psychological signature of extremists

[Frenchfred]

A new study suggests that a particular mix of personality traits and unconscious cognition -- the ways our brains take in basic information -- is a strong predictor for extremist views across a range of beliefs, including nationalism and religious fervour. Across all ideologies investigated by the researchers, people who endorsed "extreme pro-group action," including ideologically-motivated violence against others, had a surprisingly consistent psychological profile.

Subtle difficulties with complex mental processing may subconsciously push people towards extreme doctrines that provide clearer, more defined explanations of the world, making them susceptible to toxic forms of dogmatic and authoritarian ideologies. The extremist mind -- a mixture of conservative and dogmatic psychological signatures -- is cognitively cautious, slower at perceptual processing and has a weaker working memory. This is combined with impulsive personality traits that seek sensation and risky experiences.

So, it is scientifically proven that extremists such as maga and/or religious people have difficulties and are slower at processing complex problems, have a weaker working memory and more likely to believe in conspiracy theories.

It is a complex read so most likely the group I mentioned won't read or not understand it.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rstb.2020.0424

[Ef-man]

Smells of derp all the way, so it would confirm him as a stupid extremist.

[FrostKing]

Church of Woke

[daslicer]

A new study suggests that a particular mix of personality traits and unconscious cognition -- the ways our brains take in basic information -- is a strong predictor for extremist views across a range of beliefs, including nationalism and religious fervour. Across all ideologies investigated by the researchers, people who endorsed "extreme pro-group action," including ideologically-motivated violence against others, had a surprisingly consistent psychological profile.

Subtle difficulties with complex mental processing may subconsciously push people towards extreme doctrines that provide clearer, more defined explanations of the world, making them susceptible to toxic forms of dogmatic and authoritarian ideologies. The extremist mind -- a mixture of conservative and dogmatic psychological signatures -- is cognitively cautious, slower at perceptual processing and has a weaker working memory. This is combined with impulsive personality traits that seek sensation and risky experiences.

So, it is scientifically proven that extremists such as maga and/or religious people have difficulties and are slower at processing complex problems, have a weaker working memory and more likely to believe in conspiracy theories.

It is a complex read so most likely the group I mentioned won't read or not understand it.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rstb.2020.0424

There are people out there that are engineers and programmers that have extreme conservative views and believe in conspiracies. You would think those people would be able to process complex problems since their jobs require it but still ended up with extreme views. How would you explain those people ending up with extreme views?

[FrostKing]

There are people out there that are engineers and programmers that have extreme conservative views and believe in conspiracies. You would think those people would be able to process complex problems since their jobs require it but still ended up with extreme views. How would you explain those people ending up with extreme views?
Royal Society Publishing is British. I am guessing Islam is a larger part of their data than MAGA.

[spurraider21]

Royal Society Publishing is British. I am guessing Islam is a larger part of their data than MAGA.
Fundamentalist Islam and maga are both very conservative movements

[FrostKing]

Fundamentalist Islam and maga are both very conservative movements
MAGA is more nationalist than religious, when comparing to Islam. I think many Republicans that turned their back on Trump in 2020 election were rural religious.

[DMC]

What does it say about creating sock puppets online to support your own positions?

[ElNono]

MAGA is more nationalist than religious, when comparing to Islam. I think many Republicans that turned their back on Trump in 2020 election were rural religious.

I think you got that backwards... IIRC, he slipped greatly in the suburbs/among educated voters.

[DMC]

Fundamentalist Islam and maga are both very conservative movements

https://www.pewforum.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2017/07/PF_2017.06.26_muslimamericans-04new-00.png

It's amusing how the echo chamber here never challenges claims from the members.

[ElNono]

What does it say about creating sock puppets online to support your own positions?

Who is derp?

[ElNono]

https://www.pewforum.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2017/07/PF_2017.06.26_muslimamericans-04new-00.png

He said Fundamentalist Islam.

[DMC]

He said Fundamentalist Islam.

If he said "fundamentalist Christian" would you draw such a distinction?

[spurraider21]

Yes, fundamentalist Muslims. Renowned supporters of secularism, lgbt and abortion rights

[ElNono]

If he said "fundmentalist Christian" would you draw such a distinction?

Sure. I would surmise he's not referring to the vast majority of Christians.

[spurraider21]

That the Republican Party is islamophobic doesn’t change that fundamentalist Islam is conservative in nature. Part of that is nationalism and similar sentiments of ingroup superiority. The parties might not be compatible (not that there is a fundamentalist Muslim party in the US), but that does not mean they are not both conservative

[ElNono]

IMO, while there might be some overlap in certain areas (ie: Allah), I just don't think your average American muslim is really anywhere near as fundamentalist as an Iranian muslim, for example.

Just the mere fact that the Iranian is living in a theocracy that has harsh penalties for infidels makes me think there's probably ample difference between them.

And I'm not even talking about the radicalized kind here.

[DMC]

Yes, fundamentalist Muslims. Renowned supporters of secularism, lgbt and abortion rights

In a survey of American Muslims, 0% identified as lesbian or gay. Here’s the story behind that statistic

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/28/us/lgbt-muslims-pride-progress

Blacks are lukewarm to gay marriage, but most say businesses must provide wedding services to gay couples

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/07/blacks-are-lukewarm-to-gay-marriage-but-most-say-businesses-must-provide-wedding-services-to-gay-couples/

Not all political affiliation is about supporting causes of that movement. It's as much, if not more about that movement supporting them. This is true for both sides.

[DMC]

IMO, while there might be some overlap in certain areas (ie: Allah), I just don't think your average American muslim is really anywhere near as fundamentalist as an Iranian muslim, for example.

Just the mere fact that the Iranian is living in a theocracy that has harsh penalties for infidels makes me think there's probably ample difference between them.

And I'm not even talking about the radicalized kind here.

There's a difference between a fundamentalist and an extremist. Unlike the Bible, there's no Pope to use hand-wavium for political pressure relief. There are some fundamentalists who are also reformists but still believe in the fundamental teachings of the Qu'ran.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There's a difference between a fundamentalist and an extremist. Unlike the Bible, there's no Pope to use hand-wavium for political pressure relief. There are some fundamentalists who are also reformists but still believe in the fundamental teachings of the Qu'ran.

