dEmAr cHoKeS eVeRy sInGlE tImE

[FkLA]

:madrun

https://twitter.com/Josh810/status/1358504805233221632?s=19

[tbdog]

It's just confirmation bias. Spurs talk see 54% of those misses and call him a choker

[Sugus]

Cool story. Still want him gone by next season. :wakeup

[Dejounte]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/IdealCheapDassie-max-1mb.gif

[daslicer]

When their is a minute left in the game and the Spurs are down by 1 or 2 it's a given Demar will miss the shot to tie or win the game. If he's at the free throw line he will miss at least 1 freethrow or both.

[duncan2k5]

If u think DeMar is clutch, you need to actually watch the games.... For goodness sakes dude was benched in an elimination game... He racks up those stats vs shitty bottom dwelling teams

[Dex]

If u think DeMar is clutch, you need to actually watch the games.... For goodness sakes dude was benched in an elimination game... He racks up those stats vs shitty bottom dwelling teams

Yeah, what do current stats matter when some guy on the internet who pretends to know Tim Duncan cites a situation that occurred 3 years ago? :rolleyes

[Sugus]

And to be honest, it's a strawman argument at its core by my guy FkLA (c'mon, you can do better than this!). Nobody says DeRozan chokes literally every single time. Most people just argue he chokes much more often than is acceptable for a guy being paid what DD is, and having the leading role that DD has on the team. He literally always demands the ball at end-of-games situation, and his results aren't what you want or expect out of a max-paid player. Not to mention you can't at all depend on him when you're down 3, yet we still hand him the ball in those situations...

In the end, it still comes down to the fact that DD doesn't fit the Spurs timeline whatsoever. Him continuing to demand the ball in late game situations is just hindering the young guys from getting those opportunities, making mistakes, and learning from them to be better in the future. Hard pass, tbh.

[DAF86]

This thread has huge jinx potential right now.

[Dejounte]

Fuck you and your jinx threads, man.

[Kurgan]

:lol Makes this thread on a night where Demar bricks and turns it over every time he touches the ball in the 4th

[FkLA]

24/26 FTs

elite closer :wow

[Mr. Body]

DeRozan shitting all over most of this thread.

[BlackAndWhite]

Give Derozan the max extension now

[ducks]

Derozon is like 22-24 in clutch free throws

[duncan2k5]

Yeah, what do current stats matter when some guy on the internet who pretends to know Tim Duncan cites a situation that occurred 3 years ago? :rolleyes

1. 3 years ago was his prime...he is worse now...if he was 9n another team, there's NO WAY we would consider him a clutch player...we would laugh at that notion...

2. Current stats? So ur a stats guy, huh? You're one of those ppl that look at surface level stats and think that's everything? Ppl like u would choose westbrook over tony parker, and AD over Duncan... Since u wanna talk about current stats... CURRENT advanced stats have the Spurs playing better without DeRozan on the floor... Sounds eerily similar to his entire time in Toronto... It's almost like he is a negative impact player... Go figure...

3. It's very obvious I know Tim Duncan... But I'm not here to prove anything to you

[ezau]

6 minutes of Demar DeRozan in the clutch.


https://youtu.be/Sb8lyEfPtEI

[tbdog]

When their is a minute left in the game and the Spurs are down by 1 or 2 it's a given Demar will miss the shot to tie or win the game. If he's at the free throw line he will miss at least 1 freethrow or both.

The stats says otherwise.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

1. 3 years ago was his prime...he is worse now...if he was 9n another team, there's NO WAY we would consider him a clutch player...we would laugh at that notion...

2. Current stats? So ur a stats guy, huh? You're one of those ppl that look at surface level stats and think that's everything? Ppl like u would choose westbrook over tony parker, and AD over Duncan... Since u wanna talk about current stats... CURRENT advanced stats have the Spurs playing better without DeRozan on the floor... Sounds eerily similar to his entire time in Toronto... It's almost like he is a negative impact player... Go figure...

