lmao Manchin, lulz Democrats

[ElNono]

'We need to work together': Manchin blasts Harris' TV hit on Covid relief
Manchin is part of a bipartisan group of senators that has pushed back against the administration's relief plan.

Sen. Joe Manchin has taken aim at fellow Democrat Vice President Kamala Harris over the administration's approach to pushing its Covid-19 relief plan.

The West Virginia moderate, a key swing vote in an evenly divided Senate, blasted Harris' appearance on a local TV station after she spoke about how the proposed relief is a "big issue" to his constituents.

“I saw [the interview], I couldn’t believe it. No one called me,” Manchin said Friday to WSAZ, the West Virginia station where Harris gave an interview Thursday. “We’re going to try to find a bipartisan pathway forward, I think we need to do. But we need to work together. That’s not a way of working together.”

Harris appeared on WSAZ to speak about the massive relief package, saying: “To your point in West Virginia, one in seven families is describing their household as being hungry, one in six can’t pay their rent, and one in four small businesses are closing permanently or have already closed, so it’s a big issue in West Virginia and across the country.”

Manchin is part of a bipartisan group of senators that has pushed back against the administration's relief plan, urging that the proposed $1,400 direct payments be targeted toward those in greater need.

"We met with his economic team and they put out what they wanted," Manchin said in response to Harris. "We want to help everyone that needs help. But if a person's making $250K or $300K, I don't think they're in much needs as a person making $40K or 50K. That's all I said. We're going to target."

The Vice President's office declined to comment on Manchin's comments.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/30/manchin-harris-covid-relief-464011

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:lmao this old fart thinking he can work together with Mitch, who has been bending over Dems for 6 years... smh

[boutons_deux]

Manchin and Sinema are why Dems will pass almost nothing.

Now Manchin will block Dem bills just to spite Harris, who is 100% correct that dirt poor WV desperately needs government $100Ms.

[ElNono]

Hey ElNono...

Why do you only do this to my threads?
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289122&page=3

Why would any sane person try to bury a post such as this one?
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289122&page=2&p=10421321&viewfull=1#post10421321

You seem to be some kind of mental pervert.

You look like a real horse's a-s when you do this. Don't you care about what the viewers think of you?

no

[DMC]

The Nigerians are loving it though.

[TeyshaBlue]

Hey ElNono...

Why do you only do this to my threads?
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289122&page=3

Why would any sane person try to bury a post such as this one?
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289122&page=2&p=10421321&viewfull=1#post10421321

You seem to be some kind of mental pervert.

You look like a real horse's a-s when you do this. Don't you care about what the viewers think of you?

Hey Cosmored... Climb a wall of dicks.

[TeyshaBlue]

There sure are a lot of mental perverts posting on this forum.

Yup. You're one of them.

[Ef-man]

Do you think my posting this video which ElNono tried to bury makes me a mental pervert?
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289122&page=2&p=10421321&viewfull=1#post10421321

I would think that the person who tried to bury it would be the mental pervert.

Cosmored, the government shill, has a crush on elnono, but elnono does not have the same feelings for cosmored.

Cosmored will be heart broken and continue shilling for the government.

[TimDunkem]

Enemy of the people, tbqfh.

[pgardn]

Hey ElNono...

Why do you only do this to my threads?
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289122&page=3

Why would any sane person try to bury a post such as this one?
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289122&page=2&p=10421321&viewfull=1#post10421321

You seem to be some kind of mental pervert.

You look like a real horse's a-s when you do this. Don't you care about what the viewers think of you?

The viewers are relieved.
Your shit is so dry and shriveled.

[Reck]

He’s mad he wasn’t told he was being dunked on for being Republican lite? :lol

The guy already said he wouldn’t vote to get rid of the filibuster and now he’s looking to derail a COVID relief package? Fuck him.

[Leetonidas]

Hey ElNono...

Why do you only do this to my threads?
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289122&page=3

Why would any sane person try to bury a post such as this one?
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289122&page=2&p=10421321&viewfull=1#post10421321

You seem to be some kind of mental pervert.

You look like a real horse's a-s when you do this. Don't you care about what the viewers think of you?

Shut up faggot. No one cares

[Ef-man]

...said the shill*.


*
https://www.clubconspiracy.com/counter-intellegience-tricks-and-techniques-t4702.html
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4) They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved.
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How much are you being paid as a government shill to spam boards?

[SnakeBoy]

...said the shill*.


Damn Cosmo dropping the truth nuke :lmao

Keep fighting the good fight Cosmo

They can't handle the truth!

[ElNono]

fuck off retard

[baseline bum]

I think they just care if they get paid or not. I don't see how else so many people can unashamedly take such lame positions.

Look I don't care what disinformation Jeff Bezos pays you to post here. No one pays attention to corporate shills like you anymore.

[Spurtacular]

Escape thread. NCSWC.

[SnakeBoy]

I think they just care if they get paid or not. I don't see how else so many people can unashamedly take such lame positions.

Agree. Sometimes it's hard for me to tolerate the lame stuff people post on this forum.

[Trainwreck2100]

Agree. Sometimes it's hard for me to tolerate the lame stuff people post on this forum.

i mean you see some of the positions some people take and you wonder
"were they dropped on their heads repeatedly as children"
"did they pop some bad acid and melt their brain"
"did they just never go to school"

There's people like that

[pgardn]

Damn Cosmo dropping the truth nuke :lmao

Keep fighting the good fight Cosmo

They can't handle the truth!

Snake boy again caught throwing matches in a gas field.
If you actually kill Cosmo they will come here and hunt you down, reptile man.
-Derp

[ElNono]

He’s mad he wasn’t told he was being dunked on for being Republican lite? :lol

The guy already said he wouldn’t vote to get rid of the filibuster and now he’s looking to derail a COVID relief package? Fuck him.

Don't have enough votes to tell him to go fuck himself. Now he's going to side with the 600 billion package.

This is why we can't have nice things, tbh. This is the Democrat's McCain moment.

[Dirks_Finale]

Don't have enough votes to tell him to go fuck himself. Now he's going to side with the 600 billion package.

This is why we can't have nice things, tbh. This is the Democrat's McCain moment.


Schumer does not have the power that he seems to think he has right now. :lol

If they cant work out a bipartisan deal on a softball like COVID relief, just imagine how ugly it is going to get moving forward.

[ElNono]

Schumer does not have the power that he seems to think he has right now. :lol

If they cant work out a bipartisan deal on a softball like COVID relief, just imagine how ugly it is going to get moving forward.

If Schumer would be anything like Mitch, he would be digging dirt on Manchin and making some incognito super liberal group announce he's getting primaried...

Instead, we get amateur hour.... smh

[RandomGuy]

Hey ElNono...

Why do you only do this to my threads?
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289122&page=3

Why would any sane person try to bury a post such as this one?
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289122&page=2&p=10421321&viewfull=1#post10421321

You seem to be some kind of mental pervert.

You look like a real horse's a-s when you do this. Don't you care about what the viewers think of you?

:lol Crazy sophist calling people names. You are wasting your life, and will die lonely.

NO ONE CLICKS ON YOU LINKS BECAUSE NO ONE CARES.

[Will Hunting]

He’s mad he wasn’t told he was being dunked on for being Republican lite? :lol

The guy already said he wouldn’t vote to get rid of the filibuster and now he’s looking to derail a COVID relief package? Fuck him.
I’ll believe it when I see it. Manchin’s words are always a lot more conservative than his actions. In 2018 he said he’d “consider” supporting Trump in 2020 :lol

[RandomGuy]

I’ll believe it when I see it. Manchin’s words are always a lot more conservative than his actions. In 2018 he said he’d “consider” supporting Trump in 2020 :lol

Democrats are going to have to make room in the "big tent" for a few new people, given Republican defections. I think what few moderates were left in GOPland have given up. It is the Trump party now. Kiss the ring or retire.

I imagine there will be quite a bit of Democratic frustration from the lefter wing to the center, and vice versa.

[Reck]

I’ll believe it when I see it. Manchin’s words are always a lot more conservative than his actions. In 2018 he said he’d “consider” supporting Trump in 2020 :lol

This doesn’t help him.

1356267045646704642 (https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1356267045646704642?s=21)

When you have his own fat ass governor saying let’s go, you really don’t have much room to deny stimulus.

[Will Hunting]

This doesn’t help him.

1356267045646704642 (https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1356267045646704642?s=21)

When you have his own fat ass governor saying let’s go, you really don’t have much room to deny stimulus.
He’s gonna be our Susan Collins so we should wait to judge until he actually votes. When push comes to shove he’s rarely the pivotal vote against the Democrats but up until that vote there’s gonna be talk about how “concerned” he is or how he’s gonna write Schumer a strongly worded letter.

[baseline bum]

He’s gonna be our Susan Collins so we should wait to judge until he actually votes. When push comes to shove he’s rarely the pivotal vote against the Democrats but up until that vote there’s gonna be talk about how “concerned” he is or how he’s gonna write Schumer a strongly worded letter.

Kind of the vibe I'm getting when he's railing against people making $300,000 a year not needing stimulus checks. So he can act like he's against them with a right wing talking point and that he brought the number down to something sensible by limiting it to individuals making less than $100k like the other two stimulus checks already were.

