spurs have the worst future in their division

[Sugus]

just keep acting like i didn't already tell you this:

Why don't you act like you actually told me this;


this thread is about the future.

And STFU for a hot second... Let it die.

[gambit1990]

wtf :lol

yeah, the thread is about the future.


i'm bumping it now because despite the spurs trying their best this season, they're almost behind the mavs and grizzlies in the standings. that's how bad things are.

[K...]

Wait so you bump the thread to say "i was wrong when i started the thread, but i might be right, and will 100% be right in the future"¿

Bravest thread in all spurstalk history. By all accounts the goal of the team is to sell tickets not make gambit horny with joy.

More than likely the spurs won't win a championship in any of our lifetimes. The odds are stacked against it, and the trends of spos is to put more power in mega teams at the expense of small teams.

If the spurs actually won the lottery and got a high pick there's At least a 50% chance their agent and sponsor will get them out asap. The alternative is they get the supermax and the team loses depth leading to a failed team. The team dodged a bullet in not signing kawhi. He's not the right fit to lead a small team to greatness.

So, it's weird for gambit to keep bumping the thread saying "let's break all these pots and see if there is treasure inside" nope no treasure. A treadmill team is ALL this team will ever be

[gambit1990]

^^ wtf :lmao

i never said i was wrong. read every post i made in this thread. none are wrong and none even conflict with each other :lol

people made fun of the thread after spurs won a couple games... and i doubled down.

[gambit1990]

it’s just crazy how many times i have to repeat and explains things. my posts are short and concise too. i’m not here throwing paragraphs around.

[gambit1990]

sugus acting like this season isn't indicative of what's to come.

everyone here should have a problem with the FO moves / how the roster is assembled... guess what: lebron james, kawhi leonard, kevin durant ain't walking thru the door next season to save this team.

as simple as i can put it, again: the spurs are bad now despite trying to be good. they aren't going to somehow all of sudden improve dramatically by next season.

[gambit1990]

Why don't you act like you actually told me this;
totally blowing off the very next sentence in the post that explains why i bump this thread :lmao:lmao

the two sentences in that post don't even contradict each other :lol

[K...]

Spurs are above 500 "THY'RE DOOOOMED"


Spurs below 500 "They're dooooooomed!"

[gambit1990]

Spurs are above 500 "THY'RE DOOOOMED"


Spurs below 500 "They're dooooooomed!"
exactly. that's why the thread is tîtled what it's tîtled.

[gambit1990]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/l3q2JCu9lep6dAmyY/giphy.gif

[TD 21]

:lmao This is only viewed as controversial because the apologists can't handle the truth . . .

Mavericks: Best young player in the league, second young player better than any Spurs youth, deep pocketed and willing to use it owner.

Pelicans: Second best young player in the league, second young player better than any Spurs youth, depth of picks.

Grizzlies: Elite young player, second young player better than any Spurs youth, depth of youth.

Rockets: Arguable, but by committing to an actual re-build and not hamstringing themselves by refusing to utilize various avenues to improve long term, they at least have a blank canvas with which to work.

[gambit1990]

the future is bleak.

hopefully derrick white doesn't breakdown next season...

and dear god if they bring demar back :lol

[Kurgan]

Outside of Houston, the thread rings true. Dallas, NO, and Mem have the building blocks for a future. Spurs have treadmill talent.

[TD 21]

No longer arguable. The Rockets (big surprise that another team that recently lost their superstar was instantly rewarded with another foundational piece, like virtually everyone outside of this dumb organization, that continues to try to lessen the odds of it) just landed a projected foundational piece.

[MultiTroll]

Mavericks: second young player better than any Spurs youth

Pelicans: second young player better than any Spurs youth,

Grizzlies: second young player better than any Spurs youth, Who are these second young players you speak of?

[KobesAchilles]

No longer arguable. The Rockets (big surprise that another team that recently lost their superstar was instantly rewarded with another foundational piece, like virtually everyone outside of this dumb organization, that continues to try to lessen the odds of it) just landed a projected foundational piece.
This division is going to be the NFC Least pretty soon. Each team either has an incompetent front office, wrong coach, or lack of talent. Nobody is winning a chip on this division any time soon. Dallas has the best shot out of all of us due to Luka but Cuban will ruin it.

But as far as future goes, we are tied in last place in foundational pieces and potentially the Rockets get theirs in this years draft. So that causes a lot of frustration

[TD 21]

Who are these second young players you speak of?

Porzingis, Ingram, Jackson Jr.

[slick'81]

Porzingis, Ingram, Jackson Jr.


Porzingis could be arguable, but the other two are no brainers

[Atl Spur]

Lol.....you guys��������. The spurs will be fine.

[slick'81]

Lol.....you guys��������. The spurs will be fine.

of course they will.why wouldnt they?

[MultiTroll]

Porzingis, Ingram, Jackson Jr.
China Doll, Twiggy No D and equal to DJ.

You need to factor in DJ has been playing with the short bus coach and lineups his entire career. You try playing next to Bryn Forms and Wombat.
If he flops next year, fine. Bookmark this page. His incremental growth is good.

[MultiTroll]

Jackson
Points 14.4
REB 5.6
AST 1.1
PER 18.10

DJ
Points 15.7
REB 7.1
AST 5.4
PER 16.52

If you're saying Jacksons D is better then DJ's, noo.

[slick'81]

Jackson
Points 14.4
REB 5.6
AST 1.1
PER 18.10

DJ
Points 15.7
REB 7.1
AST 5.4
PER 16.52

If you're saying Jacksons D is better then DJ's, noo.

to be fair jj only played in 11 games this season

[MultiTroll]

to be fair jj only played in 11 games this season
True, and DJ came back after injuries too. But the claim was:


Grizzlies: second young player better than any Spurs youth,

[TD 21]

Jackson
Points 14.4
REB 5.6
AST 1.1
PER 18.10

DJ
Points 15.7
REB 7.1
AST 5.4
PER 16.52

If you're saying Jacksons D is better then DJ's, noo.

:lmao Making a determination based on counting stats without context.

[MultiTroll]

:lmao Making a determination based on counting stats without context.
Strawman backpedal.
Yawn.

Lets hear your reasoning.
Ive seen the games.

[TD 21]

Strawman backpedal.
Yawn.

Lets hear your reasoning.
Ive seen the games.

:lmao Counting stats, especially in cases like this, are largely mpg/usage dependant. Of course, as a primary ball handler and the mostly default second option on one of the least talented teams in the league, Murray was going to post superior ones to a stretch big, who was coming off of missing about a year with an injury and playing on a significantly deeper team.

[MultiTroll]

Yawn you've given zero reasons why Jackson Jr is purportedly better.
Step up or step off.

[TD 21]

You're the one questioning it (like it's controversial and not consensus), so tell me why Murray is supposedly better and do so with substance.

[Chinook]

I actually pretty strongly doubt it's consensus that JJJ IS better than Murray. I just think most would rather have JJJ because he's younger and has skills at a harder position to get right. Like it's a no-brainer that I'd rather have him, but that's not because he's actually better. In that same vein, I don't know that many folks would prefer Porzingas to Murray. Dude was a great player, but he has a bad attitude and a worse contract while also having shaky health which robbed him of the agility he used to possess. He's no longer a unicorn due in large part to players like JJJ. If I didn't basically want Murray traded, I'd probably take him over KP.

[TD 21]

I actually mostly agree with this. But it's been consensus that Jackson Jr. is better than Murray, so even if it's debatable at this exact moment, based on history and scarcity/value of skillset, I'm giving him the nod. The same goes for Porzingis. Although he's a ticking time bomb health wise, I'll at least give him a healthy/motivated off season to redeem himself.

Still, let's not get bogged down playing the semantics game and lose sight of the overriding point.

[gambit1990]

is it too soon for me to bump this?

[slick'81]

is it too soon for me to bump this?

have at it

[rascal]

They won't get any help from this year's draft next year.

[C-Dub]

Primo is going to become a super star, Keldon & DJ will become allstars and Vassell & Luka will become fringe allstars. Add in really good rotational players Jakob, LW4, TJ & Wiesy. Not that bad of a future.

[C-Dub]

I forgot about D. White. Add him to the fringe allstar group.

[KingKev]

Primo is going to become a super star, Keldon & DJ will become allstars and Vassell & Luka will become fringe allstars. Add in really good rotational players Jakob, LW4, TJ & Wiesy. Not that bad of a future.

What about White? Still has the ability to become the next Kobe/MJ/Lebron

#stacked

[SAGirl]

is it too soon for me to bump this?
We are still waiting for Samanic to hit that all star level, so go ahead. :drunk

[gambit1990]

can y’all imagine forbes in the starting lineup again? :lol

[The Truth #6]

Brian Wright is making TD21 seem way less contrarian. Houston is a mess but so are we.

[spurspl]

future seems to be a lil bit brighter than before this offseason

[gambit1990]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/XfT1Xb2O2ShHy/200.gif

[slick'81]

Houston is worse this season,tbh

[gambit1990]

Houston is worse this season,tbh
if that sticks then the rockets will just get another higher draft pick than the spurs.

spurs can't win and the spurs can't tank, they're stuck.

[B1gduff]

if that sticks then the rockets will just get another higher draft pick than the spurs.

spurs can't win and the spurs can't tank, they're stuck.

https://c.tenor.com/L_CidwAmxeIAAAAC/the-fuck-disgust.gif

[james evans]

We have a good team, it's the coaching that's fucked up. We should only have 2 losses right now and that's against the Bucks and denver

[RC_Drunkford]

as of right now this thread is true. They also got the worst coach

[Fireball]

We are still waiting for Samanic to hit that all star level, so go ahead. :drunk

ouch

[CGD]

I actually think the guys are playing really hard and have had a really hard schedule early. They may not have the talent, and it looks bad on offense when they devolve to 1 on 1 play, but they are trying out there.

[SAGirl]

ouch
Maybe blue font was necessary? That said the Samanic fandom aged like milk, some fans were predicting all star level back then... That's why I made that comment.:sleep

[Fireball]

Maybe blue font was necessary? That said the Samanic fandom aged like milk, some fans were predicting all star level back then... That's why I made that comment.:sleep

no sweat ... the smokin Emoji was basically the same as blue font ... I still found it funny in retrospective

[Gagnrath]

Honestly I still see Shamanic as a potential star, thought pop would get Luka's head where it needed to be for the guy to put together the great size and very good athletic ability with the flashes of skill he shows at times.

That didn't happen, I am not sure it will happen. That said he is one of the guys that does need to get over themselves and dedicate himself to being the best professional basketball player they can be... If he does that he's probably able to be a perennial all star. If he doesn't he'll bounce around the NBA and Europe/Asia for a decade net himself a couple million and chill. Which isn't a bad pro sports career just not 100+ mill and international fame.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

LOL it's painful watching doughy fat Luka strike like an assassin at will in the 4th every time we play the mavericks.

Tough to disagree with the OP.

[MannyIsGod]

Memphis has allegedy had a bright future for 3-4 years now and has pretty much nothing to show for it. OKC has a billion draft picks, but they've managed to fuck up 3 mvps at one time so...., The rockets, well, lol, the rockets. Mavs have Luka but have yet to win a playoff series and haven't exactly surrounded him with great talent. Still, they have Luka. NOLA, well, lmao.

So maybe other teams do have better futures, but that's been the case for several years and it has mattered not one bit. Memphis and Dallas are in better spots because they have legit stars, for sure. But even then the gap isn't some insane wall I can't see changing in a couple of years. NOLA has an injury prone "star" that can't wait to get to NYC. They absolutely have a worse future and will likely be in Seattle before long. Houston has young players, but we've seen they have the ability to fuck it up. And OKC has SGA who is going to have to lose like bradley beal for years before they get their shit together. A million draft picks but they are still tanking so whats the fucking point?

This thread should be titled "the Spurs don't have a star" because thats basically what it is. No team in this division is exactly looking amazing and thus the Spurs aren't far behind anyone despite their lack of a star.

[gambit1990]

https://c.tenor.com/L_CidwAmxeIAAAAC/the-fuck-disgust.gif

i said it as plainly as i could.

• "spurs can't win" means they're not a playoff team
• "spurs can't tank" means they're never going to full tank with pop coaching

[slick'81]

Thank god for houston

[gambit1990]

Thank god for houston
they fine with a tank though.

