Franz Wagner - 2021 NBA Draft Prospect

[Dejounte]

Aside from our obvious needs at the 4 spot, I found my sleeper pick for the 2021 draft.

Measured at 6'9 5/8" in shoes and weighs 226 lb.

He's a big wing and if Keldon Johnson is the long-term solution at the 4, Franz could be the player who could enable that. (or maybe Franz could play 4?)

Franz is a smart defensive IQ player, rivaling Devin Vassell. Do we all agree we need more 'heads up' defense that Devin has displayed thus far?

He's comparable to Deni from last year's draft, except projects to be a better shooter.

Displays EXCELLENT vision, and rarely turns the ball over. His passing has shades of Manu Ginobili.

Currently slotted in the second round, but I predict he will be a big riser in the draft. Hopefully will not be before the Spurs pick (likely mid-first).

https://twitter.com/BrandonSimberg/status/1350904888553857024

https://twitter.com/7_Ft_Schnitzel/status/1349370303777017858

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1346830428053889025

https://twitter.com/CSayf23/status/1349471556922171395

https://twitter.com/eric_shap/status/1346096041725194240


CIwKEzolf8s

https://www.mlive.com/resizer/rktMBMO1mg3ZIIEiWLMQjsmy1bg=/450x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/JCZFMYCQJRCKNFJO54PV4HZ27I.jpg

He's a 3 level scorer (can score near the rim, mid-range, and 3's):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpBDWJAZ3no


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83b7agElJx0

If we don't trade up into the top 10 to nab Jalen Johnson or Scottie Barnes, Franz is my guy.

Notable quote:


He wants to be one of the best two-way players in college basketball (https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2020/04/franz-wagner-wants-to-be-one-of-college-basketballs-best-and-juwan-howard-thinks-he-can.html). “When he has a goal, he’ll do anything to get there,” his brother said. “When you live with him for three months, you can tell. It’s crazy.”

https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2020/11/franz-wagner-stronger-taller-and-primed-for-a-big-season-for-michigan-basketball.html

Franz' college stats compared to Khris Middleton and Devin Vassell:

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=franz-wagner--khris-middleton--devin-vassell

Murray/ Tre Jones
Vassell/ White/ Q
Keldon/ Lonnie/ KBD
Wagner/ Matthew Hurt
Poetl/ Eubanks

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Really like him, reminds me of Joe Ingles and is currently projected as a 2nd rounder, although I'm sure he'll end up somewhere in the 1st.

[mo7888]

Aside from our obvious needs at the 4 spot, I found my sleeper pick for the 2021 draft.

Measured at 6'9 5/8" in shoes and weighs 226 lb.

He's a big wing and if Keldon Johnson is the long-term solution at the 4, Franz could be the player who could enable that. (or maybe Franz could play 4?)

Franz is a smart defensive IQ player, rivaling Devin Vassell. Do we all agree we need more 'heads up' defense that Devin has displayed thus far?

He's comparable to Deni from last year's draft, except projects to be a better shooter.

Displays EXCELLENT vision, and rarely turns the ball over. His passing has shades of Manu Ginobili.

Currently slotted in the second round, but I predict he will be a big riser in the draft. Hopefully will not be before the Spurs pick (likely mid-first).

https://twitter.com/BrandonSimberg/status/1350904888553857024

https://twitter.com/7_Ft_Schnitzel/status/1349370303777017858

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1346830428053889025

https://twitter.com/CSayf23/status/1349471556922171395

https://twitter.com/eric_shap/status/1346096041725194240




https://www.mlive.com/resizer/rktMBMO1mg3ZIIEiWLMQjsmy1bg=/450x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/JCZFMYCQJRCKNFJO54PV4HZ27I.jpg

He's a 3 level scorer (can score near the rim, mid-range, and 3's):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpBDWJAZ3no


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83b7agElJx0

If we don't trade up into the top 10 to nab Jalen Johnson or Scottie Barnes, Franz is my guy.

Notable quote:



https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2020/11/franz-wagner-stronger-taller-and-primed-for-a-big-season-for-michigan-basketball.html

Franz' college stats compared to Khris Middleton and Devin Vassell:

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=franz-wagner--khris-middleton--devin-vassell

I'm a fan honestly... he'd fit great... also, I wouldn't be opposed to his brother as a backup 5 off the bench to spread the court in certain situations backing up Poeltl. You could play Mo or Drew depending on the match up off the bench.

[J_Paco]

Aside from our obvious needs at the 4 spot, I found my sleeper pick for the 2021 draft.

Measured at 6'9 5/8" in shoes and weighs 226 lb.

He's a big wing and if Keldon Johnson is the long-term solution at the 4, Franz could be the player who could enable that. (or maybe Franz could play 4?)

Franz is a smart defensive IQ player, rivaling Devin Vassell. Do we all agree we need more 'heads up' defense that Devin has displayed thus far?

He's comparable to Deni from last year's draft, except projects to be a better shooter.

Displays EXCELLENT vision, and rarely turns the ball over. His passing has shades of Manu Ginobili.

Currently slotted in the second round, but I predict he will be a big riser in the draft. Hopefully will not be before the Spurs pick (likely mid-first).

https://twitter.com/BrandonSimberg/status/1350904888553857024

https://twitter.com/7_Ft_Schnitzel/status/1349370303777017858

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1346830428053889025

https://twitter.com/CSayf23/status/1349471556922171395

https://twitter.com/eric_shap/status/1346096041725194240


CIwKEzolf8s

https://www.mlive.com/resizer/rktMBMO1mg3ZIIEiWLMQjsmy1bg=/450x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/JCZFMYCQJRCKNFJO54PV4HZ27I.jpg

He's a 3 level scorer (can score near the rim, mid-range, and 3's):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpBDWJAZ3no


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83b7agElJx0

If we don't trade up into the top 10 to nab Jalen Johnson or Scottie Barnes, Franz is my guy.

Notable quote:



https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2020/11/franz-wagner-stronger-taller-and-primed-for-a-big-season-for-michigan-basketball.html

Franz' college stats compared to Khris Middleton and Devin Vassell:

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=franz-wagner--khris-middleton--devin-vassell

Murray/ Tre Jones
Vassell/ White/ Q
Keldon/ Lonnie/ KBD
Wagner/ Matthew Hurt
Poetl/ Eubanks

This kid will likely be available in the second round or go undrafted, so no need for the Spurs to even think about wasting a 1st-round pick on him.

Needs to improve his shooting and we'll need to see if he can defend either NBA - level 3's or 4's.

Could be sleeper pickup as role-player that can provide depth especially if they move on (hopefully) from DeMar and/or Rudy.

[Dejounte]

This kid will likely be available in the second round or go undrafted, so no need for the Spurs to even think about wasting a 1st-round pick on him.

Needs to improve his shooting and we'll need to see if he can defend either NBA - level 3's or 4's.

Could be sleeper pickup as role-player that can provide depth especially if they move on (hopefully) from DeMar and/or Rudy.

Yeaaaaaah, I don't think so. Sig bet? You realize his shooting numbers aren't bad? That his free throw percentage is really high which is an indication of good shooting ability?

What more does the kid need to prove on defense?

Your quick dismissal of him reeks of little research.

If Bolmaro, Payton Pritchard, Desmond Bane, and probably several others can jump to the 1st round, Franz certainly will.

So far, players mocked in mid to late first round don't look like anything better than what Franz looks to be. Tell me, which 30 to 50 players you think are better than Franz? What metrics did you use?

Tell me how someone like Roko looks better than Franz? Kai Jones? Like I said, he's putting up similar or better numbers than past lottery prospects.

[BackHome]

I really like him he doesn’t jump out at you but he does everything good he scores he defends he gets you rebounds and he even gets ya blocks and steals. I think he might move to a late first round but I don’t see him moving to a mid first.