Still cannot admit when wrong.

The US Islams as a whole don't want their religion to go back to when Abu was Calphi 1300 years ago like the Salalfists do which is what is taught at madrasa from North Africa to Pakistan.

[DMC]

That the Republican Party is islamophobic doesn’t change that fundamentalist Islam is conservative in nature. Part of that is nationalism and similar sentiments of ingroup superiority. The parties might not be compatible (not that there is a fundamentalist Muslim party in the US), but that does not mean they are not both conservative

So they just magically lose their religious beliefs when they come to the US.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So they just magically lose their religious beliefs when they come to the US.

Islam is not monolithic, dumbass.

[DMC]

Still cannot admit when wrong.

The US Islams as a whole don't want their religion to go back to when Abu was Calphi 1300 years ago like the Salalfists do which is what is taught at madrasa from North Africa to Pakistan.

The US Muslims do not have liberal values like your run of-the mill liberal democrat. Their values align more closely with the right, even though they vote left. In fact, many minorities, especially immigrants will support the left because of what the left can do for them. It's not about the moral values of the left. It's about how easy the left is to guilt into submission via social media pressure. So from that standpoint, perhaps a lot of those who purport to support the left are conservative, since a fair amount of self preservation instinct defines conservatism.

[DMC]

Still cannot admit when wrong.

The US Islams as a whole don't want their religion to go back to when Abu was Calphi 1300 years ago like the Salalfists do which is what is taught at madrasa from North Africa to Pakistan.


Islam is not monolithic, dumbass.

:lol Fuzzy

[DMC]

It's funny how the echo chamber here does the handoff in the relay race to a huge L.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The US Muslims do not have liberal values like your run of-the mill liberal democrat. Their values align more closely with the right, even though they vote left. In fact, many minorities, especially immigrants will support the left because of what the left can do for them. It's not about the moral values of the left. It's about how easy the left is to guilt into submission via social media pressure. So from that standpoint, perhaps a lot of those who purport to support the left are conservative, since a fair amount of self preservation instinct defines conservatism.

So? They are not fundamentalists like the Madrasa put out nonetheless. They don't meet the definition of Islamic fundamentalist. Admit it and quit trying to deflect with other shit.

You were wrong.

And quite frankly it's amazing how you think you can speak for what motivates anyone other than yourself. You don't get to speak for minorities or what motivates them. All you do here is reveal your harebrained takes.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol Fuzzy

Can it both be true that the vast majority of muslims in the US are not salafists and there still be multiple different versions of Islam?

Of course it can.

My whole point is that while some in the US are salafists the vast majority are not, dim.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's funny how the echo chamber here does the handoff in the relay race to a huge L.

Claiming one's own victory is not as convincing as you would like, dim.

[spurraider21]

The US Muslims do not have liberal values like your run of-the mill liberal democrat. Their values align more closely with the right, even though they vote left. In fact, many minorities, especially immigrants will support the left because of what the left can do for them. It's not about the moral values of the left. It's about how easy the left is to guilt into submission via social media pressure. So from that standpoint, perhaps a lot of those who purport to support the left are conservative, since a fair amount of self preservation instinct defines conservatism.
is your argument that US Muslims are conservative? if so, what was the purpose if bringing up their democrat affiliation?

[DMC]

is your argument that US Muslims are conservative?
:lol You wish

My argument is that US muslims, by and large, vote democrat. People don't always vote for the party that espouses their ethical views, but likely for the party they think will do the most for them. This is what many of you younger generation don't seem to get. You instead silo everyone into stereotypes of party affiliation characteristics.

[DMC]

Claiming one's own victory is not as convincing as you would like, dim.

You're the pomp and circumstance leading up to it, the human victory cigar.

[spurraider21]

:lol You wish

My argument is that US muslims, by and large, vote democrat. People don't always vote for the party that espouses their ethical views, but likely for the party they think will do the most for them. This is what many of you younger generation don't seem to get. You instead silo everyone into stereotypes of party affiliation characteristics.
i dont wish anything. i legitimately dont understand your position because your posts are all over the place.

obviously, we are speaking in generality when discussing "US muslims" or "fundamentalist muslims." there's a difference between generalizing and stereotyping

[DMC]

Can it both be true that the vast majority of muslims in the US are not salafists and there still be multiple different versions of Islam?

Of course it can.

My whole point is that while some in the US are salafists the vast majority are not, dim.

You gave them monolithic belief right before saying they aren't monolithic. Surely even you can see how retarded that was.

[DMC]

i dont wish anything. i legitimately dont understand your position because your posts are all over the place.

obviously, we are speaking in generality when discussing "US muslims" or "fundamentalist muslims." there's a difference between generalizing and stereotyping

Do you think conservatives toss Gays off rooftops? Do conservatives behead people in the streets? What are the similarities between extremist Muslims and conservatives in the US. It was your claim, support it.

Fundamentalist muslims might take issue with being "generalized" as extremist just as a fundamentalist Christian would take issue with being called one.

There are plenty muslim fundamentalists who are not extremists.

[spurraider21]

Do you think conservatives toss Gays off rooftops? Do conservatives behead people in the streets? What are the similarities between extremist Muslims and conservatives in the US. It was your claim, support it.

Fundamentalist muslims might take issue with being "generalized" as extremist just as a fundamentalist Christian would take issue with being called one.

There are plenty muslim fundamentalists who are not extremists.
i havent used the word extremist once. i said fundamentalist. i havent said anything about throwing gays off rooftops, either. these are your strawmen

you have agreed in this very thread that many muslims share conservative views on social issues, and pew polling on that very data would reveal that those muslims who are more religious are far more likely to hold those views. i dont see how you could possibly disagree that fundamentalist muslims, whether in the US or abroad, have conservative views on social issues.

[DMC]

i havent used the word extremist once. i said fundamentalist. i havent said anything about throwing gays off rooftops, either. these are your strawmen

you have agreed in this very thread that many muslims share conservative views on social issues, and pew polling on that very data would reveal that those muslims who are more religious are far more likely to hold those views. i dont see how you could possibly disagree that fundamentalist muslims, whether in the US or abroad, have conservative views on social issues.