[gambit1990]

check out the spurs standings when this thread was posted:

Somehow someway despite the jeckyl Hyde season the Spurs are winning the division after this Boston win

https://i.ibb.co/PN3V42y/182-C5-F98-048-F-4-FAC-A295-EC3-AF5609-BDA.jpg

[gambit1990]

lmao smart, doubt. this post says other wise

Pretty sure they were blowing off the thread anyway.

This guy has no clue why people are excited about the team because he doesn't even watch the fucking games. People should stop paying attention to this moron.

This one did age well at ALL.

It’s time to close this thread

Should have been closed the moment it was posted

this thread is getting worse and worse by the day :lmao
:lmao:lmao


Damn, if Luka pans out we gonna be decently stacked.

Murray
Vassell
Keldon
Samanic
Poeltl

White
Walker
Lyles

Also, no homo but, with DJ and Luka the Spurs' popularity among the ladies will increase exponentially. :lol
DAF was / is a top tier poster, top three at least tbh. he should've been on my page though.

[FutureMan]

i said it as plainly as i could.

• "spurs can't win" means they're not a playoff team
• "spurs can't tank" means they're never going to full tank with pop coaching

They are tanking currently though. Right now they have almost the same odds at getting the #1 pick as Houston (who have only won 1 game). Spurs are in a great spot IMO.

[Harry Callahan]

I think the 30 game win total is on point. The youngsters are playing with effort, but there is no one to take over the game consistently. I like what DJM is doing this year. Still, a high draft pick is pretty much a given this year.

[dbestpro]

I think the 30 game win total is on point. The youngsters are playing with effort, but there is no one to take over the game consistently. I like what DJM is doing this year. Still, a high draft pick is pretty much a given this year.

Pipe dream.

[FutureMan]

I think the 30 game win total is on point. The youngsters are playing with effort, but there is no one to take over the game consistently. I like what DJM is doing this year. Still, a high draft pick is pretty much a given this year.

Agreed. In fact just a few years ago, during the 2018-2019 season, a 30 win team would’ve received the 6th pick. Add that in with the new lottery rules and you have a real shot at a franchise player.

[BackHome]

I think the 30 game win total is on point. The youngsters are playing with effort, but there is no one to take over the game consistently. I like what DJM is doing this year. Still, a high draft pick is pretty much a given this year.

The question will be at one point do you think Pop will loose this team? Looking at the players body language you can tell they are not a happy group as we loose more I think you will see it progressively get worse.

[itzsoweezee]

Homers are The cringiest people on the planet

[tbdog]

The question will be at one point do you think Pop will loose this team? Looking at the players body language you can tell they are not a happy group as we loose more I think you will see it progressively get worse.

This is why tanking doesn't work. Losing culture is a legit thing. Professional athletes are completive in nature.

[The Truth #6]

Team body language is getting worse every week. They started off playing on fire, but that energy has tapered off. Lonnie already seems less motivated again…in a contract year. The Yak Covid thing was horrible timing.

[FutureMan]

More than 80% of the best players in this league are top 15 picks.

More than half are still with their drafting teams.

60% of the best players are a top 7 pick.

Tanking to get franchise players can obviously work and works majority of the time. Let’s just hope the players understand this very simple fact.

I will say, it doesn’t mean you have to tank very long though. Just have to pick the right player(s).

[The Truth #6]

Again, for me, the tanking “decision” assumes that we’re somehow playing well and could play worse then we are. We’re already playing Forbes and Eubanks. I suppose we could play Jones instead of some of White or DJ’s minutes, but that could also turn out to be a winning move. It’s all throwing darts at this point. Tanking. Playing to win. I don’t see a big discrepancy.

[slick'81]

The spurs arent tanking. They just spent 47 million this offseason,and im sure it wasnt to get a top 5 pick. That would just be moronic. "Tanking is holding out david Robinson even though he was healthy enough to play because tim dincan was coming out

[FutureMan]

The spurs arent tanking. They just spent 47 million this offseason,and im sure it wasnt to get a top 5 pick. That would just be moronic. "Tanking is holding out david Robinson even though he was healthy enough to play because tim dincan was coming out

They spent money because they literally had to. You get fined for not having your team salary at a certain $$ amount.

I’m really surprised so many people are oblivious to the plan here.

1. draft and stash a young player *obviously not a literal draft and stash but their own “version” of it* - Primo ✅
2. sign a quality role player - McDermott ✅
3. Sign a fan favorite or a familiar face to keep tickets selling and cushion the blow of Mills leaving (while also losing games) - Forbes ✅
4. Lose basketball games with rotations that you obviously wouldn’t have out there and still stay within striking distance - ✅
5. obtain a top pick in the next draft and introduce that new player and Primo at the same time.

[Atl Spur]

If we hit on Collins & Primo.....look out!

[KingKev]

They spent money because they literally had to. You get fined for not having your team salary at a certain $$ amount.

I’m really surprised so many people are oblivious to the plan here.

1. draft and stash a young player - Primo ✅
2. sign a quality role player - McDermott ✅
3. Sign a fan favorite or a familiar face to keep tickets selling and cushion the blow of Mills leaving (while also losing games) - Forbes ✅
4. Lose basketball games with rotations that you obviously wouldn’t have out there and still stay within striking distance - ✅
5. obtain a top pick in the next draft and introduce that new player and Primo at the same time.

If it’s that obvious I give up. Number 3 especially.

Either way the tank is on I just don’t actually think it’s deliberate which is scary in itself.

[Realdeal1]

1) Dejounte Murray becoming an All- Star
2) Primo possibly being a franchise player
3) continued development of young core ( Keldon / Vassell/ Poetl)
4) Possible Top 5 pick next year
5) offering a max contract to a player like Deandre Ayton next offseason

I think Spurs are in pretty good shape for the future

[JeffDuncan]

They spent money because they literally had to. You get fined for not having your team salary at a certain $$ amount.

I’m really surprised so many people are oblivious to the plan here.

1. draft and stash a young player - Primo ✅


Primo isn’t stashed. He’s on the roster. You’re ignorant of what the word means.

Is the lack of playing time for Primo different from what the Spurs usually do?

Is it?




2. sign a quality role player - McDermott ✅


Is that something done only by tanking teams? What are you trying to argue?

Are you actually trying to argue that tanking teams can be identified by the fact that they’re the teams which sign quality role players? Really?




3. Sign a fan favorite or a familiar face to keep tickets selling and cushion the blow of Mills leaving (while also losing games) - Forbes ✅


You think Forbes was signed as a “fan favorite” and because he’s a familiar face.

What have you been drinking, and how much? And how bad is the hangover?




4. Lose basketball games with rotations that you obviously wouldn’t have out there and still stay within striking distance - ✅


Taking into account Pop’s long history of using wacko rotations, point out one single instance this season of a rotation you know he would not have used in any earlier season. Hint: you can’t do it.




5. obtain a top pick in the next draft and introduce that new player and Primo at the same time.

Why “at the same time?”


BTW, a team is not fined for failure to meet the minimum players’ salary total (90% of the salary cap.) The team is required to pay its players an additional amount, to bring the total up to the minimum.

[BackHome]

For the Future to look good we need the following to happen:

1. Get a top 4 draft pick in 2022 and top 4 in 2023 - Yes both years
2. Hope Murray handles and 3 point shooting gets better - Or make a decision to draft a PG
3. Trade White -We got Murray, Tre, and Primo - and I mean trade him for a player of need
4. Let Walker Walk after this off season
5. Hope Keldon gets better at 3 point shooting and FT.
6. Let Pop walk either in 2022 or 2023 but he can't stay pass 2023
7. Hire a YOUNG LEGIT COACH that can help us recruit and retain players

[gambit1990]

i think the spurs will be better in the second half of the season.

the bad thing about that is it means a lower draft pick.

[Mr. Body]

Memphis has two absolute studs and they're still mediocre.

[Sugus]

If it’s that obvious I give up. Number 3 especially.

Either way the tank is on I just don’t actually think it’s deliberate which is scary in itself.

It is that obvious, and it was deliberate. The whole idea behind "letting the young guys take the reins" means exactly to let them sink or swim. They're sinking right now, and might sink further into a top pick, which is still within the plan.

Why wouldn't you think it's deliberate, or at least within the realm of planned possibilities, given they literally let go of their star player and build-around-guy for the past 3 years, and their top 2 veteran players & lockerroom presences, all in the same off-season, whilst signing absolutely no one of relevance (or winning prowess, really) with the remaining money to replace them? If the Spurs actually had wanted to compete, they'd've had a completely opposite off-season: would've packaged some of their young players, plus mortgage their future picks, in search of star (or quasi-stars, given this is SanAn after all) power. Or did you really think they thought a 25yo, unproven Murray would spearlead the group back into the playoffs, after him alongside DeRozan couldn't get it done?

[FutureMan]

Primo isn’t stashed. He’s on the roster. You’re ignorant of what the word means.

Is the lack of playing time for Primo different from what the Spurs usually do?

Is it?




Is that something done only by tanking teams? What are you trying to argue?

Are you actually trying to argue that tanking teams can be identified by the fact that they’re the teams which sign quality role players? Really?




You think Forbes was signed as a “fan favorite” and because he’s a familiar face.

What have you been drinking, and how much? And how bad is the hangover?




Taking into account Pop’s long history of using wacko rotations, point out one single instance this season of a rotation you know he would not have used in any earlier season. Hint: you can’t do it.




Why “at the same time?”


BTW, a team is not fined for failure to meet the minimum players’ salary total (90% of the salary cap.) The team is required to pay its players an additional amount, to bring the total up to the minimum.

1. I didn’t mean literally a draft and stash.. I’m very aware who is and isn’t on the roster and the $$$ owed to each player (even if they aren’t on the team anymore). I’ll edit it so it’s more clear.

As to how much Primo is different than years past… I mean Vassell was last year. Go look and see just how wrong you are.

2. Wasn’t arguing any point for McDermott. Just laying out what I see as 1-2 year “tank”. You seem weirdly defensive about that part. Not sure why. Anyway…

3. As much as it annoys this forum, and myself, Forbes is absolutely a fan favorite. I watch every game and go to a few each year. He has a lot of fans and was clearly a replacement for Mills. Casual fans go nuts for his 3 point shooting. The guy has wayyy too many jerseys out there for anyone not to see how much people like him.

4. Obviously I agree that we’ve seen some interesting rotations with Pop but you can’t deny it is different this year.

5. Like I mentioned this year is the tank year but I see this as a short term tank. At the end of the day you have a 8-9 man rotation so you replace your tanking players (Forbes, Eubanks, etc.) with Primo and your new top pick.

Lastly, I’m also aware of how it works for the minimum team salary, but just like the first point, it’s just the verbiage you have an issue with. Maybe there’s a better word for it but to me they are forced to pay $$ when they don’t exceed a certain dollar amount and I see that as a fine.

[KingKev]

It is that obvious, and it was deliberate. The whole idea behind "letting the young guys take the reins" means exactly to let them sink or swim. They're sinking right now, and might sink further into a top pick, which is still within the plan.

Why wouldn't you think it's deliberate, or at least within the realm of planned possibilities, given they literally let go of their star player and build-around-guy for the past 3 years, and their top 2 veteran players & lockerroom presences, all in the same off-season, whilst signing absolutely no one of relevance (or winning prowess, really) with the remaining money to replace them? If the Spurs actually had wanted to compete, they'd've had a completely opposite off-season: would've packaged some of their young players, plus mortgage their future picks, in search of star (or quasi-stars, given this is SanAn after all) power. Or did you really think they thought a 25yo, unproven Murray would spearlead the group back into the playoffs, after him alongside DeRozan couldn't get it done?

I agree with sink or swim; we all see and know that and it is assuredly the correct strategy. Everything else that guy wrote is a joke. Yes we cleared house to respectfully rebuild… no shit! I have been preaching from day one this is a 20 win team and i’m enjoying every minute of it. Despite my agreement, I’m arguing what this joker wrote is ludacris. Primo wasn’t drafted to be unveiled as the saviour with our next lotto pick, Forbes never was a fan favourite and i’ve already forgotten the rest of the bs he listed.

[KingKev]

Primo isn’t stashed. He’s on the roster. You’re ignorant of what the word means.

Is the lack of playing time for Primo different from what the Spurs usually do?

Is it?




