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ducks
02-21-2021, 10:35 AM
https://www.9news.com/mobile/article/news/health/colorado-department-public-health-cdphe-flu-hospitalizations-colorado/73-07875722-8c44-494f-97b4-12b439b88369?fbclid=IwAR3_nQeFpe-dRboPiGX9QcvGmNTzZJ8QkGH4IJ6198K1zuxP4dVEG5cifJQ
Were they reported as covid ?
Were they really that much less ?
ChumpDumper
02-21-2021, 10:36 AM
https://www.9news.com/mobile/article/news/health/colorado-department-public-health-cdphe-flu-hospitalizations-colorado/73-07875722-8c44-494f-97b4-12b439b88369?fbclid=IwAR3_nQeFpe-dRboPiGX9QcvGmNTzZJ8QkGH4IJ6198K1zuxP4dVEG5cifJQ
Were they reported as covid ?No.
Were they really that much less ?Reported?
Yes.
Adam Lambert
02-21-2021, 10:38 AM
Wonder why this could be? If only I could read more than one paragraph of a news article. Oh well, I guess we'll never know.
boutons_deux
02-21-2021, 10:43 AM
100Ms of people with masks, distancing, and closed indoor gatherings to reduce the spread of covid
ALSO
reduces the spread of other infections, eg, flu.
pgardn
02-21-2021, 10:49 AM
Wonder why this could be? If only I could read more than one paragraph of a news article. Oh well, I guess we'll never know.
Roasted duck.
Its a daily dish.
Spurtacular
02-21-2021, 11:19 AM
Dat Magic Wand awesome AF.
pgardn
02-21-2021, 11:21 AM
Sound reasoning sucks.
Spurtacular
02-21-2021, 11:28 AM
What's sound about a magical 97 percent drop in flu cases, Cuck Garden?
Winehole23
02-21-2021, 11:39 AM
What's sound about a magical 97 percent drop in flu cases, Cuck Garden?It's not magic. Social distancing, masking, improved hand hygiene and sanitation have kicked the flu's ass this year.
pgardn
02-21-2021, 11:45 AM
What's sound about a magical 97 percent drop in flu cases, Cuck Garden?
If flu cases drop in conjunction with masking up it and sanitizing, it makes sense that flu cases might drop.
What about this escapes you derptard?
edit: Winehole with the quicker draw from the holster.
Spurtacular
02-21-2021, 11:51 AM
It's not magic. Social distancing, masking, improved hand hygiene and sanitation have kicked the flu's ass this year.
:lol That's bull shit and nothing approaching science. :lol :lmao :rollin
Spurtacular
02-21-2021, 11:52 AM
If flu cases drop in conjunction with masking up it and sanitizing, it makes sense that flu cases might drop.
What about this escapes you derptard?
edit: Winehole with the quicker draw from the holster.
Don't worry; you still earned this.
:lol That's bull shit and nothing approaching science. :lol :lmao :rollin
Winehole23
02-21-2021, 11:54 AM
:lol That's bull shit and nothing approaching science. :lol :lmao :rollintell Johns Hopkins
Though caused by a different virus from the one that causes COVID-19, the flu is also a respiratory viral disease, so everything we are doing to slow transmission of COVID-19, such as wearing face masks, frequent hand-washing and physical distancing, should also reduce transmission of flu," Eili Klein said in a Johns Hopkins news release. He is an associate professor of emergency medicine at university's School of Medicine.
Other factors likely contributing to fewer flu cases include more people getting a flu shot; many schools and businesses meeting virtually instead of in-person; and fewer people traveling.
"We commonly see flu spread in communities, schools, businesses and through travel each year, so these changes are likely keeping the flu away," said Dr. Lisa Maragakis, senior director of infection prevention for the Johns Hopkins Health System.
https://consumer.healthday.com/b-1-15-what-happened-to-the-flu-this-year-2649917471.html
pgardn
02-21-2021, 11:59 AM
:lol That's bull shit and nothing approaching science. :lol :lmao :rollin
That is EXACTLY what part of science is you dumbfk.
Make a valid reason, which it IS. And then wait for the full results from all areas.
Because thats all you can do in this case fckwad.
You still dont understand very basic science.
Adam Lambert
02-21-2021, 12:29 PM
It's a drop in HOSPITALIZATIONS, not cases.
It went from 471 to 12. So a drop of 459 total. In an entire state. Not hard to imagine or to explain right now.
:tu
We represent about 18 commercial cleaning companies across most large markets (excluding LA and Frisco right now) and half of them have paused services. They're so busy selling disinfecting and sanitation services for businesses.
I spoke with a few of my Clients and asked them if anyone on their teams have come down with it...not a single one yet.
Said it weeks ago...it's a sign of the times when it takes a mass panic to make people practice childhood hygiene
Will be interesting to see the dropoff in influenza cases assuming that to be the case.
Called it in March of 2020
That is EXACTLY what part of science is you dumbfk.
Make a valid reason, which it IS. And then wait for the full results from all areas.
Because thats all you can do in this case fckwad.
You still dont understand very basic science.
Why do you keep editing "fuck"?
Why even use the word if you're so afraid of it? It makes you look retarded (that and a few other underlying issues you seem to be strapped with)
Spurtacular
02-21-2021, 12:57 PM
Why do you keep editing "fuck"?
Why even use the word if you're so afraid of it? It makes you look retarded (that and a few other underlying issues you seem to be strapped with)
His stance that limited physical distancing has drove down the flu 97 percent makes him look full-retard in the first place.
Winehole23
02-21-2021, 12:58 PM
Why do you keep editing "fuck"?
Why even use the word if you're so afraid of it? It makes you look retarded (that and a few other underlying issues you seem to be strapped with)
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Ef-man
02-21-2021, 01:07 PM
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All about optics.
SnakeBoy
02-21-2021, 01:22 PM
It's not magic. Social distancing, masking, improved hand hygiene and sanitation have kicked the flu's ass this year.
The flu's ass got kicked last year when schools shutdown, along with pretty much all other common respiratory viruses. Children are the primary driver of influenza and common cold viruses which is opposite of covid. Most likely the reduced travel between hemispheres and school restrictions has kept it low.
I heard rhinovirus is starting to make a comeback and so I think influenza won't be far behind. It will be interesting to see if we have a summer flu season as we begin to open up or if the normal seasonality of flu cases holds. Lot's of influenza naive kids out there now which may change the usual seasonal pattern.
Also will be interesting to see how effective the flu vaccine will be next fall/winter. Seems like it will be hard to guess which strains to vaccinate against with.
ElNono
02-21-2021, 03:32 PM
His stance that limited physical distancing has drove down the flu 97 percent makes him look full-retard in the first place.
you mean physical distancing, masks, lockdowns, school and office closures, improved sanitation...
stick to posting gab memes, adult conversation, logic and science are really not your thing.
Spurtacular
02-22-2021, 06:18 AM
you mean physical distancing, masks, lockdowns, school and office closures, improved sanitation...
stick to posting gab memes, adult conversation, logic and science are really not your thing.
I mean it's fake science or these measures in some places would have been instituted long ago.
You know how it's fake; that's no matter to you.
ElNono
02-22-2021, 01:35 PM
I mean it's fake science
:lmao says who? you? what are your credentials to make that claim?
Leetonidas
02-22-2021, 01:39 PM
Derp has no qualifications to determine what is "real" and "fake" science. He thinks YouTube videos are credible sources of information and discredits published studies/meta analyses in scientific journals that don't fit his narrative. THAT is fake science :lol
problem with this dumb country is far too many uneducated people who have literally no clue how science is done on an academic level for research purposes
Derp has no qualifications to determine what is "real" and "fake" science. He thinks YouTube videos are credible sources of information and discredits published studies/meta analyses in scientific journals that don't fit his narrative. THAT is fake science :lol
problem with this dumb country is far too many uneducated people who have literally no clue how science is done on an academic level for research purposes
Naw that's not the problem. These people have always existed, even moreso in the past. The problem is they now have a bullhorn called social media and they spread it. 30 years ago, an old man on his porch in bumfuck Tennessee complaining about how the FBI is surveilling him was seen as a nutjob by his neighbors. Today he has a website and 6m subs.
Spurtacular
02-22-2021, 02:21 PM
Naw that's not the problem. These people have always existed, even moreso in the past. The problem is they now have a bullhorn called social media and they spread it. 30 years ago, an old man on his porch in bumfuck Tennessee complaining about how the FBI is surveilling him was seen as a nutjob by his neighbors. Today he has a website and 6m subs.
It hurts your feelings when people rock the boat.
Leetonidas
02-22-2021, 02:22 PM
Naw that's not the problem. These people have always existed, even moreso in the past. The problem is they now have a bullhorn called social media and they spread it. 30 years ago, an old man on his porch in bumfuck Tennessee complaining about how the FBI is surveilling him was seen as a nutjob by his neighbors. Today he has a website and 6m subs.
indeed. lack of education is a big problem but the biggest is definitely social media giving a platform to these people
Spurtacular
02-22-2021, 02:25 PM
indeed. lack of education is a big problem but the biggest is definitely social media giving a platform to these people
Tell us about your world class education.
Leetonidas
02-22-2021, 02:26 PM
Tell us about your world class education.
i don't need to, but i have degrees and i am 100% certain that you probably dont even have a GED or if so that is your highest level completed :lmao
Naw that's not the problem. These people have always existed, even moreso in the past. The problem is they now have a bullhorn called social media and they spread it. 30 years ago, an old man on his porch in bumfuck Tennessee complaining about how the FBI is surveilling him was seen as a nutjob by his neighbors. Today he has a website and 6m subs...
...Then goes run for the Senate.
Adam Lambert
02-22-2021, 02:31 PM
...Then goes run for the Senate.
as a Republican.
Spurtacular
02-22-2021, 02:36 PM
i don't need to, but i have degrees and i am 100% certain that you probably dont even have a GED or if so that is your highest level completed :lmao
This went to sh** fast for ya.
Leetonidas
02-22-2021, 02:39 PM
Dude, shut up :lol you literally cannot back up a single thing you ever post and your go-to move is to try to shift the topic away and deflect to something unrelated because as usual you have nothing worthwhile to say other than regurgitating fake news from gab like a good little sheep. You also routinely fold literally 1 post into your fake news threads and have openly admitted to not even looking into what you're posting. come to terms loser
...Then goes run for the Senate.
And wins
as a Republican.
Go team go
Leetonidas
02-22-2021, 02:41 PM
tell us Derp, where is your degree in virology from? what did you write your dissertation on tbh? what are your qualifications to discuss, let alone rebuke, anything science-related?
Spurtacular
02-22-2021, 02:42 PM
Dude, shut up :lol you literally cannot back up a single thing you ever post and your go-to move is to try to shift the topic away and deflect to something unrelated because as usual you have nothing worthwhile to say other than regurgitating fake news from gab like a good little sheep. You also routinely fold literally 1 post into your fake news threads and have openly admitted to not even looking into what you're posting. come to terms loser
Says the guy who is part of the herd.
Nobody CC's you for a reason.
Leetonidas
02-22-2021, 02:43 PM
called it :lol derp folds again and as usual shifting the topic away to some random nonsense he made up :lol
Adam Lambert
02-22-2021, 03:06 PM
Go team go
It is what it is. People who reject scientific consensus thrive in only one of the two major political parties in this country.
I'm sorry if that's inconvenient to your need to both-sides everything.
Winehole23
02-22-2021, 03:12 PM
Go team goJeering at others for having a political orientation in a political forum is asinine. So is pretending you have none.
Adam Lambert
02-22-2021, 03:16 PM
Republicans certainly have the platform and the influence to reinforce scientific consensus. It's not like they couldn't differentiate themselves from Democrats in other areas. But their donors don't want environmental regulations, so it's important that their voters don't think pollution is a problem. For example.
Spurtacular
02-22-2021, 03:40 PM
where is your degree in virology from? what did you write your dissertation on tbh? what are your qualifications to discuss, let alone rebuke, anything science-related?
Are your alleged degrees in virology or otherwise science related?
Jeering at others for having a political orientation in a political forum is asinine. So is pretending you have none.
File a complaint
Leetonidas
02-22-2021, 03:57 PM
Are your alleged degrees in virology or otherwise science related?
another deflection / refusing to answer the question. no one takes you seriously :lol this is why you're the laughing stock of ST, aside from your delusional psychosis
Spurtacular
02-22-2021, 04:01 PM
another deflection / refusing to answer the question. no one takes you seriously :lol this is why you're the laughing stock of ST, aside from your delusional psychosis
You're the one who shamelessly brought it up. You've admitted by your own logic that you're unqualified on these matters.
You're a gimp who tried really hard to be important on your own. You should've known better.
It is what it is. People who reject scientific consensus thrive in only one of the two major political parties in this country.
I'm sorry if that's inconvenient to your need to both-sides everything.
The left is cool with science as long as it doesn't explore their taboo subjects, things that might cause them discomfort to talk about.
