Spurs without Demar Derozan

[MultiTroll]

Spurs 109 Pistons 99

Spurs were up 20 entering the 4th. Granted, it's the Pistions.
Still, after the ass handing by the 76ers (134 - 99) i figure let's take a look at the Young Core without DD on a larger sample size then 1 game.

If DDs back for the rest of the season......guess this thread will fizz out.

Back to the Core, is it a case of Spurs can't score without DDs presence
or
Core Development will happen as with todays romp over the Pistons?

[Dejounte]

The way the pendulum swings on this site. Holy shit :lmao

[Mr. Body]

They were absolutely trashed without DeRozan last night, worst loss in franchise history (regular season).

[murpjf88]

They were absolutely trashed without DeRozan last night, worst loss in franchise history (regular season).
They would have gotten trashed with DeRozan last night. DD doesn't play defense.

[Mr. Body]

They would have gotten trashed with DeRozan last night. DD doesn't play defense.

Literally don't know, do we? Clearly the team was adrift without him.

[pad300]

They were absolutely trashed without DeRozan last night, worst loss in franchise history (regular season).

That was apparently an announcers' error. Apparently it was only our worst ever loss to the Sixers...

[KobesAchilles]

I mean I wish they moved us back to the eastern conference. I mean Duncan would have like 10 finals appearances if they didn’t screw us over that way. Also fuck fuck the Bullets.

And to answer OPs question: we are without a doubt better than the Detroit Pistons without Demar DeRozan. Agree on all accounts when it comes to that statement

[BlackAndWhite]

The Pistons is one of the worst teams in the league. I don't think tonight's performance will translate to more competent teams

[Seventyniner]

That was apparently an announcers' error. Apparently it was only our worst ever loss to the Sixers...

A far cry from the 51-point annihilation the Spurs put on them in Philly when the crowd was cheering for Boban.

cTRqi0CKCTU

[DAF86]

The Spurs are 2-1 without DeRozan and Aldridge so far this season. Clearly a small sample size but it looks like the Spurs won't just roll over and die without their "stars", as many folks suggested before the season.

[GAustex]

My opinion for there is that
DDR and the Spurs aint gonna be all that. Plus DDR aint worth the $$ he thinks he deserves.
Go our own way without DDR. See what the young ones can do. Use DDR (and LMA) money to stock up on good young talent.
Need 6'8 to 6-10 dues who can run jump and defend and extra points for being able to hit a open shot.
FWIW

[spurs1990]

They were absolutely trashed without DeRozan last night, worst loss in franchise history (regular season).

In Derozan's first season here they were blown out by almost 40 points (https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201811280MIN.html) by the Timberwolves. Spurs lost the next game by 31, and then by 34 two games later.
I know he's got a strong contingent of supporters but he's fully capable of contributing to historic blowout losses.

He's a very good offensive player but even with him they'd have loss by 20 to Philly.

[Larry O]

Tonight on News 4 SA, Don Harris reported this bit of news about DDR and the matter of the Spurs trading him vs resigning him. This is a report from Hoops Hype with Chris Haynes reporting: "The San Antonio Spurs are not actively engaged in seeking out a trade for their best player, but that could change if both sides don’t work out an in-season extension leading up to the trade deadline. There is currently no dialogue on an extension, sources said." 9 hours ago – via Chris Haynes @ Yahoo! Sports
This is definitely something to keep an eye on in the next coming days, but how convenient that DDR is currently away from the team right now. Hmmm... I'm just sayin'. :)

[BatManu20]

Pistons are projected to get a Top-3 pick for a reason.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

The Spurs are 2-1 without DeRozan and Aldridge so far this season. Clearly a small sample size but it looks like the Spurs won't just roll over and die without their "stars", as many folks suggested before the season.


against two of the worst teams in the league

[Dennis the Menace]

Pistons are projected to get a Top-3 pick for a reason.


Wish we were in their position

[Dverde]

The way the pendulum swings on this site. Holy shit :lmao

Luka went from unplayable bust to a cornerstone over some above average defense against the Knicks.

[DAF86]

against two of the worst teams in the league

Folks were saying the Spurs would be among those teams without DeRozan and Aldridge and we are beating those teams by 20+ without them. Also, it's not like the Spurs haven't lost to some of the worst teams in the league with DD and LA.