Is that something done only by tanking teams? What are you trying to argue?

Are you actually trying to argue that tanking teams can be identified by the fact that they’re the teams which sign quality role players? Really?




You think Forbes was signed as a “fan favorite” and because he’s a familiar face.

What have you been drinking, and how much? And how bad is the hangover?




Taking into account Pop’s long history of using wacko rotations, point out one single instance this season of a rotation you know he would not have used in any earlier season. Hint: you can’t do it.




Why “at the same time?”


BTW, a team is not fined for failure to meet the minimum players’ salary total (90% of the salary cap.) The team is required to pay its players an additional amount, to bring the total up to the minimum.

Nice rebuttal!

[KingKev]

It is that obvious, and it was deliberate. The whole idea behind "letting the young guys take the reins" means exactly to let them sink or swim. They're sinking right now, and might sink further into a top pick, which is still within the plan.

Why wouldn't you think it's deliberate, or at least within the realm of planned possibilities, given they literally let go of their star player and build-around-guy for the past 3 years, and their top 2 veteran players & lockerroom presences, all in the same off-season, whilst signing absolutely no one of relevance (or winning prowess, really) with the remaining money to replace them? If the Spurs actually had wanted to compete, they'd've had a completely opposite off-season: would've packaged some of their young players, plus mortgage their future picks, in search of star (or quasi-stars, given this is SanAn after all) power. Or did you really think they thought a 25yo, unproven Murray would spearlead the group back into the playoffs, after him alongside DeRozan couldn't get it done?

You should also understand Rudy, DDR, Mills and LMA all wanted to go other routes. We didn’t let them go.

[JeffDuncan]

1. I didn’t mean literally a draft and stash..


Ok.




As to how much Primo is different than years past… I mean Vassell was last year. Go look and see just how wrong you are.



Vassell, eh? Last year, eh? Tell you what. Go look at the G League last year and see what a fool you are.




2. Wasn’t arguing any point for McDermott. …


Liar. I remind you of what you wrote:

“2. sign a quality role player - McDermott”

That is an exact quote from you. See that name there? You don’t seem “weirdly defensive” about it, you seem outright dishonest about it.

On the logic of your contention:

Given, the Spurs needed 3pt shooting. Everybody who follows the team knows that.

Fact, they sign a 3pt shooter.

Therefore, they are tanking.

You claim. Not your best effort. An attempt to correct a deficiency is not a sign of tanking.

Pointing to a player who is not a 3pt shooter would have been more in keeping with your argument. Like Thad Young.




3. As much as it annoys this forum, and myself, Forbes is absolutely a fan favorite. …


You are making me continue to wonder if you drink. At the risk of repeating myself,

Given, the Spurs needed 3pt shooting. Everybody who follows the team knows that.

Fact, they sign a 3pt shooter.

Therefore, they are tanking. You claim.

Forbes is a 3pt shooter. When a team that needs 3pt shooting signs a 3pt shooter, that is not an indication of tanking. It indicates an attempt at improvement.




4. Obviously I agree that we’ve seen some interesting rotations with Pop but you can’t deny it is different this year.


It isn’t different just because you imagine it’s different.



5. Like I mentioned this year is the tank year …


No, it isn’t. It’s another lousy year because of a poorly-constructed roster, questionable coaching, etc., the same as we’ve seen in the two previous (losing) seasons. If you insist this must be a tank, we’re now in the third season of it.

But it isn’t a tank it’s just the same old rubbish, from a franchise management that has lost its way when it comes to assembling and fielding a good team. And it isn’t going to be fixed with only a high draft pick or two.



Lastly, I’m also aware of how it works for the minimum team salary, …

Sure, after I told you.

[FutureMan]

Ok.





Vassell, eh? Last year, eh? Tell you what. Go look at the G League last year and see what a fool you are.




Liar. I remind you of what you wrote:

“2. sign a quality role player - McDermott”

That is an exact quote from you. See that name there? You don’t seem “weirdly defensive” about it, you seem outright dishonest about it.

On the logic of your contention:

Given, the Spurs needed 3pt shooting. Everybody who follows the team knows that.

Fact, they sign a 3pt shooter.

Therefore, they are tanking.

You claim. Not your best effort. An attempt to correct a deficiency is not a sign of tanking.

Pointing to a player who is not a 3pt shooter would have been more in keeping with your argument. Like Thad Young.




You are making me continue to wonder if you drink. At the risk of repeating myself,

Given, the Spurs needed 3pt shooting. Everybody who follows the team knows that.

Fact, they sign a 3pt shooter.

Therefore, they are tanking. You claim.

Forbes is a 3pt shooter. When a team that needs 3pt shooting signs a 3pt shooter, that is not an indication of tanking. It indicates an attempt at improvement.




It isn’t different just because you imagine it’s different.



No, it isn’t. It’s another lousy year because of a poorly-constructed roster, questionable coaching, etc., the same as we’ve seen in the two previous (losing) seasons. If you insist this must be a tank, we’re now in the third season of it.

But it isn’t a tank it’s just the same old rubbish, from a franchise management that has lost its way when it comes to assembling and fielding a good team. And it isn’t going to be fixed with only a high draft pick or two.



Sure, after I told you.


Liar? You can’t say what someone is thinking. Plus you’re wrong.

I don’t post often but almost every post I’ve made over the last few months is how the spurs lack 3 point shooting. I even pointed out that McDermott and Forbes wouldn’t fix it… and they didn’t.

On the note of McDermott and the rotations I’ll kill two bird with one stone. McDermott is a bench player. I bet he doesn’t start next year. Let’s see who is right.

On Vassell you are incredibly wrong. Basic math time!!!

Vassell played in 62 games, started in 7 of them, and played 1,056 minutes. We are 15 game in so that’s 67 games left. Primo has played only 9 minutes. So 1,056-9 = 1,047. 1,047/67 = 15.6. 15.6 minutes a game starting TODAY. You honestly think Primo is going to get there??

And lastly. No not because you told me. Because I already knew and have known for years. It’s just amazing how wrong you are. Wrong on assuming what I know and don’t know, wrong on Primo, wrong on the differences of this year vs prior years… let’s just wait and see who ends up being right ok?

[JeffDuncan]

Liar? You can’t say what someone is thinking. Plus you’re wrong.


I’m right about what you wrote. If you’re not expressing your thoughts, that’s on you.

Why don’t you simply admit you offered a bad argument? These things happen. Life goes on.

When a team that needs 3pt shooting signs 3pt shooters, it is not a sign that they’re tanking. It’s a sign they’re trying to improve.

Whether they do improve is a different issue. The offense and coaching, and the capabilities of the other players, make all the difference in utilizing those 3pt shooters. It’s a team sport.



On Vassell you are incredibly wrong. …


Could Pop have sent Vassell to the G league in November of last year?




And lastly. No not because you told me. Because I already knew and have known for years. …


That’s fine.

The Spurs aren’t tanking, they’re just weak. Still.

[FutureMan]

I’m right about what you wrote. If you’re not expressing your thoughts, that’s on you.

Why don’t you simply admit you offered a bad argument? These things happen. Life goes on.

When a team that needs 3pt shooting signs 3pt shooters, it is not a sign that they’re tanking. It’s a sign they’re trying to improve.

Whether they do improve is a different issue. The offense and coaching, and the capabilities of the other players, make all the difference in utilizing those 3pt shooters. It’s a team sport.



Could Pop have sent Vassell to the G league in November of last year?




That’s fine.

The Spurs aren’t tanking, they’re just weak. Still.

It all boils down to a difference in opinion on tanking and the fact that you didn’t like the way I typed it out.

So let’s agree to disagree. We’ll see if Primo plays 1,000 minutes this year & if McDermott starts next year

[KingKev]

It all boils down to a difference in opinion on tanking and the fact that you didn’t like the way I typed it out.

So let’s agree to disagree. We’ll see if Primo plays 1,000 minutes this year & if McDermott starts next year

Hopefully White, Walker and Forbes are mot here next year such that Primo is forced to play a regular role.

[FutureMan]

Hopefully White, Walker and Forbes are mot here next year such that Primo is forced to play a regular role.

I see Forbes as a filer until Primo enters the rotation next year.

Walker is being given a shot to show if he can even be in the rotation and he is blowing it. Luckily the Spurs have $$$ going into the off-season so he will be replaceable.

As for White, while I wouldn’t blame the Spurs for trading him. It is my opinion he will be moved to the bench next year in favor of Vassell. He should’ve already but again, in my opinion, we’re not trying to win games here.

We need a franchise player to build around. I believe we will have that next year or the year after if needed.

[KingKev]

I see Forbes as a filer until Primo enters the rotation next year.

Walker is being given a shot to show if he can even be in the rotation and he is blowing it. Luckily the Spurs have $$$ going into the off-season so he will be replaceable.

As for White, while I wouldn’t blame the Spurs for trading him. It is my opinion he will be moved to the bench next year in favor of Vassell. He should’ve already but again, in my opinion, we’re not trying to win games here.

We need a franchise player to build around and we are halfway to a decent rotation.

I agree with this. I still think D White has some value league wide, for me I just think he is a likely candidate to move in a potential package with Thad and Walker. We have a possible top 5 pick imminent where I think we draft the best player available. Time to start extracting value from
some of this backlog of decent tweeners.

[JeffDuncan]

It all boils down to a difference in opinion on tanking and the fact that you didn’t like the way I typed it out.


Lying about what I posted isn’t helping you.




So let’s agree to disagree. We’ll see if Primo plays 1,000 minutes this year & if McDermott starts next year

Answer the question about sending Vassell to the G league last year. Double dog dare you.

McDermott is a 3pt shooter. The Spurs need 3pt shooting, so they sign a 3pt shooter, and you claim that means they’re tanking. C’mon now.

[FutureMan]

Lying about what I posted isn’t helping you.




Answer the question about sending Vassell to the G league last year. Double dog dare you.

McDermott is a 3pt shooter. The Spurs need 3pt shooting, so they sign a 3pt shooter, and you claim that means they’re tanking. C’mon now.


Lying about how we have a difference of opinion on if the team is tanking on purpose or not?? Now I’m confused �� Is that not what you are arguing? Are we both saying the same thing and don’t even realize it???

I looked up the Gleague and it wasn’t even around in November which makes your remarks even more strange to me. I also care very very little for the G-League so not sure what exactly happened there. You implied Primo will be treated the same as Vassell and I disagreed. But hey, there’s still time for Primo to play those 1,047 minutes.

On a semi related note, it clicked the night of the draft for me. I was confused like many others about Primo getting picked but then an analyst said something to the effect of “Primo is a player that, if he would’ve chosen to sit out this years draft, would’ve been a lottery pick in the 2022-23 draft”. I was sold. Two rotation lottery level players at the same time for the 2022-23 season.

Going back to your post and I guess McDermott… again…. I never said that McDermott is a sign of a tanking team. This goes back to the fact that you didn’t like the way I typed it out initially. BUT starting him is, IMO, a way to lose games though (as is Bates-Diop from tonight). McDermott is a quality bench playoff level player and I anticipate him being so next year.

We communicate very differently. I get it. It’s an online forum. If you have any other questions or need me to be more clear about a particular part of a post. Just ask.

[KobesAchilles]

It kinda feels like Pop is having open try outs for the team. A couple of things here, if you are planning to have DJ as your best player then you better surround him with shooters. KJ and White are doing him no favors. You can’t start Primo bc Pop won’t even let him play a minute nvm starting him but he fills that void. Switch White with Primo and KJ with Vassell.

Bring KJ, Lonnie, White off the bench. But we need 3point shooting and we need it badly.

I’m not even sure how to fix this mess of a roster tbh. Let Lonnie walk is the first step. Cut Forbes is the next. Bring up Primo as our back up SG with Tre as the PG. I would trade Murray but only for the right package. I still don’t like Jak as our starting Center. The dude just clogs up driving lanes and has no clue how to run a fast break which irks me. There were 3 plays last night where if Jak would’ve just hustled a bit and gotten in the way of Murray’s man while Murray was bringing the ball up then Murray had wide open lay ups. Ayton was gassed for some reason and at like the other foul line and Jak just showed no energy and hustle to get it done. I’m not even sure it passed his mind to do that. He did t have to set a screen just run up the floor and be a big log in people’s way. It’s things like this I notice about him. I love him as a bench big.