If we don’t end up tanking I think will probably be picking around 13 to 18 where I see is taking:
Corey Kispert SF 6’7 - Instant Offense - 3 point shooter we really need one
Day’Ron Sharpe C 6’11 - Tough Defender
Greg Brown PF 6’9 - Tough Defender with a little Offense

If we somehow trade one of our Vets for a late first I would look at:
Frank Wagner SF 6’8 - All around good player
Ron Harper SF 6’6 - A bigger Keldon?

Second Round:
Alperen Sengun PF 6’9 - Good player
Jalen Wilson SF 6’8 - Could become a good 3 point shooter

A question I have would you use a first on Keyontae Johnson if his medicals/heart clear?

[mo7888]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nba/2021/01/20/nba-mock-draft-2021-latest-first-round-projections

#13 in the SI mock

[Dejounte]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nba/2021/01/20/nba-mock-draft-2021-latest-first-round-projections

#13 in the SI mock

Wow, I'm always ahead of the curve. :hat

13. Grizzlies: Franz Wagner, F, Michigan

Height: 6' 9" | Weight: 220 | Age: 19 | Sophomore

Pegged as a potential breakout coming into the season, Wagner has stepped his game up in a meaningful way on a very good Michigan team. What’s impressive is that he’s done it without hijacking the offense or dominating the ball. Of course, Wagner is the younger brother of Wizards center and former Michigan star Moritz Wagner, and after a somewhat slow adjustment as a freshman, he’s begun to deliver on the hype that followed him from Germany to the United States. Wagner has been quite good on both ends of the floor, with a well-rounded floor game and a surprisingly disruptive impact on defense, showing off great anticipation skills and quick hands to block shots and force turnovers. He looks like the type of big forward who can blend lineups with playmaking and feel. Though he’s only shooting 32% from three, given he’s always been a good free throw shooter, there’s not too much concern about the long-term health of his jumper. Wagner looks the part as a top 20 prospect and should continue playing his way into late lottery consideration if all goes well.

Memphis has drafted well over the past couple of years and would add another versatile piece in Wagner who fits their timeline and can accent Ja Morant.

[Dejounte]

I really like him he doesn’t jump out at you but he does everything good he scores he defends he gets you rebounds and he even gets ya blocks and steals. I think he might move to a late first round but I don’t see him moving to a mid first.

If we don’t end up tanking I think will probably be picking around 13 to 18 where I see is taking:
Corey Kispert SF 6’7 - Instant Offense - 3 point shooter we really need one
Day’Ron Sharpe C 6’11 - Tough Defender
Greg Brown PF 6’9 - Tough Defender with a little Offense

If we somehow trade one of our Vets for a late first I would look at:
Frank Wagner SF 6’8 - All around good player
Ron Harper SF 6’6 - A bigger Keldon?

Second Round:
Alperen Sengun PF 6’9 - Good player
Jalen Wilson SF 6’8 - Could become a good 3 point shooter

A question I have would you use a first on Keyontae Johnson if his medicals/heart clear?

Main thing I'm looking for this year is lateral quickness and length. If we had a four that can cover ground quickly and provide some interior defense / weakside blocking, it would be huge for this team. I also looked to see if that four can shoot 3s. Franz seems to cover all these areas.

If / when we have that four, then I'll look at rim rolling bigs in the second round. Seems there's plenty of those in this draft. If not a rim rolling big, then a pure shooting big... I've been looking at Matthew Hurt and the guy looks great.

[Dejounte]

Also, when I watch these guys, I pay attention to their role on defense. If that big just hovers around the paint, it's a big red flag for me. When I looked through the prospects, it seems most of the bigs are like this. To me, those guys won't be any better than the bigs we have now. If they're not accustomed to switching in college, they have little hope in the NBA. They won't do much better than Lyles, IMO. Need someone quicker than Lyles.
BackHome

[Dejounte]

Imagine if we had this kind of defense playing alongside Murray, White, Keldon, and Vassell...

https://i.ibb.co/pn1vPws/VID-20210121-125755.gif

https://i.ibb.co/LP1PyNG/VID-20210121-125925.gif

Here he is covering a guard:

https://i.ibb.co/jW3YKjs/VID-20210121-125957.gif


https://i.ibb.co/tXvKG9D/VID-20210121-130151.gif


Can cover ground quick:

https://i.ibb.co/nzm5tdb/VID-20210121-130229.gif

Again, that lateral quickness:

https://i.ibb.co/b60Bh4J/VID-20210121-130314.gif


No easy shots:

https://i.ibb.co/BcLJ7js/VID-20210121-130412.gif

https://i.ibb.co/BZSW4FF/VID-20210121-130435.gif

[The Truth #6]

Good find. I can see him at the 4. Keldon at the 3 makes sense to me longterm once we get an actual power forward.

[BackHome]

Man I was just thinking the same thing Dejounte as far as how good the defense would be one thing is that I miss from the old Spurs is how solid and tough they were on defense. It's definitely going to be interesting on who we pick in the next draft as I said I have my favs but also understand players move up and down so will wait and see but definitely Frank is someone to keep and eye out and due to his skills and age he just might fight his way to mid first.

This is why I was really hoping we could move one of our Vets for a late first I think we would probably come away with a possible first string starter and a good bench player lots of talent in this draft. I agree with you a lot of these bigs in the mocks are camping in the paint and definitely seem more as old school centers vs new fast outside shooting/guarding centers.

[Atl Spur]

This man puts forth effort! I like him.......

[Uriel]

Imagine if we had this kind of defense playing alongside Murray, White, Keldon, and Vassell...

https://i.ibb.co/pn1vPws/VID-20210121-125755.gif

https://i.ibb.co/LP1PyNG/VID-20210121-125925.gif

Here he is covering a guard:

https://i.ibb.co/jW3YKjs/VID-20210121-125957.gif


https://i.ibb.co/tXvKG9D/VID-20210121-130151.gif


Can cover ground quick:

https://i.ibb.co/nzm5tdb/VID-20210121-130229.gif

Again, that lateral quickness:

https://i.ibb.co/b60Bh4J/VID-20210121-130314.gif


No easy shots:

https://i.ibb.co/BcLJ7js/VID-20210121-130412.gif

https://i.ibb.co/BZSW4FF/VID-20210121-130435.gif
I mean, there’s already a guy on our roster who does all those things. His name is Jacob Turtle.

[BackHome]

Poodle - SMH - I don’t think I have seen a guy shoot so many air balls since I watched my Sisters Middle school basketball game. And you know the bad thing is that I think Poodle has started to infect other players with the Air Ball virus.

[Dejounte]

I mean, there’s already a guy on our roster who does all those things. His name is Jacob Turtle.

Sure, but he can't play forward and he can't shoot.

[Dejounte]

Watched some of Michigan's game tonight against Perdue. Franz is utilized so much as a point forward, and he excels at it. I don't see limited ballhandling, he secures the ball really well. He made some nifty passes and showed he can finish with either hand. I'll upload some clips tomorrow.

[RC_Drunkford]

Looks like typical Spurs pick. We all know Pop loves white big men

[Blackhaus]

Lack of athleticism comes to mind watching him and will be worse in the nba. Wouldn’t mind him as a second rounder though but looks like maybe the hype train will get him into the first. Prob be a good glue guy.
Why was Mathew Hurt in your projected lineup? Dude is trash, can score a little in college but is a terrible defender, terrible.

[mo7888]

Lack of athleticism comes to mind watching him and will be worse in the nba. Wouldn’t mind him as a second rounder though but looks like maybe the hype train will get him into the first. Prob be a good glue guy.
Why was Mathew Hurt in your projected lineup? Dude is trash, can score a little in college but is a terrible defender, terrible.

He's already projected to be a late lottery pick.

