**OFFICIAL 2021 Offseason/Draft Thread**

[spurraider21]

Real season starts today boys :hat

[Millennial_Messiah]

I don't take any credit away from the Bucs D. But the Chiefs O was pretty anemic. Maybe if Williams hadn't taken the year off...

:lmao implying little scatback Damien Williams, mr. come up short on 3rd and 1, would have made a difference. :rollin

[BD24]

Where does everyone think Wentz ends up? Indy seems to make the most sense, I’m not sure they pony up what is needed though.

apparently they didn’t even offer up a first for stafford

[Robz4000]

Where does everyone think Wentz ends up? Indy seems to make the most sense, I’m not sure they pony up what is needed though.

apparently they didn’t even offer up a first for stafford


Wouldn't shock me if Philly doubles down on Wentz and trades Hurts since his trade value is higher right now. I can't see anyone bailing Philly out with a high pick considering Wentz's horrible contract.

[BD24]

Wouldn't shock me if Philly doubles down on Wentz and trades Hurts since his trade value is higher right now. I can't see anyone bailing Philly out with a high pick considering Wentz's horrible contract.
They said a few days ago they are actively looking to trade him. Apparently have been close to getting a deal done.

a lot of qb needy teams. Imagine one of them gives more than they should for wentz

[Millennial_Messiah]

They said a few days ago they are actively looking to trade him. Apparently have been close to getting a deal done.

a lot of qb needy teams. Imagine one of them gives more than they should for wentz

Another logical choice would be Bears because they have DeFilippo and also the Eagles can get Foles and maybe a 2nd back.

[monosylab1k]

Belichick should draft all wide receivers and pray that one of them pans out. If he whiffs on all 7 or whatever then just retire.

[Will Hunting]

Belichick should draft all wide receivers and pray that one of them pans out. If he whiffs on all 7 or whatever then just retire.
I hope he trades out of the first round and then uses all his 2nd round picks on corners and safeties who will be out of the NFL in 5 yrs.

[BD24]

Another logical choice would be Bears because they have DeFilippo and also the Eagles can get Foles and maybe a 2nd back.
This would be a fucking awful trade for the Eagles :lol

you aren’t trading wentz without getting a first back. You have some of the most routinely retarded takes on the NFL forum Andy. And why the fuck would they want foles? He was so bad the bears decided fucking Mitch was a better option

[Ghazi]

My Niners could use a QB

[Millennial_Messiah]

This would be a fucking awful trade for the Eagles :lol

you aren’t trading wentz without getting a first back. You have some of the most routinely retarded takes on the NFL forum Andy. And why the fuck would they want foles? He was so bad the bears decided fucking Mitch was a better option
How is fucking Wentz (worse than 2019 Jameis Winston last year) worth a first round pick? Seriously. :lol He's definitely not in the Stafford tier.

[Millennial_Messiah]

My Niners could use a QB

I think they'll get Prescott or Rodgers.

[Will Hunting]

My Niners could use a QB
Well take the wop sensation back in NE.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Well take the wop sensation back in NE.

He is a good system QB after all. Though he does make random gaffes.

[FrostKing]

I think they'll get Prescott or Rodgers.
I think we draft QB and he sits under Jimmy for 2021

[FrostKing]

""I never realized just how many holes the Chiefs have to fill next season and with very little cap space. They will need an overhaul of the Oline, Fisher not due back until atleast November, They may cut him to free up some cap space. Schwartz back issues are a problem, it's been 4 months and doesn't seem to be getting better. 3 of their other Olinemen are free agents. They need a #2 WR. Watkins is a free agent. Robinson and Hardman are not that good. They need another Edge rusher. Their Linebackers aren't that good. Breeland their #1 CB is a free agent. All this and the aura of them being unbeatable are gone makes me feel alot different about them going into next season. And how many times has a team made it to three consecutive SB's? History is not on their side."

Yikes. Have a seat for a few years.

[BD24]

I think they'll get Prescott or Rodgers.
Lol no to both. Especially Rodgers. No way the packers are trading him. They have already said as much. And jerruh is gonna give Dak a big fat contract and your gonna like it

[BD24]

How is fucking Wentz (worse than 2019 Jameis Winston last year) worth a first round pick? Seriously. :lol He's definitely not in the Stafford tier.
People aren’t just looking at 1 year. He was good before and was running for his life all year. Someone will think if they can get him behind a good o line he can return to form. He is young as well, plenty of time to recover/salvage his career.

If wentz gets traded a First will be involved. Whether current year first or future 1st. I’ll NFL forum ele bet you on that shit. We can just make it for next year, forever not being able to post in nfl forum would be detrimental to your health. I assume you are going to pussy out on this though o

[monosylab1k]

I hope he trades out of the first round and then uses all his 2nd round picks on corners and safeties who will be out of the NFL in 5 yrs.

Blowing a 2nd rounder on a former lacrosse player from Rutgers is always in play tbh

[Will Hunting]

Blowing a 2nd rounder on a former lacrosse player from Rutgers is always in play tbh
What’s Guinea Greg Schiano doing these days? If he’s coaching a college team, Belichick will spend half his draft picks on players from that school.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Ballard isn't going to give up multiple 1sts for Wentz when his contract is dogshit, he has character concerns, and he's coming off a terrible season.

Eagles should have to attach a pick to take on Wentz contract.

[BD24]

Ballard isn't going to give up multiple 1sts for Wentz when his contract is dogshit, he has character concerns, and he's coming off a terrible season.

Eagles should have to attach a pick to take on Wentz contract.
Correct about multiple 1st. Gonna have to give up at least 1 first though tbh. Would be better off getting the future first than current. Something like a future 1st and current 3rd or 4th should get the job done

[GAustex]

JJ Watt would look good in green and gold
Does he got anything left?

[BD24]

Would be amazing to land watt. Grew up in Wisconsin. For a cheap enough deal on a contender he’s well worth it.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Would be amazing to land watt. Grew up in Wisconsin. For a cheap enough deal on a contender he’s well worth it.

I think Pittsburgh has to be the favorite though even though they grew up in SW Milwaukee metro.

[Millennial_Messiah]

People aren’t just looking at 1 year. He was good before and was running for his life all year. Someone will think if they can get him behind a good o line he can return to form. He is young as well, plenty of time to recover/salvage his career.

If wentz gets traded a First will be involved. Whether current year first or future 1st. I’ll NFL forum ele bet you on that shit. We can just make it for next year, forever not being able to post in nfl forum would be detrimental to your health. I assume you are going to pussy out on this though o

Yeah but great QBs transcend mediocre or worse O-lines, average QBs can look great behind great O-lines. Dak looked great when the Cowboys o-line peaked, Wentz looked fantastic behind the historically great pass protecting O-Line of the 2017 Eagles, that rushed for 9 yards per carry in the Super Bowl against Belichick's vaunted rush D and didn't give up any sacks or pressures -- while protecting a pocket statue QB in Foles -- aka, historically great pass protection.

Most of the time you're not going to have 4 pro bowlers on the o-line like the Eagles that year. Either you get a medium priced QB and invest in a great OL or you get a transcendent QB like Mahomes/Brady/Wilson who can do great things despite a bad O-Line.

Though the Bucs D-Line shredding the Chiefs O-Line has changed that theory quite a bit of QB vs. O-Line priority. Especially when you consider, say, the 2017 Eagles Super Bowl run.

[BD24]

Just as an FYI your on ignore Andy. I’ve grown tired of sifting through your nonsense. This will be the be the one time I let you know

[spurraider21]

Just as an FYI your on ignore Andy. I’ve grown tired of sifting through your nonsense. This will be the be the one time I let you know
seconded

[Silver&Black]

J.J. Watt to Tampa on a minimum contract? I'll allow it.

[FrostKing]

Blew my mind JJ is only 31 yrs old. Would have guessed atleast 3 years older

[Millennial_Messiah]

Improbable that Watt doesn't sign with the Steelers at this point.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao implying little scatback Damien Williams, mr. come up short on 3rd and 1, would have made a difference. :rollin

He was HUGE in the previous Super Bowl.

Good try, bud.

[Spurtacular]

Cousins on the last year of his contract. Vikings need a franchise QB / backup QB.