The thread title clearly says "extremist" and yet you slip in "fundamentalist" as a "generalization" of extremists? I know your game Philo.

You also didn't answer the question. What similarities do conservatives have with muslim fundamentalists?

1st you're the only one who used "fundamentalist" in this thread and the rest has been in reference to your claim. This thread is called "psychological signature of extremists". It's not a coincidence you played that equivocation game.

2nd, you never supported your claim but instead have backpedaled from "fundamentalist" as if you weren't referring to extremism, when I equated US Muslims to fundamentalists.

You're trying to hedge your bets here.

[spurraider21]

The thread title clearly says "extremist" and yet you slip in "fundamentalist" as a "generalization" of extremists? I know your game Philo.

i didnt "slip" anything in. it was a very straightforward, one line post. there wasnt any sneaky language or small print.


You also didn't answer the question. What similarities do conservatives have with muslim fundamentalists?
i have answered this question. i said muslim fundamentalists are going to hold socially conservative views. i even mockingly cited things like secularism, LGBT rights, abortions as hot-button ones where a fundamentalist muslim would easily be characterized as conservative

[ElNono]

There's a difference between a fundamentalist and an extremist. Unlike the Bible, there's no Pope to use hand-wavium for political pressure relief. There are some fundamentalists who are also reformists but still believe in the fundamental teachings of the Qu'ran.

I specifically mentioned I was not talking about the radicalized (which I suspect is who you call extremist).

I would put it in terms of orthodox vs non-orthodox Jewish, to give an example. I don't think either group is radicalized/extremist, yet they have a fairly different conception of how to express and abide by their religion.

In my experience, Jewish orthodoxy is a minority of the entire worldwide Jewish population.

[FrostKing]

:lol You wish

My argument is that US muslims, by and large, vote democrat. People don't always vote for the party that espouses their ethical views, but likely for the party they think will do the most for them. This is what many of you younger generation don't seem to get. You instead silo everyone into stereotypes of party affiliation characteristics.
This is also the case in the UK, which I think this study is heavily founded on.


The premise of the study. I tend to agree. But I wouldn't draw the conclusion this is a Republican/MAGA phenomenon. Hence my post "Church of Woke" . Over the past decade conspiracies have formed such as systematic racism and white privilege. Both political parties responded to election defeat by questioning the process.

The line between Conservative and Liberal tactics has never been more blurred in the West. I.E. both play victim, race cards and cancel.

[DMC]

i didnt "slip" anything in. it was a very straightforward, one line post. there wasnt any sneaky language or small print.


i have answered this question. i said muslim fundamentalists are going to hold socially conservative views. i even mockingly cited things like secularism, LGBT rights, abortions as hot-button ones where a fundamentalist muslim would easily be characterized as conservative

This seems like a completely different thread. Why would you talk about fundamentalists in a thread about extremism, then try to differentiate between US muslims and "over there" muslims as if you weren't calling fundamentalists extremists, while at the same time claiming that US muslims aren't fundamentalists? Did you ignore the articles and the research data? Is your only recourse here to feign confusion?

[spurraider21]

1st you're the only one who used "fundamentalist" in this thread and the rest has been in reference to your claim. This thread is called "psychological signature of extremists". It's not a coincidence you played that equivocation game.
great. now that we've established that i used the term fundamentalist, then you can limit this side discussion with me to be about fundamentalists. if you wanted to stick to the conversation about extremists, then i wouldnt recommend responding to the one post that said fundamentalist and not extremist.

admittedly, there is significant overlap between who could be considered an extremist and who would be fundamentalist. more specifically, i would say that generally, extremists would be a subset of fundamentalists.


2nd, you never supported your claim but instead have backpedaled from "fundamentalist" as if you weren't referring to extremism, when I equated US Muslims to fundamentalists.

You're trying to hedge your bets here.
i havent backpedaled anything. i've been 100% consistent this entire time. i made the very simple claim that fundamentalist muslims are conservative. that's it. and then i more specifically said they are socially conservative, and have on multiple occasions cited specific areas.

obviously, i'm not talking about economic conservatism, as i dont know that there are any economic doctrines inherent to fundamentalist islam

[DMC]

MAGA could be a subset of conservatives. Your game is slipping.

Face it Philo, you tried a subtle troll and got jabbed for it. Lick your wounds and move on.

[spurraider21]

This seems like a completely different thread. Why would you talk about fundamentalists in a thread about extremism, then try to differentiate between US muslims and "over there" muslims as if you weren't calling fundamentalists extremists, while at the same time claiming that US muslims aren't fundamentalists? Did you ignore the articles and the research data? Is your only recourse here to feign confusion?
lets be clear. i said that fundamentalist muslims are conservative

you responded with a pew chart showing that american muslims lean democrat*

elnono then clarified, and i agreed, that i wasnt talking about all american muslims at large (as only a subset of those would be fundamentalist).



*you also then separately went into a tangent about how their leaning democrat doesnt change the fact that they actually are conservative... but then when i asked you outright if you are arguing that american muslims are conservative, your response was "you wish." this is where im legitimately confused by your position. i'm not feigning anything. you cite their being democrat as proving my claim of their conservatism wrong (despite identifying the wrong group)... but then simultaneously said that they ARE conservative despite identifying as democrat

[ElNono]

My argument is that US muslims, by and large, vote democrat. People don't always vote for the party that espouses their ethical views, but likely for the party they think will do the most for them. This is what many of you younger generation don't seem to get. You instead silo everyone into stereotypes of party affiliation characteristics.

I just don't think it's even close to accurate to characterize US muslims by and large as the fundamentalist type.

[DMC]

lets be clear. i said that fundamentalist muslims are conservative

you responded with a pew chart showing that american muslims lean democrat*

elnono then clarified, and i agreed, that i wasnt talking about all american muslims at large (as only a subset of those would be fundamentalist).



*you also then separately went into a tangent about how their leaning democrat doesnt change the fact that they actually are conservative... but then when i asked you outright if you are arguing that american muslims are conservative, your response was "you wish." this is where im legitimately confused by your position. i'm not feigning anything. you cite their being democrat as proving my claim of their conservatism wrong (despite identifying the wrong group)... but them simultaneously said that they ARE conservative despite identifying as democrat

But you were willing to accept that they are democratic supporters even if they ideologically lean conservative. You cannot have it both ways, you're just trying to pull out a w.

