Most pressing need you'd like the Spurs to address through the draft?

[Dejounte]

Using these seven categories for players:

Point guard, able to do one or more of the following:
-Be the team general, run set plays
-Be a microwave scorer, score 3's in bunches
-Most effective when guarding 1's and 2's
-Advanced ball handler

Current Spurs Players: Dejounte Murray, Tre Jones
2021 Draft Prospects: N/A (have not researched)

Combo guard, able to do one or more of the following:
-Secondary playmaker, occasionally takes over playmaking duties
-Can guard 1-3, most effective against 1's and 2's
-Can create his own shot
-Be a microwave scorer, score 3's in bunches
-Advanced ball handler

Current Spurs Players: Derrick White, Patty Mills, Lonnie Walker, Quinndary Weatherspoon
2021 Draft Prospects: Ayo Dosunmu

Wing, able to do one or more of the following:
-Go-to scorer down the stretch
-Defensive specialist
-Shooting specialist
-Can guard 1-4, most effective against 2's and 3's
-Secondary playmaker
-Roams the perimeter on offense
-Reliable ball handler

Current Spurs Players: Devin Vassell
2021 Draft Prospects: Brandon Boston Jr., Ziaire Williams
Intriguing Spurs G-League Player: Cam Reynolds

Big Wing (or Playmaking Big Forward), able to do one or more of the following:
-Can play the 4 position in line-ups
-Go-to scorer down the stretch
-Can guard 1-4, most effective against 3's and 4's
-Secondary playmaker
-Defensive specialist
-Offense is more inside than outside
-Reliable ball handler
-Can stretch floor with three point shooting

Current Spurs Players: DeMar DeRozan, Keldon Johnson, Rudy Gay, Keita Bates-Diop
2021 Draft Prospects: Franz Wagner, Herbert Jones, Vrenz Bleijenbergh, Trendon Watford, Sandro Mamukelashvili

Athletic Forward, able to do one or more of the following:
-Limited ball handling
-Can mostly only play the 4 in line-ups, too weak to play the 5 unless small ball is utilized
-Covers space on defense excellently
-Sets hard screens and rolls to the rim quickly
-Very effective at blocking weakside shots
-Can guard 1-5, most effective against 3's and 4's
-Can stretch floor with three point shooting
-Able to run with the guards in transition

Current Spurs Players: None
2021 Draft Prospects: Ariel Hukporti, Greg Brown, Amar Sylla, Usman Garuba
Intriguing Spurs G-League Player: Nate Renfro

Stretch Big, able to do one or more of the following:
-Reliable three point shooter
-Has array of post up moves
-Can guard 4-5, occasionally 3's
-Usually tall
-Can switch on smaller players, but not quick enough to consistently chase 1's and 2's
-Adequate rim protection
-Able to play with another big
-Limited ball handling

Current Spurs Players: LaMarcus Aldridge, Luka Samanic, Trey Lyles
2021 Draft Prospects: Kai Jones, Isaiah Todd, Alperen Sengun

Anchor Big, able to do one or more of the following:
-Can guard 5's most effectively
-Best rim protector
-Sets hard screens
-Improves overall team defense
-Offense is mostly in the paint area
-Usually tall
-Not quick enough to roam outside the paint on defense
-Inexistent ball handling

Current Spurs Players: Jakob Poeltl, Drew Eubanks
2021 Draft Prospects: Jay Huff, Isaiah Jackson, Oscar da Silva
Intriguing Spurs G-League Player: Kylor Kelley


To me,

We do not need a point guard, I feel confident in the playmaking duties of Dejounte, Derrick, and hopefully soon, Tre.

We should not be looking at a combo guard, unless we are giving up on Lonnie Walker.

I do think we should beef up the wing depth behind Devin Vassell, another shooter / defense specialist would be nice.

I definitely think our biggest hole will be a big wing, due to the uncertainty of DeMar DeRozan and frankly, we're not tall or versatile enough at this position.

Another hole is an athletic forward, since we're hugely lacking in athleticism. It's a long shot, but I'm rooting hard for Nate Renfro to secure a contract with the main team. The prospects in the upcoming draft don't look much better than him.

I want Luka Samanic to succeed, therefore, I do not want us to start over again with a new prospect for our stretch big position. Getting depth here is easy through free agency, in my opinion.

I do not want another anchor big. Jakob, Eubanks are both holding the fort here.

[CGD]

Easy: athletic forward. Gay and DDR are likely gone soon. It’s a position of need.

[John B]

I think you forgot to include, package our 1st pick to get the 20/10 PF/C that Spurs need.

[Dejounte]

I think you forgot to include, package our 1st pick to get the 20/10 PF/C that Spurs need.

Bro, it's a fantasy to think we can land a 20/10 PF/C unless you're talking about John Collins, but even he is not doing that great lately. 8 points and 3 rebounds last night.

[John B]

Bro, it's a fantasy to think we can land a 20/10 PF/C unless you're talking about John Collins, but even he is not doing that great lately.
Because the future is bright for the young core. I’m not the only one who thinks that Spurs are 1 20/10 player away from being a contender. I sincerely believe that Demar + 20/10 PF/C + another year of improved DJ, Derrick, Keldon and Co = Contender. So if that 1st pick could be used to get that 20/10 PF/C player, then that's what PATFO should do, imo.

[Dejounte]

Because the future is bright for the young core. I’m not the only one who thinks that Spurs are 1 20/10 player away from being a contender. I sincerely believe that Demar + 20/10 PF/C + another year of improved DJ, Derrick, Keldon and Co = Contender. So if that 1st pick could be used to get that 20/10 PF/C player, then that's what PATFO should do, imo.

I don't disagree that that kind of player would launch the Spurs into playoff contention; I'm just saying those kinds of players are rare and hard to attain outside of the draft. And from where the Spurs are slated to select, it's likely going to be another project player that will take years to develop. No PF/C player drafted in the 10's or 20's is going to provide 20/10 right from the jump. I'm hoping Luka can become that. Or if the Spurs don't believe in Luka, then the guys they can start over with are Alperen Sengun or Isaiah Todd.

[talkspurs]

Because the future is bright for the young core. I’m not the only one who thinks that Spurs are 1 20/10 player away from being a contender. I sincerely believe that Demar + 20/10 PF/C + another year of improved DJ, Derrick, Keldon and Co = Contender. So if that 1st pick could be used to get that 20/10 PF/C player, then that's what PATFO should do, imo.

Which player do you have in mind that we would be able to get for just our first round pick. If they are younger they are going to cost more then our first rd pick. if they are older they are probably about ready to fall off. Also if we get said player who goes to the bench? I have seen to move KJ and DDR back to natural sf and sg positions but then do you send white to the bench? If we keep DDR we would not really have much money to sign him unless they are on our team already.

[Maddog]

I'm going to state the obvious,
They need a superstar/1st team all nba caliber player.
Not sure and statistically unlikely, that any of the current, very good prospect will be that

Of course all but a few teams are looking for this

[John B]

Which player do you have in mind that we would be able to get for just our first round pick. If they are younger they are going to cost more then our first rd pick. if they are older they are probably about ready to fall off. Also if we get said player who goes to the bench? I have seen to move KJ and DDR back to natural sf and sg positions but then do you send white to the bench? If we keep DDR we would not really have much money to sign him unless they are on our team already.
Nobody is suggesting a straight up trade 1st pick for a 20/10 PF/C. I said “package” that pick + whoever, maybe a Lonnie or Luka to get that 20/10 PF/C. Because that’s what Spurs immediate need to get to contention, and not another project. Trade the pick is my point, to include in one of the options.

[Biggems]

Christian Wood would have been a perfect addition to this starting lineup, but that ship has sailed.

Let's get Franz Wagner and Jay Huff. Two stretch bigs. Huff would be a very good backup to Poetl, and still allow us to have a low post defender.

[John B]

Yet I still think Samanic (or Keldon for that matter) could be that elusive 20/10. Can they make that leap and be ready next year? Can they hold the port and not be a defensive liability? It depends on their development, and could play a part on how we draft. IF Luka/Keldon can cement that PF/small ball C and play Jakob at starting C and knock shots? Then I would draft a defensive wing to back Devin. It all depends on how our young guns improve this year I guess.

[RC_Drunkford]

Nobody is suggesting a straight up trade 1st pick for a 20/10 PF/C. I said “package” that pick + whoever, maybe a Lonnie or Luka to get that 20/10 PF/C. Because that’s what Spurs immediate need to get to contention, and not another project. Trade the pick is my point, to include in one of the options.

You don't trade a pick in one of the most stacked drafts of the last recent years. If they want to package a pick, send out the 2022 or 2023 pick, whichever class is weaker

[BackHome]

I would agree with you if we were picking in the top 12 right now it is looking like we will be picking probably 19 - 24. There is not a lot of guys in that range that really excite me but will see how we continue to do as the last couple of games have been against crappy teams.

Also, its more then likely that if LMA and Derozz leave we will probably have a good chance of getting another lottery pick in 2022 as we figure things out.

[Dejounte]

I would agree with you if we were picking in the top 12 right now it is looking like we will be picking probably 19 - 24. There is not a lot of guys in that range that really excite me but will see how we continue to do as the last couple of games have been against crappy teams.

Also, its more then likely that if LMA and Derozz leave we will probably have a good chance of getting another lottery pick in 2022 as we figure things out.

Bruh, we look like a playoff team without LMA, and I'm confident we'll be okay without DeRozan. Doubt we're going to fall off like you think. Our young guys will only get better. Imagine if Keldon or Vassell takes a big step forward next year like Dejounte did this year.

[Dejounte]

The big wing description sounded more apt for Rudy Gay and KBD as I read it over, so I moved them from "athletic forward".

Interesting people are choosing an athletic forward over the big wing position. Anyone who voted that way want to leave a comment why? IMO, our starting four needs to be a big wing who can do some playmaking and can guard opposing 4's. Not necessarily another undersized one like Keldon, but there will be taller ones available in the draft as listed in the opening post.

I do agree it would be very appealing if we had an athletic forward who can run with our young guards.

