has stabilized in size.Nov 20, 2019

[ducks]

I make more then 23 an hour in Yuma

[Reck]

I make more then 23 an hour in Yuma

“Fixing” computers and giving them more aids isn’t exactly a Money maker. You’re lying.

[pgardn]

That's so stupid but typical of something you'd say.

As of September 2018, though, Pew reported that 52% of American adults were in the middle class, according to 2016 income figures. There were 19% in the upper class and 29% in the lower class. According to Pew, the data suggest that the middle class has stabilized in size.Nov 20, 2019

So what is middle class Mr. Pew research?
what is upper class and what is lower class?

give us the definition from your reading.

Go

When the top 50% of taxpayers pay 97% of the taxes something is wrong.
And if you think this is normal and healthy you’re an idiot.

[ducks]

“Fixing” computers and giving them more aids isn’t exactly a Money maker. You’re lying.

Dude I have fixed computers in Yuma since 2000
I am damm good

[ElNono]

I make more then 23 an hour in Yuma

I make more than 23 an hour in California

[boutons_deux]

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-rent-by-state



https://advisorsmith.com/data/coli/

https://money.com/average-income-every-state-real-value/

$15/hour = $30K Gross

$23/hour = $46K Gross

$15 for the entire country is stupid, but Repugs love to screw blue cities where $15 is not sufficient

$15 should be the floor in poor (rural red regions) but hiked up in metro areas.

10Ms of people would come off public assistance, saving states $100Bs

[Leetonidas]

:lol I wonder what kind of braindead person hires ducks to fix his computer

[ducks]

I make more than 23 an hour in California

I would hope
So
!

[ducks]

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-rent-by-state



https://advisorsmith.com/data/coli/

https://money.com/average-income-every-state-real-value/

$15/hour = $30K Gross

$23/hour = $46K Gross

$15 for the entire country is stupid, but Repugs love to screw blue cities where $15 is not sufficient

$15 should be the floor in poor (rural red regions) but hiked up in metro areas.

10Ms of people would come off public assistance, saving states $100Bs
Why should blue cities have to have 15 dollars an hour !
Why do blue cities cost so much ?
Why ?

[pgardn]

Why should blue cities have to have 15 dollars an hour !
Why do blue cities cost so much ?
Why ?

why does Yuma cost so little?

[ducks]

Because democracts do not run it and give the money to illegals
And
Give inmates millions

[Spurminator]

Why should blue cities have to have 15 dollars an hour !
Why do blue cities cost so much ?
Why ?

Because people want to live there. It's basic supply and demand. On the other hand, no one wants to live in fucking Yuma which is why you can afford your two-bedroom townhome on the salary of a computer repairman with a second grade literacy level.

[DarrinS]

Are people under some impression that this doesn't vary by state?

[ducks]

Because people want to live there. It's basic supply and demand. On the other hand, no one wants to live in fucking Yuma which is why you can afford your two-bedroom townhome on the salary of a computer repairman with a second grade literacy level.

By house according to Zillow is worth 267k
1900 sq foot house and a swimming pool
Ducks love to go skinning dump

[Spurminator]

By house according to Zillow is worth 267k
1900 sq foot house and a swimming pool
Ducks love to go skinning dump

Am I supposed to be impressed by this?

Also, you realize you just gave a lot of detailed personal information on a website with people who enjoy doxxing people, right? Might want to rethink that.

[florige]

:lol I wonder what kind of braindead person hires ducks to fix his computer


I wouldn't doubt that he's probably really good at it, maybe he's borderline nuts but knows how to get someone's computer up and is nice about it,

[ducks]

I get older people requesting me to fix their computers at shop
Some want tell oct nov to have them fixed so ducks can fix them
I also fix some remotely if they need something and not in Yuma
May no it be good at English and typing but can fix computers !

[Spurminator]

May no it be good at English and typing but can fix computers !

Cool, stick to that. Steer clear of politics, you're not good at that either.

