View Full Version : Lakers: If the Lakers were patient
lebomb
02-22-2021, 07:24 AM
instead of having the Championship NOW!!! mentality, they would have been damn good with:
Lebron
Brandon Ingram
Julius Randle
Kuzma
DeAngelo
Ball
I could see that team competing for a championship at this point. The Lakers never wait on their draft pick to develop, that takes to long. They basically trade away and then BUY superstars to get their ships.
julius left, he wasn't traded
that team would be beyond atrocious defensively
LkrFan
02-23-2021, 08:48 AM
instead of having the Championship NOW!!! mentality, they would have been damn good with:
Lebron
Brandon Ingram
Julius Randle
Kuzma
DeAngelo
Ball
I could see that team competing for a championship at this point. The Lakers never wait on their draft pick to develop, that takes to long. They basically trade away and then BUY superstars to get their ships.
I'm one of the biggest Laker homers out there. I respectfully disagree (on a few players listed).
Julius requested that the Lakers let him become an UFA when Bron signed in 2018. Not sure why.
I would have been cool with keeping D'Lo, but Magic screwed the pooch by not drafting Tatum (noted childhood Laker fan) or even Fox. Instead he drafted Longo (SMH).
Actually, I forgot about Jordan Clarkson - who's balling for 25-6 Utah. I remember not even wanting D'Lo. But -25 points for me for wanting Big Ja instead :lol
"The one that got away" for me was Ingram. BI is the best player on the BRPelicans, but Zion gets all the hype. Love the AD trade because we got a chip out of it, but I think BI is 15lbs away from being at least a top 15 player. And he's like 23. :(
But yeah, the Lakers were never patient like the Spurts. They only develop hall of fame talent (Kobe). Everyone else is expendable in pursuit of #18 (for example they waived Quinn Cook last night; opened up a 2nd roster spot; good young, cheap player - expendable). Always been Dr. Buss mantra. Good to see Jeannie doing what it takes now that she 86'd her brother. So I'm good with going all in for Bron and trading all the young guns for AD. To me it was worth it (Mickey Mouse ring :lol).
JamStone
02-23-2021, 09:50 AM
Maybe some partial truths in the premise, in theory, though unprovable either way obviously. But things never really go exactly as planned when you use revisionist history. D-lo and Lonzo were never going to be paired together. Right now, maybe you could see them playing together in the same backcourt, but both were viewed as lead guards who would have the ball in their hands most of the time. There was no future where they believed they would keep both. And then once you start messing with who you keep, you likely change win-loss record, where just 1-2 more wins might possibly change your luck with the ping pong balls and some of the latter picks aren’t available to be drafted. Moreover, keep all those young kids, perhaps that changes the desperation of the Lakers and maybe even prevent them from courting LeBron. One small change, butterfly effect.
That’s the trouble with these should have, could have, would have scenarios.
ambchang
02-23-2021, 02:35 PM
I’d take half a season of Davis and a Mickey Mouse ring than those scrubs.
Thread
02-23-2021, 05:00 PM
If they were seriously patient they'd forbid Davis till next season.
Killakobe81
02-24-2021, 10:52 PM
If they were seriously patient they'd forbid Davis till next season.
Cully glad to see you back in a post Trump world.
Bynumite
02-24-2021, 11:20 PM
It's funny that Kuzma was the last man standing in purple and gold out of that group, when he's easily the worst player :lol
I only wish the Lakers had managed to keep BI. Not saying he's a centerpiece but he's so much better than Kuzma in every facet of the game.
Thread
02-24-2021, 11:55 PM
Cully glad to see you back in a post Trump world.
Hey, Killa, good to be back.
Pelicans78
02-25-2021, 01:30 AM
It's funny that Kuzma was the last man standing in purple and gold out of that group, when he's easily the worst player :lol
I only wish the Lakers had managed to keep BI. Not saying he's a centerpiece but he's so much better than Kuzma in every facet of the game.
Pelicans never had much of an interest Kuzma. David Griffin was high on BI before he took the Pels job. He only leveraged Kuzma for those extra draft picks.
