Hearing set for DC statehood: March 22nd

[Winehole23]

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https://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/dc-statehood-gets-march-22-house-oversight-committee-hearing/I4RAYJUS6JF2RNEVJCM2KUBIHA/

[Adam Lambert]

There is literally no compelling argument against DC statehood, but it will still fail because politics.

[boutons_deux]

again, a simple majority, both chambers

I bet the Dems don't have 50 pro-DC Senators.

[Spurtacular]

There is literally no compelling argument against DC statehood, but it will still fail because politics.

If you're a neckbeard getting a thrill up your leg.

[Reck]

Manchin is having the time of his life right now. I bet he's a hard no on this.

[boutons_deux]

More people live in DC than all of these western counties combined

https://ggwash.org/images/made/images/posts/_resized/Sparse2_800_495.png

https://ggwash.org/view/79091/more-people-live-in-dc-than-all-of-these-western-counties-combined

[DarrinS]

More people live in DC than all of these western counties combined

https://ggwash.org/images/made/images/posts/_resized/Sparse2_800_495.png

https://ggwash.org/view/79091/more-people-live-in-dc-than-all-of-these-western-counties-combined



Are any of those counties states?

[ElNono]

There is literally no compelling argument against DC statehood, but it will still fail because politics.

There's certainly a politically compelling argument, tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

Are any of those counties states?More people than all of Wyoming.

[Spurtacular]

More people live in DC than all of these western counties combined

https://ggwash.org/images/made/images/posts/_resized/Sparse2_800_495.png

https://ggwash.org/view/79091/more-people-live-in-dc-than-all-of-these-western-counties-combined


And they get three electoral votes for it.

[ChumpDumper]

And they get three electoral votes for it.Why not give them votes in Congress?

[Spurtacular]

Why not give them votes in Congress?

Do you have something in the Constitution that says they're entitled to said votes?

[pgardn]

Are any of those counties states?

More than Wyoming.
But the latest Census was a mess under Trump so...

I want to think the idea is that these Western counties are the spawning grounds of more Cliven Bundy's.
We dont need more Cliven Bundy's. Or Marion Barry's. Except Cliven the debtor, elected himself...
Lord and Master of federal Bird houses.

[pgardn]

Do you have something in the Constitution that says they're entitled to said votes?

Sure, a particular party now in power wants the votes.
You got something wrong with that Trumpster?
You see how this comes around?

[Spurtacular]

Sure, a particular party now in power wants the votes.
You got something wrong with that Trumpster?
You see how this comes around?

I have no respect for the Democrat Party. But that has nothing to do with my question.

[ChumpDumper]

Do you have something in the Constitution that says they're entitled to said votes?Wyoming didn't.

Why should those people get votes in Congress and not the people of DC?

[Spurtacular]

Wyoming didn't.

Why should those people get votes in Congress and not the people of DC?

Pretending to not know Constitutional basics.

[ChumpDumper]

Poor Derp pretending to not know Constitutional basics.The people of Wyoming Territory were not entitled to votes in Congress, derp.

How do you say they got them?

[ElNono]

Do you have something in the Constitution that says they're entitled to said votes?

“Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative…”
— U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 2, clause 3

[ElNono]

“Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.”
— U.S. Constitution, Amendment XIV, section 2

[pgardn]

I have no respect for the Democrat Party. But that has nothing to do with my question.

Sure it does.
Trump ran roughshod over the constitution so all is fair via your previous support.
I say give them more blue votes for the House based on the fact Trump tried to wreck the census.
Punitive representation.

[Winehole23]

Are any of those counties states?More than Vermont and Wyoming, comparable to South Dakota and Alaska.

[Spurtacular]

“Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative…”
— U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 2, clause 3

[Spurtacular]

Sure it does.
Trump ran roughshod over the constitution so all is fair via your previous support.
I say give them more blue votes for the House based on the fact Trump tried to wreck the census.
Punitive representation.

Daddy issues.

[pgardn]

Daddy issues.

Yeah that certainly follows from my post...

Do you have a torso and head?

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah that certainly follows from my post...

Do you have a torso and head?He certainly doesn't have a father.

[Winehole23]

Yeah that certainly follows from my post...

Do you have a torso and head?

torso, yes




https://libcom.org/files/acephale.jpg

[pgardn]

torso, yes

Skull in the groin area.
That fits.

[ducks]

again, a simple majority, both chambers

I bet the Dems don't have 50 pro-DC Senators.

Cry me a river

[ducks]

Do you have something in the Constitution that says they're entitled to said votes?

[ducks]

Why not give them votes in Congress?

They need guns to protect themselves more then voted in congress

[pgardn]

They need guns to protect themselves more then voted in congress

So they can all shoot each other?

correct?

[ducks]

So they can all shoot each other?

correct?

Blacks love to shoot blacks

[pgardn]

Blacks love to shoot blacks

So in a way you could get rid of all the residents of DC?
Is this a plan?

[ElNono]

“Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States"

Right, thread title clearly says DC Statehood, in other words, if they become a State they're entitled to at some of those votes.

[Adam Lambert]

There's certainly a politically compelling argument, tbh.

