Demar DeRozan was robbed

[KobesAchilles]

All the shit he gets on here from everyone but the dude deserved the all star nod this year. SOMEONE from our team should be on it. And the fact that they picked Mike Conley over him is ridiculous. Ridiculous how little we support our team as fans when it comes to this.

[Dejounte]

All the shit he gets on here from everyone but the dude deserved the all star nod this year. SOMEONE from our team should be on it. And the fact that they picked Mike Conley over him is ridiculous. Ridiculous how little we support our team as fans when it comes to this.

It's only Spurstalk that has no respect for DeMar. They go hardcore crazy for DeMar on Twitter.

[GAustex]

Don’t go away mad DeMar
Just go away

[widowmaker]

We never played with the Spurs in a video game. Never!

[daslicer]

I agree he got robbed. Silver that POS with the replacement picks disrespected him along with the coaches that made the original reserve picks.

[spurs1990]

DeRozan has the fiercest loyal fans of any Spurs player I've seen in 20 years Online. They are relentless.
A toast to them.

Now what about the timing to protest after that thunder loss. Alexander looked like the better player. He should have gotten in over Conley.

[RC_Drunkford]

picking Conley over him for the All-Star game is a joke. 16 PPG 3.5 RB 5.7 AST to 20 PPG 4.9 RB 7.2 AST. How can anybody justify that?

[daslicer]

picking Conley over him for the All-Star game is a joke. 16 PPG 3.5 RB 5.7 AST to 20 PPG 4.9 RB 7.2 AST. How can anybody justify that?

Granted i don't agree with it but the justification I have heard is that Conley never got to go an all-star game and that he deserves it as a lifetime achievement award.

[superbigtime]

BS.

Demar deserves to be in the ASG it is obvious.

[Blackhaus]

Achievement award?? Shows how much a joke the all star game is. He’ll, Clarkson from the Jazz should of mad3 it before Conley

[FkLA]

There was never a year when the Big 3 all made the all-star game together. The Jazz look good for half a season and get 3 representatives. :rolleyes

[KobesAchilles]

DeRozan has the fiercest loyal fans of any Spurs player I've seen in 20 years Online. They are relentless.
A toast to them.

Now what about the timing to protest after that thunder loss. Alexander looked like the better player. He should have gotten in over Conley.
Literally every playoff team except for us has a representative in the All Star game. All 7 other teams. And we can’t get one? That’s bad business going forward. It’s disrespectful too.

Gtfoh with that Shai shit. I agree it was a bad loss but the tanking Thunder belong nowhere near the game.

[timtonymanu]

Anyone expect anything different from that fairy Silver tbh :lol

[horseshue]

This is a fucking disgrace. :bang

[TD 21]

There was never a year when the Big 3 all made the all-star game together. The Jazz look good for half a season and get 3 representatives. :rolleyes

That's this league now. It's all about playing the game within' the game with the media and self promotion (not that the Jazz are a glamour market/team by any means).

It was the East and Korver was an injury replacement, but the Hawks received 4 in '15, while the Warriors have had 3-4 a bunch of times.

Ginobili, more than any other player, had his accolades impacted by the era because his prime failed to coincide with advanced metrics becoming mainstream.

Still, at some point this organization is going to have to modernize and start self promoting. These things matter to most American Millennials and it's a somewhat controllable strike against them as far as appealing to them. It won't happen, but it should start with Pop ranting about the disrespect over the years.

[R. DeMurre]

Ginobili, more than any other player, had his accolades impacted by the era because his prime failed to coincide with advanced metrics becoming mainstream.

Still, at some point this organization is going to have to modernize and start self promoting. These things matter to most American Millennials and it's a somewhat controllable strike against them as far as appealing to them. It won't happen, but it should start with Pop ranting about the disrespect over the years.

It' kind of hard to lament both Ginobili's and DeRozan's exclusions due to advanced metrics: that's exactly the reason DeRozan isn't in, because most objective observers see that he doesn't impact winning, like a Ginobili, or in this case, a Mike Conley. Ginobili would make the All Star game most years now, because his advanced metrics were so good.

[TD 21]

It' kind of hard to lament both Ginobili's and DeRozan's exclusions due to advanced metrics: that's exactly the reason DeRozan isn't in, because most objective observers see that he doesn't impact winning, like a Ginobili, or in this case, a Mike Conley. Ginobili would make the All Star game most years now, because his advanced metrics were so good.

I'm not lamenting DeRozan's not making it, I'm saying given the same circumstances in a glamour market (Celtics, Nets, Bulls, Mavericks, Warriors, Rockets, Clippers, Lakers, Heat, Knicks, 76ers, Raptors), he more than likely makes it, at least as one of the first two injury replacements.

By the way, coaches have many times picked counting stats guy over advanced stats guy.

[R. DeMurre]

I'm not lamenting DeRozan's not making it, I'm saying given the same circumstances in a glamour market (Celtics, Nets, Bulls, Mavericks, Warriors, Rockets, Clippers, Lakers, Heat, Knicks, 76ers, Raptors), he more than likely makes it, at least as one of the first two injury replacements.

