We need Demar back stat

[KobesAchilles]

The casuals on here celebrating a win over the mighty Chicago Bulls is just unsightly. This isn’t MJ’s Bulls. Hell this isn’t even Derrick Rose’s Bulls and we are acting like this is a great victory. We should never have been down by 20+ in this game. It took Jakob Poeltl having the game of his life to secure this victory. I mean when you depend on a role player to give you 20 and 16 to defeat a bottom feeder of the Eastern Conference, that isn’t a good thing.

Most casuals will say that we are 3-1 without Demar. That he holds back the youth. They may even start a thread about their spidey senses tingling about a fantasy trade of Demar. But this is the easiest part of our schedule. We beat Orlando, Chicago (barely), and Detroit. And the one playoff team we faced, without the MVP of the league btw, we got our asses kicked. Make no mistake about it, if we play this way against the West’s best then we will lose.

Demar brings stability. He brings a calming presence to the court. He knows when to back off and when to turn it on. He is playing excellent ball this year. When Murray’s dribble dribble is off or Whites broken shot is still broken, having Demar will offset this. I hear people say, we never would have made that comeback with Demar. To which I reply we never would’ve been down 20 to the effing Bulls in the first place. If we have any shot of making the playoffs then we need Demar back and we need him back soon. Facts

[John B]

Demar’s offense plus the young cores’ defense give them a better fighting chance without a doubt. I just hope it has no negative effect on Lonnie when Demar returns, because somehow Lonnie has been playing better. And hopefully it doesn’t take away minutes from Vassell also. But yes, definitely Spurs need Demar’s offense and passing.

[DAF86]

The casuals on here celebrating a win over the mighty Chicago Bulls is just unsightly. This isn’t MJ’s Bulls. Hell this isn’t even Derrick Rose’s Bulls and we are acting like this is a great victory. We should never have been down by 20+ in this game. It took Jakob Poeltl having the game of his life to secure this victory. I mean when you depend on a role player to give you 20 and 16 to defeat a bottom feeder of the Eastern Conference, that isn’t a good thing.

Most casuals will say that we are 3-1 without Demar. That he holds back the youth. They may even start a thread about their spidey senses tingling about a fantasy trade of Demar. But this is the easiest part of our schedule. We beat Orlando, Chicago (barely), and Detroit. And the one playoff team we faced, without the MVP of the league btw, we got our asses kicked. Make no mistake about it, if we play this way against the West’s best then we will lose.

Demar brings stability. He brings a calming presence to the court. He knows when to back off and when to turn it on. He is playing excellent ball this year. When Murray’s dribble dribble is off or Whites broken shot is still broken, having Demar will offset this. I hear people say, we never would have made that comeback with Demar. To which I reply we never would’ve been down 20 to the effing Bulls in the first place. If we have any shot of making the playoffs then we need Demar back and we need him back soon. Facts

Dude, we will lose to the West's best with DeRozan too. :lol

What's the point of keeping DeRozan around? To be marginally better right now and maybe win a couple more games? What do we gain with that other than to waste the opportunity of getting something in return instead of losing him for nothing?

I would much rather trade him for a first round pick and a chance at getting another Vassell, Keldon, White or DJ. If we don't trade him now, we have almost no choice but to resign him (if he doesn't bail on us), at probably a steeper price, just to remain in mediocrity for a couple more years. Everybody should realize we are never getting out of this mediocrity with DeRozan as the top dog. We might get to second round here or there, but the ceiling is pretty much set with this guy. I don't understand some Spurs fans obsession with remaining on purgatory.

[slick'81]

Yup, spurs need their best player

[itzsoweezee]

Spurs’ ceiling with demar - first round fodder, at best

Spurs’ ceiling without demar - first round fodder, at best

I can’t wait for the Delmar era to end

[DAF86]

Question for the folks that want to keep DeMar: What do you think will happen if we keep him? Do you think we will somehow start contending for championships? Are you afraid we will miss the playoffs if we move him? If so, do you really think losing in the first round is so much better than not making it? I want to understand the reasoning behind wanting to keep a 32 flawed player that has already peaked, and that everybody knows will never be a lead on a contending team.

[Mr. Body]

The Bulls are just one loss behind the vaunted Celtics in the EC pecking order. They're not nearly as shitty as they used to be -- having a good coach in Billy Donovan helps.

But the team is struggling without DeRozan. Maybe they figure out how to fill in what is lost, or not.