Leetonidas
02-22-2021, 04:04 PM
You're the one who shamelessly brought it up. You've admitted by your own logic that you're unqualified on these matters.
You're a gimp who tried really hard to be important on your own. You should've known better.
Lol still can't backup the fact you know nothing about science and have zero relevant education or any degrees that make your opinion relevant.
Go back to gab and find some fake news or made up paint graphs to post somewhere , loser :lol
Spurtacular
02-22-2021, 04:09 PM
Lol still can't backup the fact you know nothing about science and have zero relevant education or any degrees that make your opinion relevant.
Go back to gab and find some fake news or made up paint graphs to post somewhere , loser :lol
You're too stupid to know you're playing this card on yourself even after I just explained it to you.
And if you're going to do the 'too stupid' card, maybe don't make glaring grammatical errors while you do it.
SnakeBoy
02-22-2021, 04:30 PM
I have degrees :lmao
Brazil
02-22-2021, 04:53 PM
I mean it's fake science or these measures in some places would have been instituted long ago.
You know how it's fake; that's no matter to you.
dear fucking god.. how one can be that dumb tbh.. mind blowing
also :lmao tick tock
Winehole23
02-22-2021, 04:54 PM
File a complaintIt's an observation, no need to get emotional.
ChumpDumper
02-22-2021, 05:04 PM
The left:lol
Joseph Kony
02-22-2021, 05:48 PM
You're too stupid to know you're playing this card on yourself even after I just explained it to you.
And if you're going to do the 'too stupid' card, maybe don't make glaring grammatical errors while you do it.
:lmao middle school education trying to lecture people online. go take the dishes out to the line dipshit, or you're not getting a break today
Adam Lambert
02-22-2021, 07:21 PM
The left is cool with science as long as it doesn't explore their taboo subjects, things that might cause them discomfort to talk about.
I'm sure you have an example of this, as well as an example of politicians on the left specifically denouncing that science.
I'm sure you have an example of this, as well as an example of politicians on the left specifically denouncing that science.
Typical fetch mission as a prelude to the "no true Scotsman" fallacy.
pgardn
02-22-2021, 07:29 PM
Why do you keep editing "fuck"?
Why even use the word if you're so afraid of it? It makes you look retarded (that and a few other underlying issues you seem to be strapped with)
fck...
Im sorry Mrs. Crutchfield.
But please keep informing on how retarded I look.
Dont forget the fetal alcohol syndrome, Asperger's, and... what the fck...? what else do I have?
Winehole23
02-22-2021, 07:31 PM
Typical fetch mission as a prelude to the "no true Scotsman" fallacy.No need to get all forensic, Adam Lambert just asked you what you were talking about. Too bad if you can't fetch that. :lol
pgardn
02-22-2021, 07:32 PM
The left is cool with science as long as it doesn't explore their taboo subjects, things that might cause them discomfort to talk about.
List some and lets discuss.
No need to get all forensic, Adam Lambert just asked you what you were talking about. Too bad if you can't fetch that. :lol
So only republicans believe in an invisible sky buddy? :lol
Since when?
https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/FT_16.02.22_religionPoliticalAffiliation_640px1.pn g
Winehole23
02-22-2021, 07:42 PM
So only republicans believe in an invisible sky buddy? :lol
Since when?thanks for the pic, that was fast
Because science supports god belief :lol
apparently you can't fetch that
Keep swinging wildly. Maybe you can find a tweet to say what you cannot seem to muster - something more interesting than the typical mutterings of an alcoholic.
pgardn
02-22-2021, 07:49 PM
Keep swinging wildly. Maybe you can find a tweet to say what you cannot seem to muster - something more interesting than the typical mutterings of an alcoholic.
You are an expert in assessing others?
Now try you.
You are an expert in assessing others?
Now try you.
I thought you wanted to discuss the taboo anti-science beliefs held by Democrats.
Chop chop
Sure got quiet in here :lol
Adam Lambert
02-22-2021, 07:56 PM
So only republicans believe in an invisible sky buddy? :lol
Since when?
Are you serious?
Only Republicans campaign on rejecting science in service to their sky buddy. It's basically their entire brand.
Christian/religious Democrats pretty reliably respect separation of church and state.
Adam Lambert
02-22-2021, 07:58 PM
Sure got quiet in here :lol
Some of us occasionally have things to do outside this forum.
pgardn
02-22-2021, 07:59 PM
I thought you wanted to discuss the taboo anti-science beliefs held by Democrats.
Chop chop
Sure.
So you think being religious is anti science?
Lets start with that.
pgardn
02-22-2021, 08:00 PM
Some of us occasionally have things to do outside this forum.
I got some water and DMC gets all large in certain body parts...
Are you serious?
Only Republicans campaign on rejecting science in service to their sky buddy. It's basically their entire brand.
Christian/religious Democrats pretty reliably respect separation of church and state.
Don't move the goalposts to church and state. Believing in an invisible overlord is patently anti-science and it's taboo to mention it (as illustrated by your response in defense of theist democrats)
Funny how everyone was calling for an example at the same time and had to get water at the same time. :lol
Still no discussion at all on how science and the belief in "muh sky buddy" are compatible.
THE FAITH LIST: 2020 DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES AND THEIR RELIGION
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2020 ELECTION UPDATE: Should they win the election in 2020, how will Joe Biden and Kamala Harris construct the role of faith in US politics? How might their own faiths influence how they govern in their roles? Read: Biden and Harris Call on Faith as a Source of Love of Neighbor and Commitments to Justice
By Paul Brandeis Raushenbush
The Democratic Primary is crowded with Presidential hopefuls. Each has a unique religious profile, values and approach to reaching out to voters using religious language. With the likely Republican nominee being so closely identified with right wing, white Christians, the Democrats see the possibilities of attracting many voters whose faith promotes a more generous, pluralistic, welcoming and equitable America. Below is a list of the candidates who have made the cut to be on the DNC debate stage along with a brief sampling of their religious identities and thoughts. If you are looking for more information, Religion News writer Jack Jenkins is a good person to follow.
Joe Biden
Former Senator and Vice President Joe Biden has always identified with his Roman Catholic faith. Biden has not been shy talking about how it helped him through difficult periods in his life, as he told NPR’s Terry Gross in 2017.
I find great solace in my faith, I happen to be a Roman Catholic, a practicing Catholic … I found that, for me, the externalities of my faith bring me a sense of peace. … My son died, and he had this set of rosaries on and I’ve been wearing it since and I will wear it till I die. … I’m not saying when I pray the rosary God’s gonna help me — it’s just solace.
In a personal interview with Late Night’s Stephen Colbert, Biden also shared the Kierkegaard quote that his wife placed on the mirror after their son Beau died: “Faith sees best in the dark.” The impact faith has on his political decisions have not always been as apparent, but the 2020 election may be the time when we hear more.
Cory Booker:
There are few candidates who speak religion more fluently than the Senator from New Jersey. Booker can slip into preacher cadence with themes that would not see out of place in many progressive churches in America. He said in a CNN Townhall –
“I believe that the Bible talks about poverty, greeting the stranger, being there for the convicted, far more than it talks about the kind of toxic stuff you hear the president spewing out there.”
You can watch how he responds to a pastor’s question at that Townhall here and how he responded to Jack Jenkin’s question about his faith in this article: Cory Booker could be a candidate for the ‘religious left’
“I don’t know how many speeches of mine you can listen to and not have me bring up faith. Before you tell me about your religion, first show it to me in how you treat other people.”
Booker also has the distinction, I’m pretty sure, of being the only candidate who has been a guest on OnBeing in a show called Civic Spiritual Evolution.
“That word, “sacred,” to me, is what is needed now, this understanding that these are sacred spaces between us, and they need to be fueled and injected with an unapologetic, courageous, daring love.”
Pete Buttigieg
No candidate in memory has embraced the title of religious progressive like “Mayor Pete” as he catapulted from South Bend obscurity to being a frontrunner in the Democratic field. Buttigieg is an Episcopalian who represents an unapologetic, open approach to how religion affects his politics, insisting that progressive candidates have a more authentic claim to the religious mantle:
“I think it’s unfortunate [the Democratic Party] has lost touch with a religious tradition that I think can help explain and relate our values. At least in my interpretation, it helps to root a lot of what it is we do believe in, when it comes to protecting the sick and the stranger and the poor, as well as skepticism of the wealthy and the powerful and the established.”
What perhaps makes Buttigieg’s openness about his faith more intriguing is that he is openly gay and has often talked about how going to church and getting married to his now husband in the church was meaningful for him and for his relationship:
“Being married to Chasten makes me a better person. I would even say it moves me closer to God. And so the idea that this of all things is what people are attacking each other over and excluding each other over, when God is love, we are taught. Of all the things to beat people up over on theological grounds, it just seems to me that loving shouldn’t be one of them.”
The fact that he is gay and talking about religion has created considerable backlash from the religious right. And Franklin Graham just called upon the Mary to repent, to which one Gay Christian told Graham to leave his identity and his faith alone.
Julián Castro
An profile of Castro in the Washington Post began with this great lede:
“As Julián Castro officially launched his candidacy for president over the past few weeks, he invoked a certain female figure so frequently she might as well have been his running mate.”
The female figure was Our Lady of Guadalupe, and Castro relies heavily on her and the religious and cultural reference of the Catholic tradition he grew up a part of. The former Mayor of San Antonio and Secretary of housing and urban development under Obama, Castro feels a gratitude for the role the Catholic Church has played in his own family and in other immigrant families: “For women and for people of color, those are very difficult times,” he said. “And the Catholic Church provided a sense of place and belonging and also a hope — a faith that things would get better.”
Castro shared with his hometown newspaper about his Catholic bonafides:
“When I spoke at the DNC a few years ago, I talked about when my brother and I would leave the house to go to school in the morning, my grandmother would say, “Que Dios los bendiga. May God bless you. So the Catholic faith has never been far from my life.”
John Delaney
The former Congressman Delaney thread the needle on religion in a Town Hall with CNN.
“I also believe strongly in the freedom of religion, and I believe strongly in the separation of church and state. So I don’t believe religious doctrine should inform public policy.”
Delaney, who is Catholic, acknowledged part of that his impulse towards social justice comes from his faith, but when it comes to the specifics of the hottest button issue, abortion, he was clear about his position:
“I’m pro-choice and I completely support a woman’s decision to make her own reproductive decisions about her own body. I don’t struggle with that as a matter of public policy. I don’t think my church, and my church policies and doctrines, should decide public policy in this country.”
Tulsi Gabbard
Gabbard made headlines in 2012 as the first Hindu ever elected to the U.S. Congress. She grew up hearing stories of both the New Testament and the Bhagavad Gita saying that she “learned from a young age from these scriptures that real happiness in can only be found when you’re dedicating your life in the service of God and in the service of others.” Her religious positions weave both conservative and progressive threads including a change of heart on LGBT and abortion rights after serving in the military in the middle east. As she wrote in 2011:
“The contrast between our society and those in the Middle East made me realize that the difference — the reason those societies are so oppressive — is that they are essentially theocracies where the government and government leaders wield the power to both define and then enforce morality. My experiences in the Middle East eventually led me to reevaluate my view regarding government’s role in our personal lives and decisions.”
Kirsten Gillibrand
When Gillibrand announced her candidacy on Martin Luther King, Jr. day, she used some of the most classic Biblical metaphors of the battlefield saying:
“We put on the full armor of God so that we can stand our ground when we take on the rulers, the authorities, and the powers of this dark world.”
The Roman Catholic Senator repeated this scripture when she was invited in the the pulpit of an AME church in Brooklyn, NY:
“Put on the full armor of God, so that on the day evil comes, today, you’ll be able to stand your ground’ … That is what we are called to do!” We are the ones that God placed here at a time such as this to fight!”
Gillibrand also attends several of the Bible studies that are part of the weekly routine for Senators saying: “Bible study has really helped me, we visit together at Bible study and we talk about our families and things outside of the Senate.”
Kamala Harris
Kamala Harris announced her bid for the presidency starting with the words: “With faith in God” and her middle name is Devi, which is the Sanskrit work for Goddess. Her father was Jamaican and her mother was Indian and Kamala’s political career has represented advances for both the Black and South Asian communities as she is the first South Asian to serve in the Senate and the second African American. She grew up going to both a Baptist Church and a Hindu Temple. She is married to a Jewish man and so Harris represents a collection of traditions, yet appears to claim a Baptist faith at this time. She has not spoken extensively on faith but that may change as the primary heats up.
John Wright Hickenlooper
Former Governor of Colorado and Mayor of Denver, Hickenlooper grew up with a mother who was Quaker and volunteered with the American Friends Service Committee. It is not clear that he claims any particular religious community at present.
Jay Inslee
Governor Inslee is positioning himself as the Environmental Candidate and emphasizes the science that support the facts of climate change. He has spoken very little so far about religion.
