NBA Trade Deadline: 2020-21 Season

[ace3g]

Mar. 25: NBA Trade Deadline - The cutoff point is 3 p.m. ET

Little early but oh well.

Bjelica Wants To Be Moved, Kings Hoping To Oblige (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/02/bjelica-wants-to-be-moved-kings-hoping-to-oblige.html)
February 4th 2021 at 11:16am CST by Dana Gauruder

The Kings’ Nemanja Bjelica (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bjeline01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) would like to be traded and the front office is continuing to explore the market for the veteran forward, according to Jason Anderson of the Sacramento Bee (https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article248986925.html).
Bjelica’s situation has been one of the oddest in the league this season. Sacramento could have shed Bjelica’s $7.15MM salary in November but instead opted to guarantee the contract (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/11/kings-guarantee-nemanja-bjelicas-202021-salary.html).

[The Truth #6]

As for the Spurs, I have no great prediction other than prepared to be disappointed.

[exstatic]

Mar. 25: NBA Trade Deadline - The cutoff point is 3 p.m. ET

Little early but oh well.

Bjelica Wants To Be Moved, Kings Hoping To Oblige (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/02/bjelica-wants-to-be-moved-kings-hoping-to-oblige.html)
February 4th 2021 at 11:16am CST by Dana Gauruder

The Kings’ Nemanja Bjelica (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bjeline01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) would like to be traded and the front office is continuing to explore the market for the veteran forward, according to Jason Anderson of the Sacramento Bee (https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article248986925.html).
Bjelica’s situation has been one of the oddest in the league this season. Sacramento could have shed Bjelica’s $7.15MM salary in November but instead opted to guarantee the contract (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/11/kings-guarantee-nemanja-bjelicas-202021-salary.html).

If he were a couple of years younger, I’d be interested, but he’s nearly 33.

[exstatic]

I’m really hoping we can offload LMA.

[Dejounte]

I have a good feeling about this trade deadline. I think we'll pull off at least one trade. Any bets?

[exstatic]

I have a good feeling about this trade deadline. I think we'll pull off at least one trade. Any bets?

I’d like to get rid of Rudy and LMA. Rudy might even bring a decent return. Not getting my hopes up.

[RC_Drunkford]

we're not gonna do anything as usual

[LCM]

Players that were signed as free agents are trade eligible on Feb.22, less than 3 weeks away. Don't see trades by any club until then.

[Degoat]

One can dream but the spurs aren’t gonna do shit

[buttsR4rebounding]

I’d like to get rid of Rudy and LMA. Rudy might even bring a decent return. Not getting my hopes up.

This. And if Mills isn't traded then I think you need to start thinning the guard/wing herd. For all the talk about Luka not having the mental ability I suspect Lonnie is never going to pull it together. His defense is terrible and his offense underwhelming. His flashes make you salivate over what might be, but if I were letting one of Murray, White, IV, Vassell or Johnson go it would be Walker. I don't believe he is ever going to get it on defense while the others play at a relatively high level on that end of the court. So maybe throwing Lonnie in LMA can get you something decent back. I then think Patty gets resigned.

[rjv]

people want to trade LMA as if there is any real interest in him across the league that would actually work out in terms of cap space.

[tmtcsc]

This. And if Mills isn't traded then I think you need to start thinning the guard/wing herd. For all the talk about Luka not having the mental ability I suspect Lonnie is never going to pull it together. His defense is terrible and his offense underwhelming. His flashes make you salivate over what might be, but if I were letting one of Murray, White, IV, Vassell or Johnson go it would be Walker. I don't believe he is ever going to get it on defense while the others play at a relatively high level on that end of the court. So maybe throwing Lonnie in LMA can get you something decent back. I then think Patty gets resigned.

Very fair assessment. Lonnie plays like he's got all the time in the world & with no urgency to perform. Enough is enough. He's a terrible defender. Also, KJ has surprised me with how bad a defender he has been too. I have more faith that he'll pull it together than I do in Lonnie.

[exstatic]

Very fair assessment. Lonnie plays like he's got all the time in the world & with no urgency to perform. Enough is enough. He's a terrible defender. Also, KJ has surprised me with how bad a defender he has been too. I have more faith that he'll pull it together than I do in Lonnie.

Not all good defenders are good against multiple player types. KJ fucking stoned Doncic last year. He tends to do better against forwards, even PFs.

As for Lonnie, his issues seem tied to concentration. There are only two players on this team that can actually slip between a screen without going under or around: White and Lonnie. I’ve seen him do it multiple times this year. He’ll never be great, but if he can clean up his silly fouls, he could be pretty good.

[cd98]

No one worth buying that is for sale and not likely that we can get anything back worth trading LMA or DDR. The competitive teams already traded their first round picks for next year, so not sure why we would trade LMA or DDR for anything less than a first round pick. Better to have salary cap relief.

[TheGreatYacht]

- PATFO is going to leak to Zach Lowe that we're "really active"
- We'll win 3 in a row a week before the deadline and climb up to 6th in the standings
- PATFO will stand pat with dreams of getting swept in the first round
- We'll miss the playoffs as the 9th seed
- PATFO will draft a a scrub that's two years away from being 2 years away with the 13th pick

Rinse. Repeat.

[Degoat]

The only chance a deal happens is if any of the vets asked to be traded otherwise there won’t be a deal

[Blackhaus]

The only chance a deal happens is if any of the vets asked to be traded otherwise there won’t be a deal

Dog praying gif that LA is unhappy and demands, yes demands a trade!

[MoSpur02]

Dog praying gif that LA is unhappy and demands, yes demands a trade!

Read on 48 Minutes or something like that, that the Heat would be or are interested in Aldridge. Not sure how accurate that is.

[Prime BEEF]

- PATFO is going to leak to Zach Lowe that we're "really active"
- We'll win 3 in a row a week before the deadline and climb up to 6th in the standings
- PATFO will stand pat with dreams of getting swept in the first round
- We'll miss the playoffs as the 9th seed
- PATFO will draft a a scrub that's two years away from being 2 years away with the 13th pick

Rinse. Repeat.
lmao. This is exactly what will happen

[hoopdreams11]

What about reuniting lma with nephew

[mo7888]

Read on 48 Minutes or something like that, that the Heat would be or are interested in Aldridge. Not sure how accurate that is.

Olynyk + Iggy for LMA + Lyles works... I assume they'd add a small asset as well

[Mr. Body]

Very distant outside shot that Aldridge gets traded to a contender or playoff team but only if he wants it. Even so, there's no big return the Spurs will receive.

I've thought Boston needed to do something with that massive trade exemption they got from Hayward, but their false narrative record will probably make Ainge thing they're golden. You'd think Aldridge would be far better than Daniel Theis as a starter.

[Robz4000]

Very distant outside shot that Aldridge gets traded to a contender or playoff team but only if he wants it. Even so, there's no big return the Spurs will receive.

I've thought Boston needed to do something with that massive trade exemption they got from Hayward, but their false narrative record will probably make Ainge thing they're golden. You'd think Aldridge would be far better than Daniel Theis as a starter.

Theis can at least move his legs on defense, and they have enough mouths to feed without throwing Muh Touches into the mix. A player like Clint Capella would make much more sense.

[exstatic]

people want to trade LMA as if there is any real interest in him across the league that would actually work out in terms of cap space.

Boston is looking for shooting bigs, and has a record sized TE from the Hayward deal.

[Ocotillo]

I heard on Sirius NBA radio Houston wants 3 second rounders for PJ Tucker. I thought that might be good (vet, forward, can hit the three) but than I saw how much of a vet he is......

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I wonder if the Raptors have already figured out they've overpaid Siakam. Could be the best time to move him while his value is relatively high.

[exstatic]

I wonder if the Raptors have already figured out they've overpaid Siakam. Could be the best time to move him while his value is relatively high.

Shit, if having a rough 1st Q of the season from beyond the arc puts you on the trading block, I’m buying.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Shit, if having a rough 1st Q of the season from beyond the arc puts you on the trading block, I’m buying.

It's not just that though. He was really bad in the playoffs and has also had disciplinary issues. He's paid like a 1st option when he's at his best as a second/third banana. His EFG% drops like a stone when his USG% increases. Never been much of an advanced stats darling either. Perhaps he can develop more as his development curve has been amazing, but at his age it's unlikely.

[Chomag]

Standing pat per par, and yes that would be sad since we have so much dead weight holding our young core down.

[KayBee]

It's not just that though. He was really bad in the playoffs and has also had disciplinary issues. He's paid like a 1st option when he's at his best as a second/third banana. His EFG% drops like a stone when his USG% increases. Never been much of an advanced stats darling either. Perhaps he can develop more as his development curve has been amazing, but at his age it's unlikely.

Wait, when did we start talking about DDR?

[cd021]

The only chance a deal happens is if any of the vets asked to be traded otherwise there won’t be a deal


Dog praying gif that LA is unhappy and demands, yes demands a trade!

I think they'll shop him but probably won't find any buyers. Wouldn't shock if he asks to be brought out and they oblige him.

Wouldn't be for the worse tbh. Spurs get slightly worse, which could decrease their chances of making the playoffs, and gives them a chance at another lottery pick.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1358114092725260288

[ace3g]

February 6th 2021 at 1:15pm CST by Dana Gauruder


The Bulls are receiving plenty of attention from potential trade partners but it’s uncertain whether Arturas Karnisovas, their executive VP of basketball operations, is interested in making any deals, Joe Cowley of the Chicago Sun Times (https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports-saturday/2021/2/5/22269333/trade-vultures-circling-bulls-still-very-upright) reports.
The March 25 trade deadline is still in the distance but teams are looking increasingly at the Bulls to fortify their rotations with power forward Thaddeus Young (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/y/youngth01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) is drawing the most interest, according to Cowley. That confirms an earlier report (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/02/central-notes-young-love-markkanen-pistons.html) that Young is the team’s most viable trade candidate.


Young’s contract could give teams some cap flexibility. He’s making approximately $13.5MM this season with a salary of $14.2MM next season. However, only $6MM of next season’s salary is guaranteed.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/02/bulls-fielding-calls-on-thaddeus-young-others.html

[poopbox]

Everyone we would trade has more value to us letting their deals expire to create capspace tbh...

Only trades that make sense is to trade a vet on a one year deal to get a player you would want in the off season anyway...like if you could give up rudy and a 2nd for collins

[exstatic]

Everyone we would trade has more value to us letting their deals expire to create capspace tbh...

Only trades that make sense is to trade a vet on a one year deal to get a player you would want in the off season anyway...like if you could give up rudy and a 2nd for collins
Unless SA decides to thin the herd of youngsters, something like the board floated trade of Sammich/Lonnie for Collins. I’d rather see that happen in the summer, though, so we can do an extend and trade to lock up Collins.

[ace3g]

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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania) 1h (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1358477645592354820)
Rose and the Pistons agreed a trade is best for both sides, sources say, clearing way for Detroit and New York to work toward agreement. Rose is on track to reunite with Knicks head coach Tom Thibodeau.

Shams Charania ShamsCharania

(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)

The Detroit Pistons are nearing agreement on deal to send Derrick Rose to the New York Knicks for Dennis Smith Jr. and draft compensation, sources tell me and @JLEdwardsIII (https://twitter.com/JLEdwardsIII/).

[R. DeMurre]

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Shams Charania (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)Sham (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17672)sCharania
1h (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1358477645592354820)
Rose and the Pistons agreed a trade is best for both sides, sources say, clearing way for Detroit and New York to work toward agreement. Rose is on track to reunite with Knicks head coach Tom Thibodeau.

Shams Charania (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)Sham (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17672)sCharania



The Detroit Pistons are nearing agreement on deal to send Derrick Rose to the New York Knicks for Dennis Smith Jr. and draft compensation, sources tell me and @JLEdwardsIII (https://twitter.com/JLEdwardsIII/).

The Knicks never fail to disappoint. The last thing they need is another PG, or to give up any kind of draft pick.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Det are probably getting their own 2nd round pick that they owe to the Knicks. I like this trade for both teams.

Edit. Seems to be Charlotte's 2nd instead.

[TD 21]

It only makes sense from the Knicks perspective if there's mutual interest in re-signing (presumably likely) and if they're going to trade one of their veteran guards (Rivers is the one rumored to be drawing interest currently).

Makes sense for the Pistons. Take a 4 month flier on a fighting for his NBA career Smith Jr. (should receive about 20 mpg with only Wright ahead of him), receive a 40ish pick and save money.

[KingKev]

Boston is looking for shooting bigs, and has a record sized TE from the Hayward deal.

D Rose couldn't fetch a first. A TPE offers us nothing... they will include a 2nd
most.

[Dejounte]

The Collins dream could be over. DeAndre Hunter had a major injury that requires surgery. Atlanta might be more inclined to keep Collins.

[mo7888]

The Collins dream could be over. DeAndre Hunter had a major injury that requires surgery. Atlanta might be more inclined to keep Collins.

Well....on to Markannen....then to Bagley?

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/ATLHawks/status/1358538030219472896?s=19

[Dejounte]

Well....on to Markannen....then to Bagley?