[Ef-man]

(from post #29)

...said the shill*.

This one has over half a million views.
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487



*
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286522
(excerpts)
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4) They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved.
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They may work in teams, supporting each other and giving the illusion of popular support on the net. (Remember, net IDs are basically free, and one person can have many.)
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Cosmored doing the job as a government shill.

[baseline bum]

(from post #29)

...said the shill*.

This one has over half a million views.
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487



*
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286522
(excerpts)
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4) They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved.
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They may work in teams, supporting each other and giving the illusion of popular support on the net. (Remember, net IDs are basically free, and one person can have many.)
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Shut up you corporate shill, don't care how well-financed your disinformation campaign is.

[Will Hunting]

Kind of the vibe I'm getting when he's railing against people making $300,000 a year not needing stimulus checks. So he can act like he's against them with a right wing talking point and that he brought the number down to something sensible by limiting it to individuals making less than $100k like the other two stimulus checks already were.
He also thinks highly of Schumer and has a great relationship with him, so odds are he wouldn’t be making an off the cuff remark without talking to Schumer first. A lot of the friction between them is largely staged to make Manchin appear more centrist.

Manchin’s also not stupid enough to think that he’ll maintain popularity in WV by denying people stimulus checks :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

He also thinks highly of Schumer and has a great relationship with him, so odds are he wouldn’t be making an off the cuff remark without talking to Schumer first. A lot of the friction between them is largely staged to make Manchin appear more centrist.

Manchin’s also not stupid enough to think that he’ll maintain popularity in WV by denying people stimulus checks :lol

Yeah WV is mostly impoverished. There's also green people and people that eat human meat there.

[Reck]

He also thinks highly of Schumer and has a great relationship with him, so odds are he wouldn’t be making an off the cuff remark without talking to Schumer first. A lot of the friction between them is largely staged to make Manchin appear more centrist.

Manchin’s also not stupid enough to think that he’ll maintain popularity in WV by denying people stimulus checks :lol

He essentially told Schumer to fuck off if he cant work with Mitch.

You're giving this guy a little too much credit.

[Will Hunting]

He essentially told Schumer to fuck off if he cant work with Mitch.

You're giving this guy a little too much credit.
So far all he’s done is make meaningless public statements. How he votes ultimately is what matters, and he’s yet to really fuck the Dems over with a pivotal vote (he votes to confirm Kavanaugh because he knew there was no way Collins would vote against him). The Dems seem pretty confident they can count on him to deliver the 50th vote.

[Will Hunting]

Bipartisan group of senators introducing the COVID-19 Mine Worker Protection Act. Looks like they’re getting Manchin the earmarks he needs to go along with Biden’s COVID-19 relief. Fine with me.

[Reck]

Bipartisan group of senators introducing the COVID-19 Mine Worker Protection Act. Looks like they’re getting Manchin the earmarks he needs to go along with Biden’s COVID-19 relief. Fine with me.

Is that the 1000 dollar plan? It sucks.

Went from 2000 to 1400 to now a proposed 1000.

[baseline bum]

Is that the 1000 dollar plan? It sucks.

Went from 2000 to 1400 to now a proposed 1000.

It was always $1400, stop spouting right-wing talking points lol

[Reck]

It was always $1400, stop spouting right-wing talking points lol

They’re AOC talking points.

Dems fucked up their messaging at worst per par.

[spurraider21]

It was always $1400, stop spouting right-wing talking points lol
people on the left fighting this are fuckin annoying :lol

[Will Hunting]

Is that the 1000 dollar plan? It sucks.

Went from 2000 to 1400 to now a proposed 1000.
It’s a plan about protecting coal miners from COVID, it’s completely separate from the main Covid relief bill. Calm down. I’ll be right there with you if Manchin ruins COVID relief, but it’s too early to know.

[Will Hunting]

He essentially told Schumer to fuck off if he cant work with Mitch.

You're giving this guy a little too much credit.
Manchin gonna come through in the clutch, per par

1356660891983478785

[Reck]

Manchin gonna come through in the clutch, per par

1356660891983478785

:lol trolling the right better than concerned Susan. :lol

But I think his governor really didn’t give him any wiggle room on this one.

[Will Hunting]

:lol trolling the right better than concerned Susan. :lol

But I think his governor really didn’t give him any giggle room on this one.
He was always going to yank the football out from the GOP at the last minute. It wasn’t his governor and it wasn’t the retarded Justice Democrats threatening to primary him (I know you’re not saying it was the latter, I’m only pointing it out because I’m seeing these idiots on twitter spiking the football and taking credit). He does the same shit Collins does to keep getting re-elected in Maine, only him doing it as a Democrat in WV is a lot more impressive than Collins doing it as a Republican in Maine.

[Will Hunting]

I should clarify this doesn’t mean he’s a yes on the final bill, just that he’s a yes on the budget resolution proceeding to a final vote. He’s still not committing to being a yes on the final bill, so we’ll prob hear more hoopla from him about muh bipartisanship right up until the last minute when he votes yay.

He said that Biden should in no way lower his $1.9 trillion ask.

[Reck]

He was always going to yank the football out from the GOP at the last minute. It wasn’t his governor and it wasn’t the retarded Justice Democrats threatening to primary him (I know you’re not saying it was the latter, I’m only pointing it out because I’m seeing these idiots on twitter spiking the football and taking credit). He does the same shit Collins does to keep getting re-elected in Maine, only him doing it as a Democrat in WV is a lot more impressive than Collins doing it as a Republican in Maine.

Yeah I know what you mean.

Those retards at TYT/Kyle Kulinski are always going on about how Biden is only undoing all the Trump executive orders because they apply the pressure. :lol

Never mind it’s just common sense stuff.

[spurraider21]

Yeah I know what you mean.

Those retards at TYT/Kyle Kulinski are always going on about how Biden is only undoing all the Trump executive orders because they apply the pressure. :lol

Never mind it’s just common sense stuff.
kulinski is a goddam moron. he's spreading a lot of misinformation about the wall street/gamestop shit too. like blatant misinfo.

[Reck]

So Toomey wasn’t in DC and missed the vote so the COVID relief Bill moves forward and on its way to possibly passing under the budget reconciliation.

[Will Hunting]

So Toomey wasn’t in DC and missed the vote so the COVID relief Bill moves forward and on its way to possibly passing under the budget reconciliation.
Would have passed with Kamala’s tie breaker vote either way even if Toomey was there. Does that bill have a $15 min wage in it? Gonna have to be creative to squeeze a min way increase into budget reconciliation.

[Reck]

Would have passed with Kamala’s tie breaker vote either way even if Toomey was there. Does that bill have a $15 min wage in it? Gonna have to be creative to squeeze a min way increase into budget reconciliation.

Yeah I know.

I like Biden's hard position on this. After having that meeting with republicans I figured they would at least slow this thing down even more so. Biden tweeted about the 15 minimum wage right around the time they were voting so it might.

1356678782288019461

[Will Hunting]

The senate rules are so retarded. All you need is to get a non-elected parliamentarian to determine that a bill fits into the rules of budget reconciliation for it to suddenly no longer require 60 votes for cloture, but somehow the 60 vote cloture rule is considered by half the senate to be a sacred rule that we can’t get rid of (unless the parliamentarian determines a bill doesnt need it). Everything should just be majority rule.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I should clarify this doesn’t mean he’s a yes on the final bill, just that he’s a yes on the budget resolution proceeding to a final vote. He’s still not committing to being a yes on the final bill, so we’ll prob hear more hoopla from him about muh bipartisanship right up until the last minute when he votes yay.

He said that Biden should in no way lower his $1.9 trillion ask.
I stand with Ron Paul and vote for $1.9 trillion sequestration and an additional $1.9 trillion in tax hikes on the uber rich over the next 4 years.

[Millennial_Messiah]

The senate rules are so retarded. All you need is to get a non-elected parliamentarian to determine that a bill fits into the rules of budget reconciliation for it to suddenly no longer require 60 votes for cloture, but somehow the 60 vote cloture rule is considered by half the senate to be a sacred rule that we can’t get rid of (unless the parliamentarian determines a bill doesnt need it). Everything should just be majority rule.

No, 60 votes is fair, otherwise we'd be a third world country that every time either party gets the slimmest of majorities they enact radical constitutional amendments which spark mass violent riots and corruption. I'd even argue for 67 which is generally the number needed to pass constitutional amendments.

[Will Hunting]

I stand with Ron Paul and vote for $1.9 trillion sequestration and an additional $1.9 trillion in tax hikes on the uber rich over the next 4 years.
:lmao as if Ron Paul ever supported taxing the rich. He was a trickle down supply side retard.

[Will Hunting]

No, 60 votes is fair, otherwise we'd be a third world country that every time either party gets the slimmest of majorities they enact radical constitutional amendments which spark mass violent riots and corruption. I'd even argue for 67 which is generally the number needed to pass constitutional amendments.
What the fuck are you talking about? No one is saying constitutional amendments that require a simple majority, just normal legislation. Somehow Western Europe and the rest of the modern world do just fine with majority rule, were the only country with retarded rules about 60% vote for cloture.

You have no idea how government works.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao as if Ron Paul ever supported taxing the rich. He was a trickle down supply side retard.