By the way, coaches have many times picked counting stats guy over advanced stats guy.

I just think this is an objective case of them getting it right this time. Conley has the best advanced stats on the team with the best record in the league. DeRozan isn't even top 6 on his own (less successful) team.

[KobesAchilles]

I just think this is an objective case of them getting it right this time. Conley has the best advanced stats on the team with the best record in the league. DeRozan isn't even top 6 on his own (less successful) team.
So every other playoff team in the west deserves an all star except us? Makes zero sense. This is the type of stuff that Pop has to bring up and fight for his guys. RC too. It sounds dumb but it’s important in the long run

[Truth4sale$]

Demar deserved to be an all-star, most people know it. Personally, there is no way Paul George is better than DeRozan....but the excuse is it's a fans choice.
A guard playing out of position, averaging 20 pts and 7 assist and 5 rebounds isnt worthy? Than neither is the "allstar game". Boycott the allstar game festivities Spurs fans!!

[timtonymanu]

There shouldn’t even be an all star game this year anyway. Dumb ass silver and the nba :lol

[BackHome]

Yeah I honestly could care less about the All Star crap with everything going on I see no reason for them to have it

[Ice009]

Some of these makeup games should have been during this period instead of having an all-star game.

However, I do agree with the people saying DeRozan should have gotten in. This only hurts the Spurs in the long run. What free agent all-star level type of player would want to come here if there is a lesser chance of him making the all-star game simply due to having 'Spurs' written on his jersey. Pop and the higher ups in Spurs organization really should be going off about this and kicking up a fuss about it defending their player getting ripped off.

[Dverde]

Sad thing is Demar is an all star the last three years if he was in the East. What is the point of the conference split when the top players pick the teams?

[heyheymymy]

I thought this thread was about that home break in Demar had a while back and I was like damn the thief came back again to finish the job?!

[LurkingSpursFan]

I thought Demar was robbed of money or jewellery...:lol

[daslicer]

Some of these makeup games should have been during this period instead of having an all-star game.

However, I do agree with the people saying DeRozan should have gotten in. This only hurts the Spurs in the long run. What free agent all-star level type of player would want to come here if there is a lesser chance of him making the all-star game simply due to having 'Spurs' written on his jersey. Pop and the higher ups in Spurs organization really should be going off about this and kicking up a fuss about it defending their player getting ripped off.

Agreed. Obviously I didn't agree with Kawhi forcing his way out of SA but part of the reason why he wanted out was he was tired of being Pop's shadows and being disrespected. For example a lot of dumbasses in the media believed when he was playing for the Spurs that he was only great because of Pop's system and not because of his individual talent. He should easily been in the running for the MVP in '17 but was discounted because in the media's eyes he was a system player.

Lamracus also ended up getting dicked over being a Spur. Lamarcus sacrificed his numbers to help the Spurs get a winning record in '17 but got snubbed for the AS game with Draymond and Deandre Jordan getting picked over him. This caused Lamarcus to pout and want to get traded.

What a lot of spur fans don't understand in the long run guys are going to get fed up with sacrificing their numbers for winning if they are not going to get rewarded for it which means going to the all-star game, getting all-nba selections and awards. Spurs and Pop have to push harder for their players to get recognition. Part of me believes Pop enjoys getting all the credit hence why he's not willing to fight for his players to get respect. There are a lot of dumbass casual fans on other message boards believe Pop is the reason for the Spurs winning this year and not the players. This perception really hurts the players on the Spurs.

[daslicer]

So every other playoff team in the west deserves an all star except us? Makes zero sense. This is the type of stuff that Pop has to bring up and fight for his guys. RC too. It sounds dumb but it’s important in the long run

Agreed but Pop is in it for his own glory. He enjoys getting all of the credit so Demar getting snubbed isn't going to bother him. The problem like you said in the long run it's going to irk guys who play here when they are asked to sacrifice their numbers to win but not get rewarded for it which is getting selected for the all-star game,all-nba teams, and being in the running for NBA awards such as MVP, etc.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Yep. Pop is the only one not required to get over himself.

[daslicer]

Yep. Pop is the only one not required to get over himself.

Agreed. He loves being the star. Can't allow anybody to steal his spotlight.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

any popsuckera gonna do some damage control??

[widowmaker]

That's this league now. It's all about playing the game within' the game with the media and self promotion (not that the Jazz are a glamour market/team by any means).

It was the East and Korver was an injury replacement, but the Hawks received 4 in '15, while the Warriors have had 3-4 a bunch of times.

Ginobili, more than any other player, had his accolades impacted by the era because his prime failed to coincide with advanced metrics becoming mainstream.

Still, at some point this organization is going to have to modernize and start self promoting. These things matter to most American Millennials and it's a somewhat controllable strike against them as far as appealing to them. It won't happen, but it should start with Pop ranting about the disrespect over the years.


Bottom line San Antonio isn’t white enough for America and isnt black enough for the NBA.

