What percentage of SpursTalk wants DeMar to remain a Spur after this season?

[Dejounte]

Let's settle this once and for all.

No need to state your case, as we've all seen it in 9999 other threads. Looking at you, duncan2k5 .

This is a simple poll to see how many posters are Team DeRozan and how many posters are Team No-DeRozan.

Personally, I've been 50-50 for a long time. But with a gun to my head? I am probably Team No-DeRozan.

Don't beat around the bush. Just CHOOSE! No excuses.

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[Joseph Kony]

really it's a hard question to answer because it comes down to the price and length of his contract. for another season at 20-25 mil? sure. for 4 years / 120 million? fuck no

[Dejounte]

really it's a hard question to answer because it comes down to the price and length of his contract. for another season at 20-25 mil? sure. for 4 years / 120 million? fuck no

No excuses, brah. You're either a ride or die bitch or not!

[mo7888]

For me, it's a simple poll but not a simple question... how much money? Or years are we talking about? Are we talking about letting him walk or trading him? If trading, then for what?

I'm ok with keeping him under certain scenarios and there are others where I'd rather move on..

[Fusternino]

For the right price, yes. I think there's an issue moving forward with constantly moving him and KJ to the 4 but to me this is more of a Pop coaching issue than anything real. Also, if he walks, who is really available to replace his production?

[Joseph Kony]

Then I'd go with no, since the Spurs likely would sign him for more than 1 season.

I would not mind him back next year because the FA class is trash this year. But 2022 looks to have a lot of solid players on the market to fill out the roster

[Dejounte]

For me, it's a simple poll but not a simple question... how much money? Or years are we talking about? Are we talking about letting him walk or trading him? If trading, then for what?

I'm ok with keeping him under certain scenarios and there are others where I'd rather move on..


For the right price, yes. I think there's an issue moving forward with constantly moving him and KJ to the 4 but to me this is more of a Pop coaching issue than anything real. Also, if he walks, who is really available to replace his production?

Y'all have commitment issues. If your girlfriend said she's leaving you if you don't propose to her, you can't respond by giving her excuses!

"Babe, yeah, I'll marry you but you have to stop snoring at night and we can't get a dog because I love my cat!"

[mo7888]

Y'all have commitment issues. If your girlfriend said she's leaving you if you don't propose to her, you can't respond by giving her excuses!

"Babe, yeah, I'll marry you but you have to stop snoring at night and we can't get a dog because I love my cat!"

Sure I can if I don't care if she leaves that much...

[Dejounte]

Sure I can if I don't care if she leaves that much...

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[Joseph Kony]

Comparing Derozan to your girlfriend is weird bro :lol one of those things directly impacts your daily life, the other is not really important in the grand scheme

[spurraider21]

would need to know the terms of his return

[Dejounte]

Comparing Derozan to your girlfriend is weird bro :lol one of those things directly impacts your daily life, the other is not really important in the grand scheme

Of course, I'm busting people's balls here. Nothing serious.

[spurraider21]

Comparing Derozan to your girlfriend is weird bro :lol one of those things directly impacts your daily life, the other is not really important in the grand scheme
WHY ARE YOU TOO PUSSY TO ANSWER BRO

:lol

[duncan2150]

i'm totally In. He makes the team better, the young guns can play with him in the roster. I have zero argument against him except if he wants a max contract.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

I don’t want him back. I’d rather vassell and walker get his minutes to develop even more.

[GAustex]

Let him go. He’s holding back the future

[GAustex]

And I admit he has been much Better this year

[BackHome]

All I know at this point the Spurs organization should know if they want him back and have the amount needed pretty much. If they don’t then they should be shopping his ass to what ever teams he is cool with so we don’t get screwed like we have with LMA. I will say this again loosing DEROZZ for nothing is an epic failure on this organization if it happens they HAVE to get something for him they just can’t let him walk for nothing

[Jsmythe]

I voted NO because re-signing him now will lead to giving him a loyalty contract in the future (think Pau Gasol). He does make the Spurs better, but it's better to cut ties now before he starts to decline. The Spurs always seem to hang on to (and overpay) over-the-hill players for way too long.

[RC_Drunkford]

He's the HOTS right now, so I'm voting yes. Although as other posters said, it highly depends on for how long and how much money. 2 years for under 30 million would be ideal. 4 years? No

And there's really no better FA than him available, so might as well ride it out until Lonnie can take on his role

[PrimeMinister]

No

Take Timelord+Picks from Danny Ainge in the summer when he offers a 4 year deal centered around a sign and trade using their TPE

[Seventyniner]

I'd take him on a 2-year deal with the idea of lining up as much cap space as possible in 2023. DDR wouldn't sign a 2-year deal, though, so I'll have to go with no.

This isn't a hard commit, though. With the right use of the rest of the 2021 cap space, plus a full offseason for the young players to improve even more, DDR would have a definite place as a 1B or 2A on what could very well be a mid playoff seed Spurs next year.

[PhantomDashCam]

It’s a no from me dawg...or is that die?

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[Joseph Kony]

WHY ARE YOU TOO PUSSY TO ANSWER BRO

:lol

Fr :lol

[spurraider21]

he certainly raises the team's floor by a considerable amount, at least he does right now. i still believe he keeps the ceiling lower down the road.

might be irresponsible to shoot for the moon if you can maintain stability. but like i said up above, it depends on the terms of his return. how many years, how much money.