Supply side I agree with, trickle down not so much when you consider executives making $11.3 million while "senior managers" that drive the operational success of the company are lucky to make $150K at the ground/office level.

[Will Hunting]

Supply side I agree with, trickle down not so much when you consider executives making $11.3 million while "senior managers" that drive the operational success of the company are lucky to make $150K at the ground/office level.
Supply side and trickle down are the exact same thing. There’s no difference between the two ideologies. They’re synonyms.

[Millennial_Messiah]

What the fuck are you talking about? No one is saying constitutional amendments that require a simple majority, just normal legislation. Somehow Western Europe and the rest of the modern world do just fine with majority rule, were the only country with retarded rules about 60% vote for cloture.

You have no idea how government works.
Even legislation like new deal, healthcare reform, tax cuts, tax hikes, green policies, sanctions/allegiances with foreign countries, declaration of war etc. should be minimum 60% majority of both houses.

[Will Hunting]

Even legislation like new deal, healthcare reform, tax cuts, tax hikes, green policies, sanctions/allegiances with foreign countries, declaration of war etc. should be minimum 60% majority of both houses.
The Trump tax cuts didn’t get a 60% majority and you had zero issues with them when they happened. It’s revisionist history for MAGAtards like you to pretend you ever wanted bipartisanship when Trump was president.

[boutons_deux]

"More than 80,000 people living in West Virginia, where the minimum wage is $8.75 an hour,

will see higher pay if the federal minimum wage is raised to $15 an hour.

But this week, Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia made it clear he’s not supportive of the increase."

-- EPI email

[boutons_deux]

"At least 11 of these 12 centrist Democrats have in the past called for more modest increases in the minimum wage.

Manchin and Coons, as well as Sens. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) and Jon Tester (D-Mont.), in prior years backed plans to increase the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour.

Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto (D-Nev.) said (https://www.reviewjournal.com/uncategorized/cortez-masto-files-as-candidate-for-us-senate/)in 2016 that she supports a minimum wage of $12 an hour."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/01/28/biden-minimum-wage-stimulus/

[rmt]

"More than 80,000 people living in West Virginia, where the minimum wage is $8.75 an hour,

will see higher pay if the federal minimum wage is raised to $15 an hour.

But this week, Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia made it clear he’s not supportive of the increase."

-- EPI email

will raise the cost of living in WV and/or encourage automation

[Will Hunting]

will raise the cost of living in WV and/or encourage automation
When’s that gonna happen in Seattle? So far it hasn’t.

[boutons_deux]

will raise the cost of living in WV and/or encourage automation

speaking from ignorance, you should research the effects of Fed min wage increases, over the decades, and right to today, on unemployment rate, eg Seattle and regions with minimum wage much higher than (shithole Texas') $7.25).

[RandomGuy]

Supply side I agree with, trickle down not so much when you consider executives making $11.3 million while "senior managers" that drive the operational success of the company are lucky to make $150K at the ground/office level.

Supply side economics has been pretty much thoroughly debunked. Just about every serious study on it seems to pretty much agree.

[RandomGuy]

Supply side and trickle down are the exact same thing. There’s no difference between the two ideologies. They’re synonyms.

That is pretty much my understanding.

Went looking for specific studies and found a fairly decent 'splainer article that put some minor differences.
https://www.thebalance.com/supply-side-economics-does-it-work-3305786
What annoys me about that article is that it said "reagan put supply side into action" while glossing over the keynesian doubling of defense spending and deficit spending.
Doesn't do what it is advertised to do. Proponents basically confirmation bias themselves into the position that we are much farther along the Laffer Curve than we almost certainly are.

Kans'as. 'nuff said.

[ElNono]

:lmao this guy doing Moscow Mitch's job for him... where Dems get guys like this? This is why we can't have nice things...

[Reck]

:lmao this guy doing Moscow Mitch's job for him... where Dems get guys like this? This is why we can't have nice things...

Dems should hold off on doing anything significant until 2022 elections. There they have a couple of chances to make him irrelavant. That PA and Wisconsin race look promising.

[ElNono]

Dems should hold off on doing anything significant until 2022 elections. There they have a couple of chances to make him irrelavant. That PA and Wisconsin race look promising.

Sorry Reck, this is probably the dumbest thing I read all day. Year one and two of any presidency is when you get things done, especially when you control both chambers.

You have the political capital coming out victorious from the election and that erodes every day you're in power. Barry passed ACA at the end of year two, after working on it the whole year. Trump passed his tax cuts early in year two as well.

Those are the two signature law achievements from the past two administrations.

There's better odds that the GOP flips the House and Senate, and they're not going to have a stupid fuck like Manchin foiling their plans.

[pgardn]

Sorry Reck, this is probably the dumbest thing I read all day. Year one and two of any presidency is when you get things done, especially when you control both chambers.

You have the political capital coming out victorious from the election and that erodes every day you're in power. Barry passed ACA at the end of year two, after working on it the whole year. Trump passed his tax cuts early in year two as well.

Those are the two signature law achievements from the past two administrations.

There's better odds that the GOP flips the House and Senate, and they're not going to have a stupid fuck like Manchin foiling their plans.

Nah you read hater...

[Reck]

Sorry Reck, this is probably the dumbest thing I read all day. Year one and two of any presidency is when you get things done, especially when you control both chambers.

You have the political capital coming out victorious from the election and that erodes every day you're in power. Barry passed ACA at the end of year two, after working on it the whole year. Trump passed his tax cuts early in year two as well.

Those are the two signature law achievements from the past two administrations.

There's better odds that the GOP flips the House and Senate, and they're not going to have a stupid fuck like Manchin foiling their plans.

With a 50-50 deadlock and 2 being from red states, good luck.

Barry had his 60 votes. Noncomparable situations.

[pgardn]

:lmao this guy doing Moscow Mitch's job for him... where Dems get guys like this? This is why we can't have nice things...

On the other hand we have the gentlelady from W. Va trying to make the infrastructure deal work. Joe backing down, but its still alive.

[hater]

Sorry Reck, this is probably the dumbest thing I read all day.

:lmao wreck

[Isitjustme?]

:lmao this guy doing Moscow Mitch's job for him... where Dems get guys like this? This is why we can't have nice things...

How fucking stupid you got to be to not realize that in West Virginia you're not getting Bernie Sanders in there?

The real problem is they didn't win more seats now they got to rely on these manchins and sinemas

[Reck]

:lmao wreck

Still salty about Trump’s pants?

How about you counter my argument or shut the fuck up.

[pgardn]

Still salty about Trump’s pants?

How about you counter my argument or shut the fuck up.

Good luck.
Thats not gonna happen.

[pgardn]

Still salty about Trump’s pants?

How about you counter my argument or shut the fuck up.

This is hilarious because Trump just took Joe Biden's gig for hater.
The incontinent old man is now Hater's old orange love.

[DMC]

Reck was never that bright to begin with, but seems like a good fella nonetheless.

[ElNono]

How fucking stupid you got to be to not realize that in West Virginia you're not getting Bernie Sanders in there?

The real problem is they didn't win more seats now they got to rely on these manchins and sinemas

This is such bullshit, it's not like they're trying to pass the Green New Deal. Can't even pass an infrastructure bill.

Both Romney and Murkowski play the "uhhh... I dunno", then fold neatly into whatever their party wants. This is entirely on the Democratic party, and especially on Schumer.

It's simple, clock's ticking on this administration to get anything done. People don't care if West Vriginia this or that. Nothing gets done with this douchebag. Come election time, that has a price to pay.

[ElNono]

With a 50-50 deadlock and 2 being from red states, good luck.

Barry had his 60 votes. Noncomparable situations.

You can work around that. Mitch had zero problem to blow up the filibuster to pack the courts. None of his senators opposed.

But no, Dems gonna listen to the tard in the room who thinks he can work with Mitch to get anything done.

[Reck]

You can work around that. Mitch had zero problem to blow up the filibuster to pack the courts. None of his senators opposed.

But no, Dems gonna listen to the tard in the room who thinks he can work with Mitch to get anything done.

But to do that you still need the full 50. Manchin is not doing that. Sinema won't either.

[Reck]

Reck was never that bright to begin with, but seems like a good fella nonetheless.

Another fence sitter that won't contest the issue at hand.

[DMC]

Another fence sitter that won't contest the issue at hand.

I go a step further. I don't even give a fuck about the issue at hand.

[ElNono]

But to do that you still need the full 50. Manchin is not doing that. Sinema won't either.

But that's exactly why I'm laughing at them. It's not like the GOP even blinks when they get the opportunity. And shit like that ends up having long lasting repercussions.

[Isitjustme?]

https://i.redd.it/15ziz5ik1q371.png

[ElNono]

:lol cool graph... how about actually addressing the topic at hand tho?

[Winehole23]

This is such bullshit, it's not like they're trying to pass the Green New Deal. Can't even pass an infrastructure bill.

Both Romney and Murkowski play the "uhhh... I dunno", then fold neatly into whatever their party wants. This is entirely on the Democratic party, and especially on Schumer.

It's simple, clock's ticking on this administration to get anything done. People don't care if West Vriginia this or that. Nothing gets done with this douchebag. Come election time, that has a price to pay.Tick tock

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Tick tock

Mornin' fart face.