[widowmaker]

Agreed. Obviously I didn't agree with Kawhi forcing his way out of SA but part of the reason why he wanted out was he was tired of being Pop's shadows and being disrespected. For example a lot of dumbasses in the media believed when he was playing for the Spurs that he was only great because of Pop's system and not because of his individual talent. He should easily been in the running for the MVP in '17 but was discounted because in the media's eyes he was a system player.

Lamracus also ended up getting dicked over being a Spur. Lamarcus sacrificed his numbers to help the Spurs get a winning record in '17 but got snubbed for the AS game with Draymond and Deandre Jordan getting picked over him. This caused Lamarcus to pout and want to get traded.

What a lot of spur fans don't understand in the long run guys are going to get fed up with sacrificing their numbers for winning if they are not going to get rewarded for it which means going to the all-star game, getting all-nba selections and awards. Spurs and Pop have to push harder for their players to get recognition. Part of me believes Pop enjoys getting all the credit hence why he's not willing to fight for his players to get respect. There are a lot of dumbass casual fans on other message boards believe Pop is the reason for the Spurs winning this year and not the players. This perception really hurts the players on the Spurs.


Bottom line San Antonio isn’t white enough for America and isnt black enough for the NBA. Nephew wouldn’t be the nephew we know now if he didn’t start off as a spur. Look pop can jump up and down and complain about his players not getting recognized by the league, we as fans can do the same and it will a fall on deaf ears. This is a NBA issue the NBA doesn’t market teams equally.

[TD 21]

I just think this is an objective case of them getting it right this time. Conley has the best advanced stats on the team with the best record in the league. DeRozan isn't even top 6 on his own (less successful) team.

I don't have an issue with it in a vacuum, the problem is the goal posts once again being moved and whatever criteria that generally applies going out the window when it comes to the Spurs.

They've already got a giant strike against them being in a non glamour market, they can't continue to have a second one or Scumbag's wanting out and Aldridge's initial unhappiness will be just the tip of the iceberg.



Bottom line San Antonio isn’t white enough for America and isnt black enough for the NBA.

Basically. James' comment about as great as Malone and Stockton were, not even playing video games with the Jazz when "we" (inner city black Americans) were growing up, when asked why Gobert and Mitchell were the final two picks, could have easily been applied to the Spurs.

That was code for them not being stereotypically black enough. More than two decades after their heyday, the stigma persists.

[widowmaker]

I don't have an issue with it in a vacuum, the problem is the goal posts once again being moved and whatever criteria that generally applies going out the window when it comes to the Spurs.

They've already got a giant strike against them being in a non glamour market, they can't continue to have a second one or Scumbag's wanting out and Aldridge's initial unhappiness will be just the tip of the iceberg.




Basically. James' comment about as great as Malone and Stockton were, not even playing video games with the Jazz when "we" (inner city black Americans) were growing up, when asked why Gobert and Mitchell were the final two picks, could have easily been applied to the Spurs.

That was code for them not being stereotypically black enough. More than two decades after their heyday, the stigma persists.


Yes that is why they never picked the jazz because they were also not black enough.

[duncan2k5]

Demar deserved to be an all-star, most people know it. Personally, there is no way Paul George is better than DeRozan....but the excuse is it's a fans choice.
A guard playing out of position, averaging 20 pts and 7 assist and 5 rebounds isnt worthy? Than neither is the "allstar game". Boycott the allstar game festivities Spurs fans!!

Paul George isn't better than Derozan?? Lmfao...I swear y'all only watch spur games...

[R. DeMurre]

Yes that is why they never picked the jazz because they were also not black enough.

So now in this thread, we've got people saying the Jazz don't deserve to have three all-stars (and that's a sign of bias), and also that Jazz players generally don't get picked for All Stars games because they're not "black enough" (also a sign of bias). It can't be both. Sorry, but I think this is a simple case of sour grapes. People are upset that their favorite team didn't get an All Star, and now Lebron is a Racist & the entire world is Unfair! Gobert has had a better season than Poeltl (who also doesn't get enough minutes), Mitchell has had a better start than Dejounte, and Conley is more effective on the floor than DeRozan. There's no great crime here. The Spurs have managed to squeak out a bunch of wins with all around team effort, and that's to be applauded, but honestly no one player has stood out enough to warrant an All Star spot.

[GAustex]

Certainly not DeRozen

[gambit1990]

demar isn’t that good and neither are the spurs.

team with the best record getting three all stars isn’t uncommon.

[widowmaker]

So now in this thread, we've got people saying the Jazz don't deserve to have three all-stars (and that's a sign of bias), and also that Jazz players generally don't get picked for All Stars games because they're not "black enough" (also a sign of bias). It can't be both. Sorry, but I think this is a simple case of sour grapes. People are upset that their favorite team didn't get an All Star, and now Lebron is a Racist & the entire world is Unfair! Gobert has had a better season than Poeltl (who also doesn't get enough minutes), Mitchell has had a better start than Dejounte, and Conley is more effective on the floor than DeRozan. There's no great crime here. The Spurs have managed to squeak out a bunch of wins with all around team effort, and that's to be applauded, but honestly no one player has stood out enough to warrant an All Star spot.

