LMA Trade Idea: Spurs Get Harrison Barnes, Nemanja Bjelica and Robert Woodard II

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/lamarcus-aldridge-trade-harrison-barnes-nemanja-bjelica-spurs-kings/

Hmm, tbh.

[Spurs Homer]

NO


derrick white = yes

[mo7888]

https://www.spurstalk.com/lamarcus-aldridge-trade-harrison-barnes-nemanja-bjelica-spurs-kings/

Hmm, tbh.

I'm good with it.... I'll call it the RW trade....with Barnes thrown in to make the contracts work...lol... in all seriousness, I do think the Kings would do this..

[Dejounte]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289604&page=9&p=10453170&viewfull=1#post10453170

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289604&page=9&p=10453176&viewfull=1#post10453176

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289604&page=9&p=10453206&viewfull=1#post10453206

At least give me credit, timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) ;)

[Dejounte]

The prospect of getting Barnes is exciting. He's really easy to root for as far as personality-wise.

Also, after watching Woodard in all of the Austin games, I feel like he has more potential than Lonnie. Dude plays like a man among boys.

[4lifecowboy]

Replace Walker with White.

[Mr. Body]

There are other suitors to Barnes, such as Boston, who will drive the price up.

I don't buy Sacramento accepting LMA for Barnes, essentially. Walker is okay, but doesn't do anything for their problems.

I don't think the Spurs will trade LMA to a horrible team. That's bad optics and bad optics for a small market is bad business, even if there's some set-up to buy him out.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I have mulled about the same idea too. I would have been even more happier if the Spurs gave up Walker and a 1st round pick for someone who is even more proven like Nikola Vucevic but the Magic has no incentive to trade him away when they have expirings like Fournier. The Kings are a better trade target but their owner always mucks things up. They might end up valuing Barnes much more higher than a potential 1st round pick.

[exstatic]

NO


derrick white = yes

White is a far better defender, and doesn’t curl into a ball and disappear for games on end. I’ve always maintained that the most expendable of our 6 first rounders is Lonnie.

[BacktoBasics]

I don’t like this at all.

[intlspurshk]

Losing first round pick in the upcoming draft is a disaster. If Spurs want to contend, they need star talent in PG to bring out the potential of other players. To make this trade work, Devin or Derrick could replace Walker to improve the offer to Kings rather than the first round pick. Nevertheless, I am not sure Barnes is really so valuable

[Dejounte]

Also, good luck breaking up this broship:

CMnVTPUHY3K

[spurs10]

When I saw this involved Walker I was reluctant, but after reading this you have me convinced it could work. Especially if LMA could make a million and then be bought to go where he wanted. Harrison Barnes sounds like a good fit.

[Mugen]

Not terrible tbh.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/UWqL39syqOw

[ginobilized]

IF this were to happen, Barnes would fit SA very well as a player and as a force in the Spurs culture and community.
It is certainly plausible. We’ll see if they can pull off a rare trade.
Just getting LMA out of the picture has been so positive already.

What about DDR? Any theories, timvp?

[Spurs Homer]

White is a far better defender, and doesn’t curl into a ball and disappear for games on end. I’ve always maintained that the most expendable of our 6 first rounders is Lonnie.


white has some good qualities -

unfortunately - he is a crystal glass china doll!

[The Truth #6]

Wow. I really like Lonnie. But I think the Spurs would have to take this trade as outlined by Timvp. Would be great to have a little more size, but Woodard plays big. I think Spurs should do this.

[Leetonidas]

I'd take this deal in a heartbeat tbh. Walker is the most naturally talented player but he lacks the fire that Keldon or DJ have. Trade him while his value is high and he has potential/upside.

Spurs would be looking at a pretty solid team next year especially if they kept Bjelica. If one of the young guys takes a big step, we have a real team

[GAustex]

Has not Murray missed more games to injury than Whote?

[Dejounte]

The other hitch here is that the Kings don't have depth outside of Bagley for Barnes' position. Wouldn't they count on Woodard as the replacement if Barnes were to leave?

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't like that trade. I still think Lonnie can be much greater than Barnes and maybe even better than DeMar

[DAF86]

Giving up Walker AND a 1st round pick? Yeeeeeeeah, that would be a no. I much prefer buying out Aldridge, tbh.

[Dejounte]

Apparently, the Kings GM might be competent. Might be a stat geek in the same vein as Morey:

"Over his 13 years with the Rockets, McNair was involved with all aspects of player evaluation, including trade, free agency and the Draft. He began his career in Houston as a Basketball Operations Senior Analyst in 2007, was promoted to Director of Basketball Operations in 2013 and became Vice President of Basketball Operations in 2016.