[boutons_deux]

This is entirely on the Democratic party, and especially on Schumer.

It's simple, clock's ticking on this administration to get anything done. Nothing gets done with this douchebag. Come election time, that has a price to pay.

As with Repugs blocking everything from the Dems, the whole point is to fuck up the economy and maintain the pain during Democrat control or Presidency, then have the voters blame the Dems, when in fact IT WAS THE REPUGS

Schumer IS a douchebag owned by NYC Capitalists,

but no Senate Dem leader can do anything with only 48 Dem Senators and the filibuster.

The Repugs strategy is to prove that govt can do no good (Trash's Exec kakistorcracy), privatize all govt functions, and absolutely ensure that no good comes from anything the Dems do.

[DMC]

:lol cool graph... how about actually addressing the topic at hand tho?

Seriously? :lol

Some here never address a topic. They are much more concerned about how committed you are to your own argument and whether or not you can be trusted.

[pgardn]

I go a step further. I don't even give a fuck about the issue at hand.

In order to maintain the Highground, become a cynic.

I personally care about legislation that involves voting because it’s pretty clear to me that there is very little fraud and a whole lot of maneuvering by the red team to make sure more people don’t vote with the changing demographics. I see this as a problem. Many people do not look at issues closely, this does not automatically prohibit them from voting. When the popular vote is getting out of whack with the electoral college we have a problem

The country as a whole is better off when a president wins the popular vote and the electoral college in my opinion. simply because it means the majority of the people who decided to vote were very clear about who they want as president. (Even when given bad choices produced by a bad system that requires the ability to raise money in order to be considered)

[DMC]

In order to maintain the Highground, become a cynic.

I personally care about legislation that involves voting because it’s pretty clear to me that there is very little fraud and a whole lot of maneuvering by the red team to make sure more people don’t vote with the changing demographics. I see this as a problem. Many people do not look at issues closely, this does not automatically prohibit them from voting. When the popular vote is getting out of whack with the electoral college we have a problem

The country as a whole is better off when a president wins the popular vote and the electoral college in my opinion. simply because it means the majority of the people who decided to vote were very clear about who they want as president. (Even when given bad choices produced by a bad system that requires the ability to raise money in order to be considered)

When did the pgardn podcast begin? I don't recall ever clicking on it.

[hater]

How fucking stupid you got to be to not realize that in West Virginia you're not getting Bernie Sanders in there?

The real problem is they didn't win more seats now they got to rely on these manchins and sinemas

Finally someone with a brain.

Democrats need to stop crying and try to make bills that are passable in reality not in the fantasy never never land they live T

[pgardn]

When did the pgardn podcast begin? I don't recall ever clicking on it.

When you clicked on Reply With Quote.
Baffling eh....?

[Winehole23]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NpYEJx7PkWE/hqdefault.jpg

[ElNono]

Finally someone with a brain.

Democrats need to stop crying and try to make bills that are passable in reality not in the fantasy never never land they live T

Nothing that makes Biden look good is passable with Mitch at the helm, period. You're simply not going to get 10 republicans to cross the aisle, not with the current polarization.

[Thread]

Nothing that makes Biden look good is passable with Mitch at the helm, period. You're simply not going to get 10 republicans to cross the aisle, not with the current polarization.

Because you wouldn't pass anything with Trump's name on it, El. You had this coming.

[ElNono]

Because you wouldn't pass anything with Trump's name on it, El. You had this coming.

We can do this all day. You wouldn't pass anything with Barry's name on it, Dale. You had that coming.

[ElNono]

But that is the point, and where this has gotten to. That's exactly my point.

[Thread]

We can do this all day. You wouldn't pass anything with Barry's name on it, Dale. You had that coming.

Because Barry is a race hustler, as is Biden.

[Will Hunting]

Because you wouldn't pass anything with Trump's name on it, El. You had this coming.
That’s just not true. The Democrats wanted to do infrastructure with Trump, all he was focused on was the shitty right wing economic agenda of tax cuts and taking healthcare away.

[Thread]

That’s just not true. The Democrats wanted to do infrastructure with Trump, all he was focused on was the shitty right wing economic agenda of tax cuts and taking healthcare away.

And keeping your side from upholding your side's vow to blow up the White House the day he moved into it.

[Will Hunting]

This is such bullshit, it's not like they're trying to pass the Green New Deal. Can't even pass an infrastructure bill.

Both Romney and Murkowski play the "uhhh... I dunno", then fold neatly into whatever their party wants. This is entirely on the Democratic party, and especially on Schumer.

It's simple, clock's ticking on this administration to get anything done. People don't care if West Vriginia this or that. Nothing gets done with this douchebag. Come election time, that has a price to pay.
They need 50 senators and they don’t have them. I think Schumer is incompetent for not being able to get Sinema in line but there’s basically nothing he can do about Manchin.

Biden has done a lot behind the scenes w/ Manchin and Sinema too, they’re just the new version of Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman.

[Thread]

They need 50 senators and they don’t have them. I think Schumer is incompetent for not being able to get Sinema in line but there’s basically nothing he can do about Manchin.

Biden has done a lot behind the scenes w/ Manchin and Sinema too, they’re just the new version of Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman.

Don't be surprised if either, or, both Manchin and Sinema give up the ghost before it's over.

[Will Hunting]

Don't be surprised if either, or, both Manchin and Sinema give up the ghost before it's over.
Give up the ghost as in they fall in line? Always a possibility but it doesn’t seem likely. It all boils down to Manchin though, if he folds Sinema doesn’t have enough political capital to stand by herself, she needs Manchin for cover.

what I think a lot of people don’t realize tho is that a lot of other centrist Dems like Mark Warner and Jeanine Shaheen are using Manchin for cover but have no intention of supporting any significant tax and spend, New Deal style programs either. It’s not like the senate is Manchin, Sinema and 48 Ed Markeys, there’s ~5 additional centrist Dems who will need to be won over every time.

[Will Hunting]

I’m not even sure what Sinema is thinking. Manchin is an untouchable in WV, but Sinema is genuinely pissing a lot of people in her state off, and it’s not just progressives either. Everything about her is so disingenuous and out of touch while Manchin seems more innocent as the naive old man who got hit in the head one too many times playing football and thinks bipartisanship is still possible.

[spurraider21]

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[ElNono]

They need 50 senators and they don’t have them. I think Schumer is incompetent for not being able to get Sinema in line but there’s basically nothing he can do about Manchin.

Biden has done a lot behind the scenes w/ Manchin and Sinema too, they’re just the new version of Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman.

I'm more concerned with the long game on this. Manchin needs to be ready to own a return to Trumpism (and what all that entails) if he continues to sabotage this administration.

Once the midterms hit, that might be game over for this administration to get anything done, and everybody is going to be looking at his sorry ass. At that point, he might as well switch parties.

If this would be the GOP of the 90s, I wouldn't have an issue with his position. But this is a self-inflicted wound by Dems at a critical juncture.

[Reck]

I’m not even sure what Sinema is thinking. Manchin is an untouchable in WV, but Sinema is genuinely pissing a lot of people in her state off, and it’s not just progressives either. Everything about her is so disingenuous and out of touch while Manchin seems more innocent as the naive old man who got hit in the head one too many times playing football and thinks bipartisanship is still possible.

Makes it even more idiotic when Mark Kelly is actually doing just fine by backing anything Schumer is putting up. I'm not seeing any backlash there.

I think these senators from red states are so used to being scared about losing because they depend on redneck retards that they overthink it.

[ElNono]

I’m not even sure what Sinema is thinking. Manchin is an untouchable in WV, but Sinema is genuinely pissing a lot of people in her state off, and it’s not just progressives either. Everything about her is so disingenuous and out of touch while Manchin seems more innocent as the naive old man who got hit in the head one too many times playing football and thinks bipartisanship is still possible.

This is probably true, but Manchin is the one that puts his ugly mug out there and is playing for the style points on camera. If the shit hits the fan, we'll see if he's so keen to talk about bi-partisanship.

[boutons_deux]

I'm more concerned with the long game on this. Manchin needs to be ready to own a return to Trumpism (and what all that entails) if he continues to sabotage this administration.


Trump won Manchin's state by 40 pts, so he is safe there.

And he has been bribed so far (as they all have), and will be bribed and rewarded more for his pro-oligarchy, pro-fascist votes.

[boutons_deux]

I
Once the midterms hit, that might be game over for this administration to get anything done

It's already GAMEOVER for every single Dem bill, McConnell has said it, he already did it in 2019-2020, 400+ Dem bills blocked, and says he will continue to block everything.

The mid-terms, after 2020 Census redistricting/partisan gerrymander, will probably hand the House to the Repugs,

since the Repugs will try to purge, mostly successfully, every Dem Rep out all the Confederate/red states,

then Biden can spend his last next two years vetoing all the insane shit the Repug Congress passes.

[boutons_deux]

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[Will Hunting]

I'm more concerned with the long game on this. Manchin needs to be ready to own a return to Trumpism (and what all that entails) if he continues to sabotage this administration.

Once the midterms hit, that might be game over for this administration to get anything done, and everybody is going to be looking at his sorry ass. At that point, he might as well switch parties.

If this would be the GOP of the 90s, I wouldn't have an issue with his position. But this is a self-inflicted wound by Dems at a critical juncture.
Newt Gingrich’s GOP of the 90s was an extremist political party as well, we shouldn’t talk about them like they’re so much better than Trump.