Sure. It likely benefits one party because the population is made up of people that the other party makes no effort whatsoever to attract. But political strategy shouldn't stand in the way of fair representation.

[ElNono]

Sure. It likely benefits one party because the population is made up of people that the other party makes no effort whatsoever to attract.

I would argue it's more than that. There's one party whose active strategy is suppressing the vote they suspect might not favor them.

[Spurtacular]

Right, thread title clearly says DC Statehood, in other words, if they become a State they're entitled to at some of those votes.

Why is DC entitled to Virginia and Maryland's lands?

It's called a district for a reason, not a state.

[ChumpDumper]

Why is DC entitled to Virginia and Maryland's lands?

It's called a district for a reason, not a state.
Why is West Virginia entitled to Virginia's land?

[Spurtacular]

Why is West Virginia entitled to Virginia's land?

I never claimed they were.

[ChumpDumper]

I never claimed they were.Yet they got it.

Despite your whining.

[Spurtacular]

Yet they got it.

Despite your whining.

Is that a feather in your cap, Derp?

[spurraider21]

More people than all of Wyoming.
or vermont

[DMC]

It would be a small state, especially considering the chunk the feds would take. I'd think they'd get annexed before becoming an individual state.

[boutons_deux]

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=c5ffe9fe07&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r471122748185253900&th=1783af34de668f26&view=fimg&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ_gJ-CWKAHAkYmncDm5Z61cAJWsUBsLmH2K-QJ0N9f5lIavYeIyotvTwNpcsLi6n9tZV3imSHbFp7Jq2AROjS0 k9iWBsimvdt99DtkcfRiq739HD9A5BENcDnA&disp=emb&realattid=ii_kmbz6oru0

[CosmicCowboy]

Reading about it, there are certainly some constitutional issues. I know you guys are lusting after those two additional senate votes, but the general legal consensus seems to be that it would take a constitutional amendment. If they try to do it without one it's bound to end up in the Supreme court. IMHO Puerto Rico has a better chance of getting statehood than DC.

[CosmicCowboy]

Why it would probably need a constitutional amendment:


James Madison explained the need for a federal district on January 23, 1788, in the Federalist No. 43, arguing that the national capital needed to be distinct from the states, in order to provide for its own maintenance and safety.[2] An attack on the Congress at Philadelphia by a mob of angry soldiers, known as the Pennsylvania Mutiny of 1783, had emphasized the need for the government to see to its own security.[3] Therefore, the authority to establish a federal capital was provided in Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution, which states that Congress shall have the power:

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States

[ChumpDumper]

1/6 proved that DC is NOT set up to provide its own security.

[CosmicCowboy]

1/6 proved that DC is NOT set up to provide its own security.

They certainly have the capability, they just didn't use it on 1/6.

https://bsmedia.business-standard.com/_media/bs/img/article/2021-01/14/full/1610568390-5106.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

They certainly have the capability, they just didn't use it on 1/6.


Who is "they"?

[CosmicCowboy]

Who is "they"?

Congress and the President. Duh.

[ChumpDumper]

Congress and the President. Duh.
How does Congress control the national guard?

[Winehole23]

They certainly have the capability, they just didn't use it on 1/6.

https://bsmedia.business-standard.com/_media/bs/img/article/2021-01/14/full/1610568390-5106.jpgThat's a very misleading take.

Two factors here:

1. DOD waited over three hours to approve deployment of the DCNG after help was urgently requested by Capitol Police.

2. The acting Sec'y of Defense tied the DCNG's hands behind their backs. Despite that, order was restored shortly after the DCNG showed up.

You owe the DCNG an apology for misrepresenting their efficacy. They did their job, once the DOD allowed them to do it.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuykapdWYAA3tz4?format=jpg&name=medium

[CosmicCowboy]

How does Congress control the national guard?

Nice strawman using the word CONTROL. Typical chumpshit.

The Sergeant at Arms who works directly for the Speaker of the House can request the National Guard. They don't CONTROL the National Guard, but the National Guard would not refuse the request.

[ChumpDumper]

They don't CONTROL the National Guard:tu

[Winehole23]

CC is trying to blame Pelosi for DOD's fuckup

[CosmicCowboy]

That's a very misleading take.

Two factors here:

1. DOD waited over three hours to approve deployment of the DCNG after help was urgently requested by Capitol Police.

2. The acting Sec'y of Defense tied the DCNG's hands behind their backs. Despite that, order was restored shortly after the DCNG showed up.

You owe the DCNG an apology for misrepresenting their efficacy. They did their job, once the DOD allowed them to do it.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuykapdWYAA3tz4?format=jpg&name=medium

I'm not re arguing 1/6. The capital police requested National Guard assistance BEFORE 1/6 and were refused by the Sgt. at Arms because of "optics".

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/955548910/ex-capitol-police-chief-rebuffs-claims-national-guard-was-never-called-during-ri

[ChumpDumper]

CC is trying to blame Pelosi for DOD's fuckupYep, just another gaslighter.

[CosmicCowboy]

CC is trying to blame Pelosi for DOD's fuckup

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/955548910/ex-capitol-police-chief-rebuffs-claims-national-guard-was-never-called-during-ri

[monosylab1k]

Are any of those counties states?

Do the citizens of DC have the representation that those counties have?