God no to Markannen. Markannen looks like Samanic if Samanic got all the playing time from Day 1.... And that's not a good thing.

[mo7888]

God no to Markannen. Markannen looks like Samanic if Samanic got all the playing time from Day 1.... And that's not a good thing.

Very much disagree on Markannen... he's improved alot...so much that Chicago is regretting not extending him...it's going to cost them...

[Dejounte]

Very much disagree on Markannen... he's improved alot...so much that Chicago is regretting not extending him...it's going to cost them...

I'm trying so hard to see it... I see a maybe slightly better Davis Bertans upside in him. Quick release on 3s. Can shoot from anywhere. Ball handling is nothing special. Athleticism is okay. He's not very fast. I don't know. I could definitely be wrong. We will see.

[TD 21]

Hunter tore his meniscus, not his Achilles/ACL, etc. and either way I don't think it'd factor into their decision with Collins.

[R. DeMurre]

Just not sold on Markkanen... subpar #s on rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks, not much of a defender. Someone's gonna offer him too much money for his 3pt shooting, & I'm guessing it'll be an overpay the Spurs won't want to match.

[Mr. Body]

The Knicks never fail to disappoint. The last thing they need is another PG, or to give up any kind of draft pick.

This is false.

[ragas]

https://twitter.com/ATLHawks/status/1358538030219472896?s=19

Will take not more than 8 weeks, I guess.
But I don't think the Spurs can get Collins at all.

[exstatic]

https://twitter.com/ATLHawks/status/1358538030219472896?s=19

He could be back before the end of the season. They still have Capela, and just drafted Okungwu. I don’t think they would have played hard ball with the extension if they didn’t feel comfortable with their depth.

[mo7888]

I'm trying so hard to see it... I see a maybe slightly better Davis Bertans upside in him. Quick release on 3s. Can shoot from anywhere. Ball handling is nothing special. Athleticism is okay. He's not very fast. I don't know. I could definitely be wrong. We will see.

Collins is my preferred acquisition if we are talking similar money. If we are talking 30M for Collins or 20M for Markannen I'll take Lauri. I think Collins is a better fit next to Poeltl but if Eubanks makes it as a backup I like Markannen better next to him in that lineup. All that said, I think the odds are against us getting either of them. If that happens I would kick the tires on Bagley at a lower number and giving Sacto a small asset for the privilege if they want to move on (and it seems like both parties may want a divorce there).

In any of those scenarios I'd want to add Wagner if at all possible....fits perfectly and I believe has more upside than all of these guys.

[R. DeMurre]

This is false.

Care to elaborate? As a long time Knicks fan, I'd say adding Rose does nothing for their long term prospects and takes valuable playing time away from a younger player like Quickley.

[look_at_g_shred]

Wouldn't be surprised if its Lyles who gets traded if there is one to make. He was vocal about getting more playing time after the wolves win, and he got 0 burn in the next game.

[SpursDynasty85]

Wouldn't be surprised if its Lyles who gets traded if there is one to make. He was vocal about getting more playing time after the wolves win, and he got 0 burn in the next game.

I noticed that too. But there is a back to back coming up with Warriors where he can showcase more than just one game.

[ace3g]

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Marc Stein @TheSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine) 1h (https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1358820434100117504)
The Bulls say Lauri Markkanen is expected to miss 2-to-4 weeks due to a sprained acromioclavicular joint in his right shoulder

[exstatic]

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Marc Stein @TheSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine) 1h (https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1358820434100117504)
The Bulls say Lauri Markkanen is expected to miss 2-to-4 weeks due to a sprained acromioclavicular joint in his right shoulder

Dude is as fragile as Gallinari. Some guys are talented enough, but not durable enough to last in the NBA.

[TD 21]

Collins is my preferred acquisition if we are talking similar money. If we are talking 30M for Collins or 20M for Markannen I'll take Lauri. I think Collins is a better fit next to Poeltl but if Eubanks makes it as a backup I like Markannen better next to him in that lineup. All that said, I think the odds are against us getting either of them. If that happens I would kick the tires on Bagley at a lower number and giving Sacto a small asset for the privilege if they want to move on (and it seems like both parties may want a divorce there).

In any of those scenarios I'd want to add Wagner if at all possible....fits perfectly and I believe has more upside than all of these guys.

It should be about getting the best player/fit. Collins at $30M, while a nominal overpay (a prerequisite to poaching a quality RFA), would also be largely irrelevant, since the $10M difference more than likely isn't going to make or break anything of significance.

The thing is, if they acquire Collins, him playing most of the rotational backup five minutes would have to be baked into the equation.

[mo7888]

It should be about getting the best player/fit. Collins at $30M, while a nominal overpay (a prerequisite to poaching a quality RFA), would also be largely irrelevant, since the $10M difference more than likely isn't going to make or break anything of significance.

The thing is, if they acquire Collins, him playing most of the rotational backup five minutes would have to be baked into the equation.

But there has to be some consideration to the amount of overpay related to the expectations on production. How much is the overpay? If it's 5 million it's not a big deal...if 10 it's more problematic...of course that comes fown to evaluation.

[Ocotillo]

They (Spurs) are rarely a player at the trade deadline and this year looks to be no different. Your candidates are:

Aldridge Injured at this time, is playing like Father Time has came this season, defense has been horrible. He still has his stroke but at his price tag, I think the ship has sailed on moving him.

Rudy I have been down on Rudy this season as he is in love with shooting every time the ball is in his hand. Like Aldridge, his body is unable to perform consistently so he has a solid game and then is a liability for 2 or 3 following. Maybe a contender would like to have him for some bench scoring.

Patty Seems like the most likely candidate to get calls of interest from other teams but it would be very un-Spurs like for them to ship out the most tenured guy on the roster.

Derozan He should generate interest with his skillset and recent play but he is at the end of his contract so that has to lessen interest as he is a risk to walk after the season is over. Add to that his paycheck and that complicates any trade attempt.

Misc Maybe Lonnie or Lyles could be part of a smaller deal since these guys don't make a ton of money. Nobody is untouchable for the right deal but I just don't see anything happening that would ship out Dejounte, Derrick, Keldon or Vassel.

[r0drig0lac]

Very much disagree on Markannen... he's improved alot...so much that Chicago is regretting not extending him...it's going to cost them...
yes, there is a great chance that Samanic will never reach the level of Lauri in the second year, this is what best Lauri is. If Samanic had some of the games that Lauri played in his second year people would be here talking about how his second year is better than Dirk's second year, lol, they were talking about this in Kawhi / Keldon comparison.

[8sy21vd]

I doubt we'll see the Spurs do anything. Perhaps a LMA buyout like Pau if he continues to regress. I'll be flabbergasted if the FO moves any of the expiring vets.

[exstatic]

I doubt we'll see the Spurs do anything. Perhaps a LMA buyout like Pau if he continues to regress. I'll be flabbergasted if the FO moves any of the expiring vets.

Rudy’s a possibility. He’s not quite the train wreck that LMA is.

[Dejounte]

Scouting twitter for rumors...
Take these with a TINY grain of salt

https://twitter.com/vinfosh/status/1356248412778278914?s=19

https://twitter.com/nballaccess/status/1356088702443925505?s=19

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/BGlobeSports/status/1351336954416259073?s=19

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/BasketballRehab/status/1348780107960356866?s=19

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/ClipperNationCP/status/1358926105797746689?s=19

[tonight...you]

https://twitter.com/ClipperNationCP/status/1358926105797746689?s=19
Thoughts? Hell yeah! Let him drag that team down.

[Ice009]

Man, if all those teams are interested for real, the Spurs need to pull the trigger and make one of those trades with Aldridge. I'd also be interested in trading DeRozan to the Heat if they can give us some decent pieces back.

Edit : If the Spurs want to go after John Collins, can they take back much money? Would Atlanta have any interest in a Demar DeRozan swap centered around Collins?

[NASpurs]

I ain't falling for this shit again. Fool me once, fool me twice, fool me for 20 years...

[Ice009]

I ain't falling for this shit again. Fool me once, fool me twice, fool me for 20 years...

Darn, I need to temper my expectations. You're right, we've been fooled far too many times to fall for this again.

[BillMc]

https://twitter.com/ClipperNationCP/status/1358926105797746689?s=19

Didn't the clippers trade every pick they had for like a million years to get PG? So, it'd be a player. But who do we want?

[r0drig0lac]

Didn't the clippers trade every pick they had for like a million years to get PG? So, it'd be a player. But who do we want?

Zubac, Kabengele

[tonight...you]

Didn't the clippers trade every pick they had for like a million years to get PG? So, it'd be a player. But who do we want?
Lol... Nephew coming back!

Everybody, make sure you cheer in any way you personally feel like cheering.

And truly give it your all!

[RC_Drunkford]

if it's the Clippers we would get that piece of shit Marcus Morris together with Zubac I guess

Philly would have to give up Green and Seth Curry, I can't see that happening. Makes no damn sense for both teams.

Dubs would be Oubre and Wiseman or something around Wiggins. No way that's happening.

Boston having the trade exception makes the most sense. But then again I also read a rumor about the Spurs trading Gay and Mills for Kyle Lowry :lol

I'm pretty sure we are standing pat as usual

[mo7888]

if it's the Clippers we would get that piece of shit Marcus Morris together with Zubac I guess

Philly would have to give up Green and Seth Curry, I can't see that happening. Makes no damn sense for both teams.

Dubs would be Oubre and Wiseman or something around Wiggins. No way that's happening.

Boston having the trade exception makes the most sense. But then again I also read a rumor about the Spurs trading Gay and Mills for Kyle Lowry :lol

I'm pretty sure we are standing pat as usual

Dubs could do something around wiggins + minny's 1st they hold....depending on how bad they want to shed the wiggins contract...

[cjw]

These wannabe journalists throw crap against the wall and hope something sticks. Almost none of these rumors make any sense given the puzzle pieces involved, including salary matching and picks that can be traded.

[Thomas82]

I'm not getting my hopes up for a trade again. In fact, it wouldn't shock me if we ran this team back for a 4th year in a row.

[Thomas82]

Dubs could do something around wiggins + minny's 1st they hold....depending on how bad they want to shed the wiggins contract...

But what if Minnesota gets to hold on to their pick? If I'm not mistaken, it's top 3 protected.

[Seventyniner]

But what if Minnesota gets to hold on to their pick? If I'm not mistaken, it's top 3 protected.

Top 3 protected in 2021, unprotected in 2022 if it doesn't convey in 2021.
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

That's an extremely juicy pick, even better than Wiseman imo. If the Warriors are willing to give it up to get a half season rental of Aldridge, even if it means the Spurs taking on Wiggins, I'd be all for it.

[PhantomDashCam]

If the parity in the west continues, a lot of teams come deadline will think they’re a piece away from true contention. Lakers appear vulnerable. Davis may not be 100% healthy all year.

Can’t see the Spurs making a move unless it involves an out of rotation piece; or disgruntled player who requests it.

[tbdog]

Celtics will give us a 1st for LMA, and we'll accept.

[Thomas82]

Top 3 protected in 2021, unprotected in 2022 if it doesn't convey in 2021.
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

That's an extremely juicy pick, even better than Wiseman imo. If the Warriors are willing to give it up to get a half season rental of Aldridge, even if it means the Spurs taking on Wiggins, I'd be all for it.

Thanks for the info.......it definitely would be nice to have that pick.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

If the Spurs could get anything to build for the future for Aldridge that would be great.

I've already accepted the fact, though, that the Spurs don't make any mid-season blockbuster deals, so I'll just end any speculation right there.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Warriors aren't trading away that Minny pick. It's the best draft capital any team has for a Beal trade.

[DAF86]

At this point you gotta believe they are trading Aldridge, right? The Spurs wouldn't be missing much (in fact, they might be even gaining) and LA would get to play for a contending team. Both parties happy and everything is right in the World. Honestly, at this point, I'm totally fine with just a late first rounder.

[daslicer]

At this point you gotta believe they are trading Aldridge, right? The Spurs wouldn't be missing much (in fact, they might be even gaining) and LA would get to play for a contending team. Both parties happy and everything is right in the World. Honestly, at this point, I'm totally fine with just a late first rounder.

Maybe the Sixers or Celtics would give up a pick for Aldridge but I don't know any other contenders who would.

[DAF86]

Maybe the Sixers or Celtics would give up a pick for Aldridge but I don't know any other contenders who would.

Pretty much any contender would give up a late first round pick for LA, if they think that's the kind of guy that could put them over the top. Now, if you are saying not many teams see him as that, I might agree, but we supposedly have all these teams showing interest so it makes you wonder.

Imho, the teams where LA makes the most sense are the Celtics (finally having that shooting big) and Lakers (anything is better than ex player Marc gasol). After that I don't see LA making a lot of sense on any contender. Maaaaybe the Heat, if they want to start Adebayo and LA together. The Nets to get a different look from Jordan? I don't know. I really don't get the Sixers rumour at all with Embiid there.

[daslicer]

Pretty much any contender would give up a late first round pick for LA, if they think that's the kind of guy that could put them over the top. Now, if you are saying not many teams see him as that, I might agree, but we supposedly have all these teams showing interest so it makes you wonder.