[widowmaker]

If the spurs can get a PF that can consistently stretch the floor then yes.

[KingKev]

No excuses, brah. You're either a ride or die bitch or not!

haha i like it. I vote nah. Respect him but time to move on. Byeeee

[paperboy77]

I say let’s roll w/DD. After that I think were one piece away from being top tier. Surely we can add someone this summer. I don’t see any of our young guys becoming a go to guy any time soon.

[DAF86]

A lot of talk about whether or not we want the DeRozan back, but does he want the Spurs back? I will laugh my ass off if we don't trade him and he signs anywhere else. :lol

[Dejounte]

It’s a no from me dawg...or is that die?

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[poopbox]

Team has a higher ceiling with a natural stretch 4 and they need to pursue that instead of keeping Demar.

You know how many teams have won a title with a 2 guard playing power forward ? Me neither

[K...]

If the spurs can get a PF that can consistently stretch the floor then yes.

I don't think we do. I think the choice is to overpay deroz, pray for Collins, or overpay rudy gay and mills to short deals and punt to next year. I don't like praying for players without attaching names. Half the teams in the league want the super athletic , tall, curry shooting big. They aren't common.

[Prime BEEF]

A lot of talk about whether or not we want the DeRozan back, but does he want the Spurs back? I will laugh my ass off if we don't trade him and he signs anywhere else. :lol
Very good point. He might not want to remain in SA. And the FA class is bad this summer. So he should have a decent number of teams talking to him

[BackHome]

Yeah Demar is not going to sign with us he will either end up on West Coast or East Coast - At this point Spurs should now if they going to want to keep him or go in another direction which is fine but for Gods sake if you don’t have plans for him then get a damn trade done.

[spurs1990]

Is there a way to see who's voting what? I wanna know who are my fellow No-Derozanites. I thought there was only like 5 or 6 of us lol count's up to 22 now

[Mugen]

No thanks.

[Dverde]

It’s impossible to let him decline and buy him out if we don’t re-sign him. It’s the Spurs way. Gotta give him that partial guaranteed fourth year!

[PrimeMinister]

Knicks have space... OKC has space... Chicago could have space but will have Lauri’s RFA to contend with.

then there’s a few a teams that have close to max but not quite max space like Miami and Dallas. Miami has a better player with a similar skillset in Jimmy butler, I suppose I could see Dallas making a run at him but would need to clear space to do so.

Good chance Spurs can offer over 2 years what most teams can offer over 3 or 4 with their available space. Knicks are a factor to be sure, as is Chicago if they see a pairing with Lavine that makes sense. Outside of that- there’s not a whole lot of contenders to offer Demar the 4 year max dollar commitment he might be looking for. A lotta moving parts to this.

for the spurs- a 2 year ~70 million dollar deal locks in a solid leader without long term dollars and makes sense in the timeframe of their youth development. Dallas for example with its ~23 million available without making cap clearing moves could only offer 70 million over the course of 3 years. So while there’s teams who might really want derozan, the money probably isn’t liquid enough to do so here.

Enter for me Danny Ainge and his TPE that he desperately needs to do something with in order to not look like he’s caught holding the Gordon Hayward bag with nothing to show for it. The pressure is on from the Celtic fanbase, and with it looking like the TPE won’t be a factor this deadline- it stands to reason its in play to chase the best FA on the market this summer, Demar. Use that pressure on Ainge to take him to the cleaners and set this franchise up with a young backup center and some picks. Everyone happy until Celtic fans realize they are paying 70 million a year to kemba Walker and Demar derozan.

If the Knicks throw 4 year max money at him you let him ride. There’s your nuanced, long answer. I’m gonna say it’s a no to keeping him overall unless a very specific set of circumstances presents itself.

[KobesAchilles]

Mainly bc I’m off team Lonnie

[John B]

The Ayes have it. Derozan stays :lol

[diego]

I wouldnt mind seeing him back on a friendly contract, but rather get a pick or prospect for him, even with his flaws losing him in FA would hurt

[PrimeMinister]

There's Keldon, Lonnie, Vassell, and Luka with contract years in the coming seasons that will be immediately impacted by the decisions that are made this summer

You can see a scenario where if Demar walks money can be afforded to keep most or all 4 of them

If Demar is retained at a 4 year deal not only do you lose the chance of having competitive money in a giant 2023 FA class, but one or more of that young group of players is going to have to be shipped out or walk. Keep in mind max dollars for a long term veteran like Demar coming off a large contract is going to take up a larger % of the cap in coming seasons than a (worst case scenario financially) max or close to max deal for players like Keldon, Vassell, Lonnie, or whoever else looks to be worthy near decision time.

Sign and trade to Boston is the ideal outcome. Walking to New York or Chicago is the likely outcome.