Amy Klobuchar
In a CNN Town Hall Senator Klobuchar declared herself a Congregationalist and mentioned that her husband is a Catholic.
“I’m actually really active in the Senate Prayer Breakfast. I chaired the National Prayer Breakfast. The Senate Prayer breakfast is actually a really important thing and nobody knows what is talked about – liberals go there I promise – and it is a way for people to tell the stories about their lives and to able to have some common ground without people pointing fingers. Faith is very important to me, it helped me get through my dad’s addiction. I think everyone should be able to practice whatever religion they want in this country. That’s the United States of America. Or not practice religion. But for me that’s a very important part of my life.”
Beto O’Rourke
While Beto O’Rourke is listed online as a Roman Catholic it is hard to see where he talks about his faith or how it might influence his politics aside from one remark he made during his unsuccessful race for the Senate when he referenced a march he led to the immigration detention camp in Tornillo: “For me, that was a religious experience,” he says. “I happen to have been raised Catholic, and what I take away from my religion is you do your best to love everyone, to be good to everyone.”
Bernie Sanders
Both of Senator Bernie Sanders’ parents were Jewish and he was loosely raised in the tradition and did become a Bar Mitzvah. However, he does consider himself particular religious or participate in organized religion. Sanders appears to be motivated by more universal spiritual principles as He explained on CNN:
“Every great religion in the world, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, others, essentially comes down to Do unto others as you would like them to do unto you. And what I have believed my whole life – I believed it when I was a 22 year old getting arrested in Chicago protesting segregation – that at some level we are all in this together. When you hurt, I hurt. And when my kids hurt, you hurt. And it is very easy to turn out backs on kids who are hungry and veterans who are sleeping out in the street and we can develop a psychology that says ‘I don’t have to worry about them, all I got to worry about is how I can make another five billion dollars. But I believe that everybody in this room impacts everybody else in all kinds of ways that we can’t even understand, its beyond intellect. It’s a spiritual, emotional thing. When we do the right thing, when we treat one another with respect and dignity, I think we are more human. That’s my religion, that’s what I believe in.”
Elizabeth Warren
In a surprise to some, Senator Warren has been one of the most vocal about her faith in the Democratic field. One pastor told the Boston Globe: “She’s a praying woman. . . . She believes in prayer.”
Raised Methodist, she also taught Sunday School and quipped, “ All I can say is nobody got hurt.” She talked about her favorite Bible passage Matthew 25 about when God separates the the sheep and the goats and how she hears it as a rallying call to action:
“That passage is not about you had a good thought and held on to it. You sat back and were just a part of — you know, thought about good things. It does not say, you just didn’t hurt anybody, and that’s good enough. No. It says, you saw something wrong. You saw somebody who was thirsty. You saw somebody who was in prison. You saw their face. You saw somebody who was hungry, and it moved you to act. I believe we are called on to act.”
Marianne Williamson
Many people were introduced to Williamson in the presidential debate, when she addressed her comments to Donald Trump: “Mr. President, if you’re listening, I want you to hear me please,” she said. “You’ve harnessed fear for political purposes and only love can cast that out. So I have a feeling you know what you’re doing. I’m going to harness love for political purposes. I will meet you on that field, and sir, love will win.”
It struck people as funny and odd for a presidential candidate to say, but for better or worse, it had resonances with Hillary Clinton’s failed 2016 campaign. Williamson has long been in the spiritual scene as friend to Oprah Winfrey and was famously quoted by Nelson Mandela from a passage from A Return to Love:
“Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, ‘Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?’ Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won’t feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It’s not just in some of us; it’s in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.”
Andrew Yang
In response to the MAGA hats, Andrew Yang is putting out MATH hats, because, as his website says: “Celebrating numbers and facts an essential part of our campaign. But his science and tech heavy approach don’t stop him from attending a church with his wife and boys. The main slogan of his campaign is Humanity First, and one of his platforms is Universal Basic Income. In a recent post on his website he turned to his pastor and asked if it was consistent with Jesus’ teachings:
“Universal Basic Income is a beginning for followers of Christ, and all who believe in putting Humanity First, to begin to love our neighbors as ourselves and begin caring for and helping others the way we have been commanded.”
pgardn
02-22-2021, 08:05 PM
Sure.
So you think being religious is anti science?
Lets start with that.
Are you ready?
Are you ready?
Of course it is, if religion is defined as such:
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
This guy gives a good look at how they are incompatible.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/religion-science-coexist-faith-versus-fact-coyne/396362/
Go ahead, go with the accommodationist approach.
pgardn
02-22-2021, 08:22 PM
Of course it is, if religion is defined as such:
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
This guy gives a good look at how they are incompatible.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/religion-science-coexist-faith-versus-fact-coyne/396362/
Go ahead, go with the accommodationist approach.
without reading it, my opinion.
Science is a human activity just like philosophy or the belief in the super natural that is clearly fallible.
But it is also very rigorous approach to our notion of "knowing" , especially when variables can be removed.
And more important than anything: Science must be used only on questions that can be refuted through a more rigorous and not as easily used methods. Observation, experimentation, more observation, possible answers, more experimentation... continue on I could also go into the importance of data taking and statistical analysis of data to get a hold on probability.
Philosophy and religion do not rely on such rigorous and a more focused way of knowing. Science just cant answer near as many questions (especially ethics and morality) as the first two, (although studying cultural evolution along with biological evolution might yield some thoughts on why we are moral ethical animals.
So these ventures into a way of us thinking we know are different from each other. But alike in they try to answer questions about the world and ourselves that we have.
pgardn
02-22-2021, 08:25 PM
off the cuff and not well worded, but there you go.
Thoughts?
And I will not read the article to taint my assertions yet.
But Im sure when I do we can take specific points made and discuss.
Spurtacular
02-22-2021, 08:39 PM
I have degrees :lmao
:lol
without reading it, my opinion.
Science is a human activity just like philosophy or the belief in the super natural that is clearly fallible.
But it is also very rigorous approach to our notion of "knowing" , especially when variables can be removed.
And more important than anything: Science must be used only on questions that can be refuted through a more rigorous and not as easily used methods. Observation, experimentation, more observation, possible answers, more experimentation... continue on I could also go into the importance of data taking and statistical analysis of data to get a hold on probability.
Philosophy and religion do not rely on such rigorous and a more focused way of knowing. Science just cant answer near as many questions (especially ethics and morality) as the first two, (although studying cultural evolution along with biological evolution might yield some thoughts on why we are moral ethical animals.
So these ventures into a way of us thinking we know are different from each other. But alike in they try to answer questions about the world and ourselves that we have.
Answering questions with make believe isn't answering anything. So eternity, life after death, invisible sky daddy... all of that is somehow philosophy to you? Creationism, resurrection, miracles of Jesus... all of that isn't anti-science?
Praying to an invisible god for things and claiming prayer matters, that god answers prayers, etc...
And don't forget about the Muslims.
Yeah... no.
Adam only has time when he has what he thinks is a clever retort. Religion is taboo to him :lol "muh science".
pgardn
02-22-2021, 09:01 PM
Answering questions with make believe isn't answering anything. So eternity, life after death, invisible sky daddy... all of that is somehow philosophy to you? Creationism, resurrection, miracles of Jesus... all of that isn't anti-science?
Praying to an invisible god for things and claiming prayer matters, that god answers prayers, etc...
And don't forget about the Muslims.
Yeah... no.
Answering ethical questions is clearly a part of philosophy AND RELIGION.
You are completely daft if you cant see this. How do you know there is an eternity or an end for "you' or for anything else.
And no it is does not have to be anti science at all. Science cant prove or disprove the existence of God or God's as many would define them. It is NOT the purview of science. Can science answer if it is wrong to kill? This IS A QUESTION.
What does science say about eternity?
wft is eternity?
We, as human beings, have clearly grappled with all kinds of answers to our own existence for a very long time. You think science is gonna solve this? Did you ask to be born? I did not. Why were you born, why did you come into existence? How the fck do you answer these things with science? This has been apart of human thinking for at least 30,000 years, you think it ends because, SCIENCE?
And when i say you I can mean the biological you that is a mass of neurons that have died off and grown with environmental input since your birth and form the thing that you call you. Do you really think this is easy? Now it might be a useless exercise for your biological self, but you will ponder it anyway. If you dont, you are not human.
pgardn
02-22-2021, 09:20 PM
Dont forget the Muslims...
Are you serious?
You want to parse this down to some insignificant level of the religions we have TODAY?
We have been practicing this for at least 30,000 years... for Christ sakes... yeah?
Answering ethical questions is clearly a part of philosophy AND RELIGION.
You are completely daft if you cant see this. How do you know there is an eternity or an end for "you' or for anything else.
And no it is does not have to be anti science at all. Science cant prove or disprove the existence of God or God's as many would define them. It is NOT the purview of science. Can science answer if it is wrong to kill? This IS A QUESTION.
What does science say about eternity?
wft is eternity?
We, as human beings, have clearly grappled with all kinds of answers to our own existence for a very long time. You think science is gonna solve this? Did you ask to be born? I did not. Why were you born, why did you come into existence? How the fck do you answer these things with science? This has been apart of human thinking for at least 30,000 years, you think it ends because, SCIENCE?
And when i say you I can mean the biological you that is a mass of neurons that have died off and grown with environmental input since your birth and form the thing that you call you. Do you really think this is easy? Now it might be a useless exercise for your biological self, but you will ponder it anyway. If you dont, you are not human.
How does religion address ethics? Because god says so? Because it's a sin? Ethics though divine edict?
And you call me daft? :lol
Grappled with our own existence... what exactly does that mean?
If science cannot solve it, religion sure as hell cannot. Making up crazy shit to feel better about having an existential crisis doesn't equate to answers.
"If you don't, you're not human" - more bullshit and the "no true Scotsman" fallacy rears its ugly head.
Dont forget the Muslims...
Are you serious?
You want to parse this down to some insignificant level of the religions we have TODAY?
We have been practicing this for at least 30,000 years... for Christ sakes... yeah?
You're fighting a losing battle. Religion is a joke. Using make believe as a coping mechanism != "looking for answers". It equals making shit up. So it was made up thousands of years ago, still make believe. It's adult Santa Claus and the fact you're defending it so heavily just shows, once again, how taboo the subject is to pit against science. You want to pretend to be scientifically minded yet you still cling to thousand year old superstitions. Not much different than people who deny global warming or evolution.
And stop trying to remove the god belief from the equation, that's your flowers in the attic, it's part and parcel of religion.
pgardn
02-22-2021, 09:35 PM
How does religion address ethics? Because god says so? Because it's a sin? Ethics though divine edict?
And you call me daft? :lol
Grappled with our own existence... what exactly does that mean?
If science cannot solve it, religion sure as hell cannot. Making up crazy shit to feel better about having an existential crisis doesn't equate to answers.
"If you don't, you're not human" - more bullshit and the "no true Scotsman" fallacy rears its ugly head.
Lets do this one thing a time because you clearly dont think.
You do not think about YOUR existence?
Lets do this one thing a time because you clearly dont think.
You do not think about YOUR existence?
It doesn't matter what I do or do not do. It has no bearing on the claim that religion and science are incompatible. I could be the most devout theist of all time, and still the claim would have to rest on its own merits.
So go ahead and show how science and religion are compatible, because a good portion of the Democratic party professes a belief in the supernatural. Like you are doing here, they hem and haw about it and change the subject after dropping a verse or a comment about how faith guides them. It's taboo to question it. When is the last time a reporter challenged either side on the silliness of the god belief?
"The Crew" after the religion bomb
https://newsd.co/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/dog-refuses-food.gif
ducks
02-22-2021, 09:55 PM
:lmao says who? you? what are your credentials to make that claim?
Are you qualified ?
pgardn
02-22-2021, 09:59 PM
You have no familiarity with science as well.
We make models that say things work like this (some metaphor we can use our senses for)
Then we apply these models to things we CANNOT sense directly. But indirectly we measure and tinker and come up with a new model, like for EM waves. Then we put math to it. We do this over and over and over in science. So now we maybe get down to the level of the small and we invent the field model because it seems to help us fit math with it. Then an observation is made that does not fit this model is made and we change the model and then... all these brand new questions arise, they just explode with the new observations. So many new models have to be made. So we make more models. But the models for the way the Higgs field works but it contradicts the model for gravitational, electric and magnetic fields. But it works, so we go merrily along because it can make predictions. Then a new phenomena is observed that does not fit what the model predicts.
Do you really think this is going to come to an end? That there is an equation or model for everything? Really? You think science is that mighty to take on every aspect of thoughts? If anything I could argue it is getting more tedious by exploding into thousands of new questions that lead down a brand new path that is one of many paths.
But it does work most of the time in predicting and making our lives different (some would argue much more comfortable). So science rules. Yes it is fantastic stuff. But as far as answering everything... no fckn way. I would agree that merely making things up seems silly. But then it kind slaps one in the face when you see how science is very limited in finding some very fundamental rules that need answers. The math we rely on may even be massively flawed. (Read K. Goedel)
I can give you some podcasts of some of the best physicists, that I cannot possibly keep up with the math, but who basically see what I have written above. Do you want them.
https://lexfridman.com/podcast/
I suggest starting with the podcast with Harry Cliff. Then keep going.