[leemajors]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30923798/sources-philadelphia-eagles-trade-qb-carson-wentz-indianapolis-colts-two-draft-picks


The Philadelphia Eagles have agreed to trade star quarterback Carson Wentz to the Indianapolis Colts for a 2021 third-round draft pick and a conditional 2022 second-round pick that could turn into a first-rounder, league sources tell ESPN.

The Eagles will receive the 85th overall pick in this year's draft, and the conditional second-rounder can become a first-round pick based on Wentz's playing time, according to sources. Wentz needs to play at least 75% of the Colts' offensive snaps for the 2022 conditional pick to convey to a first-rounder, according to sources.

The pick also could become a first-rounder if Wentz plays at least 70% of the snaps and the Colts reach the playoffs. But the worst the 2022 pick can be is a second-rounder, meaning the Eagles are assured of netting two value picks for the former No. 2 overall selection in the 2016 draft.

[MultiTroll]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30923798/sources-philadelphia-eagles-trade-qb-carson-wentz-indianapolis-colts-two-draft-picks
Wth does Indy think, he's going to have some resurgence?

[MultiTroll]

Jets are considering Watson? Or is this just sports writer filling in space.

Lets see, you could have tanked for Longhair and given up nothing.....or you can give the Texans a shitload and have Watsons 40 million a year contract thus gutting any legit rebuild for years to come.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Wth does Indy think, he's going to have some resurgence?

His best days of football came when Frank Reich (Indy HC now) was the OC of the Eagles, and his performance substantially dropped after Reich went to Indy... ya think?

[Silver&Black]

Meanwhile....at Cum's Training Camp:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybl1Y_BNot0

[i'm_still_beta]

Meanwhile....at Cum's Training Camp:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybl1Y_BNot0

Not the biggest Cam fan, but that was disrespectful. Cam was MVP and solid, good qb for the most part of his career. He organized camp and this is gratitude he's got?

[Chinook]

Anyone looking at this Hensley/Judon shit?

https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2021/2/24/22299324/ravens-linebacker-matt-judon-demands-apology-or-threatens-to-leak-photos

Like, if Hensley were actually cheating on his wife (and no, Judon is clearly joking about that whole thing), then Hensley is the dude in the wrong. It's crazy that folks are only talking about this in terms of potential blackmail (which again, it's not). If Hensley were really going around strip clubs partying with NFL players and cheating on his wife, then he's not the victim.

[Chinook]

Also (and maybe someone like spurraider21 could speak better to this), but this wouldn't be libel, since it's obviously absurd. "Defamatory" statements that are obviously false and hyperbolic aren't supposed to fall under libel laws. So Hensley trying to threaten legal action probably wouldn't work, though I guess just the risk of a court battle will be enough of a deterrent for this to keep going.

[spurraider21]

JJ Watt to AZ

[GAustex]

Fuck Watt for turning down the Green and Gold. WTF Arizona????

[SpursforSix]

Fuck Watt for turning down the Green and Gold. WTF Arizona????

Rumor in Houston was that he and Hopkins had a sexual relationship which is why management got rid of DHop.
Watt moving to Arizona confirms it.

[GAustex]

Dafuq

[Millennial_Messiah]

Rumor in Houston was that he and Hopkins had a sexual relationship which is why management got rid of DHop.
Watt moving to Arizona confirms it.

Watt is a 6'6" 300 power bottom for the BBC :wow

[BD24]

Rumor in Houston was that he and Hopkins had a sexual relationship which is why management got rid of DHop.
Watt moving to Arizona confirms it.
:lol

[spurraider21]

:lol mayock

raiders have gutten his entire 2019 free agent class (his first one).

tyrell williams - cut
lamarcus joyner - cut
trent brown - traded

they also cut gabe jackson. will likely cut mariota if they cant find a team willing to throw a late pick for him. once mariota is moved, that would put them about 45 mil under the cap, but will have a number of holes on the OL as well as the disaster which has been their defense

[spurraider21]

a lot of players getting tagged

[BD24]

Thankful too see the packers didn’t tag Jones. That would have been unfortunate.

will be happy to see him get paid....elsewhere

[Silver&Black]

Godwin tagged.
David extended.

:lol We Staaaaaaaaaaacked

[leemajors]

1362568547914899460

[BD24]

I feel for Allen Robinson. Stuck on a mediocre team he doesn’t want to play for with a bad quarterback for another year. Another year of his prime at that. On the other hand...the guy is making 18 million dollars sooo

[spurraider21]

I feel for Allen Robinson. Stuck on a mediocre team he doesn’t want to play for with a bad quarterback for another year. Another year of his prime at that. On the other hand...the guy is making 18 million dollars sooo
he chose to sign with them in the first place when they didnt have a good qb because they offered him the most money. he made that choice.

not to say he shouldnt ask for a trade if he wants to, but he is largely responsible for his position

[SpursforSix]

I feel for Allen Robinson. Stuck on a mediocre team he doesn’t want to play for with a bad quarterback for another year. Another year of his prime at that. On the other hand...the guy is making 18 million dollars sooo

It's why I can't feel sorry for him. Ton's of great WR get stuck on mediocre teams. Look at Julio. Probably never win a Super Bowel at this point. But at the end of the day, all they can do is produce and get paid. Not a terrible life.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I feel for Allen Robinson. Stuck on a mediocre team he doesn’t want to play for with a bad quarterback for another year. Another year of his prime at that. On the other hand...the guy is making 18 million dollars sooo

If the Bears get Russ then no more feeling bad for him... and Rodgers suddenly becomes the second best QB in the division and the Packers become the favorites for ... the #5 seed in the NFC.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Godwin tagged.
David extended.

:lol We Staaaaaaaaaaacked
What about Shaq Barrett? He's as essential of a cog as it gets. Without him Mahomes escapes the side door and does vintage Mahomes stuff and the Super Bowl is a nail biter instead of a laugher. Hell, without Barrett, they probably lose to Rodgers.

[Spurtacular]

Anyone as high on Zach Wilson as Chris Simms is high on him?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQKEuy_xAT4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DehSKBJUsLk

[lefty20]

Pace needs to stop dicking around and just bend over already so Seattle can do it's business and send Ciara over to us.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Pace needs to stop dicking around and just bend over already so Seattle can do it's business and send Ciara over to us.

Wilson and that defense would be insane.

Packers likely have nowhere to go but down - they just spent $12.5M/year on a running back, yeah Aaron Jones has looked good but that's because of the o-line, and he's also had ball security issues. Too much for a running back.

[Millennial_Messiah]

If the Packers overpaid Aaron Jones just only to lose the primary reason why he looked so good over his rookie contract (Center Corey Linsley) in free agency - then that's bad football business practice.

[spurraider21]

big day

[Millennial_Messiah]

Shaq Barrett back to Bucs on long term extension, should keep them the favorites in the NFC at least. I don't know why the Broncos didn't value him when they had him. I could tell he was elite in 2015. Just never got enough snaps.

[Silver&Black]

https://y.yarn.co/a253cacb-72e5-485b-af8d-e14a4fce2e8e_text.gif

[Millennial_Messiah]

https://y.yarn.co/a253cacb-72e5-485b-af8d-e14a4fce2e8e_text.gif
What......? Is . This??

https://nypost.com/2021/03/15/rob-gronkowski-threatens-to-walk-away-from-bucs-tom-brady-in-nfl-free-agency/


(https://nypost.com/2021/03/15/rob-gronkowski-threatens-to-walk-away-from-bucs-tom-brady-in-nfl-free-agency/)??
Dude had the most Robert Horry-esque season an NFL player will ever have this past year.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Also, AB and Fournette are both free agents. Bucs still have a problem

[spurraider21]

raiders landed yannick :tu

big need obviously, but want to see the numbers. i worry he's gonna be an overpay

update: his contract is only 2/26. well done

[Silver&Black]

Bucs still have a problem

Are you dumb AF? Or high? A "Problem"?

Bruh....million RBs in the league can do what Fournette does. If AB leaves....plug in the next guy. Neither one of them make or break the Buccaneers success chances. Not talking shit about either one because they're both good players. However; if you think either one of them leaving is a "problem" I don't know what to tell ya.

Bucs fucking stacked cuz. Plain and Simple. I'm more worried about Suh than those two.