But the problem is that we still have no direction. The only position we are set at is Vassell as our starting 3 going forward. How do you fix a roster when that’s literally all that’s set? :lmao

[rjv]

it's obvious the spurs need a big and shooting so one goes from there: get rid of what you cannot develop and then draft players or sign FAs that address those needs.

[JeffDuncan]

Lying about how we have a difference of opinion …


Nope. It isn’t merely opinion that the Spurs need 3pt shooting, and that McDermott & Forbes are 3pt shooters. Those are objective facts. For verification, see the stats gathered by independent observers.

But you know this. You know those facts.

We are not talking about “opinion” here.

You started this. One of your points, in your original post, specifically cited McDermott. You listed the signing of McDermott as evidence of tanking.

But what that amounts to, is you trying to claim that when a team that needs 3pt shooting signs a 3pt shooter, it indicates they’re tanking. Which is rubbish.

Look, all I’ve been trying to tell you is that your tanking argument, as you offered it, is garbage. Simply that.




I looked up the Gleague and it wasn’t even around in November …


You offered Vassell, last year, as a comparison to Primo being sent to the G league this year.

But could Vassell, last year, have been sent down to the G league? No.

It wasn’t physically possible for Pop to send a rookie Vassell to the G league. Like he did with Primo this year.

That is the point. Your comparison was not valid.

I am merely telling you exactly that. It was not a valid comparison. Which means it is not valid as any evidence of tanking.



…You implied Primo will be treated the same as Vassell and I disagreed.


No, I was only trying to tell you what I’m still trying to tell you now.




Going back to your post and I guess McDermott… again…. I never said that McDermott is a sign of a tanking team. …


You did. You cited him by name in your “tanking” checklist.




This goes back to the fact that you didn’t like the way I typed it out initially. …


This is not about the way you type. It’s about your tanking argument being garbage.




BUT starting him is, IMO, a way to lose games though …


Geez. You’re now trying to claim that when a team that needs 3pt shooting has a 3pt shooter as a starter it means they’re tanking.




We communicate very differently. …


Yeah. I make sense and you don’t.

You want a tanking argument? Some evidence that does imply tanking this year? Follow along.

Look at the DDR s&t.

What did the Spurs give up in that trade? They gave up their top scorer (21.6 ppg last season) and top assist man (6.9 apg.) Since it’s a business, we could also look at the $27.7M of salary they previously paid DDR.

What did the Spurs get back in that trade, in terms of on-court performance this year? And salary?

Hutchison, cut, worthless, at a cost of $4M.

Aminu, cut, worthless, at a cost of $10M.

A future 1st round pick, which is worthless for this season’s production.

Young, 7.8 ppg and 3.2 apg currently, at a cost of $14M.

The net, -13.8 ppg and -3.7 apg, at a cost which is essentially the same. In fact, a slightly higher cost.

Now THAT looks like tanking. Paying a little more for a whole lot less, and getting no players who address a serious team need. That trade was a tanker’s dream come true.

Also, having a part-time backup center who’s paid substantially more than the starting center is certain to damage team morale. Thus leading to more losses.

1. Throw away a big pile of money.
2. Make the team worse.
3. Damage team morale.

Tanker heaven.

But there’s an alternative theory, that it isn’t tanking, it’s only the Spurs management being the stupidest clucks in the NBA. Could be.

[MultiTroll]

Greggs witty "Coco Puffs" comments should have us all feeling the Spurs are in good hands.
Let's hope he stays forever.

Spurs news: Gregg Popovich hilarious response on firing up young players (clutchpoints.com) (https://clutchpoints.com/spurs-news-gregg-popovich-gives-hilarious-response-on-firing-up-san-antonio-young-players/)

[FutureMan]

Nope. It isn’t merely opinion that the Spurs need 3pt shooting, and that McDermott & Forbes are 3pt shooters. Those are objective facts. For verification, see the stats gathered by independent observers.

But you know this. You know those facts.

We are not talking about “opinion” here.

You started this. One of your points, in your original post, specifically cited McDermott. You listed the signing of McDermott as evidence of tanking.

But what that amounts to, is you trying to claim that when a team that needs 3pt shooting signs a 3pt shooter, it indicates they’re tanking. Which is rubbish.

Look, all I’ve been trying to tell you is that your tanking argument, as you offered it, is garbage. Simply that.




You offered Vassell, last year, as a comparison to Primo being sent to the G league this year.

But could Vassell, last year, have been sent down to the G league? No.

It wasn’t physically possible for Pop to send a rookie Vassell to the G league. Like he did with Primo this year.

That is the point. Your comparison was not valid.

I am merely telling you exactly that. It was not a valid comparison. Which means it is not valid as any evidence of tanking.




No, I was only trying to tell you what I’m still trying to tell you now.




You did. You cited him by name in your “tanking” checklist.




This is not about the way you type. It’s about your tanking argument being garbage.




Geez. You’re now trying to claim that when a team that needs 3pt shooting has a 3pt shooter as a starter it means they’re tanking.




Yeah. I make sense and you don’t.

You want a tanking argument? Some evidence that does imply tanking this year? Follow along.

Look at the DDR s&t.

What did the Spurs give up in that trade? They gave up their top scorer (21.6 ppg last season) and top assist man (6.9 apg.) Since it’s a business, we could also look at the $27.7M of salary they previously paid DDR.

What did the Spurs get back in that trade, in terms of on-court performance this year? And salary?

Hutchison, cut, worthless, at a cost of $4M.

Aminu, cut, worthless, at a cost of $10M.

A future 1st round pick, which is worthless for this season’s production.

Young, 7.8 ppg and 3.2 apg currently, at a cost of $14M.

The net, -13.8 ppg and -3.7 apg, at a cost which is essentially the same. In fact, a slightly higher cost.

Now THAT looks like tanking. Paying a little more for a whole lot less, and getting no players who address a serious team need. That trade was a tanker’s dream come true.

Also, having a part-time backup center who’s paid substantially more than the starting center is certain to damage team morale. Thus leading to more losses.

1. Throw away a big pile of money.
2. Make the team worse.
3. Damage team morale.

Tanker heaven.

But there’s an alternative theory, that it isn’t tanking, it’s only the Spurs management being the stupidest clucks in the NBA. Could be.

Now I see the issue. My first post wasn’t a guide to tanking. It was what I saw as the plan to do a quick tank and then be able to immediately compete again. McDermott was FA 1 of 2. One for each year to add to a playoff rotation level team.

Again, I’ll say it again since you don’t understand my posts well. The initial post was a combination of tanking and preparing for the following season.

Besides Primo, who I see as an outlier for his age and my tanking belief, the Spurs don’t send lottery level players or lottery level talent (Leonard-pick 15) to the GLeague.

You can add that DeRozan trade onto my list as well. Prepare for the future, lose this year. We’ll see what they do with Young.

We just disagree about many many things. I see the DeRozan trade as a good one and possibly a very good one, sounds like you don’t. It is unknown how good the trade will be until draft picks get selected. Also it’s beyond weird for any player to focus on a traded expiring players contract who will likely be traded. So that shows me where you stand mentally there along with your comment about the Spurs organization.

Going back to McDermott, you’ve gotta know the difference between starting a player vs having them come off the bench. Right? Maybe that’s a core reason why you don’t see what I’m seeing. Idk. After your last post I’m not confident in your ability to break down this team so I think we’re done here. Like I said earlier, let’s just agree to disagree and move on.

[stnick2261]

Everyone could see the Spurs are putting all of their eggs into the 2023 summer. Primo wasn't drafted to add wins this year. In fact, adding wins this year gets us a worse draft pick to join next summer. None of the Spurs moves this past summer were done to add wins this year. They added assets that they could try to flip (Young), flyers on young players (Collins, Landale, Cacok - none of whom are guaranteed past summer 2023), and a single FA with money owed past summer 2023 (McDermott). Right now, they are in the rebuild/tanking stage of "throw everything on the wall to see if it sticks". Sadly, that also means that players who are eligible for GLeague should get their minutes there so PATFO has enough minutes to evaluate everybody else. There is no need to rush Primo into the main squad. He is young enough that he'll be entering his prime after 10 years of NBA experience.

Next summer, I expect a more refined role/rotation for everybody... adding Primo and '22 Draft pick (showcasing the team, going for wins, and developing the winning mentality before '23 free agency).

Summer '23, I expect them to fill any gaps in FA with a ton of available space ($70mil+).

[JeffDuncan]

Now I see the issue. My first post wasn’t a guide to tanking. …


You don’t see anything. Or you don’t want to.

I didn’t offer anything at all about your post being a “guide to tanking.” Stop misrepresenting what I post to you.



It was what I saw as the plan to do a quick tank and then be able to immediately compete again. …


It was your argument that the Spurs are tanking this year. Trouble is, your argument was garbage. It proved no such thing.

But you want to be in your own fantasy world and pretend that you proved something. However, when you make a post for others to read, you leave your personal space, and you enter the realm of public discussion. And you risk criticism. You risk rebuttal.

That is called reality.



Besides Primo, who I see as an outlier for his age and my tanking belief, …


“Belief” is fine. Nothing about your beliefs is at issue here.

But it is not too much to ask that you face facts honestly, when you engage in public discussion.



You can add that DeRozan trade onto my list as well. …


Well you could at least say “thank you,” you rude, shitty little nitwit.

How old are you? Your screen name means you’ll be a man at some time in the future, is that it? You are not much like a man now.



We just disagree about many many things. …


What we disagree about is, specifically, the argument you offered. Lying about that doesn’t help you.



I see the DeRozan trade as a good one …


For this season? Which is what we’re talking about.



Going back to McDermott, you’ve gotta know the difference between starting a player vs having them come off the bench. Right? Maybe that’s a core reason why you don’t see what I’m seeing. …


The reason you can’t see what others do is because you retreat to your own little fantasy world, where things like facts and logic don’t intrude.

Little boy, when a team that needs 3pt shooting signs a 3pt shooter, that is not a sign that they’re tanking.

Except maybe in your own little fantasy world where only you live.

[FutureMan]

You don’t see anything. Or you don’t want to.

I didn’t offer anything at all about your post being a “guide to tanking.” Stop misrepresenting what I post to you.



It was your argument that the Spurs are tanking this year. Trouble is, your argument was garbage. It proved no such thing.

But you want to be in your own fantasy world and pretend that you proved something. However, when you make a post for others to read, you leave your personal space, and you enter the realm of public discussion. And you risk criticism. You risk rebuttal.

That is called reality.



“Belief” is fine. Nothing about your beliefs is at issue here.

But it is not too much to ask that you face facts honestly, when you engage in public discussion.



Well you could at least say “thank you,” you rude, shitty little nitwit.

How old are you? Your screen name means you’ll be a man at some time in the future, is that it? You are not much like a man now.



What we disagree about is, specifically, the argument you offered. Lying about that doesn’t help you.



For this season? Which is what we’re talking about.



The reason you can’t see what others do is because you retreat to your own little fantasy world, where things like facts and logic don’t intrude.

Little boy, when a team that needs 3pt shooting signs a 3pt shooter, that is not a sign that they’re tanking.

Except maybe in your own little fantasy world where only you live.


There you go again assuming things. This time by a persons username? Then you try to follow up with name calling. Now that’s a way to help your point.

We disagree as to what the team is doing and a number of other things. Be mature about it and move on. I won’t convince you and you won’t convince me. All we can do is hope for the best for the Spurs and see what happens.

[SayTown]

To win championships and even make it to the finals a team usually has an actual or future MVP on the roster. The Spurs were lucky to have had MVPS with Robinson and Duncan the last thirty years. The Spurs could easily go the next 50 years without an MVP and we know that no MVP player is going to sign with San Antonio as a free agent. We would have to draft an MVP player and that's not as simple as just tanking and getting high draft picks.

[gambit1990]

the spurs only have one more win than the pelicans... and the pelicans haven't had zion all year...

[JeffDuncan]

the spurs only have one more win than the pelicans... and the pelicans haven't had zion all year...

Well, the Spurs haven’t had Zion all year either.

[Brazil]

Well, the Spurs haven’t had Zion all year either.