[ElNono]

By house according to Zillow is worth 267k
1900 sq foot house and a swimming pool
Ducks love to go skinning dump

I mean, I'm glad you've done well for yourself and not going to knock you on that, but 267k here is just the 20% downpayment for the mortgage, tbh

[Reck]

I wouldn't doubt that he's probably really good at it, maybe he's borderline nuts but knows how to get someone's computer up and is nice about it,


I get older people requesting me to fix their computers at shop
Some want tell oct nov to have them fixed so ducks can fix them
I also fix some remotely if they need something and not in Yuma
May no it be good at English and typing but can fix computers !

Nope. Ducks sounds like an Indian tech guy who promises to fix your perfectly fine computer for the fine fee of 500 dollars.

:lol his clientele are old people? This age group are the scammers target audience.

[Winehole23]

US workers been getting screwed for 55 years

https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/ia0aso1fR4A0/v0/1200x1140.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Timeline_of_federal_minimum_hourly_wage_for_nonfar m_workers_for_the_United_States._And_inflation-adjusted.gif

[Winehole23]

as others have inted out, one size fits all wages don't work because economic conditions are discontinuous from place to place.

https://cepr.net/this-is-what-minimum-wage-would-be-if-it-kept-pace-with-productivity/

[Xevious]

as others have inted out, one size fits all wages don't work because economic conditions are discontinuous from place to place.

https://cepr.net/this-is-what-minimum-wage-would-be-if-it-kept-pace-with-productivity/
Basically what I was going to say. Walmart and McDonalds can afford to pay their employees a livable wage. A locally-owned grocery store in Rural America probably cannot.

[pgardn]

Because democracts do not run it and give the money to illegals
And
Give inmates millions

no

it’s not a highly sought destination to live.

You have found a good in age, stay there. I think it’s cool that so many people continue using old computers so there is a supply for your services. Someday you could own a business that kids computers running for some of these very large financial institutions. Hold that thought and then discard it. Vanguard and the Bank of London will not be moving to Yuma

can ducks fly? or could you just migrate... you could rent a place in London Paris or New York and then just migrate back to Yuma for the weather and feeding. Or maybe you need to think like a condor and not like a duck?

[spurraider21]

I mean, I'm glad you've done well for yourself and not going to knock you on that, but 267k here is just the 20% downpayment for the mortgage, tbh
One of the benefits of my move tbh :lol

[boutons_deux]

https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/ia0aso1fR4A0/v0/1200x1140.png
what happened in mid '60s?

Revenue Act of 1964

In January 1963, Kennedy presented Congress with a tax proposal that would reduce the top marginal tax rate from 91 percent to 65 percent,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Act_of_1964

[Millennial_Messiah]

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-rent-by-state



https://advisorsmith.com/data/coli/

https://money.com/average-income-every-state-real-value/

$15/hour = $30K Gross

$23/hour = $46K Gross

$15 for the entire country is stupid, but Repugs love to screw blue cities where $15 is not sufficient

$15 should be the floor in poor (rural red regions) but hiked up in metro areas.

10Ms of people would come off public assistance, saving states $100Bs
:lmao just begging for hyperinflation. Your economics sense is retarded.

Smart move: Keep the $7.25 for the whole country, allow cities (not states though) to incorporate minimum wages. People can choose which cities to live and work in, but not always states. And definitely not on the federal level.

[Millennial_Messiah]

One of the benefits of my move tbh :lol

Plus VA state income tax is 5.75% compared to 13.3% in California.

Due to the extremely high COLA and state income tax, 23 an hour W2 might be a necessity in the big cities/big suburbs in CA (LA, SD, SF, OAK, SAC, etc) but shouldn't be statewide. Poor places like the CA-99 corridor, Porterville, etc would just get worse with a $23 an hour W2 minimum wage.

[spurraider21]

Plus VA state income tax is 5.75% compared to 13.3% in California.

