Spurs might need to attach a 1st to offload LMA tbh

[kht]

Forget trying to get a young player for LMA (for a team wanting to win now) or trying to flip him for a 1st. The Spurs might be the ones needing to attach a 1st to get rid of him.

[Dejounte]

Such low effort posts. There's no need to offload LMA, he's a free agent this upcoming offseason

[Degoat]

Yeah you only trade him if you get some sort of asset back otherwise you let his contract end

[MultiTroll]

I said after one of his 56 point games of seasons ago was the time to unload.

Ya other GMs aren't fooled anymore and tonight might have been the tipper for any remaining who may be been buffaloed.

[TheGreatYacht]

Only contenders offload huge contracts :lol Spurs are better off taking more shit contracts and collecting picks like Presti

[John B]

F*ck right now I'll take the Magic mascot for Aldridge. And I hate the Magic mascot!

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

lol people continue to not understand how trades work.

[MultiTroll]

Unreal how many ways Zaza fucked us.

LMA was actually ok with Prime Kawhi holding his hand.

[Degoat]

Honestly, I hate to say this but the team does need to do a better job featuring him more. We have to get his trade value up

[TheGreatYacht]

Ship sailed on getting his value up :lol the whole world knew useless PATFO had to blow it up on draft night no matter what and they sat on their thumbs as per usual.

Don’t expect any movement at the deadline either. They’ll start some rumors up as they do every year, and they won’t do shit since they’re aiming for det 8th seed as they do every year. This front office is ran by fat satisfied morons.

[John B]

Ship sailed on getting his value up :lol the whole world knew useless PATFO had to blow it up on draft night no matter what and they sat on their thumbs as per usual.

Don’t expect any movement at the deadline either. They’ll start some rumors up as they do every year, and they won’t do shit since they’re aiming for det 8th seed as they do every year. This front office is ran by fat satisfied morons.

Aldridge was great against OKC. He can shoot outside and can rebound if he wants too. I don't know why Pop didn't have Demar set him up tonight like the other night, and could've pulled Wiseman and free up the lane for Keldon/Lonnie to attack.

[daslicer]

Spurs can't get anything good for him. They are just going to have to let his contract expire. What I wonder is where will LMA go this summer. I guess maybe he will get a reunion in Portland with Dame.

[TheGreatYacht]

Aldridge was great against OKC. He can shoot outside and can rebound if he wants too. I don't know why Pop didn't have Demar set him up tonight like the other night, and could've pulled Wiseman and free up the lane for Keldon/Lonnie to attack.
It usually takes Pop 2-3 years to realize shit, but he needs to stop having Aldridge shoot 3’s. He’s historically bad at it and should never attempt them if there’s more than 2 seconds on the shot clock. 3 of the last 4 years he’s shot sub .300 from that range. He’s at Westbrook levels of putrid.

Another thing that is damaging Aldridge’s trade value are his rebound numbers. The moronic defensive scheme Pop is running would cause Andre Drummond to average 8 boards a night instead of 15 :lol Aldridge is always on the perimeter because of switches that his defensive rebound opportunities have disappeared. He has 9 rebounds in the last 4 games and it isn’t even his fault.

[SpurPadre]

Ship sailed on getting his value up :lol the whole world knew useless PATFO had to blow it up on draft night no matter what and they sat on their thumbs as per usual.

Don’t expect any movement at the deadline either. They’ll start some rumors up as they do every year, and they won’t do shit since they’re aiming for det 8th seed as they do every year. This front office is ran by fat satisfied morons.

They didn't sit on their thumbs, though. They tried hard to get the #2 pick for LMA and were willing to take on Wiggins to make that happen. Can't blame them for Klay's injury.

[TheGreatYacht]

They didn't sit on their thumbs, though. They tried hard to get the #2 pick for LMA and were willing to take on Wiggins to make that happen. Can't blame them for Klay's injury.
Presti made 10 trades in one night and some players weren’t even there for 30 minutes. Enough excuses tbh. The rumors always leave fans with blue balls every single time. They just throw them around (always to Zach Lowe) to keep their sheep fans happy and thinking they’re trying.

[Thomas82]

They didn't sit on their thumbs, though. They tried hard to get the #2 pick for LMA and were willing to take on Wiggins to make that happen. Can't blame them for Klay's injury.

I wonder if the Warriors increased their asking price once Klay got injured, or if the injury just killed the trade altogether.

[spurraider21]

there's no real need to trade him just to dump him, he's expiring. trading him was worthwhile when we thought he could be used to get a real asset back. doesnt appear to be the case right now

[DeRozan m8]

24m for this heartless and effortless bullshit

It's almost fraud

[SpurPadre]

I wonder if the Warriors increased their asking price once Klay got injured, or if the injury just killed the trade altogether.

The things Kerr said yesterday and the way he kept name-dropping the Spurs and kept going back to how Klay's injury made them "reassess" their options make it seem like the injury killed the deal altogether. The one thing that wasn't mentioned was if Wiggins or our 1st pick was also involved in the potential deal but it was heavily implied that we would've acquired Wiseman while they took Aldridge. I mean, there's nothing they can do about it now but we can't say PATFO didn't try to make something happen. It was just some shitty luck that, might have hurt us more than it's hurt the Dubs.

