Lonzo Ball vs. Dejounte Murray

[Mr. Body]

I remember his first year when Murray really struggled with Lonzo Ball while he was in LA. Ball was too strong and gummed him up on defense and while that Lakers team was trash, Ball was much better on offense.

Since then, Ball seems to have stagnated. The advanced metrics suggest he is no longer a plus defender, while Murray is, while Ball remains the better offensive threat. Meanwhile, it seems like Murray is making a leap and is heading upward and Ball's future with the NOP is in doubt.

Just an observation, watching NO play Boston right now. Hard work paying off for Murray, while Ball just seems like the same player he was.

[Dejounte]

Shit teams wasting their top 10 picks while the Spurs keep churning out quality players with so little. What else is new? People here give more respect to the former though, as if the results have been much better. They say, "well, Spurs don't deserve our trust." :lmao

[Dejounte]

You also wonder if it's because of the win mentality and being surrounded by vets (two things Spurstalk morons are highly against) attributed to the more positive development of DJ.

It's all because people can't see beyond a one year plan as opposed to a five year one.

[tbdog]

You also wonder if it's because of the win mentality and being surrounded by vets (two things Spurstalk morons are highly against) attributed to the more positive development of DJ.

I've always maintained that tanking develops losing culture. And it sticks. You should always strive to win. But you also need to control your contracts and not force it.

[Mr. Body]

I've always maintained that tanking develops losing culture. And it sticks. You should always strive to win. But you also need to control your contracts and not force it.

This is why the brigade for selling off all our vets are misguided.

[spurraider21]

lonzo always hits 3's like steph curry against us

[Dejounte]

I've always maintained that tanking develops losing culture. And it sticks. You should always strive to win. But you also need to control your contracts and not force it.

Yeah, welcome to the fun adventure of recycling coaches for decades if you introduce that to your culture.

[GreekSpursfan]

I've always maintained that tanking develops losing culture. And it sticks. You should always strive to win. But you also need to control your contracts and not force it.

But there is the risk if not the certainty that you might become a treadmill team for years hovering around the 7th-8th seed because you don't have the top tier talent to really compete and not fool yourself that you actually do.
We are in danger of becoming just that, the Hornets and the Magic of the West. Lets hope we don't.

[Dejounte]

But there is the risk if not the certainty that you might become a treadmill team for years hovering around the 7th-8th seed because you don't have the top tier talent to really compete and not fool yourself that you actually do.
We are in danger of becoming just that, the Hornets and the Magic of the West. Lets hope we don't.

Fake news. Look at the top 16 teams this season and you'll see none of them have been vaulted into consistent deep playoff runs by top tier top 10 drafted talent and they've been treadmill outside of a single season of a deep playoff run in the past decade. The most successful teams are ones who get there by shrewd moves or because theyre a big market and lame ass stars want to team up there.

A lot of people have been fooled by this illusion. Can't think past drooling over top 10 talent without the nuances behind it.

[Dejounte]

Sixers - two top 10 drafted players with barely any success behind it. Treadmill fool's gold team that always gets wiped out in the playoffs.
Brooklyn - didn't draft top 10 talent for the roster they have now.
Milwaukee - Giannis wasn't a top 10 pick.
Boston - they've made a couple deep runs but now look like shit
Toronto - They didn't draft top 10 talent to win their championship
Charlotte - they've had multiple top 10 picks and you don't think they're a treadmill team? :lmao
Knicks - again, multiple top 10 picks and you don't think they're a treadmill team?
Same for Chicago.
Same for Orlando.
Same for Cleveland.

I can go on and on for most of the teams.

Drafting in the top 10 PROMISES NOTHING.

Lmao at the notion that tanking means you're immune to being a treadmill team. :lmao :lmao so short-sighted.