Due to the extremely high COLA and state income tax, 23 an hour W2 might be a necessity in the big cities/big suburbs in CA (LA, SD, SF, OAK, SAC, etc) but shouldn't be statewide. Poor places like the CA-99 corridor, Porterville, etc would just get worse with a $23 an hour W2 minimum wage.
the taxes barely factor into the equation from my perspective. even if VA's state income tax was twice CA, it doesnt come near the difference in property value

[Millennial_Messiah]

the taxes barely factor into the equation from my perspective. even if VA's state income tax was twice CA, it doesnt come near the difference in property value

:lol if state income tax in Virginia was 26.6%, on top of your IRS and FICA (SS, Medicare) taxes; you'd definitely "feel it", tbh.

But yeah, the difference between a $900K 4bed/2.5 bath starter home in suburban SoCal / $1.3 million for the same in suburban Bay Area vs. $400-450K for the same in Virginia is a boon for relocating east.

The drawback is mainly felt this time of year though. No snow in Cali. No driving in ice in Cali. But hey, at least gas is cheap in Virginia!

[spurraider21]

:lol if state income tax in Virginia was 26.6%, on top of your IRS and FICA (SS, Medicare) taxes; you'd definitely "feel it", tbh.

But yeah, the difference between a $900K 4bed/2.5 bath starter home in suburban SoCal / $1.3 million for the same in suburban Bay Area vs. $400-450K for the same in Virginia is a boon for relocating east.

The drawback is mainly felt this time of year though. No snow in Cali. No driving in ice in Cali. But hey, at least gas is cheap in Virginia!
if the tradeoff for paying an additional 13% in income taxes was a can get a home for 1/3 or 1/4 of the price, i'd take that

[Millennial_Messiah]

if the tradeoff for paying an additional 13% in income taxes was a can get a home for 1/3 or 1/4 of the price, i'd take that

I think you can only write $10K in state and local income tax off your IRS taxes under the Trump 17-18 tax law

Hope Biden repeals it asap tbh.

I think people in VA/Michigan/PA/Wisconsin/Minnesota/Georgia felt the pain of that part of the Trump tax bill, as Will Hunting alluded to last year a few times, and that caused a lot of usual non voters and GOP voters in those states to vote against Trump in November.

[Brazil]

:lmao just begging for hyperinflation. Your economics sense is retarded.

Smart move: Keep the $7.25 for the whole country, allow cities (not states though) to incorporate minimum wages. People can choose which cities to live and work in, but not always states. And definitely not on the federal level.

:lol you should check what hyperinflation means tbh :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol you should check what hyperinflation means tbh :lol

Large scale inflation in any case. Inflation and Keynesian economics are 2 cancers that must be fought at this time even harder than the pandemic itself.

Trump did NOT do a good job and he proved himself to be just another Keynesian economist. I don't trust Biden to really do any better but at least it's good to get the orange man out.

[Winehole23]

Large scale inflation in any case. Inflation and Keynesian economics are 2 cancers that must be fought at this time even harder than the pandemic itself.

Trump did NOT do a good job and he proved himself to be just another Keynesian economist. I don't trust Biden to really do any better but at least it's good to get the orange man out.Keynesian spending is a tool in a toolbox.In a demand shock you need robust public spending to prevent debt-deflation and economic destruction. Right now it's a great idea.

[ElNono]

Keynesian spending is a tool in a toolbox.In a demand shock you need robust public spending to prevent debt-deflation and economic destruction. Right now it's a great idea.

:lol why are you discussing basic economics with Andy? It's clear he has no idea what he's talking about.

[Winehole23]

:lol why are you discussing basic economics with Andy? It's clear he has no idea what he's talking about.I like to set a marker next to that.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Keynesian spending is a tool in a toolbox.In a demand shock you need robust public spending to prevent debt-deflation and economic destruction. Right now it's a great idea.

Better to have deflation than inflation. I miss the 55 cent burgers from Jack in the Box (very early Obama admin era) and when the Dollar Menu was the Dollar Menu and not the Dollar Menu & More Menu. Also the 5 dollar footlongs and milk under $1.50 a gallon.