[SpurPadre]

Presti made 10 trades in one night and some players weren’t even there for 30 minutes. Enough excuses tbh. The rumors always leave fans with blue balls every single time. They just throw them around (always to Zach Lowe) to keep their sheep fans happy and thinking they’re trying.

Steve Kerr pretty much admitted it was a done deal before the injury so it wasn't just a Zach Lowe or tspence false rumor.

[John B]

I wonder if the Warriors increased their asking price once Klay got injured, or if the injury just killed the trade altogether.
Maybe Giannis’ early signing the extension played a part also. I’m just speculating. I mean Aldridge’s expiring contract, unloading Wiggins could be enough to lure Giannis to play with Curry/Klay/Green. But Giannis signing, Thompson’s injury torpedoed that chance.

[TheGreatYacht]

Steve Kerr pretty much admitted it was a done deal before the injury so it wasn't just a Zach Lowe or tspence false rumor.
Must’ve missed it, was it recent?

[SpurPadre]

Must’ve missed it, was it recent?

Yesterday on the local Dubs station. I would post an archive of the interview but it's not available unfortunately. I was listening to it on my way home from work.

[poopbox]

As far as the aldridge to GS rumors, one of their beat writers said the only thing left was for the warriors to feel like the guy that they wanted at 11 would be there. He said if the warriors felt like whoever that player was, was going to be their at 11, they were going to do no 2 and Wiggins for no 11 and LMA, but while they were doing that research Klay got hurt, and at that point they knew they were not going to be a serious contender now or maybe even going forward, so that was the end of that.

Remember the warriors are also holding that twolves pick that unless it is top 3 gives them a 1st rounder this year, and if it is top 3, it's unprotected next year, so before klay got hurt they had always planned to trade their own pick for something else

[cd021]

The ship has definitely sailed on moving Aldridge imo. His value isn't likely to recover enough for a good team to justify finding the matching salary to acquire him at this point. He'd likely be on the team for the entire season, DeRozan too, but for different reasons. Obviously, Spur's aren't going to pay to unload Aldridge, for several reasons.

Still think Gay and Mills are likely to get moved though, possibly as a package deal .

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How quickly the board forgets we were 0-3 without him. When he's on, this team is one of the best in the League as they've demonstrated with wins at LAC and LAL.

I don't know why he has these games except that he used to go down on the block when his jumper was off and get himself to the FT line and get himself going. Now, for whatever reasons (deference to others, game plan,etc), he no longer does so. Which is how he goes 2-8 with 4 pts.

To me it's evidence that he needs to be more involved, not less.

[KingKev]

How quickly the board forgets we were 0-3 without him. When he's on, this team is one of the best in the League as they've demonstrated with wins at LAC and LAL.

I don't know why he has these games except that he used to go down on the block when his jumper was off and get himself to the FT line and get himself going. Now, for whatever reasons (deference to others, game plan,etc), he no longer does so. Which is how he goes 2-8 with 4 pts.

To me it's evidence that he needs to be more involved, not less.

Spurs one of the best in the league? You are dreaming. LMA is dogsh!t. The only reason we are 0-3 without him is because him and Jakob are our only (marginally) serviceable bigs. When the argument for LMA is that Aldridge is > Eubanks and Lyles time to rethink your strategy PATFO.

[Thomas82]

The things Kerr said yesterday and the way he kept name-dropping the Spurs and kept going back to how Klay's injury made them "reassess" their options make it seem like the injury killed the deal altogether. The one thing that wasn't mentioned was if Wiggins or our 1st pick was also involved in the potential deal but it was heavily implied that we would've acquired Wiseman while they took Aldridge. I mean, there's nothing they can do about it now but we can't say PATFO didn't try to make something happen. It was just some shitty luck that, might have hurt us more than it's hurt the Dubs.

It clearly hurt us more than them.

[Thomas82]

Maybe Giannis’ early signing the extension played a part also. I’m just speculating. I mean Aldridge’s expiring contract, unloading Wiggins could be enough to lure Giannis to play with Curry/Klay/Green. But Giannis signing, Thompson’s injury torpedoed that chance.

That's also a good point. Just bad luck all around for the Spurs.

[Thomas82]

Yesterday on the local Dubs station. I would post an archive of the interview but it's not available unfortunately. I was listening to it on my way home from work.

Maybe I'll look to see if I can find something this weekend if I get time. I would like to listen to it myself.

[RD2191]

How quickly the board forgets we were 0-3 without him. When he's on, this team is one of the best in the League as they've demonstrated with wins at LAC and LAL.

I don't know why he has these games except that he used to go down on the block when his jumper was off and get himself to the FT line and get himself going. Now, for whatever reasons (deference to others, game plan,etc), he no longer does so. Which is how he goes 2-8 with 4 pts.

To me it's evidence that he needs to be more involved, not less.

:lol solid trolling

[KingKev]

Maybe Giannis’ early signing the extension played a part also. I’m just speculating. I mean Aldridge’s expiring contract, unloading Wiggins could be enough to lure Giannis to play with Curry/Klay/Green. But Giannis signing, Thompson’s injury torpedoed that chance.