[Will Hunting]

Makes it even more idiotic when Mark Kelly is actually doing just fine by backing anything Schumer is putting up. I'm not seeing any backlash there.

I think these senators from red states are so used to being scared about losing because they depend on redneck retards that they overthink it.
Even if the redneck retards thing was true (which it isn’t here, Sinema’s voting coalition did not rely on getting the rube vote), you’re not gonna win them over playing nice and doing nothing. When the Democrats can’t create any sort of economic progress, the GOP is able to make everything a culture war.

[baseline bum]

Newt Gingrich’s GOP of the 90s was an extremist political party as well, we shouldn’t talk about them like they’re so much better than Trump.

Yeah Frank Luntz fucked this nation over when he showed Gingrich how to just use buzzwords to get elected. Thankfully that faggot who we have to thank for this current breed of Republican got wrecked by a stroke.

[spurraider21]

Yeah Frank Luntz fucked this nation over when he showed Gingrich how to just use buzzwords to get elected. Thankfully that faggot who we have to thank for this current breed of Republican got wrecked by a stroke.
he's still fine and doing is thing tho

and cucker carlson had a big segment ranting and complaining about him :lol

[baseline bum]

he's still fine and doing is thing tho

and cucker carlson had a big segment ranting and complaining about him :lol

Luntz says it takes him minutes now to express a ten second sentence sometimes. Cucker is just butthurt Luntz is trying to get Trumptards vaccinated.

[Will Hunting]

he's still fine and doing is thing tho

and cucker carlson had a big segment ranting and complaining about him :lol
Given how the MAGAtards hate him so much idk why the Democrats haven’t tried to hire him yet. I imagine Luntz could come up with really buzzwords for policy that actually helps the middle class or at least doesnt fuck it over.

[ElNono]

Newt Gingrich’s GOP of the 90s was an extremist political party as well, we shouldn’t talk about them like they’re so much better than Trump.

They were loud and faux outraged, but nowhere near the level of flat out anti-democracy. You can tell me Newt was as cynic as Mitch, but Mitch is not even the Trumptard type.

[Dirks_Finale]

Trump won Manchin's state by 40 pts, so he is safe there.

And he has been bribed so far (as they all have), and will be bribed and rewarded more for his pro-oligarchy, pro-fascist votes.



He's also being bribed by Biden. Didn't Biden just appoint Manchin's wife to Appalachian Commission or something?

In any event, Manchin has to break Republican sometimes to keep his seat, so I get it.

Sinema is an interesting character. Not only does she shake the progressive left, but it seems she trolls them while she is doing it :lol

[Will Hunting]

He's also being bribed by Biden. Didn't Biden just appoint Manchin's wife to Appalachian Commission or something?

In any event, Manchin has to break Republican sometimes to keep his seat, so I get it.

Sinema is an interesting character. Not only does she shake the progressive left, but it seems she trolls them while she is doing it :lol
Yes. There’s no question it’s not a coincidence Manchin’s wife got picked for that but I read about it and she was clearly qualified.

[Will Hunting]

They were loud and faux outraged, but nowhere near the level of flat out anti-democracy. You can tell me Newt was as cynic as Mitch, but Mitch is not even the Trumptard type.
Newt was Mitch before Mitch. He started the trend of party leaders consolidating power and making everything hyper partisan.

[Will Hunting]

O’bummer said it best tho that Sarah Palin getting picked as VP was truly the turning point when the GOP took the extreme fringes of its party and decided to feature them front and center. That’s really the event that led to Trump more than anything else.

[Thread]

Newt was Mitch before Mitch. He started the trend of party leaders consolidating power and making everything hyper partisan.

+ Hussein Obama had a heavy hand in the origin of the hyper partisan craze by hustling and baiting race whenever he needed. And that SOB waste-of-space needs it all-the-time.

[Will Hunting]

+ Hussein Obama had a heavy hand in the origin of the hyper partisan craze by hustling and baiting race whenever he needed. And that SOB waste-of-space needs it all-the-time.
The only thing Obama did to race bait was have a skin color you and all the other racist boomers didn't like seeing in the White House.

[Isitjustme?]

Finally someone with a brain.

Democrats need to stop crying and try to make bills that are passable in reality not in the fantasy never never land they live T

Its funny how progressives think shitting on Manchin will make him go their way. AOC shitting on Manchin will only make him more popular in WV lol

[Thread]

Its funny how progressives think shitting on Manchin will make him go their way. AOC shitting on Manchin will only make him more popular in WV lol

Make no mistake, if this bastard could "go their way" and get away with it, this bastard would go their way. And still might nonetheless if Biden will unconditionally guarantee his future.

[Isitjustme?]

Make no mistake, if this bastard could "go their way" and get away with it, this bastard would go their way. And still might nonetheless if Biden will unconditionally guarantee his future.

Lol every Democrat even the most conservative is a bastard to you just by being a Democrat. Sad tbh.

[Will Hunting]

Its funny how progressives think shitting on Manchin will make him go their way. AOC shitting on Manchin will only make him more popular in WV lol
This isn’t wrong but unless the political climate radically changes in the next 4 yrs such that it’s less partisan, I think Manchin is done in 2024, especially if it’s Trump at the top of the GOP ticket, and he’s delusional for thinking that obstructing Biden’s agenda will make another senate term winnable for him.

[Will Hunting]

Imo if Trump runs again in 2024 the upside is that he’s unpopular and would definitely lose but the downside is he makes it impossible for Sherrod, Tester or Manchin to win their race in ‘24.

[Isitjustme?]

Imo if Trump runs again in 2024 the upside is that he’s unpopular and would definitely lose but the downside is he makes it impossible for Sherrod, Tester or Manchin to win their race in ‘24.

I think Manchin would be fine. He has such an unusual constituency for a red state Dem as most red state Dems rely heavily on the South's large black population and WV is 92% white. His thing is he is beloved due to his time as a popular governor, he is a gun nut and proud of it (has ads with him firing rifles and such), and while he is a Dem he grandstands about how he is not a leftwing one to drive the point home with shit like this. Annoying but thats his schtick. I don't get why he is making a stand on infrastructure of all things (which would probably be popular even in WV) but I am not going to doubt him at this point. Really if Cal Cunningham and some others hadnt shit the bed we wouldnt be talking about him is the real issue.

[Isitjustme?]

The only thing Obama did to race bait was have a skin color you and all the other racist boomers didn't like seeing in the White House.

:lol listening to an Obama speech vs hearing how the GOP describe him as basically Huey P. Newton is always funny.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Gop gonna slaughter the dems in 22 lol
Was always a long shot we'd reform this shit, but gop claws and long term vision are in way too deep

[Will Hunting]

I think Manchin would be fine. He has such an unusual constituency for a red state Dem as most red state Dems rely heavily on the South's large black population and WV is 92% white. His thing is he is beloved due to his time as a popular governor, he is a gun nut and proud of it (has ads with him firing rifles and such), and while he is a Dem he grandstands about how he is not a leftwing one to drive the point home with shit like this. Annoying but thats his schtick. I don't get why he is making a stand on infrastructure of all things (which would probably be popular even in WV) but I am not going to doubt him at this point. Really if Cal Cunningham and some others hadnt shit the bed we wouldnt be talking about him is the real issue.
He barely won in a D+9 wave year (2018) when his opponent was a carpet bagging opioid lobbyist from New Jersey :lol (his opponent in previous races was also a tea party nut, he's 3-for-3 in drawing a terrible opponent in senate races). If his opponent was anyone like Moore-Capito he'd have lost in 2018. He'll definitely get a fuckload of split ticket voters the same way he always does, but 2024 will be his toughest election yet, and I don't see him winning unless the GOP picks a historically bad candidate again.

The ultimate issue is definitely that we needed a bigger senate majority so we're not relying on Manchin/Sinema but I'm not sure if there was ever a path. Chad Cuminhand and Sara Gideon each should have won their races, but I'm not sure if the Bullocks/Greenfields/Al Grosses/etc. had a chance at all, and if Cuminhand/Gideon both won, I don't think Ossoff/Warnock get the turnout needed in their runoff election with the Dems already having a senate majority.

I really don't get why Manchin is stonewalling on infrastructure though. Biden's infrastructure plan is basically taxing the shit out of rich people (disproportionately in blue states) and using it to rebuild dogshit middle America states like West Virginia. It's kinda a votingrepublican.jpg move on his part to be blocking infrastructure.

[Will Hunting]

Gop gonna slaughter the dems in 22 lol
Was always a long shot we'd reform this shit, but gop claws and long term vision are in way too deep
'22 won't be a wave election for either party, there aren't any major demographic shifts occurring right now. '10 and '14 were wave elections because of a huge rural voter shift to the right, and '18 was a wave election because of a huge suburb voter shift to the left.

The GOP probably retakes the house in '22 but it'll be solely due to redistricting in Republican controlled states.

[Isitjustme?]

'22 won't be a wave election for either party, there aren't any major demographic shifts occurring right now. '10 and '14 were wave elections because of a huge rural voter shift to the right, and '18 was a wave election because of a huge suburb voter shift to the left.