Conservative political movement isn't the same as religious conservatism via extremism. Maybe you should stop moonlighting as a wannabe troll.

[spurraider21]

MAGA could be a subset of conservatives. Your game is slipping.
no shit. they ARE a subset of conservatives. so are fundamentalist muslims.

lol


Face it Philo, you tried a subtle troll and got jabbed for it. Lick your wounds and move on.
self-claiming victory is always a good look for you. very derp-like. one step away from starting a thread to declare yourself the spurstalk mvp

[DMC]

no shit. they ARE a subset of conservatives. so are fundamentalist muslims.

lol


self-claiming victory is always a good look for you. very derp-like. one step away from starting a thread to declare yourself the spurstalk mvp

You're falsely equating religious conservatism with fiscal conservatism.

[spurraider21]

You're falsely equating religious conservatism with fiscal conservatism.


i havent backpedaled anything. i've been 100% consistent this entire time. i made the very simple claim that fundamentalist muslims are conservative. that's it. and then i more specifically said they are socially conservative, and have on multiple occasions cited specific areas.

obviously, i'm not talking about economic conservatism, as i dont know that there are any economic doctrines inherent to fundamentalist islam
lol

ive gone out of my way to specify that i have been talking about social issues exclusively.

[DMC]

I just don't think it's even close to accurate to characterize US muslims by and large as the fundamentalist type.

You're equating fundamentalist "type" as extremist. One can both believe in fundamental teachings and not be extreme about enforcing it on others. You're allowing room on one side, taking away from the other.

[FrostKing]

I just don't think it's even close to accurate to characterize US muslims by and large as the fundamentalist type.
I think in the work force this is correct. But there are alot of extended family in their homes not integrating whatsoever. Only existing within the small sub communities.

Islamic radicalism will begin to increase as the "Muslim travel ban" is lessened

[DMC]

lol

You say a lot of shit as caveat. Hell, most of what you post is the "fine print" disclaimer. It's not worth the pixels it's printed on so it doesn't help your case to repost it. So you're not talking about fiscal, only social. I showed you how American muslims do not socially accept gays in mosques. Do you think mosques are only for fundamentalists? You have a candyland view of Muslims in America and a "big bad wolf" view of Muslims in the ME.

[spurraider21]

But you were willing to accept that they are democratic supporters even if they ideologically lean conservative. You cannot have it both ways, you're just trying to pull out a w.
can you elaborate the point you're trying to make here? legitimate trying to get a clarification here. where did i try having anything both ways? and when did you establish that fundamentalist muslims were democratic supporters?

[spurraider21]

You say a lot of shit as caveat. Hell, most of what you post is the "fine print" disclaimer. It's not worth the pixels it's printed on so it doesn't help your case to repost it. So you're not talking about fiscal, only social. I showed you how American muslims do not socially accept gays in mosques. Do you think mosques are only for fundamentalists? You have a candyland view of Muslims in America and a "big bad wolf" view of Muslims in the ME.
:lmao i literally never used the word fiscal or economic in describing what i considered were the conservative views of fundamentalist muslims

where you got the idea that i was equivocating "fiscal conservatism" with "religious conservatism" is beyond me. " i specifically brought up abortions, gay marriage, etc each time to hammer the point home. that's not "fine print. that's just you desperately flailing

i have no doubt that most mosques are not going to find gay marriage to be kosher. would expect similar results from most christian churches. doesnt mean i think all american christians are fundamentalist.

[ElNono]

You're equating fundamentalist "type" as extremist. One can both believe in fundamental teachings and not be extreme about enforcing it on others. You're allowing room on one side, taking away from the other.

No, I'm not. I specifically referred to fundamentalists as not being extremists. I even gave an example with Jewish orthodoxy.

For example, the muslims that wear a hijab or turban strike me as the archetype of a fundamentalist, but I don't automatically equate them with being extremist.

On that note, how many hijab or turban wearing American muslims do you see on the regular? I mean, a little over 1 in 100 Americans are muslim (about 30% of those are African Americans).

[ElNono]

I think in the work force this is correct. But there are alot of extended family in their homes not integrating whatsoever. Only existing within the small sub communities.

Islamic radicalism will begin to increase as the "Muslim travel ban" is lessened

Again, I think mixing up fundamentalism and extremism is simply incorrect. Fundamentalism strike me as the person that closely abides to the religious teaching. There are certain traits that normally let's you see them from a mile away, you know, like I was saying with Orthodox Jews or Burka-wearing women, etc.

Are those people extremists? I don't think so. At least by and large they're not.

[FrostKing]

Again, I think mixing up fundamentalism and extremism is simply incorrect. Fundamentalism strike me as the person that closely abides to the religious teaching. There are certain traits that normally let's you see them from a mile away, you know, like I was saying with Orthodox Jews or Burka-wearing women, etc.

Are those people extremists? I don't think so. At least by and large they're not.
I think they are most easily turned or convinced to violence. And this is true of all religions, cults, followers. Especially when this is still in progress war zone.

[Blake]

Fundamentalist Islam and maga are both very conservative movements


The US Muslims do not have liberal values like your run of-the mill liberal democrat. Their values align more closely with the right, even though they vote left. In fact, many minorities, especially immigrants will support the left because of what the left can do for them. It's not about the moral values of the left. It's about how easy the left is to guilt into submission via social media pressure. So from that standpoint, perhaps a lot of those who purport to support the left are conservative, since a fair amount of self preservation instinct defines conservatism.

You called him out then proceed to back him up. Nice work.

[ElNono]

I think they are most easily turned or convinced to violence. And this is true of all religions, cults, followers. Especially when this is still in progress war zone.

If the claim is that they're more susceptible to radicalization, it's possible. Radicalization is such a mind job though, I think it encompasses more than just theology, though I wouldn't disagree that's one avenue to get a head start.

[FrostKing]

If the claim is that they're more susceptible to radicalization, it's possible. Radicalization is such a mind job though, I think it encompasses more than just theology, though I wouldn't disagree that's one avenue to get a head start.
I agree with your assessment. Outside factors play big role. In this situation. being forced to flee to the place that started/extended and freed war in your home.