[Dejounte]

Ahhh the typical white guy ain't athletic line. just because he doesn't jump out of the gym doesn't mean he's not athletic. He looks strong and he's fast. In a way, he's athletic in the same vein as White. Athleticism is more than just hops. It's not like Vassell's super athletic either.

[Dejounte]

"I’ve always been a big believer that every team needs a star," Martelli said. "Every team needs a star. Yes, we’re balanced. Close to five guys averaging double figures and will end up at the end of the season in that area. We could end up with six guys averaging double figures. When you’re on the road, when you’re in the battles and when you get a little blood on your lip, which we will get. Who’s the guy? To me, it’s Franz. I think that you saw that certainly at Nebraska. He’s the one, to me, with a really good team, I think that these guys are really, really talented. Really balanced, really connected. Somebody has to walk into every gym and think that they’re the toughest gunfighter in the West. To me, it’s Franz."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/college/michigan/Article/michigan-wolverines-basketball-phil-martelli-franz-wagner-star-maryland-158001002/Amp/

Michigan has a 13-1 record.

[Dejounte]

"When God blesses you with the height of 6-10 and can move the way he can move out there on the floor, God darn it, you better use it," Washington said with a laugh. "He’s very much a student of the game, soaks up everything that you try to coach him up to do, and you just love guys like that. And you go out on the floor and apply those things. He’s been very serious from the start about making some steps forward on both sides of the ball coming into this season."

Washington believes that Wagner's increased production is not only giving himself a renewed sense of confidence, but it can give the Maize and Blue another gear, one they'll need as Big Ten play progresses.

"He’s like, 'man, I can really get stops, I can really defend, I can really score the ball at all three levels.' And now, it’s fun to him, because he’s doing some things that he wasn’t doing previously, and now he’s seeing his game expand, and we’re the beneficiaries of it, because he has that giving spirit and because he’s willing to sacrifice and do it on both ends of the floor, he just wants to impact winning."

“Those blocks on their shooters, those blocks on protecting the basket, it was just inspiring,” Howard said. “His level of being locked on the attention to detail, locked in on the scouting report, studying his opponent, knowing their tendencies — the guy is an architect.”

https://michigan.rivals.com/news/franz-wagner-s-offseason-work-now-showing-up-giving-michigan-another-gear

[Dejounte]

Some vision:

https://i.ibb.co/CQpH1ds/VID-20210123-093706.gif

Heads up defense:

https://i.ibb.co/TkcdtSn/VID-20210123-093940.gif

Missed it, but shows his speed:

https://i.ibb.co/1M9bCD9/VID-20210123-094224.gif

Awesome defense:

https://i.ibb.co/SXvkw21/VID-20210123-094259.gif

More great vision:

https://i.ibb.co/WsDYz0B/VID-20210123-094347.gif

Shows how quick he is:

https://i.ibb.co/Kx0dLgR/VID-20210123-094408.gif

More vision:

https://i.ibb.co/gJQjhYS/VID-20210123-094530.gif

Speed:

https://i.ibb.co/8xJ2Hgj/VID-20210123-094627.gif

[mo7888]

"I’ve always been a big believer that every team needs a star," Martelli said. "Every team needs a star. Yes, we’re balanced. Close to five guys averaging double figures and will end up at the end of the season in that area. We could end up with six guys averaging double figures. When you’re on the road, when you’re in the battles and when you get a little blood on your lip, which we will get. Who’s the guy? To me, it’s Franz. I think that you saw that certainly at Nebraska. He’s the one, to me, with a really good team, I think that these guys are really, really talented. Really balanced, really connected. Somebody has to walk into every gym and think that they’re the toughest gunfighter in the West. To me, it’s Franz."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/college/michigan/Article/michigan-wolverines-basketball-phil-martelli-franz-wagner-star-maryland-158001002/Amp/

Michigan has a 13-1 record.

We sure could use a big dose of toughness...

[spurraider21]

those defensive highlights remind me of kirilenko

[RC_Drunkford]

if he's projected as a 2nd rounder that draft class is miles better than the last one

[Dejounte]

if he's projected as a 2nd rounder that draft class is miles better than the last one

He was after his slow start during the college season, he's amped it up a notch though.

[J_Paco]

Yeaaaaaah, I don't think so. Sig bet? You realize his shooting numbers aren't bad? That his free throw percentage is really high which is an indication of good shooting ability?

What more does the kid need to prove on defense?

Your quick dismissal of him reeks of little research.

If Bolmaro, Payton Pritchard, Desmond Bane, and probably several others can jump to the 1st round, Franz certainly will.

So far, players mocked in mid to late first round don't look like anything better than what Franz looks to be. Tell me, which 30 to 50 players you think are better than Franz? What metrics did you use?

Tell me how someone like Roko looks better than Franz? Kai Jones? Like I said, he's putting up similar or better numbers than past lottery prospects.

All those upperclassmen rose to the 1st round in a extremely weak class, while the 2021 class is said to be one of the best, deepest classes in years.

Again, this kid will likely be available in the 2nd round and if not, then no big deal. The Spurs need a possible superstar (soon) in the draft not another role-player with little upside.

If he's available in the early second round or goes undrafted then I'm all for him joining the team on a two-way deal. That way they can develop him and hopefully they have solid glue guy on their roster (which we also lack).

He is climbing up draft boards (mid to late 1st round) and is only 19 years old (will be 20 in August), but he definitely isn't what the team needs. Like I stated earlier, the team needs a prospect that has the potential to become a superstar and that is possible into the late lottery.

[Dejounte]

All those upperclassmen rose to the 1st round in a extremely weak class, while the 2021 class is said to be one of the best, deepest classes in years.

Again, this kid will likely be available in the 2nd round and if not, then no big deal. The Spurs need a possible superstar (soon) in the draft not another role-player with little upside.

If he's available in the early second round or goes undrafted then I'm all for him joining the team on a two-way deal. That way they can develop him and hopefully they have solid glue guy on their roster (which we also lack).

He is climbing up draft boards (mid to late 1st round) and is only 19 years old (will be 20 in August), but he definitely isn't what the team needs. Like I stated earlier, the team needs a prospect that has the potential to become a superstar and that is possible into the late lottery.

So, because he doesn't fit your idea of being a high ceiling prospect + you think this draft is loaded with players with star potential from 1 - 30, that's why you think he's a second rounder. Please name all the prospects projected between 15-30 that you think has star potential. Even in the best drafts, there are many high floor prospects, low ceiling types that get drafted in that range. Now I really think you're just pulling shit out of your ass. You haven't provided any basis either why Wagner can't become a star, other than say "he's not athletic enough".

It's not like the Spurs share your idea of drafting a high ceiling prospect either, we picked Vassell instead of the remaining players with high ceiling potential.

[Dejounte]

He's moved into the top 10 in another board:

Michigan sophomore Franz Wagner, younger brother of Washington Wizards big Moritz Wagner, has a very unique skill set who looked sharp for Alba Berlin and on the FIBA circuit for Germany before coming to the United States.

Still just 19 years old, Wagner fills the stat-sheet in several different aspects of the game as a 3-and-D option in the frontcourt with some ball-handling ability. He can score from all over the floor and he can also play well as a tertiary playmaker who rarely turns the ball over. As a defender, he leads the Big Ten in defensive win shares and defensive box plus-minus.

Overall, according to Bart Torvik, his box plus-minus ranks as the best mark among all sophomores.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/nba-mock-draft-big-board-cade-cunningham-top-prospects-sleepers

But nah, no star potential because J Paco says so.

[J_Paco]

So, because he doesn't fit your idea of being a high ceiling prospect + you think this draft is loaded with players with star potential from 1 - 30, that's why you think he's a second rounder. Please name all the prospects projected between 15-30 that you think has star potential. Even in the best drafts, there are many high floor prospects, low ceiling types that get drafted in that range. Now I really think you're just pulling shit out of your ass. You haven't provided any basis either why Wagner can't become a star, other than say "he's not athletic enough".