[Dejounte]

There's Keldon, Lonnie, Vassell, and Luka with contract years in the coming seasons that will be immediately impacted by the decisions that are made this summer

You can see a scenario where if Demar walks money can be afforded to keep most or all 4 of them

If Demar is retained at a 4 year deal not only do you lose the chance of having competitive money in a giant 2023 FA class, but one or more of that young group of players is going to have to be shipped out or walk. Keep in mind max dollars for a long term veteran like Demar coming off a large contract is going to take up a larger % of the cap in coming seasons than a (worst case scenario financially) max or close to max deal for players like Keldon, Vassell, Lonnie, or whoever else looks to be worthy near decision time.

Sign and trade to Boston is the ideal outcome. Walking to New York or Chicago is the likely outcome.

If you keep DeMar on a four year deal, as you described here, it'll be a very similar situation to what the Hawks have now with John Collins (with Lonnie or Keldon being John). The Hawks have an opportunity to get assets for him, and they have enough depth to replace him should he walk. It's not exactly a bad place to be in.

Just playing devil's advocate here.

[south side spur]

I’m a DeRozan fan but I say no. Like some have mentioned the kids need playing time. Vassell is a better defender and shooter. KJ is a better defender. I’d rather have Luka playing the 4. It’s a tough decision but he’s taking minutes from the future and the Spurs might as well use that money to sign Lonnie and KJ. I’ll still be rooting for DeRozan until then and even if he re-signs I’m good. One thing I am tired of is DeRozan being the exclusive closer and watching him dribble down killing the clock. Just run the damn offense. That’s on Pop though. Murray or White should have the ball down the stretch it’s been past that time already.

[Dejounte]

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The poll results...

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

voted yes because he's due for that game 7 OT buzzer beater

[Spurtacular]

I am shocked that half want this guy around. What do you think you're getting out of it? SMH.

[Sugus]

I'm staying true to my original thoughts, and go with NO. In a scenario where none of the young players turn out to be centerpieces/stars, DeMar's just delaying the inevitable (and maybe needed) real tank. And in a scenario where one of the youngings is poised to break out, IMO, DeRozan isn't there - he takes away too many touches and especially 4th quarter opportunities for the youngings to develop. People say the Spurs wouldn't have gone down 23 against the Bulls last game (bullshit, they've lost worse with him), but the real thing is that they wouldn't have come back to win it with him. Or rather, DD might've hard-carried them to a close game that they might've won, but none of the youngings would've learnt a thing from it. Having them do the struggling, and also the figuring out and winning, is of utmost importance to their development, and DD's presence hinders it.

It's true that no one on the Spurs currently demands as much defensive attention as DeMar, and that he makes the game easier for his teammates. But the way I see it, he's not gonna be around by the time this core of players is ready to contend - so they might as well get to experience "full pressure" of having to carry the team on their shoulders as soon as possible. Along this way, we'll also have an easier time seeing who should stick, and who shouldn't, since we're unlikely to keep all of these players on the team + all of our draft picks to come.

Bye Felicia... Hopefully that Boston S&T materializes for us. Makes too much sense.

[rastaspur]

Only if they sign him at an absolute steal.

If resigned at 2 years @ 15 mil per. Otherwise, I'm good with him walking.

He's still a beta and ineffective once playoff time rolls around. That's not changing.

[Uriel]

DeRozan is a good player who, when he’s on, makes the team better. That said, I’m all in on the youth movement going forward. That means saying adios to Rudy Gay, Patty Mills, and all the rest of them too in the off-season.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Keep him. You need a superstar to win in this league and right now DeRozan is the only star we have. That being said the only players I don’t want back next year are Lyles, Weatherspoon and maybe Gay.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

No ring with him. No ring without him. Let him go. I don't care if the FA class is bad next year. The Spurs need to see what these young guys can actually do, Derozan is only going to eat minutes. If the Spurs miss the playoffs next year, so be it. Get a better pick. Have maximum cap space for 2022.

[tim_duncan_fan]

It's tough. I really feel like we need to rip the band-aid. We need a couple top 10 picks.

This being first round fodder/low lottery stuff is detrimental to the long-term future.

[tbdog]

It's true that no one on the Spurs currently demands as much defensive attention as DeMar, and that he makes the game easier for his teammates. But the way I see it, he's not gonna be around by the time this core of players is ready to contend - so they might as well get to experience "full pressure" of having to carry the team on their shoulders as soon as possible. Along this way, we'll also have an easier time seeing who should stick, and who shouldn't, since we're unlikely to keep all of these players on the team + all of our draft picks to come.

That's not how rebuilding, building, and player progression works. You don't throw in a child and say swim. Bad habits and losing culture is the likely destination of your idea of this team. You could clearly argue that those young players would be a step behind without players like DDR in the team.

[tbdog]

No ring with him. No ring without him. Let him go. I don't care if the FA class is bad next year. The Spurs need to see what these young guys can actually do, Derozan is only going to eat minutes. If the Spurs miss the playoffs next year, so be it. Get a better pick. Have maximum cap space for 2022.

Have max cap space for 2022 so the Spurs can sign a player that's likely worse than DDR?

[Fireball]

wow, my vote just broke the tie ... I am not a Demar hater and I think he makes our offense much much better. He could take a few more threes, but its just not what he is looking for. But his playmaking is All-Star worthy. I just don't like that in clutch situations it has to be him and nobody else.

Why no? Lets ride a young team and use the money for a shooting big with some defensive skills.

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Extend him to a 2 year deal.