[boutons_deux]

D.C. wouldn't be abolished, of course, only reduced in area, with the bulk becoming a state.

Madison's Federalist writings aren't Constitutional law, none of them are, nor is the Dec of Ind

Madison's idea of DC failed as DC was not fortified, and the Brits burned it down in 1812

[ElNono]

Why is DC entitled to Virginia and Maryland's lands?

Why not?


It's called a district for a reason, not a state.

This is a stupid argument. There were originally 13 states, and the rest where called something else. Under this silly argument, none of them should've become states.

But, there's nothing unconstitutional about it either. The US Constitution clearly addresses how to deal with the expansion of the Union as more States join.

[Winehole23]

I'm not re arguing 1/6. Yeah you were. You said the National Guard didn't do the job. That's false.


The capital police requested National Guard assistance BEFORE 1/6 and were refused by the Sgt. at Arms because of "optics".Superseded by the DOD memo of Jan.4th posted here. An earlier request would have made no difference.

[CosmicCowboy]

Yeah you were. You said the National Guard didn't do the job. That's false.

I said no such thing.

[CosmicCowboy]

Yeah you were. You said the National Guard didn't do the job. That's false.

Superseded by the DOD memo of Jan.4th posted here. An earlier request would have made no difference.

That memo was in regard to the DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA request for help with traffic control. Totally unrelated to Congress and the Capital. Try to keep up.

[SpursforSix]

I said no such thing.

Remember when you said that cows don't fart and then you said you never said that?

[CosmicCowboy]

Remember when you said that cows don't fart and then you said you never said that?

I vividly remember clarifying the remark for ignorant illiterates like you.

[SpursforSix]

I vividly remember clarifying the remark for ignorant illiterates like you.

Lol. "Illiterate". You're the one that said, "Cows don't fart". When literally, they do. You've never admitted your were wrong in that original statement.

All you had to do is say you were ignorant and that I helped educate you.
http://static1.squarespace.com/static/59f094d3ccc5c5185d441c81/59f0fe3b386f57d3eb9f2d99/59f0ffc8386f57d3eb9f5c4e/1508968141790/?format=1500w

[CosmicCowboy]

Lol. "Illiterate". You're the one that said, "Cows don't fart". When literally, they do. You've never admitted your were wrong in that original statement.

All you had to do is say you were ignorant and that I helped educate you.

I am not playing this game. I have explained it to you multiple times and you are still too stupid and illiterate to get it., so fuck off, dumbass. your schtick is getting old and tired

[SpursforSix]

I am not playing this game. I have explained it to you multiple times and you are still too stupid and illiterate to get it., so fuck off, dumbass. your schtick is getting old and tired

Lol...you've never explained it. You just decided to start posting facts instead of what you thought was right. My guess is you actually did some research once you were called out.

But yeah...you're not playing, "this game".

[Chucho]

Throw Puerto Rico into the deal for symmetry and I'm in.

[Winehole23]

That memo was in regard to the DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA request for help with traffic control. Totally unrelated to Congress and the Capital. Try to keep up.Izzat so?

I wasn't aware riot shields, batons and helicopters were standard National Guard issue for "traffic control"

[Winehole23]

How odd is it that the DOD would be dictating “traffic control” to the National Guard don’t you think? And what a coincidence that the order came two days before the riot.

[Winehole23]

Lol...you've never explained it. You just decided to start posting facts instead of what you thought was right. My guess is you actually did some research once you were called out.

But yeah...you're not playing, "this game".what facts. CC is straight gaslighting and making stuff up.

[CosmicCowboy]

Izzat so?

I wasn't aware riot shields, batons ans helicopters were standard National Guard issue for "traffic control"

jeez. Read up please. DC in advance requested national guard support to help with traffic control, at metro stops, etc. They were given 350. They were unarmed. That is what the memo specifically referred to...the rules for those 350 guardsmen assisting the DC police. Read the first paragraph of the memo that you posted.

[Winehole23]

jeez. Read up please. DC in advance requested national guard support to help with traffic control, at metro stops, etc. They were given 350. They were unarmed. That is what the memo specifically referred to...the rules for those 350 guardsmen assisting the DC police. Read the first paragraph of the memo that you posted.Those were the only National Guard officers available to help at the Capitol when the riot started and they were forbidden from doing so.

All the other National Guard troops were held out of action by SECDEF for almost four hours after the riot started. That’s nothing to do with Pelosi.

[Bogie]

I am not playing this game. I have explained it to you multiple times and you are still too stupid and illiterate to get it., so fuck off, dumbass. your schtick is getting old and tired


is that like you pretending you’re not 100% a party of Trump Republican?

you post nothing but republican talking points. That party is dedicated itself to worshiping at the altar of Trump. You are in that party. You parrot all of things they tell you to think. You will vote again for Ted Cruz because you are a party of trumper.

[CosmicCowboy]

what facts. CC is straight gaslighting and making stuff up.

https://clear.ucdavis.edu/explainers/how-do-cows-produce-methane

When animals are criticized for the part they play in climate change, most often it’s the cattle that take it on the chin. While beef and other products that come from cattle are popular in the United States and abroad, what cattle are often singled out for is the result of a digestive system that differs from those of poultry and swine, two other favorite sources of protein.