[Mr. Body]

The coaching carousel certainly doesn't help, but Ball and Brandon Ingram both look like they've plateaued as players. Sure, Ingram gets tons of press, but he just doesn't move the needle for me. While Zion is impacting games, Ingram does exactly what Anthony Davis did for the Pelicans -- put up stats, lose games. You forget he's there for long stretches and only on occasion does he hit shots when they matter.

[Maddog]

I've always maintained that tanking develops losing culture. And it sticks. You should always strive to win. But you also need to control your contracts and not force it.


Yeah, welcome to the fun adventure of recycling coaches for decades if you introduce that to your culture.


But there is the risk if not the certainty that you might become a treadmill team for years hovering around the 7th-8th seed because you don't have the top tier talent to really compete and not fool yourself that you actually do.
We are in danger of becoming just that, the Hornets and the Magic of the West. Lets hope we don't.

There is always the concern that you end up on a treadmill.
So far, I think the Spurs may have played it right. Yes, they are no where near winning a title, but they've got good prospects (outside of the new Ball), probably better charlotte or Orlando despite consistently drafting lower.
I was for blowing up a few years ago, but think I may be wrong. Expectations due filter down. Winning, expecting hard work, but also investing, treating people right.
Too bad Nephew never saw that. The Spurs came very close to being a contender for over a quarter century without lottery picks or multiple superstar free agents. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt

[KobesAchilles]

I don’t really know anyone who thought Lonzo Ball would pan out. Also Magic was in charge and almost everybody on Spurstalk was shitting on the Lakers for that and rightfully so.

Also I remember a lot of articles praising us for picking DJ and saying he was a lottery level talent

[tbdog]

But there is the risk if not the certainty that you might become a treadmill team for years hovering around the 7th-8th seed because you don't have the top tier talent to really compete and not fool yourself that you actually do.
We are in danger of becoming just that, the Hornets and the Magic of the West. Lets hope we don't.

You become a treadmill team when you jump to soon. By signing a max contract while your own friendly contracts. Which could be the case with Collins of he doesn't turn out.

[Mr. Body]

I don’t really know anyone who thought Lonzo Ball would pan out. Also Magic was in charge and almost everybody on Spurstalk was shitting on the Lakers for that and rightfully so.

Also I remember a lot of articles praising us for picking DJ and saying he was a lottery level talent

Those comments about DJM weren't that common.

As for Ball, it's hard to determine beyond the immense hype. The LAL and fan base (and media) always exaggerate their players' abilities, but Lonzo isn't really a bad player. It's just that he's not improving and doesn't seem to make his team much better. But then the NOP have problems.

[KobesAchilles]

For me, it was a hard pass on Lonzo and I really wanted Lamelo. He was the one I was hoping the Spurs would draft (tho I like Wiseman too) if the rumors of LMA for the #2 pick were true. You can’t be passive in today’s NBA when all the rules are made for offense. Also Lonzo’s shot was beyond atrocious. It made Kevin Martin flinch

**edit** didn’t Lebron and Crawford both say we were getting a hell of a player in DJ? Or am I remembering wrong

[GreekSpursfan]

Sixers - two top 10 drafted players with barely any success behind it. Treadmill fool's gold team that always gets wiped out in the playoffs.
Brooklyn - didn't draft top 10 talent for the roster they have now.
Milwaukee - Giannis wasn't a top 10 pick.
Boston - they've made a couple deep runs but now look like shit
Toronto - They didn't draft top 10 talent to win their championship
Charlotte - they've had multiple top 10 picks and you don't think they're a treadmill team? :lmao
Knicks - again, multiple top 10 picks and you don't think they're a treadmill team?
Same for Chicago.
Same for Orlando.
Same for Cleveland.

I can go on and on for most of the teams.

Drafting in the top 10 PROMISES NOTHING.

Lmao at the notion that tanking means you're immune to being a treadmill team. :lmao :lmao so short-sighted.