[JuneJive]

BPA

[Dejounte]

BPA

I don't know, man. After passing up Tyrese Haliburton last year, I don't think you're gonna find another point guard like that so BPA seems not applicable for the point guard position. Plus, are we really going to take away minutes from Dejounte and Derrick when both seem to be on the rise? Sounds counter-productive.

Also, if your BPA is a combo guard, you're basically signalling the end for Lonnie.

[KobesAchilles]

Athletic big man or stretch 5

[duncan2150]

Anchor big man or athletic forward but my first choice is the big man Who can rebound, protect the rim....

[Dejounte]

Anchor big man or athletic forward but my first choice is the big man Who can rebound, protect the rim....

Another Poeltl?! I thought you wanted Alperen Sengun (whom I classified as a stretch big)?

[cd021]

I would agree with you if we were picking in the top 12 right now it is looking like we will be picking probably 19 - 24. There is not a lot of guys in that range that really excite me but will see how we continue to do as the last couple of games have been against crappy teams.

Also, its more then likely that if LMA and Derozz leave we will probably have a good chance of getting another lottery pick in 2022 as we figure things out.
I still think that the Spurs fall to 9th in the West, and in the playoff play-in. That means that they'd likely picking around 14. Spurs should not trade their pick tbh. They might even find a starter with that pick.

[B1gduff]

We kinda of at a wierd spot. Most of our Rotation looks set for the future.
The two spots we kind of lack, is big Wing and an athetlic Forward.

So i guess we're looking at big3/4 or a high 1-1 defender that can guard 3s/4s.

Personally i had William as my top pick last year, and this year rhat pick is looking like Greg Brown.

Brown fills on alot of checkmarks for us. \

He has the size and length to play the 4, while having the skills of a 3.

I really do like his upside on the defenive end!

Biggest drawback of this is that Brown is a Lotto pick and we probably won't have a shot.

A guy that i Can see landing around our range could be Garuba.

His stock has been falling but he still has one of the highest upside is high.

Two major concerns,
1. His offenive upside, it needs alot of work.
2. his ability to play fefense on rhe perimemter. If he can play on the Perimemter, than he's going to be good, but if he can't he going to be a undersized Center.

Lastly we also have Luka, who's playing like a top 10 picks.

My only concern with him is defensive ability, and that about it.

[Dejounte]

We kinda of at a wierd spot. Most of our Rotation looks set for the future.
The two spots we kind of lack, is big Wing and an athetlic Forward.

So i guess we're looking at big3/4 or a high 1-1 defender that can guard 3s/4s.

Personally i had William as my top pick last year, and this year rhat pick is looking like Greg Brown.

Brown fills on alot of checkmarks for us. \

He has the size and length to play the 4, while having the skills of a 3.

I really do like his upside on the defenive end!

Biggest drawback of this is that Brown is a Lotto pick and we probably won't have a shot.

A guy that i Can see landing around our range could be Garuba.

His stock has been falling but he still has one of the highest upside is high.

Two major concerns,
1. His offenive upside, it needs alot of work.
2. his ability to play fefense on rhe perimemter. If he can play on the Perimemter, than he's going to be good, but if he can't he going to be a undersized Center.

Lastly we also have Luka, who's playing like a top 10 picks.

My only concern with him is defensive ability, and that about it.

This is what's concerning to me about Greg:

https://twitter.com/TerranovaNoah/status/1358182100558622721?s=19

In today's game he had 0 points in 24 minutes.

He seems to have low bball IQ.

I, for one, am tired of dumb players.

[Coach X]

Good post. Thanks Dejounte

You gave the answer;


Athletic Forward, able to do one or more of the following:
-Limited ball handling
-Can mostly only play the 4 in line-ups, too weak to play the 5 unless small ball is utilized
-Covers space on defense excellently
-Sets hard screens and rolls to the rim quickly
-Very effective at blocking weakside shots
-Can guard 1-5, most effective against 3's and 4's
-Can stretch floor with three point shooting
-Able to run with the guards in transition

Current Spurs Players: None

[B1gduff]

This is what's concerning to me about Greg:

https://twitter.com/TerranovaNoah/status/1358182100558622721?s=19

In today's game he had 0 points in 24 minutes.

He seems to have low bball IQ.

I, for one, am tired of dumb players.







That part of the game is a concern, but i trust our development team.

If he has the desire to be great, his willing to work and doesn't have an attitude . I don't mind taking the upside.

[Spur4ever]

We need a rim protecting big that is a GREAT rebounder. Tired of getting out rebounded every night

[The Truth #6]

Athletic forward makes sense. And I can see how you created the choices through position/size, obviously. Another way to look at it is through skill. Skills that I think are desperately lacking: deadly outside shooting, creative playmaking. I think those are a couple of things we are really lacking. Having written it, it makes me wonder about not getting Haliburton now, alas. But it's easier to say that now that we have some improved defense with DJ, White and Devin out there, not to mention more minutes for Yak.

[Fusternino]

A combo (or pure 3) forward as well as a combo (primarily a 4) big.

[B1gduff]

We need a rim protecting big that is a GREAT rebounder. Tired of getting out rebounded every night


I swear we have a guy like that on our roster. Poeltl? he play C and when playing the full games he's averaging over 10 Rebs.


We don't lake a Center, we lack a big and Athetlic 4 that can help Box out and rebound.

[FutureMan]

Best player available who isn’t a guard.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Good thread. There are some interesting projects in the draft and someone is likely to drop. If the Spurs keep their pick and assuming it'd be somewhere in the 12-20 range, here's my list of realistic/semi-realistic targets :

TIER 1 :
- Greg Brown : super raw, but a lot of potential
- Kai Jones : even more raw and even more potential
- Franz Wagner : if other GMs are blind
- Jalen Johnson : if his value dips due to red flags
- Jaden Springer : he's all over the place in mocks, might be long gone, but a very polished player

TIER 2:
- Brandon Boston : huge upside as a shooter/scorer, might find it easier in the NBA than college
- Josh Christopher : big, athletic, polished but hasn't put it all together yet
- Usman Garuba : watched him a few times, looks big, strong, long, enormous defensive upside even on the perimeter, but his offense is very suspect. He's hit some 3s now though, so he's improving

That said, I think it's possible the Spurs zag when everyone zigs and be buyers at the trade deadline. Not sure they'd feel great ending up with another 2 or 3 year project on their hands if they can get someone who's good and fits with the other players right now. Not saying I like him at the max he'd demand, but just as an example the Spurs's first, say top 10 protected, could very likely be the best offer Atlanta would get for John Collins.

[Dejounte]

Good thread. There are some interesting projects in the draft and someone is likely to drop. If the Spurs keep their pick and assuming it'd be somewhere in the 12-20 range, here's my list of realistic/semi-realistic targets :

TIER 1 :
- Greg Brown : super raw, but a lot of potential
- Kai Jones : even more raw and even more potential
- Franz Wagner : if other GMs are blind
- Jalen Johnson : if his value dips due to red flags
- Jaden Springer : he's all over the place in mocks, might be long gone, but a very polished player

TIER 2:
- Brandon Boston : huge upside as a shooter/scorer, might find it easier in the NBA than college
- Josh Christopher : big, athletic, polished but hasn't put it all together yet
- Usman Garuba : watched him a few times, looks big, strong, long, enormous defensive upside even on the perimeter, but his offense is very suspect. He's hit some 3s now though, so he's improving

That said, I think it's possible the Spurs zag when everyone zigs and be buyers at the trade deadline. Not sure they'd feel great ending up with another 2 or 3 year project on their hands if they can get someone who's good and fits with the other players right now. Not saying I like him at the max he'd demand, but just as an example the Spurs's first, say top 10 protected, could very likely be the best offer Atlanta would get for John Collins.

Kai Jones reminds me a LOT of Nicholas Claxton, and Nic hasn't made it in the league. That's what makes me iffy about Kai. He flashes some nice moves, but so did Nic and Nic did it even better. The issue is, Nic isn't explosive enough to make use of all his skills and neither does Kai. That's what impresses me about Luka, he has guard skills but he's also faster than your typical big man (which you need to be to make it in the league).

[RobinsontoDuncan]

I want Ariel Hukporti. Super athletic C that can shoot the 3 and has real polish to his game. Of course, me saying this means that some team I hate will draft him and he’ll become an immediate all star. But that’s what I want them to do, go get an athletic 5 with modern shooting ability and rim protecting ability to develop for the future. I’ve always been a Spurs fan, and the Spurs have always had a dominant big since David Robinson. I just want that to continue.

[Dejounte]

I want Ariel Hukporti. Super athletic C that can shoot the 3 and has real polish to his game. Of course, me saying this means that some team I hate will draft him and he’ll become an immediate all star. But that’s what I want them to do, go get an athletic 5 with modern shooting ability and rim protecting ability to develop for the future. I’ve always been a Spurs fan, and the Spurs have always had a dominant big since David Robinson. I just want that to continue.

I've seen a bit and IMO, he would classify as an athletic forward in this league. His length, stature, and narrow frame doesn't seem to be ideal for an anchor big, he wouldn't cover enough space with his body. While his shooting stroke isn't quite polished enough to be a reliable shooter from 3, I wouldn't classify him as a stretch big either. He looks like a quality rim running, weak side blocking, athletic forward. It's early but he's being projected as undrafted, so if the Spurs want him they could get him.

[rankingtear]

Bennedict Mathurin seems like a good fit. One of the few wings with good shooting touch. He maybe the Pat Williams of this draft.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgU-SPTdpfI&t=19s

[K...]

Hard to know what we need when LMA, Mills, Dero, and Gay are FA. I'm not against trading for a point guard. doing so means Murray and White are on the trading block for another young player or maybe a veteran and a pick. They shouldn't pass up a Halliburton if they can. That said, the time is now to start work on a poertle replacement and get some depth. . An athletic big to force Luka to stay conditioned and motivated

[Dejounte]

Bennedict Mathurin seems like a good fit. One of the few wings with good shooting touch. He maybe the Pat Williams of this draft.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgU-SPTdpfI&t=19s

Thought you made that name up at first. :lmao

Not bad. Looks to be a 3 level scorer. Would like to see a little more burst. Would bolster the depth behind Devin, essentially wiping out Lonnie's minutes.