He’s the best closer on our team by a landslide and the young guys will get better playing with him

No brainer IMO that we keep Demar but not for more than 2 years

[tbdog]

Extend him to a 2 year deal.

He’s the best closer on our team by a landslide and the young guys will get better playing with him

No brainer IMO that we keep Demar but not for more than 2 years

I agree. But he will want 3. Maybe we might see one of the weird guaranteed money in the 3rd year type of deals.

[The Truth #6]

Sign him for three years. Buy him out in year three? Sounds like a plan!

[itzsoweezee]

Bye, bye demar. The sooner, the better

[DJR210]

I like Demar, but am more interested in fully committing to youth. Lonnie gets a huge confidence boost when he knows he has to step into Demar's role each time he's been out this season

[Thomas82]

I say no because he doesn't fit the timeline with the younger players.

[Thomas82]

Is there a way to see who's voting what? I wanna know who are my fellow No-Derozanites. I thought there was only like 5 or 6 of us lol count's up to 22 now

I'm one of them.

[Fireball]

The think about clutch situations is that the ball is not going to move away from him. There is no fucking off ball movement. If Manu had the ball, you'd see all this action and then Manu could take it in or pass to an open 3 guy. We know what detrash is going to do and he really can't ever get a good shot either. Some pump fakes into a fadeaway where he gets blocked is his usual M O. :lol

thats exactly what bugs me ... why can he not be the exact playmaker in that situation? if he gets open shoot it, but if not pass the damn ball ... our young guys need the chance to take clutch shots as well ... even if its catch and shoot

[lmbebo]

I'd like him to stay at the right price/years. Full MAX, pass. Maybe MAX at 2-3 years, maybe... He's on the wrong side of 30, while not all his fault, hasn't lead this team too much, etc. But you know maybe a 2 yr deal around 50-55 ? Think he'll want Hayward kind of money this summer, I think was 4/127 ?

[Truckules]

That's not how rebuilding, building, and player progression works. You don't throw in a child and say swim. Bad habits and losing culture is the likely destination of your idea of this team. You could clearly argue that those young players would be a step behind without players like DDR in the team.

Agreed completely. I also think too many people on this website let perfect be the enemy of good. Is Demar the best option for this team? No, there are better players out there who would help the Spurs contend more than Demar does. 99% of the people who want Demar back would agree with that. However, the Spurs have no chance at getting any of those better players so its better to keep Demar around to keep the culture intact.

The alternative is let him go, and let the young talent sink or swim. Maybe that would work out, but if it doesn't, the Spurs will have alienated their young players and destroyed their near-term future. They'd become a has-been like the Lakers in the 2010s, only they wouldn't have a Kobe to keep the fanbase happy.

[rankingtear]

I think he has adapted his game to the point that he is not hindering the growth of the young guys. He is not the usage monster anymore, he is now a point forward. 14th in assist per game this season with a ridiculously low 1.7 TO.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

People would be salivating over themselves if we were pursuing a 31 year old, 6'7" free agent, multi-time all-star averaging 20, 5 and 7, who's a loyal, team player.

We have one and half the forum want him gone. Cracks me up.

News flash, we're not going to fill that void overnight. So be prepared for a nice step back in competitiveness if he walks.

[Kurgan]

People would be salivating over themselves if we were pursuing a 31 year old, 6'7" free agent, multi-time all-star averaging 20, 5 and 7, who's a loyal, team player.

We have one and half the forum want him gone. Cracks me up.

News flash, we're not going to fill that void overnight. So be prepared for a nice step back in competitiveness if he walks.

His previous all star appearances were in the East so they have little value. Since moving West, he hasn't made the all-star team once in the past three years despite recording career numbers. The reality is Demar doesn't raise your ceiling much. If your aspirations are to be a treadmill team in the West, Demar's your guy. But he's not making you a contender. At most, first round fodder(current Spurs).

Considering how much Demar wants, he's not worth it. Spurs already offered him an extension and he turned it down. In my experience, Spurs have always offered fair value in contract negotiations. They've even been known to overpay at times(Patty, TP last contract). If Demar feels insulted by the Spurs offers, than he's clearly overvaluing himself.

[GAustex]

Keep DDR at high $$
Need to get rid of Keldon
They play the same spot

[hombre]

DeMar is getting better as a Spur and stabilizes the young core. Plus he makes the team more attractive to free agents.

[PrimeMinister]

If the spurs were in the position to be chasing Demar as an external FA and not an incumbent I’d have the exact same reaction as I did with the Vucevic “rumors”

Meh.

[LeBowen]

Honestly, idk. Depends on a lot of things.

He's our best player and the only reliable scoring option. But the problem is that he needs a specific supporting cast.
If we're to become a legit playoff team, that is.

He can't shoot and he's a bad defender. Two most important aspects of modern game.
Now, if you look at the rest of starting lineup and only Derrick can become a legit 3pt threat who actually has some gravity.
Noone will run Keldon or DJ off the 3pt line. Then you add Jakob into the mix and it gets even worse.

We have way too many similar players. We need a new Bowen. Devin can become that guy and I think if we extend Demar, starting Devin at some point in the future is inevitable. Or Lonnie if he improves his defense.

Keldon plays big, but him being a permanent PF isn't optimal.