[Mr. Body]

Question for the folks that want to keep DeMar: What do you think will happen if we keep him? Do you think we will somehow start contending for championships? Are you afraid we will miss the playoffs if we move him? If so, do you really think losing in the first round is so much better than not making it? I want to understand the reasoning behind wanting to keep a 32 flawed player that has already peaked, and that everybody knows will never be a lead on a contending team.

This isn't XBOX. Players learn from each other and develop and DDR is capable of doing many things the younger players can't. At least not yet.

[GreekSpursfan]

We need to be losing games is what we need, tf are we doing winning for a chance to go nowhere. Trade Demar and start losing more, this mediocrity needs to end at some point and it won't if we keep this 7th-8th seed bs.

[John B]

Question for the folks that want to keep DeMar: What do you think will happen if we keep him? Do you think we will somehow start contending for championships? Are you afraid we will miss the playoffs if we move him? If so, do you really think losing in the first round is so much better than not making it? I want to understand the reasoning behind wanting to keep a 32 flawed player that has already peaked, and that everybody knows will never be a lead on a contending team.

A Demar led team is not enough, but together with a 20/10 PF/C either through trade or FA, plus budding Star DJ, improved White, Lonnie, Keldon, Vassell, Luka and Co, this team will contend pass the 1st round next year.

[John B]

We need to be losing games is what we need, tf are we doing winning for a chance to go nowhere. Trade Demar and start losing more, this mediocrity needs to end at some point and it won't if we keep this 7th-8th seed bs.

Losing more to get a lottery pick? Unless it’s a generational talent like Timmy or DRob, it’s not going to make Spurs a contender overnight. Ask Philly, Cavs, Knicks with top picks year after year. And do you think it’s guaranteed they would stay when the team is losing? And you can bet the Spurs would lose plenty without a star, ask Sacramento. You think last year was ugly. I don’t think a small market San Antonio could afford it, much less the owner who would look for a greener pasteur. Be careful what you wish for. This team is only a 20/10 PF/C away from contending, but it would be difficult to attract that Star without a Demar.

[XDT76]

Our biggest issue now is to start the game strong and DDR doesn't seems to be the answer to that.

[NK123]

LeBron alone struggled to win with the Lakers.
Kawhi alone is struggling with the Clippers.
Harden alone struggled in Houston.
Luka alone struggled in Dallas.
Jokic alone struggled for Denver.
Why you expect Demar to win NBA series alone?

The Spurs need a tall, fast ad skilled PF capable of 17pts/8rbs per game.
The Spurs need more consistency from their role players and young guns.

[gambit1990]

Question for the folks that want to keep DeMar: What do you think will happen if we keep him? Do you think we will somehow start contending for championships? Are you afraid we will miss the playoffs if we move him? If so, do you really think losing in the first round is so much better than not making it? I want to understand the reasoning behind wanting to keep a 32 flawed player that has already peaked, and that everybody knows will never be a lead on a contending team.
you have to stop thinking that everyone here is as logical as you or i.

spurtalk is just interested in winning games. ST doesn't really care about the future tbh.

[Mr. Body]

We need to be losing games is what we need, tf are we doing winning for a chance to go nowhere. Trade Demar and start losing more, this mediocrity needs to end at some point and it won't if we keep this 7th-8th seed bs.

It's been said many times, tanking brings a losing culture and can be hard to overcome, especially for a franchise that struggles bringing in FAs.

[K...]

If we let deroz go, we could use the money to address the imbalance in the roster and sign cheaper vets. But knowing San antonio, if deroz wants to return he's probably the best free agent we could get. Extending him and then trading him is a win win, deroz gets his contact and SA gets to move on on it's own terms. Even if the spurs lose a first to dump deroz at next year's deadline i think it might be best idea.

[The Truth #6]

Question for the folks that want to keep DeMar: What do you think will happen if we keep him? Do you think we will somehow start contending for championships? Are you afraid we will miss the playoffs if we move him? If so, do you really think losing in the first round is so much better than not making it? I want to understand the reasoning behind wanting to keep a 32 flawed player that has already peaked, and that everybody knows will never be a lead on a contending team.

Overall, I agree with this. The team without DDR isn’t going to suddenly tank. They won’t be great with him. To add a PF and become a contender? That would need to be a HOF talent. You don’t get to the Finals w/o HOF talent in my opinion, at least in the WC. The East is another story.