Fridman sounds like a goofball, but he asks everyman type questions to very smart people, and some not so smart
I would stick with the physics guys. When you listen to one, give me a heads up. Maybe you will get what I wrote above.
pgardn
02-22-2021, 10:00 PM
It doesn't matter what I do or do not do. It has no bearing on the claim that religion and science are incompatible. I could be the most devout theist of all time, and still the claim would have to rest on its own merits.
So go ahead and show how science and religion are compatible, because a good portion of the Democratic party professes a belief in the supernatural. Like you are doing here, they hem and haw about it and change the subject after dropping a verse or a comment about how faith guides them. It's taboo to question it. When is the last time a reporter challenged either side on the silliness of the god belief?
I did not ask if it matters fathead.
I asked do YOU think about YOUR existence.
There is a multitude of stuff that does not matter...
And I AM NOT expressing a belief in the super natural. I am explaining absolutely why it think it exists and is popular. As popular a method of understanding as science.
pgardn
02-22-2021, 10:02 PM
"The Crew" after the religion bomb
https://newsd.co/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/dog-refuses-food.gif
the irony...
Yes. I still remember you and your ability to measure and read windspeed without a visual.
You have no familiarity with science as well.
Sure :lol
And that somehow gives religion some leeway?
We make models that say things work like this (some metaphor we can use our senses for)
Then we apply these models to things we CANNOT sense directly. But indirectly we measure and tinker and come up with a new model, like for EM waves. Then we put math to it. We do this over and over and over in science. So now we maybe get down to the level of the small and we invent the field model because it seems to help us fit math with it. Then an observation is made that does not fit this model is made and we change the model and then... all these brand new questions arise, they just explode with the new observations. So many new models have to be made. So we make more models. But the models for the way the Higgs field works but it contradicts the model for gravitational, electric and magnetic fields. But it works, so we go merrily along because it can make predictions. Then a new phenomena is observed that does not fit what the model predicts.
Do you really think this is going to come to an end? That there is an equation or model for everything? Really? You think science is that mighty to take on every aspect of thoughts? If anything I could argue it is getting more tedious by exploding into thousands of new questions that lead down a brand new path that is one of many paths.
But it does work most of the time in predicting and making our lives different (some would argue much more comfortable). So science rules. Yes it is fantastic stuff. But as far as answering everything... no fckn way. I would agree that merely making things up seems silly. But then it kind slaps one in the face when you see how science is very limited in finding some very fundamental rules that need answers. The math we rely on may even be massively flawed. (Read K. Goedel)
I can give you some podcasts of some of the best physicists, that I cannot possibly keep up with the math, but who basically see what I have written above. Do you want them.
https://lexfridman.com/podcast/
I suggest starting with the podcast with Harry Cliff. Then keep going.
Fridman sounds like a goofball, but he asks everyman type questions to very smart people, and some not so smart
I would stick with the physics guys. When you listen to one, give me a heads up. Maybe you will get what I wrote above.
Again, you keep using the term "answering".
What does religion answer? Regardless how limited science is, there's no reason to think religion fills the void. It's simply made up concepts from thousands of years ago and people like you keep trying to shoehorn it into science.
So far what you've offered:
1. I am daft because I don't believe in god
2. If you don't struggle with an existential crisis you aren't human
3. Religion answers things science cannot
What you haven't done:
1. Explain what religion answers
2. Explain how religion answers anything
3. Explain how religion and science are compatible.
It's your claim, go ahead and support it.
the irony...
Yes. I still remember you and your ability to measure and read windspeed without a visual.
Don't get off track with the same old stupid shit. Either you have the answer or you don't. Turn to religion if you don't since you think are are basically science turned man.
I did not ask if it matters fathead.
I asked do YOU think about YOUR existence.
There is a multitude of stuff that does not matter...
And I AM NOT expressing a belief in the super natural. I am explaining absolutely why it think it exists and is popular. As popular a method of understanding as science.
Appeal to popularity now. :lol
pgardn
02-22-2021, 10:13 PM
Sure :lol
And that somehow gives religion some leeway?
Again, you keep using the term "answering".
What does religion answer? Regardless how limited science is, there's no reason to think religion fills the void. It's simply made up concepts from thousands of years ago and people like you keep trying to shoehorn it into science.
So far what you've offered:
1. I am daft because I don't believe in god
2. If you don't struggle with an existential crisis you aren't human
3. Religion answers things science cannot
What you haven't done:
1. Explain what religion answers
2. Explain how religion answers anything
3. Explain how religion and science are compatible.
It's your claim, go ahead and support it.
You cant read.
Religion and philosophy answer questions on ethical and moral issues. They also GIVE answers to our understanding of ourselves. YOU dont like them. I dont either actually, but I get why the exist and then taken with the pitfalls of science that some people claim science is itself, just another endeavor to explain what we want to know. And not all that great when it comes to fundamentals given the state of what physics gives us. Biology... an utter mess of uncontrolled phenomena. Yes we get some fantastic stuff out. But the questions keep exploding.
"They are not machines, they are INSTRUMENTS" You are so OCD you cant think beyond a punctuation error I make.
You continue your old game of making false assertions I have made. I said you were daft because you dont understand science.
Because you dont.
pgardn
02-22-2021, 10:19 PM
Appeal to popularity now. :lol
Emoticon.
Triggered.
Popularity on this board as a whole is definitely the belief there is NO sky god.
I am arguing that I understand perfectly why people have for 30,000 years, and will still (even with the rise of science) believe in the supernatural because SCIENCE cannot explain as much as YOU think it can. People actually thought there was an equation or set of equations that could explain everything. They still do. I say NO fckn way. We dont have the capability.
This you cant fathom for some reason.
You cant read.
Religion and philosophy answer questions on ethical and moral issues. They also GIVE answers to our understanding of ourselves. YOU dont like them. I dont either actually, but I get why the exist and then taken with the pitfalls of science that some people claim science is itself, just another endeavor to explain what we want to know. And not all that great when it comes to fundamentals given the state of what physics gives us. Biology... an utter mess of uncontrolled phenomena. Yes we get some fantastic stuff out. But the questions keep exploding.
"They are not machines, they are INSTRUMENTS" You are so OCD you cant think beyond a punctuation error I make.
You continue your old game of making false assertions I have made. I said you were daft because you dont understand science.
Because you dont.
That's like "this magic pill along with a sensible diet and exercise will help you lose weight"
Leave philosophy out of it. We are talking about religion, which I clearly defined earlier.
E-peen "I know more science than you" measuring attempt aside:
What does religion answer?
How does religion answer anything?
How is science compatible with religion?
Emoticon.
Triggered.
Popularity on this board as a whole is definitely the belief there is NO sky god.
I am arguing that I understand perfectly why people have for 30,000 years, and will still (even with the rise of science) believe in the supernatural because SCIENCE cannot explain as much as YOU think it can. People actually thought there was an equation or set of equations that could explain everything. They still do. I say NO fckn way. We dont have the capability.
This you cant fathom for some reason.
I never made the claim that you didn't understand why people believe in fairytale shit. I said they do, and Democrats do, and that's not compatible with science.
Now you've gone on and on about how much science you know and yet you cannot figure out how to get back to the point.
pgardn
02-22-2021, 10:29 PM
Don't get off track with the same old stupid shit. Either you have the answer or you don't. Turn to religion if you don't since you think are are basically science turned man.
You are such a fkn hypocrite old man.
You either have THE ANSWER or you dont. Binary boy.
I dont know if there is or is not a sky god. You know there is not.
Because you see a picture of white Jesus as the sky god.
I think we are puny thinkers, thats also what I think. WE dont know shit about the real fundamentals. WE CANT.
We dont have the capability. We never will. I feel pretty certain on this.
So you have shown absolutely nothing about lefties not wanting to take on certain SCIENCE questions.
pgardn
02-22-2021, 10:41 PM
I never made the claim that you didn't understand why people believe in fairytale shit. I said they do, and Democrats do, and that's not compatible with science.
Now you've gone on and on about how much science you know and yet you cannot figure out how to get back to the point.
It is compatible with science because they both attempt to answer very fundamental questions that we will ultimately not be able to understand.
Religion and Philosophy are not compatible with science because science uses very limited techniques, religion and philosophy try to answer questions science cannot. (and yes, you call it making shit up because we HAVE science; and science has disproven some very wild religious claims of major religions that exist TODAY)
Now go keep claiming you dont get.
When you think religion, you think the big 3 in the west. Its bigger. 30,000 years bigger and still changing even though Christians will claim it does not. Religion does give advice into some very prevalent human behavior that has existed for a very long time. So I think it has some very worthwhile attributes. From the West: Dont kill other people. Not bad, Im not going to disagree. Does it happen, yes. Jealousy... Getting joy out of others pain... lets see is that physics? I will try evolutionary biology.
Self absorbed... you need to read some on this. "No, no, no the world is a cruel place, if I dont kill you, you will kill me"
End discussion.
pgardn
02-22-2021, 11:03 PM
The incredibly ironic thing:
Red and turned orange DMC, the conservative Righty, is exactly who the conservative party is scared to death of.
People who dont have religion and therefore cant have any moral values. Atheists cannot possibly be ethical and caring says Ted and the rest.
So here we have DMC, kill or be killed guy, exhibiting exactly what his party is petrified of? Holy shit.
The psuedo Darwinian; "I take your stuff or you take mine. I want to survive so I must defeat you. There is no useful place for empathy or sympathy and there damn sure is no sacrifice on my part to help you out. fck that pathological altruism of those lefties."
Strange hubris exhibited by an old fart...
ElNono
02-22-2021, 11:04 PM
I have degrees :lmao
:lol snake with the usual low key throwing gas into the fire goods
Winehole23
02-22-2021, 11:04 PM
Keep swinging wildly. Maybe you can find a tweet to say what you cannot seem to muster - something more interesting than the typical mutterings of an alcoholic.I made you hop! :lol
Adam Lambert
02-22-2021, 11:05 PM
Don't move the goalposts to church and state. Believing in an invisible overlord is patently anti-science and it's taboo to mention it (as illustrated by your response in defense of theist democrats)
I haven't touched the goalposts. Belief is not an issue, we're talking about legislation. Republicans are the only party who use the Bible to craft legislation. Period.
Adam Lambert
02-22-2021, 11:10 PM
Adam only has time when he has what he thinks is a clever retort. Religion is taboo to him :lol "muh science".
:lmao
Me: Some people have activities outside of Spurstalk.com between 5pm and 10pm
dmc: INCONCEIVABLE!!!!
:lmao :lmao :lmao loser
You are such a fkn hypocrite old man.
You either have THE ANSWER or you dont. Binary boy.
I dont know if there is or is not a sky god. You know there is not.
Because you see a picture of white Jesus as the sky god.
I think we are puny thinkers, thats also what I think. WE dont know shit about the real fundamentals. WE CANT.
We dont have the capability. We never will. I feel pretty certain on this.
So you have shown absolutely nothing about lefties not wanting to take on certain SCIENCE questions.
This is the argument from ignorance approach. We are unable to understand the complexities of god yet somehow thousands of years ago we could.
It is compatible with science because they both attempt to answer very fundamental questions that we will ultimately not be able to understand.
Religion and Philosophy are not compatible with science because science uses very limited techniques, religion and philosophy try to answer questions science cannot. (and yes, you call it making shit up because we HAVE science; and science has disproven some very wild religious claims of major religions that exist TODAY)
What questions would that be exactly?
Ah so you admit that science and religion are not compatible. I see you keep putting philosophy in there as a rider.
I reject your claim that we will ultimately not be able to understand things. We might not accept the answers but we will find answers without the need to invoke a god or a god of gods.
Now go keep claiming you dont get.
When you think religion, you think the big 3 in the west. Its bigger. 30,000 years bigger and still changing even though Christians will claim it does not. Religion does give advice into some very prevalent human behavior that has existed for a very long time. So I think it has some very worthwhile attributes. From the West: Dont kill other people. Not bad, Im not going to disagree. Does it happen, yes. Jealousy... Getting joy out of others pain... lets see is that physics? I will try evolutionary biology.
Self absorbed... you need to read some on this. "No, no, no the world is a cruel place, if I dont kill you, you will kill me"
End discussion.
I have no idea where you went on that LSD trip you just took. First you tell me that there are answers that we cannot understand, then you tell me in the next paragraph what I think, then you call me self absorbed. You really are full of shit. You've done absolutely nothing but ramble on about meaningless shit and not even remotely attempted to address the questions I asked.
The incredibly ironic thing:
Red and turned orange DMC, the conservative Righty, is exactly who the conservative party is scared to death of.