The GOP probably retakes the house in '22 but it'll be solely due to redistricting in Republican controlled states.

Harry Enten thinks we have a chance to hold onto the house but I doubt it: https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/06/politics/democrats-2022-midterms-analysis/index.html I could see a return to normalcy type vote since people seem generally happen with Biden and tired of the GOP but who knows

[Millennial_Messiah]

He barely won in a D+9 wave year (2018) when his opponent was a carpet bagging opioid lobbyist from New Jersey :lol (his opponent in previous races was also a tea party nut, he's 3-for-3 in drawing a terrible opponent in senate races). If his opponent was anyone like Moore-Capito he'd have lost in 2018. He'll definitely get a fuckload of split ticket voters the same way he always does, but 2024 will be his toughest election yet, and I don't see him winning unless the GOP picks a historically bad candidate again.

The ultimate issue is definitely that we needed a bigger senate majority so we're not relying on Manchin/Sinema but I'm not sure if there was ever a path. Chad Cuminhand and Sara Gideon each should have won their races, but I'm not sure if the Bullocks/Greenfields/Al Grosses/etc. had a chance at all, and if Cuminhand/Gideon both won, I don't think Ossoff/Warnock get the turnout needed in their runoff election with the Dems already having a senate majority.

I really don't get why Manchin is stonewalling on infrastructure though. Biden's infrastructure plan is basically taxing the shit out of rich people (disproportionately in blue states) and using it to rebuild dogshit middle America states like West Virginia. It's kinda a votingrepublican.jpg move on his part to be blocking infrastructure.

Taxing the shit out of income over what number? What do you define as rich for an individual? Or are you just referring to increasing corporate tax?

[Millennial_Messiah]

'22 won't be a wave election for either party, there aren't any major demographic shifts occurring right now. '10 and '14 were wave elections because of a huge rural voter shift to the right, and '18 was a wave election because of a huge suburb voter shift to the left.

The GOP probably retakes the house in '22 but it'll be solely due to redistricting in Republican controlled states.

That doesn't get re-done until 2030 though? In that case that's even worse news for the Dems even winning those districts back if they're gerrymandered every 10 years post-census

[Will Hunting]

Harry Enten thinks we have a chance to hold onto the house but I doubt it: https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/06/politics/democrats-2022-midterms-analysis/index.html I could see a return to normalcy type vote since people seem generally happen with Biden and tired of the GOP but who knows
I actually think the Dems will win the generic ballot in '22 because the economy will be better by then and Biden will likely have a positive approval rating (Trump and Obama each had underwater approval ratings for their midterm bloodbaths) just not by enough.

IMO it'll take a D+5 (potentially even a D+5.5) generic ballot to keep the house because of gerrymandering unless the Dems in Illinois, NY and CA become as ruthless as the Maryland Democrats are at map drawing.

[Will Hunting]

That doesn't get re-done until 2030 though? In that case that's even worse news for the Dems even winning those districts back if they're gerrymandered every 10 years post-census
I'm talking about taxes on capital gains north of $1 million.

[Will Hunting]

That doesn't get re-done until 2030 though? In that case that's even worse news for the Dems even winning those districts back if they're gerrymandered every 10 years post-census
It's going to be redrawn this year in advance of the '22 elections. It's redrawn after every census so elections in a year ending with 2 are the ones with new districts.

[Millennial_Messiah]

It's going to be redrawn this year in advance of the '22 elections. It's redrawn after every census so elections in a year ending with 2 are the ones with new districts.

That's what I meant though, the 2021-2030 ones are going to be worse for Democrats than the 2011-2020 ones because the state legislatures (which tilt Republican in all the red AND purple states, as opposed to the actual U.S. House representatives) draw the maps and thus gerrymander it up. Of course the Dems gerrymander in the blue states but Democratic state legislature minorities are pretty exclusively limited to blue states.


I'm talking about taxes on capital gains north of $1 million.

I'm cool with that. :toast Just not cool with that original proposed $400K barrier crap because in today's inflated dollars that's not really a ton of money. Especially when they threatened to renege by changing it to $200K for single filers (i.e. most of us) and $400K for MFJ families.

[Will Hunting]

We could see something similar to '18 where Democrats lose the house but actually gain senate seats because the map is so favorable for them. I'm pissed Tom Wolf isn't running for senate, that would basically be a guaranteed pickup for Democrats.

[Millennial_Messiah]

We could see something similar to '18 where Democrats lose the house but actually gain senate seats because the map is so favorable for them. I'm pissed Tom Wolf isn't running for senate, that would basically be a guaranteed pickup for Democrats.

I know a lot of Philly collar county suburban whites who despise Wolf over the freedom infringements and general way he handled COVID in PA and want him the fuck out next gubernatorial cycle. Some even want him in prison. So, no.

I do think the Republicans are overly optimistic about pickups in the Senate especially in blue states like CO and IL. I don't see the incumbent lady in Nevada losing but I guess it's possible. I do see the Republicans keeping Wisconsin and Ohio and probably NC. If Sununu runs in NH the GOP would pick up that seat, if not they probably won't.

[Will Hunting]

That's what I meant though, the 2021-2030 ones are going to be worse for Democrats than the 2011-2020 ones because the state legislatures (which tilt Republican in all the red AND purple states, as opposed to the actual U.S. House representatives) draw the maps and thus gerrymander it up. Of course the Dems gerrymander in the blue states but Democratic state legislature minorities are pretty exclusively limited to blue states.
It won't though because the GOP had more control for 2011 redistricting than it'll have this time around. More states have independent commissions, states like WI/PA have Dem governs with veto power that they didn't have 10 years ago, and even some states with total GOP control have a Democratic supreme court majority that'll order maps to be redrawn that they didn't have in 2011 (e.g., North Carolina). The turnout patterns were also easier to predict then. It's not clear if 2020-level election turnout is here to stay or if it'll revert back; if you draw a map assuming one thing and the other happens your map could be shot to shit.

I think what you're also missing is that the effects of gerrymandering wear off as you get further into the decade, especially when they're as aggressively drawn as they are in states like Texas. Coalitions change, people move, etc. The Texas GOP almost lost its state leg majority last year because of a map that was drawn to favor the GOP in 2010 that ended up favoring the Dems by 2020.

[Will Hunting]

I know a lot of Philly collar county suburban whites who despise Wolf over the freedom infringements and general way he handled COVID in PA and want him the fuck out next gubernatorial cycle. Some even want him in prison. So, no.

I do think the Republicans are overly optimistic about pickups in the Senate especially in blue states like CO and IL. I don't see the incumbent lady in Nevada losing but I guess it's possible. I do see the Republicans keeping Wisconsin and Ohio and probably NC. If Sununu runs in NH the GOP would pick up that seat, if not they probably won't.
:lmao Tom Wolf is incredibly popular, your anecdotal bullshit doesn't change that. He'd mop the floor against all the retards the GOP currently has running for that seat.

The GOP thinking it can take Bennet or Duckworth out is delusional. The GOP hasn't even found a candidate to run against CCM yet so you're right there. I don't see how the Dems could win Ohio but I think NC is winnable since the Dems have a great candidate in NC who won a statewide race there in '14 which was a horrible environment for Dems.

Sununu's popularity as governor isn't going to translate to a senate race the way a lot of people seem to think, if that's how it worked then we'd be talking about Senator Bullock and Senator Bredesen right now. Senate races are a lot more partisan since a vote for Sununu is basically a vote for McConnell. Not even sure if Sununu is going to run though, he seems to hate DC politics and regularly talks shit about how congress sucks.

[baseline bum]

Given how the MAGAtards hate him so much idk why the Democrats haven’t tried to hire him yet. I imagine Luntz could come up with really buzzwords for policy that actually helps the middle class or at least doesnt fuck it over.

Don't think Luntz is really center-right, so he wouldn't want to help the Democrats.

[Will Hunting]

Don't think Luntz is really center-right, so he wouldn't want to help the Democrats.
He's a whore for money just like everyone else, I'm sure there's a price.

[Winehole23]

Don't think Luntz is really center-right, so he wouldn't want to help the Democrats.pot-committed, it would seem. he picked his side.

https://www.salon.com/2021/05/28/pollster-frank-luntz-concealed-his-work-for-gop-in-2020-la-times-op-ed-will-media-ever-learn/

[ElNono]

Its funny how progressives think shitting on Manchin will make him go their way. AOC shitting on Manchin will only make him more popular in WV lol

I don't disagree with this, but it's a two-way street. Progressives also reap the benefits of shitting on the guy that stood in the way of a more progressive agenda.

[ElNono]

Imo if Trump runs again in 2024 the upside is that he’s unpopular and would definitely lose

Who's running against him for the Dems? IMO, you can't assume it's gonna be Joe. Also, the current shift in voting laws in some States will have an impact.

[Will Hunting]

Who's running against him for the Dems? IMO, you can't assume it's gonna be Joe. Also, the current shift in voting laws in some States will have an impact.
Kamala is the one exception as someone who's shitty enough to lose to Trump in '24...pretty much any other candidate I think beats Trump, especially Old Joe if he runs.

I also think that 3 more years of being out of the spotlight / having no real purpose is going to age Trump physically and mentally. He won't be able to exude the pseudo-masculine presence he had while in office.

[Isitjustme?]