I have a higher opinion of DDR now overall, but not to the point that I think he is a savior. We know what we have with him, which is good but not great. I think we have to roll the dice on our young players and let them develop and see if any of them become great, because I don’t see any other realistic scenario, other than luck in the draft or some miracle through free agency.

[DAF86]

A Demar led team is not enough, but together with a 20/10 PF/C either through trade or FA, plus budding Star DJ, improved White, Lonnie, Keldon, Vassell, Luka and Co, this team will contend pass the 1st round next year.

We had that in Aldridge and we missed the playoffs altogether.

[MultiTroll]

If we have any shot of making the playoffs then we need Demar back and we need him back soon. Facts
32-39 last year.
Missed playoffs.

Facts.

[exstatic]

32-39 last year.
Missed playoffs.

Facts.

Marco, gone
Forbes, gone

Five double digit runs over the last two games

Facts

[John B]

We had that in Aldridge and we missed the playoffs altogether.
We had Forbes/Belli <<<< budding Star DJ, improved White, Keldon, Vassell and Co. Come on. It’s not even close.

[MultiTroll]

Marco, gone
Forbes, gone

Five double digit runs over the last two games

Facts
Is this an admission by you that CIA Pop made below poor decisions?!

[DAF86]

We had Forbes/Belli <<<< budding Star DJ, improved White, Keldon, Vassell and Co. Come on. It’s not even close.

Let's say we get prime Aldridge on this current roster, do you really think we would improve to contender status? I don't see it at all.

[John B]

Let's say we get prime Aldridge on this current roster, do you really think we would improve to contender status? I don't see it at all.
Prime Aldridge was 23 pts 11 rebs. Yes, are you kidding me? With our current roster, we get to the Finals with that.

[MultiTroll]

Prime Aldridge was 23 pts 11 rebs. Yes, are you kidding me? With our current roster, we get to the Finals with that.
:lmao

[DAF86]

Prime Aldridge was 23 pts 11 rebs. Yes, are you kidding me? With our current roster, we get to the Finals with that.

Really? You think a DeRozan, Aldridge lead team would make it to the NBA finals in the West? :lol Well, I guess that's why some people want to keep DeMar.

Basketball isn't as easy as adding 23 pts, 11 rbds and saying will win it all. It doesn't work thag way. You have to see how the team gels together.

DeRozan and Aldridge are extremely flawed players that don't elevate the games of those around them, I just don't see how they would take us to the finals.

[slick'81]

Really? You think a DeRozan, Aldridge lead team would make it to the NBA finals in the West? :lol Well, I guess that's why some people want to keep DeMar.

Basketball isn't as easy as adding 23 pts, 11 rbds and saying will win it all. It doesn't work thag way. You have to see how the team gels together.

DeRozan and Aldridge are extremely flawed players that don't elevate the games of those around them, I just don't see how they would take us to the finals.


Derozan hasnt and wont lead anyone to the finals but it seems were stuck with him. Wonder how much $$ spurs throw at him to stay?

[KobesAchilles]

:lol casuals
Whats the point of making the playoffs if we lose :cry

People forget this shit is a business and you don’t want to continually miss the playoffs. That hurts your bottom line. Spurs make a boatload (pre-pandemic) from each home playoff game. It all belongs to the organization too.

People complained about IGs contract or Whites but we got lucky. If we were a shitty organization like the Wolves or the Kings we would have to max these guys in order to stay. But we have a strong culture and veteran leadership (which Demar is a big part of) and that’s why we didn’t pay White a Wiggins or a Barnes contract.

Say what you want about Demar (oh we barely make the playoffs with him) but the younger guys respect and listen to him. And he hasn’t whined about being here once. Hell if we replaced LMA and his 24 million with a decent big man we would probably have home court right now btw. But let’s all shit on the leader of our team.

[DAF86]

:lol casuals
Whats the point of making the playoffs if we lose :cry

People forget this shit is a business and you don’t want to continually miss the playoffs. That hurts your bottom line. Spurs make a boatload (pre-pandemic) from each home playoff game. It all belongs to the organization too.

People complained about IGs contract or Whites but we got lucky. If we were a shitty organization like the Wolves or the Kings we would have to max these guys in order to stay. But we have a strong culture and veteran leadership (which Demar is a big part of) and that’s why we didn’t pay White a Wiggins or a Barnes contract.

Say what you want about Demar (oh we barely make the playoffs with him) but the younger guys respect and listen to him. And he hasn’t whined about being here once. Hell if we replaced LMA and his 24 million with a decent big man we would probably have home court right now btw. But let’s all shit on the leader of our team.