Lets see one by one your examples. The Sixers were a fluky Nephew shot away from going to the finals imo. They would've beaten the Bucks(i don't trust the Bucks and Bud at all), They have a real shot this year imo.
Brooklyn is in a big market unlike us, can't use them as an example
Bucks were just lucky but they f.cked up by having a fed ex guy for a GM because their owners want to meddle
Boston is one legit big away of true contention but they have the talent in place to become true contenters in the not distant future, young players need time to evolve even if they are top talent and i'm pretty sure Tatum is gonna be pretty great and even Brown, i'm not sure i can say that about our guys.
Toronto has probably the best GM in the NBA and a top 3 coach imo and they lucked into taking nephew.
Charlotte have GM MJ, nothing else needs to be said.
Orlando is the 8th seed for a few years now, they dont draft high, they were the definition of treadmill team, maybe they can tank properly this season.
Cleveland used their tanking lottery picks and got Love and won the chip, you forgot about that.
A team with a competent GM can tank and go straight to contention. We're not talking about incompetent organizations(Knicks,Bulls)

[Sugus]

Lets see one by one your examples. The Sixers were a fluky Nephew shot away from going to the finals imo. They would've beaten the Bucks(i don't trust the Bucks and Bud at all), They have a real shot this year imo.
Brooklyn is in a big market unlike us, can't use them as an example
Bucks were just lucky but they f.cked up by having a fed ex guy for a GM because their owners want to meddle
Boston is one legit big away of true contention but they have the talent in place to become true contenters in the not distant future, young players need time to evolve even if they are top talent and i'm pretty sure Tatum is gonna be pretty great and even Brown, i'm not sure i can say that about our guys.
Toronto has probably the best GM in the NBA and a top 3 coach imo and they lucked into taking nephew.
Charlotte have GM MJ, nothing else needs to be said.
Orlando is the 8th seed for a few years now, they dont draft high, they were the definition of treadmill team, maybe they can tank properly this season.
Cleveland used their tanking lottery picks and got Love and won the chip, you forgot about that.
A team with a competent GM can tank and go straight to contention. We're not talking about incompetent organizations(Knicks,Bulls)

Watch out, delete this before TD sees this and starts calling you a vanilla fan :lol

[Mr. Body]

Lets see one by one your examples. The Sixers were a fluky Nephew shot away from going to the finals imo. They would've beaten the Bucks(i don't trust the Bucks and Bud at all), They have a real shot this year imo.
Brooklyn is in a big market unlike us, can't use them as an example
Bucks were just lucky but they f.cked up by having a fed ex guy for a GM because their owners want to meddle
Boston is one legit big away of true contention but they have the talent in place to become true contenters in the not distant future, young players need time to evolve even if they are top talent and i'm pretty sure Tatum is gonna be pretty great and even Brown, i'm not sure i can say that about our guys.
Toronto has probably the best GM in the NBA and a top 3 coach imo and they lucked into taking nephew.
Charlotte have GM MJ, nothing else needs to be said.
Orlando is the 8th seed for a few years now, they dont draft high, they were the definition of treadmill team, maybe they can tank properly this season.
Cleveland used their tanking lottery picks and got Love and won the chip, you forgot about that.
A team with a competent GM can tank and go straight to contention. We're not talking about incompetent organizations(Knicks,Bulls)

Philly is flatlining. They have chemistry issues.

Bucks, who cares? They're not contenders.

Boston is far more than big away from contention. Kemba is bad and they lost Hayward for nothing. Even before, they were paper tigers.

The rest of the conference is terrible. The Nets are the only contender.

[tbdog]

I'm going to say that of Sixers don't win with this core before they done, then the process was a complete failure. You don't become a joke of the league and the worst team in history, then not win.

[cjw]

Murray is one of the better defensive guards in the league, and is an excellent rebounder for the position (cannot overstate how important it is). His assists per 100 possessions are slightly higher than Ball’s, while his turnovers are lower. Higher usage as well. Gets to the line more, and converts more at the line though Lonzo has improved from Poeltl levels earlier in career.