[RandomGuy]

A new study suggests that a particular mix of personality traits and unconscious cognition -- the ways our brains take in basic information -- is a strong predictor for extremist views across a range of beliefs, including nationalism and religious fervour. Across all ideologies investigated by the researchers, people who endorsed "extreme pro-group action," including ideologically-motivated violence against others, had a surprisingly consistent psychological profile.

Subtle difficulties with complex mental processing may subconsciously push people towards extreme doctrines that provide clearer, more defined explanations of the world, making them susceptible to toxic forms of dogmatic and authoritarian ideologies. The extremist mind -- a mixture of conservative and dogmatic psychological signatures -- is cognitively cautious, slower at perceptual processing and has a weaker working memory. This is combined with impulsive personality traits that seek sensation and risky experiences.

So, it is scientifically proven that extremists such as maga and/or religious people have difficulties and are slower at processing complex problems, have a weaker working memory and more likely to believe in conspiracy theories.

It is a complex read so most likely the group I mentioned won't read or not understand it.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rstb.2020.0424

Pretty much what we knew already.

[DMC]

You called him out then proceed to back him up. Nice work.

So you agree US Muslims are fundamentalists. Doesn't make it a conservative movement . Do you know the difference?

[Blake]

So you agree US Muslims are fundamentalists. Doesn't make it a conservative movement . Do you know the difference?

The dmc rabbit hole

[Winehole23]

Parsing and pettifogging. And nitpicking.

DMC is overly fond of rephrasing what others say so he can smuggle in hostile inferences or otherwise try pin them to things they didn't say. And sometimes he just makes up shit that does not resemble so can talk about something else. Like in this thread.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol DMC getting dragged for days by The Left®

Never seen him outright lie this much about what other people posted minutes before. He misses his Trump.

[DMC]

can you elaborate the point you're trying to make here? legitimate trying to get a clarification here. where did i try having anything both ways? and when did you establish that fundamentalist muslims were democratic supporters?

:lol no, I'm not doing your fetch mission. You've been dancing like a monkey since.

[DMC]

Parsing and pettifogging. And nitpicking.

DMC is overly fond of rephrasing what others say so he can smuggle in hostile inferences or otherwise try pin them to things they didn't say. And sometimes he just makes up shit that does not resemble so can talk about something else. Like in this thread.

You're overly fond of talking about me.

[DMC]

No I don't know the difference

I'll tell you then.

Illegals who cross the border and swim the Rio to get here aren't supporters of camping. They aren't part of a camping movement or a "save the Rio" movement. They camp to survive, to make it across. With the Muslims, they back the dems because the dems enable them to "get across". What they do in their communities and mosques cannot be construed as liberal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMraxhd9Z9Q&ab_channel=92ndStreetY

[spurraider21]

:lol no, I'm not doing your fetch mission. You've been dancing like a monkey since.
explaining your own point is a fetch mission

derp sr folds

[Winehole23]

You're overly fond of talking about me.Your trend of petty parsing and asinine clowning has made you the butt of the joke. Tough break for you, but you drove yourself to it.

[DMC]

explaining your own point is a fetch mission

derp sr folds

The derp defense. It's all the echo chamber has these days. Anyone who dares disagree with the echo chamber is a derp.

You: Muslim fundamentalist and MAGA are conservative movements

Me: Muslim fundamentalist isn't a movement at all, it's a belief, a religion. MAGA is a conservative movement. What do they have in common?

You: They hate fags

Me: Here's a article from CNN showing the US Muslims hate fags

You: US Muslims aren't fundamentalists so what if they vote democratic?

You also: So US Muslims have conservative values, so I was right!

Me: Make up your mind, are US Muslims fundamentalist or not?

You: What are you saying? Fetch stuff

Me: :lol no

[DMC]

Your trend of petty parsing and asinine clowning has made you the butt of the joke. Tough break for you, but you drove yourself to it.

I'm arguing with a guy who lives by the paraphrase. Mind your business, Winehole Deux

[spurraider21]

You also: So US Muslims have conservative values, so I was right!
this was your claim based on the CNN article. i then asked if your argument is that american muslims are conservative and you said "you wish"

which raises the question of what point you were trying to make. i asked you to clarify that and you threw a hissy fit

were you trying to claim that american muslims are conservative? were you trying to argue that american muslims are fundamentalist? i have no clue

[ChumpDumper]

can you elaborate the point you're trying to make here?


no

:lmao full derp

[ChumpDumper]

You can always tell the exact moment DMC realizes he's over his skis and is about to be destroyed by his own words. It's all stonewalls, slurs and subject changes after that.

[Bogie]

explaining your own point is a fetch mission

derp sr folds


Seriously. If you would have just read the post without seeing who posted it, you would have thought it was from derp or one of his 40 alts

[Winehole23]

I'm arguing with a guy who lives by the paraphrase. Mind your business, Winehole DeuxIt’s an open forum, I’ll continue to reply to whatever I want. If you want to have a private conversation, go private.

[DMC]

It’s an open forum, I’ll continue to reply to whatever I want. If you want to have a private conversation, go private.

Then deal with it.

[Blake]

this was your claim based on the CNN article. i then asked if your argument is that american muslims are conservative and you said "you wish"

which raises the question of what point you were trying to make. i asked you to clarify that and you threw a hissy fit

were you trying to claim that american muslims are conservative? were you trying to argue that american muslims are fundamentalist? i have no clue

IT'S NOT DMC WHO DOESN'T GET IT. IT'S EVERYONE ELSE IN THE ECHO CHAMBER.

[Winehole23]

Then deal with it.I'm dealing just fine, post whatever you want. You're the one begging me to stop. :lol

[DMC]

I'm dealing just fine, post whatever you want. You're the one begging me to stop. :lol

Public forum but now i need your permission.

[Winehole23]

Public forum but now i need your permission.

You seem to have a crossed wire, I've imposed no requirements on you.

[DMC]

this was your claim based on the CNN article. i then asked if your argument is that american muslims are conservative and you said "you wish"

which raises the question of what point you were trying to make. i asked you to clarify that and you threw a hissy fit

were you trying to claim that american muslims are conservative? were you trying to argue that american muslims are fundamentalist? i have no clue

You think in bifurcated terms. You'll never understand that way.