Rummpd
02-25-2021, 04:10 AM
Bottom line current Fakers stink now without Davis as pseudo MVP and stat king James cannot lead them as they free fall.
baseline bum
02-25-2021, 07:53 AM
Who in the hell would take Ingram and Julian over Anthony Davis?
lebomb
02-25-2021, 12:00 PM
Who in the hell would take Ingram and Julian over Anthony Davis?
Im not saying anyone would, but with Ingram, Randle, and the rest of the draft picks I still believe the Lakers would have won a Chip with Lebron. JMHO
baseline bum
02-25-2021, 12:30 PM
Im not saying anyone would, but with Ingram, Randle, and the rest of the draft picks I still believe the Lakers would have won a Chip with Lebron. JMHO
I strongly doubt it. Davis is elite defensively and is a much better option than any of those guys when I need a basket in the fourth quarter. Only one ball to go around so you can't add Ingram's and Julian's stats. One dollar is always better than four quarters in the NBA.
Why does anyone give a fuck what the Lakers could have done? No one seems to give a shit what the Timberwolves could have done. It's not enough the entire league colludes to keep the Lakers in the show, now fans of other teams try to figure it out too.
lebomb
02-26-2021, 07:22 AM
Why does anyone give a fuck what the Lakers could have done? No one seems to give a shit what the Timberwolves could have done. It's not enough the entire league colludes to keep the Lakers in the show, now fans of other teams try to figure it out too.
This is a forum DMC, why does anyone do anything in here then?
The Lakers are just in the win now mode all the time. I just wonder why they never let their drafts play out and see if the team can win a championship that way. They steal all the superstars and build a win now team every championship. It seems to work. But, all teams are using this approach now.
This is a forum DMC, why does anyone do anything in here then?
The Lakers are just in the win now mode all the time. I just wonder why they never let their drafts play out and see if the team can win a championship that way. They steal all the superstars and build a win now team every championship. It seems to work. But, all teams are using this approach now.
They weren't in win now mode for the last 6 years of Kobe's tenure. People kept wanting them to be though.
ambchang
02-27-2021, 07:18 AM
This is a forum DMC, why does anyone do anything in here then?
The Lakers are just in the win now mode all the time. I just wonder why they never let their drafts play out and see if the team can win a championship that way. They steal all the superstars and build a win now team every championship. It seems to work. But, all teams are using this approach now.
I’d take a $3,000,000 a year job then phase out in two years than to get stuck in a $50,000 job hoping to one day to make $3mil a year.
illusioNtEk
03-05-2021, 08:51 PM
Kuzma still with the Lakers because the owner is riding him secretly.... What a milf...
daslicer
03-06-2021, 02:46 PM
I'm one of the biggest Laker homers out there. I respectfully disagree (on a few players listed).
Julius requested that the Lakers let him become an UFA when Bron signed in 2018. Not sure why.
I would have been cool with keeping D'Lo, but Magic screwed the pooch by not drafting Tatum (noted childhood Laker fan) or even Fox. Instead he drafted Longo (SMH).
Actually, I forgot about Jordan Clarkson - who's balling for 25-6 Utah. I remember not even wanting D'Lo. But -25 points for me for wanting Big Ja instead :lol
"The one that got away" for me was Ingram. BI is the best player on the BRPelicans, but Zion gets all the hype. Love the AD trade because we got a chip out of it, but I think BI is 15lbs away from being at least a top 15 player. And he's like 23. :(
But yeah, the Lakers were never patient like the Spurts. They only develop hall of fame talent (Kobe). Everyone else is expendable in pursuit of #18 (for example they waived Quinn Cook last night; opened up a 2nd roster spot; good young, cheap player - expendable). Always been Dr. Buss mantra. Good to see Jeannie doing what it takes now that she 86'd her brother. So I'm good with going all in for Bron and trading all the young guns for AD. To me it was worth it (Mickey Mouse ring :lol).
The Lakers didn't even develop Kobe. Kobe developed himself. Lakers are terrible in general when it comes to player development. Their strength is stealing players. They know that and stick to it.
Kuzma still with the Lakers because the owner is riding him secretly.... What a milf...
You know her vag is the size of a route 44 drink.