I can careless about the all star game i will not be watching it by the way.
Im calling lebrons double standard spurs and jazz are similar in was that the players get disrespected by the league in certain ways. Jazz got lucky this year because they are sitting on top of the west but still managed to get picked last. And the answer to why they got picked last according to lebron is “because nobody picked to play in a video game never”.

[gambit1990]

So now in this thread, we've got people saying the Jazz don't deserve to have three all-stars (and that's a sign of bias), and also that Jazz players generally don't get picked for All Stars games because they're not "black enough" (also a sign of bias). It can't be both. Sorry, but I think this is a simple case of sour grapes. People are upset that their favorite team didn't get an All Star, and now Lebron is a Racist & the entire world is Unfair! Gobert has had a better season than Poeltl (who also doesn't get enough minutes), Mitchell has had a better start than Dejounte, and Conley is more effective on the floor than DeRozan. There's no great crime here. The Spurs have managed to squeak out a bunch of wins with all around team effort, and that's to be applauded, but honestly no one player has stood out enough to warrant an All Star spot.

[J_Paco]

I just think this is an objective case of them getting it right this time. Conley has the best advanced stats on the team with the best record in the league. DeRozan isn't even top 6 on his own (less successful) team.

What advanced metrics are you looking at or speaking of? DeMar leads the team in win shares (4.0), PER (21.6), BPM (3.6), ORTG (125), VORP and other advanced metrics.
The advanced metrics may say otherwise but Conley is definitely not the best player on Utah and was less deserving of the all - star nod over DeMar.

[TD 21]

So now in this thread, we've got people saying the Jazz don't deserve to have three all-stars (and that's a sign of bias), and also that Jazz players generally don't get picked for All Stars games because they're not "black enough" (also a sign of bias). It can't be both. Sorry, but I think this is a simple case of sour grapes. People are upset that their favorite team didn't get an All Star, and now Lebron is a Racist & the entire world is Unfair! Gobert has had a better season than Poeltl (who also doesn't get enough minutes), Mitchell has had a better start than Dejounte, and Conley is more effective on the floor than DeRozan. There's no great crime here. The Spurs have managed to squeak out a bunch of wins with all around team effort, and that's to be applauded, but honestly no one player has stood out enough to warrant an All Star spot.

Two completely different things. I'm fine with the Jazz getting three, but it'll forever be absurd that the Spurs somehow never did and as far as Gobert/Mitchell not getting picked until last, that was in reference to James/Durant.

I'm not upset, I'm annoyed that the best players in this organization continue to get disrespected and the organization never stands up for them. I've long been convinced this plays a significant role in most prominent players not wanting to play here.

James isn't racist, he just does what many inner city black Americans (foolishly) do and differentiates within' his own kind.

[J_Paco]

Two completely different things. I'm fine with the Jazz getting three, but it'll forever be absurd that the Spurs somehow never did and as far as Gobert/Mitchell not getting picked until last, that was in reference to James/Durant.

I'm not upset, I'm annoyed that the best players in this organization continue to get disrespected and the organization never stands up for them. I've long been convinced this plays a significant role in most prominent players not wanting to play here.

James isn't racist, he just does what many inner city black Americans (foolishly) do and differentiates within' his own kind.

I think the small market size and lack of mainstream media attention has more to do with stars refusing to come to San Antonio.

Pop advocating for his guys or 'standing up for them' isn't going to make San Antonio a bigger market, get them a ton of mainstream media attention or make them a bigger deal in the NBA hierarchy.

[TD 21]

I think the small market size and lack of mainstream media attention has more to do with stars refusing to come to San Antonio.

Pop advocating for his guys or 'standing up for them' isn't going to make San Antonio a bigger market, get them a ton of mainstream media attention or make them a bigger deal in the NBA hierarchy.

Right and the second part the Spurs play a part in. This militant, shun the spotlight style flew when it suited their superstars/stars, who were aberrations. Now, it comes off as a combination of out of touch and self serving.

I disagree. Someone of his stature essentially saying we're sick of this "culture"/"system" crap and that the players most responsible for their success deserve far more of the credit/spotlight, wouldn't hurt.

By them doing their part to promote and campaign for their players, it's not going to help attract the next Doncic or Williamson, but it might help keep Murray, Johnson, or whoever their next star or most prominent player ends up being, put.

[daslicer]

Right and the second part the Spurs play a part in. This militant, shun the spotlight style flew when it suited their superstars/stars, who were aberrations. Now, it comes off as a combination of out of touch and self serving.

I disagree. Someone of his stature essentially saying we're sick of this "culture"/"system" crap and that the players most responsible for their success deserve far more of the credit/spotlight, wouldn't hurt.

By them doing their part to promote and campaign for their players, it's not going to help attract the next Doncic or Williamson, but it might help keep Murray, Johnson, or whoever their next star or most prominent player ends up being, put.

Agreed that's how I feel about it. If the Spurs get their players recognition then there is a higher chance of keeping them.