Cattle are ruminant animals and are in the company of about 200 other ruminant species– including sheep, goats, buffalo, deer, elk, giraffes and camels. What characterizes a ruminant animal is a specialized digestive system that allows them to break down and digest food that is undigestible by non-ruminants, such as humans. In fact, Eighty-six percent of global livestock feed is material that is not edible for humans.

So how are ruminants able to digest this material?

Instead of one compartment in the stomach, they have four. One of them – the rumen – allows them to store partially digested food and let it ferment. They later regurgitate the food and finish the digestive process.

As grass and other vegetation ferments in the rumen, it produces the greenhouse gas, methane, as well as a host of other byproducts. (Incidentally, decomposing food in landfills does the same thing). The methane is then expelled by the cow, mainly through belching. But cattle also offer a chance to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and are able to act as upcyclers of foods we humans cannot consume.

In California, two-thirds of all agricultural land is marginal, meaning that we can’t grow human edible crops with this land, but we can graze and grow cattle on it. In this way cattle are able to upcycle nutrients humans cannot utilize, and convert plants on marginal lands into high quality protein we can utilize.

[Winehole23]

https://clear.ucdavis.edu/explainers/how-do-cows-produce-methane

When animals are criticized for the part they play in climate change, most often it’s the cattle that take it on the chin. While beef and other products that come from cattle are popular in the United States and abroad, what cattle are often singled out for is the result of a digestive system that differs from those of poultry and swine, two other favorite sources of protein.

Cattle are ruminant animals and are in the company of about 200 other ruminant species– including sheep, goats, buffalo, deer, elk, giraffes and camels. What characterizes a ruminant animal is a specialized digestive system that allows them to break down and digest food that is undigestible by non-ruminants, such as humans. In fact, Eighty-six percent of global livestock feed is material that is not edible for humans.

So how are ruminants able to digest this material?

Instead of one compartment in the stomach, they have four. One of them – the rumen – allows them to store partially digested food and let it ferment. They later regurgitate the food and finish the digestive process.

As grass and other vegetation ferments in the rumen, it produces the greenhouse gas, methane, as well as a host of other byproducts. (Incidentally, decomposing food in landfills does the same thing). The methane is then expelled by the cow, mainly through belching. But cattle also offer a chance to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and are able to act as upcyclers of foods we humans cannot consume.

In California, two-thirds of all agricultural land is marginal, meaning that we can’t grow human edible crops with this land, but we can graze and grow cattle on it. In this way cattle are able to upcycle nutrients humans cannot utilize, and convert plants on marginal lands into high quality protein we can utilize.Thank, I didn’ t mean the cows.

But kudos for the off-topic accuracy. My broader point about your spin and distortion in this one remains.

[SpursforSix]

https://clear.ucdavis.edu/explainers/how-do-cows-produce-methane

When animals are criticized for the part they play in climate change, most often it’s the cattle that take it on the chin. While beef and other products that come from cattle are popular in the United States and abroad, what cattle are often singled out for is the result of a digestive system that differs from those of poultry and swine, two other favorite sources of protein.

Cattle are ruminant animals and are in the company of about 200 other ruminant species– including sheep, goats, buffalo, deer, elk, giraffes and camels. What characterizes a ruminant animal is a specialized digestive system that allows them to break down and digest food that is undigestible by non-ruminants, such as humans. In fact, Eighty-six percent of global livestock feed is material that is not edible for humans.

So how are ruminants able to digest this material?

Instead of one compartment in the stomach, they have four. One of them – the rumen – allows them to store partially digested food and let it ferment. They later regurgitate the food and finish the digestive process.

As grass and other vegetation ferments in the rumen, it produces the greenhouse gas, methane, as well as a host of other byproducts. (Incidentally, decomposing food in landfills does the same thing). The methane is then expelled by the cow, mainly through belching. But cattle also offer a chance to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and are able to act as upcyclers of foods we humans cannot consume.

In California, two-thirds of all agricultural land is marginal, meaning that we can’t grow human edible crops with this land, but we can graze and grow cattle on it. In this way cattle are able to upcycle nutrients humans cannot utilize, and convert plants on marginal lands into high quality protein we can utilize.


Technically, they don't fart. They belch.

[Winehole23]

(I gave CC too much credit. Whenever he bows up like he couldn't possibly be wrong, he's wrong.)

[ducks]

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=c5ffe9fe07&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r471122748185253900&th=1783af34de668f26&view=fimg&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ_gJ-CWKAHAkYmncDm5Z61cAJWsUBsLmH2K-QJ0N9f5lIavYeIyotvTwNpcsLi6n9tZV3imSHbFp7Jq2AROjS0 k9iWBsimvdt99DtkcfRiq739HD9A5BENcDnA&disp=emb&realattid=ii_kmbz6oru0
Email gmail link wtf

[Millennial_Messiah]

Joe Manchin tick tock tick tock t-minus 20 months until his de facto presidency is over

[Winehole23]

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[boutons_deux]

'How embarrassing': Journalist highlights right-wingers' 'painfully stupid' arguments against DC statehood

the District of Columbia shouldn't have statehood because

Washington, D.C residents can influence "the national debate" with yard signs. :lol

D.C. shouldn't have statehood because it doesn't have its own landfill. :lol

"D.C. would be the only state without an airport, without a car dealership, without a capitol city, without a landfill…. We could go on and on and on." :lol

"It is not the Constitution that stands in the way of D.C. statehood.