It's not like the Spurs share your idea of drafting a high ceiling prospect either, we picked Vassell instead of the remaining players with high ceiling potential.

Dude, it's okay if you like this kid. I just don't believe he's what the team needs and that is a kid with possible "superstar" upside.

He seems like he could be a solid glue guy or possibly a good starting 3/4. Most guys of his build and skillset without elite athleticism either flame out or are role players in the league (Sam Dekker, Doug McDermott, etc.).

And, again, the 2020 draft was historically weak and their 4 "better" fits (Williams, Advija, Wiseman & Smith) were off the board. I didn't like any of the prospects remaining more than Vassell.

I hope this kid pans out and becomes a better pro than his older brother, but he isn't they type of player we need until we find our next star (we have enough role players).

And I'm not gonna knock his game or over analyze a bunch match ups in January, when the big sites haven't given their in-depth mock drafts, yet. And March Madness and the combine could also play a part in how things are slotted. We'll see......

It's great that you are high on the kid, but I'd like a more athletic combo forward or an elite shooting wing instead. Kid is a jack of all trades, master of none type that isn't an elite shooter at the collegiate level nor an elite athlete.

[J_Paco]

He's moved into the top 10 in another board:

Michigan sophomore Franz Wagner, younger brother of Washington Wizards big Moritz Wagner, has a very unique skill set who looked sharp for Alba Berlin and on the FIBA circuit for Germany before coming to the United States.

Still just 19 years old, Wagner fills the stat-sheet in several different aspects of the game as a 3-and-D option in the frontcourt with some ball-handling ability. He can score from all over the floor and he can also play well as a tertiary playmaker who rarely turns the ball over. As a defender, he leads the Big Ten in defensive win shares and defensive box plus-minus.

Overall, according to Bart Torvik, his box plus-minus ranks as the best mark among all sophomores.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/nba-mock-draft-big-board-cade-cunningham-top-prospects-sleepers

But nah, no star potential because J Paco says so.

What is he elite at in college? He plays great defense at the college level, but that may not transfer to the NBA with much, much better athletes and competition.

Ball handling and playmaking are a plus, yet we have enough guys that can handle those duties for the time being. I hope you're right about him, but would prefer a better prospect on the Spurs.

[rah88sa]

Good catch on this kid, he's really flying up mocks now. On friday Tankathon had him at 44 and now he's sitting at 12. Do you think he has the strength to play the 4 full time?

[Dejounte]

Good catch on this kid, he's really flying up mocks now. On friday Tankathon had him at 44 and now he's sitting at 12. Do you think he has the strength to play the 4 full time?

I can't think of many PF's in today's game who impose their strength to gain the advantage on offense, so yes I think he has the strength. Only times we've seen bully ball from strong forwards were LeBron and Kawhi. I don't think there's anyone who can stop those guys anyway (though Keldon did an OK job). Last five PF's the Spurs have seen: Isaac Bonga, Luka Doncic (plays PG but pretty much was their biggest and most mobile player in line-ups), Draymond Green, Robert Covington, PJ Tucker.... I don't see how Wagner would be outmatched by these guys.

[pad300]

Dejounte, guys you might want to look for some footage on : Yoan Makoundou, Cholet Basket (France); Leo Menalo, Stella Azzuri (Italy)

[Dejounte]

If anyone wants to watch these players more closely and not be like those guys ( J_Paco ) who don't spend a minute watching guys to gather an informed opinion and instead compares players based on the color of their skin...

Here are full games to understand Wagner's impact on games:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIa55iXgdds

Compare and contrast with Scottie Barnes:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E37oRoOvS-4

Scottie was someone I was extremely high on early on in the process. After watching a couple full games, it is night and day between the basketball IQ of Scottie and Wagner. Scottie looks like current Lonnie Walker on offense: unimpactful when he doesn't have the ball in his hands, falls asleep on defense (caught him WAY out of position several times). It was disappointing to watch. His calling card is man to man defense, which I still think Wagner does a better job at. Scottie's got that KG presence on the court-- all bark, which makes him appear like he's got a big game to back it up but more often fails. I hope he can improve as the college season goes on, but it's not looking good.

[Dejounte]

Dude, it's okay if you like this kid. I just don't believe he's what the team needs and that is a kid with possible "superstar" upside.

He seems like he could be a solid glue guy or possibly a good starting 3/4. Most guys of his build and skillset without elite athleticism either flame out or are role players in the league (Sam Dekker, Doug McDermott, etc.).

And, again, the 2020 draft was historically weak and their 4 "better" fits (Williams, Advija, Wiseman & Smith) were off the board. I didn't like any of the prospects remaining more than Vassell.

I hope this kid pans out and becomes a better pro than his older brother, but he isn't they type of player we need until we find our next star (we have enough role players).

And I'm not gonna knock his game or over analyze a bunch match ups in January, when the big sites haven't given their in-depth mock drafts, yet. And March Madness and the combine could also play a part in how things are slotted. We'll see......

It's great that you are high on the kid, but I'd like a more athletic combo forward or an elite shooting wing instead. Kid is a jack of all trades, master of none type that isn't an elite shooter at the collegiate level nor an elite athlete.

The problem is/was never about whether you thinking he's a good fit on this Spurs team.

I am entirely focused on your comment saying 'he's a second rounder' or 'he will be undrafted'. It was nonsense.

And also, let's be real... if this was a black guy doing the same thing, you'd be high on him. His numbers and his play are both spectacular. Michigan is a top 3 college basketball team in the nation. This isn't about whether his athletic ability would translate, is it? I get it. The ratio of black stars to white stars is big. I don't look at color regardless. I spend hours on this because it's 1) fun for me and 2) I want to have a sincere look at their overall play instead of relying on my own preconceived notion of what a star looks like, what I read from scouting reports, or watching highlights.

[RC_Drunkford]

What is he elite at in college? He plays great defense at the college level, but that may not transfer to the NBA with much, much better athletes and competition.

Ball handling and playmaking are a plus, yet we have enough guys that can handle those duties for the time being. I hope you're right about him, but would prefer a better prospect on the Spurs.

I would understand if you had these concerns when he plays like that in high school, but college? If he plays great defense in college that should usually translate to the NBA

[J_Paco]

The problem is/was never about whether you thinking he's a good fit on this Spurs team.

I am entirely focused on your comment saying 'he's a second rounder' or 'he will be undrafted'. It was nonsense.

And also, let's be real... if this was a black guy doing the same thing, you'd be high on him. His numbers and his play are both spectacular. Michigan is a top 3 college basketball team in the nation. This isn't about whether his athletic ability would translate, is it? I get it. The ratio of black stars to white stars is big. I don't look at color regardless. I spend hours on this because it's 1) fun for me and 2) I want to have a sincere look at their overall play instead of relying on my own preconceived notion of what a star looks like, what I read from scouting reports, or watching highlights.

That was an error on my part based him not being on my radar (from the mocks I've seen before the season). That is a good thing to be wrong about and some guys play has them climb up draft boards. No biggie, really (especially when I stated I was incorrect in a previous post).

His rebounding, steals, blocks and advanced stats (or the ones you've posted) are all solid or great. The Spurs need more of a potential two - way monster at the 4. Or a versatile 3/4 with the shot creation and skillset of a Nephew, PG13 or Jimmy Butler.

I don't think any of those players are this kids ceiling & that's who we should be hoping and looking for.

[J_Paco]

I would understand if you had these concerns when he plays like that in high school, but college? If he plays great defense in college that should usually translate to the NBA

Well, the reality is that everyone's defense doesn't translate. Perfect example is KAT & Wiggins, who were both solid defensive players in college (or it wasn't a knock), and have been poor at the next level.