[R. DeMurre]

What advanced metrics are you looking at or speaking of? DeMar leads the team in win shares (4.0), PER (21.6), BPM (3.6), ORTG (125), VORP and other advanced metrics.
The advanced metrics may say otherwise but Conley is definitely not the best player on Utah and was less deserving of the all - star nod over DeMar.

The advanced stats I was looking at were FiveThirtyEights's RAPTOR, ESPN's RPM, and Basketball Reference's on court & on/off +/- per 100 possessions, which I think are more accurate with regard to the effectiveness of a player while on the court. I rarely look at PER because I think it favors high usage rate players and certain stats. The Basketball Reference stats seem especially relevant to me, and show that the Spurs generally play better when DeRozan is off the court as compared to on the court. No other major star-- Lebron, Jokic, Embiid, Kawhi, Doncic, etc. share this characteristic. I understand the opinion of DeRozan over Conley, but I just don't agree with it. Conley plays very good D and is shooting over 42% from three in the 3&D era. DeRozan is a No 3/No D guy. I think the proof will come as the trade deadline approaches and no playoff team is willing to give up even a single protected 1st round pick for DeRozan... I don't think any other all star would be that difficult to sell as a third or fourth best player who could help a good team get better. If DeRozan was as good as people on Spurstalk want him to be, it'd be a no brainer for teams to take on a major talent with no salary obligations past this season, but I seriously doubt any team will.

[playblair]

its the price you play when you play in san antonio over austin

[DJR210]

I'm over here thinking they got him for his jewelry here in SA or some shit :lol

[K...]

its the price you play when you play in san antonio over austin

you know i would say it never would happen, but if elon musk wanted to buy the spurs he definitely could.

[playblair]

I'm over here thinking they got him for his jewelry here in SA or some shit :lol
hes a poccet compton crip the only crips in texas are hoover crips which are allies not rivals with poccet so he is untouchable in san antonio since the blood numbers are low......latino gangs make up the majority & they dont beef with crips/bloods

[DJR210]

hes a poccet compton crip the only crips in texas are hoover crips which are allies not rivals with poccet so he is untouchable in san antonio since the blood numbers are low......latino gangs make up the majority & they dont beef with crips/bloods

:lol @ untouchable.. you really think jackers are gonna give a fuck about some LA street shit here if they wanted to rob him?

[tbdog]

Luckily Conley had a great allstar debut. /s

[Ice009]

Luckily Conley had a great allstar debut. /s

Did he? I never watched the game. How was it? Was it worse than usual? Did they even have a three point shootout or any of that?

[KobesAchilles]

Did he? I never watched the game. How was it? Was it worse than usual? Did they even have a three point shootout or any of that?
Played the fewest minutes on his team and scored 3 points. But his advanced stats were amazing :worthy:

[duncan2k5]

So now in this thread, we've got people saying the Jazz don't deserve to have three all-stars (and that's a sign of bias), and also that Jazz players generally don't get picked for All Stars games because they're not "black enough" (also a sign of bias). It can't be both. Sorry, but I think this is a simple case of sour grapes. People are upset that their favorite team didn't get an All Star, and now Lebron is a Racist & the entire world is Unfair! Gobert has had a better season than Poeltl (who also doesn't get enough minutes), Mitchell has had a better start than Dejounte, and Conley is more effective on the floor than DeRozan. There's no great crime here. The Spurs have managed to squeak out a bunch of wins with all around team effort, and that's to be applauded, but honestly no one player has stood out enough to warrant an All Star spot.

The voice of reason

[duncan2k5]

Two completely different things. I'm fine with the Jazz getting three, but it'll forever be absurd that the Spurs somehow never did and as far as Gobert/Mitchell not getting picked until last, that was in reference to James/Durant.

I'm not upset, I'm annoyed that the best players in this organization continue to get disrespected and the organization never stands up for them. I've long been convinced this plays a significant role in most prominent players not wanting to play here.

James isn't racist, he just does what many inner city black Americans (foolishly) do and differentiates within' his own kind.

With his own kind? All Jazz all stars are black...what are u talking about?

[daslicer]

Played the fewest minutes on his team and scored 3 points. But his advanced stats were amazing :worthy:

:lol his +/- was off the charts.

[duncan2k5]

Played the fewest minutes on his team and scored 3 points. But his advanced stats were amazing :worthy:

So someone had to have played a lot of minutes and put up great numbers in an all star game in order for them to deserve the spot? Be careful about ur answer...

[daslicer]

With his own kind? All Jazz all stars are black...what are u talking about?

All 3 Jazz players are not urban Black Americans Mitchell/Conley both grew up upper middle class. Gobert is a biracial black man from France.