No matter how you put it, our current roster has the unique combination of lacking size and spacing. Teams can either shoot or they have size. We have neither.

Maybe I'm wrong, but if Demar stays, there has to be a trade to accomodate him better. They won't re-sign him to stay mediocre.
Then it comes down to if you want to keep Demar or all of the young guys?

Great player, bad fit. Something has to give.

[gambit1990]

Is there a way to see who's voting what? I wanna know who are my fellow No-Derozanites. I thought there was only like 5 or 6 of us lol count's up to 22 now
when you make a poll you have an option of letting everyone see who voted for what.

but OP didn’t enable it cause he’s a idiot.

[PrimeMinister]

To the yes crew:

What is the price tag to keep him and for how many years? Is there a certain point that makes you say
no? And is it years or $ that is the dealbreaker. Is a 4 year max deal a no brainer for you?

ive detailed my answer but I want to hear from a different perspective.

[Excessive Egotist]

Team No DeRozan

[gambit1990]

every single person who voted yes has an emotional attachment they need to cut tbh. focus on the future instead of wanting to get embarrassed in the playoffs this year.

move him this season. if not, hope for a S&T.

[Dejounte]

when you make a poll you have an option of letting everyone see who voted for what.

but OP didn’t enable it cause he’s a idiot.

You've owned yourself enough on this site that it would be overkill for me to even insult you :lmao

[gambit1990]

You've owned yourself enough on this site that it would be overkill for me to even insult you :lmao
i’ve been saying to move demar and la for years. congrats on finally coming around.

[gambit1990]

and try pointing out where i owned myself :lol

[gambit1990]

i wanted demar gone the second the spurs acquired him. i said this team would be irreverent for years and they have been.

[Dejounte]

Lol @ thinking this is some sort of game of who has been right and who has been wrong

So clueless that all you think about is your simpleton takes from your feeble mind :lmao

It's like arguing with a 5th grader-- not at all worth entertaining

Come back when you've graduated high school

[mo7888]

To the yes crew:

What is the price tag to keep him and for how many years? Is there a certain point that makes you say
no? And is it years or $ that is the dealbreaker. Is a 4 year max deal a no brainer for you?

ive detailed my answer but I want to hear from a different perspective.

I'm not in either crew...for me it depends on the contract vs what we can get for him by trading him....but to answer your question, I'd like a 2 year contract between 65-70M as my max... if it were a 3 year deal I'd be ok with 90M but descending by the year...(ex. Yr 1- $37 yr 2- 33M and yr 3- 20M)

[gambit1990]

You've owned yourself enough on this site

Lol @ thinking this is some sort of game of who has been right and who has been wrong
oh, so i've owned myself for being right. that sounds just like your type of logic.

[daslicer]

I have never been a fan of his but surprisingly this is a tough question. Demar is a good at player development in the sense that young guys get better around him. He has a way of elevating their games. He's the type of guy I feel you can keep around until one of the young players becomes a legit star and that's when you throw him away. On the flip side like some have said in this thread the Spurs are going to be a low seed with him for a while that gets bounced out of the first round. If the team is bad without him they can gamble on the younger guys getting better and acquiring a new star through the lottery. It's tough for me to decide whether to get rid of him or keep him. Whatever the Spurs decide I'm fine with it.

[Seventyniner]

Also consider that, excluding garbage time, the Spurs have the #18 offense and #6 defense right now. For all the complaints about DDR's defense, he is very efficient on offense and his usage is high but not exorbitant. Without him I think the Spurs offense would be hard-pressed to stay out of the bottom 5.

Having a good defense is great and all, but it's only half the game. I could see it being somewhat more important than offense to a title contender, but for a team that's just trying to sneak into the playoffs a bad offense is hard to overcome.

[PrimeMinister]

Offensive rating and efficiency stats are driven heavily by 3 point shooting

if anything, I’d argue the attitude of those stats reflects the leadership of who is driving them. I think a team with derozan as a featured piece can be a really good team, but an offense led by him unless it’s with 4 40% 3 point shooters is probably not going to be lighting up efficiency stats and orating.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

i wanted demar gone the second the spurs acquired him. i said this team would be irreverent for years and they have been.

There's a reasonable chance we'd be near a top 4 seed this year if we'd of played the RRT and kept the roster intact. That's a little better than irrelevant.

Not sure the tanking strategy puts us in a better position. Look at the other teams' success who have gone that route in recent years. Unless we move the team to LA there's no magic switch to flip so we're talking about a 5-8 year "process" for a full rebuild with no guarantee of success.

[BackHome]

There's a reasonable chance we'd be near a top 4 seed this year if we'd of played the RRT and kept the roster intact. That's a little better than irrelevant.

Not sure the tanking strategy puts us in a better position. Look at the other teams' success who have gone that route in recent years. Unless we move the team to LA there's no magic switch to flip so we're talking about a 5-8 year "process" for a full rebuild with no guarantee of success.

On thing is that we neve won a Championship by getting Key players through trades we won titles through guys we drafted. The problem is that the guys we drafted David Robinson, and Tim Duncan are once in a lifetime players the odds of us getting Timmy was like someone winning the Lotto twice - Not ever going to happen again in our lifetime

So we either tank and hope for a third miracle or do something we have never really done and build through trades. I do agree we came close with LMA that one year KY got hurt and all hell broke out.