People who dont have religion and therefore cant have any moral values. Atheists cannot possibly be ethical and caring says Ted and the rest.
So here we have DMC, kill or be killed guy, exhibiting exactly what his party is petrified of? Holy shit.
The psuedo Darwinian; "I take your stuff or you take mine. I want to survive so I must defeat you. There is no useful place for empathy or sympathy and there damn sure is no sacrifice on my part to help you out. fck that pathological altruism of those lefties."
Strange hubris exhibited by an old fart...
What's wrong, you don't know how to deal with non cookie-cutter style posters? I don't fit neatly into your worldview?
Too fucking bad.
Now explain what religion answers and how exactly it answers anything. You've been hedging away from the claims you made, slowly but surely, and eventually you'll simply say religion offers no answers. So why did you even start?
I haven't touched the goalposts. Belief is not an issue, we're talking about legislation. Republicans are the only party who use the Bible to craft legislation. Period.
So acting on your belief is bad but the belief itself is good?
:lol
Sure.
So you think being religious is anti science?
Lets start with that.
It is compatible with science because they both attempt to answer very fundamental questions that we will ultimately not be able to understand.
Religion and Philosophy are not compatible with science because science uses very limited techniques, religion and philosophy try to answer questions science cannot. (and yes, you call it making shit up because we HAVE science; and science has disproven some very wild religious claims of major religions that exist TODAY)
Holy shit :lol
(no pun)
pgardn
02-23-2021, 08:51 AM
This is the argument from ignorance approach. We are unable to understand the complexities of god yet somehow thousands of years ago we could.
What questions would that be exactly?
Ah so you admit that science and religion are not compatible. I see you keep putting philosophy in there as a rider.
I reject your claim that we will ultimately not be able to understand things. We might not accept the answers but we will find answers without the need to invoke a god or a god of gods.
I have no idea where you went on that LSD trip you just took. First you tell me that there are answers that we cannot understand, then you tell me in the next paragraph what I think, then you call me self absorbed. You really are full of shit. You've done absolutely nothing but ramble on about meaningless shit and not even remotely attempted to address the questions I asked.
What's wrong, you don't know how to deal with non cookie-cutter style posters? I don't fit neatly into your worldview?
Too fucking bad.
Now explain what religion answers and how exactly it answers anything. You've been hedging away from the claims you made, slowly but surely, and eventually you'll simply say religion offers no answers. So why did you even start?
again it is very clear you refuse to read.
I told you religion gives answers on ethical and moral questions that science cannot even begin to approach. Because you don’t consider ethical and moral questions even questions, this has made the discussion beyond your abilities. you basically don’t like the questions or the answers. you have no understanding how philosophy religion and science are alike and how they are different because the only questions you consider questions, are questions that only Science can give answers to because those questions only involve the limited approach of science.
I am saying if you look at science very closely it is also flawed because it is a human activity. Humans can only directly sense certain things. And even those senses are flawed by the way the brain reworks information based on our past experience. Because science has made much more reasonable explanations for phenomena than current religion, science has made religion oversteps seem silly.
You think science will figure out everything because you don’t understand science. Science cannot answer whether there are phenomena we cannot possibly sense that do affect the way things work around us. That would be called supernatural. In order to approach these problems we make models. These models have been flawed consistently because they are constantly reworked. Science does not stop re-explaining very fundamental phenomena it keeps going on. You think there is an end game and science will figure out everything. I think this opinion is dead wrong. In fact I know you can’t back up your opinion.
listen to the podcast I gave you because there are many more discussions with fundamental physics people, people that use science much more than you are I, Who knows science is fundamentally flawed but still no it’s the only way to go when trying to answer questions that involve the limited techniques of science.
some of them say there is a sky God of some sort, they are convinced exactly because we can find or begin to approach some very difficult questions. Others would say a sky God or sky gods are very improbable but that other supernatural phenomena absolutely exist and cannot be approached at this time or probably ever.
You think you are some sort of prophet by telling the board the world in the universe or a big bad unforgiving place? Hey guys I’m DMC, and I’m here with the bad news! Yet you can’t even explain basic human behavior like altruism. Why should it even exist. This is why you waiver back-and-forth between blowing people up, and acting like you care about other people. Maybe I am still too young and I’ve not experienced everything that old crotchety DMC has. “ let me tell you young man, to be soundly cynical is the only way to go“ . interactions amongst human beings bring up many questions so we invent laws. And you can’t see how science might do the same thing with physical phenomena? We invent with science as well, and it is flawed. But it is also very powerful because it can make fairly accurate predictions. Because of this we get types like you that have this very human hubris about the power of science.
pgardn
02-23-2021, 08:55 AM
Holy shit :lol
(no pun)
So comparisons cant involve similarities and differences?
You are a fkn idiot.
Read.
Science, religion, and philosophy are ways of trying to know the human experience.
In this way they are SIMILAR.
The techniques they use to try to answer questions and wait for it,.... the complete human experience, are very different.
This is how they are DISIMILAR.
Try to read you old retard (sound familiar?)
So comparisons cant involve similarities and differences?
You are a fkn idiot.
Read.
Science, religion, and philosophy are ways of trying to know the human experience.
In this way they are SIMILAR.
The techniques they use to try to answer questions and wait for it,.... the complete human experience, are very different.
This is how they are DISIMILAR.
Try to read you old retard (sound familiar?)
Either compatible or not compatible. Can't be both.
I see you lack the ability to set religion apart from philosophy, at least for the sake of your argument attempts.
Things don't need to be similar to be compatible.
Religion is not compatible with science. Special pleading on your part illustrates it. Democrats believe in the invisible sky daddy too. Maybe stop trying to pretend only one side believes in fairy tales and comfort based bullshit.
again it is very clear you refuse to read.
I told you religion gives answers on ethical and moral questions that science cannot even begin to approach. Because you don’t consider ethical and moral questions even questions, this has made the discussion beyond your abilities. you basically don’t like the questions or the answers. you have no understanding how philosophy religion and science are alike and how they are different because the only questions you consider questions, are questions that only Science can give answers to because those questions only involve the limited approach of science.
I am saying if you look at science very closely it is also flawed because it is a human activity. Humans can only directly sense certain things. And even those senses are flawed by the way the brain reworks information based on our past experience. Because science has made much more reasonable explanations for phenomena than current religion, science has made religion oversteps seem silly.
You think science will figure out everything because you don’t understand science. Science cannot answer whether there are phenomena we cannot possibly sense that do affect the way things work around us. That would be called supernatural. In order to approach these problems we make models. These models have been flawed consistently because they are constantly reworked. Science does not stop re-explaining very fundamental phenomena it keeps going on. You think there is an end game and science will figure out everything. I think this opinion is dead wrong. In fact I know you can’t back up your opinion.
listen to the podcast I gave you because there are many more discussions with fundamental physics people, people that use science much more than you are I, Who knows science is fundamentally flawed but still no it’s the only way to go when trying to answer questions that involve the limited techniques of science.
some of them say there is a sky God of some sort, they are convinced exactly because we can find or begin to approach some very difficult questions. Others would say a sky God or sky gods are very improbable but that other supernatural phenomena absolutely exist and cannot be approached at this time or probably ever.
You think you are some sort of prophet by telling the board the world in the universe or a big bad unforgiving place? Hey guys I’m DMC, and I’m here with the bad news! Yet you can’t even explain basic human behavior like altruism. Why should it even exist. This is why you waiver back-and-forth between blowing people up, and acting like you care about other people. Maybe I am still too young and I’ve not experienced everything that old crotchety DMC has. “ let me tell you young man, to be soundly cynical is the only way to go“ . interactions amongst human beings bring up many questions so we invent laws. And you can’t see how science might do the same thing with physical phenomena? We invent with science as well, and it is flawed. But it is also very powerful because it can make fairly accurate predictions. Because of this we get types like you that have this very human hubris about the power of science.
Supernatural phenomena? lol..
Th'Pusher
02-23-2021, 09:39 AM
Supernatural phenomena? lol..
DMC has to broaden his argument to most politicians claim to subscribe to a religion in order to claim Democrats are as bad as Republicans when it comes to denying science.
The pretzels he bends himself into just to both sides an argument :lol
What a fucking clown.
DMC has to broaden his argument to most politicians claim to subscribe to a religion in order to claim Democrats are as bad as Republicans when it comes to denying science.
The pretzels he bends himself into just to both sides an argument :lol
What a fucking clown.
That's the best you came up with? You can't challenge the assertion only lampoon it?
Kind of makes you a clown doesn't it?
Winehole23
02-23-2021, 02:07 PM
(i am rubber you are glue)
Th'Pusher
02-23-2021, 03:34 PM
That's the best you came up with? You can't challenge the assertion only lampoon it?
Kind of makes you a clown doesn't it?
What is your assertion...that anybody who associates themselves with a religion is incapable accepting science?
Winehole23
02-23-2021, 03:41 PM
hurr durr, there are religious nuts on both sides
Adam Lambert
02-23-2021, 03:52 PM
So acting on your belief is bad but the belief itself is good?
:lol
Whether belief in religion is "good" or not is a completely separate discussion and another goalpost move on your part.
There's no scriptural call for Christians to govern or craft legislate based on Christian principles. The biggest Biblical examples of religious leaders are the Pharisees, who adhered to strict Old Testament laws in their governing and are presented accordingly as bad leaders.
So "acting on your belief" does not mean, and has never meant, forcing your beliefs on others. As far as I'm aware, the Amish don't lobby Pennsylvania State legislators to ban electricity.
Republicans are the only party that actively rejects science as part of its core agenda. Religious Democrats aren't the ones pushing for Intelligent Design and Creation to be taught in science classrooms. Those are Republicans. Religious Democrats don't cite the Ten Commandments to oppose abortion. Those are Republicans.
This is not difficult.
Adam Lambert
02-23-2021, 04:00 PM
The left is cool with science as long as it doesn't explore their taboo subjects, things that might cause them discomfort to talk about.
Why don't we circle back to the comment that launched this whole part of the conversation. What are some examples of this?
I seriously doubt the post above is code for "Some Democrats go to church too!" So you must have had something else in mind.
Leetonidas
02-23-2021, 05:41 PM
:lol snake with the usual low key throwing gas into the fire goods
too bad it elicited no response tbh
What is your assertion...that anybody who associates themselves with a religion is incapable accepting science?
That religion and science are incompatible and that the elephant in the room for America is the belief or belief claim of a supernatural god. That it affects both parties, and that pretending science denial by some is somehow a worse form of cognitive dissonance than god belief is disingenuous and cowardly.
Why don't we circle back to the comment that launched this whole part of the conversation. What are some examples of this?
I seriously doubt the post above is code for "Some Democrats go to church too!" So you must have had something else in mind.
Strawman attempts this early just sets the tone for the rest of the discussion. The mental gymnastics some of you engage in just to try to reconcile your god belief with your disdain for science deniers is hilarious.
Whether belief in religion is "good" or not is a completely separate discussion and another goalpost move on your part.
I disagree. It's central to your argument. If good and bad don't matter, legislation based on belief doesn't matter. Professing belief in the supernatural, regardless how eloquently expressed, is admitting to being superstitious, which flies in the face of science because despite what you may know about scientific method, you forego it for the mental comfort of having the "answer" that pgardn mentioned. In reality you don't have the answer. You just have the comfort. This isn't any different than someone having the same comfort for believing that global warming is false, that evolution isn't happening and that god created Eve from the rib of Adam.
There's no scriptural call for Christians to govern or craft legislate based on Christian principles. The biggest Biblical examples of religious leaders are the Pharisees, who adhered to strict Old Testament laws in their governing and are presented accordingly as bad leaders.
Now you're using the Bible as a defense for your own religion. The issue isn't the characters in the book. The issue is the god that the characters believe exists, and how that belief has no basis in science. The same is true today. However your "good/bad" usage seems now to be an acceptable measuring stick suddenly.
So "acting on your belief" does not mean, and has never meant, forcing your beliefs on others. As far as I'm aware, the Amish don't lobby Pennsylvania State legislators to ban electricity.
So you're now saying that legislating based on your beliefs is bad. I'm just trying to get it straight because initially you said good or bad doesn't matter, which I agree with only for the sake of discussion. The issue is the belief, not what you do with it. If you hold the belief, you're superstitious. Superstition is counter to science.
Republicans are the only party that actively rejects science as part of its core agenda. Religious Democrats aren't the ones pushing for Intelligent Design and Creation to be taught in science classrooms. Those are Republicans. Religious Democrats don't cite the Ten Commandments to oppose abortion. Those are Republicans.
I showed you how many democrats profess a belief in a god. Professing a belief in a god is professing to be superstitious, and claiming that a supernatural being exists and acts upon the world we live in. Where is science in that?
This is not difficult.