[duncan2k5]

All 3 Jazz players are not urban Black Americans Mitchell/Conley both grew up upper middle class. Gobert is a biracial black man from France.
Gobert is black...being from france doesn't mean u aren't urban...who raised you ppl? By ur insane standard, literally nobody on lebrons team would be picked, if you think he was only looking to choose black urban players...take the L fam...this isn't a point u can argue...ur wrong

[Collins21]

Gobert is black...being from france doesn't mean u aren't urban...who raised you ppl? By ur insane standard, literally nobody on lebrons team would be picked, if you think he was only looking to choose black urban players...take the L fam...this isn't a point u can argue...ur wrong

You try to twist shit and deflect on purpose and this proves it. That man said nothing of Gobert not being Urban. He said Gobert was a Bi racial man from France which is true. I'm pretty sure Gobert has very little connection to urban African Culture here in the US. sometimes I think you do so much trolling that it clogs your brain and you forget what the topic actually is.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

The Spurs deserved an all-star. They're firmly in the playoff race with a top 10 overall record and have overachieved. They have a player averaging better than 20-5-5, so his selection should have been a no-brainer as a reserve, because that's the way this exhibition game has always worked.

They locked out an entire deserving franchise from representation, and I agree that folks in the Spurs FO need to let Silver know.




I know Pop looks at it as a stupid waste of time, but it is good for the fans and the city.

[daslicer]

The Spurs deserved an all-star. They're firmly in the playoff race with a top 10 overall record and have overachieved. They have a player averaging better than 20-5-5, so his selection should have been a no-brainer as a reserve, because that's the way this exhibition game has always worked.

They locked out an entire deserving franchise from representation, and I agree that folks in the Spurs FO need to let Silver know.




I know Pop looks at it as a stupid waste of time, but it is good for the fans and the city.

I think some in here don't understand that by allowing them to snub Derozan that you are making it easier for them in the future to easily snub Dejounte,Keldon, or any of other young spurs when they become all-star caliber players. This may seem like no big deal but it is because if guys can't get recognition playing here which is being an all-star, and being considered for awards then why would they like to stay here longterm? Spurs were blessed with ego-less stars in Duncan,Manu,Robinson and even Parker to some extent but the majority of NBA star players are not in the mold of those guys. They care about being recognized.

[KobesAchilles]

So someone had to have played a lot of minutes and put up great numbers in an all star game in order for them to deserve the spot? Be careful about ur answer...
Nope. But someone on the Spurs should've been there. Daslicer is right, if PATFO take the high road here then it only becomes harder for any of our youth to make it. Like what if Dejounte has Demar's stats next year and is leading us to the 7th seed sans Demar. But the same shit happens. That hurts the franchise going forward

[R. DeMurre]

I think some in here don't understand that by allowing them to snub Derozan that you are making it easier for them in the future to easily snub Dejounte,Keldon, or any of other young spurs when they become all-star caliber players.

Why is it so hard to believe that the experienced people choosing All Star spots simply & honestly didn't think DeRozan deserved to be an All Star over other players?

In selecting the All-Star Game reserves, each NBA head coach voted for seven players in his conference-- two guards, three front court players and two additional players at any position. That's how it's done. There was no "conspiracy" to "snub" DeRozan. A bunch of coaches register their votes, and aren't allowed to vote for their own players. This seems like a pretty fair system to me. Did the rival coaches all get together on a conference call and decide it was a good idea to screw the Spurs? No, of course not. They voted for guys they've coached against who seem to them to be difficult to match up with and contain. They voted for guys who seem to be legitimate difference makers. Sorry, but if I'm starting a new team and I can choose Mike Conley or DeMar DeRozan, I'm choosing Conley. It's not because I have some secret conspiracy agenda against DeRozan... it's because Conley plays D, shoots the three, and doesn't create the team building impediments that DeRozan does.

[daslicer]

Why is it so hard to believe that the experienced people choosing All Star spots simply & honestly didn't think DeRozan deserved to be an All Star over other players?

In selecting the All-Star Game reserves, each NBA head coach voted for seven players in his conference-- two guards, three front court players and two additional players at any position. That's how it's done. There was no "conspiracy" to "snub" DeRozan. A bunch of coaches register their votes, and aren't allowed to vote for their own players. This seems like a pretty fair system to me. Did the rival coaches all get together on a conference call and decide it was a good idea to screw the Spurs? No, of course not. They voted for guys they've coached against who seem to them to be difficult to match up with and contain. They voted for guys who seem to be legitimate difference makers. Sorry, but if I'm starting a new team and I can choose Mike Conley or DeMar DeRozan, I'm choosing Conley. It's not because I have some secret conspiracy agenda against DeRozan... it's because Conley plays D, shoots the three, and doesn't create the team building impediments that DeRozan does.

I'm not buying into your bs argument that Conley is better than Derozan.

[R. DeMurre]

I'm not buying into your bs argument that Conley is better than Derozan.

You're entitled to your opinion, but it seems most NBA coaches would take my side.

[daslicer]

You're entitled to your opinion, but it seems most NBA coaches would take my side.

That's fine but I will say NBA coaches have made mistakes before such as selecting Draymond Green to the all-star game when he didn't deserve to be there. So their not always right either.

[KingKev]

Conley got in because they needed a replacement who could be in 3pt contest. DDR would have probably gotten the nod otherwise. Demar has played well this year and I can now tolerate him but also both himself and Spurs fans should understand that. Nothing personal. You can’t shoot 3s and they needed someone to fill two AS roles. Sorry.