Pipedream. They have ~100mm locked up in those three and no assets to attach in a sign and trade outside of draft capital. Draymond would have to be moved for the scenario to play out. I truly doubt the Warriors were dumb enough to take LMA on and in hindsight was the right move. Wiggins is playing decent ball this year and Wisemen looks legit. Also Pop would never fleece his dear buddy Steve Kerr. It’s not “Spurs culture”

[KobesAchilles]

That's too short term in thinking. We still need a replacement for LMA and the draft might be where we decide to go for that route. But it does beg the question, how much do the Spurs care about draft picks going forward? We need to play some vets if we want to win. I can't think of a contender that really doesn't have an all star vet on it. Youth is good, but too much youth is equally as dangerous. There needs to be that balance, but I have no idea what to do with this roster going forward into next year.

[GreekSpursfan]

We're just gonna ride them till the end of the season because no one will give anything for them. Hopefully next season will be a tanking season to end our stupid pursue of the 7th-8th seed.

[cd021]

We're just gonna ride them till the end of the season because no one will give anything for them. Hopefully next season will be a tanking season to end our stupid pursue of the 7th-8th seed.


The way I figure it, the Spurs probably would finish as the 9th or 10th seed if they stay put. I think Aldridge stays because teams probably aren't willing to trade for Aldridge but DeRozan, Gay and Mills are still viable as trade options. I still think Mills and Gay get moved, possibly together, in a move that nets them a first.

[Sugus]

That's too short term in thinking. We still need a replacement for LMA and the draft might be where we decide to go for that route. But it does beg the question, how much do the Spurs care about draft picks going forward? We need to play some vets if we want to win. I can't think of a contender that really doesn't have an all star vet on it. Youth is good, but too much youth is equally as dangerous. There needs to be that balance, but I have no idea what to do with this roster going forward into next year.

The Spurs have always been pretty conservative in terms of trading away draft picks, and now that not only the long-term, but also short-term future is a question mark, I can't imagine they'll be too free-willing in regards to trades that involve shipping out their picks. At most, I see them attaching a second as a way to sweeten some kind of deal, perhaps something like Gay and a second for whatever prospect at the deadline.

In terms of the vet-younging balance, tbh, I think they've done a pretty solid job this season. Everyone's freaking out over the GSW loss (not that I'm happy myself), but it's still a learning experience for the young players, and exactly the way most of us saw this season going: the team won't be good enough to make the PO's, we'll get a late lottery pick, and get rid of some bad contracts in the off-season. Whatever we do with that cap space, I don't know, but I'd say things are going quite well so far. If only the core played more consistently...

The only hope for next season is that the cap space isn't wasted on more useless vets. There's good vets, and bad vets, and our team is full of the latter, IMO. We should be able with that money to command older players that can both be teachers to our young players, and also actually contribute to good team ball and wins, instead of calling their own shot every time they're on the floor, á la Chucky Mills.

[MannyIsGod]

The problem is the Spurs are obviously not tanking. They are trying to compete for a playoff spot, and the area of need is the exact position Aldridge plays. How are you going to trade Aldridge to a team and get back a better option that makes the team better? In that sense, OP is right, in that if the Spurs expect to trade him and get a better asset they will have to include a pick or some other asset. But it makes zero sense for the Spurs to do that, unless you are getting markedly better and I don't think that trade is out there. At this pinot, the Spurs are likely to play out the season and hope that he plays at a relatively usable level in order to make it into the playoffs. Its likely that Lamarcus is still better than what he's shown in the past couple of games, but I do think he's probably washed at this point. The defense is better with Poetl in there, but its not like Poetl makes it easy for them to trade LMA. He's got issues of his own including his inability to not foul.

Spurs are fucked right now in the front court and are best off just waiting for the offseason to try to fix that. I don't think there is a reasonable trade to be had that makes you a better team for just LMA.

[KobesAchilles]

The Spurs have always been pretty conservative in terms of trading away draft picks, and now that not only the long-term, but also short-term future is a question mark, I can't imagine they'll be too free-willing in regards to trades that involve shipping out their picks. At most, I see them attaching a second as a way to sweeten some kind of deal, perhaps something like Gay and a second for whatever prospect at the deadline.

In terms of the vet-younging balance, tbh, I think they've done a pretty solid job this season. Everyone's freaking out over the GSW loss (not that I'm happy myself), but it's still a learning experience for the young players, and exactly the way most of us saw this season going: the team won't be good enough to make the PO's, we'll get a late lottery pick, and get rid of some bad contracts in the off-season. Whatever we do with that cap space, I don't know, but I'd say things are going quite well so far. If only the core played more consistently...

The only hope for next season is that the cap space isn't wasted on more useless vets. There's good vets, and bad vets, and our team is full of the latter, IMO. We should be able with that money to command older players that can both be teachers to our young players, and also actually contribute to good team ball and wins, instead of calling their own shot every time they're on the floor, á la Chucky Mills.
It's interesting how Pop has coached this team. We have nothing but chuckers as Vets on our team and yet everyone is eating. It's not really returning to the beautiful game and ball movement centric either. We just increased our pace an absurd amount and have gotten 5 more shots per game than last year. It's definitely a way to solve issues as far as playing a buncha chuckers. But what about when White comes back...