Will be curious to see where Ball’s contract winds up. He’s totally decent as a player, and being picked at #2 probably hurts his reputation as people expected more but he’s fine.

[barakz21]

I think tanking if done correctly can be a good thing. Has to be balanced though, a team can’t just tank for the sake of getting a high draft pick. The goal for tanking teams has to be to get a high draft pick AND accelerate the development of its young players. I personally think we as Spurs fans shouldn’t worry too much if they tank, at least we know they’ll have the young guys try to play the right way and not just encourage them to suck, unlike the Trust the process Sixers of Hinkie.

[John B]

It’s the winning environment also. These high picks normally go to mediocre teams, with the exception of Dubs who were in the same Spurs situation 24 years ago. There’s a reason why they’re mediocre, bad management, bad development for their players. While Spurs had long history of contending that young draftees learn from, not to mention PATFO also doesn’t go with the hypes, which sometimes infuriates some fans who didn’t know any better.

I think if Lonzo were with the Spurs, he would already be a star. He has the size, the bball IQ and court awareness. DJ in Sacramento or Pelicans would have fizzled already. If Lonzo could get into a good team, I think he can do better.

[The Truth #6]

GS leaned into tanking last season. It was the right move. I think the Spurs should have tanked the end of that Kawhi season when we knew he wasn’t playing in the playoffs. To me, that was a lost golden opportunity to try and sneak into the lottery.

As for the Spurs situation now, I think some people are conflating tanking with something that feels like point shaving. Players play to get paid, especially young ones. They at least want to get stats. They will try. Honestly, playing Forbes and Marco for so long felt like tanking, but it was just Pop not trusting his young players yet and the Bubble helped correct the situation. Moving forward we play our best players and try to develop our players and see what happens.

[GreekSpursfan]

Philly is flatlining. They have chemistry issues.

Bucks, who cares? They're not contenders.

Boston is far more than big away from contention. Kemba is bad and they lost Hayward for nothing. Even before, they were paper tigers.

The rest of the conference is terrible. The Nets are the only contender.

I disagree about Boston, they have their two main guys in place, they are going to win int he next 5 years, i'm almost certain of that, it's Boston, of course they're gonna win, that's how it goes.
Nets are one KD injury away of becoming irrelevant again and unfortunately for KD that is a huge possibility with his recent history, i'm still not sure he's gonna make it until the end this season.
Finally, if i'm Philly i'm going for Lowry now because the East is open if KD goes down.

[Mr. Body]

I disagree about Boston, they have their two main guys in place, they are going to win int he next 5 years, i'm almost certain of that, it's Boston, of course they're gonna win, that's how it goes.
Nets are one KD injury away of becoming irrelevant again and unfortunately for KD that is a huge possibility with his recent history, i'm still not sure he's gonna make it until the end this season.
Finally, if i'm Philly i'm going for Lowry now because the East is open if KD goes down.

Wrong on the first two accounts. Boston is looking much closer to bad than to good. This isn't a contender and if they don't figure something out, they're a treadmill team. They don't scare anyone.

Nets are beating teams already without Durant, so I don't know what your point is. The Harden trade turns out to have been genius.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Fake news. Look at the top 16 teams this season and you'll see none of them have been vaulted into consistent deep playoff runs by top tier top 10 drafted talent and they've been treadmill outside of a single season of a deep playoff run in the past decade. The most successful teams are ones who get there by shrewd moves or because theyre a big market and lame ass stars want to team up there.

A lot of people have been fooled by this illusion. Can't think past drooling over top 10 talent without the nuances behind it.

I think this is very true. Being a small market team, the Spurs are taking a huge risk taking the "tank" approach to rebuilding. We're not going to attract top free agents most of the time and so we're going to have to build from within. Most small market teams, especially in today's NBA, don't hang onto their franchise players. Other than Milwaukee, I can't think of a small market team that's been able to hold onto their superstars. Get a star, don't win, lose him, start over, and suck for a long, long time. That's essentially what folks are pining for in here.