[Dejounte]

Hard to know what we need when LMA, Mills, Dero, and Gay are FA. I'm not against trading for a point guard. doing so means Murray and White are on the trading block for another young player or maybe a veteran and a pick. They shouldn't pass up a Halliburton if they can. That said, the time is now to start work on a poertle replacement and get some depth. . An athletic big to force Luka to stay conditioned and motivated

Why go young for the sake of going young? If there was a young guard better than Murray or White, why would they be on the trading block? There aren't any more Haliburtons coming, not in the range we're likely to pick anyways. Even then, are we really prepared to go another four years of having a mediocre team because we're starting over with a new point guard who has to learn the system (and because we didn't address our other positions of need)?

[cjw]

Athletic forward is the biggest need. Full stop. Even if Demar leaves, which I’m not sold that he will (I actually think he and Patty both come back) they have enough coverage at 1-2-3 with Jones/Murray/Walker/White/Vassell/Johnson.

That said, if someone ends up falling to them that they have very high on draft boards at one of those slots, you absolutely take them. I think Vassell was in that boat last year despite not being the biggest need. His defensive metrics are high level as a rookie with a shortened training camp, and he has all the tools to be serviceable offensively (will be a high 30s three point shooter).

If they end up with a 2/3, you have to seriously consider moving White, and the athletic forward may come via trade or free agency.

Let’s also not forget that if Demar leaves, they’ll have a massive amount of cap room that isn’t useful just in FA but also for trades if teams need to create room. Plus depending on the destination, Demar could bring back something in a S&T (I think Patty, Gay and Aldridge are all MLE level so not as likely).




We need a rim protecting big that is a GREAT rebounder. Tired of getting out rebounded every night

The Spurs are literally sixth in the league in defensive rebounding and not too far off #2 (New Orleans). Only Milwaukee is better than them. On offensive end, Spurs tend to err on side of preventing transition vs. offensive rebounding. When you have good rebounding guards like Murray, it makes up for less rebounding elsewhere.

[Dejounte]

Athletic forward is the biggest need. Full stop. Even if Demar leaves, which I’m not sold that he will (I actually think he and Patty both come back) they have enough coverage at 1-2-3 with Jones/Murray/Walker/White/Vassell/Johnson.

That said, if someone ends up falling to them that they have very high on draft boards at one of those slots, you absolutely take them. I think Vassell was in that boat last year despite not being the biggest need. His defensive metrics are high level as a rookie with a shortened training camp, and he has all the tools to be serviceable offensively (will be a high 30s three point shooter).

If they end up with a 2/3, you have to seriously consider moving White, and the athletic forward may come via trade or free agency.

Let’s also not forget that if Demar leaves, they’ll have a massive amount of cap room that isn’t useful just in FA but also for trades if teams need to create room. Plus depending on the destination, Demar could bring back something in a S&T (I think Patty, Gay and Aldridge are all MLE level so not as likely).





The Spurs are literally sixth in the league in defensive rebounding and not too far off #2 (New Orleans). Only Milwaukee is better than them. On offensive end, Spurs tend to err on side of preventing transition vs. offensive rebounding. When you have good rebounding guards like Murray, it makes up for less rebounding elsewhere.

Do you think our future four should be a rim rolling Jerami Grant type as opposed to a Pascal Siakam? Pascal is who I thought of when I made my description for "big wing". Someone who could handle the ball a little bit, do some playmaking as our four to keep the opponent guessing.

As far as Vassell goes, I'm starting to think maybe they weren't fully bought in with Lonnie, so they wanted to find another guy to build up into our wing of the future (just like the possibility that they are not convinced by Luka, that they would invest in another stretch big this year).

[rankingtear]

Do you think our future four should be a rim rolling Jerami Grant type as opposed to a Pascal Siakam? That's who I thought of when I made my description for "big wing". Someone who could handle the ball a little bit, do some playmaking as our four to keep the opponent guessing.

As far as Vassell goes, I'm starting to think maybe they weren't fully bought in with Lonnie, so they wanted to find another guy to build up into our wing of the future (just like the possibility that they are not convinced by Luka, that they would invest in another stretch big this year).

I think the optimal lineup is Keldon at the four. When you have a rim protector like Jakob you overload with perimeter oriented players. A Middleton type I think is the ideal player for us maybe one of Vassell/Lonnie is the answer at the starting lineup. That is why i like an athletic shooter like Mathurin over Wagner.

Vassell and Lonnie are the starting wing candidates on the position that would be left by Derozan.

[Dejounte]

I think the optimal lineup is Keldon at the four. When you have a rim protector like Jakob you overload with perimeter oriented players. A Middleton type I think is the ideal player for us maybe one of Vassell/Lonnie is the answer at the starting lineup. That is why i like an athletic shooter like Mathurin over Wagner.

Vassell and Lonnie are the starting wing candidates on the position that would be left by Derozan.

Hmm you're one of the rare few who believe Keldon shouldn't slide down in the event DeMar is gone. I disagree, but I respect it. IMO, you can maintain a perimeter overloaded line-up by sliding down Keldon and adding a taller version (for the sake of not being mismatched against taller fours) of him at the four. Those would still be four perimeter oriented players. rankingtear.

This is my exact line of thinking when I talk about guys like Wagner and Herb Jones, my two most coveted prospects.

[spurspl]

athletic forward/stretch big. not many great stretch bigs in this year draft. So at least for now my favs are: with 1st rnd franz wagner and with 2nd rnd herbert jones. Both 6'8, good defenders and shoot from 3 pt pretty well. I have a feeling that jones gonna be a steal if he stays in the 2nd rnd.

Also matthew hurt looks interesting but not so great defender. He played with tre in duke.

[Dejounte]

athletic forward/stretch big. not many great stretch bigs in this year draft. So at least for now my favs are: with 1st rnd franz wagner and with 2nd rnd herbert jones. Both 6'8, good defenders and shoot from 3 pt pretty well. I have a feeling that jones gonna be a steal if he stays in the 2nd rnd.

Also matthew hurt looks interesting but not so great defender. He played with tre in duke.

Judging from your post, I'm going to assume that half who voted for Athletic Forward really meant to vote for Big Wing. :lmao maybe I should have had a different label for big wing. Either that or the fact that DeMar and Keldon are undersized and it's misleading people to believe all other big wings will be the same size under that category.

IMO, there's a distinct difference between the two (Athletic Forward & Big Wing): one has playmaking skills, the other does not. One has more verticality, the other does not. One has better ball handling skills, the other does not.

I probably should have labeled it "Playmaking Big Forward" instead.

[spurspl]

Judging from your post, I'm going to assume that half who voted for Athletic Forward really meant to vote for Big Wing. :lmao maybe I should have had a different label for big wing. Either that or the fact that DeMar and Keldon are undersized and it's misleading people to believe all other big wings will be the same size under that category.

IMO, there's a distinct difference between the two (Athletic Forward & Big Wing): one has playmaking skills, the other does not. One has more verticality, the other does not. One has better ball handling skills, the other does not.

I probably should have labeled it "Playmaking Big Forward" instead.

lebron has everything and hes a 6'9 point guard.

imo wagner and herbert jones could easily be consider as an athletic forward. They both can play at 3 and 4. Both have sizes (6'8), wagner will probably grow 1-2 inches- hes young and his brother is 6-11. Herbert is way more athletic. They probably wont cover centers but we already have poeltl and eubanks for that job. Other guys in nba that play 4: tatum (6'8), siakam(6'9), collins(6'9).
murray/tre
white/vassell/lonnie
keldon/herbert
franz/samanic
poeltl/eubanks

[Dejounte]

lebron has everything and hes a 6'9 point guard.

imo wagner and herbert jones could easily be consider as an athletic forward. They both can play at 3 and 4. Both have sizes (6'8), wagner will probably grow 1-2 inches- hes young and his brother is 6-11. Herbert is way more athletic. They probably wont cover centers but we already have poeltl and eubanks for that job. Other guys in nba that play 4: tatum (6'8), siakam(6'9), collins(6'9).
murray/tre
vassell/lonnie
keldon/herbert
franz/samanic
poeltl/eubanks

I think we're arguing semantics at this point.

I tried to layout descriptions for each archetype so that we're all on the same page, but people like you want to cling onto pre-defined notions of what Athletic Forward means to you.

LeBron is not a full-time point guard. He shares those duties. He would classify under what I described as Big Wing or now known as Playmaking Big Forward. You just have to go to the opening post and read each bullet point.

Being a big wing/playmaking big forward doesn't mean you aren't athletic or not tall. Read the descriptions.

[TD 21]

Positionally/role wise, big wing. Skillset wise, sniper.

None of the youth are movement or pullup 3-point shooters and the only ones who are average or better in terms of combining percentage and volume from 3, are White, Walker, Vassell.

[rankingtear]

Positionally/role wise, big wing. Skillset wise, sniper.

None of the youth are movement or pullup 3-point shooters and the only ones who are average or better in terms of combining percentage and volume from 3, are White, Walker, Vassell.

Yeah our offense can't survive with another stationary three point shooter. I don't like the fit with Franz or Herb, especially Herb 1.7 attempts and senior jump are common red flags.

[pad300]

What we really need to draft is a guy (whatever the position) who has the ability to be a legitimate #1 option on a championship worthy team... Admittedly that's proved, IMO, by the doing. We have a several guys who are good enough to be starters on a championship team (again, IMO : Keldon, White, DJ, maybe Vassel, maybe Samanic, maybe even Tre Jones & Lonnie *). But if we are going to compete, we need that guy. IMO, it's not Demar nor are we going to get said guy through FA/Trade. That leaves the draft, and IMO pushes us towards picking high potential, even if there is more risk...

So, Best Potential Available, regardless of position.

*Note that Poeltl isn't on this list - he is currently fatally flawed. It's not that he has to score a specified amount (KobesAchilles), but he has to be able to shoot at least 60% on FT's, and punish a team that puts a small (=<6'8") on him; he hasn't demonstrated either of those and he's in year 5 in the NBA.