[Millennial_Messiah]

raiders landed yannick :tu

big need obviously, but want to see the numbers. i worry he's gonna be an overpay

update: his contract is only 2/26. well done

Agreed, well done, 13 million for a starting DE who can get double digit sacks in a starter role isn't bad at all. And no long term commitment in case he goes crazy again.

Meanwhile, Bill Belichick has apparently gone Joe Biden-level senile. 13 million a year for Nelson Agholor? :lol 11 million a year for Jalen Mills? :lmao


Eagles : 2
Cheatriots : 0

[Millennial_Messiah]

Are you dumb AF? Or high? A "Problem"?

Bruh....million RBs in the league can do what Fournette does. If AB leaves....plug in the next guy. Neither one of them make or break the Buccaneers success chances. Not talking shit about either one because they're both good players. However; if you think either one of them leaving is a "problem" I don't know what to tell ya.

Bucs fucking stacked cuz. Plain and Simple. I'm more worried about Suh than those two.

Suh is 34 and has a fuckton of money. If he doesn't want to take a veteran paycut to be a part of a stacked DL and run it back for a championship then he's a dumbass who doesn't deserve to be in Tampa anyway. He wouldn't be nearly as good if he gets overpaid by a team with a bad DL and doesn't get the favorable looks from enemy O-lines he gets standing next to Vita Vea and JPP/Barrett.

Fournette, like him or not, he's the best back on the Bucs and the playoffs proved it. Ronald Jones was ineffective when it mattered. He's a boom or bust back, but, Fournette was the consistent one and made the big plays in the biggest games of the year. I don't think "millions of RBs" could do that crazy spin move TD against the Packers which might have been the difference in the game. But yeah, all isn't lost if they lose him, who knows, with RBs today the Bucs could possibly draft his replacement in the 3rd round or so which might be sufficient.

Antonio Brown is still a savvy ass vet receiver and a great weapon on third downs and the like. Yes, the Bucs still have the core of Evans, Godwin (for this year), and Miller, but looks like Mickens might be lost due to his recent felony charge. Brown is an underrated piece. Yes Brady makes mediocre WRs look better but Brown showed up when it mattered. Glad they got Gronk back after all, but 10mill? A little rich for a guy his age who is realisticall the 2nd TE behind Brate, especially in the regular season with Brate's younger legs.

Bucs will likely look to draft heavy at OL and in the secondary, and pick another back and receiver later in the draft. If they can't keep Suh then perhaps they can keep Steve McLendon instead - who is also old and should be cheap.

Ryan Succop is also a Free Agent by the way, and underrated but important that the Bucs keep him after 15 years of terrible FG kicking they finally have a good one. They must not let him go.

[monosylab1k]

Hunter Henry to the Pats. Between him and Jonnu, we might have 16 games with a healthy elite tight end!

[Millennial_Messiah]

Hunter Henry to the Pats. Between him and Jonnu, we might have 16 games with a healthy elite tight end!
Senile Belichick thinks he's getting prime Gronk-Hernandez again but he's really just getting a very low rent version of that dynamic duo. Well, on the bright side, at least Newton is at his best when he's throwing to bigger receiving targets (big WRs and TEs as opposed to the smaller guys - remember the days of Benjamin/Funchess/LaFell/Olsen etc when Newton was at his best in Carolina, versus later on when the Panthers went with smaller targets).

[spurraider21]

Hunter Henry to the Pats. Between him and Jonnu, we might have 16 games with a healthy elite tight end!
i like the Henry/Jonnu combo, and patriots spending big while they have a rookie QB under contract for 4-5 years makes a ton of sense. i dont understand why they are committing 20m/year to the agholor/bourne combo though

[monosylab1k]

i like the Henry/Jonnu combo, and patriots spending big while they have a rookie QB under contract for 4-5 years makes a ton of sense. i dont understand why they are committing 20m/year to the agholor/bourne combo though
Yeah the Agholor signing was the one big misfire yesterday. He’s at least a deep threat that the defense has to somewhat respect, which is unfortunately light years ahead of what they had last year.

I like Bourne, I could see him doing Amendola stuff for them, hopefully in the playoffs too.

[Millennial_Messiah]

i like the Henry/Jonnu combo, and patriots spending big while they have a rookie QB under contract for 4-5 years makes a ton of sense. i dont understand why they are committing 20m/year to the agholor/bourne combo though

Stidham? He's not even playing. Unless you're implying the Patriots draft one, if there's one available with their mid first round pick.

[spurraider21]

Yeah the Agholor signing was the one big misfire yesterday. He’s at least a deep threat that the defense has to somewhat respect, which is unfortunately light years ahead of what they had last year.

I like Bourne, I could see him doing Amendola stuff for them, hopefully in the playoffs too.
i have nothing but good things to say about what Agholor did for us last year... came in on a prove-it deal and became one of the better deep threats in the league. he also showed more chemistry with carr than any receiver other than crabtree. sucks to see him go, but yeah they were never going to pay that much for him (maybe 7-8 mil per year).

[spurraider21]

1371830992076439557

:tu extending him 1-2 months into his breakout season was one of gruden's few savvy moves. locked in thru the 2023 season too

[Millennial_Messiah]

1371830992076439557

:tu extending him 1-2 months into his breakout season was one of gruden's few savvy moves. locked in thru the 2023 season too

Gronk might have the legacy and Kelce the name and notoriety, but Waller is presently the most unstoppable receiving TE in the league

[spurraider21]

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Ignoring MM was one of the best decisions I've ever made. Even though I knew he was retarded, I'd find myself arguing with him and making counterpoints to every ridiculous post he made.
At this point, I bet I've saved at least half a day of my life to do more productive things.

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[Millennial_Messiah]

Linsley to the Chargers to become the highest-paid center in NFL history. Packers have now lost 2 Pro Bowl offensive linemen (Linsley and Bulaga) to the Chargers in as many offseasons.

Packers got much worse by bringing back Jones at a replaceable position and losing arguably the best center in the league, albeit Linsley was very expensive, but the Packers really needed to bring him back -- PFF ranked him #1 in 2020 at center for both pass protection and run blocking. Outside of Bakhtiari, who's health is questionable, the Packers offensive line is no longer a core strength.

If Wilson goes go to Chicago it would be fun as hell to see Rodgers-Wilson twice a year for at least a couple years but the Packers might consider moving on from Rodgers and re-building because Wilson + that gaudy Bears defense would be better than the Packers with Aaron Rodgers, good set of offensive skill players but a shaky defense and now-shaky offensive line.

[JulioJay]

Really like Bama RB Najee Harris, at 6-2 230 with 4.4 speed what is not to like? Not a fan of using first round picks on running backs but hard to pass this guy up.

[spurraider21]

i dont have an explanation for the raiders releasing rodney hudson

makes no sense on any level

[Millennial_Messiah]

i dont have an explanation for the raiders releasing rodney hudson

makes no sense on any level

32, and, part of the Gruden's OLine overhaul, Gabe Jackson also getting cut. But financially it would have made sense to keep Hudson another year, and he's still a top 3 run blocking center and top 10 in pass protection. He has had a few snapping issues.

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[lefty20]

Dalton... :pctoss


Pace must have black-mail material on the old lady, tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Dalton... :pctoss


Pace must have black-mail material on the old lady, tbh.
Dalton is the back up, don't worry

They can still trade three firsts to the Seahawks for Russ or whatever

[spurraider21]

i guess other teams want to tank too

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[Millennial_Messiah]

Cardinals now have AJ Green AND DeAndre Hopkins :wow AND Rodney Hudson. That offense. They still have Christian Kirk and Andy Isabella, too. AND JJ Watt. They must be favored to win the NFC West, right?

[DeadlyDynasty]

Bills sign Mitchell Trubiskey, NFL=fucked

[spurraider21]

raiders have made a couple of nice moves (Yannick Ngakoue, John Brown, Quinton Jefferson) and some god awful moves (jettisoning the OL, paying Kenyan fucking Drake)

[Millennial_Messiah]

Bills sign Mitchell Trubiskey, NFL=fucked

Actually a good backup. He really is the NFL's "poor man's Josh Allen". Same skillset and athleticism just about 8-10 points lower on all the non-physical QB attributes

[spurraider21]

got mariota to cut his pay from 10.5mil to 3.5. nice. frees up 7 mil in cap space, we retain a high end backup, and he becomes more tradeable

[Silver&Black]

Suh back too? Damn.....