It is a political party that would rather deny equal suffrage to 700,000 Americans than cede any modicum of power."

https://www.alternet.org/2021/03/arguments-against-dc-statehood/

Heritage stink tank is full of shit

[Millennial_Messiah]

Of course this would be a partisan issue and the Dems would support it, 102 senators and 51 states just doesn't feel right. I wouldn't mind it too bad if they gave DC statehood but in turn revoked Hawaii's status as a state and made it more of a colony commonwealth like Guam. It would make more sense. Hawaii shouldn't be a fucking state. It's halfway across the fucking Pacific Ocean and a quarter of a way around the world. Might as well give our military base near Baghdad statehood as well.

I do agree that DC should have 3 house of representatives reps to match their electoral college votes, but how do you zone-off such a small district? Maybe just make them like senators where you have open primaries for all 3 positions and the candidates with the top 3 % of total votes each get a seat for that two-year term.

[baseline bum]

Of course this would be a partisan issue and the Dems would support it, 102 senators and 51 states just doesn't feel right. I wouldn't mind it too bad if they gave DC statehood but in turn revoked Hawaii's status as a state and made it more of a colony commonwealth like Guam. It would make more sense. Hawaii shouldn't be a fucking state. It's halfway across the fucking Pacific Ocean and a quarter of a way around the world. Might as well give our military base near Baghdad statehood as well.

I do agree that DC should have 3 house of representatives reps to match their electoral college votes, but how do you zone-off such a small district? Maybe just make them like senators where you have open primaries for all 3 positions and the candidates with the top 3 % of total votes each get a seat for that two-year term.

Better yet merge the two Dakotas, no need for that to be two states.

[Trainwreck2100]

Of course this would be a partisan issue and the Dems would support it, 102 senators and 51 states just doesn't feel right. I wouldn't mind it too bad if they gave DC statehood but in turn revoked Hawaii's status as a state and made it more of a colony commonwealth like Guam. It would make more sense. Hawaii shouldn't be a fucking state. It's halfway across the fucking Pacific Ocean and a quarter of a way around the world. Might as well give our military base near Baghdad statehood as well.

I do agree that DC should have 3 house of representatives reps to match their electoral college votes, but how do you zone-off such a small district? Maybe just make them like senators where you have open primaries for all 3 positions and the candidates with the top 3 % of total votes each get a seat for that two-year term.


Ah yes let's decide how our government works based purely on the fact that we use a number system that is base 10. And ignore that there were 48 senators pre hawaii

[Winehole23]

Better yet merge the two Dakotas, no need for that to be two states.

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[Winehole23]

Republicans are essentially arguing DC residents don't deserve representation because most of them are registered Democrats.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[coyotes_geek]

Y'all paying attention, Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, USVI, Northern Marianas?

[baseline bum]

Y'all paying attention, Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, USVI, Northern Marianas?

PR should be split into two states like Dakota. Hell make DC two states too.

[Winehole23]

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[coyotes_geek]

I have a hard time getting interested in the merits of DC statehood when the motivations of everyone involved, for or against it, are purely political. All that's going on here is an attempt to find new battlegrounds for red team and blue team to fight on. DC becomes a state, giving blue team two more senators and a house seat, then red team responds by wanting to split West Virginia into East West Virginia and West West Virginia, so on and so forth. Not much different than stacking the supreme court tbh. With both democrats and republicans now considering collaboration with the other party paramount to an act of treason each team is looking for creative ways to increase their power, with the ultimate goal of being able to ram through their agendas with little or no support from across the aisle.

[spurraider21]

I have a hard time getting interested in the merits of DC statehood when the motivations of everyone involved, for or against it, are purely political. All that's going on here is an attempt to find new battlegrounds for red team and blue team to fight on. DC becomes a state, giving blue team two more senators and a house seat, then red team responds by wanting to split West Virginia into East West Virginia and West West Virginia, so on and so forth. Not much different than stacking the supreme court tbh. With both democrats and republicans now considering collaboration with the other party paramount to an act of treason each team is looking for creative ways to increase their power, with the ultimate goal of being able to ram through their agendas with little or no support from across the aisle.
the senate is already grossly imbalanced with respect to representation... leaving it at the status quo is also a political motivation

[coyotes_geek]

the senate is already grossly imbalanced with respect to representation... leaving it at the status quo is also a political motivation

Completely agree.

[boutons_deux]

50 (so-called) Dem Senators represent 40M+ MORE people than 50 Repug Senators.

Combined with the Electoral college and both weaponized by the fascist Capitalists financing the fascist Repugs, the unchangeable, archaic, fucked up Constitution has really fucked up America.

[Winehole23]

Passes House

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[Winehole23]

the House GOP voted against the 2020 election on Jan. 6th, now it votes in lock step against representation for DC residents.

