Let's Play A Game: Choose five, two, then three - Your 2021-2022 Spurs Rotation

[Dejounte]

I was thinking of a new approach to project rotations next year, and while doing that, I noticed a pattern across many teams with their regular line-ups.

Here's what I observed:

Teams generally have a 10-deep rotation.

They generally give high minutes to five players. Approx. greater than 29 minutes each.
They give medium minutes to two players. Approx. 24 - 26 minutes each.
They give low minutes to three players. Approx. less than 21 minutes each.

Currently, this is how it applies to the Spurs:

High (>29 mpg)
DeMar
Dejounte
Poeltl
Walker
Keldon

Medium (24-26 mpg)
White
Mills

Low (<21 mpg)
Vassell
Aldridge
Gay

So, using this approach and forgetting about positions, try to project next season's rotation by using the same criteria.

My 2021-2022 Five, Two, and Three:

High (>29 mpg)
Dejounte
Poeltl
White
Vassell
Keldon

Medium (24-26 mpg)
Lonnie
Luka

Low (<21 mpg)
KBD
Tre
Eubanks or back-up center

In my opinion,

-Vassell deserves a promotion next year and needs to be rewarded with more minutes.
-Lonnie gets demoted to medium in favor of White + Vassell.
-It seems to me the only way to give a promotion to high to Vassell would be to let DeMar go. Sure, he can move into the medium category next season, but I think he plays well enough to be top five in minutes.
-My preference is that Lonnie is traded for another rotational player who takes medium minutes, but it's unclear to me who that would be right now.

Performing this exercise kind of helps see how we have no room to keep the current vets for next year, especially guys like Rudy and Mills. Otherwise, if they are kept, where would you put them in your "Five, Two, and Three"?

For those who want to add a player from free agency or draft, please be realistic about it. For example, Collins being placed in your "Five, Two, and Three" should mean one or a couple current players are not with the team anymore. Atlanta's GM has explicitly said he would not let Collins go for nothing.

[KobesAchilles]

High:
DJ
Vassell
Keldon
Bogdon
Collins

Mid:
Poeltl
Lonnie

Low:
Patty
LMA
KBD
Gone are White and Luka

[PrimeMinister]

DJ/White/Keldon/Luka/Jakob starting line up and high minutes getters

Jones/Vassell/Walker as the first 3 off the bench. Good mix of shot creation and defense with Jones and Vassell- I expect Lonnie in a featured bench role, hiding him on the worst offensive wing or guard looks like the player we drafted him to be with another year of development as well.

Wagner/Lyles for the last 2 spots. Maybe Eubanks or a vet addition for backup center. Use the last rotation spot situationally. I like Lyles to come back and continue on the development of the player we’ve seen when he gets consistent burn. He and a player like Wagner both provide versatility and switchability, they’re crafty shot creators who will give end of bench players a lot of trouble. If not Wagner- insert whatever other mid first round pick you have your eye on.

White will be 27 next year and Dejounte has shown aside from some limited hiccups he is a capable leader on offense. It’s time to give them the reins. Luka has answered the biggest question about his development- defense, by exceeding all possible expectations. He’s bodied Julius Randle, kept up with guards, soared in for rebounds, and already shown massive improvement in his anticipation in help defense situations. The starting line up here is modern, switchable, rangey, athletic, long. The bench is capable. We might have some additions here and there I can’t account for but this outline should be their plan going forward. John Collins is a nice player but he’s a system player- don’t give him a max. Not even in the Kawhi “system player” way, but in the, “I can’t create my own shot and have to generate looks through off ball movement and lobs” way.

Stay the course of the youth movement next year. Vet additions are welcome, Patty on a cheap deal to be player coach and occasional sub like Matt Bonner is fine. Most importantly- keep flexibility for 2023 where we pursue Embiid or Jokic and create the next spurs dynasty.

[C-Dub]

DJM, White, DDR, KJ, Jakob

Patty, LW4, DV, Luka, Lyles

TJ, KBD, Eubanks, 1st Rd

Starters playing 29-34 MPG
Sixth man playing 25-29 MPG
7th & 8th man 18-22 MPG
9th man 15-20 MPG
10th man 8-15 MPG
11th-14th players at 0-8 MPG

LMA, Gay and QW are not on roster next season.

[Dejounte]

DJM, White, DDR, KJ, Jakob

Patty, LW4, DV, Luka, Lyles

TJ, KBD, Eubanks, 1st Rd

Starters playing 29-34 MPG
Sixth man playing 25-29 MPG
7th & 8th man 18-22 MPG
9th man 15-20 MPG
10th man 8-15 MPG
11th-14th players at 0-8 MPG

LMA, Gay and QW are not on roster next season.

This isn't how you play the game lmao

I had already let PrimeMinister slide with his five, three, two.

Thanks KobesAchilles for following directions.

[Uriel]

I was thinking of a new approach to project rotations next year, and while doing that, I noticed a pattern across many teams with their regular line-ups.

Here's what I observed:

Teams generally have a 10-deep rotation.

They generally give high minutes to five players. Approx. greater than 29 minutes each.
They give medium minutes to two players. Approx. 24 - 26 minutes each.
They give low minutes to three players. Approx. less than 21 minutes each.

Currently, this is how it applies to the Spurs:

High (>29 mpg)
DeMar
Dejounte
Poeltl
Walker
Keldon

Medium (24-26 mpg)
White
Mills

Low (<21 mpg)
Vassell
Aldridge
Gay

So, using this approach and forgetting about positions, try to project next season's rotation by using the same criteria.