The Spurs were incredibly lucky to have Tim Duncan stay in San Antonio, and surround him with other stars in Parker and Ginobili who were also satisfied being here and taking less fame and fortune, to allow them to build a championship level team. Not sure we'll see that situation again, but I do like our young core. They have hints of that type of loyalty, and perhaps more untapped talent yet to show itself. I think Pop is doing it right, and the FO needs a little credit for how they've been able to keep the team competitive. 7-8 seeds may not be exciting, but what I am excited about is the strength of the young core and how you might be able to add one or two "stars" to this group, maybe not "superstars" and have a chance for a deep playoff run from what's being built...all without tanking. This is a small market team without deep pockets from ownership, had our home-groomed star bail on us, yet the Spurs are somehow always still competitive. And, this team is fun to watch. Not sure how folks can complain much...but of course they do.

[exstatic]

I disagree about Boston, they have their two main guys in place, they are going to win int he next 5 years, i'm almost certain of that, it's Boston, of course they're gonna win, that's how it goes.
Nets are one KD injury away of becoming irrelevant again and unfortunately for KD that is a huge possibility with his recent history, i'm still not sure he's gonna make it until the end this season.
Finally, if i'm Philly i'm going for Lowry now because the East is open if KD goes down.

This might be one of the worst takes of the month. Boston is shitting the bed, but with the SAME two key pieces, they’ll win within 5 years, when they’re both older, possibly past 30?

[GreekSpursfan]

This might be one of the worst takes of the month. Boston is shitting the bed, but with the SAME two key pieces, they’ll win within 5 years, when they’re both older, possibly past 30?

You seem to forget easily what Boston is all about. Never underestimate them. Boston always finds a way to win somehow, just watch, it will happen somehow, you know it will, history taught us that. They dont remain without a chip that long.

[GreekSpursfan]

Wrong on the first two accounts. Boston is looking much closer to bad than to good. This isn't a contender and if they don't figure something out, they're a treadmill team. They don't scare anyone.

Nets are beating teams already without Durant, so I don't know what your point is. The Harden trade turns out to have been genius.

They are not winning f.ck all without KD, never gonna happen, i'm more than 100% certain, don't be a prisoner of the moment, as for Boston, just watch, they will find a way, its Boston, they are one of the NBA favorite teams, they want them relevant, they are not Chicago.

[Dejounte]

You seem to forget easily what Spurs is all about. Never underestimate them. Spurs always finds a way to win somehow, just watch, it will happen somehow, you know it will, history taught us that. They dont remain without a chip that long.

Fixed it for you. Spurs have won more rings than Boston these past decades yet you're quicker to give Boston the benefit of the doubt before the Spurs. Your reasoning is flawed, admit it.

[exstatic]

You seem to forget easily what Boston is all about. Never underestimate them. Boston always finds a way to win somehow, just watch, it will happen somehow, you know it will, history taught us that. They dont remain without a chip that long.

They’ve been without one for five years longer than we have, and that included being spotted a handful of high picks.

[Mr. Body]

They are not winning f.ck all without KD, never gonna happen, i'm more than 100% certain, don't be a prisoner of the moment, as for Boston, just watch, they will find a way, its Boston, they are one of the NBA favorite teams, they want them relevant, they are not Chicago.

I have no doubt this Nets team could win without Durant. Hint: you might want to watch them, as I do every game.

Boston, lol. Whatevs, bro. They're pretty bad. Hint: actually, like watch the NBA.

[daslicer]

I have no doubt this Nets team could win without Durant. Hint: you might want to watch them, as I do every game.

Boston, lol. Whatevs, bro. They're pretty bad. Hint: actually, like watch the NBA.