Imho, the teams where LA makes the most sense are the Celtics (finally having that shooting big) and Lakers (anything is better than ex player Marc gasol). After that I don't see LA making a lot of sense on any contender. Maaaaybe the Heat, if they want to start Adebayo and LA together. The Nets to get a different look from Jordan? I don't know. I really don't get the Sixers rumour at all with Embiid there.

The problem with the Nets and the Lakers is I believe they can’t offer any more first round picks after giving up a bunch of picks in the Davis and Harden trades. Sixers possibly could want him to load up on their big men depth with Embiid/Howard/LMA they would have a lot to throw at Davis if they met up with the Lakers in the Finals.

[CGD]

Celtics will give us a 1st for LMA, and we'll accept.

Here’s hoping, but it is cheapo Angie we’re talking about. He probably draws a line at Semi Ojelei.

LMA seems like the only one to move. The other vets are playing at a good level, and Pop is intent on making the playoffs.

[LeBowen]

Tbh, I'd take anything.
LMA is done. As we've seen over the past few games, he's a detrimet to the team at this point.

Celtics are the only destination that makes sense.
LMA is an expiring, so we can't expect much. I think Robert Williams and a second would be good value.
Give him a shot, if it doesn't work out, it's like whatever.

LMA won't be here next season, anyway. And every front office that's interested knows that. I don't think we can get a first unless we take a bad contract with it.

[exstatic]

I ain't falling for this shit again. Fool me once, fool me twice, fool me for 20 years...

Steve Kerr, around our first game with GS, basically said that the rumored trade would have happened if Klay didn’t blow his Achilles. Wasn’t a case of bad rumors, more like bad luck.

Anyone think that LMA is being held out for just this reason?

[Dejounte]

Steve Kerr, around our first game with GS, basically said that the rumored trade would have happened if Klay didn’t blow his Achilles. Wasn’t a case of bad rumors, more like bad luck.

Anyone think that LMA is being held out for just this reason?

He didn't "basically say it". It takes a large leap to assume it had anything to do with the Spurs when there are 28 other teams, if it had anything to do with a trade at all.

[exstatic]

He didn't "basically say it". It takes a large leap to assume it had anything to do with the Spurs when there are 28 other teams, if it had anything to do with a trade at all.

I’m just curious about your thought process when it was a press conference with SA in town to play a game with GS. Why would he be talking about one of the other 28 teams? Were there rumors of #2 and Wiggins to any of them?

[mo7888]

Steve Kerr, around our first game with GS, basically said that the rumored trade would have happened if Klay didn’t blow his Achilles. Wasn’t a case of bad rumors, more like bad luck.

Anyone think that LMA is being held out for just this reason?

I do think there's some validity to LMA being held out for this reason. I see it as that the don't want him injured and they want to get a better look at the 2nd unit with Eubanks there to determine how much of a drop-off they have going from Poeltl to Drew now that they legitimately believe they are a playoff caliber team. They have to like what they see so I expect this is all part of them getting ready to move LMA.

[mo7888]

Keith Smith: Main thing I took away from talking to front office folks around the NBA over the past week: There aren’t really any sellers right now. One team told me “It’s going to be a seller’s market. Whoever does sell is going to get good stuff for not giving up all that much.”



– via Twitter KeithSmithNBA

[Chinook]

Keith Smith: Main thing I took away from talking to front office folks around the NBA over the past week: There aren’t really any sellers right now. One team told me “It’s going to be a seller’s market. Whoever does sell is going to get good stuff for not giving up all that much.”



– via Twitter KeithSmithNBA

Eh, I agree with Smitty that there aren't a lot of players on the market, but there isn't a lot of free currency either. Most contenders are leveraged already, and the lower-bracket teams are too bunched up together to give up their chances unless they get a huge offer. I wouldn't let go of any of the vets without a first coming back, and I don't see a team that has a convenient first to trade that'd do so for anyone except DMDR. MAYBE Miami could trade Precious.

[rankingtear]

Boston is the only possibility. Others does not have expendable players to match salary. Boston needs to send 5 mil back for the trade to work under the hard cap.

[mo7888]

Eh, I agree with Smitty that there aren't a lot of players on the market, but there isn't a lot of free currency either. Most contenders are leveraged already, and the lower-bracket teams are too bunched up together to give up their chances unless they get a huge offer. I wouldn't let go of any of the vets without a first coming back, and I don't see a team that has a convenient first to trade that'd do so for anyone except DMDR. MAYBE Miami could trade Precious.

It's interesting because half the league has no future 1st's they can offer...but by definition, that means the other half has multiple 1st's they can put in a deal. Teams with no 1st's can only offer young players (Prescious Claxton etc) but those other teams with a boatload of picks might find it easier to let one go now for a vet knowing their cupboard is still full.

[Dejounte]

I’m just curious about your thought process when it was a press conference with SA in town to play a game with GS. Why would he be talking about one of the other 28 teams? Were there rumors of #2 and Wiggins to any of them?

It wasn't a "press conference" first of all, it was on "sports radio" according to that guy. The fact that you're going by a paraphrase of a paraphrase from a source that can't link to the actual interview already confirms what I said in my initial post: that you're making huge leaps in your logic.

[Chinook]

It's interesting because half the league has no future 1st's they can offer...but by definition, that means the other half has multiple 1st's they can put in a deal. Teams with no 1st's can only offer young players (Prescious Claxton etc) but those other teams with a boatload of picks might find it easier to let one go now for a vet knowing their cupboard is still full.

Sure, and for like a Beal trade, that could mean a random team could get him. But the teams with firsts to offer aren't necessarily looking at LMA, DMDR, Gay or Mills as that missing piece. Also note that a few teams like OKC and Houston own firsts from a number of teams. Those picks aren't part of the realistic currency for an in-season trade market. I'd say total there are probably like five or six 2021 firsts that have any chance to be dealt.

The very best SA might be able to hope for from a LMA trade is Precious or like Grant Williams and one of Boston's other reject picks. I actually like Achiuwa as a small-ball center competing with Eubanks, so it's not the worst thing. Maybe NYK, CHA or SAC would give up their first for DeRozan to make a real playoff push. But I doubt it.

[mo7888]

Sure, and for like a Beal trade, that could mean a random team could get him. But the teams with firsts to offer aren't necessarily looking at LMA, DMDR, Gay or Mills as that missing piece. Also note that a few teams like OKC and Houston own firsts from a number of teams. Those picks aren't part of the realistic currency for an in-season trade market. I'd say total there are probably like five or six 2021 firsts that have any chance to be dealt.

The very best SA might be able to hope for from a LMA trade is Precious or like Grant Williams and one of Boston's other reject picks. I actually like Achiuwa as a small-ball center competing with Eubanks, so it's not the worst thing. Maybe NYK, CHA or SAC would give up their first for DeRozan to make a real playoff push. But I doubt it.

That's probably right on a LMA trade but, I do wonder how this expanded format impacts management's decisions out there because really only 4 teams aren't in contention for the play in. It's easy to see a few of those play in teams thinking LMA might help their chances.

[The Truth #6]

No way would we be able to get Precious for LMA. LMA's game has fallen off a cliff. At best, his agent can suggest he is disgruntled as a way to explain his poor play, but I don't see anyway a team gives up a 1st for him. I am happy to be proven wrong, of course.

[mo7888]

No way would we be able to get Precious for LMA. LMA's game has fallen off a cliff. At best, his agent can suggest he is disgruntled as a way to explain his poor play, but I don't see anyway a team gives up a 1st for him. I am happy to be proven wrong, of course.

Could be...but the discussion around this is based on numerous reports that other teams are interested in LMA... I get what your saying and he looks washed to me but value is derived from the interest of others...and apparently others are interested..

[JuneJive]

Father Time has caught up to LMA.

I don't see anyone being interested as to offer something valuable.

[rah88sa]

Steve Kerr, around our first game with GS, basically said that the rumored trade would have happened if Klay didn’t blow his Achilles. Wasn’t a case of bad rumors, more like bad luck.

Anyone think that LMA is being held out for just this reason?

Holding him out to trade him? I don't think saying your 35 year old center is hurt will help his value any.

[Dverde]

Spurs be lucky to get a second rounder for LMA at this point. I more see him being a buy out and he is a Net or Buck in the playoffs.

[Seventyniner]

Warriors aren't trading away that Minny pick. It's the best draft capital any team has for a Beal trade.

It's also their best way to offload Wiggins. The Warriors trying to trade for another star when they already have Curry/Thompson/Green/Wiggins on the books for $135M is a tax bill that would make any owner blanche.

Now the Warriors probably can do better than Aldridge if they are willing to package that MIN pick with Wiggins, but the Warriors will probably want salary relief at least as much as a star player in return. Replacing Wiggins with Beal doesn't help their cap/tax situation.

The Warriors are staying competitive in the middle of the West right now and will get Klay back next season, but Aldridge being a free agent makes things difficult. That's why a deal, before Klay's injury, centered around Aldridge for #2 plus Wiggins made so much sense for both sides.

[CGD]

It's also their best way to offload Wiggins. The Warriors trying to trade for another star when they already have Curry/Thompson/Green/Wiggins on the books for $135M is a tax bill that would make any owner blanche.

Now the Warriors probably can do better than Aldridge if they are willing to package that MIN pick with Wiggins, but the Warriors will probably want salary relief at least as much as a star player in return. Replacing Wiggins with Beal doesn't help their cap/tax situation.

The Warriors are staying competitive in the middle of the West right now and will get Klay back next season, but Aldridge being a free agent makes things difficult. That's why a deal, before Klay's injury, centered around Aldridge for #2 plus Wiggins made so much sense for both sides.

The Warriors still also have their own 2021 pick, no? Maybe that's the one they'd be willing to part with in such a trade.

But boy that Wiggin deal is not great.

[exstatic]

Holding him out to trade him? I don't think saying your 35 year old center is hurt will help his value any.

Hip flexor is the new plantar fasciitis. In the old days, the roster was 12, and the only way you could see a prospect for a game minutes tryout was for someone to get ‘hurt’ so you could expand the roster. So many players got PF that it was almost a pandemic. It’s an injury that has no external signs, and really can’t be seen on any kind of imaging. In other words, something easy to fake. The Spurs can’t just say they’re holding LMA in case there is a trade. Like PF, a hip flexor is a minor injury that has no set recovery time. An easy fake.

[exstatic]

The Warriors still also have their own 2021 pick, no? Maybe that's the one they'd be willing to part with in such a trade.

But boy that Wiggin deal is not great.

That’s why they need to attach a legitimate asset. I don’t think their pick will likely be enough. I have a hard time seeing them miss the playoffs again, although I suppose it’s possible.

[TD 21]

Spurs aren't doing anything unless Aldridge requests a trade, which seems especially unlikely in a condensed/awkward season.

Either way, he's not fetching Achiuwa or a commensurate prospect and the 76ers wouldn't have interest.

Despite the unflattering metrics, he'll need to be replaced by a stretch big. Everyone needs at least one and it'll be exacerbated with this perimeter corps.

[exstatic]

Spurs aren't doing anything unless Aldridge requests a trade, which seems especially unlikely in a condensed/awkward season.

Either way, he's not fetching Achiuwa or a commensurate prospect and the 76ers wouldn't have interest.

Despite the unflattering metrics, he'll need to be replaced by a stretch big. Everyone needs at least one and it'll be exacerbated with this perimeter corps.

In this day and age, Rudy Gay is a stretch big.

[TD 21]

But there has to be some consideration to the amount of overpay related to the expectations on production. How much is the overpay? If it's 5 million it's not a big deal...if 10 it's more problematic...of course that comes fown to evaluation.

In theory. In reality, this is a relatively inexpensive core. Like, what's the long term opportunity cost? Maybe they have to go slightly cheaper towards the back end of the rotation.

If they believe that him and the young core could turn them into Pacers West (which seems to be their goal), then it's not a big deal.



In this day and age, Rudy Gay is a stretch big.

I meant 5 or at least 4.5. Sure, he plays it some in certain situations, but not constantly like a Collins.

He's also likely to join Aldridge as being gone in the off season.

[PhantomDashCam]

One thing we know for certain, Beasley isn’t going anywhere.
Well that’s not entirely true...
Is this unprecedented?

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1359173432806629377?s=20

[The Truth #6]

Could be...but the discussion around this is based on numerous reports that other teams are interested in LMA... I get what your saying and he looks washed to me but value is derived from the interest of others...and apparently others are interested..

Sounds good to me. I will respectfully stop criticizing him. Great player!

[Thomas82]

It's also their best way to offload Wiggins. The Warriors trying to trade for another star when they already have Curry/Thompson/Green/Wiggins on the books for $135M is a tax bill that would make any owner blanche.

Now the Warriors probably can do better than Aldridge if they are willing to package that MIN pick with Wiggins, but the Warriors will probably want salary relief at least as much as a star player in return. Replacing Wiggins with Beal doesn't help their cap/tax situation.

The Warriors are staying competitive in the middle of the West right now and will get Klay back next season, but Aldridge being a free agent makes things difficult. That's why a deal, before Klay's injury, centered around Aldridge for #2 plus Wiggins made so much sense for both sides.