DeJounte wasn't known as a plus defender in college (more an inefficient chucker with "defensive potential") and has become that in the NBA.

[RC_Drunkford]

Well, the reality is that everyone's defense doesn't translate. Perfect example is KAT & Wiggins, who were both solid defensive players in college (or it wasn't a knock), and have been poor at the next level.

DeJounte wasn't known as a plus defender in college (more an inefficient chucker with "defensive potential") and has become that in the NBA.

yeah but they weren't elite. If a player is an elite defender in college, that will translate

[Biggems]

I like C/PF Jay Huff from Virginia in the 2nd.

[J_Paco]

yeah but they weren't elite. If a player is an elite defender in college, that will translate

Jesus Christ. He's "elite" in the Big Ten conference but we'll need to see it night in, night out against NBA level athletes.

Will his lateral quickness, leaping ability and anticipation translate to the NBA? Those are all legitimate concerns no matter how much you love his defense in college.

And KAT was considered a very good defender in college with the "potential" to be elite. You can dismiss the fact that he's actually a poor defender, now, but prior to stepping on a NBA court he was also considered a plus defender.


Defensively is where Towns separates himself as a prospect, and where his one year at Kentucky really helped him improve the most. He has the size and strength to defend centers effectively, but also the length and mobility to contain most 4s, giving him terrific positional versatility that is highly coveted in today's NBA. Towns has terrific timing as a shot-blocker, with his 4.4 blocks per-40 minutes ranking fifth best among DX Top-100 prospects. He covers ground nicely, being agile enough to hedge screens out to the perimeter and still make it back into the paint in time to make a play at the rim. It's not rare to see him take charges, close out effectively on shooters on the perimeter, or even switch out onto guards in pick and roll situations. He's also an excellent rebounder thanks to his terrific size, length and instincts, grabbing 13 boards per-40 minutes pace adjusted, the third best rate among DX Top-100 prospects. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Karl-Towns-NBA-Draft-Scouting-Report-and-Video-Breakdown-4868/ ©DraftExpress


And Wiggins was too in college:


Wiggins uses his athleticism best on defense. He's extremely quick laterally and can recover back to his man faster than anyone in the draft. He's fast enough to stay in front of smaller guards and tall enough to guard bigger wings. Wiggins was essentially unstoppable on the break at the college level, scoring 1.3 points per possession in transition -- fourth best in DraftExpress' Top 100. He can catch oops from the wing or handle the ball himself.

Whoops, there goes your theory that defense just "translates" to the NBA....

[KingKev]

Yeah I remember Wiggins defense being well regarded leading up to the draft. Worth noting he is playing much better D this year.

[LCM]

I like C/PF Jay Huff from Virginia in the 2nd.

Spurs get Huff in the 2nd rd that would be fantastic! Teams would be scared of by his age, but he's plug and play off your bench no question. Good wingspan, rebounds, good roller for lobs, but can hit from 17 feet to 3pt range if you leave him open. Finishes around the rim, will dunk on your head and good shot blocker and contest. He's not the most athletic, but he works hard for everything. He's also a good passer from the high post to shooters or getting the ball movement started with the hockey assist. Nightmare is Lakers draft him at 29 or 30 as Gasol replacement.

[rah88sa]

Just watched the Purdue game. His passing is really impressive. Good motor, plays smart, and the ball doesn't stick to his hands. He seems to make quick decisions to pass, drive, or shoot a 3.

I'd honestly take him over Scottie Barnes as I can't see a 45% FT shooter ever being a decent shooter.

[Dejounte]

Just watched the Purdue game. His passing is really impressive. Good motor, plays smart, and the ball doesn't stick to his hands. He seems to make quick decisions to pass, drive, or shoot a 3.

I'd honestly take him over Scottie Barnes as I can't see a 45% FT shooter ever being a decent shooter.

Quick decision-making/ processor speed is an underrated trait among NBA players.

Players who fit this category: Derrick White, Manu Ginobili, Devin Vassell, Kawhi Leonard...

Kudos to you for taking the time to watch the player.

Here are more full games of Michigan for you or anybody:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi4uRnzRYL0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd_XQU7sfj8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNJfZp_HvOQ

P.S. I didn't realize Scottie Barnes' free throw shooting was that horrendous.

[BackHome]

He was after his slow start during the college season, he's amped it up a notch though.

New mocks have him going 13 to “The San Antonio Spurs” :bobo

[Dejounte]

New mocks have him going 13 to “The San Antonio Spurs” :bobo

I was so bummed to find out Michigan's basketball had been postponed due to COVID. They haven't played for about a week now. Was looking forward to watching Franz play.

[BackHome]

Spurs get Huff in the 2nd rd that would be fantastic! Teams would be scared of by his age, but he's plug and play off your bench no question. Good wingspan, rebounds, good roller for lobs, but can hit from 17 feet to 3pt range if you leave him open. Finishes around the rim, will dunk on your head and good shot blocker and contest. He's not the most athletic, but he works hard for everything. He's also a good passer from the high post to shooters or getting the ball movement started with the hockey assist. Nightmare is Lakers draft him at 29 or 30 as Gasol replacement.

Nice find he is everything I had hoped Poodle would be sad to say but I think that Ship has sailed. In all honesty the only thing Poodle does better then this kid is set screens other then that Huff has the edge ex specially on the offensive side of the ball.

[Dejounte]

New mocks have him going 13 to “The San Antonio Spurs” :bobo

Another mock:


14. San Antonio Spurs: Franz Wagner (Michigan, SF, Sophomore)
Wagner possesses an appealing mix of versatility even if he's lacking a signature skill. He's the same age as many freshmen (20 in August), and his potential to shoot, pass and defend multiple positions at 6'9" hints at an easy NBA fit.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2928874-2021-nba-mock-draft-full-2-round-predictions-entering-february

[BackHome]

When I first looked at him at second round I didn’t even catch his age I think that is definitely helping out his stock rise and also his good play. Lol. So when you put it all together his age, current play, ability to play offense and defense and potential it is not out of the realm of possibility that he would be our draft pick.

[Dejounte]

When I first looked at him at second round I didn’t even catch his age I think that is definitely helping out his stock rise and also his good play. Lol. So when you put it all together his age, current play, ability to play offense and defense and potential it is not out of the realm of possibility that he would be our draft pick.


Don't forget to add the fact that he fits a need to your list. We have two-way types at every position but PF (except Keldon) and C.

Franz will be the same age (19.80) as when Devin & Keldon were drafted by the Spurs.

[Biggems]

Spurs get Huff in the 2nd rd that would be fantastic! Teams would be scared of by his age, but he's plug and play off your bench no question. Good wingspan, rebounds, good roller for lobs, but can hit from 17 feet to 3pt range if you leave him open. Finishes around the rim, will dunk on your head and good shot blocker and contest. He's not the most athletic, but he works hard for everything. He's also a good passer from the high post to shooters or getting the ball movement started with the hockey assist. Nightmare is Lakers draft him at 29 or 30 as Gasol replacement.

Watching some of his highlights, he has legitimate 3pt range.....he would probably be a 35-42% shooter from that range.....

I like his toughness. I like that he plays as if no one takes him seriously, and he has to prove them wrong.

[Biggems]

Wagner in the 1st and Huff in the 2nd. We add 2 quality, versatile bigs to go along with our plethora of wings.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/w_a_morris/status/1357104628190617602?s=19

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/DraftDeeper/status/1357784681748512776

Michigan's Feb. 11 game gets postponed, and their Feb. 14 might get postponed too. At this rate, his stock might tank because of the lack of games. Good for the Spurs if we keep afloat with wins.

I see other international prospects rising the board, namely Josh Giddey.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-RRsW3y35w

Another big wing type who is a playmaker, but likely not as good defensively as Wagner.