[boutons_deux]

Boebert appears to argue the Founding Fathers opposed adding more states to USA

https://occupydemocrats.com/wp-content/uploads/bobobber.jpg

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https://occupydemocrats.com/2021/04/22/boebert-provokes-mockery-after-appearing-to-claim-the-founding-fathers-opposed-adding-more-states3

[RandomGuy]

Boebert appears to argue the Founding Fathers opposed adding more states to USA

https://occupydemocrats.com/wp-content/uploads/bobobber.jpg

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https://occupydemocrats.com/2021/04/22/boebert-provokes-mockery-after-appearing-to-claim-the-founding-fathers-opposed-adding-more-states3

The stupid, it burns...

[boutons_deux]

"In 1889 and 1890, Congress added North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Washington, Idaho, and Wyoming—the largest admission of states since the original 13.

This addition of 12 new senators and 18 new electors to the Electoral College was

a deliberate strategy of late-19th-century Republicans to stay in power after their swing toward Big Business cost them a popular majority.

The strategy paid dividends deep into the future;

indeed, the admission of so many rural states back then helps to explain GOP control of the Senate today, 130 years later."

https://www.rawstory.com/dc-statehood-2652739540

[Kim Jong-il]

https://twitter.com/michaelharriot/status/1385314896485695493?s=21

[Winehole23]

The Federalist went there: "DC is a 3rd world shithole"

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[Winehole23]

DC's median income is $126,000

58% of DC residents have a bachelor's or a more advanced degree. The US median for this education level is ~33%

[DMC]

DC's median income is $126,000

58% of DC residents have a bachelor's or a more advanced degree. The US median for this education level is ~33%

Income Inequality in DC Highest in the Country
By Minahil Naveed • December 15, 2017 • Income & Poverty
The District has a higher level of income inequality than any state in the country, with households in the top 20 percent of income having 29 times more income than the bottom 20 percent. The bottom fifth of DC households had just two percent of total DC income in 2016, while the top fifth had a staggering 56 percent.


https://www.dcfpi.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/income-inequal-graph.png

[Winehole23]

Income Inequality in DC Highest in the Country
By Minahil Naveed • December 15, 2017 • Income & Poverty
The District has a higher level of income inequality than any state in the country, with households in the top 20 percent of income having 29 times more income than the bottom 20 percent. The bottom fifth of DC households had just two percent of total DC income in 2016, while the top fifth had a staggering 56 percent.


https://www.dcfpi.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/income-inequal-graph.pngso then, may I put you down for 3rd world shithole?

[Winehole23]

even if we were to stipulate DC is a third world shithole, how would that render it less worthy of voting representation in Congress?

perhaps the two are related, eh?

[DMC]

even if we were to stipulate DC is third world shithole, how would that render it less worthy of voting representation in Congress?

perhaps the two are related, eh?
The Twenty-third Amendment (Amendment XXIII) to the United States Constitution extends the right to vote in presidential elections to citizens residing in the District of Columbia.

If they want state representation, move to a state.

[Winehole23]

I thank DMC for suggesting the possible link between lack of reprentation in Congress and racial inequality in DC. :tu

[DMC]

so then, may I put you down for 3rd world shithole?

:cry but the median income!

[DMC]

I thank DMC for suggesting the possible link between lack of reprentation in Congress and racial inequality in DC. :tu

Bottom's up

[Winehole23]

The Twenty-third Amendment (Amendment XXIII) to the United States Constitution extends the right to vote in presidential elections to citizens residing in the District of Columbia.

If they want state representation, move to a state.your silly opinion is as welcome as anyone else's here.

cheers :toast

[Winehole23]

:cry but the median income!DC isn't a third world shithole, man.

[Winehole23]

nm

[SnakeBoy]

DC isn't a third world shithole, man.

The consensus on here for the last 4 years has been the whole country is a shithole

I'm glad it's better now

[Winehole23]

The consensus on here for the last 4 years has been the whole country is a shithole

I'm glad it's better nowplease speak for yourself

[DarrinS]

Paved with good intentions

[Winehole23]

Paved with good intentionstherefore, be selfish and let god sort it out

[Winehole23]

makes as much sense what you said

[Winehole23]

DMC to DC: "if you want real representation in Congress, leave."

[DMC]

DMC to DC: "if you want real representation in Congress, leave."

Poor rich white people

[ducks]

A long-shot bid to pass legislation that would make the District of Columbia the nation’s 51st state got a little longer on Friday.

Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia said that he opposes unilateral action by Congress to make the nation’s capital a state and that he believes it needs to be done through a constitutional amendment. He said prior Republican and Democratic administrations thought the same thing.

“They all came to the same conclusion. If Congress wants to make D.C. a state, it should propose a constitutional amendment,” Manchin said in an interview with the West Virginia MetroNews radio network. “It should propose a constitutional amendment and let the people of America vote.”

Earlier this month, the House approved a bill strictly along party lines to make the District of Columbia a state with one representative and two senators, while a tiny sliver of land including the White House, the U.S. Capitol and the National Mall would remain a federal district.

[Winehole23]

Poor rich white peopleI wasn't aware DC was an all-white city

[Winehole23]

subtle clew to DMC's frame of mind

DC = "poor rich white people" when it suits him, hope nobody got whiplash.