[bluebellmaniac]

Tonight on News 4 SA, Don Harris reported this bit of news about DDR and the matter of the Spurs trading him vs resigning him. This is a report from Hoops Hype with Chris Haynes reporting: "The San Antonio Spurs are not actively engaged in seeking out a trade for their best player, but that could change if both sides don’t work out an in-season extension leading up to the trade deadline. There is currently no dialogue on an extension, sources said." 9 hours ago – via Chris Haynes @ Yahoo! Sports
This is definitely something to keep an eye on in the next coming days, but how convenient that DDR is currently away from the team right now. Hmmm... I'm just sayin'. :)

Convenient that his dad died?

WTF?!

[duncan2k5]

My Take... DDR isn't good enough to lead any team as it's first or second best player to a ring... He is making 32 this year... His playstyle hampers growth because he can't play off ball... This he turns everyone into jumoshooters when he has the ball because his only option is to drive or post up... It's like the lebron effect... Bosh and Love were great all round players, but because lebron wasn't that much of a perimeter threat and was more focused on holding the ball and driving, he turned them into less rounded versions of their previous selves...

We won't contend with the few years DDR has left until he starts to become unplayable (I'm guessing around 35)... Sell now while we can get value, focus on building what youth we have like the warriors did... Forcing something with DDR is a dead end road

[8FOR!3]

We just lack star power without DeRozan. Yeah, Murray is definitely getting there and can put up numbers as a #1 option but he's not going to command the opposing defense's attention like DeRozan does just yet. With DeRozan out you need everyone to play good or someone to have a huge game (Murray/White/Keldon) but the odds of that happening night in and night out are kinda slim. The team is fine and they're continuing to improve, but DeRozan is definitely a big reason why they're gelling so well bc he can score and create.

[John B]

Demar is the only Spur who can consistently get points at will. If Spurs make it to the playoffs, they would need that when plays slow down to each possession. The problem is consistent defense, and that’s Pop trying to play Patty and Rudy long stretches and Patty even closing some games. If Pop concentrate on making this a solid defensive team with his long guards and mobile bigs, I think Demar go to offense can really shine.

[duncan2k5]

Not all star power is good for the long term growth of the team... Westbrook is a star... But most would agree he isn't good for a team... Same with Melo when he was in his prime... Simply keeping a star just to say you have a star isn't a good thing... The warriors didn't have a star for a long time... That's until their youth grew into stars... Same with the Bucks... Vassel was drafted before Giannis... Giannis was allowed to play consistently from day 1 and now he is a mega star... Jokic was drafted in the 2nd round... Nobody viewed him as a star... Denver had no stars until their young players grew into stars...they didn't need another star player on the team to help them grow... They grew into themselves by playing with each other for years

[spurs1990]

Plus let's not write the book on how this Spurs team will perform sans DeRozan. He's missed a handful of games this year so when he's out they have to adjust their play. That doesn't bode well for consistent results. For 2022, you'd expect the Spurs to have some contributing players that would take the DeRozan/Aldridge $40m salary block. Them along with this young core and Mills should compete solidly, imo.

[itzsoweezee]

Demar is the only Spur who can consistently get points at will. If Spurs make it to the playoffs, they would need that when plays slow down to each possession. The problem is consistent defense, and that’s Pop trying to play Patty and Rudy long stretches and Patty even closing some games. If Pop concentrate on making this a solid defensive team with his long guards and mobile bigs, I think Demar go to offense can really shine.

We’ve seen demar in the playoffs. It’s not pretty.

[Dverde]

Spurs have helped Demar. He isn’t a choker like before. Still can’t carry a team, but at least he shows up.

[poopbox]

Short term this team would take a step back without Derozan but long term the team has a higher ceiling getting 48 minutes out of a legit stretch 4, which isn't Derozan.

Sometimes you got to take a step backwards to take a step forward. Sometimes you forget your car keys and have to go back into the house to get them...

[duncan2k5]

Spurs have helped Demar. He isn’t a choker like before. Still can’t carry a team, but at least he shows up.

How do we know? He couldn't even make the playoffs last year in a weak west...even the thunder made the 6th seed with a washed up chris paul leading them

[duncan2k5]

We’ve seen demar in the playoffs. It’s not pretty.

At all!

https://albumizr.com/a/9Bli

[FkLA]

Team would be bottom feeders without DeStar. I like the youth but it's clear than not one of them is even close to being ready to carry an offense the way DD can, tbh.

[itzsoweezee]

Team would be bottom feeders without DeStar. I like the youth but it's clear than not one of them is even close to being ready to carry an offense the way DD can, tbh.