It's absolutely not difficult. Your god belief is in fact more silly than someone disbelieving science, because scientists have the daunting task of proving each other wrong and have done so time and again whereas theists meditate on an ancient story for decades to try to muster up some semblance of belief in it, then they swear up and down it's flawless to the letter. You can prove global warming to a dipshit anti-science person. You cannot get a theist to even consider disproving their make believe god. Hell, they have an entire bubble lifestyle dedicated to that pretend deity, they build huge buildings and do all sorts of shit. Anti science idiots are just annoying, mostly.
Winehole23
02-23-2021, 07:56 PM
That's some overwraught bullshit.
Nice meltdown, DMC. :tu
ElNono
02-23-2021, 08:31 PM
too bad it elicited no response tbh
:lol one of the best trolljobs in a minute around here, tbh...
pgardn
02-23-2021, 08:37 PM
Supernatural phenomena? lol..
Yes.
Beyond science at this time. Will it stay untouchable... who knows.
We still cant figure out a whole lot of fundamental stuff.
Would you like me to go through the huge problem of gravity with the Standard Model?
I dont understand the math, but I understand the basic concept.
pgardn
02-23-2021, 08:43 PM
That religion and science are incompatible and that the elephant in the room for America is the belief or belief claim of a supernatural god. That it affects both parties, and that pretending science denial by some is somehow a worse form of cognitive dissonance than god belief is disingenuous and cowardly.
What a crock of shit.
You cant get western religion and white christ out of your head.
You are so narrow minded you think this is all about heaven and hell and some afterlife!
Just stfu old fart.
Ef-man
02-23-2021, 08:52 PM
Father Georges Lemaître and the Origins of the Big Bang Theory.
http://scihi.org/george-lemaitre-big-bang-theory/
Th'Pusher
02-23-2021, 09:02 PM
That religion and science are incompatible and that the elephant in the room for America is the belief or belief claim of a supernatural god. That it affects both parties, and that pretending science denial by some is somehow a worse form of cognitive dissonance than god belief is disingenuous and cowardly.
Now it’s clear why you’re so uninterested in giving actual examples of these taboo subjects the left isn’t cool with discussing through a scientific lens. Keep it black and white. There are people on left that believe in god, so that’s enough reason to not discuss the actual product of these beliefs, particularly when it’s legislative.
Now it’s clear why you’re so uninterested in giving actual examples of these taboo subjects the left isn’t cool with discussing through a scientific lens. Keep it black and white. There are people on left that believe in god, so that’s enough reason to not discuss the actual product of these beliefs, particularly when it’s legislative.
Now it's about product of the beliefs. Now we're back to value judgements, good and bad.
What a crock of shit.
You cant get western religion and white christ out of your head.
You are so narrow minded you think this is all about heaven and hell and some afterlife!
Just stfu old fart.
There's your IQ peeking out again, Jethro.
Yes.
Beyond science at this time. Will it stay untouchable... who knows.
We still cant figure out a whole lot of fundamental stuff.
Would you like me to go through the huge problem of gravity with the Standard Model?
I dont understand the math, but I understand the basic concept.
So you know it exists and because there's a modeling issue, you have relegated it to the unknowable sky daddy.
That's some overwraught bullshit.
Nice meltdown, DMC. :tu
:lol without your tweet spam you're just a paper doll.
Th'Pusher
02-23-2021, 09:52 PM
Now it's about product of the beliefs. Now we're back to value judgements, good and bad.
Yeah. You’re the one who introduced the god belief red herring.
It’s really the product irrespective of belief. The product, in this case legislation from the right or left, should be based on good science as much as possible, regardless of which legislators and their constituents believes in the old man in the sky.
Yeah. You’re the one who introduced the god belief red herring.
It’s really the product irrespective of belief. The product, in this case legislation from the right or left, should be based on good science as much as possible, regardless of which legislators and their constituents believes in the old man in the sky.
Good science? Like this?
"It is compatible with science because they both attempt to answer very fundamental questions that we will ultimately not be able to understand."
and this:
"Science cannot answer whether there are phenomena we cannot possibly sense that do affect the way things work around us. That would be called supernatural."
:lmao
Winehole23
02-23-2021, 10:26 PM
:lol without your tweet spam you're just a paper doll.rasping your fingers at a paper doll. :lol
Th'Pusher
02-23-2021, 11:12 PM
Good science? Like this?
"It is compatible with science because they both attempt to answer very fundamental questions that we will ultimately not be able to understand."
and this:
"Science cannot answer whether there are phenomena we cannot possibly sense that do affect the way things work around us. That would be called supernatural."
:lmao
What does that have to do with me?
What does that have to do with me?
Odd question since I don't recall pulling your chain.
Th'Pusher
02-23-2021, 11:40 PM
Odd question since I don't recall pulling your chain.
Really? You quoted me. Clean yourself up sloppy joe
pgardn
02-24-2021, 09:08 AM
There's your IQ peeking out again, Jethro.
wonderful retort.
there are scientists right now that believe we can understand everything about the universe. Because a number of things we have found so far work out very beautifully, almost to a beautiful perfection. This supposed perfection that a primate evolved for life on the savanna, who has invented symbolic language, can figure out. This idea of a perfection is built into many religions. This implies things can’t be messy. Which scientist throughout our history look at and say this reeks of some sort of perfect design . And that some primate evolved for surviving on mixed grass lands and trees can figure it all out?
The fact that you think we can figure it out reeks of a perfect design. why can’t it be absolutely screwed up messy? it’s here for us to figure out? Thank you for becoming religious.
if you can’t see where I’m headed here, I can’t help you anymore. this also stinks of a creator/force/something that has made things perfect for us? (and has nothing to do with life or death you big wad) so you can get your manly coward, afraid to die, bullshit out of the discussion. The universe is so perfect that an ape can figure it out...? keep going with your totally simplistic camel crap religion. DMC and his religion of Human Hubris.
You can now go back to attacking your selected to be vulnerable white Jesus religion to make yourself comfortable.
pgardn
02-24-2021, 09:14 AM
Sorry I pulled you in and sucker punched you DMC.
but you were begging for it, again.
For DMC there is nothing in the universe, no mystery no secret of nature which can defy the power of effort and reason of this mighty primate. At least the scientists who think this admit it is a type of religion.
Now go back to picking on Jesus and an afterlife.
Yeah. You’re the one who introduced the god belief red herring.
It’s really the product irrespective of belief. The product, in this case legislation from the right or left, should be based on good science as much as possible, regardless of which legislators and their constituents believes in the old man in the sky.
Good science? Like this?
"It is compatible with science because they both attempt to answer very fundamental questions that we will ultimately not be able to understand."
and this:
"Science cannot answer whether there are phenomena we cannot possibly sense that do affect the way things work around us. That would be called supernatural."
:lmao
What does that have to do with me?
Odd question since I don't recall pulling your chain.
Really? You quoted me. Clean yourself up sloppy joe
You really are a fucking idiot, aren't you?
wonderful retort.
there are scientists right now that believe we can understand everything about the universe. Because a number of things we have found so far work out very beautifully, almost to a beautiful perfection. This supposed perfection that a primate evolved for life on the savanna, who has invented symbolic language, can figure out. This idea of a perfection is built into many religions. This implies things can’t be messy. Which scientist throughout our history look at and say this reeks of some sort of perfect design . And that some primate evolved for surviving on mixed grass lands and trees can figure it all out?
The fact that you think we can figure it out reeks of a perfect design. why can’t it be absolutely screwed up messy? it’s here for us to figure out? Thank you for becoming religious.
if you can’t see where I’m headed here, I can’t help you anymore. this also stinks of a creator/force/something that has made things perfect for us? (and has nothing to do with life or death you big wad) so you can get your manly coward, afraid to die, bullshit out of the discussion. The universe is so perfect that an ape can figure it out...? keep going with your totally simplistic camel crap religion. DMC and his religion of Human Hubris.
You can now go back to attacking your selected to be vulnerable white Jesus religion to make yourself comfortable.
Supernatural Jethro, poster child for Dunning Kruger. :lol
Sorry I pulled you in and sucker punched you DMC.
but you were begging for it, again.
For DMC there is nothing in the universe, no mystery no secret of nature which can defy the power of effort and reason of this mighty primate. At least the scientists who think this admit it is a type of religion.
Now go back to picking on Jesus and an afterlife.
"I pulled you in" he says after typing a fucking novella on his phone while taking a shit at work.
Yeah you really showed me, Jethro. Those supernatural phenomena are really something for us to wonder about and be in awe of. We are simple humans, we cannot hope to understand the complexities of the unknown.
Th'Pusher
02-24-2021, 07:30 PM
You really are a fucking idiot, aren't you?
No. Wipe the load off your dress tho.
No. Wipe the load off your dress tho.
hurr durr
Low IQ response as expected.
pgardn
02-24-2021, 08:56 PM
"I pulled you in" he says after typing a fucking novella on his phone while taking a shit at work.
Yeah you really showed me, Jethro. Those supernatural phenomena are really something for us to wonder about and be in awe of. We are simple humans, we cannot hope to understand the complexities of the unknown.
Are we animals?
Can you please explain how this animal gained the ability to contemplate its own existence AND work out symbolic language so that it thinks it can solve every mystery of the universe. Oh we are really close now DMC? Because its during your existence? A primate that EVOLVED for living on grassy mid forest areas somehow gains the ability to acquire these abilities because.... why? So it can mourn when others die and fear its dying. YOu will really like this one big bad guy who has given us the words we have never heard before. Like none of us have every thought about what they felt 50 million years ago (absolutely nothing, go figure that, you have broken a huge boundary with the news.)
See the problem is you have no concept of the history of science or the slightest clue about how unlikely it is that one primate evolves these totally unique behaviors that really had no selective value at that time. Do you have any clue as to how unlikely it is to even get vertebrates when you look at all the evidence from evolution? You dont understand physics, biology, or the history of science. You are preaching a type of religion. Does science say it can solve everything to you fckn dumbass? Because of the process it uses CAN SAY NOTHING of the sort. Its not a science assertion. It fits more with religion than philosophy. So congrats. If you think there are things that are beyond science at this point then it is supernatural. You dont understand the definition. So could you please tell me how science is going to go about answering everything (and including ethical and moral questions if you wish.) The cycle right now, in your lifetime, is another model that will be revised or completely undone as new observations come in and it does not predict squat. Can you tell me what the Standard Model predicts? Can you tell me why there are currently six fundamental particles and physicists are not at all happy about this? Currently is the important word here. So when does currently end and everything is solved. What does your religion of knowing everything say about this?
You again overstep your knowledge and have no idea what you are talking about.
Throw some substance in with your insults, can you at least do that? Do you read about any of this?
Just say no.
And then keep going.
This is fun.
Are we animals?
Can you please explain how this animal gained the ability to contemplate its own existence AND work out symbolic language so that it thinks it can solve every mystery of the universe. Oh we are really close now DMC? Because its during your existence? A primate that EVOLVED for living on grassy mid forest areas somehow gains the ability to acquire these abilities because.... why?
See the problem is you have no concept of the history of science or the slightest clue about how unlikely it is that one primate evolves these totally unique behaviors that really had no selective value. You dont understand physics, biology, or the history of science. You are preaching a type of religion. Does science say it can solve everything to you fckn dumbass? Because the process it uses CAN SAY NOTHING of the sort. Its not a science assertion. It fits more with religion than philosophy. So congrats. If you think there are things that are beyond science at this point then it is supernatural. You dont understand the definition. So could you please tell me how science is going to go about answering everything (and including ethical and moral questions if you wish.) The cycle right now, in your lifetime, is another model that will be revised or completely undone as new observations come in and it does not predict squat. Can you tell me what the Standard Model predicts? Can you tell me why there are currently six fundamental particles and physicists are not at all happy about this? Currently is the important word here. So when does currently end and everything is solved. What does your religion of knowing everything say?
You again overstep your knowledge and have no idea what you are talking about.
Throw some substance in with your insults, can you at least do that? Do you read about any of this?
Just say no. And then keep going. This is fun.
:lol Supernatural
:lol "scientist"
pgardn
02-24-2021, 09:05 PM
:lol Supernatural
:lol "scientist"
Thats what I thought.
A big fat fingered fold by the religion of understanding everything.
Got the emoticon.
pgardn
02-24-2021, 09:06 PM
Tap out.
Th'Pusher
02-24-2021, 09:07 PM
hurr durr
Low IQ response as expected.
:lol
This from the guy who drops ScIeNcE aNd rElGiOn ArENt CoMpAtIbLe! Like a fucking 22 year old neck beard itching to win the internet.
The best part was you declaring victory after a few hours of not getting the requisite number of responses.
:lol
Clown.
Thats what I thought.
A big fat fingered fold by the religion of understanding everything.
Got the emoticon.
Tap out.
https://static0.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Rob-Benedict-as-Chuck-God-in-Supernatural.jpg
:lol
This from the guy who drops ScIeNcE aNd rElGiOn ArENt CoMpAtIbLe! Like a fucking 22 year old neck beard itching to win the internet.
The best part was you declaring victory after a few hours of not getting the requisite number of responses.
:lol
Clown.