[3&D_TBH]

I want him back. Two year deal for a good price would be ideal, but the Spurs are gonna offer him a max deal. No doubt in my mind. Not saying I agree with that price, but that is what I see happening. He deserves to be the highest paid player on the team based on nothing else than production, but as many other posters have said, the devil is in the details of the deal.

[spurs1990]

when you make a poll you have an option of letting everyone see who voted for what.

but OP didn’t enable it cause he’s a idiot.

Ah okay I remember that feature. Dejounte can you edit the poll to reveal the ballot? From the looks of it it's gonna be a 50-50 split. I would've sworn this forum was heavily pro-DeRozan.

[Dejounte]

Ah okay I remember that feature. Dejounte can you edit the poll to reveal the ballot? From the looks of it it's gonna be a 50-50 split. I would've sworn this forum was heavily pro-DeRozan.

No, I can't. I don't see the point other than for trolls to shame other people. Let people think what they want to think and let those who feel comfortable stating their position do so themselves.

[Down Under]

What's the maximum 2 year deal he can sign? 95mil?

[Spurs Homer]

Might as well keep him-

since the main argument im seeing (although didnt read EVERY post) is that the young guys would get his playing time

EXCEPT

Pop would just get ANOTHER old guy and still play him over the young guys

so might as well keep him- at least Derozan has been a good trooper!

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I voted “No”

I appreciate how he has changed his game some and helped the young guys. I also think he is a good player but I feel in order to keep him our team is gonna have to overpay and his skill set and age doesn’t justify overpaying to keep him.

he isn’t as bad as most of you think and a lot of folks talking trash and saying the team will be fine is going to really see how much we miss him when he is gone in my opinion

[PhantomDashCam]

People would be salivating over themselves if we were pursuing a 31 year old, 6'7" free agent, multi-time all-star averaging 20, 5 and 7, who's a loyal, team player.

We have one and half the forum want him gone. Cracks me up.

News flash, we're not going to fill that void overnight. So be prepared for a nice step back in competitiveness if he walks.

I think the ‘no’ voters are getting lumped together here. Not everyone that voted ‘nay’ is a DDR hater.
‘When you look at the teams depth chart - the wing or 2/3 hybrid; is inarguably our deepest and most talented position.

KJ, Vassell, Lonnie can all play the 3; not to mention in certain lineups DJ and D White can pinch hit.

Dejounte was clear in the polls opening post - it’s a binary choice.

[K...]

yeah we'd have a glut, but instead of getting a piss return on Derozan, trading youth (something that has to happen in most situations) brings back a real return. Lets punt on free agency, and do some actually win win trades

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Have max cap space for 2022 so the Spurs can sign a player that's likely worse than DDR?

Worse than what a washed up 34 year old Derozan will be at that point?! In 2 years the FA crop is a lot more promising. Why pay $25-$30 million on a player who makes you maybe a 6th seed a best? When you can not pay him, develop the young roster by building chemistry and on court situational development and end up a 6-8 seed without him?

[BillMc]

For the right price, sure.

[Rummpd]

Move on. Should have traded a year ago. Now let go as fast as possible.

[FkLA]

Should've made the poll public, imo, tbh.

[GAustex]

When the game got tight the Spurs looked to their star and he led the flame out. The most telling moment was after White called time out and then there was a second timeout to advance the ball. The inbound went to DeChoker-who promptly fell down (he falls down a lot in crucial moments-remember in Toronto when he fell down and let #2 steal his lunch money?-I think he folds so bad under pressure that his brain just quits and he forgets how to stand up) anyway if DJM (was it him) was not there to bail DeChoker out-who knows what would have happened.

Hitching your wagon to DDR making him the man/highest paid player on this team is a mistake.

[KobesAchilles]

Buncha ungrateful bastards on this board. Everyone was throwing a parade here when we beat DET and CHI without Demar and then he comes back and we win easily against another shitty team and casuals are crying :cry

[GAustex]

Better ways to spend the salary allotment than reupping DDR. PATFO need to pull it off though

[spurs1990]

DeRozan was solid tonight. Great job by him and his supporting cast against a scrappy Cavs team.

I'll add I'll take DeRozan all day over John Wall and Oladipo combined. 19 straight loss vs the frickin Pistons tonight :(

[venitian navigator]

I'd sign DDR on a friendly deal...because imho all depends on the kind of role he will be allowed to play in our future. As one (maybe still the best one) of the team opposed to the "star" of the team. <i'd sign him only in the first case and pay him accordingly...also with a long term contract. Something that shows by numbers that 1)he's still considered the best one of all our players, but only by a little margin (reality check); 2) makes him a spur for the rest of his career.
In this I'm not opposed to a possible 4 years contract but only at a price that shows his committment not only to the team but also to the "young road" the team taking. Something like a 20 millions flat for 4 years (80 total). I say this because this year's rumors were that he was meshing well with the young kids (probably, for a lot of reasons, differently from Alridge...and, by the way, I'm sorry to say that LMA will to part ways with he team and not accept his bench role is another evidence of his personality...in the sense he has a me first world and no team wiew).