And whose to say we don't make the playoffs without DeRozan? I remember at the begining of the season when folks were saying we wouldn't do shit without DeRozan and Aldridge. We are currently 3-1 without them.

[KayBee]

:lol casuals
Whats the point of making the playoffs if we lose :cry

People forget this shit is a business and you don’t want to continually miss the playoffs. That hurts your bottom line. Spurs make a boatload (pre-pandemic) from each home playoff game. It all belongs to the organization too.

People complained about IGs contract or Whites but we got lucky. If we were a shitty organization like the Wolves or the Kings we would have to max these guys in order to stay. But we have a strong culture and veteran leadership (which Demar is a big part of) and that’s why we didn’t pay White a Wiggins or a Barnes contract.

Say what you want about Demar (oh we barely make the playoffs with him) but the younger guys respect and listen to him. And he hasn’t whined about being here once. Hell if we replaced LMA and his 24 million with a decent big man we would probably have home court right now btw. But let’s all shit on the leader of our team.

This. So much this.

[spurs1990]

I have a higher opinion of DDR now overall, but not to the point that I think he is a savior. We know what we have with him, which is good but not great. I think we have to roll the dice on our young players and let them develop and see if any of them become great, because I don’t see any other realistic scenario, other than luck in the draft or some miracle through free agency.

This is the most objective viewpoint for those of us on Team No-DeRozan to present to his many fans online.
You don't have to sell-out to bring back the type of player he is. If he's asking for a significant contract that the Spurs wouldn't even consider (which judging by his current limbo status must be the case), the team's gotta shake his hand and move on.

IMO he's no better than a Westbrick or a John Wall. ...Does lots of good things but nothing great to justify giving him the contract he wants, and most likely will get in FA.

I don't buy him leaving as hurting the team's ability to attract talent. The Raptors benched him in a playoff series vs Cleveland his last year, and traded him like a year after his last extension. They still fared pretty well when they moved on.
I'm not gonna be distraught if they re-sign him.... I would just root for one of Murray, White, Walker to improve enough to be the 1A player, with DeRozan as 1B for the next 3-4 years of him being here.

[GAustex]

DDR thinks he should be a leader but he can’t and never has

[duncan2k5]

Dude, we will lose to the West's best with DeRozan too. :lol

What's the point of keeping DeRozan around? To be marginally better right now and maybe win a couple more games? What do we gain with that other than to waste the opportunity of getting something in return instead of losing him for nothing?

I would much rather trade him for a first round pick and a chance at getting another Vassell, Keldon, White or DJ. If we don't trade him now, we have almost no choice but to resign him (if he doesn't bail on us), at probably a steeper price, just to remain in mediocrity for a couple more years. Everybody should realize we are never getting out of this mediocrity with DeRozan as the top dog. We might get to second round here or there, but the ceiling is pretty much set with this guy. I don't understand some Spurs fans obsession with remaining on purgatory.

Finally someone with some fucking basketball sense

[duncan2k5]

It's been said many times, tanking brings a losing culture and can be hard to overcome, especially for a franchise that struggles bringing in FAs.

The warriors weren't tanking when they were missing the playoffs...and the players they were building up definitely don't have a losing mentality... Derozan keeps us mediocre to bad the rest of his good years (if he doesn't bail)...

[The Truth #6]

The Spurs don't have a tanking mentality so that is not going to happen. We have too many good young players to tank for one thing and Pop will never go that route. And I don't see a new coach next year, perhaps Becky, want to start their career by purposefully wanting to lose games. I will say that when Pop was playing Forbes and Marco I know he thought he was trying to win, but that was way closer to tanking than our current team without LMA and DDR.

People think that by not having a lot of veterans, then you are tanking. Well, if you're veterans suck, and are worse than your younger players, and eat up too many minutes, then what does that do for you? I'm all for vets, but affordable ones that are happy to mentor and not get in the way of younger, more talented players. This is going way back, but like when they signed Caldwell Jones to mentor rookie David Robinson. A presence in the locker room, ideally a fiery one, that is the type of veteran I think this team needs. Patty is sort of like that but is in a contract year so he's playing for a contract first and be a team player second. I digress but, no the Spurs are not tanking.

[KobesAchilles]

And whose to say we don't make the playoffs without DeRozan? I remember at the begining of the season when folks were saying we wouldn't do shit without DeRozan and Aldridge. We are currently 3-1 without them.
We can’t always play CHI, DET, and ORL. A man can dream but unfortunately they moved us out west in like 80? I’m not actually sure.