The Warriors still also have their own 2021 pick, no? Maybe that's the one they'd be willing to part with in such a trade.

But boy that Wiggin deal is not great.


That’s why they need to attach a legitimate asset. I don’t think their pick will likely be enough. I have a hard time seeing them miss the playoffs again, although I suppose it’s possible.

Their own pick wouldn't be enough for us to take back Wiggins. If they offer it to us, I would ask for Wiseman also.

[rankingtear]

The Warriors still also have their own 2021 pick, no? Maybe that's the one they'd be willing to part with in such a trade.

But boy that Wiggin deal is not great.

No, traded it for Oubre.

[CGD]

Their own pick wouldn't be enough for us to take back Wiggins. If they offer it to us, I would ask for Wiseman also.

I don’t know. If GSW fall out of the playoffs it could well be in the 10-14 range. Not bad, as everyone keeps busting nuts about how this is such a “deep” draft.

Wiggins deal is bad, but at least it’s “just” 2 years after this one (not 3+).

[CGD]

Their own pick wouldn't be enough for us to take back Wiggins. If they offer it to us, I would ask for Wiseman also.

I agree, but at 8M per the numbers don’t work.

[exstatic]

No, traded it for Oubre.

I hate Kelly Oubre. He’s a fucking scrub who shoots 40% from the field, but looks like an All Star whenever he plays against us. You’ve definitely got your beer goggles on.

[Dejounte]

I hate Kelly Oubre. He’s a fucking scrub who shoots 40% from the field, but looks like an All Star whenever he plays against us. You’ve definitely got your beer goggles on.

Read his post again.

[exstatic]

Read his post again.

Ah, got it. Still hate Oubre.

[C-Dub]

Spurs could be holding LMA out on purpose so that other teams don't get the chance to continually see how bad he has become which will lower his trade value if he kept regressing. Maybe they waited to late to sit him and other possible trade partners have enough tape LMA already to say heck no to a trade.

[Thomas82]

Spurs could be holding LMA out on purpose so that other teams don't get the chance to continually see how bad he has become which will lower his trade value if he kept regressing. Maybe they waited to late to sit him and other possible trade partners have enough tape LMA already to say heck no to a trade.

In my opinion, they should have traded him the first time he asked for one, if not 2018 at the latest.

[R. DeMurre]

Tbh, I'd take anything.
LMA is done. As we've seen over the past few games, he's a detriment to the team at this point.

Celtics are the only destination that makes sense.
LMA is an expiring, so we can't expect much. I think Robert Williams and a second would be good value.
Give him a shot, if it doesn't work out, it's like whatever.

LMA won't be here next season, anyway. And every front office that's interested knows that. I don't think we can get a first unless we take a bad contract with it.

I'd love Robert Williams lll, but it's not possible. The only thing the Spurs could get back in an Aldridge deal would be their 28 Mil trade exception, and you can't add players to a trade involving an exception.

[KingKev]

I'd love Robert Williams lll, but it's not possible. The only thing the Spurs could get back in an Aldridge deal would be their 28 Mil trade exception, and you can't add players to a trade involving an exception.

i’m surprised the Spurs havent bought him out for 99 cents on the dollar so he can join a rival. For the culture of course.

[CGD]

Who says no?

Indy: LMA + Lonnie to Indy
SAS: Turner + filler+ Indy's late 1st

[Sugus]

Who says no?

Indy: LMA + Lonnie to Indy
SAS: Turner + filler+ Indy's late 1st

Indy, for sure. Also, what's with ST and wanting to sell low on every player? You realize if we see Lonnie's playing like shit, the team that would be trading for him (thus surely scouting him) would see it as well, and lowball us, right? We should be selling high on Murray, if anything, tbh...

[Escawun3]

What about Kevin Love? He would be a better fit at the worst, and maybe he could turn back the clock and be in an all star level. Good free agents aren't coming, so give also Demar a two year contract and roll the dice

[exstatic]

What about Kevin Love? He would be a better fit at the worst, and maybe he could turn back the clock and be in an all star level. Good free agents aren't coming, so give also Demar a two year contract and roll the dice

Kevin Love is done. He can’t stay healthy, and may be the only big man who’s a worse defender than LMA.

[r0drig0lac]

Who says no?

Indy: LMA + Lonnie to Indy
SAS: Turner + filler+ Indy's late 1st

lol

[CGD]

Indy, for sure. Also, what's with ST and wanting to sell low on every player? You realize if we see Lonnie's playing like shit, the team that would be trading for him (thus surely scouting him) would see it as well, and lowball us, right? We should be selling high on Murray, if anything, tbh...

Who said Lonnie is playing like shit? He’s having his first real decent season, even if he is irregular as he is from time to time. The Spurs issue is roster balance.

[KingKev]

Who said Lonnie is playing like shit? He’s having his first real decentseason, even if he is irregular as he is from time to time. The Spurs issue is roster balance.

Dude, LMA has no value and IV at this point is basically the same as a late first but about to command more money. You are lost.

[duncan2k5]

I'd trade LMA and DDR for anything at this point... But we all know pop will keep everything exactly as is... So talking about this is pointless... He has lost his basketball fire, he is more of a father figure to these guys... I think he is using the sport as a cooking mechanism to deal with being lonely... And I get it... I genuinely feel sorry for him... But I would be lying if I said it doesn't make me sad that my team is content with being mediocre and the ppl in charge don't really have winning as a priority at the moment

[TD 21]

Can't see the Celtics being interested for Williams and again, Aldridge needs to be replaced by another stretch big.

Obviously the Pacers wouldn't have interest in Aldridge and Walker, who's metrics indicate is playing at a replacement player level, isn't enough incentive.

[Dejounte]

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That leads me to Collins, who is becoming a legitimate defensive presence in the frontcourt, which comes after he and his representation declined a $90 million contract extension before the season began. That now means he’s headed for restricted free agency.

Collins’ impact stats are through the roof this season. The Hawks are 13.4 points better with him on the floor, per Cleaning the Glass, and that leads the team. He’s in the top 20 in wins above replacement across the NBA. While his box score numbers are down from last year because there are better options on the team who can score, there’s no denying that Collins has been excellent — on both ends, which was a question mark if he can become an impactful defender. He is now, particularly at the four, and anyone who still says he’s not a good defender hasn’t watched enough of this team.

My question is now that he’s headed for free agency, what are those conversations usually like inside a front office a month before the trade deadline? He’s difficult to trade because of his contract, but do you think conversations are likely happening about what the Hawks might get if they could package him with a pricier veteran? And what would you do if you were general manager Travis Schlenk? Collins is now one of the best free agents in the 2021 class, and it’s certainly possible he could get max money. Do you believe it’s wise to build around Young and Collins long term?

Hollinger: If I’m in Atlanta’s front office right now, I’m looking at two things in parallel: 1) What is Collins’ trade value around the league? and 2) What is he likely to cost this summer? I’d be shocked if these conversations weren’t happening. A big chunk of the front office’s job is having them.

You’re correct that trading Collins has some challenges because he’s only on the books for $4.1 million this year, which by itself can only bring back a player who makes $7.3 million. The universe of players who both make that little and are worth trading Collins for is microscopic. Any deal would almost certainly include other deals as filler, with Tony Snell’s expiring $12.1 million deal the most likely candidate. (A Snell-Collins package can return $21.2 million). I have a feeling some Hawks fans would enthusiastically suggest including Rajon Rondo as well, but the $7.5 million he’s owed next season likely would make him less palatable for a trade partner.

The Hawks also need to figure out what outcomes they’re willing to live with after the season. Would they match a max offer sheet? There could be some desperate money out there this summer now that Giannis Antetokounmpo and Paul George are off the market, and Jrue Holiday seems likely to join them.

Going forward with Collins, however, doesn’t strike me as a terrible outcome. The key is that he’s become a reliable 3-point shooter, so there is a floor-spacing element to his game that didn’t exist two years ago. Ultimately, I think they end up keeping Collins because, really, who are they trading him for who’s better? And you’re not trading him for draft picks — not at this point in Atlanta’s cycle.

Kirschner: That’s where I’m at right now. I know teams have called the Hawks about Collins in the past, but nothing has advanced past anything consisting of a legitimate offer that should be taken seriously. My thing is, there’s no one who will be available in free agency who can bring the Hawks anything close to the level of production Collins has and will continue to do so. He is the emotional leader of this team; not Young. Maybe Young will grow into that one day, but Collins is the one who rallies the team.

What I can’t see happening is Schlenk letting Collins walk in free agency for nothing like what Sacramento did with Bogdanovic. There are really only two options that I can foresee happening: Collins returning on a significant salary or the Hawks trading him in a splashy move. I’m sure they will listen to offers, but keeping Collins just seems like the wise decision because of the player he has grown into. He’s one of the best young power forwards in the league.

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https://theathletic.com/2376322/2021/02/09/atlanta-hawks-john-collins-deandre-hunter-cam-reddish/

It's not happening, guys.

[Mr. Body]

Boston is still sitting on that fat, fat trade exception. They seem like a team going nowhere to me, losing Hayward for nothing and with Kemba Walker likely declining. A frontcourt guy like Collins could shake things up, but then no one sniffs his own farts like Danny Ainge does and I'm not sure the Hawks trade with a competitor.

It seems Atlanta signs Collins for more money (matches offers). They can trade him later and despite possible strife with Trae, you can't lose important talent like that.

[tbdog]

Boston is still sitting on that fat, fat trade exception. They seem like a team going nowhere to me, losing Hayward for nothing and with Kemba Walker likely declining. A frontcourt guy like Collins could shake things up, but then no one sniffs his own farts like Danny Ainge does and I'm not sure the Hawks trade with a competitor.

It seems Atlanta signs Collins for more money (matches offers). They can trade him later and despite possible strife with Trae, you can't lose important talent like that.

I still think hawks target DDR. They can only get him if they trade Collins in a double sign and trade.

[exstatic]

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That leads me to Collins, who is becoming a legitimate defensive presence in the frontcourt, which comes after he and his representation declined a $90 million contract extension before the season began. That now means he’s headed for restricted free agency.

Collins’ impact stats are through the roof this season. The Hawks are 13.4 points better with him on the floor, per Cleaning the Glass, and that leads the team. He’s in the top 20 in wins above replacement across the NBA. While his box score numbers are down from last year because there are better options on the team who can score, there’s no denying that Collins has been excellent — on both ends, which was a question mark if he can become an impactful defender. He is now, particularly at the four, and anyone who still says he’s not a good defender hasn’t watched enough of this team.

My question is now that he’s headed for free agency, what are those conversations usually like inside a front office a month before the trade deadline? He’s difficult to trade because of his contract, but do you think conversations are likely happening about what the Hawks might get if they could package him with a pricier veteran? And what would you do if you were general manager Travis Schlenk? Collins is now one of the best free agents in the 2021 class, and it’s certainly possible he could get max money. Do you believe it’s wise to build around Young and Collins long term?

Hollinger: If I’m in Atlanta’s front office right now, I’m looking at two things in parallel: 1) What is Collins’ trade value around the league? and 2) What is he likely to cost this summer? I’d be shocked if these conversations weren’t happening. A big chunk of the front office’s job is having them.

You’re correct that trading Collins has some challenges because he’s only on the books for $4.1 million this year, which by itself can only bring back a player who makes $7.3 million. The universe of players who both make that little and are worth trading Collins for is microscopic. Any deal would almost certainly include other deals as filler, with Tony Snell’s expiring $12.1 million deal the most likely candidate. (A Snell-Collins package can return $21.2 million). I have a feeling some Hawks fans would enthusiastically suggest including Rajon Rondo as well, but the $7.5 million he’s owed next season likely would make him less palatable for a trade partner.

The Hawks also need to figure out what outcomes they’re willing to live with after the season. Would they match a max offer sheet? There could be some desperate money out there this summer now that Giannis Antetokounmpo and Paul George are off the market, and Jrue Holiday seems likely to join them.

Going forward with Collins, however, doesn’t strike me as a terrible outcome. The key is that he’s become a reliable 3-point shooter, so there is a floor-spacing element to his game that didn’t exist two years ago. Ultimately, I think they end up keeping Collins because, really, who are they trading him for who’s better? And you’re not trading him for draft picks — not at this point in Atlanta’s cycle.

Kirschner: That’s where I’m at right now. I know teams have called the Hawks about Collins in the past, but nothing has advanced past anything consisting of a legitimate offer that should be taken seriously. My thing is, there’s no one who will be available in free agency who can bring the Hawks anything close to the level of production Collins has and will continue to do so. He is the emotional leader of this team; not Young. Maybe Young will grow into that one day, but Collins is the one who rallies the team.

What I can’t see happening is Schlenk letting Collins walk in free agency for nothing like what Sacramento did with Bogdanovic. There are really only two options that I can foresee happening: Collins returning on a significant salary or the Hawks trading him in a splashy move. I’m sure they will listen to offers, but keeping Collins just seems like the wise decision because of the player he has grown into. He’s one of the best young power forwards in the league.

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https://theathletic.com/2376322/2021/02/09/atlanta-hawks-john-collins-deandre-hunter-cam-reddish/

It's not happening, guys.