Before joining the Rockets, McNair worked as a sports programmer and researcher at STATS LLC. McNair played football at Princeton University, where he earned a Bachelor of Science degree in computer science. "

https://www.nba.com/kings/kings-name-monte-mcnair-general-manager#:~:text=The%20Sacramento%20Kings%20announc ed%20today,to%20the%20owner%20and%20chairman.

[Dejounte]

People overrating the 2021 draft class :lmao :lmao

The draft is a crapshoot past the 15th.

[lmbebo]

I dunno. I'm stuck on wanting Bagley ... but I guess it would work ...

[Excessive Egotist]

I'd hate to include Walker, but I get why it would likely be necessary. Won't be a popular opinion, but Spurs might be able to convernt Barnes into Boston's TPE and pick up two picks (net one, if they give up a pick) and a TPE of their own. Or two picks and Time Lord. Converting Aldridge and Walker into Woodard, a pick, and, effectively, more cap space might be better than keeping Barnes.

The other go-very-big option is adding Gay and Mills to the Kings deal in exchange for Hield.

Or put together a package of Barnes & DeRozan to Warriors for Wiseman and draft compensation.

[jjktkk]

Its a win, win tbh. Ppull the trigger Pop, make it happen.

[Mr. Body]

TBh his advanced defensive metrics are really shitty.

[RC_Drunkford]

make it LMA + Lyles and the 2023 first round pick and I'd do the deal immediately :lol

[Mugen]

I don't like that trade. I still think Lonnie can be much greater than Barnes and maybe even better than DeMar

Same but not with the old man around tbh. If Pop plans on coming back next year and they decide to bring back Wombat in the offseason, I don't think Lonnie will ever hit his peak with the Spurs.

[KingKev]

I’m happy to part with Walker IV in any trade that makes sense long term. This is not it. I’d rather just buyout LMA at full price than this. Our 2021 first, in his 3rd year is probably going to be as equally as good as anyone in this trade given our ability to draft and develop

[KingKev]

Or we could just “run it back” sans LMA. That is basically what this trade accomplishes. Less downside, less upside. No thanks.

[spurraider21]

works for me tbh

[spurs1990]

Definitely a promising trade. I like both players a lot as multi-year rotational players in San Antonio.

Barnes cancelling out bringing back DeRozan is the immediate highlight. For those who've forgotten, Barnes was the ultimate blue-chip recruit in 2010 and played two very solid years at UNC. He contributed heavily to the Warriors 2015 and 2016 title teams. He's supremely Spurs character material, well-spoken, highly intelligent. Oh, and a starting SF who shoots 3's! Imagine that.

Bjelica (pronounced Bee-Elite-sa) is a deadly 3pt specialist. Last year he pulled this off against the neighbors to the east. Do it RC tbh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqS1xoAg5Ps

[Mr. Body]

I mean, Imma repeat it. Harrison Barnes is a really, really bad defender. Far worse than DeRozan. Far, far worse.

But carry on with your little jack-off session.

[BillMc]

Also, good luck breaking up this broship:

CMnVTPUHY3K

Who calls Lonnie "The Buddah"? Have I missed this nickname somehow? Was it self-given like Kobe calling himself The Black Mamba?

[Fusternino]

Barnes was definitely the weak link on the pre-Durant Warrior teams, and yes, that's when considering Bogut.

[gambit1990]

i don't see the spurs moving lonnie right now.

[SpurSpike]

I like the chemistry our young guys have, would hate to break that up by including Walker. I think it would rub some of our young players the wrong way.

[K...]

I don't like this trade unless the spurs are very high on woodard. It wouldn't make us a contender, but would keep the floor from coming out. I think the chemistry hit is irrelevant. This team w/o derozan hasn't established an offensive identity to waste.

I think Sacto rejects the trade. I think they assume the spurs want Woodard and would ask for 2 picks. They know LMA won't stay. So they trade 2 starters and a prospect for a prospect guard and a late pick? Not every team has the spurs problem where the paycheck warriors want to leave. Sacto has us by the balls in this one.

[bluebellmaniac]

If Woodard was in this year's draft, where would you project him being picked?

[KingKev]

Definitely a promising trade. I like both players a lot as multi-year rotational players in San Antonio.