:lol

[KobesAchilles]

Sure would've been nice to trade for Gordon Hayward. But nope, all of Spurstalk said he washed. Dude has been having a stellar season. He's the perfect teammate to have for these youngings. He doesn't demand the ball, plays in the flow of the offense, is smart and moves well without the ball. Everything you could want in a player... unless you post here of course

[MultiTroll]

Sure would've been nice to trade for Gordon Hayward. But nope, all of Spurstalk said he washed. Dude has been having a stellar season. He's the perfect teammate to have for these youngings. He doesn't demand the ball, plays in the flow of the offense, is smart and moves well without the ball. Everything you could want in a player... unless you post here of course
Should we bookmark to see if he is injured soon?
Not wishing injury upon him just saying for the $$$ he makes and his China Doll past it's not a lock that was / is such a great signing.

[playbonner15]

Well, the Spurs haven’t had Zion all year either.
Whataburger is ready for Zion

[gambit1990]

i tried telling y'all.

[K...]

According to multiple reports, a heated exchange at halftime between long-time NBA assistant coach John Lucas and players Christian Wood and Kevin Porter Jr. devolved into Porter throwing something across the locker room then leaving the arena at halftime, while Wood refused to check in during the second half (although coach Stephen Silas said he c https://sports.yahoo.com/rockets-kevin-porter-jr-reportedly-080201591.html


you mean like this kind of rebuild it what you prefer?

[Sugus]

https://sports.yahoo.com/rockets-kevin-porter-jr-reportedly-080201591.html


you mean like this kind of rebuild it what you prefer?

Y-you don't understand!! Wood is such an amazing player!! And they got KPJ For NOTHING who the Spurs absolutely should've taken!!! Rockettes are ACING their rebuild while the Spurs will NEVER get to those heights!!!!

[Maddog]

Sure would've been nice to trade for Gordon Hayward. But nope, all of Spurstalk said he washed. Dude has been having a stellar season. He's the perfect teammate to have for these youngings. He doesn't demand the ball, plays in the flow of the offense, is smart and moves well without the ball. Everything you could want in a player... unless you post here of course

He's not going to make the Spurs a contender this year or next. He's owed 60+ over the next two years.

[TD 21]

Still think this is true. Sure, they have a higher short term floor than the Rockets and perpetually injured Pelicans, but those teams have higher long term ceilings for obvious reasons.

[KobesAchilles]

He's not going to make the Spurs a contender this year or next. He's owed 60+ over the next two years.
We aren’t contending anytime soon with any player. Even if we get a great college player it would be 4 years before we could contend. Hell the Mavs aren’t even contenders and they have Luka.

[gambit1990]

https://sports.yahoo.com/rockets-kevin-porter-jr-reportedly-080201591.html


you mean like this kind of rebuild it what you prefer?
christian wood is a good trade chip tbh. and the rockets will end up with higher pick than the spurs.

[gambit1990]

not even trying to be rude or troll but why would anyone have hope in this team?

internal improvement? :lol
gonna sign a big name FA? :lol

lamarcus, demarre carroll, rudy gay, demar... all people who wanted out...

again, things aren't going great for HOU or NO but at least they're gonna get a higher pick.

[gambit1990]

https://i1.wp.com/grandofdublin.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/kubler-ross.jpg

[gambit1990]

pelicans: 18-28
spurs: 17-30

[DeRozan m8]

pelicans: 18-28
spurs: 17-30

We are tanking, you inbred incel

Your team is sitting in no man's land, with no future.
Always been an irrelevant team that no one gives a fuck about

Really weird you constantly bump this when no-one cares, get a life, pathetic cunt

[horseshue]

Magic and pistons are tanking, spurs are playing to win, but they are just very bad.

[exstatic]

Magic and pistons are tanking, spurs are playing to win, but they are just very bad.

Bad luck and bad timing, but it works. With our net rating bbref has our expected record at 23-24. That’s quite a difference from the actual record. We’ve just lost a ton of close games.

[KobesAchilles]

Bad luck and bad timing, but it works. With our net rating bbref has our expected record at 23-24. That’s quite a difference from the actual record. We’ve just lost a ton of close games.
5th best in the west :lmao

[MannyIsGod]

5th best in the west :lmao

That stupid fucking thread is gonna be memed to the point its annoying AF.

[KobesAchilles]

That stupid fucking thread is gonna be memed to the point its annoying AF.
It's just such a stupid thing to look at some algorithm and be like whelp we should actually be 23 and 24 but it's all due to bad luck that we are 17-30 instead. Like you caan't lose THIRTY games out of 47 and be like whelp we are WAAY better than our record suggests.

I mean find the 6 wins out of our next 10 games? I see 3 winnable ones against OKC and HOU twice. But besides that it's MEM, GS, Pho, CHIx2, MIA, ATL. It's a hard schedule coming up

[KingKev]

It's just such a stupid thing to look at some algorithm and be like whelp we should actually be 23 and 24 but it's all due to bad luck that we are 17-30 instead. Like you caan't lose THIRTY games out of 47 and be like whelp we are WAAY better than our record suggests.

I mean find the 6 wins out of our next 10 games? I see 3 winnable ones against OKC and HOU twice. But besides that it's MEM, GS, Pho, CHIx2, MIA, ATL. It's a hard schedule coming up

Most on this board lack objectivity. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Mine is we are actually out punching our weight class, as evidenced by those close games. I guess this is what makes a market.

[KobesAchilles]

Most on this board lack objectivity. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Mine is we are actually out punching our weight class, as evidenced by those close games. I guess this is what makes a market.
We have the 6th worst record in the league and we are out punching our weight class? It's nice that we are having close games, but this is the NBA unless you reeeally suck then you are going to be in a buncha close games. People didn't pay attention to that fact when we were winning in the Big 3 era but we had a buncha close games. Teams don't scout us or give aa flying flip about us so they mail it in until they have to actually try. We are an easy w.

There aare many positives about the season besides record and I agree with a lot of them. But we aren't better than our record

[KingKev]

We have the 6th worst record in the league and we are out punching our weight class? It's nice that we are having close games, but this is the NBA unless you reeeally suck then you are going to be in a buncha close games. People didn't pay attention to that fact when we were winning in the Big 3 era but we had a buncha close games. Teams don't scout us or give aa flying flip about us so they mail it in until they have to actually try. We are an easy w. There aare many positives about the season besides record and I agree with a lot of them. But we aren't better than our record

I was agreeing with you but now I’m not clear on what you are b!tching about. I think our record is appropriate but I expected it to be worse; we should be closer to the Pistons/Magic given our level of talent. At least our guys are playing hard, morale remains level with a lottery pick on deck.

[KobesAchilles]

I was agreeing with you but now I’m not clear on what you are b!tching about. I think our record is appropriate but I expected it to be worse; we should be closer to the Pistons/Magic given our level of talent. At least our guys are playing hard, morale remains level with a lottery pick on deck.
Tough day. I guess I was bitching just to bitch :lol

Things I like from our team recently is we are shooting the 3 ball finally. For the most part our guys play hard. DJ has been a great watch all season. We got rid of Forbes finally! Primo played. Vassell looks nice. And lastly maybe a team is actually willing to trade with us and we accept?

This season hasn’t been a hard one to watch tbh. It’s been a lot of fun. Frustrating to see them lose but at least we are finally playing to all our strengths. Just need 9 more for Pop and that’s good enough for me

[KingKev]

Tough day. I guess I was bitching just to bitch :lol

Things I like from our team recently is we are shooting the 3 ball finally. For the most part our guys play hard. DJ has been a great watch all season. We got rid of Forbes finally! Primo played. Vassell looks nice. And lastly maybe a team is actually willing to trade with us and we accept?

This season hasn’t been a hard one to watch tbh. It’s been a lot of fun. Frustrating to see them lose but at least we are finally playing to all our strengths. Just need 9 more for Pop and that’s good enough for me

haha I agree with all of this homie!

[MannyIsGod]

I do think we're a bit better than the record suggests we are, but not much. I definitely don't think this team is a .500 team. DEFINITELY don't think they're top 5 in the west (I mean what the fuck).

[Mr. Body]

It seems clear there is only one All-Star level on the roster, which is Murray, and barely any plus players after him. Poeltl is very good, but limited, more of a good anchor than who can swing games. I feel like we've seen the best from White already, Keldon is incredibly limited, Walker is meh, and Vassell is dubious in my mind. I doubt he'll become the dynamic force some project him to be. Primo is the only one who might get to where Murray is right now and the question is keeping Murray long-term.

[TD 21]

I don't view the point differential as an indication that they're close to being a solid team, more like they're a clear step above the terrible teams. But that's not an accomplishment because those teams either have or at likelier to have higher ceiling young talent + extra picks going forward.

Meanwhile, the closest thing they have to a star can't manufacture efficient offense, virtually no on outside of him can create it period and their supposed defensive potential hasn't come to pass because they're too small and still forced to play designated shooters who are defensive liabilities in outsized roles because of the inability of their core to space the floor.



It seems clear there is only one All-Star level on the roster, which is Murray, and barely any plus players after him. Poeltl is very good, but limited, more of a good anchor than who can swing games. I feel like we've seen the best from White already, Keldon is incredibly limited, Walker is meh, and Vassell is dubious in my mind. I doubt he'll become the dynamic force some project him to be. Primo is the only one who might get to where Murray is right now and the question is keeping Murray long-term.

White, Poeltl and arguably Murray have graduated to young veterans, while Walker IV is a replacement player.

That leaves Johnson, Vassell, Primo and maybe Collins who qualify as notable youth.

They only have three legit starters (obviously Murray, White, Poeltl) and three other surefire rotation players (Vassell, Johnson, McDermott) period.

[KingKev]

I don't view the point differential as an indication that they're close to being a solid team, more like they're a clear step above the terrible teams. But that's not an accomplishment because those teams either have or at likelier to have higher ceiling young talent + extra picks going forward.

Meanwhile, the closest thing they have to a star can't manufacture efficient offense, virtually no on outside of him can create it period and their supposed defensive potential hasn't come to pass because they're too small and still forced to play designated shooters who are defensive liabilities in outsized roles because of the inability of their core to space the floor.




White, Poeltl and arguably Murray have graduated to young veterans, while Walker IV is a replacement player.

That leaves Johnson, Vassell, Primo and maybe Collins who qualify as notable youth.

They only have three legit starters (obviously Murray, White, Poeltl) and three other surefire rotation players (Vassell, Johnson, McDermott) period.


Pretty good analysis gents. Honestly. So what do we do about it?

[TD 21]

Pretty good analysis gents. Honestly. So what do we do about it?

At this point, I don't think there is much to do. Of course they should be amendable to trading White, Poeltl and even Murray, but I doubt they'd find a trade they perceive to be worth their while and it's not like the team is too good with them to not have at least a decent chance at a top few pick, so as ever expect inertia to win out.

Get a projected near immediate offensive centerpiece like Banchero, have Primo and Collins upgrade the replacement level play of Walker IV and the backup center carousel and they could be firmly in the middle class with upward mobility in short order.

Don't and they'll be spinning their wheels until they luck into that piece. Their bet seems to be that it'll happen developmentally, a la Parker, Scumbag and to a lesser extent Murray.

[gambit1990]

spurs can't win and the spurs can't tank, they're stuck.

[gambit1990]

what's worse is the spurs aren't stuck as pretender, they aren't one piece away. they're stuck in the worst place to be stuck in.

[KingKev]

Looking through the Grizz’s cap situation if they can salary dump Steven Adam’s final year ~18mm in 22/23 they should have about 45mm in cap this offseason (assuming they let Kyle Anderson walk). They own all their own FRPs and 3 future FRPs from Utah 22, LAL 22 and GS 24. That Lakers pick would easily be the 11th of 12th.

Top 3 team in the West with 3, 2022 FRP’s and tons of cap. Scary.

[gambit1990]

Looking through the Grizz’s cap situation if they can salary dump Steven Adam’s final year ~18mm in 22/23 they should have about 45mm in cap this offseason (assuming they let Kyle Anderson walk). They own all their own FRPs and 3 future FRPs from Utah 22, LAL 22 and GS 24. That Lakers pick would easily be the 11th of 12th.

Top 3 team in the West with 3, 2022 FRP’s and tons of cap. Scary.
ja has been great.

[RC_Drunkford]

nope

[Mr. Body]

How did the Rockets not manage to get anything for Gordon?

[gambit1990]

this thread may no longer be true, this thread was always about executing trades & acquiring picks, and that's what what the spurs did.

with that being said, i haven't had time to go over the players & picks the spurs got.