The won a ring why should they have waited?
gambit1990
03-08-2021, 01:23 AM
The won a ring why should they have waited?
exactly :lol
thread is invalid TBH. it's not like the lakers missed out on AD or anything :lol
lebomb
03-08-2021, 07:21 AM
Damn some of yall missed the point completely and thoroughly. I know they won the damn championship.......the EASY way of course. Why dont these MFs do it without stealing mega-stars from other teams to win a ship? Now they have the rest of the NBA doin this shit. The Lakers never get it done through their drafts. Why do the Lakers even draft players? They should just sit back, wait and decide on which mega stars they want to steal.
Oh wait......
LkrFan
03-08-2021, 02:27 PM
Damn some of yall missed the point completely and thoroughly. I know they won the damn championship.......the EASY way of course. Why dont these MFs do it without stealing mega-stars from other teams to win a ship? Now they have the rest of the NBA doin this shit. The Lakers never get it done through their drafts. Why do the Lakers even draft players? They should just sit back, wait and decide on which mega stars they want to steal.
Oh wait......
Who hurt you son? :cry
lebomb
03-08-2021, 03:01 PM
Who hurt you son? :cry
You LkrFans and the damn Lakers :depressed
Rummpd
03-08-2021, 03:23 PM
Who hurt you son? :cry
Lakers won a sham bubble championship when they fold this year without true MVP Davis being healthy-Mr. peripatetic and probable PED using James will proffer a BS excuse.
LkrFan
03-08-2021, 05:35 PM
Lakers won a sham bubble championship when they fold this year without true MVP Davis being healthy-Mr. peripatetic and probable PED using James will proffer a BS excuse.
Lakers absolutely need AD healthy to defend their title. You right bruh :lol
ambchang
03-08-2021, 09:35 PM
Lakers absolutely need AD healthy to defend their title. You right bruh :lol
Of course. Honestly I’m surprised how bad the lakers look without that backstabber though. I thought chairman Bron can lead them by himself to a more respectable record.
LkrFan
03-10-2021, 09:14 AM
Of course. Honestly I’m surprised how bad the lakers look without that backstabber though. I thought chairman Bron can lead them by himself to a more respectable record.
When a team trades a player under contract, it's all good. When a player under contract requests a trade, they're back stabbers. Sounds about white. :lol
Even though the team failed to surround him with competent talent in 7 years and used football trainers for their NBA team? :lol
ambchang
03-10-2021, 03:14 PM
When a team trades a player under contract, it's all good. When a player under contract requests a trade, they're back stabbers. Sounds about white. :lol
Even though the team failed to surround him with competent talent in 7 years and used football trainers for their NBA team? :lol
This is about the dumbest argument about player trades and one that is most used. Sports is built based on the implicit ability of a team to trade and waive players. The duties of which player goes to which team is the role of a Gm, not of a player. The misunderstanding of roles in how a trade in sports is astounding. While not the perfect analogy, a company can lay-off its employees with the right compensation as outlined by law based on organization direction, but an employee can’t just decide not to work for a company and force the compensation for the layoff.
Anthony Davis willingly signed an extension with with pelicans even when they failed to surround him with decent players. He just wanted to have his cake and eat it too.
This is about the dumbest argument about player trades and one that is most used. Sports is built based on the implicit ability of a team to trade and waive players. The duties of which player goes to which team is the role of a Gm, not of a player. The misunderstanding of roles in how a trade in sports is astounding. While not the perfect analogy, a company can lay-off its employees with the right compensation as outlined by law based on organization direction, but an employee can’t just decide not to work for a company and force the compensation for the layoff.
Anthony Davis willingly signed an extension with with pelicans even when they failed to surround him with decent players. He just wanted to have his cake and eat it too.im not a big fan of all the player “empowerment”, though it has merit, but in Davis’ case he signed that extension in 2015, he gave them plenty of time to get it together.
LkrFan
03-10-2021, 09:04 PM
im not a big fan of all the player “empowerment”, though it has merit, but in Davis’ case he signed that extension in 2015, he gave them plenty of time to get it together.
^ this. I didn't even read most of amb's drivel. AD gave them 7 years and they failed him...just like MVPau in Memphis :D
ambchang
03-10-2021, 10:07 PM
im not a big fan of all the player “empowerment”, though it has merit, but in Davis’ case he signed that extension in 2015, he gave them plenty of time to get it together.
Davis knee the pelicans wouldn’t attract any free agents and that his play will result in them having a high lottery pick. He can’t be that dumb to expect the pels put things together out of thin air.