I have picked the Nets to win it all but they can't win it all without KD. They can win regular season games without him but can't win the title without him.

[ducks]

I remember his first year when Murray really struggled with Lonzo Ball while he was in LA. Ball was too strong and gummed him up on defense and while that Lakers team was trash, Ball was much better on offense.

Since then, Ball seems to have stagnated. The advanced metrics suggest he is no longer a plus defender, while Murray is, while Ball remains the better offensive threat. Meanwhile, it seems like Murray is making a leap and is heading upward and Ball's future with the NOP is in doubt.

Just an observation, watching NO play Boston right now. Hard work paying off for Murray, while Ball just seems like the same player he was.
Ball refuses to work
Has a attitude like most kids his age
Does not have to earn anything
Wants everything for free
Lots of people here in spurs talk like that

[SAGirl]

Dejointe is much better and has a better work ethic. He’s improved a lot from the super raw quick long guard with bad dribble no shot and lacking PG skills through hard work. Londzo came in overhyped and seems to be the same bad shoote he’s been since he came in. He’s had an occasional hot streak but he’s been terrible every time I have watched him. Really glad about Dejounte’s development. He’s finally turning into the player I thought He could be in the best scenario for him. :cheer:cheerIt just took him 2 years longer bc of the injury and it cannot be overstated how doubtful that looked in the past. Many young players lose such key time in their development setting them back enough that they don’t realize their best perceived outcome. Great to see in DJ.

[Mr. Body]

I definitely feel like Murray has passed Lonzo at this point. Ball is good, but has long stretches where he doesn't impact the game (like Ingram), while Murray is impacting things continuously. Great to see.

[Spurssparty]

Lets see one by one your examples. The Sixers were a fluky Nephew shot away from going to the finals imo. They would've beaten the Bucks(i don't trust the Bucks and Bud at all), They have a real shot this year imo.
Brooklyn is in a big market unlike us, can't use them as an example
Bucks were just lucky but they f.cked up by having a fed ex guy for a GM because their owners want to meddle
Boston is one legit big away of true contention but they have the talent in place to become true contenters in the not distant future, young players need time to evolve even if they are top talent and i'm pretty sure Tatum is gonna be pretty great and even Brown, i'm not sure i can say that about our guys.
Toronto has probably the best GM in the NBA and a top 3 coach imo and they lucked into taking nephew.
Charlotte have GM MJ, nothing else needs to be said.
Orlando is the 8th seed for a few years now, they dont draft high, they were the definition of treadmill team, maybe they can tank properly this season.
Cleveland used their tanking lottery picks and got Love and won the chip, you forgot about that.
A team with a competent GM can tank and go straight to contention. We're not talking about incompetent organizations(Knicks,Bulls)

This is a terrible post on so many levels.

I love the Cleveland example, completely ignoring that what brought them the title.was resigning Lebron James, who happened to be from there.

[Biggems]

Aside from the for sure can't miss guy like DRob, Duncan, Shaq, KG, James, Dirk, etc. I have never truly cared about top 10 talent. It seems since LeBron, there really hasn't even been an elite #1. I personally like the talent we seem to find in the mid teens, late 20s, and late 2nd round. We don't always pick the youngest or most freakishly athletic. We do place a high value on character, humility, and BBIQ. We also go after guys who will be team first and not hero ballers. I think this is a huge reason for our continued success. Lord knows, it is very difficult to get top free agents to sign with us. We must maintain a frugal and fiscally responsible mindset, since we do not have the bottomless wallets of other franchises. So, it is absolutely vital and imperative that we draft well.

[exstatic]

I feel a little sorry for Lonzo. Dad, for one. Then, he’s the only one of the Laker high draft pick young talent diaspora to not get the AS nod. DLo, Ingram, and now Julius Randle all have been selected. Then, he gets passed up by the #29 pick in his draft.