Also I like the combination this year, but I haven't rally looked into next year FAs and who we can get. I think letting go of Gay,LMA, and Patty would be beneficial for us going forward. I'm pretty pleased with Demar and wouldn't mind re-signing him. I hope we lose Lyles as well and hit on another gem in the draft while signing good FA. Not much to ask for :lol

[Joseph Kony]

LMA is trash but a large expiring contract has value in itself, Spurs would not need nor should they attach anything to dump LMA at the deadline. Hopefully Boston gets desperate and Spurs just trade him as I think they might have a trade exception large enough to absorb his contract without sending anything else back

[PrimeMinister]

attaching a draft pick to an expiring contract is like paying your landlord extra and saying keep the change

[KingKev]

LMA is trash but a large expiring contract has value in itself, Spurs would not need nor should they attach anything to dump LMA at the deadline. Hopefully Boston gets desperate and Spurs just trade him as I think they might have a trade exception large enough to absorb his contract without sending anything else back

Why would we trade him for solely a TPE we won’t ever use? Cap space isn’t an issue for us. Getting nothing in return isn’t exactly consistent with this teams goal of competing for the 8th seed.

[Joseph Kony]

Why would we trade him for solely a TPE we won’t ever use? Cap space isn’t an issue for us. Getting nothing in return isn’t exactly consistent with this teams goal of competing for the 8th seed.

To dump LMA tbh. addition by subtraction. he is clearly a hinderance to the team. i'd rather start Turtle and give the backup minutes to Gay/Eubanks or find a euro off the scrap heap than keep watch LMA chuck soft jumpers while doing absolutely nothing else for 30 minutes a night

[Rummpd]

Should have traded a year ago but this FO has failed miserably.

[TD 21]

Nah, but only because he's expiring. The ship has obviously sailed on being able to command so much as a middling return though. Since they won't receive anything worthwhile, unless he requests a trade intertia will win out.

I still think he can be useful into his late 30s in the right context (better shape, not going 9 months between games, further removed from shoulder surgery, contender or pseudo one, etc.), but he'll probably retire in short order.

It's difficult to find a sensible fit going forward and even then, he'd probably have to accept Spurs version of Gasol's role for the MLE. He doesn't seem the type who'd do that for a bunch of years.

[KingKev]

I fully expect PATFO to offer him his “spurs culture” loyalty contract; 2 years 30mm guaranteed but we will buy him out for 90 cents on the dollar when he proves to be absolutely useless ala Paul Gasol, leaving him well positioned to ring chase with a rival.

[TimDunkem]

Ship sailed on getting his value up :lol the whole world knew useless PATFO had to blow it up on draft night no matter what and they sat on their thumbs as per usual.

Don’t expect any movement at the deadline either. They’ll start some rumors up as they do every year, and they won’t do shit since they’re aiming for det 8th seed as they do every year. This front office is ran by fat satisfied morons.

Finally some truth bombs in this part of the forum.

[Em-City]

I think it's great to learn that he's washed before screwing up next season's roster by extending him on a Pau-style contract.

Contenders were never going to give up meaningful assets for LA once the season was under way.

[Dverde]

LMA isn’t washed or trash. He just doesn’t fit well with this team. He still carries the team offensively on occasions, but he also causes us to lose other games. I really see him as a neutral presence considering there is no one better to offload his minutes. Poodle, Lyles are also inconsistent and Luka can’t even get on the court yet.

[KingKev]

LMA isn’t washed or trash. He just doesn’t fit well with this team. He still carries the team offensively on occasions, but he also causes us to lose other games. I really see him as a neutral presence considering there is no one better to offload his minutes. Poodle, Lyles are also inconsistent and Luka can’t even get on the court yet.

He is both washed and trash, additionally he is a perennial loser. Has not given this organization anything and only smiles when he scores 25 regardless of the team outcome. Samaki Walker, Charles Smith, JR Reid and Cherokee Parks are all synonymous with LMA in the Spurs history book; USELESS.

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He is both washed and trash, additionally he is a perennial loser. Has not given this organization anything and only smiles when he scores 25 regardless of the team outcome. Samaki Walker, Charles Smith, JR Reid and Cherokee Parks are all synonymous with LMA in the Spurs history book; USELESS.

He carried the team for 2 years, Pop and Manu have said as much. He can still be a good player for this team in the right circumstances.

[Leetonidas]

LMA isn’t washed or trash. He just doesn’t fit well with this team. He still carries the team offensively on occasions, but he also causes us to lose other games. I really see him as a neutral presence considering there is no one better to offload his minutes. Poodle, Lyles are also inconsistent and Luka can’t even get on the court yet.

He doesn't fit well because he doesn't try hard at all. So either he's washed and athletically doesn't have it or he just doesn't give a fuck. He looks pretty lazy out there most days. And I don't recall him carrying the offense for us really, he got hot hitting jumpers the other day and then I think he had a solid game against LAC. Can't remember him doing much else this year so far. I know it's early but his effort levels are really pathetic out there

[MannyIsGod]

The Spurs aren't going to dump him. They will only make a trade if it gives the team a better shot to win. Are you guys not paying attention? This team is clearly trying to make the playoffs. They are not going to trade pieces to just tank. This team would have be completely out of the hunt come March and considering they are above 500 now there's very little chance of that happening.