My biggest issue with player empowerment is that the small market teams will have an even harder time putting a title winning team together than before. Teams can draft as well as they could but players can just quit on a team and force a trade after signing a $40m/yr extension to force a trade to sunny California or New York City.
ambchang
03-10-2021, 10:08 PM
^ this. I didn't even read most of amb's drivel. AD gave them 7 years and they failed him...just like MVPau in Memphis :D
You didn’t didn’t read it, you just can’t respond because it shattered your crap argument.
MVPau didn’t quit, he still gave it his all.
daslicer
03-11-2021, 12:36 AM
im not a big fan of all the player “empowerment”, though it has merit, but in Davis’ case he signed that extension in 2015, he gave them plenty of time to get it together.
He could have not signed it and just signed the 1 year qualifying offer and became a FA after his 5th year. I'm surprised more players don't do this if they truly don't like playing for the team they were drafted by. I know I would go this route and just save up all my money for the next 5 years in case of a career threatening injury.
Davis knee the pelicans wouldn’t attract any free agents and that his play will result in them having a high lottery pick. He can’t be that dumb to expect the pels put things together out of thin air.
My biggest issue with player empowerment is that the small market teams will have an even harder time putting a title winning team together than before. Teams can draft as well as they could but players can just quit on a team and force a trade after signing a $40m/yr extension to force a trade to sunny California or New York City.
I mean, I’m sure he wasn’t expecting for them to sign LeBron, but what was the best roster they gave him while he was there? If they could’ve given him a decent roster like Portland did for Dame, Milwaukee did for Giannis, and denver has for Jokic, maybe he would’ve stayed. Or maybe he wouldn’t have, but they didn’t do themselves any favors IMO.
like I said, some of this “player empowerment” movement is flawed like kawhi running to NY or Harden forcing his way to the Nets. He’s obviously taking the easy way out to a championship..but I feel like there’s definitely a balance to be found in between that and the Celtics and Pistons letting players play through injuries for ticket sales at the detriment of their long term careers or players like AD wasting away on team with an incompetent FO.
If a player isn’t performing they usually get traded or bought out. FO should have a longer leash than players, but they should still have a leash.
Imo let the best guys go wherever they want but make it two superstars max per team, that would be fun to watch. although idk how you enforce it and it would probably create too much parity, that’s my ideal scenario for the future of the nba. Before Harden forced his way to the Nets it seemed like we were on our way to a decent season.
daslicer
03-11-2021, 02:14 AM
Imo let the best guys go wherever they want but make it two superstars max per team, that would be fun to watch. although idk how you enforce it and it would probably create too much parity, that’s my ideal scenario for the future of the nba. Before Harden forced his way to the Nets it seemed like we were on our way to a decent season.
Wasn't upset about Harden going to the Nets. I have just accepted this is the super team era until the current generation of millennial superstars (Lebron,Kawhi,Harden,Durant,etc) are out of the league and i say this as an older millennial. Hopefully we'll see a reset in mentality with generation Z stars in the next several years or they could continue the trend but we'll see.
daslicer
03-11-2021, 02:17 AM
I mean, I’m sure he wasn’t expecting for them to sign LeBron, but what was the best roster they gave him while he was there? If they could’ve given him a decent roster like Portland did for Dame, Milwaukee did for Giannis, and denver has for Jokic, maybe he would’ve stayed. Or maybe he wouldn’t have, but they didn’t do themselves any favors IMO.
like I said, some of this “player empowerment” movement is flawed like kawhi running to NY or Harden forcing his way to the Nets. He’s obviously taking the easy way out to a championship..but I feel like there’s definitely a balance to be found in between that and the Celtics and Pistons letting players play through injuries for ticket sales at the detriment of their long term careers or players like AD wasting away on team with an incompetent FO.
If a player isn’t performing they usually get traded or bought out. FO should have a longer leash than players, but they should still have a leash.
A part of it is guys like Dame,Giannis,Jokic are just built in a different way mentally than Davis. Davis always struck me as a guy that was never going to win a title as the best player on his team and that he would have to play with even better player to win it all. Obviously that prophecy came true with him playing with Lebron. I think he even knows it in his mind and heart that he's a number 2 guy hence him not being upset about Lebron getting all the credit as the number 1 guy.
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