[daslicer]

Conley got in because they needed a replacement who could be in 3pt contest. DDR would have probably gotten the nod otherwise. Demar has played well this year and I can now tolerate him but also both himself and Spurs fans should understand that. Nothing personal. You can’t shoot 3s and they needed someone to fill two AS roles. Sorry.

Cheesy reason to pick an all-star. They could have flown out some random scrub for the 3 point shoot out just like they did for the dunk contest.

[duncan2k5]

You try to twist shit and deflect on purpose and this proves it. That man said nothing of Gobert not being Urban. He said Gobert was a Bi racial man from France which is true. I'm pretty sure Gobert has very little connection to urban African Culture here in the US. sometimes I think you do so much trolling that it clogs your brain and you forget what the topic actually is.

Asshole...look at everything he said...he was implying lebron only chooses urban black ppl because he is biased...I pointed out that makes no sense because all 3 jazz members black, he replied that Two of the three jazz opponents aren't urban, and gobert is from France... do u not see how that's stupid? He is implying that gobert doesn't fit his description because he is from France (hence not urban)...

Well none of that makes sense to his original point that lebron was only choosing black urban ppl for his team since almost everyone on lebrons team came from a good background or a different country... And ur saying IM the wrong one? You ppl have a serious mental issue... The guy is factually wrong, yet ur saying I'm wrong for pointing it out... Lol

[daslicer]

Asshole...look at everything he said...he was implying lebron only chooses urban black ppl because he is biased...I pointed out that makes no sense because all 3 jazz members black, he replied that Two of the three jazz opponents aren't urban, and gobert is from France... do u not see how that's stupid? He is implying that gobert doesn't fit his description because he is from France (hence not urban)...

Well none of that makes sense to his original point that lebron was only choosing black urban ppl for his team since almost everyone on lebrons team came from a good background or a different country... And ur saying IM the wrong one? You ppl have a serious mental issue... The guy is factually wrong, yet ur saying I'm wrong for pointing it out... Lol

Gobert is not an urban black American. He has nothing in common with an urban black American. He is as urban as Tony Parker considering Tony is from Paris,France but we know Tony is not an urban black American.

[duncan2k5]

Gobert is not an urban black American. He has nothing in common with an urban black American. He is as urban as Tony Parker considering Tony is from Paris,France but we know Tony is not an urban black American.

FUCK GOBERT!! what about everyone LeBron has chosen on the team? So Jokic is an urban black? News to me...Giannis is from Greece, so pretty much the same as Gobert, right? Curry grew up in the slums? Luka is a black dude from the hood? Sabonis? Y'all are so caught up nitpicking to say I'm wrong when I'm very CLEARLY right... But it kills y'all to admit it... So now ur on the side of a dude who is making a very stupid point that lebron didn't pick jazz players because they aren't urban blacks... That's a dumbfuck statement to make and ur defending it because I'm the one pointing it out... It's very obvious

[Collins21]

Asshole...look at everything he said...he was implying lebron only chooses urban black ppl because he is biased...I pointed out that makes no sense because all 3 jazz members black, he replied that Two of the three jazz opponents aren't urban, and gobert is from France... do u not see how that's stupid? He is implying that gobert doesn't fit his description because he is from France (hence not urban)...

Well none of that makes sense to his original point that lebron was only choosing black urban ppl for his team since almost everyone on lebrons team came from a good background or a different country... And ur saying IM the wrong one? You ppl have a serious mental issue... The guy is factually wrong, yet ur saying I'm wrong for pointing it out... Lol

You're wrong when you say Gobert is black that's the first thing that is factually incorrect. Anything after that is moot because Gobert is Bi racial not black which is only a thing that is done in the U.S.

[playblair]

:lol @ untouchable.. you really think jackers are gonna give a fuck about some LA street shit here if they wanted to rob him?
i havent flagged since i was released from prison 11 years ago..........i called my og apparently the bloods have become huge in san antonio............no jackers will rob any gang members its an unwritten rule in the streets........

[daslicer]

You're wrong when you say Gobert is black that's the first thing that is factually incorrect. Anything after that is moot because Gobert is Bi racial not black which is only a thing that is done in the U.S.

Agreed. The one drop rule was one of the dumbest things the US government ever came up with.

[daslicer]

FUCK GOBERT!! what about everyone LeBron has chosen on the team? So Jokic is an urban black? News to me...Giannis is from Greece, so pretty much the same as Gobert, right? Curry grew up in the slums? Luka is a black dude from the hood? Sabonis? Y'all are so caught up nitpicking to say I'm wrong when I'm very CLEARLY right... But it kills y'all to admit it... So now ur on the side of a dude who is making a very stupid point that lebron didn't pick jazz players because they aren't urban blacks... That's a dumbfuck statement to make and ur defending it because I'm the one pointing it out... It's very obvious

Lebron has a preference. The game has also become more diverse now with the influx of foreign talent so obviously not all the guys Lebron picks are going to be urban blacks because not all the players available are urban blacks. Also class is starting to change in the NBA. They are a lot of black players who played in this all-star game that came from middle to upper middle class backgrounds.