[CGD]

I definitely feel like Murray has passed Lonzo at this point. Ball is good, but has long stretches where he doesn't impact the game (like Ingram), while Murray is impacting things continuously. Great to see.

It’s neat to think that if you redrafted the 2016 draft, Spurs arguably have two top 10 players on the squad from it.

(And if Spurs can get Collins this summer, you may be able to say the same for 2017!)

[exstatic]

It’s neat to think that if you redrafted the 2016 draft, Spurs arguably have two top 10 players on the squad from it.

(And if Spurs can get Collins this summer, you may be able to say the same for 2017!)

We only had one pick that year.

Edit: forgot about poodle.

[Trill Clinton]

I feel a little sorry for Lonzo. Dad, for one. Then, he’s the only one of the Laker high draft pick young talent diaspora to not get the AS nod. DLo, Ingram, and now Julius Randle all have been selected. Then, he gets passed up by the #29 pick in his draft.

His dad told the entire world his sons will be in the NBA and it happened. He obviously did something right.

[exstatic]

His dad told the entire world his sons will be in the NBA and it happened. He obviously did something right.

He also said all of them would be playing for the Lakers, and zero of them currently are. He also started a failed shoe clothing brand. He also said Lonzo would be the best PG in the NBA, and he’s currently struggling to separate from a guy picked 27 spots after him.

Sometimes it’s OK to just say nothing, but some people never learn that lesson.

[Trill Clinton]

He also said all of them would be playing for the Lakers, and zero of them currently are. He also started a failed shoe clothing brand. He also said Lonzo would be the best PG in the NBA, and he’s currently struggling to separate from a guy picked 27 spots after him.

Sometimes it’s OK to just say nothing, but some people never learn that lesson.

He got got his sons to the NBA. His sons love him and he's present. We need more dads like Mr. Ball.

[exstatic]

He got got his sons to the NBA. His sons love him and he's present. We need more dads like Mr. Ball.

Mr. Walker, Mr.. White and Mr. Vassell also got their sons to the NBA. Mr. Johnson also one in the NBA and one in the gleague. Braggadocio and hyperbole in the national press isn’t required.

[K...]

arguably daddy ball was part of the pre lebron Lakers turmoil but in actuality he was sidelined behind Kobe and ownership so his bufoonery didn't really cost them much and in retrospect Ball was less harmful than Uncle. Maybe Ball would be more harmful to a small market team? Without Ball, the nba position is that an all star level player can leave a small market team during their contract easily via sit outs or massive pressure to trade.

From the best outcome (lonzo is an borderline all star who gets in off hype) and the worse (busts out of the team and plays in China) we're in the middle. What is amazing about Daddy Ball is that he got more than one son into the lottery. Every nba player (except KAwhi) has a dad. Arguably Guys like Murray and keldon lost lifetime money by being late lottery while Lonzo gets overpaid. So as much as the style of the Balls is bufoonish they've done well.

[r0drig0lac]

the people here overestimate the importance of Lavar in the league and underestimate the fact that he put all his kids in the best basketball league in the world.

[Mr. Body]

It's amazing after all this time a bunch of yahoos are still all over Lavar Bell's jock. A bunch of gibbering buffoons. :lol

[MultiTroll]

His dad told the entire world his sons will be in the NBA and it happened. He obviously did something right.
Check out the Mom if you want to see where these guys got their hoop DNA.
She's a beast.

From the interviews I've seen the sons tolerate the Bio Father, don't love him.

[koriwhat]

He got got his sons to the NBA. His sons love him and he's present. We need more dads like Mr. Ball.

He's out there but most people can't muster the confidence their father has. I don't think it's a character flaw whatsoever and him being a father, who stuck around, is a plus too. :tu

[EricB]

I've always maintained that tanking develops losing culture. And it sticks. You should always strive to win. But you also need to control your contracts and not force it.


exactly. It’s why the Spurs didn’t blow everything up after the 2001 debacle, or the 2011.