[Winehole23]

Manchin against

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[DarrinS]

Manchin against

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:cry

[Winehole23]

I don't know why you're crying, Darrin, nothing happened yet.

[Winehole23]

West Virginia

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=371340

[ElNono]

Manchin says he does not support D.C. statehood bill
The West Virginia senator said in a radio interview that he believed the path to D.C. statehood requires a constitutional amendment.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/30/manchin-does-not-support-dc-statehood-bill-485125

[DMC]

I wasn't aware DC was an all-white city

just most of the ones you were bragging about having big education and income

[DMC]

I wasn't aware DC was an all-white city

just most of the ones you were bragging about having big education and income

https://i.imgur.com/4jhOj3d.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EHnvU0S.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/1glQ0dT.jpg

Stop acting like you give a shit about the people of Washington DC. The majority of the population is Black. See how they fare there and you think having statehood will somehow change that?

While you were bragging about their income and education level, you ignored the racial disparity.

[ChumpDumper]

Wow, DMC is really against a black majority state.

[Winehole23]

just most of the ones you were bragging about having big education and incomeso good you said it twice!

[Winehole23]

just most of the ones you were bragging about having big education and income

https://i.imgur.com/4jhOj3d.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EHnvU0S.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/1glQ0dT.jpg

Stop acting like you give a shit about the people of Washington DC. The majority of the population is Black. See how they fare there and you think having statehood will somehow change that?

While you were bragging about their income and education level, you ignored the racial disparity.May I put you down for "3rd world shithole," Sir?

[Winehole23]

Wow, DMC is really against a black majority state.lol not knowing what "median" means

[Adam Lambert]

The Federalist went there: "DC is a 3rd world shithole"

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[DMC]

:lol Winehole struggling to recover again.

:lol pretending the state would belong to the poorest segment of the population while at the same time touting the wealthiest as a reason for statehood



DC's median income is $126,000

58% of DC residents have a bachelor's or a more advanced degree. The US median for this education level is ~33%

:lol

[Winehole23]

pobrecito DMC

[boutons_deux]

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=c5ffe9fe07&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r350476150424210276&th=1792db3e43d6efb5&view=fimg&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ_AXpQNphyEEDukmMp3cS7Fjv8SaEf0J2a2l8v VarEWsULnu8zbyZVpI8YehVkjSs48eX9ezI-nsGKgEMxNX6LUSTf3t9cgL_4tucI7SJPm0LNzjrXIvwZZUAk&disp=emb&realattid=ii_ko7bydo00

[DMC]

pobrecito DMC

When looking at people with bachelor's degrees or higher, census data shows that 25.6 percent of black residents have at least a bachelor's degree compared to 92 percent of white residents.

pobrecito black DC residents

"DC statehood for the black majority!" - Liberal Whites

[Winehole23]

please tell us more about DC inequality, this is very welcome.

[CosmicCowboy]

DC elected crackhead dumbass Marion Barry as mayor. Twice.

[baseline bum]

DC elected crackhead dumbass Marion Barry as mayor. Twice.

Texas voted Trump for president. Twice.

[CosmicCowboy]

Texas voted Trump for president. Twice.

Trump wasn't videoed smoking crack with a hooker between term one, then jail, and term two. DC residents haven't shown they are very responsible with voting.

[ChumpDumper]

Smoking crack is better than willfully killing hundreds of thousands of Americans.

Paternalist conspiretard Republicans haven't shown they are very responsible with voting.

[CosmicCowboy]

Smoking crack is better than willfully killing hundreds of thousands of Americans.

Paternalist conspiretard Republicans haven't shown they are very responsible with voting.

So the President is responsible for anyone that dies of covid? Oh, thats right...only if they are from the OTHER party.

[ChumpDumper]

So the President is responsible for anyone that dies of covid?Probably close to half of them if I'm being charitable and you're being honest.

Barry would've handled this better than Trump did.

Almost any politician you can think of would've done better.

[DarrinS]

Smoking crack is better than willfully killing hundreds of thousands of Americans.

Paternalist conspiretard Republicans haven't shown they are very responsible with voting.


Did he order nursing homes to accept covid+ patients?

[ChumpDumper]

Did he order nursing homes to accept covid+ patients?No.

Your Trump is a miserable failure and you voted for him again AFTER he failed.

That's just fucking stupid, Darrin.

[CosmicCowboy]

Probably close to half of them if I'm being charitable and you're being honest.

Barry would've handled this better than Trump did.

Almost any politician you can think of would've done better.

If you are implying that people that worshipped Trump and believed every word he said were disproportinately killed by covid I would like to see your data.

[ChumpDumper]

If you are implying that people that worshipped Trump and believed every word he said were disproportinately killed by covid I would like to see your data.I'm saying that his policies or lack thereof and his stupid attitude and avoidance of responsibility got hundreds of thousands of Americans needlessly killed.

I am saying that Barry or almost any other politician would've done better.

Period.

Why are you white knighting for him?

That's fucking stupid.

Quit being fucking stupid.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm saying that his policies or lack thereof and his stupid attitude and avoidance of responsibility got hundreds of thousands of Americans needlessy killed.

Why are you white knighting for him?

That's fucking stupid.