3. It's very obvious I know Tim Duncan... But I'm not here to prove anything to you


It's soooo obvious you know him, but hey, I know Tim Duncan, too. Great guy, played for the Spurs I think...maybe the Magic, I can't really remember, tbh. He once had the audacity of suggesting that David Robinson's yard gnomes be used to mark "out of bounds". David and I both thought that was silly.

Hey, here's a thought: since it's obvious you know Timmy, maybe you should ask him to teach you about the game of basketball because what's also obvious is that you know nothing about the game.

[Slippy]

Not sure about every game but im certainly glad he recognised after i think 2 failed trips of iso mode Demar style , that yesterday's game wasn't for him .. thankfully he allowed DJ to take over.

[Dex]

1. 3 years ago was his prime...he is worse now...if he was 9n another team, there's NO WAY we would consider him a clutch player...we would laugh at that notion...

2. Current stats? So ur a stats guy, huh? You're one of those ppl that look at surface level stats and think that's everything? Ppl like u would choose westbrook over tony parker, and AD over Duncan... Since u wanna talk about current stats... CURRENT advanced stats have the Spurs playing better without DeRozan on the floor... Sounds eerily similar to his entire time in Toronto... It's almost like he is a negative impact player... Go figure...

3. It's very obvious I know Tim Duncan... But I'm not here to prove anything to you

Tell Timmy I said hi. :rolleyes

[duncan2k5]

Tell Timmy I said hi. :rolleyes
No

[FkLA]

DeCloser

[GAustex]

Ain’t worth $30 M per no matter what who says

[lefty]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/IdealCheapDassie-max-1mb.gif

Nice Patty Mills gif

[Teamduncan21]

Derozan makes a low ceiling high floor team. At best spurs is a 2nd tier playoff team. At worst. Missing the playoff (like last year)
problem is he raises the floor and we are fearful we completely fall off. But caps the ceiling. So people are annoyed we wont really become a contender.

they key is how we can transition to the younger players like murray and free agency while minimizing chances of completely tanking. So we can raise ceiling without affecting floor as much. Itcan be by trading derozan, not resigning, or resigning at a lower price for a secondary role.

tho my issue is he plays same position as walker and or keldon. Which hinders their growth. But next off season we will get tons of space. So patfo can wiggle around and maybe make something out of it (collins, lauri, others)

[Dex]

Derozan makes a low ceiling high floor team. At best spurs is a 2nd tier playoff team. At worst. Missing the playoff (like last year)
problem is he raises the floor and we are fearful we completely fall off. But caps the ceiling. So people are annoyed we wont really become a contender.

they key is how we can transition to the younger players like murray and free agency while minimizing chances of completely tanking. So we can raise ceiling without affecting floor as much. Itcan be by trading derozan, not resigning, or resigning at a lower price for a secondary role.

tho my issue is he plays same position as walker and or keldon. Which hinders their growth. But next off season we will get tons of space. So patfo can wiggle around and maybe make something out of it (collins, lauri, others)

My concern is that I don't see any players in free agency that are going to raise our ceiling. Spurs are never going to bring in a LeBron or Durant off the market. The closest we got was Aldridge...and everyone hates him here now.

If Spurs let DeMar walk to bring in Collins...I think we are stuck in the same position until one of the young guys breaks out or we get lucky in the lottery again.

[Dejounte]

With the offensive scheme the Spurs have, Collins won't be nearly as good or stat-stuffing as he is now with the Hawks. I'm back to thinking that it would be a bummer signing.

[BillMc]

My concern is that I don't see any players in free agency that are going to raise our ceiling. Spurs are never going to bring in a LeBron or Durant off the market. The closest we got was Aldridge...and everyone hates him here now.

If Spurs let DeMar walk to bring in Collins...I think we are stuck in the same position until one of the young guys breaks out or we get lucky in the lottery again.

I don't hate LMA. I'm glad he chose us. He's the second best PF in team history, and if Tim's knee holds up and/or Nephew doesn't wuss out, he'd likely have been a key component of a title. Even as it was he dragged us to the playoffs for 2 years when we maybe shouldn't have gone. Yeah, he's moody, but not really a problem guy. Just your normal NBA star. If he's willing to come off the bench, more power to him. He could really help the Spurs.