Also, interest rates must be raised, because right now buyers just don't have a chance to buy a house at a fair price. Responsible, low-risk savers don't even have an opportunity to earn interest on their hard-earned money in the bank. Just unfair.

As president I would set a mandatory Fed interest rate floor at 3% via executive order. We need more foreclosures and less irresponsible borrowing because right now there is almost zero inventory. Trump fucked up the economic cycle's natural ebb and flow because the natural ebb / trough was coinciding with his bid to get re-elected. Stupid stimulus crap. Trump is a hypocritical idiot

[Spurminator]

Basically what I was going to say. Walmart and McDonalds can afford to pay their employees a livable wage. A locally-owned grocery store in Rural America probably cannot.

With regard to McDonald's, I think this is also a big misconception.

Most McDonalds and other "corporate" restaurant chains that get used in these conversations are franchise based. While there are some restaurant groups that own hundreds or thousands of franchise locations, there are many other instances where the McDonald's you go to may be owned by some local guy. This is especially common in rural areas.

They pay Franchise dues and food costs, and they're often required to keep prices below a normal level of profitability because of requirements by the franchisor. And unless they're in a populous area, they might only bring in $5K-$10K of business a week, which is fine based on the cost of living in those places. But asking those people to pay their staff $23 an hour, or even $15 an hour, is ludicrous. At $23 an hour it's not unlikely they'd be paying a cook more than they make themselves. People love to say "Well if you can pay the CEO $23 bajillion dollars you can pay a dishwasher $23/hour" but those paychecks aren't coming from the same pool of money.

Meanwhile, we all love to talk about supporting local, but someone with enough expertise in food, marketing and branding, to start their own original restaurant concept is probably making a lot more money than your rural Dairy Queen owner in Gun Barrel City, TX (especially when they sell their restaurant concept to a larger firm).

[Spurminator]

There should be federal standards for minimum wage versus cost of living, but the actual amount should be determined by municipalities.

[spurraider21]

There should be federal standards for minimum wage versus cost of living, but the actual amount should be determined by municipalities.
yep

even $15/hour nationwide isn't good policy imo

[ElNono]

yep

even $15/hour nationwide isn't good policy imo

I don't know about that. There should be a floor, IMO. In an ideal world, you would index the minimum wage with inflation, otherwise, employees are always getting the short end of the stick.

[Millennial_Messiah]

yep

even $15/hour nationwide isn't good policy imo

Wish more democrats thought like you tbh.

Minimum wage should be jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Not state to state or especially at the federal level. I'm not a fan of any federal minimum wage, but keeping the $7.25 federal minimum is okay I guess.

But obviously in a place like San Francisco a $25/hour W2 minimum wage would make sense

[spurraider21]

I don't know about that. There should be a floor, IMO. In an ideal world, you would index the minimum wage with inflation, otherwise, employees are always getting the short end of the stick.
there should be a floor, but as spurminator pointed out, that floor could vary by locality. so the nationwide floor ideally would only be as high as the lowest locality. i dont know that $15/hr makes sense everywhere based on cost of living

[Will Hunting]

Letting each state/municipality set its own minimum wage would lead to slave labor in the dirty south. If the McDonalds franchise owner in Fucksville Texas is butthurt about a federal minimum wage, he should blame governor Hot Wheels and his state legislature. Their bad faith belief in a free market that drives wage growth is what creates the need for a federal minimum wage.

[ducks]

If you do not like the min wage in state move
Why the hell should the federal government be bigger ?

[spurraider21]

Letting each state/municipality set its own minimum wage would lead to slave labor in the dirty south. If the McDonalds franchise owner in Fucksville Texas is butthurt about a federal minimum wage, he should blame governor Hot Wheels and his state legislature. Their bad faith belief in a free market that drives wage growth is what creates the need for a federal minimum wage.
letting them set it is one thing... but having a federal standard which ties min wage to some cost of living index (with that index being by municipality) could work.