The copycat shtick of upper case/lower case to cover for your lack of mental acuity is cute.
Keep responding, you trigger so easily :lol
pgardn
02-24-2021, 10:16 PM
Tap out.
pgardn
02-24-2021, 10:24 PM
"The mighty ape will understand all I say. And I am not a religious person."
-DMCrapIMakeUp
Th'Pusher
02-24-2021, 10:38 PM
The copycat shtick of upper case/lower case to cover for your lack of mental acuity is cute.
Keep responding, you trigger so easily :lol
Come on. You shoehorned in a cliche science and religion aren’t compatible argument so that you could both sides republicans don’t respect science.
Then you angrily declared victory because you didn’t get the level of interaction you wanted.
You’re just a clown. You’re not serious and you have the mentality of middle school bully as long as you can hide behind anonymity.
"The mighty ape will understand all I say. And I am not a religious person."
-DMCrapIMakeUp
Come on. You shoehorned in a cliche science and religion aren’t compatible argument so that you could both sides republicans don’t respect science.
Then you angrily declared victory because you didn’t get the level of interaction you wanted.
You’re just a clown. You’re not serious and you have the mentality of middle school bully as long as you can hide behind anonymity.
Supernatural
Ghosts
OBEs
Art Bell
Jeebus
Creationism
Telekinesis
ESP
:lol
Idiots
Th'Pusher
02-24-2021, 11:03 PM
"The Crew" after the religion bomb
https://newsd.co/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/dog-refuses-food.gif
Supernatural
Ghosts
OBEs
Art Bell
Jeebus
Creationism
Telekinesis
ESP
:lol
Idiots
Religion bomb :lol
Adam Lambert
02-25-2021, 01:34 AM
I disagree. It's central to your argument. If good and bad don't matter, legislation based on belief doesn't matter. Professing belief in the supernatural, regardless how eloquently expressed, is admitting to being superstitious, which flies in the face of science because despite what you may know about scientific method, you forego it for the mental comfort of having the "answer" that pgardn mentioned. In reality you don't have the answer. You just have the comfort. This isn't any different than someone having the same comfort for believing that global warming is false, that evolution isn't happening and that god created Eve from the rib of Adam.
Now you're using the Bible as a defense for your own religion. The issue isn't the characters in the book. The issue is the god that the characters believe exists, and how that belief has no basis in science. The same is true today. However your "good/bad" usage seems now to be an acceptable measuring stick suddenly.
So you're now saying that legislating based on your beliefs is bad. I'm just trying to get it straight because initially you said good or bad doesn't matter, which I agree with only for the sake of discussion. The issue is the belief, not what you do with it. If you hold the belief, you're superstitious. Superstition is counter to science.
I showed you how many democrats profess a belief in a god. Professing a belief in a god is professing to be superstitious, and claiming that a supernatural being exists and acts upon the world we live in. Where is science in that?
It's absolutely not difficult. Your god belief is in fact more silly than someone disbelieving science, because scientists have the daunting task of proving each other wrong and have done so time and again whereas theists meditate on an ancient story for decades to try to muster up some semblance of belief in it, then they swear up and down it's flawless to the letter. You can prove global warming to a dipshit anti-science person. You cannot get a theist to even consider disproving their make believe god. Hell, they have an entire bubble lifestyle dedicated to that pretend deity, they build huge buildings and do all sorts of shit. Anti science idiots are just annoying, mostly.
All I asked for was that you provide an example of Democrat legislation that is as anti-science as Republicans. Your response has been several pages of strawmen and red herrings, concluded with this epic psychobabble. :lol
So I take it you can't think of anything. You could've saved yourself a lot of time and just said so.
It is what it is. People who reject scientific consensus thrive in only one of the two major political parties in this country.
I'm sorry if that's inconvenient to your need to both-sides everything.
The left is cool with science as long as it doesn't explore their taboo subjects, things that might cause them discomfort to talk about.
I'm sure you have an example of this, as well as an example of politicians on the left specifically denouncing that science.
So only republicans believe in an invisible sky buddy? :lol
Since when?
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All I asked for was that you provide an example of Democrat legislation that is as anti-science as Republicans. Your response has been several pages of strawmen and red herrings, concluded with this epic psychobabble. :lol
So I take it you can't think of anything. You could've saved yourself a lot of time and just said so.
:lol
Moving the goalposts.
Religion bomb :lol
:lol Crew cleared out immediately
:lol pgardn's novel about the supernatural
:lol you trying to mop up the jizz
:lol Adam Spurmbert moving the goalposts
pgardn
02-25-2021, 08:52 AM
The Pusher explained it perfectly..
You have a baby boy understanding of what religion, philosophy, and science really are. You asked for interaction and got more than you could handle.
You puff your chest out, make grand declarations, and then realized you stepped in the shit.
if you stick with things you really understand (maybe guns?) you will be much better off.
Then you won’t have to spend time disingenuously reframing other peoples arguments and proving yourself a hypocrite by claiming others really don’t understand the depth of your argument.
Your MO is getting very repetitious, you could keep it to yourself.
Do that. Or how about read something so you don’t have to make stuff up when you get stranded. But nobody could have as much expertise as you. The last administration emboldened you to make a fool of yourself.
Th'Pusher
02-25-2021, 09:00 AM
"The Crew" after the religion bomb
https://newsd.co/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/dog-refuses-food.gif
:lol Crew cleared out immediately
:lol pgardn's novel about the supernatural
:lol you trying to mop up the jizz
:lol Adam Spurmbert moving the goalposts
Saying religion and science are incompatible and then pointing out there are religious people on the left ins’t a bomb you idiot. It’s a lazy way to both-sides an argument which is all you do in this forum.
You got pgardn to rodeo with you. Congrats!
But you’re not serious. You’re a clown. And kind of pathetic.
Adam Lambert
02-25-2021, 09:58 AM
:lol
Moving the goalposts.
Those aren't examples of Democrat leaders questioning science in favor of religion.
You have failed. You shouldn't have entered an unwinnable argument. Not even ducks would suggest Democrats and Republicans are equal in their religious disdain for science.
Winehole23
02-25-2021, 12:00 PM
"The Crew" after the religion bomb
https://newsd.co/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/dog-refuses-food.gif
I see folks did circle back, are you feeling any tenderness today?
The Pusher explained it perfectly..
You have a baby boy understanding of what religion, philosophy, and science really are. You asked for interaction and got more than you could handle.
You puff your chest out, make grand declarations, and then realized you stepped in the shit.
if you stick with things you really understand (maybe guns?) you will be much better off.
Then you won’t have to spend time disingenuously reframing other peoples arguments and proving yourself a hypocrite by claiming others really don’t understand the depth of your argument.
Your MO is getting very repetitious, you could keep it to yourself.
Do that. Or how about read something so you don’t have to make stuff up when you get stranded. But nobody could have as much expertise as you. The last administration emboldened you to make a fool of yourself.
:lol "muh supernatural"
You lost any science credibility in one post. :lmao
I see folks did circle back, are you feeling any tenderness today?
:lol believing in some invisible sky daddy
:lol "science based!"
:lol gas lighting to hide both
Thar be ghosts!
Th'Pusher lurking, trying to come up with something witty and edgy.. keep Googling, Jesus freak.
Winehole23
02-25-2021, 07:22 PM
:lol believing in some invisible sky daddy
:lol "science based!"
:lol gas lighting to hide both
Thar be ghosts!Forced hilarity is a clown face, what does it feel like behind the mask?
Those aren't examples of Democrat leaders questioning science in favor of religion.
You have failed. You shouldn't have entered an unwinnable argument. Not even ducks would suggest Democrats and Republicans are equal in their religious disdain for science.
You're full of shit.
"All I asked for was that you provide an example of Democrat legislation that is as anti-science as Republicans."
vs
"I'm sure you have an example of this, as well as an example of politicians on the left specifically denouncing that science."
So yes you moved the goalpost when I said you moved the goalpost. Going back to your original position doesn't change the fact that you moved the goalpost.
“We put on the full armor of God so that we can stand our ground when we take on the rulers, the authorities, and the powers of this dark world.” -Kirsten Gillibrand
There goes that scientifically based armor of the scientifically proven God that allows the left to stand their ground when they take on the dark overlords of the underworld :lol
How many XP do you get for that?
Forced hilarity is a clown face, what does it feel like behind the mask?
Still jizz mopping I see. Chop chop
Winehole23
02-25-2021, 08:05 PM
Still jizz mopping I see. Chop chopThanks for sharing, self-disclosure was optional.
Thanks for sharing, self-disclosure was optional.
Lonely night for you I suppose, still sober?
Winehole23
02-25-2021, 08:15 PM
Lonely night for you I suppose, still sober?Not at all, enjoying a bit of Vermut and telly with the SO and the kitty right now.
Very cozy.
Not at all, enjoying a bit of Vermut and telly with the SO and the kitty right now.
Very cozy.
So not at all sober?
You seem like a cat person.
Winehole23
02-25-2021, 08:19 PM
You seem like a cat person.I am in the sense that cats have adopted me from time to time. A cat comes and goes like a man.
I am in the sense that cats have adopted me from time to time. A cat comes and goes like a man.
I'll leave that one alone.
Winehole23
02-25-2021, 08:22 PM
I'll leave that one alone.I don't know why not :lol
Winehole23
02-25-2021, 08:39 PM
det bingo card :lol
pgardn
02-25-2021, 09:17 PM
:lol "muh supernatural"
You lost any science credibility in one post. :lmao
I had credibility?
Dont be such a dunce.
Why does that word scare you. It does not necessarily mean magic, it means above current understanding "above natural (explainable)"
Dont be such an idiot. Things wont stay that way. Gravity was once super natural. But knowing everything...? thats religion bud.
You got slaughtered, its not the first time.
This is about as ridiculous as you tapping out due to spelling errors.
Its just your way to save face. Take the L you earned.
I had credibility?
Dont be such a dunce.
Why does that word scare you. It does not necessarily mean magic, it means above current understanding "above natural (explainable)"
Dont be such an idiot. Things wont stay that way. Gravity was once super natural. But knowing everything...? thats religion bud.
You got slaughtered, its not the first time.
This is about as ridiculous as you tapping out due to spelling errors.
Its just your way to save face. Take the L you earned.
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Supernatural
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The word supernatural (from Latin: supernātūrālis) is used for things that some people believe are real, but that are not part of nature or inexplicable by the scientific laws of nature. Because we cannot prove whether these things are real, people often disagree about these things.
Some say that we should talk about things without talking about the supernatural, because we cannot prove that supernatural things are real. Other people say that although we cannot prove supernatural things in a scientific way, they are real. Some examples of supernatural things or examples are:
magic
miracles
precognition
demonic possession
souls, spirits or ghosts
monsters
yōkai
grim reaper
angels
devils, asuras or demon
kami
UFOs
legendary creatures
God or gods
parapsychology
:lol paganrdn
pgardn
02-26-2021, 09:08 AM
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Supernatural
From Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The word supernatural (from Latin: supernātūrālis) is used for things that some people believe are real, but that are not part of nature or inexplicable by the scientific laws of nature. Because we cannot prove whether these things are real, people often disagree about these things.
Some say that we should talk about things without talking about the supernatural, because we cannot prove that supernatural things are real. Other people say that although we cannot prove supernatural things in a scientific way, they are real. Some examples of supernatural things or examples are:
magic
miracles
precognition
demonic possession
souls, spirits or ghosts
monsters
yōkai
grim reaper
angels
devils, asuras or demon
kami
UFOs
legendary creatures
God or gods
parapsychology
:lol paganrdn
Yes good.
GRAVITY was considered Supernatural.
There are NOW models that present it as a field and it bends space time.
Except that it directly contradicts the other cherished standard model.
You still pretend not to understand.
Go back to your religion of the ape understanding EVERYTHING.
I can’t help it if your definition of religion only involves a white Jesus.
Or a belief in an afterlife that you deem COWARDLY.
DMC is here to tell you. Like missing the lfirst~ 6 billion years of the universe weighs so heavily on our minds as to make us cowards and reject science.
Its about accepting that there are other ways of thinking we know wtf is going on and pretending we solve ethical and moral problems because science CANNOT. And understanding the similarities and differences..
You are the valiant atheist here to give us the news? And then you dare mention Dunning Kruger just so you can complete your character as a hypocrite.
stfu old man
or keep going
pgardn
02-26-2021, 09:31 AM
I'll leave that one alone.
But you will tell us we will understand EVERYTHING.
Yes good.
GRAVITY was considered Supernatural.
There are NOW models that present it as a field and it bends space time.
Except that it directly contradicts the other cherished standard model.
You still pretend not to understand.
Go back to your religion of the ape understanding EVERYTHING.
I can’t help it if your definition of religion only involves a white Jesus.
Or a belief in an afterlife that you deem COWARDLY.
DMC is here to tell you. Like missing the lfirst~ 6 billion years of the universe weighs so heavily on our minds as to make us cowards and reject science.