[buttsR4rebounding]

LA almost always starts slow because he plays himself into shape. I expect Aldridge’s game to gradually get better over the next 10 games. I predict he will be playing his best ball as we approach the trade deadline. Of course, that will mean the Spurs will be in the playoff hunt and there won’t be a trade anyway.

[poopbox]

He carried the team for 2 years, Pop and Manu have said as much. He can still be a good player for this team in the right circumstances.

The problem is that the one circumstance in which LMA can be a successful player for us, when we just dump the ball down to him and he is just a straight isolation post scorer, is a circumstance we are not going to return to by virtue of LMA literally being the only person on the entire team who benefits from that style of play.

You can have some really great ice cream in the fridge but if you are lactose intolerant what good is that ice cream doing you ?

[JeffDuncan]

Is anybody on this forum able to read a calendar? Aldridge was born in 1985. In NBA terms he is old. As in "old." Comprende?

LMA is close to the end of his NBA career. He is never again going to be the player he was 10 years ago. Not a chance.

He's at an age when the brain says "Go!" and the body replies "Huh? Who, me?" Remarks about motivation or laziness or attitude are just stupid, ignorant drivel. There's no psychological change that will make LMA 25 years old again.

Guys, LMA is O L D. Got it?

The real failure here is the neglect, and irresponsibility, of the Popovich front office to have a replacement for LMA in development for the last 2 or 3 years. What will be done about the situation now, as long as Pop is in charge? Nothing.

LMA's trade value is zip. He might retire at the end of this season. Hell, he might retire tomorrow. If LMA were on some other team the Spurs could be the dumb suckers who would trade for him. Think Demarre Carroll.

The smart move would be to trade DDR for some kind of LMA replacement. That won't happen, with Pop in charge. Pop likes to come off as some kind of progressive with his politics, but in basketball terms he's so conservative, when he appears on the sideline during games he should have a pigeon perched on his head.

Do not give up a draft pick to move LMA. That would be stupid. Sheer lunacy. Giving up draft picks as a team gets older is not a strategy that's going to work out. Because you need those draft picks for younger players. To replace the old ones. Duh.

[look_at_g_shred]

Outside of that Portland game (which I think he was trying to showcase himself) he's looked unathletic and not interested. In his mind, he's already out. But yeah unless spurs are getting some asset in a trade for him, you let the contract play out. Last thing we need is to lose draft capital AND take on salary.

[LeBowen]

Outside of that Portland game (which I think he was trying to showcase himself) he's looked unathletic and not interested. In his mind, he's already out. But yeah unless spurs are getting some asset in a trade for him, you let the contract play out. Last thing we need is to lose draft capital AND take on salary.

He had Kanter's corpse guarding him that game.

He's soon to be 36, can't expect anything from a guy who was never quick on his feet to begin with. The only way I can see Spurs getting a pick for him is if they take a bad contract. Noone's giving us a first for expiring, 36 year old LMA.

[R. DeMurre]

The entire concept of this thread is absurd. When was the last time the Spurs gave up a first round pick for anything? They're notoriously stingy-- maybe even to a fault-- with their first round picks. There's absolutely zero chance the Spurs would attach a first round pick to an LMA trade unless it was bringing back a legit difference making starter.

[CGD]

I’d be happy to do LMA + lotto protected 2023 1st for Miles Turner.

[Degoat]

The entire concept of this thread is absurd. When was the last time the Spurs gave up a first round pick for anything? They're notoriously stingy-- maybe even to a fault-- with their first round picks. There's absolutely zero chance the Spurs would attach a first round pick to an LMA trade unless it was bringing back a legit difference making starter.

That question made me think about when the last time the spurs traded a 1st round pick lmao I think it was when they traded for Kurt Thomas :lol

[Seventyniner]

That question made me think about when the last time the spurs traded a 1st round pick lmao I think it was when they traded for Kurt Thomas :lol

The Spurs gave up a first in 2012 to the Warriors to dump a year of RJ's contract, taking back Stephen Jackson. The Warriors ended up getting the #30 pick and took Festus Ezeli.

Tomas Satoransky, Jae Crowder, Draymond Green, and Khris Middleton were all taken in the 31-39 range so the Spurs might have gotten a good player with that pick, but there is no way to know.

[Degoat]

The Spurs gave up a first in 2012 to the Warriors to dump a year of RJ's contract, taking back Stephen Jackson. The Warriors ended up getting the #30 pick and took Festus Ezeli.

Tomas Satoransky, Jae Crowder, Draymond Green, and Khris Middleton were all taken in the 31-39 range so the Spurs might have gotten a good player with that pick, but there is no way to know.

ahhh good call I forgot about RJ for Stephen Jackson lol

[BackHome]

Is anybody on this forum able to read a calendar? Aldridge was born in 1985. In NBA terms he is old. As in "old." Comprende?

LMA is close to the end of his NBA career. He is never again going to be the player he was 10 years ago. Not a chance.