[BackHome]

Giddey game is kinda similar to LaMelo Ball both have very good handles and excellent passers about the same measurements and both have concerns on defense.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/w_a_morris/status/1357105193121443840?s=19

Great breakdown on Wagner's game:

https://zonahoops.com/2021/02/07/franz-wagner-nba-scouting-report/

[Dejounte]

Spurs mention in the article:

"I’d even argue that the league should value these players more: Hayward and Paul George were both taken in the back half of the lottery, Kawhi fell to 15th, and we really shouldn’t have let San Antonio get their hands on Devin Vassell. My main point is that when you draft a young, genuinely impactful two-way wing on a positive developmental trajectory, you’re making an upside play.

With wings like Doug McDermott and Andre Roberson, you’re hoping that they develop into viable defensive or offensive players, but with someone who is already able to provide value on both ends, you’re hoping that they develop into something more.

I think at his offensive ceiling, Wagner can be a second-side creator capable of scoring from three-levels off the dribble on fairly high usage. To reach these heights, he’ll need to start taking more self-created threes, and ideally, his free throw rate will also take another jump. If he doesn’t reach this lofty outcome, we have a 6’9” wing with plus team-defense, passing, cutting, and likely shooting for his archetype: someone who can slide in seamlessly alongside any combination of guards and wings. Consider all these things, and Franz as a pick in the single digits starts to make sense."

[duncan2150]

I really like Wagner, I did not know him before the beggining of this thread.

Spurs needs a 4 Or 5 but a 3/4 could be good also.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

I have my eye on Ariel Hukporti. I have a feeling that kid will be an all star.

[The Truth #6]

https://twitter.com/w_a_morris/status/1357105193121443840?s=19

Great breakdown on Wagner's game:

https://zonahoops.com/2021/02/07/franz-wagner-nba-scouting-report/

Let’s hope he isn’t Ethan Happ.

[DAF86]

Fuck, I'm already sold. I clicked on those clips and all I saw were high IQ plays on both sides of the floor. That translates, just watch Vassell. Great find Dejounte.

[DAF86]

I was so bummed to find out Michigan's basketball had been postponed due to COVID. They haven't played for about a week now. Was looking forward to watching Franz play.

Shh, best thing that can happen to us is that they cancel the entire college season so that this guy stops raising.

[dbestpro]

Luka Garza 6-11 at 265 is the center for Iowa and is leading the nation in scoring at 25.5 ppg with 45% from three and 58% from two. He averaged 23 ppg last year and is doing this in the physical big 10. He is not flashy nor athletic but he can score. Would definitely be a solid 2nd round pick.

[Dejounte]

Franz will be on local TV today, boys. Their first game after a 2-3 week hiatus due to a COVID shut down. Wouldn't be surprised if he plays rusty.

CBS channel at 12PM CST

[rastaspur]

Big fan of Wagner. I'm all for him getting drafted. But if we aren't in the lottery I fear he will be gone by the time the spurs draft.

I'd like to see the spurs take a gamble on herb jones in the 2nd round. He is a defensive gem, has playmaking abilities, is unselfish and has now added a three point shot.

With a little added strength he can guard 1 through 5.

He's a hard worker and gets better every year.

[mo7888]

Big fan of Wagner. I'm all for him getting drafted. But if we aren't in the lottery I fear he will be gone by the time the spurs draft.

I'd like to see the spurs take a gamble on herb jones in the 2nd round. He is a defensive gem, has playmaking abilities, is unselfish and has now added a three point shot.

With a little added strength he can guard 1 through 5.

He's a hard worker and gets better every year.

Yea, I think Wagner is out of our reach now..

[Dejounte]

Yea, I think Wagner is out of our reach now..

Wagner isn't really a stat stuffer and he lets his point guard be the point guard (another reason he would fit well with the Spurs) and he chooses his spots. That alone might fool stupid GMs to think he's not that effective.

Wagner so far in the 1H: suffocating defense, nice drive to the basket, and nice assist to an open man.

[mo7888]

Wagner isn't really a stat stuffer and he lets his point guard be the point guard (another reason he would fit well with the Spurs) and he chooses his spots. That alone might fool stupid GMs to think he's not that effective.

Wagner so far in the 1H: suffocating defense, nice drive to the basket, and nice assist to an open man.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a perfect fit. I just don't expect him to fall into the low 20's.

[Dejounte]

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a perfect fit. I just don't expect him to fall into the low 20's.

I agree. Hopefully a lot of other prospects shine during March Madness.

Franz with a clutch layup with 1 minute left in the game. His drives are almost unstoppable because of his size and technique. 14 points for the night, but his impact was all over the floor.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/BrandonSimberg/status/1361017117756243968?s=19

[Dejounte]

Big fan of Wagner. I'm all for him getting drafted. But if we aren't in the lottery I fear he will be gone by the time the spurs draft.

I'd like to see the spurs take a gamble on herb jones in the 2nd round. He is a defensive gem, has playmaking abilities, is unselfish and has now added a three point shot.

With a little added strength he can guard 1 through 5.

He's a hard worker and gets better every year.


https://youtu.be/Fu5RGM9L-xQ

Love what I see. He's on the older side, so it would be a Derrick White-type pick. But the skills definitely stand out. I can't say that for much of the currently first round projected picks. From where we are likely to pick, Herb is a decent consolation prize. I say I'd even reach for him if we have a late 1st.

[duncan2150]

Imo the need is inside but il would be happy with Wagner. I like his attitude and IQ.

[rastaspur]

https://youtu.be/Fu5RGM9L-xQ

Love what I see. He's on the older side, so it would be a Derrick White-type pick. But the skills definitely stand out. I can't say that for much of the currently first round projected picks. From where we are likely to pick, Herb is a decent consolation prize. I say I'd even reach for him if we have a late 1st.

I've seen him as a 36th pick on one mock draft and undrafted on all others. I think the tourney is going to give him a lot more exposure.

When its all said and done I dint think he will be around late in the second. He could wind up a later first rounder once he's run through the pre draft process of being analyzed.

[JamStone]

Michigan alum and I follow the basketball program, so I watch most of the games. So I’ve seen plenty of Franz these last two seasons. I haven’t read every post in this thread, but most of what’s been said is pretty spot on.

He’s a legit 6’9 plus. The freshman center Dickinson is listed at 7’1 and while he’s certainly taller, Franz is not much shorter. He looks like he’s really close, in fact, possibly 6’10ish. He generally guards the opposing 2-3-4, whichever is the best or most potent offensive player. He was pegged by some college hoops analysts as a breakout candidate this season and while he’s been solid, he hasn’t quite been the type of star some expected. He started the season not hitting the three in the first few games. So his percentage doesn’t accurately reflect how good of a shooter he is. He’s a very good shooter with very good mechanics. Not like a Ray Allen, Brad Beal type. But if he’s open with time to set and square up, good bet he’ll make a high percentage of them. Several reasons why he hasn’t broken out offensively. As I said, he started the season cold from the three point line. Also the freshman Dickinson started the season so dominantly on offense and Livers has consistently been really good offensively as well that Franz has not been a primary scorer in many of the games. He doesn’t hunt shots. And he doesn’t get down on himself or get upset if he doesn’t get a lot of touches or shots. Basically, he plays within himself and within the flow of the offense. He does pretty much everything well.

His best trait might be defense. Tho I don’t know how it will translate in the NBA against better athletes. Part of the reason he’s so good on defense at least at this level is not necessarily his size or athleticism, although size helps and he is a good athlete, but it’s his effort. He wants to defend. He likes to defend. He takes pride in playing defense. Whatever analysis you make on his game, I’d be sure to include that he plays hard. The kid plays hard. For however valuable you believe effort is.