Hollinger probably wrote an article last year about how Sacto would never let Bogdonavic walk for nothing. The point is, no one really knows, or has a good idea. I mean, ATL had a chance to lock him in last offseason, and refused a Max deal then, and his numbers last year were better than they are now. There also is no accounting here for the rift between JC and Trae. Reportedly, Trae won’t even pass him the ball. That’s not a dynamic you really want on your team going forward.

[Dejounte]

Hollinger probably wrote an article last year about how Sacto would never let Bogdonavic walk for nothing. The point is, no one really knows, or has a good idea. I mean, ATL had a chance to lock him in last offseason, and refused a Max deal then, and his numbers last year were better than they are now. There also is no accounting here for the rift between JC and Trae. Reportedly, Trae won’t even pass him the ball. That’s not a dynamic you really want on your team going forward.

I would say that was true early on in the season. Now? I'm not so sure it's the case.

[exstatic]

I would say that was true early on in the season. Now? I'm not so sure it's the case.

Something that bad, where your PG won’t pass the ball to a player, can be glossed over, but it never really goes away. Reminds me a bit of Shaq/Kobe, or maybe a better analogy would be Dallas, and the three Js: Jason Kidd, Jamal Mashburn, and Jim Jackson. Three consecutive top 5 picks, and they could just NEVER get along, and ultimately, all three were shipped out.

[exstatic]

That’s one of the reasons I’m hoping that Sammich blows up in the Gubble. I think that maybe ATL is looking for a way out, and a Sammich/Lonnie package may make them bite. If we do it this summer, and they extend and trade JC into our capspace,they also get a healthy TE.

[Dejounte]

That’s one of the reasons I’m hoping that Sammich blows up in the Gubble. I think that maybe ATL is looking for a way out, and a Sammich/Lonnie package may make them bite. If we do it this summer, and they extend and trade JC into our capspace,they also get a healthy TE.

I was thinking that the whole time I was watching the game. That if you squint your eyes while you're watching Luka, he really looks like a John Collins prototype. If he does blow up, I have a hard time not seeing Atlanta being convinced they could replace JC with Luka. Hopefully, they get fooled by those numbers from last night like you did. :lmao Just busting your balls...

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs should do everything they can to get Collins

[Prime BEEF]

I'd trade LMA and DDR for anything at this point... But we all know pop will keep everything exactly as is... So talking about this is pointless... He has lost his basketball fire, he is more of a father figure to these guys... I think he is using the sport as a cooking mechanism to deal with being lonely... And I get it... I genuinely feel sorry for him... But I would be lying if I said it doesn't make me sad that my team is content with being mediocre and the ppl in charge don't really have winning as a priority at the moment
Yup

[cool cat]

Who says no?

Indy: LMA + Lonnie to Indy
SAS: Turner + filler+ Indy's late 1st

No was is going to give us a decent player and a 1st for LMA. It is more likely we will have to give up the first & LMA to get a good player.

[FutureMan]

Spurs rotation is getting too big anyway. We can easily give up some assets to get someone like Turner.

IND: LMA, Walker, SAS 1st, & SAS 2nd
SAS: Turner & McDermott

[stephen jackson]

Looks like Collins is on the block screw it let’s do it

[Dejounte]

Looks like Collins is on the block screw it let’s do it

He's not "on the block". I read the Athletic article you're talking about. They said they're listening to offers. Huge difference. I think all teams listen to offers about their players, including the Spurs.

[TD 21]

Yeah, but there's good reason to think this is more than just the typical "willingness to listen to offers", which is generally code for, don't bother unless you're willing to make an unforeseen offer or perceived overpay.

Revising my previous proposal and eligible February 23rd . . .

To Hawks: Gordon, Walker IV

To Magic: DeRozan, Eubanks

To Spurs: Collins, Snell, Bamba, Ennis III

[Robz4000]

Yeah, but there's good reason to think this is more than just the typical "willingness to listen to offers", which is generally code for, don't bother unless you're willing to make an unforeseen offer or perceived overpay.

Revising my previous proposal and eligible February 23rd . . .

To Hawks: Gordon, Walker IV

To Magic: DeRozan, Eubanks

To Spurs: Collins, Snell, Bamba, Ennis III

I'd do this trade in a heartbeat.

[mo7888]

Yeah, but there's good reason to think this is more than just the typical "willingness to listen to offers", which is generally code for, don't bother unless you're willing to make an unforeseen offer or perceived overpay.

Revising my previous proposal and eligible February 23rd . . .

To Hawks: Gordon, Walker IV

To Magic: DeRozan, Eubanks

To Spurs: Collins, Snell, Bamba, Ennis III

Atlanta would do that. The Magic....I'm torn but, they might...especially if they are getting good medical reports of Isaac...

[talkspurs]

I dont get why the magic would do it without some type of pick compensation. ATL might want some as well. I would like the trade from the spurs perspective. If DDr agrees to resign there it would increase the chances.

[CGD]

Magic need more in that scenario. Maybe Yakob or a pick of some sort (via Spurs). DDR likely walks.

[tbdog]

I wonder if we took on Snell to get Collins and gave up Gay and Walker plus 1st.

[talkspurs]

Pistons are said to be willing to give up griffin and a young player or pick to get out from Griffin contract. I say send them LMA and Gay. their pick should be good for awhile so even if we had to put it out for a few years would still be worth it.

[exstatic]

Griffin is horrible. He’s a 12/5 player now, and would be due basically $40M next year. Hard pass. Even taking on that contract for a year probably costs us at least one of our youngsters.

[TD 21]

I dont get why the magic would do it without some type of pick compensation. ATL might want some as well. I would like the trade from the spurs perspective. If DDr agrees to resign there it would increase the chances.


Magic need more in that scenario. Maybe Yakob or a pick of some sort (via Spurs). DDR likely walks.

To be clear, the Magic would obviously only theoretically do this either with a DeRozan extension being a prerequisite or with an understanding that it'd be likely.

Hawks do it because: Gordon gives them an affordable replacement at the four, another versatile defender to protect Young and a much needed dose of secondary play making. He also should have solid resale value. Walker IV would be a flyer obviously.

Magic do it because: They're seemingly adverse to re-building, have needed a go-to perimeter type for eons and can't attract superstars/stars in free agency. They're one of the rare teams with depth to spare at the four long term and Bamba is buried.



Pistons are said to be willing to give up griffin and a young player or pick to get out from Griffin contract. I say send them LMA and Gay. their pick should be good for awhile so even if we had to put it out for a few years would still be worth it.

Griffin appears finished, but if the Spurs don't intend to target Collins or even Markkanen, they should consider it depending on the asset. Since the '21 1st and Hayes would be off limits and most of the remaining youth is insufficient, I'd imagine it'd have to be either Bey or a future 1st with top 10 or lottery protection.

[mo7888]

I wonder if we took on Snell to get Collins and gave up Gay and Walker plus 1st.

Collins isn't worth that

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPBPFb4FJ8E


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfkwzFjLTuo

[talkspurs]

Griffin is horrible. He’s a 12/5 player now, and would be due basically $40M next year. Hard pass. Even taking on that contract for a year probably costs us at least one of our youngsters.

no denying this. Your not doing it for griffin your doing it for the pick. it would be like picking up LMA and gay for another year. If we dont have anyone we are going for in FA this year it pushes it back one year while getting an asset. I dont think I would want Bey. I like him and think he will be a good player but I want to see how KJ and Vessel develop in the next few years for our SF position.

[Dejounte]

no denying this. Your not doing it for griffin your doing it for the pick. it would be like picking up LMA and gay for another year. If we dont have anyone we are going for in FA this year it pushes it back one year while getting an asset. I dont think I would want Bey. I like him and think he will be a good player but I want to see how KJ and Vessel develop in the next few years for our SF position.

Bey is another wing that plays big. He plays too similar to Keldon, that's why I wouldn't want him either. Our hole next year looks to be the "Wings" and "Wings who play big" positions, especially if DeMar leaves.

Point guards (1)
Dejounte Murray - 6'5"
Tre Jones - 6'3"

Guards who play wing (1-2-3)
Derrick White - 6'5"
Lonnie Walker - 6'4"
Quinndary Weatherspoon - 6'4"

Wings (3)
Devin Vassell - 6'6"

Wings who play big (3-4)
DeMar DeRozan - 6'7"
Keldon Johnson - 6'6"
*Franz Wagner - 6'9"

Stretch Big (4-5)
Rudy Gay - 6'8"
Luka Samanic - 6'10"
Trey Lyles - 6'9"

Bigs (5)
Jakob Poeltl - 7'0"
LaMarcus Aldridge 6'11"
Drew Eubanks - 6'9"

Luka truly has a chance to earn a rotation spot next year. Excited for that.

[TD 21]

DeRozan and Gay are more than likely gone in the off season and Walker is unlikely to receive an extension at this point.

That leaves Johnson and Vassell as long term wings (you could argue to stretch it to include White, considering his defensive versatility).

Bey would provide a needed 3.5 and volume 3-point shooter.

[Dejounte]

DeRozan and Gay are more than likely gone in the off season and Walker is unlikely to receive an extension at this point.

That leaves Johnson and Vassell as long term wings (you could argue to stretch it to include White, considering his defensive versatility).

Bey would provide a needed 3.5 and volume 3-point shooter.

True, but will still be here next year unless the Spurs grow some cajones and trade him.

As far as Bey, you're right in regards to his shooting. That's an area where he is better than Keldon, and can add value there.

Though highly doubtful he gets traded at this point as he's outplaying Detroit's first round pick from the year prior. They'll probably be more inclined to let Sekou go instead.

However, if DeRozan and Gay do leave as you say, this team will be severely lacking shot creators / players who can create their own shots. One of the young players (Murray or Keldon are the likeliest to me) will have to develop that, or it will need to come from free agency.

[TD 21]

True, but will still be here next year unless the Spurs grow some cajones and trade him.

As far as Bey, you're right in regards to his shooting. That's an area where he is better than Keldon, and can add value there.

Though highly doubtful he gets traded at this point as he's outplaying Detroit's first round pick from the year prior. They'll probably be more inclined to let Sekou go instead.

:wow Right, but I'm saying he should be viewed as a depth piece at this point.

Agreed. Doumbouya is just not enough incentive for taking on a contract as onerous as Griffin's (even if it does expire in '22) though. If it's not Bey or maybe a protected future 1st in the near future, it's not worthy of discussion.

[mo7888]

Unless Detroit gives up an unprotected 1st, I wouldn't be interested in trading for Griffin at all...(and I doubt they do that and honestly I'm not sure that's enough for a $40M contract)

[cd021]

The only chance a deal happens is if any of the vets asked to be traded otherwise there won’t be a deal


I wonder if we took on Snell to get Collins and gave up Gay and Walker plus 1st.


Snell is an expiring so, its not like his deal affects their cap going forward. The Spurs giving up a first to get Collins means that they'd have to be prepared to pay him the max. Even then, they'd be giving up a first just to have him on the team entering RFA as opposed to offering a deal and hoping he accepts and the Hawks don't match. I don't think I like that, as much as the Spurs need a PF going forward.

[cd021]

No, traded it for Oubre.
It's likely not going to convey, because it's top 20 protected and GSW is looking like their pick will be in the teens. That means they'd be sending the Minny 2021 2nd round pick out instead.

Technically, GSW can still trade their 2021 first but they'd have to be specific with the protections.

[cd021]

Who says no?

Indy: LMA + Lonnie to Indy
SAS: Turner + filler+ Indy's late 1st

Both teams.

I suggested this trade a while back:

DeRozan for Turner and McDermott

That was around the time they got Levert. Trading for DeMar makes less sense now that they have him, but they'd likely trade Turner for a wing. Still, that would probably be closer to what Indy would be looking for for Turner.

[Dverde]

LMA going to get a buy out like Pau Gasol. Spurs realize team is better without him starting, player whines about bench role, requests a buy out, Spurs agree to buy out player.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Snell is an expiring so, its not like his deal affects their cap going forward. The Spurs giving up a first to get Collins means that they'd have to be prepared to pay him the max. Even then, they'd be giving up a first just to have him on the team entering RFA as opposed to offering a deal and hoping he accepts and the Hawks don't match. I don't think I like that, as much as the Spurs need a PF going forward.

There's some value in having Collins' rights - if the plan is to have him and keep DDR. Otherwise they'd have to renounce DDR before offering Collins the max or near it.

[Dejounte]

LMA going to get a buy out like Pau Gasol. Spurs realize team is better without him starting, player whines about bench role, requests a buy out, Spurs agree to buy out player.

Or he may just flat out retire if the hip thing is chronic / lingers when he has too much basketball activity.

[Mr. Body]

Celtics struggling with Washington at half time. It's hard to emphasize how much Ainge fucked this up and now with losing Hayward for nothing they're on a slow spiral down. They have to make a move, use that huge trade exception somehow.

[Seventyniner]

Celtics struggling with Washington at half time. It's hard to emphasize how much Ainge fucked this up and now with losing Hayward for nothing they're on a slow spiral down. They have to make a move, use that huge trade exception somehow.