L o LLLL

[8sy21vd]

IMO Demar is a supremely talented offensive player and playmaker but his inability to stretch the floor and poor defense nearly offset his positives. Spurs are marginally better with him but the ceiling is still the same-1st round fodder for a contender. They should have either extended him already or traded him by this point. Leaving things in neutral or purgatory isn't helpful but the Spurs seem to love that passive "less is more" approach. I would like to see the Spurs move on from Derozan and embrace the younger core.

[DAF86]

3-1 without DeRozan and Aldridge.

[DAF86]

IMO Demar is a supremely talented offensive player and playmaker but his inability to stretch the floor and poor defense nearly offset his positives. Spurs are marginally better with him but the ceiling is still the same-1st round fodder for a contender. They should have either extended him already or traded him by this point. Leaving things in neutral or purgatory isn't helpful but the Spurs seem to love that passive "less is more" approach. I would like to see the Spurs move on from Derozan and embrace the younger core.

The Spurs need to trade him already. Get a 1st rounder for him. Like you said, his absence will prove to have minimal impact (if any), and the upside could be huge if one (or more) of the young guys step up to be reliable primary options.

[Sugus]

The Spurs need to trade him already. Get a 1st rounder for him. Like you said, his absence will prove to have minimal impact (if any), and the upside could be huge if one (or more) of the young guys step up to be reliable primary options.

A really big thing about not having DeRozan, is that you can automatically move most of our young players down a position by adding a true PF, and elevate all of their games just by that change alone. Keldon would be feasting as a strong-built SF, and playing him with Vassell at SG alongside DJ will be a nightmare to opposing offenses. Luka looks like he could develop into that lengthy, perimeter-oriented 3&D PF we'd need, but it's gonna take some time. The hope is that DJ, Derrick, or even Lonnie keep growing to a level where they can, at least collectively, replace DeMar's offensive output... And they're not all that far, IMO.

[GAustex]

DDR is the one that forces Spurs to be small, Use his $$ and LMA's $ to get PFs and small centers who can run and jump and defend and maybe even shoot a bi. Keldon moves to the 3 where he should be and you have plenty of guards.

Turning over DDR and LMA into maybe 3 rotation big dudes and hope collectively the Spurs catch lighting in a bottle AND END UP BEING SOMETHING

[RC_Drunkford]

DeMar is the HOTS right now. The problem is that if you keep him you'd have to move one of the young guys. With White and Murray starting and splitting PG duties with the bench you can't bring all of Lonnie, Vassell and Keldon off the bench, plus Samanic should be the PF for the 2nd unit next season. I wouldn't want to move any of them to be honest. All this team needs is a starting PF and a back up C

[DAF86]

Trade DeRozan, Aldridge, Gay and Patty. Get at least one PF, one SF, and one C through the trades/draft/free agency.

Murray
Vassell
Keldon
PF
Poeltl

White
Walker
SF
Samanic
C

It would be fun to watch this young team fight for a playoffs spot while improving on the fly to who knows what heights.

[GAustex]

Trade DeRozan, Aldridge, Gay and Patty. Get at least one PF, one SF, and one C through the trades/draft/free agency.

Murray
Vassell
Keldon
PF
Poeltl

White
Walker
SF
Samanic
C

It would be fun to watch this young team fight for a playoffs spot while improving on the fly to who knows what heights.
Ding ding ding
We have a winner

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

The Spurs need a star offensive talent on their roster. We've got great young players, but not really anyone who can do what DeRozan can do on offense. If you watch the amount of attention he draws from defenses, even when he's not scoring he ends up making the game easier for his teammates. There's very few players in this league who can do what Demar can inside the 3 point line.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Trade DeRozan, Aldridge, Gay and Patty. Get at least one PF, one SF, and one C through the trades/draft/free agency.

Murray
Vassell
Keldon
PF
Poeltl

White
Walker
SF
Samanic
C

It would be fun to watch this young team fight for a playoffs spot while improving on the fly to who knows what heights.


Patty is the guy they've entrusted with passing the "Spurs Way" on to the next generation. He'll end up retiring a Spur.

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs need a star offensive talent on their roster. We've got great young players, but not really anyone who can do what DeRozan can do on offense. If you watch the amount of attention he draws from defenses, even when he's not scoring he ends up making the game easier for his teammates. There's very few players in this league who can do what Demar can inside the 3 point line.

This guy gets it.

Imagine if we didn't have DDR and he was one of the few gets in the free agency market this summer. And he was suggesting a move to the Spurs would be attractive. This board would be losing their minds. Instead, as per the "Spurs fans shit all over Spurs players" corllary, everyone wants to dump him.