[tonight...you]

this thread may no longer be true, this thread was always about executing trades & acquiring picks, and that's what what the spurs did.

with that being said, i haven't had time to go over the players & picks the spurs got.
Your esteemed analysis is awaited with bated breath.

[gambit1990]

Your esteemed analysis is awaited with bated breath.
very true, someone in the another thread wanted me to bump this one.

[gambit1990]

i would still rather be the grizz or mavs. or pelicans (with a healthy zion, obviously).

rockets gonna have a nice, high draft pick and a huge expiring contract next season.

i also think murray will still want out.

[8sy21vd]

Let's see what they can do with this year's draft pick. It will top 5 and they can use their other picks and perhaps poetl or KJ to move even higher. That's the Spur's chance to draft that game changing talent they need. Trading White ensured they finish the season with the worst record possible while adding draft assets. Correct strategy.

[gambit1990]

spurs also haven’t been great at drafting.

hopefully they consolidate some picks for bradley beal.

[rankingtear]

HOU have the worst for sure. Passing on Mobley for Green is some Kangz level franchise killer.

[tbdog]

spurs also haven’t been great at drafting.

hopefully they consolidate some picks for bradley beal.

Beal is a 6ft4 sg that hasn't shot well for two years. He also couldn't lead his team to the play in despite having a 10-3 start. I don't get the love for Beal.

[cjw]

Beal is a 6ft4 sg that hasn't shot well for two years. He also couldn't lead his team to the play in despite having a 10-3 start. I don't get the love for Beal.

If I’m Beal, I’m absolutely opting out given there are no free agents on the market. And I hope another team with cap space grabs him so the Spurs can focus elsewhere.

When looking at various teams’ futures, don’t underrate cap flexibility and draft assets going forward:

The Porzingis situation absolutely screwed with Dallas, and they had to take back gross contracts like Bertans just to dump him. They’ll have to maneuver (give up draft capital) just to be able to surround Luka with complementary pieces. And their firsts are tied up until the pick to the Knicks conveys (they can always drop protections).
Houston is in cap hell for another year because of Wall, and some of their younger guys will be closer to being extended by the time they have space.
Pelicans all hinge on Zion. They’ve made their bed between CJ and Ingram, so won’t have a lot of cap flexibility.
Memphis looks great. Good thing this isn’t football where divisions matter!


I agree the Spurs have one sure-fire keeper in Murray, a lot of young guys that can go either way, and only one more year of cheap Poeltl after this. But they also have no bad contracts, and in fact a lot of contracts that are assets. They have three first rounders now besides their own. And they have potentially more cap space than any other team in the offseason. At least 20 GMs in the league would kill to be in the position the Spurs are in right now.

[KingKev]

If I’m Beal, I’m absolutely opting out given there are no free agents on the market. And I hope another team with cap space grabs him so the Spurs can focus elsewhere.

When looking at various teams’ futures, don’t underrate cap flexibility and draft assets going forward:

The Porzingis situation absolutely screwed with Dallas, and they had to take back gross contracts like Bertans just to dump him. They’ll have to maneuver (give up draft capital) just to be able to surround Luka with complementary pieces. And their firsts are tied up until the pick to the Knicks conveys (they can always drop protections).
Houston is in cap hell for another year because of Wall, and some of their younger guys will be closer to being extended by the time they have space.
Pelicans all hinge on Zion. They’ve made their bed between CJ and Ingram, so won’t have a lot of cap flexibility.
Memphis looks great. Good thing this isn’t football where divisions matter!


I agree the Spurs have one sure-fire keeper in Murray, a lot of young guys that can go either way, and only one more year of cheap Poeltl after this. But they also have no bad contracts, and in fact a lot of contracts that are assets. They have three first rounders now besides their own. And they have potentially more cap space than any other team in the offseason. At least 20 GMs in the league would kill to be in the position the Spurs are in right now.

Yes in terms of draft capital, young players and cap space we have alot going for us.

Why i’m most hopeful now is that there seems to finally be a much needed shift in PATFO’s strategy. Brian Wright’s chastity belt has been removed.

[Dex]

WE STAAAAACKED (with picks)

[gambit1990]

Beal is a 6ft4 sg that hasn't shot well for two years. He also couldn't lead his team to the play in despite having a 10-3 start. I don't get the love for Beal.
i’m someone who was never high on beal.

but with that being said:
• he can score and would complement murray
• he’s loyal

i don’t blame him a ton for the wizards failures, he’s always had not good rosters.

there’s only so many players that the spurs can attain / keep. i think beal would appreciate a change of scenery and would be fine committing to san antonio.

[gambit1990]

i also haven’t looked up his stats. i’m sure there’s other options.

[gambit1990]

so what was the total sum of what the spurs traded for? what picks did they get / might get?

also, why are Josh Richardson & Romeo Langford racking up DNPs?

[John B]

It would be telling after the next off season what they would do with their multiple picks, assets and huge cap space. I sincerely hope this season would be the last season that the Spurs would tank if everything go their way.

[gambit1990]

hopefully they don't drop the ball on their high draft pick.

[gambit1990]

no quick turnaround in sight, which is exactly why the spurs should'e blown it up years ago... so they'd be years ahead at this point.

[gambit1990]

we'll see what happens, huh?

[gambit1990]

homers will be like: "LOL, you were so were so wrong!! the rockets are worse."

okay, cool. the worst team in the league might be worse than the spurs :lol

[Atl Spur]

Talk to me after this off-season..,,

[KingKev]

Talk to me after this off-season..,,

I literally had a fortune cookie read the same thing this weekend! Sans commas. Wild.

[gambit1990]

bump.

[gambit1990]

• mavs in the WCF
• grizzlies are for real with their coaching
• pelicans are for real with willie green coaching
• rockets getting the #3 pick

[gambit1990]

For real though the Pelicans look like trash without a lot of ways to fix their problems.

could say that about the spurs too tbh.
pelicans pulled ahead like i suggested they would.

[gambit1990]

never forget that i posted this thread when the spurs were on top.


Somehow someway despite the jeckyl Hyde season the Spurs are winning the division after this Boston win

https://i.ibb.co/PN3V42y/182-C5-F98-048-F-4-FAC-A295-EC3-AF5609-BDA.jpg

[KingKev]

They are going to have to have a hell of an offseason to even have a hope of sniffing the play-in

[offset formation]

never forget that i posted this thread when the spurs were on top.

Props to you. There was a time when you posted this I thought you were on crack, tbh. Plus I gave PATFO unjustifiable credit for how last years draftees would pan out. It's now pretty clear that Dallas and Memphis will continue to own us, and have a brighter near future, and will be challenging for LOBs for maybe the next 5 years or longer given they keep or add to their current rosters. Houston and OKC have a stockpile of not only young players with high ceilings but most importantly a load of draft picks that are likely to make them a huge pain in the ass in the very near future. OKC was already beating us before adding two top 12 picks this year, with more to come.

So, again, congrats to you for seeing that when some or even most of us were thinking we were looking good with a Murray, White, McDermott, Johnson, Poeltl lineup with Richardson, Jones, Vassell, Collins, Primo, and Walker as the primary backups. Now, at best, I'm only marginally excited about the future development of Murray, Johnson, Vassell, Primo, Jones, and *maybe* Langford. Thinking Poeltl and Walker will price themselves out of our cap situation.

So it comes down to what we get in this year's draft and front office moves if any glimmer of hope can still be there as the others clearly are ahead or passing us.

[slick'81]

Props to you. There was a time when you posted this I thought you were on crack, tbh. Plus I gave PATFO unjustifiable credit for how last years draftees would pan out. It's now pretty clear that Dallas and Memphis will continue to own us, and have a brighter near future, and will be challenging for LOBs for maybe the next 5 years or longer given they keep or add to their current rosters. Houston and OKC have a stockpile of not only young players with high ceilings but most importantly a load of draft picks that are likely to make them a huge pain in the ass in the very near future. OKC was already beating us before adding two top 12 picks this year, with more to come.

So, again, congrats to you for seeing that when some or even most of us were thinking we were looking good with a Murray, White, McDermott, Johnson, Poeltl lineup with Richardson, Jones, Vassell, Collins, Primo, and Walker as the primary backups. Now, at best, I'm only marginally excited about the future development of Murray, Johnson, Vassell, Primo, and Jones. Thinking Poeltl and Walker will price themselves out of our cap situation.

So it comes down to what we get in this year's draft and front office moves if any glimmer of hope can still be there as the others clearly are ahead or passing us.


Yup' spurs need a quality player or two out of this draft ,and a good fa wouldn't hurt either

[Sugus]

bump.

Why the bump so soon, though? I thought you were talking about the future, future, huh? Or is the timeline just whatever convenes to you in the moment...?

[JPB]

They are going to have to have a hell of an offseason to even have a hope of sniffing the play-in
They already were this year and will obviously be better next year with the youngsters getting more experienced + the 3 picks (whatever they make of it) + some cap + possible trades.

[John B]

It depends how “savvy” the PATFO is with the 3 FRP’s, possible trade assets and big cap space, in expediting the rebuild. I had questions on Primo pick and still remains to be seen. I still would’ve liked them to have embraced a full-tank and possibly next year, and get the highest possible draft if they don’t get the players they’re looking for. But knowing the Spurs culture so well, I’ve grown to have accepted. I mean by the end of the day, they do best for the franchise as well as for the fans.

[MannyIsGod]

bump.

The rockets have been worse than the Spurs since you posted this. So when does your future start cause the Spurs haven't finished worst in the division yet.

[K...]

The rockets have been worse than the Spurs since you posted this. So when does your future start cause the Spurs haven't finished worst in the division yet.

no the trick is teams worse than spurs are tanking good, teams better are better. it's a can't lose for OP. It's not a secret he posted this after the spurs lost the lottery because he's not smart enough to determine whether 3 FRP picks exceeds Houstons pick.

There's a whole cadre of guys who insist the spurs have to WIN NOW in ways they can understand rather than organically grow. They throw the term "treadmill " around like the spurs wouldn't be smart enough to know how to get around that.

[offset formation]

no the trick is teams worse than spurs are tanking good, teams better are better. it's a can't lose for OP. It's not a secret he posted this after the spurs lost the lottery because he's not smart enough to determine whether 3 FRP picks exceeds Houstons pick.

There's a whole cadre of guys who insist the spurs have to WIN NOW in ways they can understand rather than organically grow. They throw the term "treadmill " around like the spurs wouldn't be smart enough to know how to get around that.

Do you disagree with the premise raised or not though. Houston is clearly on a faster ramp upward, at least with the ceiling of their drafted players. Same could be said about OKC. Thus their trajectory may take them past us in the near term. Memphis and Dallas are clearly already ahead of us and will be for awhile if their GMs are even halfway competent.

[JPB]

Do you disagree with the premise raised or not though. Houston is clearly on a faster ramp upward, at least with the ceiling of their drafted players. Same could be said about OKC. Thus their trajectory may take them past us in the near term. Memphis and Dallas are clearly already ahead of us and will be for awhile if their GMs are even halfway competent.

"Houston is clearly on a faster ramp upward"... No.
"Same could be said about OKC.... No.

Spurs can very well pick a quality starter PF at 9, pick quality rotation players at 20 & 25 or use them for a trade or move up in the draft, then sign a marquee FA this year or in the future, which will make them competitive. It's also not out of the realm of possibilties than one or several of the current youngsters develop into quality players as well.

All that with in mind that there's no real superstars but a chunk of good players in this pretty homogeneous draft and you might end up with a better or equal player at 9 than 3, and a few good surprises in the late 20s.

[Maddog]

spurs have the worst future in their division
They do until they don't
You just never know.
You can look at GS who flayed away for years with high draft picks until they nailed 2 in short period of time. Phoenix really blew a lot of loterry picks till they got Booker and then few other things fell into place. Wasn't their a thread about Utah's core being better now they are headed for a rebuild.

[spurs1990]

Once they got rid of division winner seeding in 2015 (after Spurs getting screwed vs. Clippers) it made divisional matchups almost completely irrelevant.

The only difference with your divisional foes is that you play them 4 times each, while you may play the other intraconference teams 3 times.

Division opponents = 4x4 = 16 games
Interconference = 15x2 = 30 games
6 intraconference = 6x4 = 24 games
4 intraconference = 4x3 = 12 games

Not sure how they decide which 4 teams you only play 3 times, but it’s probably teams with better records than you had the previous season like the NFL did from 2002-2020.