If the Cs get desperate, Aldridge for a TE plus a minor asset could gain some traction. The Spurs would then gain some much-needed breathing room under the tax and could absorb a smaller salary, perhaps even for another minor asset.

Would the Spurs' TE disappear if they go under the cap this offseason? If not it becomes even more appealing for the Spurs.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If the Cs get desperate, Aldridge for a TE plus a minor asset could gain some traction. The Spurs would then gain some much-needed breathing room under the tax and could absorb a smaller salary, perhaps even for another minor asset.

Would the Spurs' TE disappear if they go under the cap this offseason? If not it becomes even more appealing for the Spurs.

The TE would likely be useless for the Spurs, as they'd need to renounce it in order to use the cap space. I wouldn't do it unless Bos give us another asset or two.

[cd021]

There's some value in having Collins' rights - if the plan is to have him and keep DDR. Otherwise they'd have to renounce DDR before offering Collins the max or near it.

Sure but I think if the Spurs were going to lock up DDR, then they would have already done so.

There's the point that they would have to build an extension on top of his $27.7 million dollar salary and that's why they're letting him hit FA, so they can re-sign him to a more reasonable deal.

Then again, I assume DeMar wants similar money over 3 years (something like 3 years, $75 million). Trading for Collins and then re-signing Collins and DDR is possible but that's going to be a very expensive team with a log jam on the perimeter, with DDR reverting back to the 3, and the team would still having Murray, White, Vassell and KJ.

[KingKev]

The TE would likely be useless for the Spurs, as they'd need to renounce it in order to use the cap space. I wouldn't do it unless Bos give us another asset or two.

we have cap space so the TPE is virtually worthless; it only helps facilitate an LMA trade for a 2nd or distressed asset without taking bad salary back. We need to pull the trigger on that because sending LMA to the bench will cue the bitch in him and we will end up paying him 90 cents on the dollar to play for the Clippers.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Sure but I think if the Spurs were going to lock up DDR, then they would have already done so.

There's the point that they would have to build an extension on top of his $27.7 million dollar salary and that's why they're letting him hit FA, so they can re-sign him to a more reasonable deal.

Then again, I assume DeMar wants similar money over 3 years (something like 3 years, $75 million).

I doubt DDR would be that cheap. He'll get a Hayward type offer from somewhere. He'd actually be really great value at 3/75 or so if he decides to give PATFO a discount, but it seems highly unlikely.


Trading for Collins and then re-signing Collins and DDR is possible but that's going to be a very expensive team with a log jam on the perimeter, with DDR reverting back to the 3, and the team would still having Murray, White, Vassell and KJ.

It'd be expensive indeed. Some of the younger guys would have to be traded within a couple of years.

[cd021]

Unless Detroit gives up an unprotected 1st, I wouldn't be interested in trading for Griffin at all...(and I doubt they do that and honestly I'm not sure that's enough for a $40M contract)

I agree. There would have to be two assets involved to take on $40 million in cap. A top 10 protected 1st isn't cutting it. More like top 3 or 5 and another asset like Doumboya.

Spurs would have to do that deal at the deadline, which would effectively kill their off-season before it begins but the promise of a great pick, another solid prospect and another top half 1st round pick could be enough for them to be interested.

Griffin's deal also becomes a vehicle to take on massive salaries in exchange for multiple assets at next seasons trade deadline. Don't think the Spurs would consider it but that wouldn't be the worst route for them to take.

[exstatic]

The TE would likely be useless for the Spurs, as they'd need to renounce it in order to use the cap space. I wouldn't do it unless Bos give us another asset or two.

It depends what their plans are. That TE can be used all the way up to the draft if they decide they want to resign DD and it looks like nothing suits their needs on the FA market. In addition, if they do the trade early, like not on deadline day, they could be players to take even some ending salary (+assets) to facilitate other deadline deals.

[TD 21]

I agree. There would have to be two assets involved to take on $40 million in cap. A top 10 protected 1st isn't cutting it. More like top 3 or 5 and another asset like Doumboya.

Spurs would have to do that deal at the deadline, which would effectively kill their off-season before it begins but the promise of a great pick, another solid prospect and another top half 1st round pick could be enough for them to be interested.

Griffin's deal also becomes a vehicle to take on massive salaries in exchange for multiple assets at next seasons trade deadline. Don't think the Spurs would consider it but that wouldn't be the worst route for them to take.

The Pistons would obviously only even consider that if they needed the cap space because they had something big lined up in free agency, which is unlikely (ironically, DeRozan is probably the only possibility depending on how the draft shakes out).

If DeRozan would be willing to extend with them, the Spurs could attempt to work out a sign and trade for what you proposed (the exact protections going forward would need to be negotiated obviously).

[Dejounte]

Yeah, if the Spurs keep winning, there's no way I see DeMar included in any trade. That would be completely demoralizing for the team since he's a big contributor. He would have to go in a S&T.

[tbdog]

There's concern about DDR contract. His team obviously felt that due to the pandemic, he'll get less than his opt in. Then teams spent regardless and Hayward got 120 mil for four years. His agent will be looking at that number and probably take 4/110. Spurs probably want to offer him 3/88. And tbh, I don't want DDR for a 4 year. This is his last big contract and he'll sign with a team that's unlikely to contend over the next 3 years. What would he be playing for in SA? Atm, he is playing for that contract.

[tonight...you]

There's concern about DDR contract. His team obviously felt that due to the pandemic, he'll get less than his opt in. Then teams spent regardless and Hayward got 120 mil for four years. His agent will be looking at that number and probably take 4/110. Spurs probably want to offer him 3/88. And tbh, I don't want DDR for a 4 year. This is his last big contract and he'll sign with a team that's unlikely to contend over the next 3 years. What would he be playing for in SA? Atm, he is playing for that contract.
If he wants to make those extra millions, or chase a ring - that's his prerogative.
If he wants to help cultivate something that might become special here, that's also his prerogative.
He's a different dude, for sure, so all things could be on the table.

It's up to the Spurs FO to navigate such matters.
Hopefully things come together in a fruitful manner for the team.

[GAustex]

Let him walk or trade him to some sucker for something good

[cd021]

The Pistons would obviously only even consider that if they needed the cap space because they had something big lined up in free agency, which is unlikely (ironically, DeRozan is probably the only possibility depending on how the draft shakes out).

If DeRozan would be willing to extend with them, the Spurs could attempt to work out a sign and trade for what you proposed (the exact protections going forward would need to be negotiated obviously).

Turns out that Detroit can't necessarily trade their firsts because its owes a top 16 protected in 2021 and 2022, top 18 protected in 2023 and 2024, and top 13 and top 11 protected in 2025 and 2026 to Houston. That complicates their ability to off-loading Blake. They really don't have much in the way of assets tbh.

Doesn't really make sense for the Spurs to S&T DDR for Blake if they aren't getting a good first. Even if its for Doumboya-- a player that they really seemed to want-- that doesn't justify such a trade. too bad.

[tonight...you]

Turns out that Detroit can't necessarily trade their firsts because its owes a top 16 protected in 2021 and 2022, top 18 protected in 2023 and 2024, and top 13 and top 11 protected in 2025 and 2026 to Houston. That complicates their ability to off-loading Blake. They really don't have much in the way of assets tbh.

Doesn't really make sense for the Spurs to S&T DDR for Blake if they aren't getting a good first. Even if its for Doumboya-- a player that they really seemed to want-- that doesn't justify such a trade. too bad.
Very good info.
Thank you.

[Biggems]

no denying this. Your not doing it for griffin your doing it for the pick. it would be like picking up LMA and gay for another year. If we dont have anyone we are going for in FA this year it pushes it back one year while getting an asset. I dont think I would want Bey. I like him and think he will be a good player but I want to see how KJ and Vessel develop in the next few years for our SF position.

which Bey? I personally like the one from Colorado, not the one from Villanova.

[talkspurs]

which Bey? I personally like the one from Colorado, not the one from Villanova.

The one on Det. I think he came from villanova. He is more of a sf/pf but I see him more of a S/f.

[cjw]

we have cap space so the TPE is virtually worthless; it only helps facilitate an LMA trade for a 2nd or distressed asset without taking bad salary back. We need to pull the trigger on that because sending LMA to the bench will cue the bitch in him and we will end up paying him 90 cents on the dollar to play for the Clippers.

The Spurs don’t have cap space until they renounce players (and the TPE counts against cap space). So can carry it into offseason.

But you’re right in that if they plan to use cap space, it almost certainly means renouncing the TPE.

[Biggems]

The one on Det. I think he came from villanova. He is more of a sf/pf but I see him more of a S/f.

oh ok, so Saddiq. I was not all that impressed with him coming into the draft. I thought he was a good college player, but a bit overrated. I really liked the Tyler Bey's toughness and defensive potential. I know he needs to work on his offensive game a bit, but defenders who can guard 1-4 are great assets to have. I really felt like he and Vassell would make a great SF rotation for the future.

[Biggems]

So Mo Bamba has 2 years left on his deal. Trey Lyles has 1. Bamba makes almost 500,000 more than Lyles. So Orlando saves money and gets an expiring contract. Do you think we could send Lyles and a 2nd to Orlando for Bamba?

[Biggems]

Too bad we cannot trade Aldridge for Drummond straight up. Both have expiring contracts and Drummond is 4 million more expensive, but he would be a perfect compliment to Poetl. Also, he and Poetl would give us the necessary front court to go against Denver, Utah, and the Lakers.

A lot of people in here are sour on Drummond, but he has been a very productive player his entire career. He has been a double double machine, averaging in the mid teens in both points and rebounds. I will take that all day over LaSuckas Softridge.

[LCM]

LMA has a trade kicker, so the total would be 27m+ if traded to another team. A certain percentage is added to the contract.

[talkspurs]

So Mo Bamba has 2 years left on his deal. Trey Lyles has 1. Bamba makes almost 500,000 more than Lyles. So Orlando saves money and gets an expiring contract. Do you think we could send Lyles and a 2nd to Orlando for Bamba?

I have been saying this for awhile but throwing in lonnie instead of a pick. It would give them someone young at a position that they could use. I dont think they would give him up for a second. Especially if it is believed to be a low 2nd for someone they picked as an early 1st.

As for your other post. I liked Shaddiq better and wanted the spurs to get him. I think he is more of a 3 though as Tyler I see as more of a 3/4 but more of a 4. I wanted us to get Shaddiq over Vassel but have been pleased that we got vassel as well.

[cd021]

There's concern about DDR contract. His team obviously felt that due to the pandemic, he'll get less than his opt in. Then teams spent regardless and Hayward got 120 mil for four years. His agent will be looking at that number and probably take 4/110. Spurs probably want to offer him 3/88. And tbh, I don't want DDR for a 4 year. This is his last big contract and he'll sign with a team that's unlikely to contend over the next 3 years. What would he be playing for in SA? Atm, he is playing for that contract.


DDR can ask for 4 years, $120 but that's not happening and certainly not from the Spurs tbh. He's been very good but I think his rep as a flawed player will keep teams from committing that much for him.


3 years, $88 million just seems steep. I really don't see the Spurs offering him a long-term deal for that much, or at all really. I think DDR has been good for this team but ponying up that much when there are other options that can step into a bigger role seems crazy to me tbh.

[tbdog]

DDR can ask for 4 years, $120 but that's not happening and certainly not from the Spurs tbh. He's been very good but I think his rep as a flawed player will keep teams from committing that much for him.


3 years, $88 million just seems steep. I really don't see the Spurs offering him a long-term deal for that much, or at all really. I think DDR has been good for this team but ponying up that much when there are other options that can step into a bigger role seems crazy to me tbh.

Last off seasons guards and forwards signings.


Malik Beasley agrees to a four-year, $60 million contract with the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Bogdan Bogdanovic agrees to a four-year, $72 million contract with the Atlanta Hawks

De'Aaron Fox agrees to a five-year, $163 million (worth up to $195 million) max extension with the Sacramento Kings.

Danilo Gallinari agrees to a three-year, $61.5 million contract with the Atlanta Hawks.

Joe Harris agrees to a four-year, $75 million contract with the Brooklyn Nets

Gordon Hayward agrees to a four-year, $120 million contract with the Charlotte Hornets.

Brandon Ingram agrees to a five-year, $158 million max extension with the New Orleans Pelicans.

Donovan Mitchell agrees to a five-year, $163 million (worth up to $195 million) max extension with the Utah Jazz.

Jayson Tatum agrees to a five-year, $163 million (worth up to $195 million) max extension with the Celtics

Fred VanVleet agrees to a four-year, $85 million contract with the Toronto Raptors

[ace3g]

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The Raptors and Cavaliers are engaged in active talks on potential Andre Drummond deal to Toronto/Tampa, per sources. Details about that and more on Inside Pass at @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/): theathletic.com/2387459/2021/0… (https://t.co/TkABHOgrFp)
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[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Drummond to Toronto would be difficult to accomplish salary-wise without help from a third team.

[toki9]

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From that Athletic article: "Drummond was pulled from the lineup in Sunday’s game against the Clippers due to “rest” with Cleveland on a back-to-back at the Clippers and the Warriors on Monday. Multiple sources told The Athletic that Drummond was pulled from the lineup also in part due to his “attitude and play” recently, and sources say Cavaliers coach JB Bickerstaff has had multiple sit-down conversations with the big man.'