[rankingtear]

With the offensive scheme the Spurs have, Collins won't be nearly as good or stat-stuffing as he is now with the Hawks. I'm back to thinking that it would be a bummer signing.

Finally you see the light. Imagine the spacing with Derrick pick and roll with Collins with Jakob on the dunker Spot and your spot up shooters are DJ and Keldon.

[Dejounte]

Finally you see the light. Imagine the spacing with Derrick pick and roll with Collins with Jakob on the dunker Spot and your spot up shooters are DJ and Keldon.

I see the light? DJ is becoming a good shooter and Keldon will get there in time. Collins as a pick and pop would benefit the team, but the reason I posted that was because I don't believe he'll be that much better than what Lyles gives us. I think if we look at numbers for pacing (or some other statistic), Collins' numbers may be inflated because of that Atlanta team.

You're looking for volume shooters, I think we already have that in Vassell.

[Teamduncan21]

My concern is that I don't see any players in free agency that are going to raise our ceiling. Spurs are never going to bring in a LeBron or Durant off the market. The closest we got was Aldridge...and everyone hates him here now.

If Spurs let DeMar walk to bring in Collins...I think we are stuck in the same position until one of the young guys breaks out or we get lucky in the lottery again.

agree. So the question is how much do we trust the young guys if we let derozan walks. As well as his replacement. May it be collins. Lauri. Or anyone we have in mind. Do we think any of the young guys will be a future all nba that will make us contender?

also derozan plays similar position with lonie and keldon to a certain degree.

Personally. I am ok with resigning at a good rate. But if some other teams wanna overpay. Then we let him go. And sign a younger guy that fits the timeline. And hope one of the young guys have a break out career

[FkLA]

DeCloser

:worthy:

[james evans]

agree. So the question is how much do we trust the young guys if we let derozan walks. As well as his replacement. May it be collins. Lauri. Or anyone we have in mind. Do we think any of the young guys will be a future all nba that will make us contender?

also derozan plays similar position with lonie and keldon to a certain degree.

Personally. I am ok with resigning at a good rate. But if some other teams wanna overpay. Then we let him go. And sign a younger guy that fits the timeline. And hope one of the young guys have a break out career
No spurs fan under ANY circumstance should want Defronzen to play another season with us. This shit has not worked for 3 seasons and it won't work going forward.

[spurraider21]

Thank him for his service and move one. It’s a shame we weren’t able or perhaps willing to flip him for assets.

[NK123]

Derozan makes a low ceiling high floor team. At best spurs is a 2nd tier playoff team. At worst. Missing the playoff (like last year)
problem is he raises the floor and we are fearful we completely fall off. But caps the ceiling. So people are annoyed we wont really become a contender.

they key is how we can transition to the younger players like murray and free agency while minimizing chances of completely tanking. So we can raise ceiling without affecting floor as much. Itcan be by trading derozan, not resigning, or resigning at a lower price for a secondary role.

tho my issue is he plays same position as walker and or keldon. Which hinders their growth. But next off season we will get tons of space. So patfo can wiggle around and maybe make something out of it (collins, lauri, others)

- This team need another 3 level scorer.
- Lonnie is the one I see on the team that could become a star in this league and a ceiling raiser.
- Next year free agents are not better than Demar nor better than our current players.
- Signing Kelly Olynyk and Tim Hardaway Jr. would make a decent off-season to me.
- Letting Demar go would make our team worse for a season or 2.
- Signing him to a 2yr/65m would be good for both parties.
- Letting Gay walk would be a lot more impactful.

[tbdog]

- This team need another 3 level scorer.
- Lonnie is the one I see on the team that could become a star in this league and a ceiling raiser.
- Next year free agents are not better than Demar nor better than our current players.
- Signing Kelly Olynyk and Tim Hardaway Jr. would make a decent off-season to me.
- Letting Demar go would make our team worse for a season or 2.
- Signing him to a 2yr/65m would be good for both parties.
- Letting Gay walk would be a lot more impactful.