Irregardless to all of that the only benefit is a fancy banner you can hang in the arena.

A footnote - up until 2006 he three division winners got seeds 1-3. It was after #1 San Antonio played #4 Dallas In the Semi’s that the league revised it to be top four seeds. San Antonio and Dallas were the two best teams in 2006.

Spurs were the root cause of getting rid of division winner seeding entirely, imo.

[baseline bum]

no the trick is teams worse than spurs are tanking good, teams better are better. it's a can't lose for OP. It's not a secret he posted this after the spurs lost the lottery because he's not smart enough to determine whether 3 FRP picks exceeds Houstons pick.

There's a whole cadre of guys who insist the spurs have to WIN NOW in ways they can understand rather than organically grow. They throw the term "treadmill " around like the spurs wouldn't be smart enough to know how to get around that.

You wouldn't trade 9+20+25 for 3?

[rascal]

Spurs have work to do to add potential top talent which they don't have currently on the roster.

They are built with just hopeful young guys but no one really has exceptional skills and look like they will take a big jump to star status with the current roster.

[rascal]

You wouldn't trade 9+20+25 for 3?

Yes and I would take Sharpe. He has a high ceiling. I'm looking to add future star talent.


You aren't likely to get that with any of those Spur draft picks. 20 and 25 have limited value. They may be players who won't even be good enough to make the team or be starters.

[gambit1990]

Props to you. There was a time when you posted this I thought you were on crack, tbh. Plus I gave PATFO unjustifiable credit for how last years draftees would pan out. It's now pretty clear that Dallas and Memphis will continue to own us, and have a brighter near future, and will be challenging for LOBs for maybe the next 5 years or longer given they keep or add to their current rosters. Houston and OKC have a stockpile of not only young players with high ceilings but most importantly a load of draft picks that are likely to make them a huge pain in the ass in the very near future. OKC was already beating us before adding two top 12 picks this year, with more to come.

So, again, congrats to you for seeing that when some or even most of us were thinking we were looking good with a Murray, White, McDermott, Johnson, Poeltl lineup with Richardson, Jones, Vassell, Collins, Primo, and Walker as the primary backups. Now, at best, I'm only marginally excited about the future development of Murray, Johnson, Vassell, Primo, Jones, and *maybe* Langford. Thinking Poeltl and Walker will price themselves out of our cap situation.

So it comes down to what we get in this year's draft and front office moves if any glimmer of hope can still be there as the others clearly are ahead or passing us.
:tu

i'm not even trying to trash the spurs. i'd rather them win the finals than be where they are now.

[gambit1990]

The rockets have been worse than the Spurs since you posted this. So when does your future start cause the Spurs haven't finished worst in the division yet.
it was never about finishing worst in the division. it was always about having the worst future.

maybe the spurs have a better future than the rockets? so that makes this thread an A- instead of an A+? i'll take that. like i mentioned, the spurs were at the top of the division when i posted this. it's not like they were near bottom.

[gambit1990]

the rockets have trade pieces in john wall, eric gordon, and christian wood. they also the #3 & #17 picks.

[offset formation]

the rockets have trade pieces in john wall, eric gordon, and christian wood. they also the #3 & #17 picks.

PLUS Jalen Green, Kevin Porter Jr, Josh Christopher, Alperen Sengun, Usman Garuba, Jaeshawn Tate, Kenyon Martin Jr, and Dennis Schroeder. And they'll likely be adding either Chet Holmgren or Paolo Banchero to that mix.

Three or more of those guys will be or have been all stars, which is beyond where the Spurs are.

One would have to be pretty dense to think Houston is not on a steeper trajectory towards long term competitiveness than the Spurs, quite frankly. The only way they aren't is if their front office fucks up properly managing all of their assets. They could easily have 2 first round picks or more for years to come just by moving the players that don't fit into their system. As you said, Wood, Wall, Gordon could do that in the right scenario to the right team. So could Kevin Porter Jr, Josh Christopher, Alperen Sengun, or maybe even Dennis Schroeder. Meanwhile they're running out three potential all stars every night and coming together as a young team.

[gambit1990]

mavs got christian wood for nearly nothing.

[Maddog]

PLUS Jalen Green, Kevin Porter Jr, Josh Christopher, Alperen Sengun, Usman Garuba, Jaeshawn Tate, Kenyon Martin Jr, and Dennis Schroeder. And they'll likely be adding either Chet Holmgren or Paolo Banchero to that mix.

Three or more of those guys will be or have been all stars, which is beyond where the Spurs are.

One would have to be pretty dense to think Houston is not on a steeper trajectory towards long term competitiveness than the Spurs, quite frankly. The only way they aren't is if their front office fucks up properly managing all of their assets. They could easily have 2 first round picks or more for years to come just by moving the players that don't fit into their system. As you said, Wood, Wall, Gordon could do that in the right scenario to the right team. So could Kevin Porter Jr, Josh Christopher, Alperen Sengun, or maybe even Dennis Schroeder. Meanwhile they're running out three potential all stars every night and coming together as a young team.

Yes they are- Currently
However these things can turn on a dime
Look back at GS- multiple top 10 picks that amounted to hardly anything
Even had good assets then they draft Curry Thompson and Green within a 3 year time frame
And it's not like they suddenly became brilliant the year after Curry they drafted at 6 Giogu
Phoenix was treading water till they struck gold with Devin Booker

[CGD]

Just wait until NOLA maxes Zion and hommie promptly eats his way to 400 lbs.

[rankingtear]

Houstons future just got better they got rid of Wood.

[Ocotillo]

I don't buy into the Spurs having the worst future. If you want to debate you can argue either side and it's all academic.

At the moment, Memphis looks like the real deal. I would anticipate they will only get better even standing pat only from development and maturity. Speculating whether Houston will screw up their opportunities and whether Zion ever reaches the potential is beyond what San Antonio can do. They can only manage what is under their control.

They have put themselves in a position of flexibility so they have options. They have assets to make a trade, they have cap space to sign people and they have young players that are growing. I like the future for the Spurs.

[John B]

Not for long :bobo

[slick'81]

Not for long :bobo

john b forever the optimist :smokin

[John B]

john b forever the optimist :smokin

I had my moments of weaknesses. If they messed up these 4 picks and huge cap, I’m telling you. :lol

[slick'81]

I had my moments of weaknesses. If they messed up these 4 picks and huge cap, I’m telling you. :lol


no matter how hard i try when i see your name this damn song keeps spinning in my head:lol


https://youtu.be/y5pD4nBabMk

[John B]

no matter how hard i try when i see your name this damn song keeps spinning in my head:lol


https://youtu.be/y5pD4nBabMk

Nice :toast. But this one works too :lol


https://youtu.be/VzZ-llBxuo0

[exstatic]

Yes they are- Currently
However these things can turn on a dime
Look back at GS- multiple top 10 picks that amounted to hardly anything
Even had good assets then they draft Curry Thompson and Green within a 3 year time frame
And it's not like they suddenly became brilliant the year after Curry they drafted at 6 Giogu
Phoenix was treading water till they struck gold with Devin Booker

Booker wasn’t what put them into contention. They never even made the playoffs until CP0 came to town, and suddenly, it’s a Finals and WCSF appearances in B2B years.

[slick'81]

Booker wasn’t what put them into contention. They never even made the playoffs until CP0 came to town, and suddenly, it’s a Finals and WCSF appearances in B2B years.

he didnt put them in contention.Still they arent getting to the finals without book

[gambit1990]

Just wait until NOLA maxes Zion and hommie promptly eats his way to 400 lbs.
nola would still be better than the spurs.

[gambit1990]

Houstons future just got better they got rid of Wood.
helps my thread.

the mavs got even better with getting him.

[gambit1990]

I don't buy into the Spurs having the worst future. If you want to debate you can argue either side and it's all academic.

At the moment, Memphis looks like the real deal. I would anticipate they will only get better even standing pat only from development and maturity. Speculating whether Houston will screw up their opportunities and whether Zion ever reaches the potential is beyond what San Antonio can do. They can only manage what is under their control.

They have put themselves in a position of flexibility so they have options. They have assets to make a trade, they have cap space to sign people and they have young players that are growing. I like the future for the Spurs.
like i posted before ... the spurs might be better than the worst team in the league?

i posted this thread when the spurs were #1 in the division.

[offset formation]

Damn...just saw the Rockets projected picks: Banchero, Eason or Williams, then Beauchamp.

That makes them a *nasty* team in 2 to 3 years, especially given they still have lots of picks incoming.

[Mr. Body]

Damn...just saw the Rockets projected picks: Banchero, Eason or Williams, then Beauchamp.

That makes them a *nasty* team in 2 to 3 years, especially given they still have lots of picks incoming.

Banchero and Senguin are going to be swiss cheese on defense. Eason will bust out because he doesn't understand basketball. I don't know which Williams this is and Beauchamp is probably pretty overrated. They will be hard to handle on offense but will give up tons of points as a team.

[offset formation]

Was Jaylin, the kid out of Arkansas I think. Not Jalen the one out of Santa Clara

[KobesAchilles]

Smith, Green, and Sengun. The future is looking bright for the Rockets. I better enjoy the $5 tix while I can (fucking Houston :lol ) bc pretty soon they are gonna be a playoff team. And by soon i mean 3 years

[BatManu20]

With KD & Kyrie about to be shipped out and the Nets about to be horrendous for years to come…

We’re fooked :lol

1542586277119381507

[RC_Drunkford]

With KD & Kyrie about to be shipped out and the Nets about to be horrendous for years to come…

We’re fooked :lol

1542586277119381507

5 years from now the Rockets Thunder and hopefully the Spurs will have 10 All-Stars in their rotation :lmao

[Mr. Body]

With KD & Kyrie about to be shipped out and the Nets about to be horrendous for years to come…

We’re fooked :lol

1542586277119381507

Swaps will require the Rockets to become a sure-fire playoff team, which is unclear.

I would guess the swaps give them a handful of spots at most. It all depends on what the Nets get in return for Durbeta and whether Sean Marks stays on. If Marks stays, he's shrewd enough to field a decent team, which is what he did in the first place, picking Carys Lavert, Spencer Dinwiddie, and D'Angelo Russell off the dung heap.

I will say the Rockets have been drafting pretty well, but like OKC, their real assets have come from their own top picks from being awful, not the ones anyone else has given them.

[Atl Spur]

Nets can still field a decent team if they play it right.

[lefty20]

With KD & Kyrie about to be shipped out and the Nets about to be horrendous for years to come…

We’re fooked :lol

1542586277119381507

Good thing about the swaps is that Houston will likely be picking in the lotto, at least for the 2023 draft.

[Mr. Body]

Swaps are extremely overrated.

[gambit1990]

i wanted the spurs to tank when it was obvious kawhi wasn't gonna play with the spurs again.

instead they went the demar route. and traded dejounte murray for picks from a team that may be top 5 in their conference :lol

[Ariel]

Swaps are extremely overrated.
If you're trading a star player to a team, a short term swap is meaningless. An UNPROTECTED, LONG TERM swap is VERY valuable, however. Such assembled teams usually don't have such a long lifespan. I think the Spurs played their cards right pushing the swap to 2026.

[gambit1990]

if the nets go full rebuild:

Basically, the Rockets have every Nets first-round draft pick until 2027, all unprotected, or the right to swap first-rounders if the Nets have the better pick.

https://sports.yahoo.com/kevin-durant-houston-rockets-trade-request-draft-picks-nba-212014882.htm (https://sports.yahoo.com/kevin-durant-houston-rockets-trade-request-draft-picks-nba-212014882.html)l

:lol

[KobesAchilles]

Grizz gonna tank next year too when Ja gets hurt. They already lost jjj. Imagine them getting a top 3 pick to go along their core :wow

[Ariel]

Grizz gonna tank next year too when Ja gets hurt. They already lost jjj. Imagine them getting a top 3 pick to go along their core :wow
Are you kidding me? They basically didn't skip a beat with Ja out. JJJ might be back by february. Also, they just drafted LaRavia and Roddy. AND they kept Tyus Jones. They'll be a playoff team even with those 2 out.

[gambit1990]

Are you kidding me? They basically didn't skip a beat with Ja out.
it was pretty crazy how well they played without ja.