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Drummond wants a buyout so he can join the Nets. I can't imagine Cleveland are happy about it.

[Dejounte]

From that Athletic article: "Drummond was pulled from the lineup in Sunday’s game against the Clippers due to “rest” with Cleveland on a back-to-back at the Clippers and the Warriors on Monday. Multiple sources told The Athletic that Drummond was pulled from the lineup also in part due to his “attitude and play” recently, and sources say Cavaliers coach JB Bickerstaff has had multiple sit-down conversations with the big man.'

From the same article:

Atlanta Hawks

As our Sam Amick reported, the Hawks have shown a willingness to listen to offers on John Collins. Collins is an integral part of the Hawks’ core, averaging 18.1 points and 7.8 rebounds while shooting 39.1 percent from 3-point land. Atlanta has so far sought a high first-round, lottery-level pick if it is to move Collins, sources said.

San Antonio Spurs

DeMar DeRozan is making a strong All-Star case this season, averaging nearly 20 points, 6.9 assists and 5 rebounds — a stat line only four other players (LeBron James, Nikola Jokic, Luka Doncic, James Harden) in the NBA hold. The Spurs are a legitimate postseason contender this season at 16-11, blending their veteran talent like DeRozan among a young talented core of Dejounte Murray, Derrick White, Keldon Johnson, Devin Vassell and Lonnie Walker IV.

[rankingtear]

[Shams] Atlanta has so far sought a high first-round, lottery-level pick if it is to move Collins, sources said.

[JADG79]

After Drummond rumors with the Raptors, Chris Boucher would be a nice addition if Toronto is willing to trade him, for some reason Nurse is not playing him at PF just sharing time at center with Baynes. He can play PF/C in SA.

We have some expiring contracts that we can use as a trade bait (LA, Gay, Mills and Lyles) I think Lonnie is a trade material.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Considering our recent history with trade deadline moves, I'd expect our FO to stand pat through this one as well. LMA would make sense to trade in the right scenario, especially if we could secure future picks. I just don't want us to pick up another team's trash at the expense of resigning any of our current players...I'd probably include DDR in that 'current' group.

[r0drig0lac]

So Mo Bamba has 2 years left on his deal. Trey Lyles has 1. Bamba makes almost 500,000 more than Lyles. So Orlando saves money and gets an expiring contract. Do you think we could send Lyles and a 2nd to Orlando for Bamba?

Aldridge + Walker for Bamba + Fournier, although I still don't think trading Walker is the right thing (except for Collins).

[Dejounte]

Aldridge + Walker for Bamba + Fournier, although I still don't think trading Walker is the right thing (except for Collins).


If that deal comes with their unprotected pick, I say hell yes. They're sitting at #5 right now.

[John B]

The Cleveland Cavaliers
(https://www.facebook.com/Cavs/?__cft__[0]=AZUAMaYt3K6R202BEn8ybMj8lcjv1la1xxuI0mtbMHhPRIcM9 lQPdA4O8WL_uV5Y_Evvjc-2w5k2uFxZHm8Ma1IgKMGk0-2aAeURsXWUQcxiLYk1hHmzSKX7cZ4i-eq2cp_8TaArK8hKVgl3MzgfxZV8ztUvlwNbDx96bP1m7eiHzvd I0oBTErRmMO0Q68uRjKNASL-9hlrc4AWHWdewycK9FbV26QJSlb7vi_ts7Y-fKQ&__tn__=kK-y-R) are no longer planning to play center Andre Drummond
(https://www.facebook.com/groups/863704576974900/user/100044382640903/?__cft__[0]=AZUAMaYt3K6R202BEn8ybMj8lcjv1la1xxuI0mtbMHhPRIcM9 lQPdA4O8WL_uV5Y_Evvjc-2w5k2uFxZHm8Ma1IgKMGk0-2aAeURsXWUQcxiLYk1hHmzSKX7cZ4i-eq2cp_8TaArK8hKVgl3MzgfxZV8ztUvlwNbDx96bP1m7eiHzvd I0oBTErRmMO0Q68uRjKNASL-9hlrc4AWHWdewycK9FbV26QJSlb7vi_ts7Y-fKQ&__tn__=-]K-y-R) as they work to trade the two-time All-Star prior to the NBA
(https://www.facebook.com/nba/?__cft__[0]=AZUAMaYt3K6R202BEn8ybMj8lcjv1la1xxuI0mtbMHhPRIcM9 lQPdA4O8WL_uV5Y_Evvjc-2w5k2uFxZHm8Ma1IgKMGk0-2aAeURsXWUQcxiLYk1hHmzSKX7cZ4i-eq2cp_8TaArK8hKVgl3MzgfxZV8ztUvlwNbDx96bP1m7eiHzvd I0oBTErRmMO0Q68uRjKNASL-9hlrc4AWHWdewycK9FbV26QJSlb7vi_ts7Y-fKQ&__tn__=kK-y-R)’s March 25 deadline, sources told Adrian Wojnarowski
(https://www.facebook.com/wojespn/?__cft__[0]=AZUAMaYt3K6R202BEn8ybMj8lcjv1la1xxuI0mtbMHhPRIcM9 lQPdA4O8WL_uV5Y_Evvjc-2w5k2uFxZHm8Ma1IgKMGk0-2aAeURsXWUQcxiLYk1hHmzSKX7cZ4i-eq2cp_8TaArK8hKVgl3MzgfxZV8ztUvlwNbDx96bP1m7eiHzvd I0oBTErRmMO0Q68uRjKNASL-9hlrc4AWHWdewycK9FbV26QJSlb7vi_ts7Y-fKQ&__tn__=kK-y-R) and Brian Windhorst
(https://www.facebook.com/WindhorstESPN/?__cft__[0]=AZUAMaYt3K6R202BEn8ybMj8lcjv1la1xxuI0mtbMHhPRIcM9 lQPdA4O8WL_uV5Y_Evvjc-2w5k2uFxZHm8Ma1IgKMGk0-2aAeURsXWUQcxiLYk1hHmzSKX7cZ4i-eq2cp_8TaArK8hKVgl3MzgfxZV8ztUvlwNbDx96bP1m7eiHzvd I0oBTErRmMO0Q68uRjKNASL-9hlrc4AWHWdewycK9FbV26QJSlb7vi_ts7Y-fKQ&__tn__=kK-y-R)..

Can we trade Aldridge for him? Both are hitting FA next season. Does it make sense for this season to get him?

[John B]

After Drummond rumors with the Raptors, Chris Boucher would be a nice addition if Toronto is willing to trade him, for some reason Nurse is not playing him at PF just sharing time at center with Baynes. He can play PF/C in SA.

We have some expiring contracts that we can use as a trade bait (LA, Gay, Mills and Lyles) I think Lonnie is a trade material.

After watching the Spurs routed them, they might want our "productive" guys. But I doubt Pop let Mills go. That guy is a Spurs-for-life.

[Dejounte]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30906202/blake-griffin-sit-detroit-pistons-weigh-trade-buyout-options-former-all-star?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true

Griffin is on his way out.

Six-time All-Star forward Blake Griffin and the Detroit Pistons have agreed that he will be out of the lineup until the franchise and his representatives work through a resolution on his playing future, Pistons general manager Troy Weaver told ESPN.

The Pistons will continue to pursue trade scenarios involving Griffin and talks on a contract buyout with his agent Sam Goldfeder of Excel Sports could eventually come into focus.

The Pistons are moving toward a rebuild under Weaver, and this gives the franchise a chance to play younger players as Griffin moves toward finding a role on a contending team.

"After extensive conversation with Blake's representatives, it has been determined that we will begin working to facilitate a resolution regarding his future with the team that maximizes the interests of both parties," Weaver told ESPN on Monday. "We respect all the effort Blake has put forth in Detroit and his career and will work to achieve a positive outcome for all involved."

In a statement, Griffin told ESPN: "I am grateful to the Pistons for understanding what I want to accomplish in my career and for working together on the best path forward."

Finding a trade for Griffin -- who's owed a remaining $36.6 million this season, and $39 million in 2021-2022 -- will be a challenge, but the team will continue to seek a deal until the March 25th trade deadline, sources said.

Detroit's entered a full-fledged rebuild under the first-year GM, Weaver, and the opportunity to play the franchise's younger players -- including rookie forward Saddiq Bey -- are taking precedent now.

Injuries have dramatically altered Griffin's game, eliminating the high-flying rim attacks that marked his All-Star career. He's averaging 12.3 points, 5.2 rebounds and 3.9 assists for Detroit this season. Griffin had solid back-to-back performances on Thursday and Friday, including 12 points, six assists and four rebounds in a road victory over the Boston Celtics.

Griffin was traded less than a season into a five-year, $171 million max deal with the LA Clippers, arriving in Detroit in late January of 2018.

[NASpurs]

DDR can ask for 4 years, $120 but that's not happening and certainly not from the Spurs tbh. He's been very good but I think his rep as a flawed player will keep teams from committing that much for him.


3 years, $88 million just seems steep. I really don't see the Spurs offering him a long-term deal for that much, or at all really. I think DDR has been good for this team but ponying up that much when there are other options that can step into a bigger role seems crazy to me tbh.

Feels like we've been burned before by giving guys on the wrong side of 30 years old big contracts. Hopefully someone else overpays him and this organization learns from its past.

[spurraider21]

time to trade aldridge was the draft. his value is in the gutter. at this point, not sure what kind of piece we can get that would be better than the expiring deal he represents

[Dejounte]

So yeah, no thanks for Drummond on the Spurs:
https://streamable.com/gaj2eb

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/SmithRaps/status/1361345530832551936?s=19

[Titi Parisien]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y67nrmm9

[talkspurs]

Would have to wait till march 3rd but I would do it.

https://tradenba.com/trades/C3IFp6h6Y

Have DDR and Lowery back together. Have them come off the bench. Put Boucher as the 4 with Poeltl slide KJ down to 3. Cleveland wants to get rid of Drummand and hearing torento is looking to get rid or lowery. Boucher is good but does not get the PT in Tor for some reason. I dont think we would need to include a pick if Cleveland wanted one might be able to give them tor. or we get Tor and we send Cleveland ours.

[B1gduff]

Lamo these are some of thw worst trades I've seen.

SOme of y'all that want to Trade Demar....It's too late? we're 16-11 playing the easiest part of our scehdule. Its too late to tank.

[3&D_TBH]

So yeah, no thanks for Drummond on the Spurs:
https://streamable.com/gaj2eb
Damn. I didn't know it was like that. Stay the fuck away from that train wreck.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30906202/blake-griffin-sit-detroit-pistons-weigh-trade-buyout-options-former-all-star?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true

Griffin is on his way out.

Six-time All-Star forward Blake Griffin and the Detroit Pistons have agreed that he will be out of the lineup until the franchise and his representatives work through a resolution on his playing future, Pistons general manager Troy Weaver told ESPN.

The Pistons will continue to pursue trade scenarios involving Griffin and talks on a contract buyout with his agent Sam Goldfeder of Excel Sports could eventually come into focus.

The Pistons are moving toward a rebuild under Weaver, and this gives the franchise a chance to play younger players as Griffin moves toward finding a role on a contending team.

"After extensive conversation with Blake's representatives, it has been determined that we will begin working to facilitate a resolution regarding his future with the team that maximizes the interests of both parties," Weaver told ESPN on Monday. "We respect all the effort Blake has put forth in Detroit and his career and will work to achieve a positive outcome for all involved."

In a statement, Griffin told ESPN: "I am grateful to the Pistons for understanding what I want to accomplish in my career and for working together on the best path forward."

Finding a trade for Griffin -- who's owed a remaining $36.6 million this season, and $39 million in 2021-2022 -- will be a challenge, but the team will continue to seek a deal until the March 25th trade deadline, sources said.

Detroit's entered a full-fledged rebuild under the first-year GM, Weaver, and the opportunity to play the franchise's younger players -- including rookie forward Saddiq Bey -- are taking precedent now.

Injuries have dramatically altered Griffin's game, eliminating the high-flying rim attacks that marked his All-Star career. He's averaging 12.3 points, 5.2 rebounds and 3.9 assists for Detroit this season. Griffin had solid back-to-back performances on Thursday and Friday, including 12 points, six assists and four rebounds in a road victory over the Boston Celtics.

Griffin was traded less than a season into a five-year, $171 million max deal with the LA Clippers, arriving in Detroit in late January of 2018.

Griffin is making LMA look spry these days. Any deal involving Griffin would be a hard "NO".

[TD 21]

Turns out that Detroit can't necessarily trade their firsts because its owes a top 16 protected in 2021 and 2022, top 18 protected in 2023 and 2024, and top 13 and top 11 protected in 2025 and 2026 to Houston. That complicates their ability to off-loading Blake. They really don't have much in the way of assets tbh.

Doesn't really make sense for the Spurs to S&T DDR for Blake if they aren't getting a good first. Even if its for Doumboya-- a player that they really seemed to want-- that doesn't justify such a trade. too bad.