[MultiTroll]

The Pistons is one of the worst teams in the league. I don't think tonight's performance will translate to more competent teams
Following night:

Pistons 116 Raptors 112
The game before the Spurs, the Pistons took the Brooklyn Phaggots and led 91-90 with just over 2 minutes to go before losing by 5.

Just sayin.

Bottom line we need to play the Young Core vs the Better Teams.

[John B]

This guy gets it.

Imagine if we didn't have DDR and he was one of the few gets in the free agency market this summer. And he was suggesting a move to the Spurs would be attractive. This board would be losing their minds. Instead, as per the "Spurs fans shit all over Spurs players" corllary, everyone wants to dump him.

The Spurs would be lucky if Demar picked San Antonio. Aldridge had to decide between Spurs and Suns :lmao and because his kids go to school here.

[MultiTroll]

The Spurs would be lucky if Demar picked San Antonio. Aldridge had to decide between Spurs and Suns :lmao and because his kids go to school here.
Lamar "3rd Round once in his career with Nephew holding his hand" Aldridge.
And look what happened when Nephew was no longer able to hold.

BFD

[FkLA]

This guy gets it.

Imagine if we didn't have DDR and he was one of the few gets in the free agency market this summer. And he was suggesting a move to the Spurs would be attractive. This board would be losing their minds. Instead, as per the "Spurs fans shit all over Spurs players" corllary, everyone wants to dump him.

And if any of the young guys end up being a star on offense like DeMar is, it'd be widely celebrated. He's slept on by ST for sure. I think a lot of people's evaluation of him is still based on his TOR days, before he became more efficient and a great playmaker.

[DAF86]

This guy gets it.

Imagine if we didn't have DDR and he was one of the few gets in the free agency market this summer. And he was suggesting a move to the Spurs would be attractive. This board would be losing their minds. Instead, as per the "Spurs fans shit all over Spurs players" corllary, everyone wants to dump him.

lol no. It would happen exactly what happened when we heard we were trading for him. The folks that know what's up would be on the verge of suicide. :lol

[DAF86]

And if any of the young guys end up being a star on offense like DeMar is, it'd be widely celebrated. He's slept on by ST for sure. I think a lot of people's evaluation of him is still based on his TOR days, before he became more efficient and a great playmaker.

He was pretty efficient in Toronto too, tbh, but he's just an all around negative player whenever he doesn't have the ball. Can't play off ball and doesn't even try to defend.

What happened to mi hermano that knew Boris Diaw was better than David Lee? :(

[Saitam]

DDR is the only player who can convince a FA to hey here in 2022. Our young guns wont atract anyone outside this forum.

[Coach X]

The Spurs need a star offensive talent on their roster. We've got great young players, but not really anyone who can do what DeRozan can do on offense. If you watch the amount of attention he draws from defenses, even when he's not scoring he ends up making the game easier for his teammates. There's very few players in this league who can do what Demar can inside the 3 point line.
And I don't see Spurs signing any of them.


20-21 RS Without DDR: L @ Min, W @ OKC, L @ OKC, W vsORL, L @PHI, W @ DET, W @CHI Anybody watched these games could notice the huge impact DeRozan absence has on Spurs ofense. DDR leaves and Spurs offense will sink.

DeRozan is not amazing but he's better than anybody the Spurs could sign this summer. And this team has found a style and chemistry pivoting around him.

[FkLA]

He was pretty efficient in Toronto too, tbh, but he's just an all around negative player whenever he doesn't have the ball. Can't play off ball and doesn't even try to defend.

What happened to mi hermano that knew Boris Diaw was better than David Lee? :(

IDK bro I just find it hard to ignore how good of an offensive player he is. And it's not just PPG. His playmaking is a legitimate weapon. I think he has a combination of size, athleticism, and skill that very few players in the league have. He's a legitimate offensive star.

He's fragile mentally and he's not a Top 5 guy like Kawhi but he's still a really really good player. I always defend him because too many people act he has no value.

One of my arguments against Lee was that he was never talented or physically gifted enough to be more than a role player, despite his numbers and all-star season on a bad team. I think DeMar has the talent and physical gifts and that's valuable, imo.

[GAustex]

Going to have to pay too much for him
Prolly

[MultiTroll]

3-1 without DeRozan and Aldridge.
2-5 since DD got back.

Certainly not all 5 on DD. But why not develop Young Core?
Grandpa Sniffers. :lmao

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Can’t play D, can’t shoot stunting the growth of Walker and Vassell