I've never been the type of football fan that is confident in his team. It's due to the fact of being a Tampa Bay and Mississippi State fan for far too long. I've seen just about every way to lose over the past 30 years. But, boy am I singing a different tune about this years Buccaneers team. Them boys stacked. Give them a real offseason to gel even more....lights out on defense especially. You all playing for 2nd place. Insert Vince Carter "It's over" gif........

[Silver&Black]

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[Millennial_Messiah]

Suh back too? Damn.....

I've never the type of football fan that is confident in his team. It's due to the fact of being a Tampa Bay and Mississippi State fan for far too long. I've seen just about every way to lose over the past 30 years. But, boy am I singing a different tune about this years Buccaneers team. Them boys stacked. Give them a real offseason to gel even more....lights out on defense especially. You all playing for 2nd place. Insert Vince Carter "It's over" gif........

you worry about a 2011 Packers type scenario... where they come off the unlikely championship and dominate the league but it all falls apart when they have to play a playoff game.

[Silver&Black]

you worry about a 2011 Packers type scenario... where they come off the unlikely championship and dominate the league but it all falls apart when they have to play a playoff game.

Take that Buccaneers skin off. Fair-weather ass fans. Seen more Buccaneers gear in the past month that I have in the past 20 years. We know who you are......

[Millennial_Messiah]

Take that Buccaneers skin off. Fair-weather ass fans. Seen more Buccaneers gear in the past month that I have in the past 20 years. We know who you are......
Oh nah, I picked them to start the playoffs as my Cowboys were long gone since week 5. I'm very proud of them for taking down GB in GB. And I love Brady. Fuck Rodgers.

Though I admire you and I'll be the first one to vouch for you that you stuck with the Bucs throughout the Winston and Freeman eras of suckiness.

[BD24]

Haven’t posted in a hot minute. But quick thoughts on free agency.

1. what the fuck are the raiders doing? Releasing/trading pretty much their entire offensive line. Then signing another running back to a pretty good deal. Just baffling.

2. wtf are the packers doing? Resigning Jones to a huge rb deal after drafting Dillon in round 2 last year. Resigning Kevin King and the corpse of Mercedes Lewis with money saved from restructures. Excited to see how we fuck up the draft this year.

3. teams free agency that I have liked. Jets have actually had a really nice free agency along with Washington, Denver, chargers, and Arizona. Will be interested to see if Broncos trade up to move on from drew Locke

[spurraider21]

Bucs have brought back all 22 starters

[BD24]

Bucs have brought back all 22 starters
They are gonna regret bringing fournette back tbh. He got his contract. Now he is gonna be a lazy ass all off-season and come into the season out of shape per par.

would have been better off taking someone in the 3rd or 4th to compliment Jones. Someone like gainewell or Michael Carter would be ideal

[spurraider21]

Haven’t posted in a hot minute. But quick thoughts on free agency.

1. what the fuck are the raiders doing? Releasing/trading pretty much their entire offensive line. Then signing another running back to a pretty good deal. Just baffling.
great question tbh :lol

i have no idea what Gruden/Mayock are doing. they just seem to be improvising all the time. they're basically only replacing 2 OL members, though.

LT - Is and will be Kolton Miller
LG - they initially cut LG Richie Incognito, but they re-signed him to a cheaper deal
C - this one they actually moved on from. big question mark.
RG - they moved Gabe Jackson, but they re-signed Denzelle Good, who started almost all of last year at LG when Incognito was out, so this is still basically bringing back a starter
RT - they moved Trent Brown, but he only played like 4 games last year anyway

so really C is where they're going to feel it the most. they'll probably draft a RT in the first 2 rounds of the draft, given that they havent addressed it in FA. they've signed centers to replace hudson, but will be a huge drop

as for paying kenyan drake that much... unjustifiable. only silver lining is that our backfield is now Drake and Josh

they did make some nice moves.... getting Ngakoue to get us a legitimate pass rusher post-Mack was a slam dunk. and letting the Patriots overpay Agholor (11m per year) and replacing him with John Brown (3.5 mil) was a home run, too.

[BD24]

great question tbh :lol

i have no idea what Gruden/Mayock are doing. they just seem to be improvising all the time. they're basically only replacing 2 OL members, though.

LT - Is and will be Kolton Miller
LG - they initially cut LG Richie Incognito, but they re-signed him to a cheaper deal
C - this one they actually moved on from. big question mark.
RG - they moved Gabe Jackson, but they re-signed Denzelle Good, who started almost all of last year at LG when Incognito was out, so this is still basically bringing back a starter
RT - they moved Trent Brown, but he only played like 4 games last year anyway

so really C is where they're going to feel it the most. they'll probably draft a RT in the first 2 rounds of the draft, given that they havent addressed it in FA. they've signed centers to replace hudson, but will be a huge drop

as for paying kenyan drake that much... unjustifiable. only silver lining is that our backfield is now Drake and Josh
Even more bizarre is that drake and Jacob’s have very similar skill sets.

[spurraider21]

They are gonna regret bringing fournette back tbh. He got his contract. Now he is gonna be a lazy ass all off-season and come into the season out of shape per par.

would have been better off taking someone in the 3rd or 4th to compliment Jones. Someone like gainewell or Michael Carter would be ideal
think he's on a one year deal again, no?

i dont like fournette as a player much, but i dont think the contract is a big issue.

[spurraider21]

Even more bizarre is that drake and Jacob’s have very similar skill sets.
i think they have concerns about Jacobs' durability. he got banged up and missed games as a rookie, and also got banged up throughout the season last year, missed almost every practice, etc (only missed one game though)... so they're probably going to split touches. not 50/50, but maybe 66/33 or something. and in the event jacobs has to miss time or a few series, drake is still a legit lead back (unlike a pure backup grade runner like Deandre Washington or Devontae Booker)

i think there's a chance they cut Richard too. they're still in the hunt for a free agent FS and CB (and there are a few good ones left)

[spurraider21]

umm

niners getting a QB

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[spurraider21]

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[Millennial_Messiah]

Haven’t posted in a hot minute. But quick thoughts on free agency.

1. what the fuck are the raiders doing? Releasing/trading pretty much their entire offensive line. Then signing another running back to a pretty good deal. Just baffling.

2. wtf are the packers doing? Resigning Jones to a huge rb deal after drafting Dillon in round 2 last year. Resigning Kevin King and the corpse of Mercedes Lewis with money saved from restructures. Excited to see how we fuck up the draft this year.

3. teams free agency that I have liked. Jets have actually had a really nice free agency along with Washington, Denver, chargers, and Arizona. Will be interested to see if Broncos trade up to move on from drew Locke

The biggest problem for the Packers was losing Linsley in favor of Jones. Linsley has consistently been the PFF #1 center for 2-3 years running (since the Cowboys' Travis Frederick suffered that career ending nerve injury).

[Millennial_Messiah]

They are gonna regret bringing fournette back tbh. He got his contract. Now he is gonna be a lazy ass all off-season and come into the season out of shape per par.

would have been better off taking someone in the 3rd or 4th to compliment Jones. Someone like gainewell or Michael Carter would be ideal

1 year/3 million with potential for an extra million in incentives. It's not like they paid $13 million a year long term to keep a rotational running back.

Still think the Bucs need to draft or sign a scatback type, a guy that can pass pro and more importantly provide a safety valve for Brady to convert those valuable third-and-mediums, but not do what the Chiefs did and take one with a 1st or 2nd round pick.

[Millennial_Messiah]

umm

niners getting a QB

1375493884323708931


1375496319352066050

W-O-W

And the Dolphins were extremely lucky Tunsil fell to them in 2016 after posting a tweet of him smoking a bong. Tunsil has been an okay tackle, but nothing special.

[spurraider21]

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Simply The GOAT.

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Only pussies & assholes use the ignore-user feature on an internet message board.