[BackHome]

I really like Franz but will be drafting in the range of 18 - 23 which probably puts the best available players as Centers and PF so do you draft best talent or need?

It's going to be a weird draft but will start learning on what the Spurs are going to do with LMA, Deroz, Mills, Lyles, Rudy - Just looking at that we could easily be loosing 3 big men in Rudy, LMA, and Lyles - leaving us only Poodle, Eubanks, and Luka.

We set at PG starting and backup - We set at SG starting and backup - We a little thin on SF - We are weak at PF - We are OK at Center but no real backup

[Dejounte]

Positionally/role wise, big wing. Skillset wise, sniper.

None of the youth are movement or pullup 3-point shooters and the only ones who are average or better in terms of combining percentage and volume from 3, are White, Walker, Vassell.

I agree to a certain extent. I think no matter how pure of a shooter you are, there will be nights where the shots aren't falling and when that's happening, what else are you providing? Are you giving good defense like Vassell? When no one is creating shots, can they break down a defender? This is my basis for the future starting four-- to be more skilled than your average forward. Dynamic guys over one dimensional (includes pure shooters, players who rely on athleticism, players who can generate assists but can't shoot, etc.) guys, basically.

[Dejounte]

What we really need to draft is a guy (whatever the position) who has the ability to be a legitimate #1 option on a championship worthy team... Admittedly that's proved, IMO, by the doing. We have a several guys who are good enough to be starters on a championship team (again, IMO : Keldon, White, DJ, maybe Vassel, maybe Samanic, maybe even Tre Jones & Lonnie *). But if we are going to compete, we need that guy. IMO, it's not Demar nor are we going to get said guy through FA/Trade. That leaves the draft, and IMO pushes us towards picking high potential, even if there is more risk...

So, Best Potential Available, regardless of position.

*Note that Poeltl isn't on this list - he is currently fatally flawed. It's not that he has to score a specified amount (KobesAchilles), but he has to be able to shoot at least 60% on FT's, and punish a team that puts a small (=<6'8") on him; he hasn't demonstrated either of those and he's in year 5 in the NBA.

So more Luka Samanic type picks over Devin Vassell type picks. Gotcha.

Honestly, any player's perceived ceiling instantly raises when you're drafted by the Spurs. I'm fine with prospects who look like they have it all figured out and know how to play basketball, rather than the raw kid who has all the physical tools. The Spurs can work with both types of guys.

[PrimeMinister]

in the 15-20 range if Greg Brown is there, you take him. The fit and potential is there. He reminds me a lot of Patrick Williams at FSU last year.

Jalen Johnson interests me with his combination of physical tools and offensive versatility. Like a slow mo archetype with more athleticism and mobility. Not putting too much stock into him opting out and choosing not to play for free and risk hurting himself. NCAA deserves it and the predraft process will give the org the chance to figure out how he will work to improve in the NBA. Likely he's well gone by the time we pick but I see him being one of the better long term players in this draft and the idea of him coming off the bench as a shot creating 4 is nice.

Give me Wagner if the other 2 are not available. We can develop shooters- I'm not worried if they aren't hitting 40% from 3 at 19.

[Seventyniner]

I've seen a bit and IMO, he would classify as an athletic forward in this league. His length, stature, and narrow frame doesn't seem to be ideal for an anchor big, he wouldn't cover enough space with his body. While his shooting stroke isn't quite polished enough to be a reliable shooter from 3, I wouldn't classify him as a stretch big either. He looks like a quality rim running, weak side blocking, athletic forward. It's early but he's being projected as undrafted, so if the Spurs want him they could get him.

Another consequence of this draft being so deep is that the undrafted player pool will also be better than normal. I would love for the NBA to expand G-League and big league rosters and reward good scouting as in baseball, but that's another discussion.

[cjw]

Do you think our future four should be a rim rolling Jerami Grant type as opposed to a Pascal Siakam? Pascal is who I thought of when I made my description for "big wing". Someone who could handle the ball a little bit, do some playmaking as our four to keep the opponent guessing.

As far as Vassell goes, I'm starting to think maybe they weren't fully bought in with Lonnie, so they wanted to find another guy to build up into our wing of the future (just like the possibility that they are not convinced by Luka, that they would invest in another stretch big this year).

It sure is a luxury to hit on most of your picks and then lock them into what will end up as bargain deals. Agree on Vassell/Walker though part of it may have been Vassell having a very high draft grade (and when deciding between him and Halliburton, already full at that position). Those were the two guys screaming to be taken at that spot.

I think the Siakam vs. Grant comparison depends on Demar. If the Spurs are keeping him, you’re less concerned with getting a Siakam type as there are adequate creators. Also depends on where they see Luka and KJ shaking out in terms of role.

I’d lean the Grant-type route over Siakam-type (not saying I’d take Grant over Siakam, just player type).

[Dejounte]

It sure is a luxury to hit on most of your picks and then lock them into what will end up as bargain deals. Agree on Vassell/Walker though part of it may have been Vassell having a very high draft grade (and when deciding between him and Halliburton, already full at that position). Those were the two guys screaming to be taken at that spot.

I think the Siakam vs. Grant comparison depends on Demar. If the Spurs are keeping him, you’re less concerned with getting a Siakam type as there are adequate creators. Also depends on where they see Luka and KJ shaking out in terms of role.

I’d lean the Grant-type route over Siakam-type (not saying I’d take Grant over Siakam, just player type).

All great points. I agree.

[BackHome]

Looking at the range of 18 -24 i am looking at:

Best SG/SF instant offense.
1. Ayo Dosunmu 6'5 PG/SG Villanova - Averaging 21.2 Pts and 5.0 Rebounds a game instant offense
2. Terrence Shannon Jr SG Texas Tech - Averaging 18.0 pts and 7.0 Rebounds a game also good offense and defense
3. Keyontae Johnson 6'6 Florida SF- Was averaging 28.4pts and 8 Rebounds a game before heart issue

Best Big Men.
1. Day'Ron Sharpe 6'11 C North Carolina - Averaging 20pts and 14.4 Rebounds a game
2. Greg Brown 6'9 PF UT - Averaging 17.3 pts and 12.1 Rebounds - Early in season he was looked as lottery but since he has 33 turnovers his stock has tanked
3. Isaiah Jackson 6 '9 wing 7.0 - Athletic rim running shot blocker

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Looking at the range of 18 -24 i am looking at:

Best SG/SF instant offense.
1. Ayo Dosunmu 6'5 PG/SG Villanova - Averaging 21.2 Pts and 5.0 Rebounds a game instant offense
2. Terrence Shannon Jr SG Texas Tech - Averaging 18.0 pts and 7.0 Rebounds a game also good offense and defense
3. Keyontae Johnson 6'6 Florida SF- Was averaging 28.4pts and 8 Rebounds a game before heart issue

Best Big Men.
1. Day'Ron Sharpe 6'11 C North Carolina - Averaging 20pts and 14.4 Rebounds a game
2. Greg Brown 6'9 PF UT - Averaging 17.3 pts and 12.1 Rebounds - Early in season he was looked as lottery but since he has 33 turnovers his stock has tanked
3. Isaiah Jackson 6 '9 wing 7.0 - Athletic rim running shot blocker

These stats are on a per 36 base, not per game.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/MaxFeldman6/status/1363581443532816384?s=19

Vrenz might be the guy for some people looking for sharp shooters.

[BackHome]

These stats are on a per 36 base, not per game.

Yeah, sorry I didn't put that in thanks for catching that BG

,

[Dejounte]

Stretch big - potential Luka replacement: Alperen Sengun

https://twitter.com/EmilianoNaiar8/status/1363526394551140355?s=19

[Dejounte]

Athletic forward - fills rim rolling need and adds weakside blocking - Usman Garuba

https://twitter.com/AhbAnalytics/status/1363589362542276610?s=19

[Dejounte]

Combo guard - potential X-factor and Lonnie replacement - Ayo Dosunmu

https://twitter.com/MaxFeldman6/status/1363587727325814787?s=19

[TD 21]

Yeah our offense can't survive with another stationary three point shooter. I don't like the fit with Franz or Herb, especially Herb 1.7 attempts and senior jump are common red flags.

People defaulting to "not worried about shooting, Engelleand will fix it" are missing the point. Every core piece can't range from slightly above average to bare minimum, especially when none are dynamic creators either. That's an untenable combination.



I agree to a certain extent. I think no matter how pure of a shooter you are, there will be nights where the shots aren't falling and when that's happening, what else are you providing? Are you giving good defense like Vassell? When no one is creating shots, can they break down a defender? This is my basis for the future starting four-- to be more skilled than your average forward. Dynamic guys over one dimensional (includes pure shooters, players who rely on athleticism, players who can generate assists but can't shoot, etc.) guys, basically.

Not suggesting specialists (they're fine if you have elite creators), but you need pullup/movement volume 3-point shooters because whether they're on in a particular game(s) or not, they warp defenses.

The pullup ones increase the pickup point of the big defending the pnr (hedging/trapping), which creates 4 on 3s and the movement ones often force the big defending the final screen (before coming off) to step out, which creates pocket passes for either uncontested layups/dunks or if the weakside rotates in time, kickouts for wide open corner spot up 3s.

[BackHome]

Combo guard - potential X-factor and Lonnie replacement - Ayo Dosunmu

https://twitter.com/MaxFeldman6/status/1363587727325814787?s=19


Yeah if he is there I would draft him and try to package Walker to get draft pick or a player of need PF/C

[Dejounte]

Stretch Big - Potential Luka Samanic replacement - Isaiah Todd

https://twitter.com/brhoops/status/1363623702684958720?s=19

[KobesAchilles]

The more I’m paying attention to Collins the more I don’t want to pay him the max. Though we are going to have to pay somebody and taking a chance on a young up and coming big man is typically a good bet. But I’m not sure he addresses any needs.

ontoh maybe re-signing DDR and drafting a stretch big man is the way for us to go for the future

[Dejounte]

The more I’m paying attention to Collins the more I don’t want to pay him the max. Though we are going to have to pay somebody and taking a chance on a young up and coming big man is typically a good bet. But I’m not sure he addresses any needs.

ontoh maybe re-signing DDR and drafting a stretch big man is the way for us to go for the future

Trade for another team's RFA (ahem Duncan Robinson)

Problem solved with the cap room we have.