I'm not white knight in. I'm pointing out the flaws in your logic. If Trump set a bad value example then why weren't hard-core Trump supporters dropping like flies?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not white knight in. I'm pointing out the flaws in your logic. If Trump set a value example then why weren't hard-core Trump supporters dropping like flies?
https://media.giphy.com/media/L5jXcnbp2dkZi/giphy.gif

[DarrinS]

No.

Your Trump is a miserable failure and you voted for him again AFTER he failed.

That's just fucking stupid, Darrin.


You took a warp speed vaccine. :lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

https://media.giphy.com/media/L5jXcnbp2dkZi/giphy.gif

And you cheered that he died. Thats one.

You just can't admit your intellectual dishonesty.

I view all of thjs through pale purple glasses and you see the world through your shiny bright blue ones.

[ChumpDumper]

You took a warp speed vaccine. :lmaoDarrin, I've asked you this direct question three times before and each time you run away with your hair on fire.

What politician do you say would NOT have implemented a warp speed type vaccine program?

Please don't self-immolate again this time.

It's fucking stupid.

[ChumpDumper]

And you cheered that he died.Sorry, you're going to have to prove that with a quote.

Let's see your honesty here, CC.

Your claim that death of a supporter is the only possible consequence is dishonest and fucking stupid.

[CosmicCowboy]

Sorry, you're going to have to prove that with a quote.

Let's see your honesty here, CC.

Your claim that death is the only possible consequence is dishonest and fucking stupid.

Yawn. You wasted about three seconds throwing his picture up here. Go blue team!

[ChumpDumper]

Yawn. You wasted about three seconds throwing his picture up here. Go blue team!Where's your quote, CC?

You claim I cheered his death.

Are you not being honest?

[DarrinS]

Darrin, I've asked you this direct question three times before and each time you run away with your hair on fire.

What politician do you say would NOT have implemented a warp speed type vaccine program?

Please don't self-immolate again this time.

It's fucking stupid.


He's the politician who DID.

[ChumpDumper]

He's the politician who DID.You didn't answer the question, Darrin.

What politician do you say would NOT have implemented a warp speed type vaccine program?

Be honest.

CC is counting on you.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol look at the fucking backflips you idiots are STILL doing for Trump.

Why?

[DarrinS]

Lol


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Yep, entire family already vaccinated.

[ChumpDumper]

Lol


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Yep, entire family already vaccinated.I gave Trump credit for starting the vaccine program.

You'll never give Biden credit for accelerating it.

Why are you still doing backflips for Trump, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

Internet needs a new Godwin's law for bad orange man.

[ChumpDumper]

Internet needs a new Godwin's law for bad orange man.You didn't answer the question, Darrin.

What politician do you say would NOT have implemented a warp speed type vaccine program?

[DarrinS]

You didn't answer the question, Darrin.

What politician do you say would NOT have implemented a warp speed type vaccine program?

Your negative hypothetical question is stupid.

[DarrinS]

Internet needs a new Godwin's law for bad orange man.

Drumpf's Law?

[ChumpDumper]

Your negative hypothetical question is stupid.Just say you can't think of one, Darrin.

I can't either.

It would be fucking stupid to not start a vaccine program.

Thanks for agreeing with me.:tu

[DarrinS]

Just say you can't think of one, Darrin.

I can't either.

It would be fucking stupid to not start a vaccine program.

Thanks for agreeing with me.:tu


You also got two large checks from bad orange man. Biden gave you $1400. I didn't get that one.

[ChumpDumper]

You also got two large checks from bad orange man. Biden gave you $1400. I didn't get that one.I got stimulus checks from neither, Darrin.

Why do you feel the need to defend Trump, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

I got stimulus checks from neither, Darrin.


:lmao. Bullshit

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao. Bullshit
Sorry I have destroyed every projected narrative you tried to create about me, Darrin.

Why do you need to put yourself through all this to defend Trump, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

Sorry I have destroyed every projected narrative you tried to create about me, Darrin.

Why do you need to put yourself through all this to defend Trump, Darrin?

I do agree, you're quite the keyboard warrior. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

I do agree, you're quite the keyboard warrior. :lmaoYou're the one trying to attack with your keyboard, Darrin.

Why do you need to put yourself through all this to defend Trump, Darrin?

[baseline bum]

So the President is responsible for anyone that dies of covid? Oh, thats right...only if they are from the OTHER party.

He's responsible for not doing anything about COVID for a couple of months other than cutting off some travel from China and telling his party to sell off their stocks. He's responsible for poisoning mask usage for 30%+ of the nation.

[baseline bum]

Lol


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Yep, entire family already vaccinated.

Biden implemented the DPA to speed vaccine production, which Trump didn't. Health experts didn't know Trump wouldn't be president in 2021 back in September; they could only hope.

[Adam Lambert]

Trump wasn't videoed smoking crack with a hooker between term one, then jail, and term two. DC residents haven't shown they are very responsible with voting.

Like Trump doesn't have any experience with cocaine and hookers. Give me a fucking break. You'd vote for a Republican Marion Barry in a second. You already have.

[Winehole23]

Trump wasn't videoed smoking crack with a hooker between term one, then jail, and term two. DC residents haven't shown they are very responsible with voting.
"Blacks aren't capable of self governance."