Spurs don't need to spend money in free agency. They can eat contracts in trades.

[exstatic]

- This team need another 3 level scorer.
- Lonnie is the one I see on the team that could become a star in this league and a ceiling raiser.
- Next year free agents are not better than Demar nor better than our current players.
- Signing Kelly Olynyk and Tim Hardaway Jr. would make a decent off-season to me.
- Letting Demar go would make our team worse for a season or 2.
- Signing him to a 2yr/65m would be good for both parties.
- Letting Gay walk would be a lot more impactful.

Sadly, although I was hoping for improvement, Lonnie is still a C- finisher, so not three levels. Olynyk is a potato. While I’d be down with 2 yrs. of DeMar, he’s been ADAMANT about getting a 4 year deal, and I’m not at all down with that. The years were supposedly the reason the extension didn’t get done.

[tbdog]

Sadly, although I was hoping for improvement, Lonnie is still a C- finisher, so not three levels. Olynyk is a potato. While I’d be down with 2 yrs. of DeMar, he’s been ADAMANT about getting a 4 year deal, and I’m not at all down with that. The years were supposedly the reason the extension didn’t get done.

Yes, it seems obvious it's about the years. 3 for 90 is likely on the table.

[timtonymanu]

You can't build around a guy who can't shoot 3s and plays horrible defense. Let the guy walk.

[itzsoweezee]

Detrash

[lefty]

You can't build around a guy who can't shoot 3s and plays horrible defense. .
Magic Johnson thread!!!!

[spurraider21]

Magic Johnson thread!!!!
kareem carried

its like embiid and simmons

[DMC]

This thread is going to bite OP in the ass.

[slick'81]

Not every single time,thats just a lie

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I've vacillated on my opinion to resign Demar a couple of times already, and I'll probably do it again.


He's what, 3rd now in clutch points this season? I don't think he's as big of a choker as folks think around here. He's certainly way more clutch than Patty late in games. We really don't have anyone else who's dependable to shoot late. Teams know DeMar is taking that last FGA and they still can't keep him from getting a shot off.

[MultiTroll]

I don't think he's as big of a choker as folks think around here. He's certainly way more clutch than Patty late in games. We really don't have anyone else who's dependable to shoot late. Teams know DeMar is taking that last FGA and they still can't keep him from getting a shot off.
He was very unclutch.
He's broken out the 2nd half of this season.

[slick'81]

I've vacillated on my opinion to resign Demar a couple of times already, and I'll probably do it again.


He's what, 3rd now in clutch points this season? I don't think he's as big of a choker as folks think around here. He's certainly way more clutch than Patty late in games. We really don't have anyone else who's dependable to shoot late. Teams know DeMar is taking that last FGA and they still can't keep him from getting a shot off.


You cant stop the midrange king. You can only hope to contain him

[The Truth #6]

Cool dude. One of my many concerns about him is that he's basically un-coachable. Everyone praised TD for taking Pop's rants and tirades and how that allowed everyone to be coached. With DDR, it's basically the opposite of that. Pop definitely doesn't do that with DDR as far as I can tell. He just bites his tongue and takes it. We've become desensitized to DDR pounding the air out of the ball and stalling the offense as if this is the offense. This would have been impossible while TD was still on the team. So when people say that DDR is good for the young players, I wonder how true that can be when DDR is given such kid gloves.

One small example: he came out of the gate shooting more threes. That lasted about a week and I get no sense that Pop is doing anything about it.

TLDR: let him walk, drive him to the airport, and thank him for a graceful transition into fully rebuilding.

[slick'81]

Cool dude. One of my many concerns about him is that he's basically un-coachable. Everyone praised TD for taking Pop's rants and tirades and how that allowed everyone to be coached. With DDR, it's basically the opposite of that. Pop definitely doesn't do that with DDR as far as I can tell. He just bites his tongue and takes it. We've become desensitized to DDR pounding the air out of the ball and stalling the offense as if this is the offense. This would have been impossible while TD was still on the team. So when people say that DDR is good for the young players, I wonder how true that can be when DDR is given such kid gloves.