I don’t view him as an NBA star, and I do think so many NBA front offices try to find potential stardom in the lottery, even at the possible expense of bust potential. So I don’t know how high he may end up getting drafted. Middle first round in the teens is possible, but so is the second round imo. But I do think he’d be a great role player in the NBA, as long as he gets a fair shot with a team.

Trying to think of the best current NBA comparison, and I came up with Nic Batum.

[Dejounte]

Michigan alum and I follow the basketball program, so I watch most of the games. So I’ve seen plenty of Franz these last two seasons. I haven’t read every post in this thread, but most of what’s been said is pretty spot on.

He’s a legit 6’9 plus. The freshman center Dickinson is listed at 7’1 and while he’s certainly taller, Franz is not much shorter. He looks like he’s really close, in fact, possibly 6’10ish. He generally guards the opposing 2-3-4, whichever is the best or most potent offensive player. He was pegged by some college hoops analysts as a breakout candidate this season and while he’s been solid, he hasn’t quite been the type of star some expected. He started the season not hitting the three in the first few games. So his percentage doesn’t accurately reflect how good of a shooter he is. He’s a very good shooter with very good mechanics. Not like a Ray Allen, Brad Beal type. But if he’s open with time to set and square up, good bet he’ll make a high percentage of them. Several reasons why he hasn’t broken out offensively. As I said, he started the season cold from the three point line. Also the freshman Dickinson started the season so dominantly on offense and Livers has consistently been really good offensively as well that Franz has not been a primary scorer in many of the games. He doesn’t hunt shots. And he doesn’t get down on himself or get upset if he doesn’t get a lot of touches or shots. Basically, he plays within himself and within the flow of the offense. He does pretty much everything well.

His best trait might be defense. Tho I don’t know how it will translate in the NBA against better athletes. Part of the reason he’s so good on defense at least at this level is not necessarily his size or athleticism, although size helps and he is a good athlete, but it’s his effort. He wants to defend. He likes to defend. He takes pride in playing defense. Whatever analysis you make on his game, I’d be sure to include that he plays hard. The kid plays hard. For however valuable you believe effort is.

I don’t view him as an NBA star, and I do think so many NBA front offices try to find potential stardom in the lottery, even at the possible expense of bust potential. So I don’t know how high he may end up getting drafted. Middle first round in the teens is possible, but so is the second round imo. But I do think he’d be a great role player in the NBA, as long as he gets a fair shot with a team.

Trying to think of the best current NBA comparison, and I came up with Nic Batum.

Thanks for chiming in! A Nic Batum on this team would do wonders. I think if he does get drafted by the Spurs, then signs of stardom will show. It's the same way Vassell looks like a higher ceiling prospect now than when he was first drafted...the Spurs know how to work with a prospect with a solid blueprint. You find players who know how to play from the get go (I.e. Kawhi & Vassell) then help them develop from there. Two way prospects are unique in their own way and provide lots of value. At this point, it's hard seeing the Spurs draft him but I'm crossing my fingers.

[DAF86]

Imo the need is inside but il would be happy with Wagner. I like his attitude and IQ.

Imho, Wagner would fit our biggest need: that 6'9, 6"10 stretch combo forward to throw at the Lebrons, Kawhis and Durants of this league.

I'm salivating at the defensive potential of a Murray, White, Vassell, Wagner, Poeltl lineup.

[Dejounte]

Imho, Wagner would fit our biggest need: that 6'9, 6"10 stretch combo forward to throw at the Lebrons, Kawhis and Durants of this league.

I'm salivating at the defensive potential of a Murray, White, Vassell, Wagner, Poeltl lineup.


https://youtu.be/o0u9dxO8cVo

This kid has it all.

[mo7888]

His game reminds me a little bit of Galinari on the offensive side of things.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/CtFSmubZpEI

https://twitter.com/DanielDash_/status/1362623093160611842?s=19

https://twitter.com/WolvSportsTV/status/1362620710343049217?s=19

https://twitter.com/DanielDash_/status/1362619101592449025?s=19

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Another great game by your boy Franz. Unfortunately ( or fortunately, depends ) it looks like he'll be long gone by the time the Spurs pick.

[Dejounte]

Another great game by your boy Franz. Unfortunately ( or fortunately, depends ) it looks like he'll be long gone by the time the Spurs pick.

Clinging onto hope that the Spurs will have an additional first round pick (via trade) come draft time

If not, then I guess I can settle for other NicBatum/Siakam types like Herbert Jones, Ziaire Williams, BJ Boston.

There's obscure prospects that I hope the Spurs go for if they don't like any of the popular ones: Sandro Mamukelashvili, Vrenz Bleijenbergh, JT Thor

IMO, the second best "cultural" fit I've seen is Herb Jones. The guy played with a broken hand for his team and made clutch free throws with his non shooting hand. Everything I've read about the guy is that he's a natural born leader who is all about the team. Only issue I see is that he's old.

[exstatic]

Shh, best thing that can happen to us is that they cancel the entire college season so that this guy stops raising.

This. It’s the ol’ conundrum. If they’re good enough, they won’t fall to us.

[The Truth #6]

I’m warming up to Wagner. I like the focus on defense, which seems to be the new focus from the Spurs as well. Seems like he would fit into any team. That’s good, we need players like that. And maybe he has some more upside, even if it’s through his work ethic and not high-end athleticism.

Herb Jones—sounds like another solid option. Teams typically prefer to shoot for boom/bust type players, but I think college upperclassman are undervalued, and honestly, young players need so much development, even if they’re a four-year player, so I see being older as an advantage for late picks, assuming they have a translatable skill.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/DSamangy/status/1363914478094581763

https://twitter.com/DSamangy/status/1363914925475852289

[BatManu20]

Good player. He’ll be long gone by the Spurs pick though.

[Dejounte]

Franz in takeover mode tonight. Geez

[ragas]

Franz in takeover mode tonight. Geez

Finally I got a chance to watch him play. I liked it.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/BrandonSimberg/status/1365714445754904577

My boy Franz is going OFF again. 10 points with 10 minutes remaining still in the 1st half.

https://twitter.com/AC__Hoops/status/1365712056809316361

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/BrandonSimberg/status/1365714445754904577

My boy Franz is going OFF again. 10 points with 10 minutes remaining still in the 1st half.

https://twitter.com/AC__Hoops/status/1365712056809316361

On that first video and few others I've noticed he has some mannerisms of Manu when taking contact/finishing at the basket.

[Dejounte]

Great article on Franz:

https://twitter.com/JakeInThePaint/status/1366831875675815940

[ace3g]

Can the Spurs also draft someone named Hans ?

[exstatic]

Can the Spurs also draft someone named Hans ?

So they can pump you up?

[Ocotillo]

This is Rudy's replacement. Dejounte has sold me.

[The Truth #6]

This is Rudy's replacement. Dejounte has sold me.

Curious. Do people not see Luka as the Rudy replacement? Also, if Luka continues to do well, does that complicate their draft priorities? I still go for a big, but would they focus on a backup center instead?

[Dejounte]

This is Rudy's replacement. Dejounte has sold me.


Curious. Do people not see Luka as the Rudy replacement? Also, if Luka continues to do well, does that complicate their draft priorities? I still go for a big, but would they focus on a backup center instead?

I see Franz as a plug-in-any-position type player. Imagine if Vassell had better ball handling skills, then you can basically play him 1-4. Franz is the same way. You can find use for players like that anytime. I just think bigs are easy to find for cheap these days, something not worth a first round investment in (unless another long project/ hidden international gem like Luka is available in the 20s). Versatile, do it all types like Franz are rare.

Unfortunately, it's not likely Franz will be there when we pick unless we make a trade for another pick in the late lottery.