A person can be conservative by nature and still support a liberal party if that liberal party offers things that conservative person wants. Unless you think the only thing that makes a Fundamentalist Muslim conservative is the hijab, then what are you suggesting changes within the Muslim household and psyche (and religion) to go from conservatism to the overwhelming support for the democratic party?

I am a conservative person but I still vote democrat sometimes depending on what's at stake, what is offered.

So again, without regressing into your shell of caveats and fine print disclaimers, what did you mean when you said Fundamentalist Muslims are a conservative movement? What is the movement?

[DMC]

You seem to have a crossed wire, I've imposed no requirements on you.

So when I say "mind your own business" that automatically illustrates begging but you reserve the right to be interpreted honestly?

:lol no, dipshit

[spurraider21]

You think in bifurcated terms. You'll never understand that way.

A person can be conservative by nature and still support a liberal party if that liberal party offers things that conservative person wants. Unless you think the only thing that makes a Fundamentalist Muslim conservative is the hijab, then what are you suggesting changes within the Muslim household and psyche (and religion) to go from conservatism to the overwhelming support for the democratic party?

I am a conservative person but I still vote democrat sometimes depending on what's at stake, what is offered.

So again, without regressing into your shell of caveats and fine print disclaimers, what did you mean when you said Fundamentalist Muslims are a conservative movement? What is the movement?
is your beef that i said movement instead of ideology or mentality or worldview?

[Winehole23]

So when I say "mind your own business" that automatically illustrates begging but you reserve the right to be interpreted honestly?

:lol no, dipshitI reserved no rights whatsoever, but even if I did you wouldn't respect them.

I'm not sure why you consider my offhand comment to another poster about your MO an interruption of your convo with sr21, but it's not surprising. Lately you seem to be having some trouble following threads and the basic meaning of what people say in them.

[Winehole23]

you also seem to be having some trouble "fetching" your own point.

[DMC]

I reserved no rights whatsoever, but even if I did you wouldn't respect them.

I'm not sure why you consider my offhand comment to another poster about your MO an interruption of your convo with sr21, but it's not surprising. Lately you seem to be having some trouble following threads and the basic meaning of what people say in them.

Sorry this is happening to you.

[DMC]

is your beef that i said movement instead of ideology or mentality or worldview?

You attempted to tie conservatism to terrorism and failed miserably, and have been doing damage control since with this song and dance.

Step up your troll game son.

[Winehole23]

Sorry this is happening to you.The issue is what seems to be happening to you, to be honest.

They all say that the mind starts to go at a certain point, what they don't tell you is, you won't miss it very much.

[spurraider21]

You attempted to tie conservatism to terrorism and failed miserably, and have been doing damage control since with this song and dance.

Step up your troll game son.
no. i said that religious fundamentalists, including muslim fundamentalists, are conservative. i then specified both through examples and then expressly that i was referring to social conservatism

terrorism can be inspired by conservatism, liberalism, or leftism. just another strawman

[ChumpDumper]

:lol why does DMC keep trying the straw men expecting them to work?

[Winehole23]

:lol why does DMC keep trying the straw men expecting them to work?Blunt attempt to save face in the eyes of the derp crew and the rest of the board. He's gotta know it won't work on sr21.

[Winehole23]

or, DMC is honestly confused by the plain meaning of what sr21 is saying, even when it's spelled out for him. or DMC has decided that sr21 "really" means something besides what he has actually said, and that therefore we should accept DMC's tendentious rephrasing instead of what sr21 says for himself.

[Winehole23]

(it is kind of derp-like)

[DMC]

The issue is what seems to be happening to you, to be honest.

They all say that the mind starts to go at a certain point, what they don't tell you is, you won't miss it very much.

Like that will ever happen :lol

[DMC]

Fundamentalist Islam and maga are both very conservative movements


no. i said that religious fundamentalists, including muslim fundamentalists, are conservative. i then specified both through examples and then expressly that i was referring to social conservatism

terrorism can be inspired by conservatism, liberalism, or leftism. just another strawman

Again, how is fundamentalist Islam a conservative movement? How do you get there in a thread about extremists?

So not wanting to be told what to do, like wearing masks or owning guns or what you can or cannot say, that's inline with Muslim Fundamentalism, Islam, which literally means to submission to the will of God?

Thread title is "psychological signature of extremists". You tied extremists to Fundamentalists and from there to conservatives in the US, all the while ignoring that those same fundamentalist Muslims vote democrat in the US. You cannot wrap your mind around how that shits on your initial comparison.

[spurraider21]

Again, how is fundamentalist Islam a conservative movement? How do you get there in a thread about extremists?

So not wanting to be told what to do, like wearing masks or owning guns or what you can or cannot say, that's inline with Muslim Fundamentalism, Islam, which literally means to submission to the will of God?

Thread title is "psychological signature of extremists". You tied extremists to Fundamentalists and from there to conservatives in the US, all the while ignoring that those same fundamentalist Muslims vote democrat in the US. You cannot wrap your mind around how that shits on your initial comparison.


is your beef that i said movement instead of ideology or mentality or worldview?

[DMC]

What ideologies do MAGA folks have? What is their worldview?

Contrast that with fundamentalist Muslims. Do MAGA folks want their own version of Sharia? Do they want the Sabbath to be enforced by law, to punish adulterers, to legislate honoring mother and father? Have they voted for a religious leader?

[spurraider21]

What ideologies do MAGA folks have? What is their worldview?

Contrast that with fundamentalist Muslims. Do MAGA folks want their own version of Sharia? Do they want the Sabbath to be enforced by law, to punish adulterers, to legislate honoring mother and father? Have they voted for a religious leader?
i'll ask you 2 yes/no questions

are "maga people" socially conservative?

are fundamentalist muslims socially conservative?

no need to actually answer, we already know

[DMC]

i'll ask you 2 yes/no questions

are "maga people" socially conservative?

are fundamentalist muslims socially conservative?

no need to actually answer, we already know

Define "socially conservative" and use the same definition for both groups

Americans, by default, are extremely liberal compared to Sharia mongers. So calling Americans socially conservative (in relation to the American left) is quite different than calling Fundamentalist Muslims socially conservative (in relation to the American left).