One small example: he came out of the gate shooting more threes. That lasted about a week and I get no sense that Pop is doing anything about it.

TLDR: let him walk, drive him to the airport, and thank him for a graceful transition into fully rebuilding.


hes def stealing alla whites assists ,tbh

[FkLA]

DeCloser

https://twitter.com/Josh810/status/1386876596523454467?s=19

[exstatic]

Yes, it seems obvious it's about the years. 3 for 90 is likely on the table.

3 is off the table. The Spurs next window is 2023.

[T_Carter]

He is going for the most money/years possible with an already established team or a team on the rise. I have a feeling its going to be the Knicks or the Mavericks on a 5 year 190-200 deal.

[EasyMoney]

Demar will likely go for the longest contract possible. He will be 32, will slowly start declining and already has a game that is suited for a previous Era. If he signs a 3 year deal then he must really appreciate san antonio.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

If the spurs resign him I’ll never watch another game. I’ve already stopped because of him

[Floyd Pacquiao]

How many fucking seasons with this fucker. I'm ready for the end of the derozan era.
I know man, people get fooled easy when he beats up on a shit defensive teams like the wizards or pelicans and forget about the 12 game losing streak or what ever it was that he led them on cause he’s so fucking bad defensively and doesn’t spread the floor or hustle.

[Dex]

I know man, people get fooled easy when he beats up on a shit defensive teams like the wizards or pelicans and forget about the 12 game losing streak or what ever it was that he led them on cause he’s so fucking bad defensively and doesn’t spread the floor or hustle.

Who do you think would be better suited to close games?

Murray is known for making big mistakes in big moments.

White is apparently made of glass.

Lonnie only seems to show up for 1 out of every 5 games.

KJ can't create his own shot unless he is barreling to the basket.

Unless you think the Spurs are going to acquire another closer in free agency (hint: not likely), I'd really like to understand what you think the better alternative is.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Who do you think would be better suited to close games?

Murray is known for making big mistakes in big moments.

White is apparently made of glass.

Lonnie only seems to show up for 1 out of every 5 games.

KJ can't create his own shot unless he is barreling to the basket.

Unless you think the Spurs are going to acquire another closer in free agency (hint: not likely), I'd really like to understand what you think the better alternative is.
The team has shown they are better without him. It’s addition by subtracting. Who cares about having an iso closer :lol I’d rather develop and see what Murray, white vassell and Lonnie could do with the ball in their hands instead of defrozen hogging it down the stretch. With Derozan you’re a treadmill bottom feeder with shit spacing and poor defense

[TDomination]

I really hope we're somehow able to do a sign and trade with him. He can give the spurs a parting gift by allowing us to do so and we send him to a team that he desires while getting a contract he desires.

[RC_Drunkford]

If New York decides to aggressively pitch a premier free agent this offseason, DeRozan would seem to fit the mold of a player receptive to Thibodeau’s culture. The Spurs’ swingman is believed to have an interest in returning to the Eastern Conference, sources said, and there is plenty of scoring opportunity open in the Knicks’ rotation (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2941224-knicks-finally-impressing-nba-stars-but-will-front-office-chase-big-names).
14 hours ago (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/demar-derozan-wants-back-in-the-eastern-conference/) – via Jake Fischer @ Bleacher Report (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2941224-knicks-finally-impressing-nba-stars-but-will-front-office-chase-big-names)


I could totally see that happening with the Spurs not getting shit in return. Knicks FO > Spurs FO

[timtonymanu]

The team has shown they are better without him. It’s addition by subtracting. Who cares about having an iso closer :lol I’d rather develop and see what Murray, white vassell and Lonnie could do with the ball in their hands instead of defrozen hogging it down the stretch. With Derozan you’re a treadmill bottom feeder with shit spacing and poor defense

Especially with the asking price he will demand, it’s not like DeRozan is a young player in his 20s anymore. Knowing our history with vets, we’re gonna overpay him an extra year and his game will drop off a cliff a lot. I’d rather take my chances with the young guys. And sure the results may not be pretty right away but it will at least position them better in a future draft to pick up more talent. I know Spurs fans scoff at tanking but you gotta start somewhere. Signing DeRozan to another 3-4 years will just keep holding this team and the other guys back.