[R. DeMurre]

Great article on Franz:

https://twitter.com/JakeInThePaint/status/1366831875675815940

"Positive infrastructure/ stockpiling good pieces" is another way of talking about assembling a team that goes, say, seven/eight deep with net positive players, something I like for this Spurs team and potentially the way to beat a LeBron/Kahwi/Embiid team without having a superstar. Also the best argument against tanking.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/DXContent/status/1367976298900029444?s=19

Franz, the sharpshooter

[DAF86]

He will probably be long gone before the Spurs get the chance to draft.

[spurraider21]

He will probably be long gone before the Spurs get the chance to draft.
Yep. Move this thread to the think tank imo

[duncan2150]

He will probably be long gone before the Spurs get the chance to draft.


Imo his range will be between 8-15, that's not out of spurs range. It's too early to know where will the spurs draft.

[Dejounte]

He will probably be long gone before the Spurs get the chance to draft.


Imo his range will be between 8-15, that's not out of spurs range. It's too early to know where will the spurs draft.

Especially when you consider we have a ton of babies on this forum who think the Spurs suck and won't make the playoffs every time the Spurs lose. So which is it? The Spurs are good so Franz will be out of reach or the Spurs suck so Franz will be in reach?

[R. DeMurre]

He's #9 on Tankathon's Big Board now.

[spurraider21]

:lol one guy single handedly keeping a 2021 draft prospect thread on the top page for weeks now

https://i.gyazo.com/3114115b6dff936b236e70e0cdfdd039.png

[Dejounte]

:lol one guy single handedly keeping a 2021 draft prospect thread on the top page for weeks now

https://i.gyazo.com/3114115b6dff936b236e70e0cdfdd039.png

Why is it always these losers with 80k+ posts hating on me? Lmao

[PrimeMinister]

We really gonna stress one of the main dudes keeping this forum alive?

[spurraider21]

i dont have a problem with him in general :lol... just a weird pet thread for him to keep bumping. is this gonna be his jimmer?

[Dejounte]

We really gonna stress one of the main dudes keeping this forum alive?

They like it the old way... people writing one word posts, numerous alts talking to each other like schizos, having awful takes like MKG is better than Kawhi (it was actually his post that said that) and then turning around and pretending like he was on board with Kawhi since the beginning. These dudes enjoy shit posts and posts with zero substance. Just view the older pages on this forum and you'll see.

[Dejounte]

i dont have a problem with him in general :lol... just a weird pet thread for him to keep bumping. is this gonna be his jimmer?

You're just getting the wrong idea about me. I drop these guys like hot potato if/when they're drafted by another team. I have no attachment whatsoever. It's who I prefer the Spurs draft, sure. But after that? Who cares. There are about ten other topics with nothing in it and this is the one you decide to shit on.

[rjv]

looking forward to watching him play tonight.

[KingKev]

looking forward to watching him play tonight.


Likewise!! I didn’t even know who he was as I don’t follow college ball closely but Dejounte was all over that a few months back. Also if he shits the bed we can all flame Dejounte in typical Spurstalk fashion. Haha just playing!!

[Dejounte]

looking forward to watching him play tonight.


Likewise!! I didn’t even know who he was as I don’t follow college ball closely but Dejounte was all over that a few months back. Also if he shits the bed we can all flame Dejounte in typical Spurstalk fashion. Haha just playing!!

We need to hope he shits the bed so he drops his position in the draft.

Y'all got a link? I don't have TBS tonight.

[rjv]

We need to hope he shits the bed so he drops his position in the draft.

Y'all got a link? I don't have TBS tonight.

no link but CBS might be streaming it.

[GAustex]

At the crucial moment Wagner for the win
AIR BALL

[DAF86]

At the crucial moment Wagner for the win
AIR BALL

Good. Good. Let him fall to us. Scouters love to overrate to playoff perfomances in detriment of a full season worth of sample size.

[Mugen]

Looking like a Spur already, what a garbage player :lol

[spurraider21]

:lol cucked by my bruins

[Prime BEEF]

Haven’t really been impressed by him tbh. Not just looking at tourney games.

[rjv]

We need to hope he shits the bed so he drops his position in the draft.

Y'all got a link? I don't have TBS tonight.

Well, he definitely crapped the bed.

[TrainOfThought5]

LOL we desperately need someone who gets BETTER in crunch time. Is this the guy??

[duncan2150]

Lol at guys who judge a player after one game .... ridiculous.

[Dejounte]

Typical ST :lmao :lmao hops on for one game to shit on a player then vanishes.

[rah88sa]

Looks like Wagner is back on the menu. With the Spurs current struggles and SOS I think we have a real shot at getting this guy.

[cd98]

The guy did have an awful game on the highest stage in college basketball. You can see he has some good skills. He's mobile and long. He played pretty good defense. But his outside shooting was nonexistent and he failed to finish on his drives. I don't think that removes him from draft consideration, but I don't know that he will be a lottery pick in next year's draft. There are a lot of talented players that can be drafted.

[The Truth #6]

He would fit well on the Spurs, without a doubt. He's very active, I like that. But I can't tell how mobile he actually is.

But big picture, Dejounte, do you see him as a mobile 4? He's listed as a 6'9" guard. He seems more like a SF to me. Anyway, curious to see how he would exactly fit with our current players.

[Dejounte]

The guy did have an awful game on the highest stage in college basketball. You can see he has some good skills. He's mobile and long. He played pretty good defense. But his outside shooting was nonexistent and he failed to finish on his drives. I don't think that removes him from draft consideration, but I don't know that he will be a lottery pick in next year's draft. There are a lot of talented players that can be drafted.

So did many other prospects in the lottery, but you don't see people focusing on them:

These are their last games of the season.

Moses Moody - 2-10, 0-4 3pts, 3 turnovers

Scottie Barnes - 4-11, 3 turnovers, and was unplayable in the last game in the tournament

Jalen Johnson - Opted out of the season, yet people think that's okay

Ziaire Williams -

Mar 3
USC
26
0.1
1-8
0-4
0-0
2
1
2
0
4
2
2

[John B]

Hey that’s good news if he drops to where Spurs can get him. I like this kid.

[ragas]

The guy did have an awful game on the highest stage in college basketball. You can see he has some good skills. He's mobile and long. He played pretty good defense. But his outside shooting was nonexistent and he failed to finish on his drives. I don't think that removes him from draft consideration, but I don't know that he will be a lottery pick in next year's draft. There are a lot of talented players that can be drafted.

Did he have an awful game? I don't think so. Sure, he had a bad shooting night, but outside of that he did pretty well.

[John B]

Is Spurs on a covert tank to nab a Wagner? It would be great to have a Wagner in the team. I doubt he contributes next year though unless he’s shooting consistently.

[Dejounte]

He would fit well on the Spurs, without a doubt. He's very active, I like that. But I can't tell how mobile he actually is.

But big picture, Dejounte, do you see him as a mobile 4? He's listed as a 6'9" guard. He seems more like a SF to me. Anyway, curious to see how he would exactly fit with our current players.

He's listed as a guard because he handles the ball so well and defends smaller players effectively. Like you said, positions are fluid and I see him as being able to guard the many midgets NBA teams throw out there at that position. Imagine Luka and Wagner out there together...

[ragas]

Imagine Wagner - Samanic - Poeltl at 3/4/5. Some ST-members would go crazy :spin

[duncan2150]

The guy did have an awful game on the highest stage in college basketball. You can see he has some good skills. He's mobile and long. He played pretty good defense. But his outside shooting was nonexistent and he failed to finish on his drives. I don't think that removes him from draft consideration, but I don't know that he will be a lottery pick in next year's draft. There are a lot of talented players that can be drafted.

He's shooting the 3's at 34 % this year with 4 attempts per game( not great not bad either), 85% at the FT line. I'm not concerning about the outside shot, he will be competitive, just needs to work on it a little bit.