[spurraider21]

why does this fuckface keep replying and mentioning me in his posts when he knows i ignore him :lol

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjnSvjTKSB0

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjnSvjTKSB0
reminds me of Favre, honestly

not quite the cannon Favre had, but thats a ridiculous bar

[spurraider21]

just lol. the most fun highlight reel to watch of any qb, including mahomes. Wilson has a lot of this in him, too

1141128954989797376

[Spurtacular]

reminds me of Favre, honestly

not quite the cannon Favre had, but thats a ridiculous bar


just lol. the most fun highlight reel to watch of any qb, including mahomes. Wilson has a lot of this in him, too

1141128954989797376

Word is he's as cocky and immature as Favre. Though, nothing is substantiated on that front.
Somewhat similar entitlement growing up it appears though.

That video does remind me of Wilson's kind of throws.

Wilson may be closer to Rodgers rushing; at least that's what it appears on paper.

[BD24]

think he's on a one year deal again, no?

i dont like fournette as a player much, but i dont think the contract is a big issue.
Yea. It’s just a 1 year deal. I just meant more they could have drafted a rb late that was a true compliment to jones. Instead they are bringing back this guy who was awful 90% of the year and happened to have some decent games late

[BD24]

reminds me of Favre, honestly

not quite the cannon Favre had, but thats a ridiculous bar
Trey Lance has a fucking cannon...strongest arm in the draft.

I personally rank the top 4 qbs in the class as follows

Lawrence
Fields
Lance (I think Lance has more upside than fields, but fields is safer to be at least decent)
Wilson

[Spurtacular]

Trey Lance has a fucking cannon...strongest arm in the draft.

I personally rank the top 4 qbs in the class as follows

Lawrence
Fields
Lance (I think Lance has more upside than fields, but fields is safer to be at least decent)
Wilson

Hot garbage.

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgKIhbdSf9o&ab_channel=AlexRollinsNFL

[BD24]

Hot garbage.
The white supremacist doesn’t like the black qb. Shocked.

[Robz4000]

The white supremacist doesn’t like the black qb. Shocked.

Eh, I don't like him either, but it's because Ohio State QBs have a poor track record. FWIW I'm not high on any QB outside Lawrence.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Eh, I don't like him either, but it's because Ohio State QBs have a poor track record. FWIW I'm not high on any QB outside Lawrence.

Agreed. Nothing to do with race. Same way I feel about Alabama QBs who usually tend to be white. Jake Coker, the guy before him. System and world-class o-line recruits makes them look way better than they are. Smaller programs like Texas Tech don't have the o-line to make a guy like Mahomes look like the generational QB he was coming out of college. Mac Jones might be a serviceable backup in the NFL, nothing more.

Fields is Dwayne Trashkins 2.0, and I had him pegged perfectly as a bust before he was drafted in '19. For the record I wasn't high on any of the '19 QBs, even Murray who I thought was probably a Lamar Jackson V2.0. I think teams are starting to get the hang of it -- latest mocks have Fields going as high as 15-ish but as low as the third round.

[Spurtacular]

The white supremacist doesn’t like the black qb. Shocked.

The convenient schtick. Shocked.

[Spurtacular]

Eh, I don't like him either, but it's because Ohio State QBs have a poor track record. FWIW I'm not high on any QB outside Lawrence.

One of my reasons; we've definitely seen this movie before. But fuck face went straight to the butthurt schtick like the shitty poster he is.

And it's not like it's a secret. The analysts be talking about all the stuff he can't do. That's not the kind of talk that accompanies a top 5 QB in the draft.
Fuck face doesn't realize they made this dude a token.

[BD24]

Eh, I don't like him either, but it's because Ohio State QBs have a poor track record. FWIW I'm not high on any QB outside Lawrence.
I understand the Ohio state narrative, but he is far and away more talented than any of those other guys to come out of OSU.

But, we will be able to revisit this in a year or two and see who was right I suppose

[Spurtacular]

I understand the Ohio state narrative, but he is far and away more talented than any of those other guys to come out of OSU.

But, we will be able to revisit this in a year or two and see who was right I suppose

How is he far and away more talented?

[BD24]

How is he far and away more talented?
He’s much better from a pure passing stand point than any of the other qbs that have been in Ohio states system.

haskins
troy smith
barrett
etc

None of them were as good or accurate passers in college. Fields is. Fields also seems to sport a better football iq than any of them as well. These are things that I think are fairly obvious when watching them play. Obviously no guarantee he is a great pro, a lot of great college qbs have failed at the next level. But, he has more pro tools than any of the previously mentioned

[Spurtacular]

He’s much better from a pure passing stand point than any of the other qbs that have been in Ohio states system.

haskins
troy smith
barrett
etc

None of them were as good or accurate passers in college. Fields is. Fields also seems to sport a better football iq than any of them as well. These are things that I think are fairly obvious when watching them play. Obviously no guarantee he is a great pro, a lot of great college qbs have failed at the next level. But, he has more pro tools than any of the previously mentioned

The others were unduly hyped more than they should have been. I keep hearing about the things Fields doesn't do and that leads me to believe they're making sure they get the token black guy in the mix (yes, I know that outlook hurts your feelings). The option read QB has been more successful in recent years in the NFL than in the past; but it's still not ideal.

CBS Sports has Justin Fields ranked 7th in QBs. I think that's probably about right.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/quarterbacks/

[BD24]

The others were unduly hyped more than they should have been. I keep hearing about the things Fields doesn't do and that leads me to believe they're making sure they get the token black guy in the mix (yes, I know that outlook hurts your feelings). The option read QB has been more successful in recent years in the NFL than in the past; but it's still not ideal.

CBS Sports has Justin Fields ranked 7th in QBs. I think that's probably about right.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/quarterbacks/
They have him ranked 3rd among qbs dumb ass.

His overall rank is 7. And many other places have him as the #2 qb. Lawrence is #1 qb and there really isn’t a consensus on who is #2 between Wilson, fields, and Lance. They are all 4 going to go top 10 though. You can take that to the bank

[Spurtacular]

They have him ranked 3rd among qbs dumb ass.

His overall rank is 7. And many other places have him as the #2 qb. Lawrence is #1 qb and there really isn’t a consensus on who is #2 between Wilson, fields, and Lance. They are all 4 going to go top 10 though. You can take that to the bank

Any GM that uses a top ten pick on Fields should be fired on the spot.

[BD24]

Any GM that uses a top ten pick on Fields should be fired on the spot.
Yea, because the guy who thinks Jimmer is nba level talent is an excellent evaluator of talent

[spurraider21]

:lmao

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[Spurtacular]

Yea, because the guy who thinks Jimmer is nba level talent is an excellent evaluator of talent

Fields had a great OL and WRs and still doesn't make the reads. He'll be a bust.

The only disclaimer I'll put on this is that I've spent virtually no time scouting him.

I just know how it goes.

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_8V7mPg5F0

[Millennial_Messiah]

Fields had a great OL and WRs and still doesn't make the reads. He'll be a bust.

The only disclaimer I'll put on this is that I've spent virtually no time scouting him.

I just know how it goes.

OSU and Bama are the worst schools for QBs, best for everything else

[spurraider21]

Darnold traded to the Panthers for picks (future 2nd is the big one). good move for the Jets, better spot for Darnold (Moore/Anderson and CMC are much better weapons than he had with Jets). now Panthers will almost certainly draft OL in the first round

[Millennial_Messiah]

Darnold traded to the Panthers for picks (future 2nd is the big one). good move for the Jets, better spot for Darnold (Moore/Anderson and CMC are much better weapons than he had with Jets). now Panthers will almost certainly draft OL in the first round

Yikes. Fields was the best place for Carolina and their largely AA fanbase. I do like Sam Darnold but as a peak Alex Smith kind of QB. Arm strength will never be one of Darnold's strengths.

[Isitjustme?]

"Bill Belichick reportedly ignored scouts in drafting N’Keal Harry'

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/04/06/bill-belichick-reportedly-ignored-scouts-in-drafting-nkeal-harry/amp/

mono

[Millennial_Messiah]

"Bill Belichick reportedly ignored scouts in drafting N’Keal Harry'

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/04/06/bill-belichick-reportedly-ignored-scouts-in-drafting-nkeal-harry/amp/

mono (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=52488)
he drafted a kelvin benjamin clone that will be out of the league in a few years.