[KobesAchilles]

Trade for another team's RFA (ahem Duncan Robinson)

Problem solved with the cap room we have.
Can he rebound though?

[Dejounte]

Can he rebound though?

Nah, it's less about addressing our needs but more on not letting our cap room go to waste by not going after any players. Since the unrestricted free agent market is bad, it's worth a look at restricted FAs who other teams don't want to pay to keep.

[Sugus]

Trade for another team's RFA (ahem Duncan Robinson)

Problem solved with the cap room we have.

How do you feel about Robinson's defense, D? I'm obviously drawn to his volume shooting, and he's definitely an overall positive impact player, but his defensive shortcomings worry me a bit, especially when they look to be more physique/body-based than IQ/experience-based ones. And how much do you think he'd cost to snatch him from Miami as a FA? I don't see the Spurs and Miami making trades this season, especially not one that results in Miami losing a big player of their rotation given their season objective...

[Dejounte]

How do you feel about Robinson's defense, D? I'm obviously drawn to his volume shooting, and he's definitely an overall positive impact player, but his defensive shortcomings worry me a bit, especially when they look to be more physique/body-based than IQ/experience-based ones. And how much do you think he'd cost to snatch him from Miami as a FA? I don't see the Spurs and Miami making trades this season, especially not one that results in Miami losing a big player of their rotation given their season objective...

I actually only have a casual fan's exposure to Duncan Robinson lmao

All I know is he lit it up in last year's playoffs.

Check the trade deadline thread, someone said there's a rumor that the Heat want to get DeMar by giving us your boy Precious and Duncan...

[Dejounte]

Wing - Would add depth behind Devin Vassell - Terrence Shannon Jr.

https://twitter.com/_proinsight/status/1363882455803916288?s=19

Personally not a fan. Doesn't look quick, isn't a sharp shooter. Looks somewhat smart on defense though. Short wingspan.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Our team will need more size moving forward. Ideally a big that can shoot threes and free throws. We're a pretty small team once you take LMA and Gay off the roster.

[The Truth #6]

Trading Demar for Precious and Duncan Robinson? It fills two needs. My immediate reaction is: yes, please. But why would Miami do this?

(On a tangent, I would look forward to the Pizza Hut commercial with Duncan Robinson delivering a pizza to Tim Duncan and David Robinson.)

[The Truth #6]

I’m digging this thread overall, Dejounte.

The challenge I see is that there are certain things we want from a player, which is the easier part, but given our likely draft position, we will likely get a player with either youth/inexperience, or someone with a notable skill who has flaws.

Being a little bit sarcastic, but is there a big man who passes and shoots well but has really bad knees and is slow? We might end up with someone like that.

[Dejounte]

I’m digging this thread overall, Dejounte.

The challenge I see is that there are certain things we want from a player, which is the easier part, but given our likely draft position, we will likely get a player with either youth/inexperience, or someone with a notable skill who has flaws.

Being a little bit sarcastic, but is there a big man who passes and shoots well but has really bad knees and is slow? We might end up with someone like that.

People are saying this draft is deep and from what I can tell, it IS deep for guards and forwards. Last year's draft was deeper for big men. The real talent pool is from 1 to 15. Everything after is tougher to gauge, but I'm confident the Spurs will pull through again.

[Seventyniner]

Trading Demar for Precious and Duncan Robinson? It fills two needs. My immediate reaction is: yes, please. But why would Miami do this?

(On a tangent, I would look forward to the Pizza Hut commercial with Duncan Robinson delivering a pizza to Tim Duncan and David Robinson.)

Bonus points if Duncan Robinson wears jersey #71.

[Sugus]

I actually only have a casual fan's exposure to Duncan Robinson lmao

All I know is he lit it up in last year's playoffs.

Check the trade deadline thread, someone said there's a rumor that the Heat want to get DeMar by giving us your boy Precious and Duncan...

Lol, it's fine, I don't keep up with Miami all that much either. Something about their current team is really unlikeable to me, idk what, maybe Butler and his foul-drawing antics or something. Either way, I don't really see Miami doing that trade sadly... But I don't like Robinson, so maybe it's a W in disguise.

Boy, how'd I like a minor trade where Miami just ships us Achiuwa. I'll be holding out hope... :depressed

[R. DeMurre]

Nice thread. At this point I think I'd lean towards BPA. I like what the Spurs have and think Dejounte, White, Vassell, KJ, and Poeltl can all definitely be impact players on a team with a shot at a championship, but we don't have that one dominant guy to build around yet. I'd prefer someone 6'8" or taller so that all of those guys still get their minutes, but if the BPA is shorter I wouldn't be opposed to using Walker + parts to address, say, a PF or C who can shoot, rebound, & play D. I don't think it's impossible for a team that goes seven/eight deep with all positive impact players to beat a team with a superstar or two, but it is less likely. I do like the idea of KJ & Vassell sliding down to SF & SG, where they can have a size advantage, rather than sliding up to PF & SF, where they'd both lose that advantage.

[Dejounte]

More of this guy...

Stretch big -- Possible Luka Samanic replacement? -- Alperen Sengun

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1364034442864558083?s=19

Honestly, liking the idea of this guy more and more. Maybe if both he and Luka pan out they can play together. It could be another DJ & White situation but at different positions. The guy is straight up dominating his league as an 18 year old.

[Thomas82]

I want Ariel Hukporti. Super athletic C that can shoot the 3 and has real polish to his game. Of course, me saying this means that some team I hate will draft him and he’ll become an immediate all star. But that’s what I want them to do, go get an athletic 5 with modern shooting ability and rim protecting ability to develop for the future. I’ve always been a Spurs fan, and the Spurs have always had a dominant big since David Robinson. I just want that to continue.

I thought I was the only one. But I've been ready for our next superstar big man since Tim Duncan retired.

[pad300]

More of this guy...

Stretch big -- Possible Luka Samanic replacement? -- Alperen Sengun

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1364034442864558083?s=19

Honestly, liking the idea of this guy more and more. Maybe if both he and Luka pan out they can play together. It could be another DJ & White situation but at different positions. The guy is straight up dominating his league as an 18 year old.

If Sengun falls to us, I would be happy with drafting him. He's the single best player in the Turkish league at 18! That's a men's league where they get paid to win... However, I think he's got a chance to break into the top 5 in this draft, despite how loaded it is.

Another international to watch for would be Yoan Makoundou :

https://jtmbasketball.blogspot.com/2021/02/circling-globe-part-2-yoan-makoundou.html

He's a major league athlete (the second coming of Clint Capela) with size (7'3.5" wingspan). He's also smart & a good learner; he started playing at 14, and now is good enough to play French Pro A (top league in France) at 20.

[rah88sa]

Assuming LMA walks after this season we will need someone who can play the 5. We can't close games with Poeltl on the floor when teams decide to play hack-a-Poeltl, and I'm not happy with the idea of Eubanks closing games.

[Dejounte]

Assuming LMA walks after this season we will need someone who can play the 5. We can't close games with Poeltl on the floor when teams decide to play hack-a-Poeltl, and I'm not happy with the idea of Eubanks closing games.

Anchor big that can actually finish and shoot free throws or stretch big?

I'm leaning on stretch big for a closing 5 to give the offense a little more dynamic. If we just get another Poetl who knows how to finish and can hit free throws and not necessarily add spacing, that wouldn't be bad either.

[look_at_g_shred]

When is the draft this year? August?

[Dejounte]

Early rankings:

Tier 1

Franz Wagner (Playmaking Big Forward)
Jalen Johnson (Playmaking Big Forward)

Tier 2

Scottie Barnes (Playmaking Big Forward)
Alperen Sengun (Stretch Big)
Herb Jones (Playmaking Big Forward)
Ayo Dosunmu (Combo Guard)

Tier 3

Ziaire Williams (Wing)
Greg Brown (Athletic Forward)
Sandro Mamukelashvili (Playmaking Big Forward)
Amar Sylla (Athletic Forward)
Isaiah Todd (Stretch Big)

Tier 4

Kai Jones (Stretch Big)
Brandon Boston Jr. (Wing)
Usman Garuba (Athletic Forward)
Vrenz Bleijenbergh (Playmaking Big Forward)
Trendon Watford (Playmaking Big Forward)
Isaiah Jackson (Anchor Big)

Tier 5

Terrence Shannon Jr (Wing)

Doesn't include projected top 10 players like Mobley, Cunningham, Kuminga, etc.

[J_Paco]

Stretch Big - Potential Luka Samanic replacement - Isaiah Todd

https://twitter.com/brhoops/status/1363623702684958720?s=19


Athletic forward - fills rim rolling need and adds weakside blocking - Usman Garuba

https://twitter.com/AhbAnalytics/status/1363589362542276610?s=19


Stretch big - potential Luka replacement: Alperen Sengun

https://twitter.com/EmilianoNaiar8/status/1363526394551140355?s=19

Where are these three being slotted in mock drafts, DeJounte? I'd love these type of players but my only concern is they have a high propensity to bust.

Still, the team definitely needs more size, athleticism & interior defense to all our guard depth.

Also, I don't think the team is in the "replacement finding" mode and are just stocking piling assets/talent looking for their next star. Sorry, I know it is just semantics but I'm neurotic like that....

[Dejounte]

Todd is not even being mocked right now, but I suspect he will be a riser

Usman is consistently in the 15-25 range, same as Alperen (though Alperen is rising up to 10 lately)
J_Paco

[J_Paco]

Todd is not even being mocked right now, but I suspect he will be a riser

Usman is consistently in the 15-25 range, same as Alperen (though Alperen is rising up to 10 lately)
J_Paco

Todd looks physically a lot like Garnett or Bosh and seems to have a mid - range game too. Has he shown the ability to make them out to three - point range?