He's at an age when the brain says "Go!" and the body replies "Huh? Who, me?" Remarks about motivation or laziness or attitude are just stupid, ignorant drivel. There's no psychological change that will make LMA 25 years old again.

Guys, LMA is O L D. Got it?

The real failure here is the neglect, and irresponsibility, of the Popovich front office to have a replacement for LMA in development for the last 2 or 3 years. What will be done about the situation now, as long as Pop is in charge? Nothing.

LMA's trade value is zip. He might retire at the end of this season. Hell, he might retire tomorrow. If LMA were on some other team the Spurs could be the dumb suckers who would trade for him. Think Demarre Carroll.

The smart move would be to trade DDR for some kind of LMA replacement. That won't happen, with Pop in charge. Pop likes to come off as some kind of progressive with his politics, but in basketball terms he's so conservative, when he appears on the sideline during games he should have a pigeon perched on his head.

Do not give up a draft pick to move LMA. That would be stupid. Sheer lunacy. Giving up draft picks as a team gets older is not a strategy that's going to work out. Because you need those draft picks for younger players. To replace the old ones. Duh.

Amen Brother - Keeping It Real

[weeks]

I agree that none of this is LMAs fault at all. One of the only courted free agents to sign in SA, took second string to kawhi, earned his teammates respect, dragged us to the playoffs.
He ain't perfect but we've signed a lot worse

[cd021]

I’d be happy to do LMA + lotto protected 2023 1st for Miles Turner.
Both teams definitely say no to that tbh.

DeRozan for Turner and McDermott would be a more likely trade but Turner's definitely raised his value so that probably wouldn't be enough.

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The problem is that the one circumstance in which LMA can be a successful player for us, when we just dump the ball down to him and he is just a straight isolation post scorer, is a circumstance we are not going to return to by virtue of LMA literally being the only person on the entire team who benefits from that style of play.

You can have some really great ice cream in the fridge but if you are lactose intolerant what good is that ice cream doing you ?

He's been the team's leading scorer four times. And missed 3 games. Out of 15 games. And he's still getting his old ass legs and shoulders underneath him. Again, he can play, and has played efficiently in the up tempo sets. But if his outside shot isn't working he needs to be able to go down in the box to get himself going or he just needs to sit because having him struggle offensively is in nobody's interest.

[duncan2k5]

We need to trade DDR and LMA before they get injured and we are stuck with them...

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LMA far from washed. He's just not consistent. May have been his best all around game tonight, thus far this season. Thought he did some good help defense tonight. Set some great screens.

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Both teams definitely say no to that tbh.

DeRozan for Turner and McDermott would be a more likely trade but Turner's definitely raised his value so that probably wouldn't be enough.

That's not bad, but the LeVert acquisition (despite his durability issues) probably ends any hope it might otherwise have had.

[CGD]

Both teams definitely say no to that tbh.

DeRozan for Turner and McDermott would be a more likely trade but Turner's definitely raised his value so that probably wouldn't be enough.

So be it. Do that trade, and send LMA for BOS for a top 18 protected 1st.

[cd021]

That's not bad, but the LeVert acquisition (despite his durability issues) probably ends any hope it might otherwise have had.
Yeah, adding Levert makes adding DeMar more unlikely for Indy.

If they thought want to use DeMar in a similar role to how he's used here, in a Holiday, Brogdan, Levert, DeMar, Sabonis type of lineup, however, that adds more ball-handling and play-making, then that could make some sense.

[cd021]

So be it. Do that trade, and send LMA for BOS for a top 18 protected 1st.

Don't know if they'd want Aldridge, but maybe.

I've been thinking that Mills and Gay for Langford, Ojele and their 2021 1st rounder could work.

They upgrade their rotation with two good vets while the Spurs get a first and a flyer on Langford--their 2019 first who has yet to really play.

[CGD]

Yeah, adding Levert makes adding DeMar more unlikely for Indy.

If they thought want to use DeMar in a similar role to how he's used here, in a Holiday, Brogdan, Levert, DeMar, Sabonis type of lineup, however, that adds more ball-handling and play-making, then that could make some sense.

Then there is this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/tonyeast/2021/01/20/new-pacers-guard-caris-levert-remaining-positive-despite-the-discovery-of-a-small-mass-on-his-left-kidney/amp/

Apparently as part of the physical they found a mass in LaVert’s kidney requiring him to be out in definitely. Hopefully it’s nothing serious
bc that stuff is scary.

[CGD]

Don't know if they'd want Aldridge, but maybe.

I've been thinking that Mills and Gay for Langford, Ojele and their 2021 1st rounder could work.

They upgrade their rotation with two good vets while the Spurs get a first and a flyer on Langford--their 2019 first who has yet to really play.

I just don’t know what BOS expects to get from that TPE. I think what you suggest (multiple players) makes sense. I see rumbling of Aaron Gordon, but again what moves the needle for Orlando from their current roster? Smart, Nesmith? I don’t know and Ainge doesn’t seem like the type to want to cough up picks. LMA could be good there, and I don’t think the Spurs would ask for much (plus I think they’d like to give LMA a chance to join a club making a deep run).

It’s true they can use it for a play ahead of the next draft, but they can no longer count on their hoard of assets anymore to sweeten the pot for a trade. Aside from their two, again, their pieces dont really more the needle.