Its about accepting that there are other ways of thinking we know wtf is going on and pretending we solve ethical and moral problems because science CANNOT. And understanding the similarities and differences..
You are the valiant atheist here to give us the news? And then you dare mention Dunning Kruger just so you can complete your character as a hypocrite.
stfu old man
or keep going
1st, speak for yourself. This "we" shit is just a way for you to spread out the stupidity so you don't appear like such a nutjob.
So you believe in the occult, the paranormal, witchcraft, genies, el chupacabra, OBEs, aliens... God.. angels, Satan.. Thor, Loki.. Asgard...
How about Lilith?
:lol
Maybe meltdown a little more and use all caps more often.
But you will tell us we will understand EVERYTHING.
Are you some spokesperson here for a group? No?
Then stfu.
pgardn
02-26-2021, 10:52 PM
1st, speak for yourself. This "we" shit is just a way for you to spread out the stupidity so you don't appear like such a nutjob.
So you believe in the occult, the paranormal, witchcraft, genies, el chupacabra, OBEs, aliens... God.. angels, Satan.. Thor, Loki.. Asgard...
How about Lilith?
:lol
Maybe meltdown a little more and use all caps more often.
Sure exactly.
Emoticon man.
I said nothing of the sort.
You said we are Gods and will understand everything.
You and your definition of religion extend no further than the belief in a sky god occurs because people are afraid to die and are cowards.
Thats it and thats all for you. Make it that simple so you can feel good.
pgardn
02-26-2021, 10:53 PM
Are you some spokesperson here for a group? No?
Then stfu.
ah the irony... everyone says...
The hypocrisy again.
Sure exactly.
Emoticon man.
I said nothing of the sort.
You said we are Gods and will understand everything.
You and your definition of religion extend no further than the belief in a sky god occurs because people are afraid to die and are cowards.
Thats it and thats all for you. Make it that simple so you can feel good.
ELISA creator turned ghost hunter.
What a clown :lol
And I thought Wild Cobra was full of himself. You're like HOF level.
pgardn
02-27-2021, 08:18 AM
ELISA creator turned ghost hunter.
What a clown :lol
And I thought Wild Cobra was full of himself. You're like HOF level.
The guy who says we will understand Everything thinks who is full of himself and his religion?
How much humility did you show as an editor of Time Magazine?
Back to the old methods old man... ? okay. Let’s do another complete circle.
Winehole23
02-27-2021, 08:50 AM
DMC declaring victory day after day, this one must've stung.
The guy who says we will understand Everything thinks who is full of himself and his religion?
How much humility did you show as an editor of Time Magazine?
Back to the old methods old man... ? okay. Let’s do another complete circle.
The guy who thinks it's more plausible that a supernatural being already understands everything than it is that we will, thinks it's more likely that things we don't currently have a scientific model for are supernatural. Same guy who said gravity is supernatural. :lol
https://media1.giphy.com/media/l2YWkhCvZ2ufDVar6/giphy.gif
Winehole23
02-27-2021, 09:12 AM
still some tenderness, I see
still some tenderness, I see
Says the one following me from thread to thread :lol
Winehole23
02-27-2021, 09:36 AM
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pgardn
02-27-2021, 10:29 PM
The guy who thinks it's more plausible that a supernatural being already understands everything than it is that we will, thinks it's more likely that things we don't currently have a scientific model for are supernatural. Same guy who said gravity is supernatural. :lol
Go back and read my statement.
You are a disingenuous fool who rephrases every punishment L you take.
Its got a hold of you and won’t let go.
You and the religion of man as a God and knowing everything.
I think you mixed this up with Christians creating God in their own image saying.
Got the emoticon.
You are tender.
Winehole23
02-27-2021, 10:50 PM
:lol
https://cdn-media-1.freecodecamp.org/images/C9OQH-2w3g-1Ayj08mjYLwlpI46QAbxgtyqa
Go back and read my statement.
You are a disingenuous fool who rephrases every punishment L you take.
Its got a hold of you and won’t let go.
You and the religion of man as a God and knowing everything. wut?
I think you mixed this up with Christians creating God in their own image saying.
Got the emoticon.
You are tender.
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koriwhat
02-28-2021, 05:15 AM
It's not magic. Social distancing, masking, improved hand hygiene and sanitation have kicked the flu's ass this year.
But not the china virus so fuck masks then! :tu
pgardn
02-28-2021, 11:46 AM
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do you know what it means to know everything?
do I need to go back and show you where you claim science will bring us to this?
This is a religion you have produced and you are the head God.
I like the picture, do those instead of emoticons.
pgardn
02-28-2021, 12:00 PM
For any of those interested, and I know it’s in the wrong thread, I think this goofy host gets some very good experimental physicist to talk about their work and then opinions on theory. If you go to about the 40 minute mark, you will miss a lot of the background, but you will get a general sense that physicists are nowhere close and will never get anywhere close too fundamental equations that explain everything about our universe.
The experimental physicist in this podcast also brings up the fact that chemistry and biology kick the fundamental stuff to a much higher level and clearly make it impossible to know everything. There are many more podcasts like this with some physicist holding out hope but you can tell it’s a mess. And honestly what fun would it be knowing everything? That’s one of the cornerstones of my religion. My Christian friends who are in science claim that God has given us endless Christmas presents to keep opening; Yet never getting to the end of the packages. That’s cool with me, just stick to the endless question part.
https://lexfridman.com/harry-cliff/
I got many more but some do you have to listen to too much basic stuff to get to the theoretical that needs to be tested.
*or; crinkle trash*
You've been backpedaling for a while now.
"We don't know everything ergo god" is an age old, well debunked argument. The more we know the less "god" there is. Why not just replace "god" with "the unknown" and stop calling it supernatural?
I know, comfort and all.
People all along the political spectrum deny science in favor of comfort. For some it's global warming science, for others its creation or evolution. You won't be successful trying to defend it if you're going to keep trying to use science as a standard.
For any of those interested, and I know it’s in the wrong thread, I think this goofy host gets some very good experimental physicist to talk about their work and then opinions on theory. If you go to about the 40 minute mark, you will miss a lot of the background, but you will get a general sense that physicists are nowhere close and will never get anywhere close too fundamental equations that explain everything about our universe.
The experimental physicist in this podcast also brings up the fact that chemistry and biology kick the fundamental stuff to a much higher level and clearly make it impossible to know everything. There are many more podcasts like this with some physicist holding out hope but you can tell it’s a mess. And honestly what fun would it be knowing everything? That’s one of the cornerstones of my religion. My Christian friends who are in science claim that God has given us endless Christmas presents to keep opening; Yet never getting to the end of the packages. That’s cool with me, just stick to the endless question part.
https://lexfridman.com/harry-cliff/
I got many more but some do you have to listen to too much basic stuff to get to the theoretical that needs to be tested.
*or; crinkle trash*
So you're not ok with "I don't know" and need a god to settle it? How is that remotely scientific?
pgardn
02-28-2021, 09:21 PM
So you're not ok with "I don't know" and need a god to settle it? How is that remotely scientific?
Im okay with Christians saying I dont know AND believing in the supernatural. Thats not my way.
Because religion and philosophy deal with moral and ethical questions for me (and even "what can we know" questions), which is a lot bigger deal for me when answering questions that deal with a wider range of questions. And I dont use religion to explain physical phenomena. Get it?
by saying you can understand everything using science, you stepped in it and went religious.
Backpedaling... Your toes are vertically beneath your butt old man.
"I dont know" is not in your language if you think we can know everything.
For me there will always be I dont knows in science as well, because science uses metaphors and analogies to try to explain phenomena like gravity that just dont work. "well, imagine a ball rolling down a hill" well you know what, things on the level of the very small are very large and far away cannot be explained by analogies used at our evolutionary level of understanding "size" and "time". ie its NOT at all "like a ball rolling down a hill", its like nothing like this at all, it can best be described by math. And then the math starts breaking down.
Newton and Leibniz invent calculus. Its a method that explains instantaneous speed and later direction. And it opens up a can of worms. One of these creators saw it and said we can never understand God's world, the other said its so beautiful, its God's way of showing us the perfection of "his" world. And now more people get a charge out of using science to rip up other "silly" people who use the Bible to make physical predictions. (I profess guilt in this needling religious people but now I hold back). You obviously take on the notion that religion is an altogether stupid practice. And it is, when it tries to answer questions about PHYSICAL phenomena and say "God did it. the end."
I am saying science itself becomes a religion when people like you think it can solve all the questions we have. Which you did. You think, and this is using biological science as we know it, that an ape evolved for life on grassy plains scattered with trees, can solve all questions. I will admit we are rather special creatures in that we contemplate our own existence and have produced symbolic language that can be used to make analogies with our tiny part of the physical world. This is special. But we will know everything, with the questions we are able to ask...? no way. Thats a religion. The same type of religion you make fun of.
Im okay with Christians saying I dont know AND believing in the supernatural. Thats not my way.
Because religion and philosophy deal with moral and ethical questions for me (and even "what can we know" questions), which is a lot bigger deal for me when answering questions that deal with a wider range of questions. And I dont use religion to explain physical phenomena. Get it?
by saying you can understand everything using science, you stepped in it and went religious.
Backpedaling... Your toes are vertically beneath your butt old man.
"I dont know" is not in your language if you think we can know everything.
For me there will always be I dont knows in science as well, because science uses metaphors and analogies to try to explain phenomena like gravity that just dont work. "well, imagine a ball rolling down a hill" well you know what, things on the level of the very small are very large and far away cannot be explained by analogies used at our evolutionary level of understanding "size" and "time". ie its NOT at all "like a ball rolling down a hill", its like nothing like this at all, it can best be described by math. And then the math starts breaking down.
Newton and Leibniz invent calculus. Its a method that explains instantaneous speed and later direction. And it opens up a can of worms. One of these creators saw it and said we can never understand God's world, the other said its so beautiful, its God's way of showing us the perfection of "his" world. And now more people get a charge out of using science to rip up other "silly" people who use the Bible to make physical predictions. (I profess guilt in this needling religious people but now I hold back). You obviously take on the notion that religion is an altogether stupid practice. And it is, when it tries to answer questions about PHYSICAL phenomena and say "God did it. the end."
I am saying science itself becomes a religion when people like you think it can solve all the questions we have. Which you did. You think, and this is using biological science as we know it, that an ape evolved for life on grassy plains scattered with trees, can solve all questions. I will admit we are rather special creatures in that we contemplate our own existence and have produced symbolic language that can be used to make analogies with our tiny part of the physical world. This is special. But we will know everything, with the questions we are able to ask...? no way. Thats a religion. The same type of religion you make fun of.
:lol no. You wish. That's like calling atheism a religion and bald a hairstyle.
No idea about the rest of the shit you're mumbling about. :lol fucking internet experts, always trying to impress people with a sermon.
pgardn
02-28-2021, 11:24 PM
:lol no. You wish. That's like calling atheism a religion and bald a hairstyle.
No idea about the rest of the shit you're mumbling about. :lol fucking internet experts, always trying to impress people with a sermon.
No its not "like" that at all. An absolutely ridiculous simile.
A sermon smart asses "like" you who think you know it all like you beg for.
We can and will know it all... gtfoh... old fart
That is absolutely a religion. The religion of human hubris.
And you still cant understand religion serves questions of ethics and morals.
I guess that's why you consider yourself a badass. "anyone who is religious is a coward who wants a forever"
Sure thing old man begging for simplicity. Your religion condemns forever. Thanks. You have made a giant leap for man.
Winehole23
03-01-2021, 10:05 AM
can somebody net this out for me, two atheists are big-timing religion, is that right? :lol
pgardn
03-01-2021, 10:52 AM
can somebody net this out for me, two atheists are big-timing religion, is that right? :lol
I gotta be called agnostic I’m thinking.
Who thinks it’s very clear we can’t know everything.
It also should be noted that DMC thinks science overthetop powerful.
Without knowing the history of OUR struggles to explain the most fundamental things in the universe. When we step it up to chemistry and biology.... I guess we will live forever and or know the exact moment of our death? We will eventually get to that at this rate.
I also believe that religion and philosophy have been very important in creating moral and ethical standards that are important. “Don’t kill people, that’s not good”. Sounds reasonable. Please continue...
The basic human condition of envy love hate wanting to see other people suffer has not changed that much based on past writings. Many people are raised in some sort of religious environment. The part that seems to stick is ethical and moral. I think this is important. I also think it’s silly to call all people who believe in a god or gods cowards who are afraid to die.
IMO this all started because the questions that people ask cannot all be answered using science. There are answers that people don’t like so they consider the questions you ill-founded in the first place. So the questions that cannot be answered by the method science are worthless questions. I don’t believe this to be true.
pgardn
03-01-2021, 10:55 AM
Yeah the whole thing is kind of silly.
I just happen to think a whole lot about science and how it is misunderstood.
An atheist and an agnostic walk into a bar... The bar clears out.
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