[BD24]

Darnold traded to the Panthers for picks (future 2nd is the big one). good move for the Jets, better spot for Darnold (Moore/Anderson and CMC are much better weapons than he had with Jets). now Panthers will almost certainly draft OL in the first round
Good moves for both teams honestly.

[Robz4000]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/170843440_4102560279840322_7990352594806312401_n.j pg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8024bb&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=dvaVi1lPZPEAX-rB6aT&tn=Cgww2M4XGu3Qgkjq&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&tp=14&oh=0732cde9dfa2e60a3935d49b5601e0f6&oe=6094B902

Clipper Nation if you're still around

[spurraider21]

Clipper Nation (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=28500) if you're still around
:lmao forgot about CN and his shit takes

i dont think he's posted since daddy trump got his ass beat

[spurraider21]

Zach Wilson's highlights are insane, but watching more of his games/plays beyond the highlight reel, he's not that super accurate

[Spurtacular]

Zach Wilson's highlights are insane, but watching more of his games/plays beyond the highlight reel, he's not that super accurate

I like Zach Wilson based on raw potential more than anything else. Trevor Lawrence is probably the more NFL ready QB (for the right system).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt9Eb0cfEP0&ab_channel=TheRichEisenShow

[spurraider21]

lawrence is the best qb prospect since Luck

[spurraider21]

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[Spurtacular]

lawrence is the best qb prospect since Luck

Both beast moded in college. Disappointing that Luck didn't fully materialize in the pros.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Both beast moded in college. Disappointing that Luck didn't fully materialize in the pros.

He did but they waited too late to draft a decent offensive line.

[spurraider21]

Both beast moded in college. Disappointing that Luck didn't fully materialize in the pros.
his last 2 seasons were his 2 best, and the colts were finally stacked when he decided to hang em up. they then wasted a year with Brissett and the next season, Rivers was on his last legs. Luck with these Colts teams... with that OL, would have been a monster

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISb1XtQW7bM

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTq7yT3mtXA

[Robz4000]

Hopefully he's a Niner before the season starts.

[Spurtacular]

Betting on the draft. Good stuff.

https://sports.yahoo.com/its-time-to-bet-on-the-1st-round-of-the-nfl-draft-132114702.html

[spurraider21]

mock drafts seem futile this year, so i'm not putting in the time to make one.

just gonna spit out some thoughts... the Niners would be insane to have given up all that draft capital just to take Mac Jones. the smoke has been nonstop, but for whatever reason i'm refusing to believe they're actually going to pull that trigger

as for the raiders in round 1:

best case scenarios: a blue chipper like Micah Parsons falls. doesnt fill a huge need, but imo you grab that talent. i feel similarly about Christian Darrisaw at OT. i like him more than Slater tbh...

scenarios i'd be pleased with:

- i'd be pleasantly surprised (but not holding my breath) that they'll take an edge talent like Ojulari or Phillips in the first round. doesnt seem likely.
- if Darrisaw is gone and EDGE isn't in the plans, i think trading back makes the most sense
- if they insist on making a pick at 17, i'd like Teven Jenkins, Trevon Moehrig, or Alija Vera-Tucker

wildcard scenario: take a gamble on Caleb Farley w/ his health issues.

anything else, like taking a LB not named Parsons, or reaching for another one of the tackles like Cosmi/Leatherwood... would be bad.

[Robz4000]

Niners and Packers in talks for Aaron Rodgers :hungry:

[FrostKing]

Rodgers to Kittle

[Millennial_Messiah]

Second biggest day of the NFL season is tonight!

[Millennial_Messiah]

mock drafts seem futile this year, so i'm not putting in the time to make one.

just gonna spit out some thoughts... the Niners would be insane to have given up all that draft capital just to take Mac Jones. the smoke has been nonstop, but for whatever reason i'm refusing to believe they're actually going to pull that trigger

as for the raiders in round 1:

best case scenarios: a blue chipper like Micah Parsons falls. doesnt fill a huge need, but imo you grab that talent. i feel similarly about Christian Darrisaw at OT. i like him more than Slater tbh...

scenarios i'd be pleased with:

- i'd be pleasantly surprised (but not holding my breath) that they'll take an edge talent like Ojulari or Phillips in the first round. doesnt seem likely.
- if Darrisaw is gone and EDGE isn't in the plans, i think trading back makes the most sense
- if they insist on making a pick at 17, i'd like Teven Jenkins, Trevon Moehrig, or Alija Vera-Tucker

wildcard scenario: take a gamble on Caleb Farley w/ his health issues.

anything else, like taking a LB not named Parsons, or reaching for another one of the tackles like Cosmi/Leatherwood... would be bad.

The Raiders need to stop living in mediocrity and either make the playoffs and contend soon or else trade Carr and tank because hovering around .500 isn't going to get the team anywhere, especially when the team continues to lose in ridiculously stupid ways like the Ryan Fitzpatrick Dolphins loss

[Millennial_Messiah]

Niners and Packers in talks for Aaron Rodgers :hungry:

So you're saying there's a chance I'd actually root for Aaron Rodgers. Please make this happen. 15-2 tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Antonio Brown back to Bucs. All the Bucs' starters/players that take the field on game nights, all back for 2021. #RunItBack

[FrostKing]

49ers with Rodgers defeats Bucs

[spurraider21]

no chance packers would ever send Rodgers to the Niners. they'd want him out of the conference. i think Broncos are the best bet, imo

[spurraider21]

oh boy

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[Spurtacular]

Packers mgmt. doing it again. First Favre, now Rodgers.

[Robz4000]

oh boy

1387913931788734466

Fuck

[Robz4000]

I don't like any of the QBs outside Lawrence, but Mac Jones is the worst of them imo.

[Spurtacular]

Trade AR for the #2 pick and draft Zach Wilson, tbh.

[spurraider21]

I don't like any of the QBs outside Lawrence, but Mac Jones is the worst of them imo.
after you called Josh Allen... i'll give you benefit of the doubt on QB evals

i do like Fields though (or Lance on a team that can have him sit for a year and clean his mechanics)

[Robz4000]

after you called Josh Allen... i'll give you benefit of the doubt on QB evals

i do like Fields though (or Lance on a team that can have him sit for a year and clean his mechanics)

Trey Lance has a chance to be good, but he'll be extremely dependent on a strong system to grow in (wouldn't hate the Niners taking him since they obviously have one). Wilson, Fields, and Jones are hype products imo.

[spurraider21]

Trey Lance has a chance to be good, but he'll be extremely dependent on a strong system to grow in (wouldn't hate the Niners taking him since they obviously have one). Wilson, Fields, and Jones are hype products imo.
i like Lance to the Niners a lot. they can still be solid with Jimmy G for a year

[Robz4000]

Zero surprises there. AFC is gonna be a bloodbath with all these elite QBs in a few years.

[Robz4000]

O/U on how long Zach Wilson lasts on the Jets? I'm thinking two seasons.

[spurraider21]

O/U on how long Zach Wilson lasts on the Jets? I'm thinking two seasons.
niners OTC. good luck scrah. got the bottle ready?

[Robz4000]

niners OTC. good luck scrah. got the bottle ready?

I'm just gonna skip the bottle and move straight to the cliff tbh.

[spurraider21]

I'm just gonna skip the bottle and move straight to the cliff tbh.
damn. be careful not to join symple though. :depressed

[spurraider21]

Lance!

[Robz4000]

Thank fuck it wasn't Jones.

[spurraider21]

i knew that Mac Jones shit was BS. nobody is trading 3 first rounders for a guy they hope can maybe become Cousins or Bulger lmao

[spurraider21]

all those fuckhead pundits who bought the mac jones hype need to wear this as a badge of shame going forward

[Robz4000]

Not high on Trey Lance but he's got the highest potential of the QBs outside Lawrence. Don't think he was worth trading up for though.

[Benoit]

Drafting white QB's= death

[spurraider21]

Not high on Trey Lance but he's got the highest potential of the QBs outside Lawrence. Don't think he was worth trading up for though.
kyle shanahan will finally have a QB that has A+ tools, though. should be fun.

[Robz4000]

Pitts will be the best player from this draft not named Lawrence.

[spurraider21]

Pitts to ATL made a lot of sense. TE's that high dont typically work, but tbh Pitts is more of a WR who will have to learn how to block at an NFL level. or just play the big WR role

imo bengals should take Sewell, then Dolphins gladly take Chase.