Barnes cancelling out bringing back DeRozan is the immediate highlight. For those who've forgotten, Barnes was the ultimate blue-chip recruit in 2010 and played two very solid years at UNC. He contributed heavily to the Warriors 2015 and 2016 title teams. He's supremely Spurs character material, well-spoken, highly intelligent. Oh, and a starting SF who shoots 3's! Imagine that.

Bjelica (pronounced Bee-Elite-sa) is a deadly 3pt specialist. Last year he pulled this off against the neighbors to the east. Do it RC tbh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqS1xoAg5Ps

Sounds like he would be a great addition to the coffee gang. Filming starts day one after the regular season.

[BackHome]

[QUOTE=Spurs Homer;10460511]white has some good qualities -

unfortunately - he is a crystal glass china doll![/QUOTE

Yeah both him and Walker are definitely never going to compete in any "Iron Man" competitions

[JuneJive]

Walker and the 1st should fetch you more than that.
( Imo, they have more worth in Spurs developing hands. )

Barnes is pretty blah.

[Ice009]

If Barnes is as poor of a defender as some of the guys here have mentioned, I'm not interested at all. What are his actual strengths if he's that poor of a defender?

[td4mvp2k]

make it LMA + Lyles and the 2023 first round pick and I'd do the deal immediately :lol
there's no way they would get a 1st and walker. lyles instead tbh.

[KingKev]

Walker and the 1st should fetch you more than that.
( Imo, they have more worth in Spurs developing hands. )

Barnes is pretty blah.

PREACH. The time to garner any value for LMA has passed. His only value now for us is a second and an expiring. Beyond that, the next best alternative is letting him walk. I have NO faith in PATFO’s ability to get a proper deal done. We don’t need anymore coffee gang culture players and don’t need to offer a first to procure another role player.

[exstatic]

https://youtu.be/UWqL39syqOw

I was wondering if anyone remembered that LW IV and Fox are boys.

[MoSpur02]

It worries me that Walker IV didn’t get playing time.

[exstatic]

Or we could just “run it back” sans LMA. That is basically what this trade accomplishes. Less downside, less upside. No thanks.

Uh, Barnes is 3 years younger than DD, and a 37% 3 point shooter. The spacing is automatically better.

[exstatic]

It worries me that Walker IV didn’t get playing time.

White isn’t playing B2Bs. Lonnie probably starts tomorrow.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

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[Dejounte]

Image

:lmao :lmao

[KingKev]

Uh, Barnes is 3 years younger than DD, and a 37% 3 point shooter. The spacing is automatically better.

On the Kings. A solid addition to a team who is a fringe contender. That is not us.

[tbdog]

I think Hield would be a target the Kings would let go. Simply because he is overpaid and Barnes has more value.

[td4mvp2k]

I think Hield would be a target the Kings would let go. Simply because he is overpaid and Barnes has more value.
i think you could get him more for less and you add woodard.

[exstatic]

On the Kings. A solid addition to a team who is a fringe contender. That is not us.

He contributes and holds cap space until 2023, the next big FA class. Nothing available is going to make us a contender.

[siraulo23]

Barnes? no thanks

[Spur4ever]

Do not like it. If Barnes was 23-25 then maybe. I’d just buy him out and draft Jones out of Texas or my favorite Queta out of Utah St or maybe both and let the team grow together.

[rankingtear]

Would not mind this trade, a 6-8 big wing is always an asset. Basically a Demar/Gay insurance, maybe another trade follows. Make the pick top 4 or 5 protected, draft is hard to predict after that.

[exstatic]

Do not like it. If Barnes was 23-25 then maybe. I’d just buy him out and draft Jones out of Texas or my favorite Queta out of Utah St or maybe both and let the team grow together.

You can’t just hold $50M in cap room open. There is a minimum salary floor, thanks to Donald Sterling back in the day. You either have to re-sign the 30 something vets, sign FAs, or do something like the Barnes deal, a late 20s vet who can play, and who’s contract ends in 2023, the year of the next big FA class.

[Ice009]

Someone mentioned he is a worse defender than Demar. For those of you that have watched Barnes, is that accurate? If so, why would the Spurs want him?

[Mr. Body]

Someone mentioned he is a worse defender than Demar. For those of you that have watched Barnes, is that accurate? If so, why would the Spurs want him?

All of the Sacremento players are horrible defenders. They are a historically bad defensive team.

This board just makes shit up and runs with it.

[rankingtear]

Someone mentioned he is a worse defender than Demar. For those of you that have watched Barnes, is that accurate? If so, why would the Spurs want him?

Don't really follow him, but some advance defensive stats hate him because of low stocks, although on/off is good. He is the primary defender on star wing not a hide him player like Demar.