My 2021-2022 Five, Two, and Three:

High (>29 mpg)
Dejounte
Poeltl
White
Vassell
Keldon

Medium (24-26 mpg)
Lonnie
Luka

Low (<21 mpg)
KBD
Tre
Eubanks or back-up center

In my opinion,

-Vassell deserves a promotion next year and needs to be rewarded with more minutes.
-Lonnie gets demoted to medium in favor of White + Vassell.
-It seems to me the only way to give a promotion to high to Vassell would be to let DeMar go. Sure, he can move into the medium category next season, but I think he plays well enough to be top five in minutes.
-My preference is that Lonnie is traded for another rotational player who takes medium minutes, but it's unclear to me who that would be right now.

Performing this exercise kind of helps see how we have no room to keep the current vets for next year, especially guys like Rudy and Mills. Otherwise, if they are kept, where would you put them in your "Five, Two, and Three"?

For those who want to add a player from free agency or draft, please be realistic about it. For example, Collins being placed in your "Five, Two, and Three" should mean one or a couple current players are not with the team anymore. Atlanta's GM has explicitly said he would not let Collins go for nothing.
I would just switch Walker and White, and maybe Gay and Mills. The rest looks good to me.

[stnick2261]

High:
Dejounte
White
Keldon
Luka
Poeltl

Medium:
Vassell (the most minutes allowed in the "medium" category)
DeMar (probably wishful thinking that he loves it here and is willing to play less minutes as a 2nd unit facilitator to extend his career)

Low:
Draft: Defensive and Mobile 4/5
Lonnie
Jones

[Dejounte]

High:
Dejounte
White
Keldon
Luka
Poeltl

Medium:
Vassell (the most minutes allowed in the "medium" category)
DeMar (probably wishful thinking that he loves it here and is willing to play less minutes as a 2nd unit facilitator to extend his career)

Low:
Draft: Defensive and Mobile 4/5
Lonnie
Jones

Major demotion for Lonnie, huh? Wonder how he would take that going into free agency...

[spurs1990]

If we're punting on DeRozan, I say focus on the in-house young guys and grab fillers in FA.

My starters at 30 min:
Murray
White
Johnson
Samanic (his 4-game track heavily factored)
Poetle

First two off bench:
Walker (designated scorer)
Vassell

Remaining mins
Mills (if Gregg is here, Mills is here)
Gay (2nd vet and market value would be reasonable)
Lyles

Others carrying over for development- Jones, Eubanks, plus 2021 1st rounder

2-way - KBD

Cheap (<$10m) Vets to chase in FA
Under age 30 - Cauley-Stein C, Biyombo C, Myers Leonard
Older vets - JJ Reddick G, Danny Green G, Batum F

The vet moves up into the 10 rotation- replacing a Gay or a Lyles (Mills at age 33 is playing).

Based primarily on chemistry and system, I'd still expect a play-in contention (7-10th seed) so no re-build imo.

[stnick2261]

Major demotion for Lonnie, huh? Wonder how he would take that going into free agency...

Well, he needs to get his shit together. I don't see him taking higher minutes than the other people listed (I'm assuming White comes back healthy). Losing DeMar would free up a ton of minutes, but I don't see Lonnie being as effective without a good facilitator feeding him. I think Luka playing well would push some 3s out from playing the 4 as much (which will limit minutes for them as well). White coming back and Vassell getting promoted leaves someone out and I think that would be Lonnie.

I would be willing to give Jones' minutes to Lonnie to bump him to "medium", but that would change your 5-2-3 to a 5-3-1 and that wasn't the game.

Edit: If I could give an even 30 minutes to my top 8 players, I would.

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Tight playoff game on the road in the fourth quarter;

DeRozan
White
Murray
Johnson
Mills/Poetl depending on opponent’s FC size

[Dejounte]

Well, he needs to get his shit together. I don't see him taking higher minutes than the other people listed (I'm assuming White comes back healthy). Losing DeMar would free up a ton of minutes, but I don't see Lonnie being as effective without a good facilitator feeding him. I think Luka playing well would push some 3s out from playing the 4 as much (which will limit minutes for them as well). White coming back and Vassell getting promoted leaves someone out and I think that would be Lonnie.

I would be willing to give Jones' minutes to Lonnie to bump him to "medium", but that would change your 5-2-3 to a 5-3-1 and that wasn't the game.

Edit: If I could give an even 30 minutes to my top 8 players, I would.

Oh, trust me. Not opposed to it. Just wanted to hear your thoughts and to open discussion about Lonnie's future.


Also, seems people are predicting Luka to make the leap over Vassell in minutes. Seems fair, I think we need two bigs to log heavy minutes. Vassell can come in as a utility guy. I had the same idea the following year after next, I don't know if Pop will plug Luka quickly like that. Well, he did it this season for Keldon... So we'll see.

[duncan2150]

High (>29 mpg)
Dejounte
Poeltl or a new big
White
Derozan
Keldon

Medium (24-26 mpg)
Lonnie
Poetl or a new big
Vassell

Low (<21 mpg)
Luka
KBD
Tre
rookie

Not easy to do because we don't know what spurs will do in the free agency, maybe they will not sign someone but they could be involving in a trade with all their cap space.

[Em-City]

I reckon demar stays on a 2 year deal, 2nd yrar being a player option.
If we sign Collins, poeltl will drop to mid level.

High: Murray, white, demar, Keldon, poeltl
mid: vassell+ new big
Low: mills, LonniE luka

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Murray/DDR/Keldon/Luka/Poeltl

White/Mills

Vassel/Lyles/IV

I see White ending up in the Manu role. White so far hasn’t shown the ability to stay healthy playing “starters” minutes. Unless Lonnie steps it up I would likely sub Eubanks or whomever is the backup 5 taking that spot.

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