[spurraider21]

Pitts will be the best player from this draft not named Lawrence.
think a viable strat would just be to say fuck the TE tag and have him play WR. he could be sterling sharpe

[Robz4000]

think a viable strat would just be to say fuck the TE tag and have him play WR. he could be sterling sharpe

Pretty much, though he has a high IQ; could see him being an all-around player.

[Robz4000]

damn. be careful not to join symple though. :depressed

RIP my boy symple19

[Robz4000]

RIP Burrow

[spurraider21]

RIP Burrow
dont like the move. like, i get the concept of getting your QB a legit #1. i get it. but first round WRs bust so often, whereas first round OTs tend to be the safest bets to pan out. and Sewell is a monster who is probably the best non-QB player in the draft. bad move tbh. they had just drafted Higgins last year, still have Boyd. could have taken a WR in a future round, but gotten themselves a cornerstone in Penei

but now dolphins probably feel dumb for pre-emptively moving back up to 6, as they probably thought one of Pitts/Chase would be there for them

[spurraider21]

so Burrow reunite with Chase, Tua reunites with Waddle... and fucking Sewell is still on the board at pick 7. wow.

[spurraider21]

dolphins gave up a first round pick to move from 12 to 6 to land Waddle. i dont like that value for them. the teams picking between 6 and 11 were not that WR needy

[Robz4000]

so Burrow reunite with Chase, Tua reunites with Waddle... and fucking Sewell is still on the board at pick 7. wow.

Sewell is gonna make some fanbase really happy tbh.

[spurraider21]

Sewell is gonna make some fanbase really happy tbh.
only thing i like about Sewell falling is that hopefully it snowballs into Darrisaw making it to 17

[Robz4000]

Welp, take it back. Sewell is gonna rot away in Detroit.

[Robz4000]

In b4 Cowboys take Mac Jones

[ducks]

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
·
6h
Update on a former first-round pick: Tim Tebow recently worked out for the #Jaguars, source said, and there has been at least some discussion of him signing. Oh, and he’s a tight end now.

[Robz4000]

Cowboys traded down with the Eagles of all teams.

[Robz4000]

DeVonta Smith to the Eagles

[Robz4000]

Bears get another bust QB.

[blizz]

Wow. Mac Jones to the Patriots?? Lucky MFers

[Robz4000]

:lol Welp, I guess if Mac Jones is gonna turn into anything he went to the best possible place

[Mark Celibate]

If I was a GM, I dont think I could ever draft a Bama QB. Even if they are legitimately the most talented QB in the draft, it's gotta be a tough transition to go from a place where you can just sling it all over the place knowing your receivers will make the play pretty much everytime to an NFL game where the windows are tighter and that advantage is gone

[Mark Celibate]

also rofl @ the Micah Parsons pick. Such a Dallas pick taking an athletic linebacker who's a dumb@ss and bringing him into an organization that enables the behavior. This will be another scenario where he has a few nice games right before it's time for a new contract, Jerruh opens up the wallet, and then he goes full ooga booga afterwards and either stops giving a sh!t or gets kicked off the team for doing something stupid.

[Robz4000]

spurraider21 how you like Leatherwood?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Pitts to ATL made a lot of sense. TE's that high dont typically work, but tbh Pitts is more of a WR who will have to learn how to block at an NFL level. or just play the big WR role

imo bengals should take Sewell, then Dolphins gladly take Chase.
makes sense because Julio is on the wrong side of 30

[Millennial_Messiah]

also rofl @ the Micah Parsons pick. Such a Dallas pick taking an athletic linebacker who's a dumb@ss and bringing him into an organization that enables the behavior. This will be another scenario where he has a few nice games right before it's time for a new contract, Jerruh opens up the wallet, and then he goes full ooga booga afterwards and either stops giving a sh!t or gets kicked off the team for doing something stupid.

I like the pick. He's the most talented defensive player in the draft, IMO 4th best player overall after Lawrence/Pitts/Sewell, and both corners were off the board. Oh, and we got a free third round pick from the Eagles.

Also great insurance for whenever Vander Esch gets injured again. And Sean Lee retired.

[Millennial_Messiah]

yeah, I would have preferred a corner, but there wasn't one there, so we traded down and picked BPA at a position of need on defense. Farley shouldn't have been picked in the first round; he's going to have a short career, people don't recover from two double back surgeries like that. Titans wasted another pick on a first round corner.

[spurraider21]

spurraider21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905) how you like Leatherwood?
Gruden/Mayock are the worst drafting regime

[FrostKing]

WOW

What a day. Kyle is ballsy. I love this team.

[FrostKing]

https://youtu.be/bXhxYxCoiXE

[Spurtacular]

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
·
6h
Update on a former first-round pick: Tim Tebow recently worked out for the #Jaguars, source said, and there has been at least some discussion of him signing. Oh, and he’s a tight end now.

He never should've left for baseball.

[spurraider21]

He never should've left for baseball.
wonder if there's a Chinese Football League he could have thrived in

[spurraider21]

1387843418714411010

[Trill Clinton]

I was mad at the cowboys pick last night. Mostly because I felt we should have traded with Chicago and got a bigger haul but I'm not mad at parsons. He's already projected to win DROY. The off field issues weren't even that serious tbh and he has a lot of stand up guys vouching for him.

[leemajors]

I was mad at the cowboys pick last night. Mostly because I felt we should have traded with Chicago and got a bigger haul but I'm not mad at parsons. He's already projected to win DROY. The off field issues weren't even that serious tbh and he has a lot of stand up guys vouching for him.

Hire Lee to help coaching LBs and have him stick to dude. At least it was just hazing and not Randy Gregory type shit?

[SpursforSix]

Hire Lee to help coaching LBs and have him stick to dude. At least it was just hazing and not Randy Gregory type shit?

It was pretty serious hazing but from what I heard on the radio, he wasn't involved in the worst acts. And it sounded like much of the blame was to be placed on one of the coaches for knowing about it all and letting it continue.

He's also got a kid now and hopefully has grown up some.

[spurraider21]

i need to stop paying attention to the draft in the months leading up to it. all it does is piss my off when the raiders pull this shit :lol

browns have the best FO in the NFL right now. Dorsey was a good GM for them too... until he actually hired Freddie Kitchens as head coach, which was a grossly irresponsible move that cost him his job... but Andrew Berry picked up where Dorsey left off personnel wise.

this team was at rock bottom just a few years ago, and its not like Baker Mayfield has been a lights out QB (he's been good, not great as a #1 overall pick), and right now they have one of the most stacked rosters in the league

[spurraider21]

getting Moehrig in the 2nd is an acceptable consolation prize to the clusterfuck that was taking Alex Leatherwood yesterday

[Spurtacular]

wonder if there's a Chinese Football League he could have thrived in

There is a CFL he could've thrived in. But he wasn't doing bad in the NFL either, tbh. He was a playoff QB on the way out.

[Spurtacular]

I was mad at the cowboys pick last night. Mostly because I felt we should have traded with Chicago and got a bigger haul but I'm not mad at parsons. He's already projected to win DROY. The off field issues weren't even that serious tbh and he has a lot of stand up guys vouching for him.

Did you forget you're a Titans fan on this alt, Slob?

[Spurtacular]

i need to stop paying attention to the draft in the months leading up to it. all it does is piss my off when the raiders pull this shit :lol

browns have the best FO in the NFL right now. Dorsey was a good GM for them too... until he actually hired Freddie Kitchens as head coach, which was a grossly irresponsible move that cost him his job... but Andrew Berry picked up where Dorsey left off personnel wise.

this team was at rock bottom just a few years ago, and its not like Baker Mayfield has been a lights out QB (he's been good, not great as a #1 overall pick), and right now they have one of the most stacked rosters in the league

I give you credit; you know more about it than anyone here.

[spurraider21]

Browns killing it in the draft. Owusu koromoah at 52 lmao

[Spurtacular]

Zach Wilson gonna have Elijah Moore to throw to.

[spurraider21]

Zach Wilson gonna have Elijah Moore to throw to.
Moore is a nice target for him. Wilson throws a great back shoulder and I think he can unlock Denzel Mims that way, too.