[DAF86]

People asking for "DeRozan on a lesser role", you do realize he's incapable of playing off ball right?

[venitian navigator]

People asking for "DeRozan on a lesser role", you do realize he's incapable of playing off ball right?

A lesser role comes with less minutes that cames with older age...That would mean the opposite of not giving him the ball (and still now an alternative playmaker playing with White or Murray or both is, imho, a good idea). The point is just to understand if he wants to still be considered the only all star of the team or if is possible to let him realize, and accept by money contract, that he's going to be in time more and more a mentor than a one man show...that's, imho, what's already what's already happening on the court...His numbers are very good and from a basketball standpoint maybe are in line with the best of his life expecially because more than all are his assist numbers that shows improvement...what we need to understand is if that's a sign of a more team oriented player or just of a player that wants to enhance his numbers at his best only for his next market value...

[Dejounte]

People asking for "DeRozan on a lesser role", you do realize he's incapable of playing off ball right?

You do realize that:

His USG% this year is the lowest it's been since his second year in the NBA. He's already been playing a lesser role. Tonight, for example, he took the 3rd most shots in the game. His USG% (as well as minutes) will only drop every year he's a Spur.

For comparison:
DeMar's USG is at 24% (last year and the year prior were 26% and 28%, respectively)
Harden is at 28%
Doncic is at 35%

DeMar's USG% is decreasing as the season goes on and we might see that number drop further by the end of the season. In the game vs the Cavs, he only had a 20% USG (!!!).

He's no longer this ball dominant player who is in the way of other players, at least for the most part.

USG% -- Usage Percentage
An estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while they were on the floor.

It's possible DeMar can age gracefully as a player who focuses on drawing the defense and finding other players.

Remember, I'm Team No-DeRozan. And that's only because I don't know how they will make it work with Keldon on the roster. If they figure that part out, I feel comfortable with DeMar on the team.

[DAF86]

You do realize that:

His USG% this year is the lowest it's been since his second year in the NBA. He's already been playing a lesser role. Tonight, for example, he took the 3rd most shots in the game. His USG% (as well as minutes) will only drop every year he's a Spur.

For comparison:
DeMar's USG is at 24% (last year and the year prior were 26% and 28%, respectively)
Harden is at 28%
Doncic is at 35%

DeMar's USG% is decreasing as the season goes on and we might see that number drop further by the end of the season. In the game vs the Cavs, he only had a 20% USG (!!!).

He's no longer this ball dominant player who is in the way of other players, at least for the most part.

USG% -- Usage Percentage
An estimate of the percentage of team plays used by a player while they were on the floor.

It's possible DeMar can age gracefully as a player who focuses on drawing the defense and finding other players.

Remember, I'm Team No-DeRozan. And that's only because I don't know how they will make it work with Keldon on the roster. If they figure that part out, I feel comfortable with DeMar on the team.

That's not an off-ball player though. His usage can decrease, a whole different animal is him being useful whenever he doesn't have the ball in his hands, tbh.

[SpursDynasty85]

That's not an off-ball player though. His usage can decrease, a whole different animal is him being useful whenever he doesn't have the ball in his hands, tbh.

He can play offball the team is just better with him on the ball. He is decent off the ball inside the 3 point line but even more impressive is his efficiency and his playmaking. As long as he keeps the turnovers to a minimum like he is this year, he can grow into a mentor facilitator. Not everyone on the floor needs to be deadly from the three. He is pretty good at everything else. It will help a lot when the younger guys get even better.

[SpursDynasty85]

I still vote for him not being on the squad next year. I’d like to see more of the younger guys play.

[stnick2261]

Can I change my vote here? I was probably 55-60% towards DDR staying "for the right price"... but now I'm changing to the "I think we can be better without him" team.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I think I'm also seeing that we have a fairly capable team without him. So, yeah, I'd be curious to see the results of a new poll. My guess is it would swing to the "no". No offense to Demar.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

This team may have already reached their ceiling with the DeMar experiment...its time to try something else...

[$pursDynasty]

I'm torn, I understand the "let the younger guys play" mindset but that was the battlecry of all the teams the Spurs would always destroy back in the day, a strong veteran presence is what kept the Spurs at the top of the league; to go just the youngsters feels like an old Phoenix Suns mindset who were constantly in the lottery UNTIL they brought in the vet experience of CP3 and now they seem like a completely different team. I was quick to call Demar, DePression and was more of an LMA guy that a DeFrozen guy but a vet leader is necessary on this team beyond what Patty and Rudy can provide and Dijon isn't ready for that roll yet.

[exstatic]

I'm torn, I understand the "let the younger guys play" mindset but that was the battlecry of all the teams the Spurs would always destroy back in the day, a strong veteran presence is what kept the Spurs at the top of the league; to go just the youngsters feels like an old Phoenix Suns mindset who were constantly in the lottery UNTIL they brought in the vet experience of CP3 and now they seem like a completely different team. I was quick to call Demar, DePression and was more of an LMA guy that a DeFrozen guy but a vet leader is necessary on this team beyond what Patty and Rudy can provide and Dijon isn't ready for that roll yet.