[cd021]

Then there is this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/tonyeast/2021/01/20/new-pacers-guard-caris-levert-remaining-positive-despite-the-discovery-of-a-small-mass-on-his-left-kidney/amp/

Apparently as part of the physical they found a mass in LaVert’s kidney requiring him to be out in definitely. Hopefully it’s nothing serious
bc that stuff is scary.

True, Levert's a big question mark. Had they not acquired him, I think DeRozan might've been an option for them. He still could be in theory and I think Indy is likely to move on from Turner at some point. Trading a big for a wing is probably how'd they do it if they were to move on for Turner.


I just don’t know what BOS expects to get from that TPE. I think what you suggest (multiple players) makes sense. I see rumbling of Aaron Gordon, but again what moves the needle for Orlando from their current roster? Smart, Nesmith? I don’t know and Ainge doesn’t seem like the type to want to cough up picks. LMA could be good there, and I don’t think the Spurs would ask for much (plus I think they’d like to give LMA a chance to join a club making a deep run).

It’s true they can use it for a play ahead of the next draft, but they can no longer count on their hoard of assets anymore to sweeten the pot for a trade. Aside from their two, again, their pieces dont really more the needle.

I don't think a star will be on the market for them so key role players make a lot of sense. I don't see the AG being an option for Boston and for Orlando for the reason that you said.

I do think that Ainge would be willing to trade a first however, as they still have three former 1st round picks in Williams, Nesmith and Pritchard all in the pipeline and all of their firsts going forward. Moving Ojele, Langford and a 2021 first-- which is probably going to around 25 for two good vets could definitely help them in their playoff run without hamstringing their future.


Aldridge for Theis and their 2021 first works too but I'm not sure that their looking to upgrade center. After all, they turned down a chance to get Myles Turner and instead signed Tristan Thompson. Aldridge has been all over the place, so that seems especially unlikely now.

[Slippy]

Is anybody on this forum able to read a calendar? Aldridge was born in 1985. In NBA terms he is old. As in "old." Comprende?

LMA is close to the end of his NBA career. He is never again going to be the player he was 10 years ago. Not a chance.

He's at an age when the brain says "Go!" and the body replies "Huh? Who, me?" Remarks about motivation or laziness or attitude are just stupid, ignorant drivel. There's no psychological change that will make LMA 25 years old again.

Guys, LMA is O L D. Got it?

The real failure here is the neglect, and irresponsibility, of the Popovich front office to have a replacement for LMA in development for the last 2 or 3 years. What will be done about the situation now, as long as Pop is in charge? Nothing.

LMA's trade value is zip. He might retire at the end of this season. Hell, he might retire tomorrow. If LMA were on some other team the Spurs could be the dumb suckers who would trade for him. Think Demarre Carroll.

The smart move would be to trade DDR for some kind of LMA replacement. That won't happen, with Pop in charge. Pop likes to come off as some kind of progressive with his politics, but in basketball terms he's so conservative, when he appears on the sideline during games he should have a pigeon perched on his head.

Do not give up a draft pick to move LMA. That would be stupid. Sheer lunacy. Giving up draft picks as a team gets older is not a strategy that's going to work out. Because you need those draft picks for younger players. To replace the old ones. Duh.

Read this folks.. he getting old. Also in loosen up and coast mode , cheating alot on D. That should change by the second half of season. Again because he getting old

[KingKev]

Read this folks.. he getting old. Also in loosen up and coast mode , cheating alot on D. That should change by the second half of season. Again because he getting old

Just in time for sure to miss out on both the playoffs and trading him.

[CGD]

True, Levert's a big question mark. Had they not acquired him, I think DeRozan might've been an option for them. He still could be in theory and I think Indy is likely to move on from Turner at some point. Trading a big for a wing is probably how'd they do it if they were to move on for Turner.



I don't think a star will be on the market for them so key role players make a lot of sense. I don't see the AG being an option for Boston and for Orlando for the reason that you said.

I do think that Ainge would be willing to trade a first however, as they still have three former 1st round picks in Williams, Nesmith and Pritchard all in the pipeline and all of their firsts going forward. Moving Ojele, Langford and a 2021 first-- which is probably going to around 25 for two good vets could definitely help them in their playoff run without hamstringing their future.


Aldridge for Theis and their 2021 first works too but I'm not sure that their looking to upgrade center. After all, they turned down a chance to get Myles Turner and instead signed Tristan Thompson. Aldridge has been all over the place, so that seems especially unlikely now.

All makes sense. My understanding was part of them passing on Turner was not wanting to tie up the long term money, and seeing a thin trade market if they needed to flip Turner subsequently. Anyway, lots has changed there in terms of Turners performance, but LMA would give them options (move on/resign cheap with bird rights).

We’ll see what happens. The more they get crushed by Embid the better for us :-)

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Yeah, adding Levert makes adding DeMar more unlikely for Indy.

If they thought want to use DeMar in a similar role to how he's used here, in a Holiday, Brogdan, Levert, DeMar, Sabonis type of lineup, however, that adds more ball-handling and play-making, then that could make some sense.

Too small, plus Warren will be back at some point.