And other than an elite, playmaking, shot creating combo forward (ala Doncic, Nephew, Butler, George, Durant, James etc.) (duh, all the non - title contending want this type) the biggest need is a multi - skilled big man that can stretch the floor and/or rim run.

Neither is easily obtained but are what we really lack since I like all our current young guys.


Luka could provide the latter but bringing in another prospect that can push or surpass him in the hierarchy isn't a bad strategy. I'm hopeful you're right and Pop finds minutes for him with the team extremely shorthanded.

[Dejounte]

Todd looks physically a lot like Garnett or Bosh and seems to have a mid - range game too. Has he shown the ability to make them out to three - point range?

And other than an elite, playmaking, shot creating combo forward (ala Doncic, Nephew, Butler, George, Durant, James etc.) (duh, all the non - title contending want this type) the biggest need is a multi - skilled big man that can stretch the floor and/or rim run.

Neither is easily obtained but are what we really lack since I like all our current young guys.


Luka could provide the latter but bringing in another prospect that can push or surpass him in the hierarchy isn't a bad strategy. I'm hopeful you're right and Pop finds minutes for him with the team extremely shorthanded.

I'm with you. Todd certainly looks the part. I haven't seen a complete game of his, but maybe something is off that we aren't seeing on the surface. Like perhaps his defense isn't good. And yes, I've seen him hit threes.

Like I've been saying since the season started, this upcoming offseason will be the biggest and most exciting one yet. We'll know what the Spurs are going to commit to for a long time starting this offseason.

[rah88sa]

I'm with you. Todd certainly looks the part. I haven't seen a complete game of his, but maybe something is off that we aren't seeing on the surface. Like perhaps his defense isn't good. And yes, I've seen him hit threes.

Like I've been saying since the season started, this upcoming offseason will be the biggest and most exciting one yet. We'll know what the Spurs are going to commit to for a long time starting this offseason.

A stretch big would be nice.

Now I wouldn't be against finding a Lonnie Walker replacement either if the right guy falls to us...

[Sugus]

A stretch big would be nice.

Now I wouldn't be against finding a Lonnie Walker replacement either if the right guy falls to us...

I'd say ideally, the Lonnie Walker replacement (starting SG spot, for now that is) is already on the team - Vassell. They don't have exactly similar games, but if Vassell improves his driving and ball-handling skills, he could become a secondary creator off the dribble consistently, beyond his already good shooting and excellent defensive presence. His size and length would be heightened advantages playing at the 2 instead of the 3, the same for Keldon if he could move down to SF, in a case where the Spurs either get Collins in FA, or draft a promising, high-floor PF like Wagner.

I still think White's ideal role is leading the bench unit first (maybe as a ball-handling SG alongside Tre, we'll see how that goes) then staggering his minutes to play alongside DJ as needed, depending on the opposite teams' strength at the 1-2. So a SL of Murray-Vassell-Keldon-Wagner-Poeltl offers you smothering defense, switchability and length at every position, a good amount of shooters (all of them would have to up their shooting volume a bit, except for Poeltl of course) and ball-handlers.s

If Lonnie doesn't pick it up soon enough, and the Spurs start to look elsewhere on the team to fill his position, he really could be on the outside looking in starting next season. This will be by far Lonnie's most important off-season...

[Dejounte]

Todd is not even being mocked right now, but I suspect he will be a riser

Usman is consistently in the 15-25 range, same as Alperen (though Alperen is rising up to 10 lately)
J_Paco

About Todd not being mocked, from today's ESPN article:

Isaiah Todd: From afterthought to first-rounder?
Todd has helped himself as much as any player in the bubble so far. After entering the G League season projected to go undrafted, he has dropped enough glimpses of potential that some executives are openly considering his candidacy as a first-round pick.

There aren't many big men in the G League who have shown better perimeter shooting ability than the 6-foot-10 Todd has thus far, hitting 39% of his 3-point attempts. He has picture-perfect mechanics both with his feet set and even off movement -- Todd can pull up off the dribble or come off a screen (mostly midrange curls) in small doses. There's a theoretical quality to Todd's game that doesn't fully translate to game settings just yet, but watching him in warm-ups or drill situations reveals a very high skill level that could potentially be honed into a real weapon over time.

For as interesting as Todd's shooting stroke is, he's a fairly limited offensive player at this time, as evidenced by his poor 40% 2-point percentage, and the fact that he has dished out just 3 assists in 202 minutes of action thus far, ranking dead last among all players in assist percentage in the ESPN top-100 prospect rankings. It's difficult to find many power forwards in the NBA who have such limited ability to make decisions on the fly and make plays out of simple actions -- this is by far the biggest thing he'll have to work on. Patterning his game on NBA players such as JaMychal Green and Bobby Portis will likely represent Todd's best path to success.

Defensively, Todd has unquestionably been the Ignite's hardest-working player so far. He's blessed with outstanding mobility that allows him to cover ground seamlessly on closeouts, get back in transition to challenge shots at the rim and even sit down in a stance and slide his feet against smaller players on switches much more effectively than you'd expect.

Todd isn't much of a playmaker on the defensive end, averaging a paltry 7.5 rebounds, 0.6 steals and 0.8 blocks per 40 minutes, which underscores his lack of length (7-foot-1 wingspan) and the fact that the game simply moves too fast for him at this stage -- something that has long been considered his biggest weakness. While he plays hard, he's not a very physical big man on top of that, partially due to his slender frame. While theoretically you'd like to see a big man his size slide up to the center position at times in smaller, stretchier lineups, there are real question marks about whether Todd's frame and lack of defensive rebounding will allow him to do so, which renders him less versatile than most teams want to see from a modern big man.

Many eyebrows were raised around the basketball industry when Todd opted to forgo a scholarship at Michigan for the G League Ignite program, but that decision appears to be paying off in a major way thus far. It's unclear what kind of role he would have had for a stacked Michigan frontcourt, or how well his style of play would have fit into its offense. There's no question that the uptempo style of play of the G League suits his game better, helping Todd solidify his standing as a potential draft pick, and possibly even as a first-round pick depending on how the rest of his season and the pre-draft process goes.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/30962772/what-learned-g-league-bubble-jonathan-kuminga-jalen-green-nba-next-stars

[Dejounte]

Playmaking Big Forward - Potential Spurs Starting Four - Franz Wagner


https://youtu.be/axkVhQI89Co

[mo7888]

Playmaking Big Forward - Potential Spurs Starting Four - Franz Wagner


https://youtu.be/axkVhQI89Co

He looks better and better everytime I see him...

[Sugus]

Playmaking Big Forward - Potential Spurs Starting Four - Franz Wagner


https://youtu.be/axkVhQI89Co

What pick range do you think he ends up going at, D? Wagner looks to be everything the Spurs could wish for at the 4. Would love to draft him.

[Dejounte]

What pick range do you think he ends up going at, D? Wagner looks to be everything the Spurs could wish for at the 4. Would love to draft him.

The Grizzlies draft well, so whatever draft position they end up at will be Wagner's lower limit... As far as how high, well I guess it depends how far Wagner's team goes in the tournament. I don't think his skills alone (because it isn't flashy enough) can vault him into the top 10. His team will have to garner enough media attention for him to be recognized by everyone. Obviously he won't end up top 5, so we look at which teams are likely to draft 6-15...

-Kings already have Woodard
-Magic might need him, but they might fall in love with Scottie Barnes since he might remind them of their T-Mac days
-Pelicans have a tendency of drafting flashier guys, I think
-I could see Atlanta taking him
-Celtics are loaded at his position, so not them
-Thunder might take him because Presti, but the Poku pick tells me they'd rather swing for the fences
-Knicks don't look like they take players like Wagner, especially after their multiple Euro busts

[bluebellmaniac]

So he could go to any of those teams you mentioned if they are ahead of us in the draft. So who would be your 2nd option?

[Dejounte]

So he could go to any of those teams you mentioned if they are ahead of us in the draft. So who would be your 2nd option?

How'd you gather that from what I posted? Haha, I was saying I think only Grizzlies, Hawks, and Thunder might be the main threats to taking Wagner.

As far as who is my next option after Wagner, I posted this earlier:

Tier 1

Franz Wagner (Playmaking Big Forward)
Jalen Johnson (Playmaking Big Forward)

Tier 2

Scottie Barnes (Playmaking Big Forward)
Alperen Sengun (Stretch Big)
Herb Jones (Playmaking Big Forward)
Ayo Dosunmu (Combo Guard)

Tier 3

Ziaire Williams (Wing)
Greg Brown (Athletic Forward)
Sandro Mamukelashvili (Playmaking Big Forward)
Amar Sylla (Athletic Forward)
Isaiah Todd (Stretch Big)

Tier 4

Kai Jones (Stretch Big)
Brandon Boston Jr. (Wing)
Usman Garuba (Athletic Forward)
Vrenz Bleijenbergh (Playmaking Big Forward)
Trendon Watford (Playmaking Big Forward)
Isaiah Jackson (Anchor Big)

Tier 5

Terrence Shannon Jr (Wing)

So, Jalen Johnson would be next despite his character concerns... and if he's not there, just move down the list and so forth.

[the golden era]

He looks slow footed to me, and the league mandates guarding out to three and pick and roll. Other than that skill set looks pretty awesome. Referring to the Turk

[bluebellmaniac]

How'd you gather that from what I posted? Haha, I was saying I think only Grizzlies, Hawks, and Thunder might be the main threats to taking Wagner.

As far as who is my next option after Wagner, I posted this earlier:

Tier 1

Franz Wagner (Playmaking Big Forward)
Jalen Johnson (Playmaking Big Forward)

Tier 2

Scottie Barnes (Playmaking Big Forward)
Alperen Sengun (Stretch Big)
Herb Jones (Playmaking Big Forward)
Ayo Dosunmu (Combo Guard)

Tier 3

Ziaire Williams (Wing)
Greg Brown (Athletic Forward)
Sandro Mamukelashvili (Playmaking Big Forward)
Amar Sylla (Athletic Forward)
Isaiah Todd (Stretch Big)

Tier 4

Kai Jones (Stretch Big)
Brandon Boston Jr. (Wing)
Usman Garuba (Athletic Forward)
Vrenz Bleijenbergh (Playmaking Big Forward)
Trendon Watford (Playmaking Big Forward)
Isaiah Jackson (Anchor Big)

Tier 5

Terrence Shannon Jr (Wing)

So, Jalen Johnson would be next despite his character concerns... and if he's not there, just move down the list and so forth.