[Will Hunting]

letting them set it is one thing... but having a federal standard which ties min wage to some cost of living index (with that index being by municipality) could work.
Sure, but unfortunately when it starts getting complicated like that the GOP finds ways to juke the system. When one political party in a two party country is always acting in bad faith it makes things like what you’re describing impossible to implement.

[spurraider21]

Sure, but unfortunately when it starts getting complicated like that the GOP finds ways to juke the system. When one political party in a two party country is always acting in bad faith it makes things like what you’re describing impossible to implement.
yeah but hiking the min wages in backwoods rural areas to $15/hr isn't helping

[Will Hunting]

yeah but hiking the min wages in backwoods rural areas to $15/hr isn't helping
It’s $13.50 an hour now in Washington State, which outside of the greater Seattle MSA is mostly backwoods areas. The McDonalds franchises in those areas aren’t shutting down en masse last I checked.

[Spurminator]

I think we can all agree there should be a floor, and $7.25 ain't it. Perhaps another way to do it is to allow cost-of-living based exemptions in certain areas.

[ducks]

So I fixed a computer that 3 staple techs could not

[clambake]

So I fixed a computer that 3 staple techs could not

Put that on your resume, please

[BD24]

I imagine ducks company just keeps him in some back room. No sane company would allow him to interact with customers

[SnakeBoy]

So what is middle class Mr. Pew research?
what is upper class and what is lower class?

give us the definition from your reading.


I had this debate on here about a decade ago, that median income does not equal middle class. At the time I posited that middle class started somewhere close to $100k and most Americans were living below middle class and only able to maintain "middle class" lifestyle through debt accumulation. Libs on here called me an elitist richer :lol

[Splits]

So I fixed a computer that 3 staple techs could not

What was wrong with it?

[ducks]

Too much stuff disabled plus it was opening in a dos format
Plus needed windows updates
Computer was 7 months old

[ElNono]

there should be a floor, but as spurminator pointed out, that floor could vary by locality. so the nationwide floor ideally would only be as high as the lowest locality. i dont know that $15/hr makes sense everywhere based on cost of living

I don't disagree with this. But inflation, that liquidates the real value of minimum wage, happens nationwide. That 2% yearly, if you don't update the minimum wage, can build up to a chunk of change.

[ElNono]

Letting each state/municipality set its own minimum wage would lead to slave labor in the dirty south. If the McDonalds franchise owner in Fucksville Texas is butthurt about a federal minimum wage, he should blame governor Hot Wheels and his state legislature. Their bad faith belief in a free market that drives wage growth is what creates the need for a federal minimum wage.

Exactly. If it were up to Alabama, minimum wage would be $1/hour if you're white, 50c/hour if you're messican and 25c/hour if you're black, and minors over 14 years old can be employed.

[boutons_deux]

"+ If Biden signs the Raise the Wage Act (as he has pledged to do) in early February, the federal minimum wage won’t hit $15 until May 1, 2026."

https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/01/22/roaming-charges-new-days-old-ways/

give it 3 years, not 5, and indexed to inflation and prorated for CoL by region

[koriwhat]

$23hr is fine in LA rn considering no one is working and everything is closed down due to the China Virus. Lol

[boutons_deux]

Real and nominal value of the federal minimum wage in the United States from 1938 to 2019

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1065466/real-nominal-value-minimum-wage-us/

Note how in the mid-70s, to end the Golden Age of Labor '45-'75, the VRWC/oligarchy got organized and succeeded in oppressing Labor costs, right through to today.

[DMC]

So what is middle class Mr. Pew research?
what is upper class and what is lower class?

give us the definition from your reading.

Go

When the top 50% of taxpayers pay 97% of the taxes something is wrong.
And if you think this is normal and healthy you’re an idiot.

DoEs AnYtHiNg ReAlLy ExIsT!?!!!!!111

[DMC]

Exactly. If it were up to Alabama, minimum wage would be $1/hour if you're white, 50c/hour if you're messican and 25c/hour if you're black, and minors over 14 years old can be employed.

Minors over 14 can be employed now. When did that become illegal?