[cd021]

All makes sense. My understanding was part of them passing on Turner was not wanting to tie up the long term money, and seeing a thin trade market if they needed to flip Turner subsequently. Anyway, lots has changed there in terms of Turners performance, but LMA would give them options (move on/resign cheap with bird rights).

We’ll see what happens. The more they get crushed by Embid the better for us :-)

Maybe, though Boston apparently wanted a first plus Turner and McDermott in an S&T for Hayward. Sounds like they didn't really value him at all.

Aldridge does a good job defensively, in the post, historically. If they don't think Theis and Thompson can cut it then maybe they do search for a center. Aldridge is the most talented available but that doesn't mean that they'd be interested.

Though they could probably re-sign him on the relative cheap if they were to trade for him.

[cd021]

Too small, plus Warren will be back at some point.

Forgot about TJ Warren. Still think they'd move Turner for a wing, at some point, or at least a more modern four, given the direction of the league.

[KingKev]

Maybe, though Boston apparently wanted a first plus Turner and McDermott in an S&T for Hayward. Sounds like they didn't really value him at all.

Aldridge does a good job defensively, in the post, historically. If they don't think Theis and Thompson can cut it then maybe they do search for a center. Aldridge is the most talented available but that doesn't mean that they'd be interested.

Though they could probably re-sign him on the relative cheap if they were to trade for him.

What would Aldridge solve against Philly? Just 6 more fouls on Embiid, certainly isn’t stopping him as he is a horrible defender these days. No way Boston gives up an asset for LMA, they would entertain part of their TPE and a second I suspect. If they actually thought he could add value they’ll be able to sign him for probably half the MLE come the offseason.

[mo7888]

What would Aldridge solve against Philly? Just 6 more fouls on Embiid, certainly isn’t stopping him as he is a horrible defender these days. No way Boston gives up an asset for LMA, they would entertain part of their TPE and a second I suspect. If they actually thought he could add value they’ll be able to sign him for probably half the MLE come the offseason.

He actually defends Embiid pretty well because it's mostly a physical match up and LMA doesn't have to guard in space.. I'm not sure how much Boston would value thst though because he's a poor match up against most of the other teams in the East.

[KingKev]

They haven’t played in over a year and Embiid dominated LMA both meetings last season. Embiid is having an MVP caliber season and LMA looks the worst he has ever looked on the defensive end currently.

[mo7888]

Aldridge only played in one game against Embiid last season (nov 2019) and he did well in an 11 point loss. He held him to 21 points and scored 17 himself. The other game against Philly last season lma was out and Poeltl was the starter.

[KingKev]

Aldridge only played in one game against Embiid last season (nov 2019) and he did well in an 11 point loss. He held him to 21 points and scored 17 himself. The other game against Philly last season lma was out and Poeltl was the starter.

Held him to 9-13 shooting! The game before that Embiid went off for 33. My point is that no one who has watched a Spurs game this year sees LMA as a Jokic/AD/Embiid stopper. He may have had some success in the past but but he is now 36, coming off shoulder surgery, out of shape and on a fast decline. He might give you one good defensive effort per 7game series.

[KingKev]

Aldridge only played in one game against Embiid last season (nov 2019) and he did well in an 11 point loss. He held him to 21 points and scored 17 himself. The other game against Philly last season lma was out and Poeltl was the starter.

Go back to the score Embiid dropped 21 and 14 boards in 28 minutes on 9-13 shooting. Horford has 18 and Tobias Harris had 26. Aldridge had an efficient 17 points and 6 boards but in 36 minutes. Hard to argue Aldridge held his own.

[mo7888]

Go back to the score Embiid dropped 21 and 14 boards in 28 minutes on 9-13 shooting. Horford has 18 and Tobias Harris had 26. Aldridge had an efficient 17 points and 6 boards but in 36 minutes. Hard to argue Aldridge held his own.

I think that it's pretty easy to argue that Aldridge did better against Embiid than anybody the Celtics have on their roster. Obviously he's not as good as Embiid (few are) but from the Celtics perspective its about closing the gap and how much that's worth to them.

[KingKev]

I think that it's pretty easy to argue that Aldridge did better against Embiid than anybody the Celtics have on their roster. Obviously he's not as good as Embiid (few are) but from the Celtics perspective its about closing the gap and how much that's worth to them.

If he could get back into game shape and accept a backup role he could add value. I can’t see him swallowing his pride and taking that role on however. His body language in games he doesn't get 15 shots up is very telling.

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Forgot about TJ Warren. Still think they'd move Turner for a wing, at some point, or at least a more modern four, given the direction of the league.

Given that J. Holiday, a scrawny 2.5, has often masqueraded as a modern four with Warren out, turning Turner into one has to be the plan, but it's easier said than done considering many teams need a modern four, while few need a five and the ones that are probably searching (Nets, Hornets, Raptors) aren't a match.

[mo7888]

If he could get back into game shape and accept a backup role he could add value. I can’t see him swallowing his pride and taking that role on however. His body language in games he doesn't get 15 shots up is very telling.

That could be for sure... he wouldn't be main guy for them...he'd be a role player... that's what he'll be anywhere next year too...so maybe he can embrace it now in return for a chance to compete for a championship.