[duncan2k5]

You're wrong when you say Gobert is black that's the first thing that is factually incorrect. Anything after that is moot because Gobert is Bi racial not black which is only a thing that is done in the U.S.

Bro...u live in the states...u haven't even been out the country...mixed ppl are considered black in other countries too... secondly u don't agree with ONE thing I said, so nothing else counts, but his entire premise is wrong because lebron DID choose a lot of the ppl he said he doesn't, but you still side with him? And u don't see how I'm proving to everyone on here that ur biased? All ur doing now is hoping they use their hate against me to side with u even tho y'all are very embarrassingly wrong...lol

[duncan2k5]

Lebron has a preference. The game has also become more diverse now with the influx of foreign talent so obviously not all the guys Lebron picks are going to be urban blacks because not all the players available are urban blacks. Also class is starting to change in the NBA. They are a lot of black players who played in this all-star game that came from middle to upper middle class backgrounds.

Y are u telling me that? I'm not the person that said lebron didn't choose the jazz players because they're not urban blacks

[Collins21]

Bro...u live in the states...u haven't even been out the country...mixed ppl are considered black in other countries too... secondly u don't agree with ONE thing I said, so nothing else counts, but his entire premise is wrong because lebron DID choose a lot of the ppl he said he doesn't, but you still side with him? And u don't see how I'm proving to everyone on here that ur biased? All ur doing now is hoping they use their hate against me to side with u even tho y'all are very embarrassingly wrong...lol

Yeah you know me to say i've never been out of the country. How do you know I've never been to very country Gobert is from?

[daslicer]

Y are u telling me that? I'm not the person that said lebron didn't choose the jazz players because they're not urban blacks

I'm trying help and educate you so you become more aware because you lack awareness.

[cjw]

This achievement award thing is absolutely what happened, and is totally wrong. If the league wanted to recognize guys who had AS-worthy careers but didn’t make it for one reason or another, just add a damn spot to the roster after ten years of them playing or whatever. It shouldn’t come at the cost of someone else. SGA or Demar deserved it over him.

The whole team record thing is BS too. They’re not way better than the rest of the west, they’ve come back to earth. And we know how the Hawks turned out the year they got four AS.

[widowmaker]

I wouldn’t be surprised if after lebron retires he becomes the nba commissioner, he is the defacto one right now.

[duncan2k5]

I'm trying help and educate you so you become more aware because you lack awareness.

So y don't u educate TD 21 by pointing out how wrong he is for saying lebron didn't choose the jazz players because he chooses players that are urban black players? Half of lebrons team is either white, from another country, or not urban... See because when you fail to point out the person that was blatantly... BLATANTLY wrong, it makes you come across as either unintelligent or biased... But TD 21 is the star of the board, so no one will want to point out how silly his point was... It's easier to attack me for pointing it out... Let's let the emperor run around without his clothes, right?

[duncan2k5]

Yeah you know me to say i've never been out of the country. How do you know I've never been to very country Gobert is from?

Because u wouldn't make an idiotic statement like black urban ppl in other countries have nothing in common with black urban ppl in the US...so if u have never been out the country, I'm STILL right, because I would have to have been to multiple countries, including the US in order to have enough knowledge to make that comparison...

[Collins21]

Because u wouldn't make an idiotic statement like black urban ppl in other countries have nothing in common with black urban ppl in the US...so if u have never been out the country, I'm STILL right, because I would have to have been to multiple countries, including the US in order to have enough knowledge to make that comparison...

Like i said in France they don't go by the One Drop Rule!! You can have at all the other arguments you want but scientifically if you have one white parent and one black parent you're biracial.

[duncan2k5]

Like i said in France they don't go by the One Drop Rule!! You can have at all the other arguments you want but scientifically if you have one white parent and one black parent you're biracial.

Ok...so is lebron from france? Lebron obviously views mixed ppl as black...but forget that...let's pretend GOBERT doesn't exist... because y'all are trying to pin down this one thing to ignore the bigger picture, because u will do anything not to acknowledge that he is wrong and I'm right...almost half or more of lebrons team doesn't fit the criteria that TD 21 laid out to claim that lebron only picks certain players for his team, hence left out the jazz players because none of them for that mold...let's focus on that...can you acknowledge that he was embarrassingly wrong on that point?

[Collins21]

Ok...so is lebron from france? Lebron obviously views mixed ppl as black...but forget that...let's pretend GOBERT doesn't exist... because y'all are trying to pin down this one thing to ignore the bigger picture, because u will do anything not to acknowledge that he is wrong and I'm right...almost half or more of lebrons team doesn't fit the criteria that TD 21 laid out to claim that lebron only picks certain players for his team, hence left out the jazz players because none of them for that mold...let's focus on that...can you acknowledge that he was embarrassingly wrong on that point?

I don't care about any of the other points. However I will say I wouldn't put it past LeBron to think that way. HOWEVER I think that LeBron's reason for not picking Mitchell or Gobert is due to him considering them a rival this year.