I forgot: what does Playmaking Big Forward equate to in the poll? Can't figure it out for some reason....

[Dejounte]

I forgot: what does Playmaking Big Forward equate to in the poll? Can't figure it out for some reason....

Big Wing (also refer to opening post for description)

[bluebellmaniac]

Thx

[Russ]

What should the Spurs be looking for?

A long, athletic 3 who can also play defense and fling from downtown. He can slide up the position tree or he can go down. And he never complains.

Just like every other team in the league.

[The Truth #6]

What should the Spurs be looking for?

A long, athletic 3 who can also play defense and fling from downtown. He can slide up the position tree or he can go down. And he never complains.

Just like every other team in the league.

Isn’t Keldon fairly close to that? Not great outside shooting but decent. I still see a 4 who can pass and shoot being the priority, even if not superbly athletic.

[bluebellmaniac]

So Franz is a big wing and you're calling Renfro an Athletic Forward?

[Dejounte]

So Franz is a big wing and you're calling Renfro an Athletic Forward?

Yes, because Franz can handle the ball for longer stretches and Renfro is a high flyer.

[spurraider21]

John Collins would fit one huge need.

we basically need a guy to fill the role we hope samanic will, and a guy to play the role Lonnie was meant to

[bluebellmaniac]

Yes, because Franz can handle the ball for longer stretches and Renfro is a high flyer.

*Quickly Google's 'nba vernacular "high flyer" '*

[Dejounte]

*Quickly Google's 'nba vernacular "high flyer" '*

Player who relies more on his jumping ability to make things happen, usually for easy shots on offense (players can throw lobs on offense, or he can dunk the ball) or blocks the ball in a way most other players can't (they'll keep up with the player with their exceptional speed and their explosive jumping ability)

Think Athletic Forwards as your Blake Griffins, Amare Stoudamires, Shawn Kemps

[Dejounte]

Three of the mentioned prospects (G. Brown, K. Jones, T.Shannon Jr.) are on local TV (CBS) right now

Edit: ugh, Greg Brown taking ill-advised shots

[Dejounte]

Oh boy,

Kai and Greg both having little to no impact on this game. Probably will drop these guys a tier or two.

[R. DeMurre]

Player who relies more on his jumping ability to make things happen, usually for easy shots on offense (players can throw lobs on offense, or he can dunk the ball) or blocks the ball in a way most other players can't (they'll keep up with the player with their exceptional speed and their explosive jumping ability)

Think Athletic Forwards as your Blake Griffins, Amare Stoudamires, Shawn Kemps

This list reads more like "guys who relied too heavily on physical gifts to the detriment of developing all around skills." 38 seasons between them and zero rings.

[Dejounte]

This list reads more like "guys who relied too heavily on physical gifts to the detriment of developing all around skills." 38 seasons between them and zero rings.

Agreed. That's why my preference is more for guys with skill. An athletic forward like that has a place on a roster, but not where they are a focal point on a team. I think the current Spurs roster would benefit having a guy like that though.

I think it's worth noting that those types are more attainable for cheap (Renfro) and probably not a type a team should invest in with a first round pick.

There WAS a time in the NBA that teams would throw ten first round picks at it though. Not these days.

To me, priority goes like this:

1) Big Wing aka Playmaking Big Forward (who could play the four part-time or full-time)
2) Stretch Big, to add depth in that area if nothing else
3) Wing

[pad300]

... 38 seasons between them and zero rings.

Dude, that's the fate of the vast majority of NBA players. Only those guys who are lucky enough to end up on the right team at the right time get rings. You need:


What we really need to draft is a guy (whatever the position) who has the ability to be a legitimate #1 option on a championship worthy team... Admittedly that's proved, IMO, by the doing. We have a several guys who are good enough to be starters on a championship team (again, IMO : Keldon, White, DJ, maybe Vassel, maybe Samanic, maybe even Tre Jones & Lonnie *). But if we are going to compete, we need that guy. IMO, it's not Demar nor are we going to get said guy through FA/Trade. That leaves the draft, and IMO pushes us towards picking high potential, even if there is more risk...

So, Best Potential Available, regardless of position.


Finding that guy, especially through later picks, is HARD, so I suspect we should all get ready for some busts...or at least long development cycles.

[Dejounte]

Dude, that's the fate of the vast majority of NBA players. Only those guys who are lucky enough to end up on the right team at the right time get rings. You need:



Finding that guy, especially through later picks, is HARD, so I suspect we should all get ready for some busts...or at least long development cycles.

Derrick
Murray
Johnson

Samanic (TBD)
Lonnie (TBD)

I'd lean more towards "long development cycle" with the Spurs batting 60%. Given the track record, it should teach people to be more patient with prospects going forward now that the Spurs are earning our confidence (they should have already earned it with Kawhi, Manu, Tony, but most people here will call those selections a fluke for some reason).

Batting 60% from where the Spurs select in the draft? Really fucking impressive.

Edit: Forgot Vassell, and he looks like a successful pick. It would make the Spurs batting record at 66%.

[R. DeMurre]

Dude, that's the fate of the vast majority of NBA players. Only those guys who are lucky enough to end up on the right team at the right time get rings.



Granted, but these are three of the best ever of that description at that position. Amare had a two time MVP PG, a very good all around SF, and some very good shooters & role players. Griffin had a top PG, as did Kemp, and both had some pretty good role players too. I'd say the reason these guys didn't win is because they themselves had fundamental flaws as first option guys. The best PFs of recent eras who relied on all around fundamentals rather than pure athleticism fared much better with regards to rings: Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, Pau, Rasheed, etc.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/CBB_Europe/status/1365749564658049029?s=19

Too smooth.

https://twitter.com/JaredBerson/status/1365746710727831553?s=19

rankingtear still think he can't shoot?

https://twitter.com/orion_sang/status/1365744281122725894?s=19

https://twitter.com/MaxFeldman6/status/1365731724467052545?s=19

[Rummpd]

Include draft assets in anyway to move away from Veterans.

[rankingtear]

rankingtear (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=44897) still think he can't shoot?


I said that for Renfro. Stationary shooting is the concern for Wagner.

Him shooting 50% is bittersweet for you that means he would go higher. That was the concern for him coming in shooting and footspeed.

[Dejounte]

I said that for Renfro. Stationary shooting is the concern for Wagner.

Him shooting 50% is bittersweet for you that means he would go higher. That was the concern for him coming in shooting and footspeed.

Ahh trust me it was a longshot anyway, not just in terms of draft positioning but the idea that the Spurs would like the same guy I liked out of 30 other guys in the first round. It's all fun for me and I enjoy watching these kids.

[Dejounte]

Playmaking Big Forward - Lesser version of Robert Woodard II? - Trendon Watford


https://youtu.be/D2Bep1IpVvI

mo7888

[bluebellmaniac]

Using Dejounte's original post:

Red Font: Won't be back
Blue Font: Will be back
Green Font: 2-way
Lime Font: Borderline

Point guard:
Dejounte Murray
Tre Jones
2021 Draft Prospects: ???

Combo guard:
Derrick White
Patty Mills
Lonnie Walker
Quinndary Weatherspoon

2021 Draft Prospects: Ayo Dosunmu

Wing:
Devin Vassell

2021 Draft Prospects: Brandon Boston Jr., Ziaire Williams
Intriguing Spurs G-League Player: Cam Reynolds

Big Wing (or Playmaking Big Forward):
DeMar DeRozan
Keldon Johnson
Rudy Gay
Keita Bates-Diop
2021 Draft Prospects: Franz Wagner, Herbert Jones, Vrenz Bleijenbergh, Trendon Watford, Sandro Mamukelashvili

Athletic Forward:
Nate Renfro (2-way)

2021 Draft Prospects: Ariel Hukporti, Greg Brown, Amar Sylla, Usman Garuba

Stretch Big:
LaMarcus Aldridge
Luka Samanic
Trey Lyles
2021 Draft Prospects: Kai Jones, Isaiah Todd, Alperen Sengun

Anchor Big:
Jakob Poeltl
Drew Eubanks

2021 Draft Prospects: Jay Huff, Isaiah Jackson, Oscar da Silva
Intriguing Spurs G-League Player: Kylor Kelley

I see 11 blue fonts - so 11 on the roster + 2 draft picks = 13 slots taken up. Add to this DMDR (I'd only want him if he's giving a BIG discount) and we are at 14. That leaves us 1 FA to pursue or to leave open depending on where we sit with the luxury tax. Not sure if KBD could be on a 2-way, but that would wrap up our 2-ways as well.

So not really much of a shot at having an eventful off season in signings, but that is how we roll around here. Now we just need an analysis on how this falls out salary-wise and how much we have to sign DMDR and any FA (I'm assuming the mid-level exception for any FA).

If DMDR falls through, then Collins is a possibility, but I don't want to pay max on him either.

Seems like the focus really needs to be on Wing, Big Wing, and Athletic Forward in the draft.

[mo7888]

Playmaking Big Forward - Lesser version of Robert Woodard II? - Trendon Watford


https://youtu.be/D2Bep1IpVvI

mo7888

He's a solid player...a little taller but the same wingspan. I see him as more of a 4 and Woodard as a 3 that can play the 4...he's probably a little better playmaker than Woodard but Woodard is the better shooter and I think has better defensive insticts. So, basically I agree with your comp... good catch...

One other thing Woodard has going for him is that he's a good kid who's immensely Coachella. I'm not saying Watford isn't I'm just not familiar with that part of his makeup.

[Dejounte]

Ziaire Williams had a poor outing last night against Mobley's team. He was 1 for 8 fg, 4 turnovers, and barely contributed anywhere else. I believe the game was on national TV. I see his stock dropping by a ton. This is looking more like a weak draft class.