We’re not at the top of the league. We’re likely in the lottery. That’s where head led us.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Enough of this _eRozan is a vet leader. The man melts down easily and sets bad examples. He’s not someone you want around unless pop is telling the young guys behind the scenes to look at _emar and do the opposite of what he does

[Dejounte]

DeMar posted a cryptic message on IG: "Laugh now, cry later"

Probably a sign he's making the best of his time with people he's formed relationships with on the Spurs organization and then it's goodbye?

[NASpurs]

Derrick is going to be 27 next year and Murray is going to go into his sixth year next year (well including the one year on the sidelines). There’s your vets, hand the reigns over already and sign cheap 30+ year olds if you want more veteran presence. What we need is more talent.

[BillMc]

I voted yes (at the right price) but am leaning towards "no" now.

[NASpurs]

DeMar posted a cryptic message on IG: "Laugh now, cry later"

Probably a sign he's making the best of his time with people he's formed relationships with on the Spurs organization and then it's goodbye?

Cry later when he re-signs unfortunately.

[$pursDynasty]

Cry later when he re-signs unfortunately.
only if he is trolling ST, lol

[DAF86]

I'm torn, I understand the "let the younger guys play" mindset but that was the battlecry of all the teams the Spurs would always destroy back in the day, a strong veteran presence is what kept the Spurs at the top of the league; to go just the youngsters feels like an old Phoenix Suns mindset who were constantly in the lottery UNTIL they brought in the vet experience of CP3 and now they seem like a completely different team. I was quick to call Demar, DePression and was more of an LMA guy that a DeFrozen guy but a vet leader is necessary on this team beyond what Patty and Rudy can provide and Dijon isn't ready for that roll yet.

No, "a strong veteran presence" isn't what kept the Spurs at the top. It was "hall of fame presence" that did. DeRozan isn't that.

[Leetonidas]

DeMar posted a cryptic message on IG: "Laugh now, cry later"

Probably a sign he's making the best of his time with people he's formed relationships with on the Spurs organization and then it's goodbye?

could also be talking about his father. enjoy the memories and remember him fondly right now, and grieve during the offseason when there's time. i think that makes more sense tbh

[PhantomDashCam]

DeMar posted a cryptic message on IG: "Laugh now, cry later"

Probably a sign he's making the best of his time with people he's formed relationships with on the Spurs organization and then it's goodbye?

May very well have to do with this:

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1383811848110178324?s=20

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1384152863841001473?s=20

[BatManu20]

Poll is split right down the middle, 83-83. Fascinating. :lol

[Mugen]

Who tf would still want Derozan on the team after watching the last 2 seasons? :lol

[$pursDynasty]

No, "a strong veteran presence" isn't what kept the Spurs at the top. It was "hall of fame presence" that did. DeRozan isn't that.
amen brother I am of the opinion if any of the big 3 old and hobbled as they are were on the roster right now we would be 10 games ahead of where we are #5 seed at the worst.

[R. DeMurre]

Timmy was a veteran leader, never got flustered, was usually the smartest guy on the floor. Same with Manu.
DeRozan doesn't have that. He routinely has the worst body language of anyone on the court, significantly worse than KJ, Devin, or Poeltl... so I just don't get this "veteran leadership" angle. If age=maturity & leadership, then maybe the Spurs should sign Ron Artest or Rasheed Wallace to a one year minimum.

[Dejounte]

Poll is split right down the middle, 83-83. Fascinating. :lol

The poll was 83 (yes) - 72 (no) before stnick2261 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19035) bumped it. :lmao

[longhorn]

Who tf would still want Derozan on the team after watching the last 2 seasons? :lol

Odd that some fans of a franchise coming off two decades of historically great title contention are so content to follow it up with a decade of being mediocre at best.

[RC_Drunkford]

Get him the F outtahere. If he walks for nothing PATFO wasted another asset, which is what I expect to happen

[slick'81]

Spurs beating the pacers with destar leading the way... he aint going anywhere

[Teamduncan21]

If we didn't make the playoff. Then it's automatic no for me. Even at the right price.

[GAustex]

He aint worth what he wants

[james evans]

I wanted him gone as soon as he got here. We’re a very good team when he’s not taking 22 shots a game.

[spurs1990]

I still am shocked 84 posters want him. There's no 'star' player in the league who's disliked by his own team's fans more than #10.
Just count how many ugly nicknames people have come up with him on this forum.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

I still am shocked 84 posters want him. There's no 'star' player in the league who's disliked by his own team's fans more than #10.
Just count how many ugly nicknames people have come up with him on this forum.

be that as it may, spurstalk is a cesspool

tosb duncan
manure ginosebleed
porker
poop
etc

[J_Paco]

be that as it may, spurstalk is a cesspool

tosb duncan
manure ginosebleed
porker
poop
etc

Right, using ST as a barometer of how the entire Spurs fanbase feels about DeRozan is beyond dumb.

I don't want him on the team past this current season, but all the childish, immature & insensitive (bordering on offensive) name calling towards him is unwarranted.

He's a flawed player on a team that was never built to accentuate his strengths and hide his deficiencies. It was a match made in hell, TBH.

And hopefully this Summer it'll come to a close, even if he's lost "for nothing."

[R. DeMurre]

:lol Now that the late night mail in ballots are being counted, it looks like Demar's gonna lose the election.