Oh yeah. Ah well, it's not like it was going to happen anyway. It was just a hypothetical that could make sense for the Spurs in a certain context, but it's unlikely they'd be willing to add enough incentive for them or anyone to take on his albatross.

This ends one of two ways: They take back someone else's albatross (or multiple lesser ones) or a buyout.

[Dverde]

Time to play who trades for that horrible Blake Griffin contract???? 39 million player option next year :lol

[mo7888]

Time to play who trades for that horrible Blake Griffin contract???? 39 million player option next year :lol

Maybe Russ for Blake? It knocks a year off of Washington's payroll? That's about all I have unless Detroit adds alot of value (value they may not even have)

[cjw]

Spurs find themselves in an awkward spot, as they shouldn’t be sellers as the team is competitive and should push for the playoffs. However, there aren’t many sellers - especially in the west - and it’ll be a sellers’ market.

Best move may to be a little of each - move LMA to a team where he’s a better fit, and find a better fit to play the 4 / 5 in a pinch. I don’t mind moving out one first rounder given how deep the roster is, with two guys in Luka and Jones likely having bigger roles next season.

A lot depends on if they think Eubanks can eat backup big minutes or if there are other alternatives there. Sounds weird to be concerned with someone who’s outside the top 10 on the roster, but if he’s serviceable it makes it a lot easier to trade LMA.

[mo7888]

Spurs find themselves in an awkward spot, as they shouldn’t be sellers as the team is competitive and should push for the playoffs. However, there aren’t many sellers - especially in the west - and it’ll be a sellers’ market.

Best move may to be a little of each - move LMA to a team where he’s a better fit, and find a better fit to play the 4 / 5 in a pinch. I don’t mind moving out one first rounder given how deep the roster is, with two guys in Luka and Jones likely having bigger roles next season.

A lot depends on if they think Eubanks can eat backup big minutes or if there are other alternatives there. Sounds weird to be concerned with someone who’s outside the top 10 on the roster, but if he’s serviceable it makes it a lot easier to trade LMA.

I wouldn't move a 1st unless it was a special return.... and, as you say, it's a sellers market... they shouldn't need to move a 1st and should expect a slight overpay for anything they move out.

[cjw]

I wouldn't move a 1st unless it was a special return.... and, as you say, it's a sellers market... they shouldn't need to move a 1st and should expect a slight overpay for anything they move out.

Yeah, you explained it better than I did. If you want to improve, you may be able to do it by moving out less because you also have a piece that other teams want in Aldridge. Many of us are down on him right now, but because it’s a sellers market, you may be able to reduce the price of something else you want by getting more than you otherwise would for LMA.

Trade a first only if it brings you a guy you’re happy sacrificing next year’s free agency for. Because it probably means no cap space + likely using it to resign Demar.

[LCM]

Sacramento has lost 3 straight, and the rest of February and beginning of March won't be easy. They need to decide if they are trading Hield or Barnes before they extend Bagley into that 20 mill+ salary slot. Barnes has one year left, Hield has 3 remaining. LMA's contract can be used as a third team to get future assets or facilitate for a player that could help the Spurs now. Sacramento gets payroll off their books. But, it depends on if they nose dive toward the start of March.

[mo7888]

Sacramento has lost 3 straight, and the rest of February and beginning of March won't be easy. They need to decide if they are trading Hield or Barnes before they extend Bagley into that 20 mill+ salary slot. Barnes has one year left, Hield has 3 remaining. LMA's contract can be used as a third team to get future assets or facilitate for a player that could help the Spurs now. Sacramento gets payroll off their books. But, it depends on if they nose dive toward the start of March.

If we facilitate anything with Sacto we better get Woodard out of the deal.

[RC_Drunkford]

Time to play who trades for that horrible Blake Griffin contract???? 39 million player option next year :lol

OKC

[KobesAchilles]

OKC
There’s zero context here but imagine they had Harden, Russ, KD, CP3, and now Griffen and have zero rings to show for it :lol

[LCM]

If we facilitate anything with Sacto we better get Woodard out of the deal.

I'd be all for that!!

[cd021]

Last off seasons guards and forwards signings.


Malik Beasley agrees to a four-year, $60 million contract with the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Bogdan Bogdanovic agrees to a four-year, $72 million contract with the Atlanta Hawks

De'Aaron Fox agrees to a five-year, $163 million (worth up to $195 million) max extension with the Sacramento Kings.

Danilo Gallinari agrees to a three-year, $61.5 million contract with the Atlanta Hawks.

Joe Harris agrees to a four-year, $75 million contract with the Brooklyn Nets

Gordon Hayward agrees to a four-year, $120 million contract with the Charlotte Hornets.

Brandon Ingram agrees to a five-year, $158 million max extension with the New Orleans Pelicans.

Donovan Mitchell agrees to a five-year, $163 million (worth up to $195 million) max extension with the Utah Jazz.

Jayson Tatum agrees to a five-year, $163 million (worth up to $195 million) max extension with the Celtics

Fred VanVleet agrees to a four-year, $85 million contract with the Toronto Raptors

A lot of those players are in their early to mid 20's and are either good 3pt shooters and/ or good defenders. DeRozan is none of those things. He seems to be undervalued by the league because he lacks those two skills and is very ball dominant. He could probably get 3 years, $75-$80 million but the Spurs are flush with guards/wings that can replace most of what he does with increased minutes and usage. I don't think he gets re-signed but could still cash out elsewhere.

[cd021]

Feels like we've been burned before by giving guys on the wrong side of 30 years old big contracts. Hopefully someone else overpays him and this organization learns from its past.
Funny thing is that DeMar is young enough and has the skill-set to age fairly well. He can still probably still be a good player for the next three seasons but it simply doesn't make sense for the Spurs to bring him back with Murray, White, KJ, Vassell, and Walker in the fold. I think they should let him walk and see how they'd fair with increased minutes and usage.

[cd021]

Spurs find themselves in an awkward spot, as they shouldn’t be sellers as the team is competitive and should push for the playoffs. However, there aren’t many sellers - especially in the west - and it’ll be a sellers’ market.

Best move may to be a little of each - move LMA to a team where he’s a better fit, and find a better fit to play the 4 / 5 in a pinch. I don’t mind moving out one first rounder given how deep the roster is, with two guys in Luka and Jones likely having bigger roles next season.

A lot depends on if they think Eubanks can eat backup big minutes or if there are other alternatives there. Sounds weird to be concerned with someone who’s outside the top 10 on the roster, but if he’s serviceable it makes it a lot easier to trade LMA.

Aldridge is owed $27 million once acquired via trade to a trade-kicker. It'll be hard for teams to find matching salary to make a trade work, not to mention Aldridge is a shell of his former shelf so they probably wouldn't trade for him if they could.

Spurs should absolutely keep their pick. There's still a decent chance that that ends up being a lottery pick. They have a good track record of finding starters with late firsts, so there's always the chance that they could find a star, even in the late lottery.

[tbdog]

A lot of those players are in their early to mid 20's and are either good 3pt shooters and/ or good defenders. DeRozan is none of those things. He seems to be undervalued by the league because he lacks those two skills and is very ball dominant. He could probably get 3 years, $75-$80 million but the Spurs are flush with guards/wings that can replace most of what he does with increased minutes and usage. I don't think he gets re-signed but could still cash out elsewhere.

It's crazy you think his value is only 80 mil over 3.

[talkspurs]

Griffin is making LMA look spry these days. Any deal involving Griffin would be a hard "NO".

You dont trade for griffin for Griffin. You trade him for the asset(s) attached.

[XDT76]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30906202/blake-griffin-sit-detroit-pistons-weigh-trade-buyout-options-former-all-star?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true

Griffin is on his way out.

Six-time All-Star forward Blake Griffin and the Detroit Pistons have agreed that he will be out of the lineup until the franchise and his representatives work through a resolution on his playing future, Pistons general manager Troy Weaver told ESPN.

The Pistons will continue to pursue trade scenarios involving Griffin and talks on a contract buyout with his agent Sam Goldfeder of Excel Sports could eventually come into focus.

The Pistons are moving toward a rebuild under Weaver, and this gives the franchise a chance to play younger players as Griffin moves toward finding a role on a contending team.

"After extensive conversation with Blake's representatives, it has been determined that we will begin working to facilitate a resolution regarding his future with the team that maximizes the interests of both parties," Weaver told ESPN on Monday. "We respect all the effort Blake has put forth in Detroit and his career and will work to achieve a positive outcome for all involved."

In a statement, Griffin told ESPN: "I am grateful to the Pistons for understanding what I want to accomplish in my career and for working together on the best path forward."

Finding a trade for Griffin -- who's owed a remaining $36.6 million this season, and $39 million in 2021-2022 -- will be a challenge, but the team will continue to seek a deal until the March 25th trade deadline, sources said.

Detroit's entered a full-fledged rebuild under the first-year GM, Weaver, and the opportunity to play the franchise's younger players -- including rookie forward Saddiq Bey -- are taking precedent now.

Injuries have dramatically altered Griffin's game, eliminating the high-flying rim attacks that marked his All-Star career. He's averaging 12.3 points, 5.2 rebounds and 3.9 assists for Detroit this season. Griffin had solid back-to-back performances on Thursday and Friday, including 12 points, six assists and four rebounds in a road victory over the Boston Celtics.

Griffin was traded less than a season into a five-year, $171 million max deal with the LA Clippers, arriving in Detroit in late January of 2018.


Looking at Griffin's stats we have a super bargain on Dejounte.

[exstatic]

You dont trade for griffin for Griffin. You trade him for the asset(s) attached.

We’ve kind of covered this. Detroit’s cupboard is bare, no trade-able firsts for like 6 years. I don’t like their chances of getting out of his deal.

[Seventyniner]

While DDR still hasn't caught up to the three-happy trend, he is getting to the line a ton and is having a great season on offense. He will command big money in free agency imo.

[GAustex]

Let him get it somewhere else

[duncan2k5]

Let him get it somewhere else
Agreed...the fact that we play better the less he plays (same with Toronto) should tell ppl all they need to know

[k830713]

How about such an exchange ??
Spurs: Griffin, Bey, Pick 1rnd21 Bos, Pick 1rnd22 Det, (Maybe something more)
Celtics : Aldridge, Mills, Ellington, Mykhailiuk
Pistons: Walker, Lyles

[k830713]

Ostrogi: Murray, White, Jones DeRozan, Walker, Vassell Johnson, Bey, Gay, Griffin, Samanić Poeltl, Eubanks,
Celtics: Teague, Mills, Pritchard Brown, Smart, Ellington (Langford) Tatum, Mykhailiuk, Nesmith Aldridge, Ojeleje, G. Williams Theis, Thompson, R. Williams
Pistons Walker, Smith Jr Hayes, Wright, McGruder Jackson, Doumbouya, Sirvydis Grant, Lyles Plumlee, Okafor Stewart

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

How about such an exchange ??
Spurs: Griffin, Bey, Pick 1rnd21 Bos, Pick 1rnd22 Det, (Maybe something more)
Celtics : Aldridge, Mills, Ellington, Mykhailiuk
Pistons: Walker, Lyles

Pistons can't trade picks for a number of years because of the crazy protections they put on the 1st they owe Houston, so no need to bother with these scenarios. No one is touching Griffin's contract, unless it's for a similarly terrible one ( think Kevin Love, Westbrook, John Wall ).

[cd021]

We’ve kind of covered this. Detroit’s cupboard is bare, no trade-able firsts for like 6 years. I don’t like their chances of getting out of his deal.
They'd probably be better off waiving him at this point, and taking the hit. They're likely going to be picking in the top 5 with other prospects like Sekou , Hayes, and Bey already on the roster and Grant too. Could be worse but certainly could be better.

[cd021]

Sacramento has lost 3 straight, and the rest of February and beginning of March won't be easy. They need to decide if they are trading Hield or Barnes before they extend Bagley into that 20 mill+ salary slot. Barnes has one year left, Hield has 3 remaining. LMA's contract can be used as a third team to get future assets or facilitate for a player that could help the Spurs now. Sacramento gets payroll off their books. But, it depends on if they nose dive toward the start of March.


I've been wondering about Barnes and Bjelica in a deal involving Aldridge, if their looking to clear up their books and provide the Spurs with depth at the four but that would probably require Spurs giving up an asset.

[Dex]

Griffin is making LMA look spry these days. Any deal involving Griffin would be a hard "NO".

Straight up.

Apparently in t:loldays NBA, washed up players can demand trades based on name alone. Griffin is barely a mid-tier player anymore.

[mo7888]

I've been wondering about Barnes and Bjelica in a deal involving Aldridge, if their looking to clear up their books and provide the Spurs with depth at the four but that would probably require Spurs giving up an asset.

A deal centered around Barnes and Woodard for LMA make sense for both teams really.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Straight up.

Apparently in t:loldays NBA, washed up players can demand trades based on name alone. Griffin is barely a mid-tier player anymore.

This is more about the Pistons moving on from Griffin. It would be very awkward to have Griffin staying with the team as an end-if-the-bench player. Really does seem like what’s best for both sides.

[rankingtear]

A deal centered around Barnes and Woodard for LMA make sense for both teams really.

They can probably trade Barnes and get an asset back. BOS is interested.