[rankingtear]

Ziaire Williams had a poor outing last night against Mobley's team. He was 1 for 8 fg, 4 turnovers, and barely contributed anywhere else. I believe the game was on national TV. I see his stock dropping by a ton. This is looking more like a weak draft class.

Still strong at the top. There are 5 franchise level guys compared to last years 1.

[BackHome]

Will start to see a lot of guys move up and a lot of guys move down it will definitely be a tricky draft to pick

[Dejounte]

Stretch big - possible backup at PF/C - Jeremiah Robinson-Earl


https://youtu.be/2jUH7eie0ww

His stock has been rising lately. Looks quicker than your average big.

[duncan2150]

Stretch big - possible backup at PF/C - Jeremiah Robinson-Earl


https://youtu.be/2jUH7eie0ww

His stock has been rising lately. Looks quicker than your average big.

I like him. He looks good at a lot Of thing.

He's in My PF/C list for the draft . I Hope you Can react to my Jackson thread dejounte, to have your opinion about him.

[spurraider21]

Using Dejounte's original post:

Red Font: Won't be back
Blue Font: Will be back
Green Font: 2-way
Lime Font: Borderline

Point guard:
Dejounte Murray
Tre Jones
2021 Draft Prospects: ???

Combo guard:
Derrick White
Patty Mills
Lonnie Walker
Quinndary Weatherspoon

2021 Draft Prospects: Ayo Dosunmu

Wing:
Devin Vassell

2021 Draft Prospects: Brandon Boston Jr., Ziaire Williams
Intriguing Spurs G-League Player: Cam Reynolds

Big Wing (or Playmaking Big Forward):
DeMar DeRozan
Keldon Johnson
Rudy Gay
Keita Bates-Diop
2021 Draft Prospects: Franz Wagner, Herbert Jones, Vrenz Bleijenbergh, Trendon Watford, Sandro Mamukelashvili

Athletic Forward:
Nate Renfro (2-way)

2021 Draft Prospects: Ariel Hukporti, Greg Brown, Amar Sylla, Usman Garuba

Stretch Big:
LaMarcus Aldridge
Luka Samanic
Trey Lyles
2021 Draft Prospects: Kai Jones, Isaiah Todd, Alperen Sengun

Anchor Big:
Jakob Poeltl
Drew Eubanks

2021 Draft Prospects: Jay Huff, Isaiah Jackson, Oscar da Silva
Intriguing Spurs G-League Player: Kylor Kelley

I see 11 blue fonts - so 11 on the roster + 2 draft picks = 13 slots taken up. Add to this DMDR (I'd only want him if he's giving a BIG discount) and we are at 14. That leaves us 1 FA to pursue or to leave open depending on where we sit with the luxury tax. Not sure if KBD could be on a 2-way, but that would wrap up our 2-ways as well.

So not really much of a shot at having an eventful off season in signings, but that is how we roll around here. Now we just need an analysis on how this falls out salary-wise and how much we have to sign DMDR and any FA (I'm assuming the mid-level exception for any FA).

If DMDR falls through, then Collins is a possibility, but I don't want to pay max on him either.

Seems like the focus really needs to be on Wing, Big Wing, and Athletic Forward in the draft.
Lyles is an unrestricted free agent who until a week ago was out of the rotation. Far from a lock to return

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/Y75tETv9vRA

Loving this kid. Still young, too. My dark horse pick alongside Herb.

[PrimeMinister]

https://youtu.be/Y75tETv9vRA

Loving this kid. Still young, too. My dark horse pick alongside Herb.

good length. Can set screens, roll, pop and fire, face the ball up, rebounds. The 3pt% leaves a bit to be desired but the mechanics seem to be there already. Nova has also produced some stud NBA players recently.

gotta love the pool of ~6’9 wing/bigs who can stretch the floor and face it up.

Jalen Johnson is likely off the board when we pick, but that leaves Jones, Wagner, Brown, dudes like Robinson earl who are climbing and producing as the tournament approaches. Seems like another good draft to get a piece at a position of need around pick 15-20

[Dejounte]

Stretch Big - Filip Petrusev


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeZ04X6HSQw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6YzWBoD3js

This guy is dominating his league right now. Very interesting prospect. He glides to the basket like an athletic forward. Very skilled.

[Truckules]

If Patty is traded or leaves in free agency, I think a volume 3 pt shooter will be the biggest need for the team to replace. I really like Nah'Shon "Bones" Hyland as a potential replacement for Patty in the draft this year, and he should be available in the late first. He's got insane range with an ability to shoot off the catch or the dribble. He's also a decent driver and finisher as well as solid defensively. He's not a great distributor but then again neither is Patty. Here's a more in-depth scouting report from last year and some highlights from this year.

https://zonahoops.com/2020/07/24/nahshon-bones-hyland-nba-scouting-report/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shyYvBXVSvM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21DhMrFRl10

[LCM]

Stretch Big - Filip Petrusev


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeZ04X6HSQw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6YzWBoD3js

This guy is dominating his league right now. Very interesting prospect. He glides to the basket like an athletic forward. Very skilled.

Lots of footage of him at Gonzaga last year too.

[Dejounte]

If Patty is traded or leaves in free agency, I think a volume 3 pt shooter will be the biggest need for the team to replace. I really like Nah'Shon "Bones" Hyland as a potential replacement for Patty in the draft this year, and he should be available in the late first. He's got insane range with an ability to shoot off the catch or the dribble. He's also a decent driver and finisher as well as solid defensively. He's not a great distributor but then again neither is Patty. Here's a more in-depth scouting report from last year and some highlights from this year.

https://zonahoops.com/2020/07/24/nahshon-bones-hyland-nba-scouting-report/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shyYvBXVSvM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21DhMrFRl10

Not bad. I would love to find a Immanuel Quickley late in the draft. The Knicks got a major steal in Quickley. Dude has loads of potential and is fun to watch.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/Fy3mK7c6xMg

Trendon has been killing it lately. His stock must be rising. Looks like a DeMar-lite out there, spin move after spin move. Looks slow as fuck though.

[Dejounte]

So now that the draft is finished, let's see where we ended up:

Point guard, able to do one or more of the following:
-Be the team general, run set plays
-Be a microwave scorer, score 3's in bunches
-Most effective when guarding 1's and 2's
-Advanced ball handler

Current Spurs Players: Dejounte Murray, Tre Jones
Spurs' Free Agents: None

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Combo guard, able to do one or more of the following:
-Secondary playmaker, occasionally takes over playmaking duties
-Can guard 1-3, most effective against 1's and 2's
-Can create his own shot
-Be a microwave scorer, score 3's in bunches
-Advanced ball handler

Current Spurs Players: Derrick White, Lonnie Walker
Spurs' Free Agents: Patty Mills

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Wing, able to do one or more of the following:
-Go-to scorer down the stretch
-Defensive specialist
-Shooting specialist
-Can guard 1-4, most effective against 2's and 3's
-Secondary playmaker
-Roams the perimeter on offense
-Reliable ball handler

Current Spurs Players: Devin Vassell, Josh Primo
Spurs' Free Agents: None

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Big Wing (or Playmaking Big Forward), able to do one or more of the following:
-Can play the 4 position in line-ups
-Go-to scorer down the stretch
-Can guard 1-4, most effective against 3's and 4's
-Secondary playmaker
-Defensive specialist
-Offense is more inside than outside
-Reliable ball handler
-Can stretch floor with three point shooting

Current Spurs Players: Keldon Johnson, Keita Bates-Diop, Joe Wieskamp, DaQuan Jeffries
Spurs' Free Agents: DeMar DeRozan, Rudy Gay

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Athletic Forward, able to do one or more of the following:
-Limited ball handling
-Can mostly only play the 4 in line-ups, too weak to play the 5 unless small ball is utilized
-Covers space on defense excellently
-Sets hard screens and rolls to the rim quickly
-Very effective at blocking weakside shots
-Can guard 1-5, most effective against 3's and 4's
-Can stretch floor with three point shooting
-Able to run with the guards in transition

Current Spurs Players: None
Spurs' Free Agents: None

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Stretch Big, able to do one or more of the following:
-Reliable three point shooter
-Has array of post up moves
-Can guard 4-5, occasionally 3's
-Usually tall
-Can switch on smaller players, but not quick enough to consistently chase 1's and 2's
-Adequate rim protection
-Able to play with another big
-Limited ball handling

Current Spurs Players: Luka Samanic
Spurs' Free Agents: Gorgui Dieng

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Anchor Big, able to do one or more of the following:
-Can guard 5's most effectively
-Best rim protector
-Sets hard screens
-Improves overall team defense
-Offense is mostly in the paint area
-Usually tall
-Not quick enough to roam outside the paint on defense
-Inexistent ball handling

Current Spurs Players: Jakob Poeltl, Drew Eubanks
Spurs' Free Agents: None

[lefty20]

Fuck positions, our most pressing need is a bonafide franchise cornerstone Superstar who's likely to stay loyal to small market Franchise. If PATO thinks that Primo has the best chance of becoming that player then you draft him. It's really that simple.

[Dejounte]

Fuck positions, our most pressing need is a bonafide franchise cornerstone Superstar who's likely to stay loyal to small market Franchise. If PATO thinks that Primo has the best chance of becoming that player then you draft him. It's really that simple.

And that's probably what they think. I'm just laying out what we have on the roster front.

Here's some tidbits from Brian Wright last night:


https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1420979451530293248

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1420978674594164736

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1420978182744944640

[RC_Drunkford]

Brian Wright says Pop loves Millsap and the team needs his veteran presence. He deserves 45 million over the next 3 years

[tmtcsc]

I think the Spurs need to swing for the fences & draft a player who MIGHT turn out to be a superstar in 4 years or so....even if it means stashing him in Austin next season. If he's a baby, so be it. The present be damned.

[slick'81]

I think the Spurs need to swing for the fences & draft a player who MIGHT turn out to be a superstar in 4 years or so....even if it means stashing him in Austin next season. If he's a baby, so be it. The present be damned.

:cry But hes our next kobe

[GAustex]

The draft position and the team need one could argue necessitated a pick that could contribute immediately

[Chomag]

Can we draft a new FO tbh?