[DMC]

Don't care about minimum wage but whatever it is, I'm sure it won't be enough.

[ElNono]

Minors over 14 can be employed now. When did that become illegal?

There are some fairly severe restrictions in the number of hours/weeks they can work, especially when school is in session (that goes on until they're 16 y/o). Also, they're only allowed to work in non-agricultural jobs.

Which is the right thing to do.

[boutons_deux]

https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/sPjBbZyBg0ar6Otg3Q_Ed1CgLfA2xSEVHHW-gHgpdIEO4XSi5m63Sgi7ndp8j71cA49bSQA_MssdXQy7BAA1W-ce9zNZ_8mYs4eSiajXze3MRNhRa36ah2zAy2LHXQ-J8oYv5tqQjlszBIA9M32W2S39dSnJZA=s0-d-e1-ft#https://mcusercontent.com/ec2361f981a14ee1d45cccaa9/images/46ebc9d4-aa53-45fc-b985-963ec355037b.png

[Chucho]

When the poor stops spending overly-proportionate amounts of their income on luxury brands, specifically in essential items (clothing and tech specifically), will we fully be ready to discuss what a real minimum wage is and what and who it is designed for.

Muricans never stop crying about financial inequality. Muricans never stop spending and giving their monies to the rich. The rich don't get richer by fucking magic. The rich get richer because the typical just love having shit. Undeniable fact.

There's an issue with Murican's addiction to consumerism and we don't want to admit it. It's irrefutable to me and the poorest of the poor in this country still live better than the vast majority of the world.

Want to bridge the wealth gap? Step 1. Stop giving your money to the rich.

[spurraider21]

When the poor stops spending overly-proportionate amounts of their income on luxury brands, specifically in essential items (clothing and tech specifically), will we fully be ready to discuss what a real minimum wage is and what and who it is designed for.

Muricans never stop crying about financial inequality. Muricans never stop spending and giving their monies to the rich. The rich don't get richer by fucking magic. The rich get richer because the typical just love having shit. Undeniable fact.

There's an issue with Murican's addiction to consumerism and we don't want to admit it. It's irrefutable to me and the poorest of the poor in this country still live better than the vast majority of the world.

Want to bridge the wealth gap? Step 1. Stop giving your money to the rich.
start at 9:00


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-_A2yw4RPU

[spurraider21]

aaargg all these people buying lobster with foodstamps! and using child support money to get their nails done

[RandomGuy]

If you do not like the min wage in state move
Why the hell should the federal government be bigger ?

That would be kinda awesome.

Let each state pick their own, and let them find out what nobles found out at the end of feudalism.

[RandomGuy]

So I fixed a computer that 3 staple techs could not

Good on you. :tu

Not a high bar. No disrespect.

[Chucho]

start at 9:00


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-_A2yw4RPU

Det's ok.

High payroll writing staffs can't save every Jew comic.

[ElNono]

When the poor stops spending overly-proportionate amounts of their income on luxury brands, specifically in essential items (clothing and tech specifically), will we fully be ready to discuss what a real minimum wage is and what and who it is designed for.

Muricans never stop crying about financial inequality. Muricans never stop spending and giving their monies to the rich. The rich don't get richer by fucking magic. The rich get richer because the typical just love having shit. Undeniable fact.

There's an issue with Murican's addiction to consumerism and we don't want to admit it. It's irrefutable to me and the poorest of the poor in this country still live better than the vast majority of the world.

Want to bridge the wealth gap? Step 1. Stop giving your money to the rich.

Sorry, but this is a ridiculous argument Chucho... this is like saying the poor have it coming to them.

They're poor, they don't have the education (economic or otherwise) to deal with sharks everywhere throwing financial instruments at them. Eventually shit hits the fan, and they're still even more poor.

I'm not saying it's 100% the rich people's fault, but we do have a system that prays on the poor and makes sure they stay there.

[Isitjustme?]

$23 is absurd lmao

[Chucho]

Sorry, but this is a ridiculous argument Chucho... this is like saying the poor have it coming to them.