[DAF86]

We can’t always play CHI, DET, and ORL. A man can dream but unfortunately they moved us out west in like 80? I’m not actually sure.

As if we are beating any team worth a shit with DeRozan. :lol

[K...]

people like to say we're a scoring big away from contention. But having deroz and a scoring big? That's even better. I get that maybe free agency brings a hope in the space left from Deroz but it's not likely. Expect more Carrols.

But resigning Dero and throwing a young player and two firsts for your dream big is a good idea. It's one thing to trade to old expiring players. If the spurs really want to buy the option is there.

[illusioNtEk]

Everyone acting like it's fucking easy to lead a team to a championship.... If DeRozan can't do it then who can?

[GreekSpursfan]

Losing more to get a lottery pick? Unless it’s a generational talent like Timmy or DRob, it’s not going to make Spurs a contender overnight. Ask Philly, Cavs, Knicks with top picks year after year. And do you think it’s guaranteed they would stay when the team is losing? And you can bet the Spurs would lose plenty without a star, ask Sacramento. You think last year was ugly. I don’t think a small market San Antonio could afford it, much less the owner who would look for a greener pasteur. Be careful what you wish for. This team is only a 20/10 PF/C away from contending, but it would be difficult to attract that Star without a Demar.

First you have to get that talent for example Embiid then you have to wait for him to get experience and enter his prime, Philly is going through this period, we don't even have that guy, we're already entering a losing period because 7th-8th seed is losing and we are waaay behind Philly in terms of contenting. Its a process and we haven't even started that process.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

First you have to get that talent for example Embiid then you have to wait for him to get experience and enter his prime, Philly is going through this period, we don't even have that guy, we're already entering a losing period because 7th-8th seed is losing and we are waaay behind Philly in terms of contenting. Its a process and we haven't even started that process.

i get what you're saying but philly is a disaster

[John B]

First you have to get that talent for example Embiid then you have to wait for him to get experience and enter his prime, Philly is going through this period, we don't even have that guy, we're already entering a losing period because 7th-8th seed is losing and we are waaay behind Philly in terms of contenting. Its a process and we haven't even started that process.
Spurs are waaay behind Philly? They can’t even advance to the Finals, and how long have Philly be rebuilding? Spurs just missed 1 playoff after missing a franchise player, and already replaced with young athletic core, 4 expiring contracts which could afford us a 20/10 PF/C either through FA or trade. We don’t need to lose a lot of games bruh. You don’t want to be like the Kings fan :lol:lol:lol

[Gagnrath]

It's been said many times, tanking brings a losing culture and can be hard to overcome, especially for a franchise that struggles bringing in FAs.

When Pop became coach he tanked a year and even made D. Rob ride the bench with a sore back just to get some swimmer from the virgin islands in the draft. The draft pick was like only "technically" american waited until after his senior year to leave college and didn't have much of a three ball.

[GreekSpursfan]

Spurs are waaay behind Philly? They can’t even advance to the Finals, and how long have Philly be rebuilding? Spurs just missed 1 playoff after missing a franchise player, and already replaced with young athletic core, 4 expiring contracts which could afford us a 20/10 PF/C either through FA or trade. We don’t need to lose a lot of games bruh. You don’t want to be like the Kings fan :lol:lol:lol

Stop bringing the worst franchise run in sports to enhance your argument, its not working, we're talking about competent franchises which the Spurs are. Spurs are going nowhere with this core without a true A, you need that guy to win especially in the NBA. What is a true A, its someone who produces consistently. Don't expect Pistons 2004 to happen again any time soon and Philly is a contenter, they have a great shot at the ECF we have no shot, zero, nada, unless we are delusional into thinking we are. Watch how the next few years unfold if we keep going like this.

[itzsoweezee]

Stop bringing the worst franchise run in sports to enhance your argument, its not working, we're talking about competent franchises which the Spurs are. Spurs are going nowhere with this core without a true A, you need that guy to win especially in the NBA. What is a true A, its someone who produces consistently. Don't expect Pistons 2004 to happen again any time soon and Philly is a contenter, they have a great shot at the ECF we have no shot, zero, nada, unless we are delusional into thinking we are. Watch how the next few years unfold if we keep going like this.

It’s a lost cause, man. These people are completely delusional. They’ve learned nothing over the past 3 seasons.

They’re gassed up right now because the Spurs are currently in 7th place due to an extremely easy schedule.