[duncan2k5]

Who do you think would be better suited to close games?

Murray is known for making big mistakes in big moments.

White is apparently made of glass.

Lonnie only seems to show up for 1 out of every 5 games.

KJ can't create his own shot unless he is barreling to the basket.

Unless you think the Spurs are going to acquire another closer in free agency (hint: not likely), I'd really like to understand what you think the better alternative is.

No one of our younger players will EVER learn how to close behind Derozan

[duncan2k5]

Especially with the asking price he will demand, it’s not like DeRozan is a young player in his 20s anymore. Knowing our history with vets, we’re gonna overpay him an extra year and his game will drop off a cliff a lot. I’d rather take my chances with the young guys. And sure the results may not be pretty right away but it will at least position them better in a future draft to pick up more talent. I know Spurs fans scoff at tanking but you gotta start somewhere. Signing DeRozan to another 3-4 years will just keep holding this team and the other guys back.
Exactly

[rjv]

truth is, demar has been the only spur who has shown the ability to go toe-to-toe with another team's star player. he doesn't always do this but he's certainly done it enough times to rule out such occasions as flukes. it that worth signing him to an extension? i guess that all depends on the asking price.

[itzsoweezee]

LLLLLLLL O LLLLLLL

[timtonymanu]

:lol OP

[Sugus]

Cool story. Still want him gone by next season. :wakeup

[Kurgan]

Imagine choosing THIS hill to die on :rollin

[DMC]

This thread is going to bite OP in the ass.

[gambit1990]

Imagine choosing THIS hill to die on :rollin

[FkLA]

You DeClose some, you DeChoke some.

Happens to the best of 'em, imho.

[lefty]

DeMar DeRozan in his first postseason game every year:


2014: 13 points, 3-13
2015: 15 points, 6-20
2016: 14 points, 5-19
2017: 27 points, 7-21
2018: 17 points, 6-17
2019: 18 points, 6-17
2021: 20 points, 5-21


...29.7% from the field...


It’s absolutely uncanny in the worst way.

[itzsoweezee]

You DeClose some, you DeChoke some.

Happens to the best of 'em, imho.

Demar Derangement Syndrome

[Barfunk]

If the spurs resign him I’ll never watch another game. I’ve already stopped because of him

So what the hell, 1997-2017 never happened or what?

[tim_duncan_fan]

You can't build around a guy who can't shoot 3s and plays horrible defense. Let the guy walk.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

So what the hell, 1997-2017 never happened or what?
The spurs used to be a proud organization that valued defense (well except from 09-11) and doing what it took to win. The past few years they’ve gone away from that and Derozan is a big part of that. Derozan and all his bad habits are like a wildfire on an organization you’ve got to put it out before it spreads even more.

[jjspur]

This game should finally convince the spurs FO that you cant build your team around DeRozen. He's a second or third banana on a good team but not the primary on a middling team like the spurs. Disappearing DeMar just isn't worth his large salary any more. Let some other schmuck team give him a raise as he ages and declines (I bet he goes back to the eastern conf. or to the lakers most likely for less money).
The season is over and done with. It was ever so slightly better than last years. There can be a silver lining to this. With no 27.5 million dollar salary choking us, lets find someone else more deserving or tradeable to give our cap space to, draft wisely (No fundamentally deficient players that take several years to develop) and make a trade or two and not get burned in the process. Lets use this years experiences/mistakes to build a better team next year. With a bit of effort it can be done, we have a decent foundation, now we just have to improve on it.

[RC_Drunkford]

DeMar DeRozan in his first postseason game every year:


2014: 13 points, 3-13
2015: 15 points, 6-20
2016: 14 points, 5-19
2017: 27 points, 7-21
2018: 17 points, 6-17
2019: 18 points, 6-17
2021: 20 points, 5-21


...29.7% from the field...


It’s absolutely uncanny in the worst way.

he's always been mentally weak