[Mr. Body]

Don't really follow him, but some advance defensive stats hate him because of low stocks, although on/off is good. He is the primary defender on star wing not a hide him player like Demar.

:lol That's probably why Sacto has one of the shittiest defenses of all time. :lol

[DAF86]

If we are giving up a 1st rounder, I'd much rather to be on an Aldridge for Otto Porter Jr. trade, tbh.

[Mr. Body]

If we are giving up a 1st rounder, I'd much rather to be on an Aldridge for Otto Porter Jr. trade, tbh.

Oh holy shit what a bad idea.

[Dejounte]

Oh holy shit what a bad idea.

I've never seen you once share your own opinion on who the Spurs should go for, yet you shit on everybody else's posts. Get off your high horse. It's not exactly a brave stance you're taking and not a smart one either when all you do is overvalue our own players and then undervalue other team's players. Fucking hilarious that you shit on Atlanta fans for liking Huerter when you've watched way less of their team than they have. Like I said, get off your fucking high horse.

[DAF86]

Oh holy shit what a bad idea.

Otto Porter is exactly the type of player we are missing. 6'8" forward. Defensive minded. 40% 3pt shooter. Only 27 years old. Positive impact metrics all of his career despite always playing for shitty ass teams. I don't think we could find a more perfect fit out there, tbh.

Now try and give a reasonable explanation of why this would be such a bad idea son. :lol

[mo7888]

Otto Porter is exactly the type of player we are missing. 6'8" forward. Defensive minded. 40% 3pt shooter. Only 27 years old. Positive impact metrics all of his career despite always playing for shitty ass teams. I don't think we could find a more perfect fit out there, tbh.

Now try and give a reasonable explanation of why this would be such a bad idea son. :lol

Adding Porter isn't a bad idea....giving up a 1st to do it is...

[Mr. Body]

Otto Porter is exactly the type of player we are missing. 6'8" forward. Defensive minded. 40% 3pt shooter. Only 27 years old. Positive impact metrics all of his career despite always playing for shitty ass teams. I don't think we could find a more perfect fit out there, tbh.

Now try and give a reasonable explanation of why this would be such a bad idea son. :lol

Otto fucking Porter. :lol Big time winner everywhere he goes. :lol Giving up a first rounder for this big time winner. :lol Who hasn't had a winning season in a decade in the NBA. :lol Let's give up a first rounder in a great draft for that guy. :lol

[DAF86]

Adding Porter isn't a bad idea....giving up a 1st to do it is...

Folks here are contemplating the idea of giving up a 1st rounder to get Harrison Barnes, tbh. :lol

[mo7888]

Folks here are contemplating the idea of giving up a 1st rounder to get Harrison Barnes, tbh. :lol

Harrison Barnes is worth more....he can't walk this summer like Porter...if Porter was on a relatively cheap contract like Barnes then he might be worth a 1st as well

[DAF86]

Otto fucking Porter. :lol Big time winner everywhere he goes. :lol Giving up a first rounder for this big time winner. :lol Who hasn't had a winning season in a decade in the NBA. :lol Let's give up a first rounder in a great draft for that guy. :lol

I knew your answer was going to be some dumb variation of "4 rings, bitch!". You are such a basic homer bitch. :lol

Porter Jr. plays a winning brand of basketball, it's not his fault he always played with all-stars that play a losing brand of ball. Bruce Bowen never did much winning before getting to San Antonio, tbh.

[DAF86]

Harrison Barnes is worth more....he can't walk this summer like Porter...if Porter was on a relatively cheap contract like Barnes then he might be worth a 1st as well

Not to me, tbh. Anyways, I didn't say "straight up give up a 1st rounder for Porter", if he can be had for less then all the better. I just said that if folks were contemplating giving up a 1st for Barnes, I'd much rather use it on Porter Jr. A much better fit for our roster.

[mo7888]

Not to me, tbh. Anyways, I didn't say "straight up give up a 1st rounder for Porter", if he can be had for less then all the better. I just said that if folks were contemplating giving up a 1st for Barnes, I'd much rather use it on Porter Jr. A much better fit for our roster.

According to basketballnews the Bulls should target Aldridge using Porter. That could result in us getting an asset instead of sending one (although I personally think their value is pretty much equal).

https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/nba-news-examining-potential-landing-spots-lamarcus-aldridge-san-antonio-spurs-trade-chicago-bulls-new-york-knicks-miami-heat

[DPG21920]

WTF. Lonnie and a first for Barnes? I’m not sure what I’m reading. Barnes sucks.