I also think that 3 more years of being out of the spotlight / having no real purpose is going to age Trump physically and mentally. He won't be able to exude the pseudo-masculine presence he had while in office.
I think paradoxically getting him back on twitter before the election would be good. I say its a paradox as he basically used his twitter excellently to shit talk and take over the GOP during the primaries but people will remember what a nightmare his impulsive Twitter feed bullshit was during his presidency and be motivated to not have him back.

[ElNono]

Kamala is the one exception as someone who's shitty enough to lose to Trump in '24...pretty much any other candidate I think beats Trump, especially Old Joe if he runs.

I also think that 3 more years of being out of the spotlight / having no real purpose is going to age Trump physically and mentally. He won't be able to exude the pseudo-masculine presence he had while in office.

I don't trust Democrats to make the right call here, tbh... Also, it's going to be difficult to drive turnout if this administration has very little to show. Sure, the handling of COVID has been impeccable, but how much of an impact will that have in 3 years time, especially if there isn't a solid economic recovery?

[Reck]

Trump will either be too fat, dead or in too much legal trouble to run.

[Isitjustme?]

I don't disagree with this, but it's a two-way street. Progressives also reap the benefits of shitting on the guy that stood in the way of a more progressive agenda.

Well in other states maybe yeah but it didnt help that Swearengen progressive lady who ran for senate twice in WV and shit on him all the time. Dems should have tried to run that Earl Ray Tomblin guy who was the Dem governor after Manchin even if it pissed off progressives. he probably wouldnt have won but he also definitely wouldnt have lost by 40+ points like swearengen.

[Will Hunting]

Well in other states maybe yeah but it didnt help that Swearengen progressive lady who ran for senate twice in WV and shit on him all the time. Dems should have tried to run that Earl Ray Tomblin guy who was the Dem governor after Manchin even if it pissed off progressives. he probably wouldnt have won but he also definitely wouldnt have lost by 40+ points like swearengen.
Swearengin blocked me on Twitter :lol

[Will Hunting]

I don't trust Democrats to make the right call here, tbh... Also, it's going to be difficult to drive turnout if this administration has very little to show. Sure, the handling of COVID has been impeccable, but how much of an impact will that have in 3 years time, especially if there isn't a solid economic recovery?
If Trump is the guy on the ticket for the GOP, that alone will drive huge Dem turnout imo.

[Will Hunting]

Btw Jim Justice (in WV) is definitely my favorite GOP governor right now :lol, especially because of how much he and Manchin talk shit about each other.

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/register-herald.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/1/c2/1c27bc97-12ac-509d-9284-ff3e8c6e76f4/53d7d50fe8cc1.image.jpg

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Kamala is the one exception as someone who's shitty enough to lose to Trump in '24...pretty much any other candidate I think beats Trump, especially Old Joe if he runs.

I also think that 3 more years of being out of the spotlight / having no real purpose is going to age Trump physically and mentally. He won't be able to exude the pseudo-masculine presence he had while in office.

Bend over, Will. He'll fuckin' exude it.

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Btw Jim Justice (in WV) is definitely my favorite GOP governor right now :lol, especially because of how much he and Manchin talk shit about each other.

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/register-herald.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/1/c2/1c27bc97-12ac-509d-9284-ff3e8c6e76f4/53d7d50fe8cc1.image.jpg

My Lord, does he have a big bay window.

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If Trump is the guy on the ticket for the GOP, that alone will drive huge Dem turnout imo.

They'll be filling out ballots from day one, wet ones too, by the droves.

[Thread]

Trump will either be too fat, dead or in too much legal trouble to run.

Regardless, Recky, he'll be President forever just like the 44 before him.

Stick that in your smoke and pipe it.

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I don't trust Democrats to make the right call here, tbh... Also, it's going to be difficult to drive turnout if this administration has very little to show. Sure, the handling of COVID has been impeccable, but how much of an impact will that have in 3 years time, especially if there isn't a solid economic recovery?

Oh, sure it is...215k dead Americans and counting aside.

[Reck]

Regardless, Recky, he'll be President forever just like the 44 before him.

Stick that in your smoke and pipe it.

He'll certainly look back on that to either regret it or somehow be proud when he's in jail, dying or whatever misfortunes falls upon the fat fuck.

I'm going to go on regret. He could have kept on cheating the system fine and dandy as he was. But noooo, he wanted to be president. Enjoy.

[Will Hunting]

My Lord, does he have a big bay window.
He even has a fat dog too :lol

https://3gz8cg829c.execute-api.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/prod/image-renderer/16x9/full/1015/center/80/7d5d8309-183f-47c6-a9e7-af7671deedec-large16x9_BabyDog.jpg

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He'll certainly look back on that to either regret it or somehow be proud when he's in jail, dying or whatever misfortunes falls upon the fat fuck.

I'm going to go on regret. He could have kept on cheating the system fine and dandy as he was. But noooo, he wanted to be president. Enjoy.

We all die, Recky. And if you're waiting for that old man to live in regret, you yourself will grow old, gray, and you will die before that happens. "You'll play hell gettin' it done."
- Randolph Scott - "Ride the High Country"

That's what you're trying to accomplish by driving him into and thru the shitter. You can't get it/that Presidency back and you know it, what's more he knows it and he knows you know he knows it. He/we got one past you crumb bums. We did!!! We got it!!!!!! We made President!!!!!!!!!

[ElNono]

Well in other states maybe yeah but it didnt help that Swearengen progressive lady who ran for senate twice in WV and shit on him all the time. Dems should have tried to run that Earl Ray Tomblin guy who was the Dem governor after Manchin even if it pissed off progressives. he probably wouldnt have won but he also definitely wouldnt have lost by 40+ points like swearengen.

I just think West Virginia is a lost cause. Old Joe lost 30% to 70% in West Virginia. He didn't even win one single county. That seat is going red sooner rather than later, IMO. Manchin has to know this, he barely scraped through in '18.

If Trump comes back, he's gone for sure. This is why it's completely puzzling what game he's playing?

[ElNono]

Oh, sure it is...215k dead Americans and counting aside.

Joe inherited that shit, and has a vaccine ready for you, Dale.

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Joe inherited that shit, and has a vaccine ready for you, Dale.

My ass. He had "a plan," swore up and down it was the goods and he'd divulge it after making President. That was 215k dead Americans ago.

Masks, that was it, all of it. Whoop-dee-do. He's lost another 400 Americans today, El.

[ElNono]

My ass. He had "a plan," swore up and down it was the goods and he'd divulge it after making President. That was 215k dead Americans ago.

Masks, that was it, all of it. Whoop-dee-do. He's lost another 400 Americans today, El.

It only takes a vaccine. I expect darwinism to continue to do it's job on the dumb. Nothing Joe can do about that, and he probably shouldn't, tbh

[Will Hunting]

I just think West Virginia is a lost cause. Old Joe lost 30% to 70% in West Virginia. He didn't even win one single county. That seat is going red sooner rather than later, IMO. Manchin has to know this, he barely scraped through in '18.

If Trump comes back, he's gone for sure. This is why it's completely puzzling what game he's playing?
Unlike Sinema who’s just a knowingly obstructionist cunt, Manchin seems genuinely naive and stupid.

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It only takes a vaccine. I expect darwinism to continue to do it's job on the dumb. Nothing Joe can do about that, and he probably shouldn't, tbh

He cooked his own goose when he called us vile names, El, + lied about that $600, then stole it from President Trump (like we wouldn't notice). What the hell is wrong with this man, El, has he no self respect whatsoever? Let him come clean, apologize to us for lying and stealing. He won't though, he's dug in too deep now, he'll brazen it out with the help of MSM.

He's a creep. And in a way I'm glad. I was half worried he'd turn out to be honorable and good man and I'd be forced to side him for the good of the country. Just the opposite occurred; he shit the bed before he ever got sworn and has been shitting it daily every day since.

Thank Christ.

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Unlike Sinema who’s just a knowingly obstructionist cunt, Manchin seems genuinely naive and stupid.

Please. He put President Trump thru the same damn song & dance for 4 years that's he's putting Biden thru now. He's an attention hound and a wolf in sheep's clothing. He'd turn completely Left if they wouldn't stage an insurrection in West Virginia if he tried such. And still may do so with the cover of Biden. And Biden would do anything to turn him around once and for all.

I fear they're (Manchin & Biden) are playing possum and have already made their deal, just waiting for the best opportunity to expose it. They'll need to line-up MSM for the kill shot.

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Unlike Sinemawho’s just a knowingly obstructionist cunt, Manchin seems genuinely naive and stupid.

I'd still have her sit on my face, ass end first. I like a woman with clear lenses and a slight over bite. I'd sniff her silly.

We'll give El a whack at Manchin.

[Will Hunting]

He cooked his own goose when he called us vile names, El, + lied about that $600, then stole it from President Trump (like we wouldn't notice). What the hell is wrong with this man, El, has he no self respect whatsoever? Let him come clean, apologize to us for lying and stealing. He won't though, he's dug in too deep now, he'll brazen it out with the help of MSM.

He's a creep. And in a way I'm glad. I was half worried he'd turn out to be honorable and good man and I'd be forced to side him for the good of the country. Just the opposite occurred; he shit the bed before he ever got sworn and has been shitting it daily every day since.