Where along the spectrum of social conservatism do these two groups fall? You'd have me believe they fall on top of each other, like a single point.

What were the MAGA platform talking points?

To bring back the economy, boost jobs, protect US trade interests, and to continue with hard-line stance on immigration.

Which of those are about social conservatism?

[ChumpDumper]

:lol fetch demands

[Adam Lambert]

Late to this thread but as soon as I read DMCs first post, I knew it was going to be 5 pages of him not getting a fairly simple concept.

[spurraider21]

Define "socially conservative" and use the same definition for both groups
generally speaking, an adherence to what would be considered traditional morality

hot button social political issues include things like LGBT issues, abortions, feminism, drug criminalization, religion/secularism...

[DMC]

Muslim fundamentalists have religious conservatism, not social conservatism. You're trying to neatly tie together two unlike things and call them the same. You should have aborted this some time ago.

[spurraider21]

Muslim fundamentalists have religious conservatism, not social conservatism. You're trying to neatly tie together two unlike things and call them the same. You should have aborted this some time ago.
no, im pretty sure they have social conservatism too. MAGA people tend to have religions conservatism too. just THEIR religion though, not the turban wearing one. but i'm not even talking about that. i've consistently discussed social conservatism. inferring that fundamentalist muslims dont generally hold socially conservative views is indicative of either bad faith or a room temperature IQ

[ChumpDumper]

Muslim fundamentalists have religious conservatism, not social conservatism.:rollin

[DMC]

Define "socially conservative" and use the same definition for both groups

Americans, by default, are extremely liberal compared to Sharia mongers. So calling Americans socially conservative (in relation to the American left) is quite different than calling Fundamentalist Muslims socially conservative (in relation to the American left).

Where along the spectrum of social conservatism do these two groups fall? You'd have me believe they fall on top of each other, like a single point.

What were the MAGA platform talking points?

To bring back the economy, boost jobs, protect US trade interests, and to continue with hard-line stance on immigration.

Which of those are about social conservatism?


no, im pretty sure they have social conservatism too. MAGA people tend to have religions conservatism too. just THEIR religion though, not the turban wearing one. but i'm not even talking about that. i've consistently discussed social conservatism. inferring that fundamentalist muslims dont generally hold socially conservative views is indicative of either bad faith or a room temperature IQ

[DMC]

:lol Chumpy's blocked messages keep showing up like bird droppings. Dude is really Jonsing to get in on it.

[spurraider21]

What were the MAGA platform talking points?

To bring back the economy, boost jobs, protect US trade interests, and to continue with hard-line stance on immigration.

Which of those are about social conservatism?
you specifically talk about economic MAGA platforms :lol

as if they have no cultural/social opinions either. i gave a pretty reasonable definition of social conservatism. it applies to both maga and religious (including muslim) fundamentalists.

[DMC]

generally speaking, an adherence to what would be considered traditional morality

hot button social political issues include things like LGBT issues, abortions, feminism, drug criminalization, religion/secularism...

Islamic fundamentalism has been defined as a movement of Muslims who are of the view that Muslim majority countries should return to the fundamentals of an Islamic state, which truly show the essence of the system of Islam, in terms of its socio-politico-economic system. Islamic fundamentalists favor "a literal and originalist interpretation" of the primary sources of Islam (the Quran and Sunnah),[1] seek to eliminate (what they perceive to be) "corrupting" non-Islamic influences from every part of their lives[2] and see "Islamic fundamentalism" as a pejorative term used by outsiders for Islamic revivalism and Islamic activism.[3]

American conservatives can be from any religious belief. There are even atheist conservatives. What does it have to do with religious fundamentalism? Oh that's easy... not a damn thing.

Keep trying to pull a w here.

[DMC]

you specifically talk about economic MAGA platforms :lol

as if they have no cultural/social opinions either. i gave a pretty reasonable definition of social conservatism. it applies to both maga and religious (including muslim) fundamentalists.

What do the social opinions have to do with the political movement?

What is fundamental MAGA since it started like 4 years ago :lol

[spurraider21]

Islamic fundamentalism has been defined as a movement of Muslims who are of the view that Muslim majority countries should return to the fundamentals of an Islamic state, which truly show the essence of the system of Islam, in terms of its socio-politico-economic system. Islamic fundamentalists favor "a literal and originalist interpretation" of the primary sources of Islam (the Quran and Sunnah),[1] seek to eliminate (what they perceive to be) "corrupting" non-Islamic influences from every part of their lives[2] and see "Islamic fundamentalism" as a pejorative term used by outsiders for Islamic revivalism and Islamic activism.[3]

American conservatives can be from any religious belief. There are even atheist conservatives. What does it have to do with religious fundamentalism? Oh that's easy... not a damn thing.

Keep trying to pull a w here.
i dont care if it comes from one religion or another. they wind up with similar conclusions on the big social issues ive identified earlier

[DMC]

i dont care if it comes from one religion or another. they wind up with similar conclusions on the big social issues ive identified earlier

You're so squishy. What conclusions? Be specific.

[ChumpDumper]

You're so squishy. What conclusions? Be specific.DMC will try to do this forever, just like he tries to pretend not reading these posts.

[DMC]

^:lol "let me in!"

[spurraider21]

You're so squishy. What conclusions? Be specific.
what conclusions do they share on LGBT issues, abortion rights, feminism, secularism, etc? pretty straightforward.

being opposed to LGBT rights (marriage, status as a protected class). not considering trans people to be valid (if u born penis you boy/man period). not being for legalized abortions. preferring traditional gender roles/traditional family structure, being opposed to secularism.

i'm not interested in continuing on the DMC rodeo.

[DMC]

what conclusions do they share on LGBT issues, abortion rights, feminism, secularism, etc? pretty straightforward.

being opposed to LGBT rights (marriage, status as a protected class). not considering trans people to be valid (if u born penis you boy/man period). not being for legalized abortions. preferring traditional gender roles/traditional family structure, being opposed to secularism.

i'm not interested in continuing on the DMC rodeo.