[DAF86]

According to basketballnews the Bulls should target Aldridge using Porter. That could result in us getting an asset instead of sending one (although I personally think their value is pretty much equal).

https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/nba-news-examining-potential-landing-spots-lamarcus-aldridge-san-antonio-spurs-trade-chicago-bulls-new-york-knicks-miami-heat

All the better, tbh.

[DPG21920]

WTF. Lonnie and a first for Barnes? I’m not sure what I’m reading. Barnes sucks.

Lonnie is officially off the table

[Spurs Homer]

Lonnie is officially off the table

lonnie had a monster game against houston not too long ago...


then pop dnp’d his ass for half a season...

[venitian navigator]

According to basketballnews the Bulls should target Aldridge using Porter. That could result in us getting an asset instead of sending one (although I personally think their value is pretty much equal).

https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/nba-news-examining-potential-landing-spots-lamarcus-aldridge-san-antonio-spurs-trade-chicago-bulls-new-york-knicks-miami-heat

I red the article and have to say, at this point, all three trades makes sense....

[RC_Drunkford]

Folks here are contemplating the idea of giving up a 1st rounder to get Harrison Barnes, tbh. :lol

and you want to give up a 1st for Otto Porter, which is even worse :lmao

[DAF86]

and you want to give up a 1st for Otto Porter, which is even worse :lmao

He isn't though, that's the kicker. At least for what the Spurs need.

[DPG21920]

I’m truly praying this isn’t based on something timvp actually heard?

[Mr. Body]

I’m truly praying this isn’t based on something timvp actually heard?

No. Literally no one is saying this.

[BatManu20]

I wouldn’t even trade Lonnie for Harrison Barnes straight up at this point. Lonnie just turned 22, actually likes being a Spur and says he enjoys the city of San Antonio, and seems like he might actually re-sign here on a team-friendly deal. Barnes is about to turn 29 and will be a FA in 2023 with no signs that he’d re-sign here. And he doesn’t move the needle for us anyways. Give me Lonnie and his potential all day tbh.

[Mr. Body]

I wouldn’t even trade Lonnie for Harrison Barnes straight up at this point. Lonnie just turned 22, actually likes being a Spur and says he enjoys the city of San Antonio, and seems like he might actually re-sign here on a team-friendly deal. Barnes is about to turn 29 and will be a FA in 2023 with no signs that he’d re-sign here. And he doesn’t move the needle for us anyways. Give me Lonnie and his potential all day tbh.

Yeah. This is a pretty dismal thread, tbh. Barnes was let out of GSW for a reason and then let out of Dallas for a reason. He's just sort of... there.

Walker has elevator shoes at the moment. Even if his limit is a Microwave-type player, that's still a player this team vitally needs, a guy who can score in bunches.

[TD 21]

I get it and don't think it's as bad as many are making it seem, but why give up any assets when they could sign Porter Jr. for significantly cheaper this off season? Of course you'd prefer the far more durable Barnes in a vacuum, but that's not the point.

[Ice009]

Man, Lonnie was spectacular yesterday and showed us more of those flashes of his true potential. I don't think I want to let him go at all. I want to give him more time to see if he can consistently put it all together.

If anything (I know it was only one bad game), White has me a little worried that his ceiling is a lot lower than I thought it was. He just hasn't looked good for good chunks of the past couple of seasons. I don't know if it's due to injury, lack of form due to being out all the time, or if he's just not going to get much better, but he's really starting to worry me. I hope he can turn it around as I thought very highly of him the past couple of years.

[tbdog]

Man, Lonnie was spectacular yesterday and showed us more of those flashes of his true potential. I don't think I want to let him go at all. I want to give him more time to see if he can consistently put it all together.

If anything (I know it was only one bad game), White has me a little worried that his ceiling is a lot lower than I thought it was. He just hasn't looked good for good chunks of the past couple of seasons. I don't know if it's due to injury, lack of form due to being out all the time, or if he's just not going to get much better, but he's really starting to worry me. I hope he can turn it around and I thought very highly of him the past couple of years.

White will be fine. His season has been inconsistent because he has had inconsistent game time.

Spurs are at odds with White and Walker. Who starts and who is better off the bench. They both can be argued they better suited for both.

[exstatic]

White will be fine. His season has been inconsistent because he has had inconsistent game time.

Spurs are at odds with White and Walker. Who starts and who is better off the bench. They both can be argued they better suited for both.

This was also white’s first B2B since he returned from the broken toe.