They're poor, they don't have the education (economic or otherwise) to deal with sharks everywhere throwing financial instruments at them. Eventually shit hits the fan, and they're still even more poor.

I'm not saying it's 100% the rich people's fault, but we do have a system that prays on the poor and makes sure they stay there.


Cause and effect. The poor don't have it coming to them, but they've nary a leg to stand on when they can't stop spending on shit they don't need.

You don't need a car payment or to spend 1/4th your rent budget on sneakers, etc. These comapnies aren't hurting whatsoever because their customer base isn't hurting whatsoever.

No need to go further, Nono. We don't see eye to eye on this. I feel our society, with the wealth of knowledge and information at it's immediate access doesn't have much excuse to shove accountability elsewhere when we just don't stop spending.

We're in denial and you can cite whatever studies and factors. Our poorest folk still live better than 75%+ of the world. We're fine compared to most.

[RandomGuy]

Cause and effect. The poor don't have it coming to them, but they've nary a leg to stand on when they can't stop spending on shit they don't need.

You don't need a car payment or to spend 1/4th your rent budget on sneakers, etc. These comapnies aren't hurting whatsoever because their customer base isn't hurting whatsoever.

No need to go further, Nono. We don't see eye to eye on this. I feel our society, with the wealth of knowledge and information at it's immediate access doesn't have much excuse to shove accountability elsewhere when we just don't stop spending.

We're in denial and you can cite whatever studies and factors. Our poorest folk still live better than 75%+ of the world. We're fine compared to most.

Problem isn't that making bad decisions causes you to be poor.

The problem is that being poor leads to bad decisions.

That is what we know about the cognitive burden that poverty places on people.

You have the causal relationship backwards, and that hampers your ability to get a good evidence-based policy that would stand a better chance of working.

[RandomGuy]

Cause and effect. The poor don't have it coming to them, but they've nary a leg to stand on when they can't stop spending on shit they don't need.

You don't need a car payment or to spend 1/4th your rent budget on sneakers, etc. These comapnies aren't hurting whatsoever because their customer base isn't hurting whatsoever.

No need to go further, Nono. We don't see eye to eye on this. I feel our society, with the wealth of knowledge and information at it's immediate access doesn't have much excuse to shove accountability elsewhere when we just don't stop spending.

We're in denial and you can cite whatever studies and factors. Our poorest folk still live better than 75%+ of the world. We're fine compared to most.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/11/your-brain-on-poverty-why-poor-people-seem-to-make-

Your Brain on Poverty: Why Poor People Seem to Make Bad Decisions
And why their "bad" decisions might be more rational than you'd think.

[boutons_deux]

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/11/your-brain-on-poverty-why-poor-people-seem-to-make-

Your Brain on Poverty: Why Poor People Seem to Make Bad Decisions
And why their "bad" decisions might be more rational than you'd think.

poor people don't waste their money, that racists like TSA, Chucho, etc propaganda.

poor people don't have the money to waste, after rent, food, basics like TV and smartphone

[ElNono]

Cause and effect. The poor don't have it coming to them, but they've nary a leg to stand on when they can't stop spending on shit they don't need.

You don't need a car payment or to spend 1/4th your rent budget on sneakers, etc. These comapnies aren't hurting whatsoever because their customer base isn't hurting whatsoever.

No need to go further, Nono. We don't see eye to eye on this. I feel our society, with the wealth of knowledge and information at it's immediate access doesn't have much excuse to shove accountability elsewhere when we just don't stop spending.

We're in denial and you can cite whatever studies and factors. Our poorest folk still live better than 75%+ of the world. We're fine compared to most.

I'll be happy if we can stop sending people down to the poverty pool for decisions they didn't make. I think that would be a good start, and a place we can probably find common ground.

For example, bankrupting families for ridiculous health bills (sometimes thousands of times over what Medicare pays for the same service) should be flat out eradicated. This is an area that I think affects just not the poor, but middle class as well.