Being opposed to :lol

You really think Fundamental Muslims are thinking about LGBTQ rights or abortion? They want a caliphate, they want Sharia. They don't give two shits about American talking points.

:lol derp folds

[spurraider21]

Being opposed to :lol

You really think Fundamental Muslims are thinking about LGBTQ rights or abortion? They want a caliphate, they want Sharia. They don't give two shits about American talking points.

:lol derp folds
i said they're both conservative. i didnt say they are identical political groups.

[Blake]

Islamic fundamentalism has been defined as a movement of Muslims who are of the view that Muslim majority countries should return to the fundamentals of an Islamic state, which truly show the essence of the system of Islam, in terms of its socio-politico-economic system. Islamic fundamentalists favor "a literal and originalist interpretation" of the primary sources of Islam (the Quran and Sunnah),[1] seek to eliminate (what they perceive to be) "corrupting" non-Islamic influences from every part of their lives[2] and see "Islamic fundamentalism" as a pejorative term used by outsiders for Islamic revivalism and Islamic activism.[3]

American conservatives can be from any religious belief. There are even atheist conservatives. What does it have to do with religious fundamentalism? Oh that's easy... not a damn thing.

Keep trying to pull a w here.

Further down DMC's wikipedia reference that he was too ashamed to link:

"Definitions vary as to what Islamic fundamentalism exactly is and how, if at all, it differs from Islamism (or political Islam) or Islamic revivalism. The term fundamentalism has been deemed "misleading" by those who suggest that all mainstream Muslims believe in the literal divine origin and perfection of the Quran and are therefore "fundamentalists",[4] and others who believe it is a term that is used by outsiders in order to describe perceived trends within Islam.[5] Some exemplary Islamic fundamentalists include Sayyid Qutb, Abul Ala Mawdudi,[6] and Israr Ahmed.[7] The Wahhabi movement and its funding by Saudi Arabia is often described as being responsible for the popularity of contemporary Islamic fundamentalism. From this specific regional context, islamic fundamentalism can be seen as a branch of the far-right.[8]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_fundamentalism#:~:text=Islamic%20fundament alism%20has%20been%20defined,socio-politico-economic%20system.

Lol honest broker

[Winehole23]

lacking fundamental honesty himself, projects dishonesty on others

[spurraider21]

https://preview.redd.it/bj21xsyvym471.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&486f1c58https://i.gyazo.com/b3876b7468a6eb16d22dc87f5c8d05d4.jpg

[DMC]

Typical tactic of the left/center-left here...

Left wing Poster A makes sloppy, broad brush comment, gets called out.
Left wing Poster A makes a sloppy retort in defense
Left wing Poster B shows up and makes a different defense, gets called out for the original claim
Left wing Poster B denies ever making the original claim, even though poster B is defending it
Left wing Poster C shows up, defends original claim, defends poster B
Left wing Poster C gets called out, denies caring about the original claim, denies supporting Poster B, still wants a back and forth about the original claim.
Left wing Poster D shows up, posts a strawman meme about the attack on the original claim
The responses pretty much cease because of the web of shit that's developed,
Left wing Poster E calls fold

rinse and repeat

[spurraider21]

typical tactic of DMC

1 - tries to pick a fight
2 - gets shit on
3 - rinse, repeat

[Th'Pusher]

typical tactic of DMC

1 - tries to pick a fight
2 - gets shit on
3 - rinse, repeat

I’ve never seen someone enjoy getting shit on as much as deemack. The way he positions himself to have multiple multiple men line up to drop one on his chest, while disgusting, is also impressive. I’ve never seen anything like it on the internet in my life. A man, In The later stages of life, completely and totally addicted to getting shit on. It’s extraordinary.

[RandomGuy]

Typical tactic of the left/center-left here...

Left wing Poster A makes sloppy, broad brush comment, gets called out.
Left wing Poster A makes a sloppy retort in defense
Left wing Poster B shows up and makes a different defense, gets called out for the original claim
Left wing Poster B denies ever making the original claim, even though poster B is defending it
Left wing Poster C shows up, defends original claim, defends poster B
Left wing Poster C gets called out, denies caring about the original claim, denies supporting Poster B, still wants a back and forth about the original claim.
Left wing Poster D shows up, posts a strawman meme about the attack on the original claim
The responses pretty much cease because of the web of shit that's developed,
Left wing Poster E calls fold

rinse and repeat

tldr

I'm sure it was one of your usual badly composed strawmen.

[Thread]

Typical tactic of the left/center-left here...

Left wing Poster A makes sloppy, broad brush comment, gets called out.
Left wing Poster A makes a sloppy retort in defense
Left wing Poster B shows up and makes a different defense, gets called out for the original claim
Left wing Poster B denies ever making the original claim, even though poster B is defending it
Left wing Poster C shows up, defends original claim, defends poster B
Left wing Poster C gets called out, denies caring about the original claim, denies supporting Poster B, still wants a back and forth about the original claim.
Left wing Poster D shows up, posts a strawman meme about the attack on the original claim
The responses pretty much cease because of the web of shit that's developed,
Left wing Poster E calls fold

rinse and repeat

D M C

[Thread]

tldr

I'm sure it was one of your usual badly composed strawmen.

Bend over. I'll show ya a fuckin' badly composed strawman.

[DMC]

typical tactic of DMC

1 - tries to pick a fight
2 - gets shit on
3 - rinse, repeat

Gas lighting isn't your strong suit.

[DMC]

I’ve never seen someone enjoy getting shit on as much as deemack. The way he positions himself to have multiple multiple men line up to drop one on his chest, while disgusting, is also impressive. I’ve never seen anything like it on the internet in my life. A man, In The later stages of life, completely and totally addicted to getting shit on. It’s extraordinary.

You've never been able to best me here. I've dragged you, kicking and screaming, to the woodshed time and again on various subjects and you've tried to gain reprieve through crying apologies. Nonetheless, I switched your ass but good.

[spurraider21]

Gas lighting isn't your strong suit.
true. good thing i wasnt gaslighting there

[DMC]

true. good thing i wasnt gaslighting there

You were, just like you are now. You spent a lot of time in school to learn to be a professional liar.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol DMC doesn't even know what gaslighting is.