Jets also did well by grabbing an OL in the first round, a year after Mekhi Becton had an awesome rookie year. they could be on the up and up, but Wilson is still a big projection

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml9NRSeVti4&ab_channel=Jmitchshorts

[lefty20]

I officially take back every bad thing I've ever said about Pace. Man is a genius, tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I officially take back every bad thing I've ever said about Pace. Man is a genius, tbh.

FWIW, he came out and said Andy Dalton is still the starter, tbh.

[lefty20]

FWIW, he came out and said Andy Dalton is still the starter, tbh.

I get why he'd say that. Gotta make sure Fields doesn't take anything for granted.

I'd very surprised if he doesn't get a shot as the starter at some point during the season.

[spurraider21]

bears released Charles Leno... and apparently plan to play Teven Jenkins at LT.

i loved Jenkins in the draft (would have preferred him to Leatherwood), but I never imagined teams would try him out on the left. should be fun. Leno wasn't that bad though, so I didn't see the need for this move.

he's nothing special, but a competent starting caliber LT on the market. the panthers and colts could both use him

[Spurtacular]

Bucs may have a smooth transition from Brady when the time comes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPjyjdQBXuY

[Millennial_Messiah]

I get why he'd say that. Gotta make sure Fields doesn't take anything for granted.

I'd very surprised if he doesn't get a shot as the starter at some point during the season.
You have to hope they don't wait until they're 1-4 or something like that. We'll see what happens with Rodgers, that's the most important question for the Bears IMO.

[Millennial_Messiah]

bears released Charles Leno... and apparently plan to play Teven Jenkins at LT.

i loved Jenkins in the draft (would have preferred him to Leatherwood), but I never imagined teams would try him out on the left. should be fun. Leno wasn't that bad though, so I didn't see the need for this move.

he's nothing special, but a competent starting caliber LT on the market. the panthers and colts could both use him
Leno and Massey are both serious liabilities and have been for a long time. It's why Foles didn't work out and they had to keep trotting out Trubisky because a pocket passer just never had time to throw behind that disaster oline, especially since Kyle Long retired. Also the Bears run blocking has generally been putrid the past several years. The only running back who's had any success is Tarik Cohen running outside, then he got injured.

[Spurtacular]

Called it. Fields is hot garbage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jC5W1QWE7k&ab_channel=PurpleFTW%21Podcast

[spurraider21]

Called it. Fields is hot garbage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jC5W1QWE7k&ab_channel=PurpleFTW%21Podcast
yeah the vikings have an outstanding history of evaluating QBs in the draft

[Spurtacular]

yeah the vikings have an outstanding history of evaluating QBs in the draft

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/vikings-rick-spielman-ranked-sixth-best-drafting-gm-nfl

[spurraider21]

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/vikings-rick-spielman-ranked-sixth-best-drafting-gm-nfl
I specified QBs, derp

The Vikings haven’t drafted a good qb since Culpepper

[Spurtacular]

I specified QBs

The Vikings haven’t drafted a good qb since Culpepper

That's fine; but Spielman hasn't been in for much of that stretch.

I'd have to look at all the QB's he has drafted or not drafted.

I can't imagine he's higher than a D grade overall (in the lead-up to this draft).

But I'm just throwing up some sort of counter.

I thought Christian Ponder was far too big a reach at the time of drafting him.

He's a guy who was slotted to go in the third or fourth round.

Maybe second round if a team got desperate. Vikings showed they were a special kind of retarded.

[spurraider21]

That's fine; but Spielman hasn't been in for much of that stretch.

I'd have to look at all the QB's he has drafted or not drafted.

I can't imagine he's higher than a D grade overall (in the lead-up to this draft).

But I'm just throwing up some sort of counter.

I thought Christian Ponder was far too big a reach at the time of drafting him.

He's a guy who was slotted to go in the third or fourth round.

Maybe second round if a team got desperate. Vikings showed they were a special kind of retarded.
Don’t forget bridgewater

[Spurtacular]

Don’t forget bridgewater

Bridgewater with the last pick of the first round was a decent pick. He filled a desperate need at QB briefly; and he has even done better than the other first round QB's (Bortles, Manziel). And he was nice enough to get injured after two mediocre seasons and made moving on from him a low drama process. Had Vikings drafted Carr or Jimmy G, they may have been saddled with either for much too long. As it stands, 49 games started with a 26-23 record is serviceable. All this said, I never personally liked the Bridgewater selection at any point.

[spurraider21]

Bridgewater with the last pick of the first round was a decent pick. He filled a desperate need at QB briefly; and he has even done better than the other first round QB's (Bortles, Manziel). And he was nice enough to get injured after two mediocre seasons and made moving on from him a low drama process. Had Vikings drafted Carr or Jimmy G, they may have been saddled with either for much too long. As it stands, 49 games started with a 26-23 record is serviceable. All this said, I never personally liked the Bridgewater selection at any point.
i dont think bridgewater was a disaster pick, but it should have been apparent that he had limited upside. he was a competent QB for the vikings, but just very low volume, few explosive plays. didnt make a second year leap despite peterson coming back and having a strong 2016.

but his injury also forced them to spend a first round pick in their trade for Bradford, who did come in and play very good football for a year. but thats 2 first round picks for 2 years of mediocre QB play and 1 year of above average QB play.

then they had to go spend a lot of money on Cousins for above average QB play (which is fine). i dont know that Mond is the answer, but a third round pick is a very worthwhile gamble for him. he is going to need time to learn, but they are locked in with cousins through the 2022 season anyway, so no rush for him to be ready even by next year. its a good gambit

but re: the bridgwater pick, carr has clearly been the best QB from that group, but you're basically capping yourself the same way the vikings currently are doing with Cousins. i think Cousins/Carr are in the same tier of qb. in any given year, i wouldnt be shocked in they play themselves into the 8-12 tier, but i also wouldnt be shocked if in a given year they played in that 14-18 tier

[Spurtacular]

i dont think bridgewater was a disaster pick, but it should have been apparent that he had limited upside. he was a competent QB for the vikings, but just very low volume, few explosive plays. didnt make a second year leap despite peterson coming back and having a strong 2016.

but his injury also forced them to spend a first round pick in their trade for Bradford, who did come in and play very good football for a year. but thats 2 first round picks for 2 years of mediocre QB play and 1 year of above average QB play.

then they had to go spend a lot of money on Cousins for above average QB play (which is fine). i dont know that Mond is the answer, but a third round pick is a very worthwhile gamble for him. he is going to need time to learn, but they are locked in with cousins through the 2022 season anyway, so no rush for him to be ready even by next year. its a good gambit

but re: the bridgwater pick, carr has clearly been the best QB from that group, but you're basically capping yourself the same way the vikings currently are doing with Cousins. i think Cousins/Carr are in the same tier of qb. in any given year, i wouldnt be shocked in they play themselves into the 8-12 tier, but i also wouldnt be shocked if in a given year they played in that 14-18 tier

The Vikes overpaid for Bradford; but it was otherwise the right move. The problem is that they have a dumb ass at coach who actually believed Case Keenum was a really good QB and the better option. I've never seen a QB single-handedly lose a championship game like that ever so egregiously like Keenum did in 2017. The Eagles even did drills to make sure their DB's were ready to catch the "balloon balls". Had the Vikes not slighted Bradford like that and kept him motivated, it's possible there could've been brighter pastures. The dude was a legit QB.

[spurraider21]

The Vikes overpaid for Bradford; but it was otherwise the right move. The problem is that they have a dumb ass at coach who actually believed Case Keenum was a really good QB and the better option. I've never seen a QB single-handedly lose a championship game like that ever so egregiously like Keenum did in 2017. The Eagles even did drills to make sure their DB's were ready to catch the "balloon balls". Had the Vikes not slighted Bradford like that and kept him motivated, it's possible there could've been brighter pastures. The dude was a legit QB.
i always liked Bradford. but unfortunately his body could never hold up

[Spurtacular]

i always liked Bradford. but unfortunately his body could never hold up

Hard luck QB.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPMaEMvtO-Y


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHWLvPMsWQE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjDuhiqcuYU

Maybe if he had played after the further development of QB protection rules.
The talent was there though.

[Spurtacular]

SMH. All the cheap hits that led to injury that this guy took.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqjZ7jJQFcQ