Thank Christ.
Biden didn’t steal the bigger stimulus check from Trump, Cocaine Mitch did. Trump picked the wrong party to align himself with.

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Biden didn’t steal the bigger stimulus check from Trump, Cocaine Mitch did. Trump picked the wrong party to align himself with.

No, that's Biden. He promised us 2k a piece "immediately" if Georgia carried those two Dem nitwits. He got his, but then gave us 1400 hundred a piece and said thru intermediaries that made the 2k with Trump's $600 stipend. Biden lied. I'm out $1200 here at the house.

And I ain't ever forgettin' it, Will.

[ElNono]

He cooked his own goose when he called us vile names, El, + lied about that $600, then stole it from President Trump (like we wouldn't notice). What the hell is wrong with this man, El, has he no self respect whatsoever? Let him come clean, apologize to us for lying and stealing. He won't though, he's dug in too deep now, he'll brazen it out with the help of MSM.

He's a creep. And in a way I'm glad. I was half worried he'd turn out to be honorable and good man and I'd be forced to side him for the good of the country. Just the opposite occurred; he shit the bed before he ever got sworn and has been shitting it daily every day since.

Thank Christ.

Old Joe was right all along, Dale... to the point he beat Dear Leader in a landslide... he's the ultimate winner.

Let's not talk about self-respect, tbh. This is a topic that won't end well, especially being a fan of a loser that still communicates like a 7 year old.

As good as Joe is, he can't fix stupid. Don't be a statistic Dale, get Joe's vaccine while you still can, tbh...

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Old Joe was right all along, Dale... to the point he beat Dear Leader in a landslide... he's the ultimate winner.

Let's not talk about self-respect, tbh. This is a topic that won't end well, especially being a fan of a loser that still communicates like a 7 year old.

As good as Joe is, he can't fix stupid. Don't be a statistic Dale, get Joe's vaccine while you still can, tbh...

I'll never get it.........unless the wife gives me an ultimatum. I can't win those, ever.

[baseline bum]

Biden didn’t steal the bigger stimulus check from Trump, Cocaine Mitch did. Trump picked the wrong party to align himself with.

LOL Trump was nothing but a useful idiot to McConnell who Mitch discarded in a second when he figured the Dear Nazi had no chance in the election. Trump was basically Mitch's hype man for four years. Exploited emo boomers to get McConnell's judiciary in place.

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LOL Trump was nothing but a useful idiot to McConnell who Mitch discarded in a second when he figured the Dear Nazi had no chance in the election. Trump was basically Mitch's hype man for four years. Exploited emo boomers to get McConnell's judiciary in place.

Hi, fart face. Am I still in the dog house?

[Will Hunting]

LOL Trump was nothing but a useful idiot to McConnell who Mitch discarded in a second when he figured the Dear Nazi had no chance in the election. Trump was basically Mitch's hype man for four years.
:lmao Trump was Cocaine Mitch’s stooge

Trump: “I wanna do infrastructure and bring manufacturing jobs back to the US!”

McConnell: “No. You’re gonna sign the tax cut for the rich we send to your desk, and here’s a list of Federalist Society judges for you to nominate”

Trump: “OK”

[baseline bum]

:lmao Trump was Cocaine Mitch’s stooge

Trump: “I wanna do infrastructure and bring manufacturing jobs back to the US!”

McConnell: “No. You’re gonna sign the tax cut for the rich we send to your desk, and here’s a list of Federalist Society judges for you to nominate”

Trump: “OK”

Everyone with a room temperature IQ that dark night of 11/9/2016 knew Trump was going to be a lazy piece of shit and just hand the presidency off to McConnell. I mean that was completely obvious once he offered Kasich control of domestic and foreign policy to be VP.

[Will Hunting]

Everyone with a room temperature IQ that dark night of 11/9/2016 knew Trump was going to be a lazy piece of shit and just hand the presidency off to McConnell. I mean that was completely obvious once he offered Kasich control of domestic and foreign policy to be VP.
Even if it wasn’t obvious then, it was definitely obvious after Bannon got fired for actually encouraging Trump to govern like a populist and raise taxes on the rich.

[DMC]

The machine keeps going.

[Winehole23]

LOL Trump was nothing but a useful idiot to McConnell who Mitch discarded in a second when he figured the Dear Nazi had no chance in the election. Trump was basically Mitch's hype man for four years. Exploited emo boomers to get McConnell's judiciary in place.Thanks, Obama

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Thanks, Obama

Hussein Obama one of the biggest race hustlers to ever walk the face of the earth. & he taught mother fucker Biden everything he knows on the subject.

[Will Hunting]

Is “race hustler” a term that Limbaugh’s AM radio replacement uses or something?

[Winehole23]

Is “race hustler” a term that Limbaugh’s AM radio replacement uses or something?Goes back at least as far as the 1980s, it was often used to describe Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson at the time.

Civil rights for white folks is laudable and normal, but civil rights for black folks is disreputable and "a hustle."

[Dirks_Finale]

Hussein Obama one of the biggest race hustlers to ever walk the face of the earth. & he taught mother fucker Biden everything he knows on the subject.

His student, Biden, has taken the incessant race baiting to a even higher level, imo.

Also a product of the current 'woke' climate.

[Winehole23]

^^^ bad faith posters get hurt feelings over candid talk about US history

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Is “race hustler” a term that Limbaugh’s AM radio replacement uses or something?

No, but it'll get a certain white man from town excised from the proceedings in a big, damn hurry...tee, hee.

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His student, Biden, has taken the incessant race baiting to a even higher level, imo.

Also a product of the current 'woke' climate.

...the mother fucker.

[Will Hunting]

No, but it'll get a certain white man from town excised from the proceedings in a big, damn hurry...tee, hee.
Seeing Trump lose has made you so deranged to the point where I can't even comprehend your MAGAboomer gibberish.

[Winehole23]

What is wokism?

This essay is refreshingly straight-forward in its analysis and its proposed solution.

The problem: civil rights law, gender equality and anti-harassment law.

The solution: chuck em all.

https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/woke-institutions-is-just-civil-rights

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Seeing Trump lose has made you so deranged to the point where I can't even comprehend your MAGAboomer gibberish.

Methinks you'll understand it just enough to lodge me on your Ignore List, Will.

Eh, tights?

"Race hustler" is super effective, obviously. It's a akin to "race baiter" but cuts quicker and deeper. John Lewis was a master race hustler, thus taught Hussein the vocation.

[Winehole23]

civil rights activism for non-whites equals race-baiting, huh?

[Will Hunting]

Methinks you'll understand it just enough to lodge me on your Ignore List, Will.

Eh, tights?

"Race hustler" is super effective, obviously. It's a akin to "race baiter" but cuts quicker and deeper. John Lewis was a master race hustler, thus taught Hussein the vocation.
Na, not putting you on my ignore list.

The only race hustling going on is the GOP's white grievance campaign.

[Will Hunting]

Some serious votingrepublican.jpg energy ITT

https://i.redd.it/c06kz8z9ajfy.jpg

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Na, not putting you on my ignore list.

The only race hustling going on is the GOP's white grievance campaign.

Mother fucker Biden started it when he championed that waste of space Floyd. Christ, that cretin had pointed a gun at a pregnant woman's stomach, Will. That's your champion? You're gonna burn down the upper northwest over that barrel of shit, riot and loot the Targets across the land because that animal finally handled a first class ticket to the Resurrection?

Uh, uh.

[MultiTroll]

Coalmine causes bridges on West Virginia Pennsylvania state line to crumble, I-70 intermittent traffic expected for next decade (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coalmine-causes-bridges-on-west-virginia-pennsylvania-state-line-to-crumble-i-70-intermittent-traffic-expected-for-next-decade/ar-AAZxxmV?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b60d0cbe27f34167971b1f7f4f271585)

Keep up that good governance, Munchkin.

[Winehole23]

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4e15926a804d3ae7fdc0998f46fa78ee-lq


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXtEZ2_VEAcEowz?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Winehole23]

"why would progressives do this to Biden?"

1547759554003288068

[boutons_deux]

Fuck the goddamn Constitution

[SnakeBoy]

"why would progressives do this to Biden?"

1547759554003288068

Boss Manchin :lmao

[DMC]

Fuck the goddamn Constitution

:lol today's libtard

[Thread]

Fuck the goddamn Constitution

Yep. And you fucked it first. And fucked it is staying, bouts.

Let us proceed...

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Boss Manchin :lmao


Snake!!!

[ElNono]

Called it!

[ducks]

One liberal Told me he was only looking out for west virgina
I said that was what he was elected to do

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol today's libtard

That second hand Marlboro Red smoke in his mommas single wide trailer has warped Boutons beyond repair. He is our forum communist.

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That second hand Marlboro Red smoke in his mommas single wide trailer has warped Boutons beyond repair. He is our forum communist.

Please. He's about as communist as Adam Smith.

[ElNono]

https://thehill.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/10/potw_102221_1340.800_11.jpg?strip=1

:lmao

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Boss Manchin :lmao

[Dirks_Finale]

:lol today's libtard

They have it so bad here. Poor things.

[DMC]

https://thehill.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/10/potw_102221_1340.800_11.jpg?strip=1

:lmao

That's pretty fucked up :lol