[offset formation]

Bump.

OKC is going to be far better far sooner than anyone would have guessed. Chet with 6 blocks tonight.

[John B]

Bump.

OKC is going to be far better far sooner than anyone would have guessed. Chet with 6 blocks tonight.

B-but he’s too skinny

[offset formation]

They have a loaded group of youngsters with still a butt load of picks.

Same thing can be said of Rockets.

Meanwhile Mavs and Grizzlies are clear playoff teams.

We should have no problem having our ass handed to us in our division.

[gambit1990]

the best all-time thread on spurtalk?

[rascal]

For real though the Pelicans look like trash without a lot of ways to fix their problems.

You're wrong

[Atl Spur]

The pels will be nice if Zion stays healthy

[Ocotillo]

Actually, as Golden State starts to age, Phoenix implodes and the Lakers do whatever they end up doing, the division has the potential to be the strongest division in a couple of three years.

[offset formation]

Actually, as Golden State starts to age, Phoenix implodes and the Lakers do whatever they end up doing, the division has the potential to be the strongest division in a couple of three years.

No doubt. Which aside from getting someone like Wembanyama, we're likely going to be stuck at or near the bottom for awhile before we can climb our way back to the top.

The following scenario of a road trip through a Ja led Memphis team, followed by a Zion led NO team, then onto a Luka led Mavs team, then a young and extremely athletic Rockets team, and then finally onto an increasingly potential juggernaut in OKC before heading home is increasingly cringeworthy. Thing is, most of those teams not only have superstars manning their helm, they're loaded with lots of long and athletic depth. And in the case of OKC, the Rockets, and to a lesser extent Memphis and NO, they are chock full of really great picks.

We could be in for a really bleak, historically period of Spur success. Wembanyama to me is the primary avenue to avert that. Unless the team suddenly develops the ability to get FAs.

[JPB]

Bump.

OKC is going to be far better far sooner than anyone would have guessed. Chet with 6 blocks tonight.

Against kids.

[JPB]

Summer league means crap in a vaucum. Some guys shone and flopped in the NBA, some were meh then boomed.

Hey, not saying Chet ain't gonna be a-right.

[gambit1990]

Actually, as Golden State starts to age, Phoenix implodes and the Lakers do whatever they end up doing, the division has the potential to be the strongest division in a couple of three years.
:tu

[Mr. Body]

I wouldn't count on OKC too much. Presti seems allergic to acquiring the single most important skill in the NBA right now -- shooting.

[gambit1990]

you all are finally on the same page as me.

congrats.

[gambit1990]

You honestly believe you're smart? LMAO

[Dejounte]

This sad pathetic life that gambit has that he’s had to bump his own thread 128 (!!!!) times while everyone else in this thread has posted in it 20 times or less. Go get help. Text 988 for the suicide hotline. You clearly need attention from strangers.

[gambit1990]

This sad pathetic life that gambit has that he’s had to bump his own thread 128 (!!!!) times while everyone else in this thread has posted in it 20 times or less. Go get help. Text 988 for the suicide hotline. You clearly need attention from strangers.
:lmao

i didn’t bump this thread 128 times. it’s called replying to people in the thread.

[Dejounte]

:lmao

i didn’t bump this thread 128 times. it’s called replying to people in the thread.

…in the guise of bumping this thread

and it isn’t even true half of the time. You don’t have to look far to prove your dumbass wrong

https://i.ibb.co/P9nqS0g/E30449-A8-037-F-4754-9-F79-9-E4-ED569921-D.jpg

no one touched this thread for three weeks. You had to dig it up. This is a sign you need help. Just admit you were picked on because you were/are a dweeb and are suffering from trauma. You’re craving for attention so bad on the internet, it’s really quite sad. Do you have any family? Have they abandoned you? There’s ways to reach out to people if you need to talk. This forum isn’t it.

[gambit1990]

posts one picture :lol

go repost everything you posted on the first two pages of this thread when you thought i would be wrong.

[Dejounte]

…in the guise of bumping this thread

and it isn’t even true half of the time. You don’t have to look far to prove your dumbass wrong

https://i.ibb.co/P9nqS0g/E30449-A8-037-F-4754-9-F79-9-E4-ED569921-D.jpg

no one touched this thread for three weeks. You had to dig it up. This is a sign you need help. Just admit you were picked on because you were/are a dweeb and are suffering from trauma. You’re craving for attention so bad on the internet, it’s really quite sad. Do you have any family? Have they abandoned you? There’s ways to reach out to people if you need to talk. This forum isn’t it.

poor lonely child :lmao

needs attention from people online :lmao

[offset formation]

He ain't wrong tho. We do have the worst future in our own division as of **this moment**

Now it might and likely will change several times depending on health, development, and future draft picks, but your hostility towards gambit here seems misplaced.

And I don't really see the argument to the contrary at present. We have a worse trajectory over the next 5 years than NO, Memphis, Dallas, OKC, and yes, even Houston given their recent draft picks and still large amount of future picks.

Keeping it factual only, gambit nailed this, and did so a long time ago. Props, gambit. I'm now on board the we suck train, too.

[slick'81]

Yea,gambit called it but anyone with actual sense could see this coming. Our big3 of vassell/keldon/poodle isn't enticing enough. And lol @zollins finally becoming something

[Dejounte]

The point isn’t whether this dumbass was wrong or right, it’s his extreme desire to grab attention on this board by bumping a thread 120 times. There are old threads from a year ago when someone was right about some random fact but you don’t see those people constantly bumping that thread. If y’all don’t think that this is some unusual act, then I don’t know what to tell you. I mean, it’s unsurprising really, given the circlejerk about the Spurs being bad as if it’s something y’all are really proud of the Spurs for becoming. But props to you for making sure this mentally disabled child is getting some attention. Don’t want this dude to kill himself even after all that fact. He’s fucking stupid but it’s not his fault. Life is precious.

[KobesAchilles]

might as well keep this thread handy

[RC_Drunkford]

As of right now: he‘s right

[KingKev]

The point isn’t whether this dumbass was wrong or right, it’s his extreme desire to grab attention on this board by bumping a thread 120 times. There are old threads from a year ago when someone was right about some random fact but you don’t see those people constantly bumping that thread. If y’all don’t think that this is some unusual act, then I don’t know what to tell you. I mean, it’s unsurprising really, given the circlejerk about the Spurs being bad as if it’s something y’all are really proud of the Spurs for becoming. But props to you for making sure this mentally disabled child is getting some attention. Don’t want this dude to kill himself even after all that fact. He’s fucking stupid but it’s not his fault. Life is precious.


you pump your own tires every chance you get.

[Sugus]

As of right now: he‘s right

Yeah, he'd be right, if only for the fact that OP literally, explicitly states that this thread was never about the "right now", but about the "future future".

We're exactly on the same track as the Rockettes, they're a couple of tank-seasons ahead of us is all. Exactly what would predictably happen. The crux of the issue, and reason for the thread, was never that - but which team managed to make the most of their future. As long as none of these teams come even close to a WCF or better, let alone a playoff berth, it's as insignificant as the Kings getting another top-4 pick.

That is, unless OP decides to move the goalpost yet again, which isn't out of the question.

[gambit1990]

Yeah, he'd be right, if only for the fact that OP literally, explicitly states that this thread was never about the "right now", but about the "future future".

We're exactly on the same track as the Rockettes, they're a couple of tank-seasons ahead of us is all. Exactly what would predictably happen. The crux of the issue, and reason for the thread, was never that - but which team managed to make the most of their future. As long as none of these teams come even close to a WCF or better, let alone a playoff berth, it's as insignificant as the Kings getting another top-4 pick.

That is, unless OP decides to move the goalpost yet again, which isn't out of the question.
i am right and i didn't move the goalpost.

i posted this pretty early in the thread:

you're missing the point of this thread. spurs could end this season with the best record in the division and my point would still stand.

this thread is about the future, future. not weeks or months. spurs need to do what OKC did and move their vets. especially instead of letting them walk for nothing.

spurs move demar, la, rudy for the right assets and i take this thread back.

[K...]

.“i am right and i didn't move the goalpost. " you were obtuse. The idea that the spurs should tank sooner (trade LMAO and derozan) can't be tested because the spurs didn't. It just doesn't matter. You've admitted you support the tank. So not hypocrisy just being annoying.

If you want to be a real edge lord you argue for tanking in 2008 because 7 years between chips is too much,

[KingKev]

The problem is we will have a chance at a top 5 pick come March but will choose to win meaningless games and be back picking at 5-10. This is where we are going to be in perpetuity; till stubborn Pop retires and his successors are held accountable.

Call it what you want; tanking, rebuilding or having a fking strategy we can not build a winning team without an infusion of talent. Right now the strategy remains “we are better than other franchises” because of Tim Duncan and his legacy.

Vassell, Keldon, Sochan, Branham, Wesley blah blah. Not enough. Those guys will have importance if we can get a few players who have cornerstone potential.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

The problem is we will have a chance at a top 5 pick come March but will choose to win meaningless games and be back picking at 5-10. This is where we are going to be in perpetuity; till stubborn Pop retires and his successors are held accountable.

Call it what you want; tanking, rebuilding or having a fking strategy we can not build a winning team without an infusion of talent. Right now the strategy remains “we are better than other franchises” because of Tim Duncan and his legacy.

Vassell, Keldon, Sochan, Branham, Wesley blah blah. Not enough. Those guys will have importance if we can get a few players who have cornerstone potential.
Can you already decide if the team is capable of winning games or not? At first you say that they are not competitive, but now it turns out that they can move up to the play-in.

[KingKev]

Can you already decide if the team is capable of winning games or not? At first you say that they are not competitive, but now it turns out that they can move up to the play-in.

They can potentially move to the play-in because other teams will throw the towel in similar to the Lakers and Blazers last year.

This is my biggest concern. Winning meaningless games while other franchises are winning the REAL GAME which is draft positioning.

[scott]

They can potentially move to the play-in because other teams will throw the towel in similar to the Lakers and Blazers last year.

This is my biggest concern. Winning meaningless games while other franchises are winning the REAL GAME which is draft positioning.

The good news, if you can call it that, is that I'm not sure we have the ability to even win meaningless games against other tanking teams. It's like when you play 1-on-1 with your 4 year old cousin in the driveway and try to let him win to boost his confidence... lil' homeboy still has to make shots, but can't even hit the rim.

[KingKev]

The good news, if you can call it that, is that I'm not sure we have the ability to even win meaningless games against other tanking teams. It's like when you play 1-on-1 with your 4 year old cousin in the driveway and try to let him win to boost his confidence... lil' homeboy still has to make shots, but can't even hit the rim.

Haha yeah but I still see this group gelling enough to hustle and run a system where they show competitiveness especially as teams play down to us.

[The Truth #6]

We have the worst players. But for the moment, we have ownership that doesn’t do stupid shit, and given that we are in an “irrelevant” market, we are drafting character players, which I can’t totally fault, especially outside the top 5, though I’ve liked the way Memphis and Houston are drafting better than us.

Pop playing to win is tricky because he won’t be here for long, nor will many if these players, so really we should be focusing on asset management, and that’s getting better with recent trades, but they will never go Full Ainge.

We are definitely in a weird situation, not just historically, also how we plan to get out of this situation.

[KingKev]

We have the worst players. But for the moment, we have ownership that doesn’t do stupid shit, and given that we are in an “irrelevant” market, we are drafting character players, which I can’t totally fault, especially outside the top 5, though I’ve liked the way Memphis and Houston are drafting better than us.

Pop playing to win is tricky because he won’t be here for long, nor will many if these players, so really we should be focusing on asset management, and that’s getting better with recent trades, but they will never go Full Ainge.

We are definitely in a weird situation, not just historically, also how we plan to get out of this situation.

Accountability. Once Pop is gone new ppl will have the opportunity to build their own legacies but they won’t have the comfort of Tim Duncan, David Robinson and to a lesser extent Tony/Manu.

Those shot callers are going learn real quick not everyone has, nor deserves the grace period PATFO has utilized/previously earned.

[scott]

What's the best "look, we tanking... this is the best for development" rotation?

Primo / Wesley
Vassell / Branham
Johnson / JRich
Sochan / Roby
Jak / Zollins

Suppose you could slide Tre into backup PG, Blake to SG and Bran to SF, but seems like too small of a lineup that way.